Why Mixed Fighter Squadrons Are a Bad Idea
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2018
- Spacedock lays out some thoughts on mixed fighter squadrons.
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"What you've got here is a squadron that instead of being able to do one thing really well, can do everything abysmally." 🤣
So not so much jack of all trades but like 2, where 2s are not wild.
“Y-Wings are death traps” I laughed at this when I realized how many Y-Wing squadrons I’ve sacrificed in Empire at War
DO NOT BULLY Y-WING!!!
@@tieinterceptorsmg9727 Considering how Empire at War works, they probably took a Star Destroyer with them. But yes, they die. A lot.
*Y-Wimg pilot gets assigned to Skywalker's squadron*
Pilot: You realize it'd be easier to just shoot me right?
The BTL-S3 Y-wing gets an undeserved bad rep, really. It does a fair number of jobs well -- escort fighter, reconnaissance, hyperspace courier, light trans-atmospheric bomber. Their shields and durable construction will keep a novice pilot alive a lot longer than a Cloakshape, Z-95 or just about any TIE.
The problem comes when Y-wings are put into a fighting-hound space superiority role, especially when novice pilots are against ace TIEs, such as the Lord Darth Vader or Baron Fel's 181st Fighter Group. At which point we get the kernel of truth to the stereotype of Y-wings as sleepy Hutts made of nergon-14....
I made an entire fleet of Y wings with just some Corvettes for escort. Believe me, I got 3 ISDs down...
It's probably written like a D&D campaign in space; one fighter, one thief, one cleric, etc.
Oh god
I’m just imagining and... _my god_
@@Just_som_Ottur Something that bothered me about superhero stories also, is that there's only one of any version of combatant or set of role-specific abilities. If so-and-so fails and there isn't a second person with the same powers/training/karma/whatever the time is screwed. No military or policing team would allow itself to operate on that premise unless it were an oversight or hubris.
@@johnsteiner3417 Luckily with superhero teams, there's usually some overlap, or there's always a wildcard super on a team that can fill most roles.
Batman's on vacation? Just call up Green Arrow, Red Arrow, or any of the 50 other Bats. Need a multirole? Get... One of the other Bats?
Hulk isn't angry? Just get Thor. Need someone for any task? Get Ironman.
@@romulus2473 Some, but not much overlap. And, of course, when Superman's out suddenly disaster is that much more likely.
@@johnsteiner3417 I'll say it because someone has to.
Fuck Superman. He's made to be a Mary Sue and we all know it. The only saving grace is that in a lot of the more recent stuff, it's almost an in-universe joke that he's a Mary Sue.
"It's kind of like entering a Formula One race in a double-decker bus."
I LOLed.
Yes, you Laughed Out Loud-ed. The problem with acronyms.
Let’s give that double decker bus to the Mercedes F1 team
@@avi8aviate: It's only a problem for the insufferably pedantic. I'm a Grammar Nazi myself, but even I have my limits. Adding tense modifiers to acronyms and splitting infinitives are fine with me, because those are pragmatic exceptions to grammatical rules.
@@deusexaethera Ah.
To be fair, while you might not win an F1 race with a double-decker bus, a bit of careful maneuvering with it will ensure no one else does either
"Some sad single bomber bombing run" LMFAO just imagining that.
Kuri Inuki I lost it trying to picture that very thing.
I thought it was a Last Jedi joke
I once beat the defense of Mon Calamari mission in Rogue Squadron with a Y-wing just to see if I could. Yeah, I can imagine it.
Got shot down because no one was backing him up but he stayed on target.
I'm imagining the pilot having that "Forever Alone" meme face while he's doing his run.
"I want to make some extremely nerdy comments..."
Ummm... Isn't that why we subscribed in the first place?
Yepp
well somebody might have clicked by accident...
I didn't
*tch* frikkin' nerd. I came here for tactical reference. I flew with Biggs and the rest in Rogue Squadron, I should know.
Uh, no I subbed for alphabetti spaghetti comments
But yeah, the nerdy comments would be thought to be the norm for a channel like this
I know thats why I'm here.
“Jump to hyperspace! Now!”
“Uh, where, and, and how?”
“Mike wtf I told you not to use the goddamn A Wing
Don’t A-Wings have hyperdrives? Pretty sure that was established as canon
@@AdeptPaladin Yeah, but not very good ones.
@@AdeptPaladin Also, watch the video. No astromech on board the A-wing to do the FTL calculations.
@@kyleoates6367 That or do short range evasive jumps in known to be empty space where you are just jumping to a point farther ahead of a pursuer to get away. But yeah other than that they might as well not have one.
"Can I borrow your droid? Do you have any 300 baud wireless modem ports available?"
Pilot, “It’s like navigating an asteroid field.”
It’s slightly better than an asteroid field. Unless you’re in a Y-wing. Then it’s much worse.
Pilot, “I’m in a Y-wing.”
U-Wing - Dropship
Y-Wing-Deathtrap(occasional bomber)
X-Wing- Actually a fighter
A-Wing-Sonic the Hedgehog
B-Wing-That guy of the group
Team of misfits and a fighter ^^
We shall now refer to Y-Wings as classification: “Deathbomber” to make it sound more badass.
We need more recruits that want to fly in those things and is an inside joke everyone in the rebellion can understand.
It should me made a check for enemy spies: if you don't smile hearing "Deathbomer", you are not Rebel ^_^
B-wing is the guy in the group who gets shit done. Able to take out star-destroyers? He is “that guy”
Where are people getting the idea that the Y-Wing is a bad ship? Cus they got blown up in a new hope? Of course bombers, even small ones like the Y-Wing, are not gonna do well against a concentrated fighter attack.
Screw it, let's throw in an N-1 Star fighter and an ARC-170. Make things a real cluster fluff.
At least the ARC has a rear gunner unlike 99.9% when compared to other fighters in the series
+Tristan Hrabak The Y wing has one too, so does the U wing, or side gunner rather, II guess.
Put a reprogrammed vulture droid in there too!
N-1 is a sexy ship.
maybe toss in a _Miy'Til_ -Class Bomber from the Hapes Consortium for good measure: Less of a slow-moving Bomber and more of a heavily-armored, "Ludicrous Speed"-enabled, missile platform ship that makes the A-Wings' armor, firepower and speed in the Disney Canon even lamer by comparison, with only the TIE Interceptor being able to keep pace with it.
