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This pistol is a fake Colt 1911 copy made by an unknown maker (possibly Filipino) sometime after WW2. The pistol I use as a comparison is a WW2 Remington Rand M1911A1.
Many comments here already said it's called a 'paltik', usually made in Danao, Cebu, Philippines, so I'll just add a fun fact.
1.) The term 'paltik' has been integrated into everyday speech as a common word in the different languages in the Visayas region, where Danao is easily accessible, as being "poorly made", this pertains from the fact that paltik guns have little to no quality control and the reliability vary from gunsmith to gunsmith and the type of steel used.
2.) During WW2, Danao residents started making guns for the local resistance forces against the Japanese when the Americans withdrew from the Philippines to Indonesia, and the Philippine soldiers and local militia had hold their own and needed a supply of weapons and ammo.
The problem is that there has been a lack of will to fully industrialize the Philippines and remains an dominantly agricultural country, with the lack of industrialization, highly skilled smiths like the gun makers in Danao continue to have their skills under-utilized and have to resort to just continuing their backyard business to be able to feed their family.
I shot one during a visit to Mindanao in ‘98. Worked great, looked great! Good write up, btw
I work with Philippinos in Manila. My company has an office with 100 engineers. They are extremely reliable, detail oriented engineers. You ask for something, they take every word in your email practically, and they do exactly what you said, word for word.
I have met a few, and they are all great people with deep Catholic faith. Honorable people.
Yaw mog cge saba dha brod.
Sometime during the 1980s, These underground Filipino gunmakers were at one time recruited by the Japanese Mafia, The Yakuza, and brought to Japan to make guns for their use.
The move solved the Yakuza's problem of smuggling the guns out from the Philippines and bringing them in to