This is slightly different, but Legends Star Wars had a mixed-fighter technique called the "A-wing slash". Basically, you'd send in a flight of X-wings with another set of A-wings behind them, slowed down to the X-wings' speed. Thus, the whole group looks like X-wings to the enemy scanners. When the enemy gets close to the group, the X-wings split and the A-wings rush forwards, either striking the surprised enemy or rushing past them to hit a higher-priority target (like an Interdictor) while the X-wings strike the enemy fighters from both sides.
I wonder if something similar could be done with A-wings and Y-wings, using the Y-wings as seemingly un-escorted bait?
But those ships were from different squadrons or a 6/6 squadron, which in turn lets them operate as smaller units using the same ships.
This is an old ninja tactic to surprise an enemy (but only works if there is only one enemy, or a small group clumped together). One example is a ninja dressing up as a woman, in a big dress holding a fan. There would be ninja crouching behind him, keeping their profile smaller than that of the dress and fan. When they were close enough, those in back would rush forward and dispatch the guard(s) before they could sound the alarm. This woudln't work with a sentry tower or multiple guards spread out.
I could see this working on a single capital ship/starbase (depending on the sophistication of their sensors), but even a small flotilla should be able to pick up the extra engines, and tell there is a difference, and possibly what that difference is.
As for baiting a trap, I like where your head is at, but I'd personally go with a small group of corvettes or freighters (less suspicious imo). Having them in a tight formation so the unpowered A-Wings mag-clamped to the bellies can't be detected until the TIEs have committed to the fight. Probably work best against pirates, but a good commander could make it work against Imps. Have some bombers micro jump in once the A-Wings have launched? Force the Imps to abandon their fighters/transports, or risk losing a cap ship.
That is closer to having two squadrons working together than having a mixed squadron
Notice how right at the start their you explained why to works, theirs to groups, one group of x wings and one of a wings, also Daniel has talked about that in a video on the a wing
Or perhaps Y-wings and X-wings.
3:55 He says that Y Wing is going to die. They are death traps. I hear
"Y wings are to Star Wars as Red shirts are to Star Trek" Got it.
Y wings have shields tho
@@meeperdudeify Doesnt mean they still dont die alot, seriously the things a bit of a death trap since in the quote of luke "The things move like a sleepy hutt" and you can feel how bad this can be in the Rogue Squadron Mission "Raid On Sullust" since its so easy to get killed by all the missile turrets in that one unlike in an X Wing where you can actually fly and kill them before they lock on.
@@Duncecap64 y-wings still have electronic countermeasures to missile lock
Fun fact: the rebel alliance lost x wings and y wings at the same rate at the battle if yavin
Y-wings aren't bad ships, its just that technology has moved on they're obsolescing.
Y-wings were developed near the end of clone wars, where they were extremely effective as heavily armored bombers which could more or less ignore standard vulture droids, get their munitions off and return to base. They weren't the fastest at the time, but did their job well.
Decades later, the rebellion gets their hands on some, but since tech has moved on they're too slow and not well enough armored anymore to be fill their main role. As a result, they strip all the armor off and tune up the shields to let them a speed boost, but the maneuverability still isn't there. It's not like the alliance has the pick of the best gear, they have to make due with what they have, and Imo they did really well with the aging workhorses.
The rebel files showed Poe Dameron disliked it as well.
That dam u-wing
It's like having an A-6, a F-16, a F-15, a F-18 and a UH-60 all in one squadron. Hey diversity is their strength!
Haha! Yes exactly!
@@WordBearer86 UH-60? More like a V-22 trying to keep up with an F-16.
If he hated the idea why did he allow L'ulo use his A-Wing?
Also makes logistics a nightmare. Different fighters have different maintenance requirements and are made for different jobs. This is why real world fighter squadrons are all one fighter type.
Yup, you have to order a whole bunch of different parts and you have the possibility of getting too many parts for one fighter and not enough for another. It also means a lot more extra personnel to work on the different fighter types. You'll need a full compliment of maintainers for each ship type with little to no overlap, this means that if one ship type requires a lot more maintenance than the others, that crew is going to be working a lot more than the others, unless you decided to double the number of people assigned to the high maintenance ship(s) to ease their workload.
Trevyn Lane
Yep. That's why France decided to take the Rafale and get rid of fighters and bombers the Rafale can replace like the Mirage 2000N and the Super Etendard SEM
Hell it happens with entire airfleets. This is why both the Royal Navy and RAF are getting F35Bs even though on the surface splitting it between As and Bs on the surface makes more sense
@@Riceball01 In short, you need Five times the maintenance personnel and a far more reliable supply system in order to get 1/5th the usefulness of just having a squadron all of the same type. It's funny how Star Wars these days doesn't seem to take into account that their characters, you know, actually have a war to fight and this level of wastefulness is absolutely insane
To clarify, I was speaking on a squadron level. I do believe that a good air/space force has a mix of specialized strikecraft and a number of general strikecraft. For example: the Alliance to Restore the Republic uses Z-95s/X-Wings as general fighters, Y-Wings/B-Wings as torpedo bombers, and T-Wings/A-Wings as interceptors. The U-Wing is a gunship, not a fighter, and should not even to try to dogfight.
Though I don't think its ever been done like this is Star Wars, this setup could be intriguing: The U-wing has had its troop bay replaced with a small maintenance bay, carries stores, munitions, and fuel, and has been modified to act as an FTL carrier for the A-wing. The A-wing has been stripped of its FTL drive, which has been replaced with a bulked up shield generator. The Y-wing has been heavily modified, removing most of its weapons and replacing them with command, control, communication, and electronic warfare sensors, transmitters, and computers. The B and X wings remain relatively the same, though some weapons may change so they can share munitions. The whole group is a rag tag privateer organization specializing in convoy and VIP escort through low to medium threat environments. When on duty or attacked, the U and Y wings stay with the client, providing logistical, intelligence, and electronic warfare support. The A-wing is now durable and fast enough to act as a rabbit or decoy, ranging far from the client at high speed to distract, herd, and harass enemy ships. The X-wing (which will still be flown by the squad leader for drama sake when the commander should stay in the U or Y wing) and B-Wing are probably close enough in performance to form a useful flight element. They operate in tandem as a space superiority / anti-ship force responsible for dealing the majority of the damage while the A-wing provides occasional cover. Given its Star Wars, you could probably MacGuffin that together enough to tell some entertaining stories.
it'd basically be the "five man band" trope, with the ships acting as a manifestation of each member's role in said trope. It could definitely be interesting for sure
That actually sounds pretty cool.
...
(pitch the idea to Favreau)
X-wings and B-wings are very different performance-wise.
@@kazumablackwing4270 5 man band works well because there is still a similar skillset between the group. In Avatar they were all human and ran at roughly the same speed, could hide about as well as each other and took the same resources to survive (ignoring the fact that Aang didn't eat meat). So all the same ship model with different weapon layouts attached.
I like this sounds fun, play alot of eve? Lol
I love that you made this video, and it had me rolling.
Well, wait until you see my TIE Fighter-bomber-defender-interceptor squadron!
don't forget the TIE Striker and TIE Lander
considering that every time we see imperial fighter formations, were they are all mixed. i'm not sure they have squadrons.
considering the tarkin doctrine
Tristan Woolthuis seems like the Tarkin doctrine is just a blanket excuse for the empire to lose all the time.
@@Super_Tristan1005 Considering the main Empire strategy was similar to that of the CIS, that being throwing so many fighters at the enemy they would be overwhelmed I wouldn't be surprised if they lacked any kind of organization.
Why is there TIE tank in a starfighter squadron?
Alphabetti Spaghetti:
Ingredients-
1x U Noodle
1x Y Noodle
1x B Noodle
1x A Noodle
1x X Noodle
1000x Blue Milk
Xauby.
Well now that's just alphabet cereal with ask that milk lol
And a pinch of green milk in there ;D
Because of this comment I decided to cook noodles in milk as a science experiment.
It worked, but it took forever.
I now need to buy more milk.
I know, I’m a lunatic.
Do it 😉
Well though it was never stated and this is speculation on my part, Poe’s squadron having an A-wing could make strategic sense if it were used for a mop-up strategy. Have the X-wings engage the enemy, then have the A-wing outmaneuver the occupied enemy, taking them down, freeing up that group of X-wings to find new targets and the A-wing moves onto the next group. This strategy would be better if there were a couple more A-wings to cover each other, but what can you do.
Logistics is also a factor - by keeping to one type of fighter in a squadron, you simplify logistics as you will only require spares/armaments/fuel/ground crew for that particular fighter type, making supplying that squadron easier & reducing their down time. If you look at current air forces, they all fly single aircraft type squadrons for those very reasons.
yeah, that's one of the things the video covers, lol.
The flight simulator F-22 Lightning 3 has a custom mission maker, and the manual warns you not to make mixed squadrons "to prevent chaos."
because most people don't know how to properly mix squadrons.
Lancer737 yet they don't use them now and no one else uses them today so...
It's better to separate them into designated groups to accomplish given mission tasks. That way control can keep track of everything and know whose supposed to be doing what, if it's just off call sign it can get easy for a leader to get lost. If all you got left is A-Wings then it might be advisable to disengage from bombing a base.
@@lordfrostwind3151 depending on the situation.
If you have a small group of fighters and bombers putting then all under one command makes more sense.
If one of the support craft does something for the other planes it makes sense for them to be together. For instance if someone came out with a craft that could jam the sensors of the other guys, it would make sense to have one or two of them with every bomber squadron, but it would also make sense to have them under that squadron's command.
Or having the squadron's commander use an a wing if everyone else has X wings, since he can move to support his guys faster.
They will all be complaining about the a wing slowing down the squadrons hyperdrive jumps, while the a wing will be complaining about having to slow down for everyone else once they get there.
@@lancer737 yes but that just means all of the faster ships had to slow themselves down to arrive the same time as the slowest ships which is exactly what we're saying
in ROTJ they were launching a massive quarantined attack. Of note the first ships to pull out of hyperspace are the Falcon followed by a group of X-wings
It's weird how in books, shows, and movies, the y wing is a death trap, but in battle front 2, it's the most op ship you can use.
Even in the older X-Wing games, the Y-Wing feels so much more robust than a lore overview says it should be.
"just because you're unique, doesn't mean you're useful."
The reason for single type squadrons in real life (air forces etc) is because battle planners then know exactly the capabilities and strength of that squadron. Additionally, ground crew can specialise in that specific type and maintain them to a higher degree of efficiency. A formed mixed squadron just makes everything more difficult for everybody, no one being particularly good at any one thing....
I agree with that statement.
I think the only time I've seen a mixed squadron that seemed functional was in the BSG remake where the vipers had a single Raptor with them to perform a support role from waaaay outside the combat zone. (And for navigation purposes I guess, as vipers weren't designed for extended journeys so probably didn't have a navi-computer on board)
Then the cylons hacked the vipers and blew them all up in two seconds flat
TheDjbz The Raptor basically acted as AWACS in space.
But...but...diversity! Inclusion! We don't want any one fighter type to stand out or be left out. Better to make them all different so everyone gets a fair chance at glory....
Just kidding. This video nailed it.
138 and 160 squadron's raf in world war 2 disprove that moon squardron flew hudsons lysanders halifaxes sterlings all at the same time every thing from single twin and four engine
Think of the pain this squadron would cause to the maintenance crews and logistics officer.
No one thinks of the poor sods who have to fix and arm these things when they are on the ground
It's not imperial spies causing the shitty ships to blow up, it's fed up maintenance teams drawing straws on who doesn't have to service a crap pile next shift.
I work as a fueler at a major airport, and I feel sorry for the poor sod that has to fuel them. Every different model of aircraft, even by the same manufacturer (Boeing or Airbus), has different procedures when it comes to fueling.
Nah, this wont be much of an issue. There will be no maintainance and you'll only need to arm them one time. They aren't expected to make it back
"That Y-Wing pilot is gonna die." I actually believe the A-Wing pilot will die before him, cos he has to go just as slow and also happens to have the least durable ship. The Y-Wing is a tank compared to the A-Wing IMO.
The a wing has shields
But the A-Wing is smaller than a TIE Fighter and literally invisible. Ever played Star Wars Squadrons? A-Wings can be a pain. Little shields, little hitpoints, but landing a shot when they are around.
@@joshuapuckett7920 So does the Y-Wing, very bulky ones compared to the A.
Don't forget logistics and maintenance. A fighter squadron isn't just the pilots, but all the crew and support who keep it running. So the maintenance crew for a mixed squadron now has to have training for five types of starfighters and the quartermaster now has to keep stock of five times as many spare parts.
But what if all of them had Plot Armor?
TheRed Hawk true
“Sign this man up to be the executive innovator of the weapons and technology development division!”
“But sir, all he said was-“
“DONT QUESTION ME! I WANT TO SEE HIS IDEA OF THIS ‘PLOT ARMOR’ BECOME A REALITY!”
Isn't plot armor made of explodium?
Depends on the plottium-to-handwavium ratio in the alloy.
no, it's contrivium
The squadron in the Poe Dameron comics is like pork n' beans. You get a cohesive can of beans, but there's that one piece of pork in there that's so much better than the beans around it that the beans suffer because they aren't allowed to shine on their own, but the beans also bring down the pork because the pork doesn't get its own sauce, it's stuck in the beans' sauce. You don't put the pork in the beans. You keep the pork separate so the beans can shine without holding back the pork, and the pork is allowed to do its own thing.
I like my food to be mixed, thank you. I don't understand people who waste space on plates by putting sections on them and food isn't allowed to touch.
Damn... that made me hungry.
Now get me some bacon and brown beans or prepare to be eaten in it's stead ;)
The pork flavors the beans, the inclusion enhances the whole and turns a generally bland food into a meal. The A-Wing does the same for the squadron.
Pork Dameron and X-Bean Squadron.
Screw you. Bacon in beans is AMAZING.
Reminds me of that time I went on a bicycle trip with friends. I had basically a Dutch bicycle, with poorly tuned gears, while everyone else had one of those ubiquitous mountain/racing bicycles with mechanisms perfectly tuned and everything stripped down. They were going at a leisurely pace and had to slow down, while I had to go full throttle at breakneck speed, just to try to keep up.
Damn, now I want to see someone entering a formula one race in a double-decker bus.
*Alphabetty Spagetty*
Well made joke😂
😂🤣😂
lol make that canon
I read that in Rimmer's voice, from Red Dwarf.
So is this what British people have instead of Spaghetti-O's? Why do they get 25 more letters than us?!
It should be Aurebesh Squadron.
True
Alphabet is still a word, aurebesh is just the equivalent of *one* alphabet
The English alphabet is still a thing in Star Wars; it's called High Galactic Script
@@Skhmt I'm fairly certain it's the R41 Starchaser and not the R95.
Oops, was typing quickly and was thinking about Z-95s when I wrote R95. You're right I fix.
I always remember in babylon 5 John Sheridan said a fleet is as fast as its slowest ship. Always stuck with me whenever organising squadrons on any game
What's actually interesting is you talking about how the U-wing is the least maneuverable and slowest.
When you play the Scarif attack mission in the original battlefront, the points you make really do show ingame. But also, we're talking about the fact that if you are the player flying the U-Wing, you are labeled as the enemy objective to the other team and they all come after you anyway. XD
I'm glad you touched on the logistics of this. Military history is one of my main interests and the more you start to learn about military campaigns and how armies work etc the more you realize that what weapons a person has are often not that important. The organization, leadership, training, communications, and logistics are generally speaking much more important. There is a really good Tom Clancy book called Red Storm Rising where one of the main PoV characters is a Soviet general who is 2nd in command of a Soviet attack against NATO and at one point he berates himself in the heat of battle for thinking about the tactics of the situation. He says something like, "Pavel you idiot, the tactics don't matter. The Leine River Bridges are all that counts. Amateurs think of tactics and strategy and professionals handle the logistics." There is another similar thing that I really like from the movie The Battle of the Bulge. That movie gets panned pretty hard for not being historical, which is fine. The film makers said they were more aiming at the essence of the thing rather than the details. A big plot point of that movie is that the German commander only has enough fuel for 50 hours of full operational tempo, so in 50 hours or less he needs to capture a huge American fuel depot to keep up his attack. At one point, the attack is going well but too slowly and resistance is increasing. The German commander has one of his officers in his HQ with him. He pulls out a flat, black disc and asks if the officer knows what it is. The subordinate officer looks at the label and tells the General that it appears to be a chocolate cake. The German commander basically says, "Yes. This is a chocolate cake. The Americans shipped it to Europe for their troops as a holiday treat. This cake was made in Boston and the Americans have so much logistical power that they can supply nearly the entire Allied effort and still have left over capacity to ship holiday chocolate cakes from Boston to Bastogne and here I am relying on stolen fuel to continue this attack. We're screwed."
@@lancer737 yeah a special use squadron in special use roles.
@@lancer737 Yes. Great. I'm aware that the military uses different things for different purposes. I don't need examples of every time a non-homgeneous unit composition has been used to good effect. It's a complex subject.
Mixed fighter squadrons are also rarely employed. Very rarely. For a reason.
@Captain_Dorja You know if you said that the sky is blue there's going to be someone pipping in with; "Well no it can be different colors on occasion!"
Did nobody see Y-Wings running down and killing TIE Interceptors in ROTJ? TIE models are more the flying coffin than Y-Wings, barring the models which only ever appear in games.
the problem is that legends basically decided the Y-wing was slow as shit even though the movies do not really show it as that.
IIRC there was a reference chart used on the New Hope movie set with a speed comparison of the ships and the Y-wing was actually almost as fast as the X-wing, while the TIE Fighter was a bit faster than both. This actually fits a lot more with what we see on screen.
I love Y-wings I like there are other people trying to redeem their reputation
Speed wise the Y-wing is good, it's just the maneuverability that kills it. It turns much slower than a TIE (or an X-wing), which means that if you've got someone on your tail, you're 100% reliant on others to protect you. You'll never win a dogfight in a Y-wing and given the empire's philosophy is to outnumber you, it's almost always a terrible idea to fly a ship that can't win dogfights. The TIE fighter is almost completely built as a hard counter to the Y-wing, it's really the perfect ship type you'd want against it.
Really, the Y-wing wasn't the right ship for the rebels - having a ship on your tail wouldn't matter if that ship was unshielded and you had a gunner - but we all know (from the trench run) that Rebel Y-wings couldn't really fire their turrets at all.
Spacedock: bullies Y-wing
tie interceptor SMG9: So, you've chosen death...
When did Star Wars squadrons start limiting themselves to 5 ships? Alphabet squadron, Poe's squadron, that EA Squadrons game. There's supposed to be 12 ships in a squadron.
The Army and Air Force (originally the Army Air Corps) used to organize their fighter squadrons in groups of 24 craft. When the naval aircraft carrier was developed the number of planes needed were essentially limited by the number of carriers, but there was also a need to have planes of different types more suited for specific roles, namely air-intercept fighters and heavier torpedo bombers. The Navy and Marine Corp would organize their squadrons into groups of 12 craft in order to more easily redeploy units between carriers and naval air bases. Most Sci-Fiction series set in space make parallels between the organization of a historical seafaring naval fleet and that of a futuristic space fleet, so a squadron of starfighters would typically be organized into groups of 12 craft.
Technically, a group of 5 craft would be considered a "Flight" not a "Squadron" and made up of 2 "Elements" with one element consisting of 2 craft and the other element consisting of the remaining 3 craft.
Still, the term "squadron" could be applied to groups of less (or more) than 12 craft depending on the type of craft and the situation. During wartime aircraft losses can operationally create under-strength squadrons (less than 12 craft) and over-strength squadrons (more than 12 craft, but usually less than 18) until replacement craft and pilots can be reassigned to the command. Years ago on my carrier we had a "Squadron" of 8 Lockheed S-3 Vikings and a squadron of A-6 Intruders, though 2 of the 12 were fueling and EW variants, so it was kind of a 10-plane "bomber squadron" rather than an actual full (12-plane) bomber squadron. We also had 2 full squadrons (12 fighters each) of F-18 Hornets and a full squadron of 12 F-14 Tomcats.
@@PGIFilms tl;dr please
@@bullettime8760 Carlsiouxfalls didn't understand why the new Star Wars spin-offs are calling a group of 5 ships a "Squadron" when the common understanding of a squadron consists of 12 craft. I was explaining that the number of craft in a real US military squadron is not always 12 and depends on the branch of service and craft type. I gave examples of some of the squadrons on my carrier from my time in the Navy. A group of 5 craft would actually be referred to as a "Flight" in the US military. So, the Star Wars spin-off discussed in the video should actually be called Alphabet Flight, not Alphabet Squadron.
Perhaps the squadron is haphazard for a reason? But hey this is a very nerdy video. And I approve thoroughly.
@@lancer737 Those aren't mixed squadrons there from different squadrons just on the same mission with different roles in said mission. Are you talking about F14's
They might all be piloted by top aces.
The F-14 and F/A-18 aren't too different. Both served exactly the same fleet defense role, and both are pretty similar in a dogfight.
I was just going to say this. Maybe they are all that is left of their respective squadrons, and possibly lost or cut off from the fleet or something.
Yeah, they're almost certainly a spec ops team cobbled together from surviving pilots and craft.
when I clicked this video I thought you were making fun of mixed squadrons in star wars but I'm shocked somebody made a book called alphabet squadron
same
It's not made yet, it's only just been announced, which means the Title could change
@@tTaseric I hope so
It'd be more interesting if these 5 ships were forced to work together to survive due to out of control circumstances. It's more entertaining than having it be an official squadron.
This is my favorite video of yours to date. Hearing someone talk about to practical aspects of fictional situations and vehicles is something I enjoy to no end.
It's something you see in Eve Online is specific doctrines that are based around one type of ship to do one thing (Kiting, Brawling, Hit & Run etc). Of course a fleet will have ancillary support vessels but the bulk will be the same vessel with the same fittings. Even the drones deployed by ships tend to be the same for maximum effectiveness.
kan i bringde drake?
*looks at everyone else who is using gallente and amarr ships*
Why are mixed Fighter Squadrons a bad idea?
*Because you end up with names like Alphabet Squadron*
That's why he said alphabetty spaghetti
they can be viable but to get them into this spot you realy have to plan around it tacticaly. if you have a squad made from heavier fighters an lighter fighters then you should use more maneuverable crafts for the heavy part. but with star wars its a guaranteed fest of failures to mix more than different TIE variants.
Yep but realistically cite the USAF you cant really have fighter commander understand bomber tactics especially strategic bombers like B52 Stratofortesses. That's why in the Cold War you had TAC and SAC TAC or Tactical Air Command specialized in fighter operations who's mission was to establish air dominance and then you SAC or Strategic Air Command who specialized in Strategic Bombers B1, B2, B52 and air mobility squadrons like C5, C17 cargo aircraft etc.
Now days you joint theater commanders but commanders on that level which are Generals or Colonel 06 need to go to year long school before being assigned so that they understand bomber missions and air mobility squadrons missions as well as drones.
@@Irobert1115HD not really brother check out my posts in this comment thread should give some insight
ok lets say you got 3 bf109 and 3 do335 planes. this should be a case when it works (the do335 was a bomber but had armaments more like the bf109 and was actualy faster than the bf109 and in the same area when it comes to maneuvrability. like i said you realy have to match the crafts. if you got planes that have similiar stats but can take different amounts of damage then why not but if the squadron is made like the alphabeti one than good night).
Space: Above and Beyond is a series about fighter pilots. The pilots are still doing ground combat, but technically, it is about fighter pilots.
Loving these episodes as flavour to the regular episodes. Cheers.
He just did a 6 minute video on the F35 lightning. "Instead of being able to do one thing well, can do everything abysmally"
Knees weak, Alphabetti
Mixed Squadron, Mom's Spaghetti
Gold.
DovahSpy always angry? All the time?
Alphabet squadron may very well be the dumbest name for anything ever.
Hey which letter should we name this squadron?
**All of them**
Uhh ok alphabet it is
Sam dale well, there was "Dinner Squadron"
ya i agree alphabet squadron does sound way cooler then red/blue/gold squadron
Aaron Murphy I wonder what's for dinner...
Agreed. Maybe they could've incorporated the letters into an acronym/name
Space: Above and Beyond is entirely about space fighter pilots
2:06 and that's basically how it works. This is a group gathered by one Intelligence agent, who needed anyone to fly,and he found five diffrent pilots with five diffrent fighters.
Hehehe I want a US alphabet squadron
An F-22, B-2, F-117, F-35, and AC-130
Thats bassically the equivalent,no?
Edit
Final version of alphabet squadron
F-22=X-wing
F-35=A-wing
V-22=U-wing
B-1=B-wing
A-10=Y-wing
@@lancer737 alright re revised
F-22=X-wing
F-35=A-wing
AC-130=U-wing
B-1=B-wing
A-10=Y-wing
An an Apache attack helicopter to highlight how insane the concept is! 😀
The U wing is less an AC-130, and more of a UH-1. Largely because AC-130s have a dedicated purpose, and that purpose is Close Air Support (CAS).
The U Wing is lightly armed, and predominantly a transport, with door guns and a pair of forward mounted lasers. Not unlike a UH-1 Huey with door guns, and rocket pods. While a Huey can provide limited CAS, it's not it's primary function.
@@Xephisto I just laughed imagining like a huey trying to keep up with an F-22
mmmm ill say its more like this
X wing = F22
U wing = V22 or Ch53E or the super hind
A wing = Su35/Mig31
Y wing = A10/Su25
B wing = F16/Mig35/JAS39
I quite loved the X-Wing series of books.
Definitely -- Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron books by Michael Stackpole and Aaron Allston were great.
Some of my favourites, ever. Sad Allston is gone, and Stackpole didn't come back. Would have liked to see that untold story about how Baron Fel went AWOL to join Thrawn...
Yea, back when some of the SW books were good
Those Yuzhan Vong books ended SW Books for me. they weren't good to begin with but then they killed main characters in an out of character (extremely stupid) way. And when they killed of one of the new main figures literally because they thought the readers couldn't tell Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker apart, they did it even "of screen".
Timothy Zahn is actually doing a good job. He wrote a couple of the X-Wing books, and created Grand Admiral Thrawn. I enjoyed the new Thrawn books he's put out. The rest of Disney's Star Wars authors haven't done so well.
Listening to your commentary was quite hilarious, thank you.
I learn something from you every day. Spacedock is the best.
The mixed squadron thing could be made to work. They'd need a few things though: (1) Squadrons in Star Wars are typically made of 12 pilots, so the makeup would have to double, i.e: 2 A-Wings; 2 B-Wings; 2 Y-Wings; 2 U-Wings; and 4 X-Wings. Everybody has a matched wingmate, so they only have to depend on their wingmate during combat. (2) Make it some kind of covert operations squadron like Wraith Squadron, where they don't do front line combat, but instead perform specialized missions; The A-Wings for pursuit and softening up of fast targets, U-Wings deliver troops, B-Wings and Y-Wings soften up bigger targets, X-Wings handle TIE Fighters and escort of the rest of the squadron. An example would be the capture of a small Imperial frigate. The A-Wings zoom in and use their speed and maneuverablility to slow it down. The Y-Wings and B-Wings use ion cannons to bring down the shields and disable it. Then U-Wings deliver troops to board and capture it. Meanwhile the 4 X-Wings are dealing with any TIEs it tried to launch. As for any light speed needs; base them on a modified cargo ship that transports them where they need to go, plus can act as a tug in case the Y- and B- Wings got too carried away in disabling the frigate. And I kinda like the "Aurabesh Squadron" suggestion.
Agreed, posted a similar comment! I think there's a way to do this imagining matched units, smaller than squadron sized, working together. Your "squadron" is really just a miniature air-wing - but it lets you have a team with extraordinarily diverse mission profiles crammed into a smaller, portable, independent unit!
The problem with that is you wind up with a very weak squadron that can't do things nearly as well as squadrons with just 1 type of craft. It severly limits what missions they can do, this kind of mixed composition would only be good for small covert missions like ones where you need to insert a small number of commandoes or something like that. They'd be useless for regular combat missions for all of the reasons stated in the video.
The Crimson Empire comic had a mixed unit of E-Wings and B-Wings for Rogue Squadron, one time.
lancer737 If jamming is necessary they can always detach some A-Wings from the A-Wing squadron and attach them to the X-Wing squadron for the mission. This is what the modern military does, if a mission requires specialized aircraft they are detached from their squadron and attached to the main squadron and then return to their parent squadron when done. Or, more commonly, they are simply assigned to the mission as needed in the numbers as needed. This allows for greater flexibility in being able to assign specialized aircraft to where ever needed and not have them tied up to squadrons that might not need them. By assigning these extra types of craft means that if the squadron goes on a mission like a CAP mission, then your Y & U wings are useless and A-Wings only marginally useful and now your squadron is undersized. Of if you need to intercept incoming enemy craft, well you can forget the U & Y wings and the X-Wings will lag behind meaning that the A-Wing is out there by itself trying to intercept who knows how many TIEs because none of it's squadron mates can keep up.
I think that some of you guys are working on the wrong scale. This kind of mixed group only makes sense for small ops against somewhat isolated groups, so that's likely what the group does. You might send them against an isolated relay station, or to harass or destroy an Arquitens, but you'd never send this group to attack an Imp-star, regardless of variant.
As for single-type squadrons, it's a nice sentiment, but the Rebellion wasn't always _able_ to achieve those professional levels of acquisitions. If you need three times as many of a particular ship as you have, then something's going to have to make way, and sometimes ghat means that you imitate a battlegroup within a squadron.
A mixed squadron if it wasn’t protected by the power of plot wouldn’t survive a book
But otherwise sounds like an interesting concept
That's pretty much why they did it. An interesting concept but it's so difficult to implement that it may very well should not be done.
Looking forward to reading it
The Battlezone music hits me in the nostalgia so hard every time i watch one of your videos.
Keep up the great work! I love it!
If only the Rebels had some Droid Tri Fighters. Badass. Wish they had more CIS stuff in general.
Frothy Walrus stealing this idea.
Gabriele Princiotta Dewitt
That would be epic. I want them to have recusant ships too
Cold Flame Yes!!! That is my favorite Star Wars ship. Low crew which is perfect for Rebels. Been trying to get Eckharts Ladder to feature it in a Starship Versus vid.!
Frothy Walrus alright, buddy. Feels will be our key word here.
This might be the first Space Dock where I laughed openly. Good job.
Ive watched this video countless times but I still crack up at every line. Love your work, Thanks for all the SW content!
Love this video! So great.
For the same reason why all big units supposed to move around in the battlefield are made up of very similar units with similar speed, specialization and all other characteristics.
you mean all SMALL units, the big units are made up of lots of different types of troops.
Thats frebch tactics 101? Fast armor attacks on the flanks and slower Infanterie to hold the cut of enemy engagwdg till the airforce destroys their cohesoon
I thought French tactics were to drop the rifle first, then raise your hands into the air.
@@robertshort9487 I said big units supposed to move on the battlefield, not the strategic ones.
@@nox5555 That's the tactic adopted by anyone and their mother this days.
Alphabet Squadron?
More like Suicidal Squadron
They honestly should add a Z-wing to the mix.. and a V-wing, and a C- oh wait that's not a thing...
Edit: just realized there's an actual T-wing
Don't forget the K-Wing to keep the B- and Y- Wings company in the back.
And an actual V-wing too!!
I like E-Wings too! :D
Fuck it Q-Wing
Did you ever end up reading it?
If so, what were your opinions on it?
Do you think the book properly addressed your concerns about a mixed fighter squadron?
"...in case they ever want to perform a sort of Sad, single bomber, bombing run.."
Could not stop laughing at that. XD
If I were an admiral with a collection of very small carriers able to carry only a single squadron each, this is it: you get the flexibility to preform any mission, but not a lot of it (as you only have one ship for each role on every carrier), but if I were a wing commander, this would seem like a terrible idea. Tactics (and uniform compliment) win engagements, but it´s always logistics that win or lose wars. Just my two cents.
Love this short video format though.
I find the 'Y-Wings are slow moving target practice for enemy fighters' meme came about as a result of legends - in the movies we see Y wings maintain similar speed and maneuverability with X wings. They may not be up to the standard of the Rebels latest space-superiority fighters but theyre still viable in a dogfight.
They would have a bigger turning radius because they are heavier and a much more sluggish acceleration. Though their roll would actually be superior because they have far more mass closer to center.
Also in lore their heavy armor, shields and the fact that their cannons can obliterate any fighter in one shot makes them no joke especially against the somewhat lightly armed TIE fighter.
Also the quote is subjective as well. I think most pilots would prefer shooting at targets rather than getting shot at even if they can take it. A Y-wing though would mean being more cautious since you can't take too much fire and if you get trapped you can't so easily just blast out of it. In addition to that while the armor and shields help in dogfights big AA guns will go right through. The heavy armor and shields might make a pilot complacent and if a Y-wing get's trapped by several fighters or flies into a killzone of several AA batteries it will get obliterated just as easily as an A-wing would.
@@MrMarinus18 All fair points. My gripe is more how in Legends the Y-wing is depicted as this lumbering sluggish craft when really it's more of a fighter-bomber or strike fighter that could conceivably fend for itself in a dogfight despite being primarily used for attacking capital ships/orbital installations/in-atmo ground targets
@@Mikey-xz4vn The fighter-bomber narrative makes sense given that the Alliance uses their fighters for hit-and-fade missions with the B-Wing being less likely to engage in said missions due to its hyperdrive being twice as slow as the X, Y, A, and U-Wing (all of those have a class 1 compared to the B’s class 2). The B-Wing should be the dedicated torpedo bomber, the one starfighter needed which provided additional firepower that the hit-and-fade runs couldn’t muster.
Now we need a sequel to this video to hear how everything measured up.
I love these little videos from Daniel explaining how things that many of us probably take for granted are actually flawed ideas on so many levels. The flaw of mixed fighter squadrons is so obvious and I never thought of it before.
Spacedock: Nooo you can't have mixed fighter squadrons!
Star Wars Squadrons: haha alphabet squadron go brrrrr
I love this book and how it handles both the name of the squadron and why it is so horrendously organised
"Entering a Formula 1 race with a double decker bus". I love that analogy :P
I say you definitely got the comedic effect across, this video was hilarious.
What if the A-Wing in Black Squadron has a specific purpose like covering the flanks and rear of the rest of the group. It's speed and maneuverability would allow it to move between covering different X-Wings much faster than another ship.
Or, Poe’s squadron having an A-wing could make strategic sense if it were used for a mop-up strategy. Have the X-wings engage the enemy, then have the A-wing outmaneuver the occupied enemy, taking them down, freeing up that group of X-wings to find new targets and the A-wing moves onto the next group. While its guns aren’t as powerful, it can still rush up an enemy’s ass if said enemy is focused on engaging the X-wing in front of it. This strategy would be better if there were a couple more A-wings to cover each other, but what can you do.
Would you be willing to cover my favorite starfighter, the Arwing from Star Fox? It seems to be an interceptor but it has (depending on the game) 2 plasma cannons, a nose mounted charge-laser, shields, space and atmospheric flight capabilities, bombs, and even a tractor beam. Idk, i feel it could make a good episode.
Brilliantly put.
excellent and great points raised.
I fully agree with this. If you have the resources necessary you should *never* have mixed squadrons. If you have a big carrier mixed wings are better. If you don't have a big carrier you have multi-purpose fighters instead to maintain some degree of flexibility.
I don't even want to think about the tactical micromanaging and inconvenience of having a bomber, a heavy bomber, a multi-purpose fighter, an interceptor and a dropship in a single unit. Besides, 5 fighters isn't even a full squadron. It's not even half a squadron.
@@lancer737 Are you fucking joking? Nothing in that "squadron" could ever match the acceleration of the RZ-1! The RZ-1 has 5100 G compared to 3700 G for the T-65 and 2700 G for the BTL-A4.
The BTL-A4 is not a good dogfighter, that's why it has shields and a turret to compensate. The B-wing isn't the most maneuverable thing in the world either and it's massive, which is why the Imperial Navy developed the strategy of firing unguided missiles into their flightpath to counter them. And then there is the U-wing... Why is there a dropship in a fighter squadron?!
there are lots of reasons to mix squadrons.
Hence why they are relatively common IRL.
@@robertshort9487 But this isn't real world, this is space warfare. If you have 12 BTL-A4s and 12 RZ-1s you put the in two individual squadrons. You can always rearrange the formations depending on mission profile when needed but you still form them into two non-mixed squadrons. If you don't, you'll end up with two squadrons commanders having to account for unnecessary variables which increases the risk of mistakes, not to mention that you as a commander have to keep this in mind. This might not sound too bad with only two squadrons but try it with the full wing of an ISD. Or perhaps the 144 starfighters of a Secutor-class. Perhaps you'd like to try it with the 420 fighters of a Venator-class.
@@jonashemmingsson7301 you have to pick what type of squadron you are going to have.
for example, if you are going to have a fighter squadron then having mostly X wings and then the commander/s in A wings makes perfect sense. the x wings engage then the A wings jump into the fight wherever an X wing pair is in trouble.
since the A wing is so much faster than the X wing it can respond much faster than if the commander was in an X wing.
the problem you have is you are saying an even split, which won't work. You have to have a main type then support type or types, and the support types must be at least as fast and mobile as the main type.
@@lancer737 : What's your source? Everything I'm seeing places the Y-wing, B-wing, and ARC-170 at similar speeds, and the TIEs, X-wings and A-wings significantly faster. I have not seen even one source claiming that any Y-wing variant was meaningfully faster than any others.
Mixed Fighter Squadron works great in Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures game, which is a good space dogfight simulation. It has a a such thing as a player, which rules the whole squadron without any stress of piloting a ship, avoiding enemy fire and firing own weapons, but still pretty good.
That X-Wing squadron with a single A-Wing can keep A-Wing in formation, and after the first engagement, A-Wing becomes a nimble guy, who apperas here and there, while other slower fighters keep formation. Or it becomes a hit-and-run flanker. The U-Wing might be an ECM-ship, which stays behind, trying to stay alive, jamming enemy sensors. Y-Wing might be a mine deploying ship for ambushes, also, it has a turret, which doesn't require to keep enemy in front arc. Just some thoughts about mixed squads, and how they can make sense
This is true, but the game is different from real-life since the fighter combat in Star Wars was based on the dog-fights of WWII. If your nimble, fast fighter is isloated from his buddies he has no one to cover for him, that is why fighters typically fly in formations with a minimum of two to cover for each other. Its even true in the game where its best to have your ships covering each other to try and deter your opponent from using reckless maneuvers to get the drop on your ships.
Didney locked the cannon in canon apparently. Even without a gunner I always thought it was a good weapon to straff larger vessels with. Get right up against the hull, present your flank and just hold down the trigger as you fly the length of the ship. A flight of Y-Wings doing this say down the "trench" of and ISD would be able to do some serious harassment.
Unless the enemy has a TIE phantom. Then its OP.
Right, but the game has a single person that can see the entire battlefield better than anyone could if they were a pilot or flight control AND that player can take their time in forming tactics rather than the split second a real dogfight would need.
Please make more of these comedic videos 😂😂😂 haven’t laughed this hard in a while.
I love this show. This train of thought is hysterical.
Ace Combat says hi and completely disregards everything you've just said.
That is a video game, in which logistics, energy, acceleration, stall speed, turning radius, et al, are irrelevent next to the power of plot. In AC5, you can launch whatever fighter you want from a carrier, even if it isn't a carrier aircraft.
Jason Mimiaga Star Wars doesn’t have a history of taking those things into account either.
@@cloudftw113
No, but Star Wars has never claimed to be anything but science fantasy, whereas Ace Combat has always favored realism.
"favored realism"
>the player goes in with hundreds of missiles and can take plenty of hits unless playing on the highest difficulty
yea no. even AC players will tell you AC is as an arcade flight shooter and nowhere near a simulator. the only basis of reality AC has is real-world planes.
Jason Mimiaga
>Ace Combat has always favored realism
Me: Laughs in Megalith and Excalibur
"Slower ship"
What is delta velocity, anyways.
Different training is the biggest factor. Ask the veterans of the AVG with P40s about when the teamed up with the British with Brewster Buffalo's at Rangoon. The AVG was trained to use boom & zoom tactics where the British were not and the AVG had few losses compared to the British who were not. Both planes performed extremely well in the B & Z role.
Maybe instead of one story about a squadron of mixed fighters, it will be a collection of short stories that are each focused on pilots of the different fighters? I think it might be cool to see the different individual perspectives of the pilots and how they operate their ships.
What I heard: Mixed squadrons is a bad idea but I'm sure the writers will have good plot armour.
The only way how this squadron could be both aptly named regarding your comments and according to its title is if all of its pilots were trained for, at the very minimum, five fighter craft but only flew one type per mission. Personally saying that would be an awful lot like the original Rogue Squadron game where they fly a different ship in accordance of each of the missions’ parameters.
I actually love flying mixed squadrons in Xwing tmg. You have to pick a shared speed and banking maneuver for the initial formation but once you get in range everyone breaks off and does their own thing. The fighters and gunships knife fight while the Awing zips back and forth jousting and turreted ships fly in circles taking potshots. It can create a sense of chaos for your enemy making it hard to predict your movements. You just have to consider every ship individually in relation to the larger battle. If a Turreted ship gets chased the fighter or interceptor can get free shots up the back of the chaser. If a fighter gets out maneuvered the turreted ship can apply pressure or the a-wing can boost in and lend a hand.
It's also a lot of fun.
“Entering a formula one race with a double decker bus.” Well now I understand his logic 😂
Devil's advocate!
What if you had a squadron composed of sub-units. 10-12 total fighters and 4 are X-wings, 3 are B-wings, 3 are A-wings and 2 are EITHER U-Wings or Y-Wings or B-wings depending on mission profile
Thinking in the context Wraith squadron, Kyp's Dozen, SW Rebels and the idea of small independent teams capable of multi-role actions.
You could have a squadron like this behave LIKE a larger normal air wing composed of full squadrons - but be able to operate independent of the main fleet and towards specific objectives and missions. Don't think of it as a smattering of random vehicles, think of it as a miniaturized fleet fighter wing
You could imagine interesting tactics that have the X-wings provide cover/draw fire for specific maneuvers that suddenly bring enemy fighters into a barrage of B-wing fire. OR that a unit of a-wings could perform advanced reconnaissance for specific target data ahead of your heavier units coming in.
I completely agree that halfheartedly or ham-fistedly assembling a hodgepodge of units is a stupid approach. And certainly even THIS approach requires advanced training and coordination and a logistical headache for support units.
BUT...
isn't it very much in the spirit of Wraith Squadron and the Ghost (SW Rebels) team and the idea of these simi-autonomous multi-mission teams the Rebellion was so fond of?
Thing is, you likely could have a mixed unit squadron and have single unit wings, since IRL anyway, a squadron is composed of multiple wings and operate it as a special mixed unit strike force.
So in short, Y-wings are like WWII bombers.
WW2 light or medium bombers, yes.
Probably not awful for CAS operation
They're the Jugs of Star Wars; *can* they fight? Yes, absolutely, but they're not dogfighters or turnfighters. They're heavy, slow at altitude, but Jugs at least used their weight and profile for unparalleled top speeds, allowing Boom n' Zoom attack profiles. Y-Wings, being in space, don't have that, and so are relegated to the Jug's other purpose, which was Close Air Support. But the thing with that is, they only did CAS work after air superiority had been established. There isn't a space battle in Star Wars where that rings true (because that wouldn't really be interesting storytelling).
I have never laughed so much at one of your vids. Very well done sir.
I love the he admits the whole thing is for comedic affect at the end
I think you forget to mention problem with spare parts as part of logistic problems of such squadron i don't Think that u-wing Got aby comon party with a wing
Baked beans
Ditto, with a dash of chilli sauce
It's not just ordnance that would be a logistical nightmare, the amount of tools and parts you'd have to assemble just for basic maintenance would be ridiculous, let alone repairing any major battle damage. If it's anything like the situation with our tech personnel would be a huge issue as well, most aircraft maintenance techs don't just work on any old plane, but rather a specific type as they each(type) have specific requirements, possibly less true for avionics techs, but airframes and powerplants would need a different set of techs for each type of bird.
Mixed units might possibly make sense for a specific short term mission, but as an organizational tool they make no sense whatsoever.
The Star Wars X-Wing series of novels remains one of my favorite series of books to this day (up until Solo Command, the ones after that are...weird).
An Ewok that can pilot, practical jokes from veterans like Wedge and Janson on Newbies, and a whole massive Stealth/Commando mission where they pretend to be part of an Empire Admiral's battlegroup in order to track down an Imperial Warlord's supply infrastructure. The novelization of Conquering/Liberating Coruscant, the beginnings of a huge poison-pill plot plague that actually made losing Coruscant a short-term WIN For the Empire...
Good stuff. Highly recommend.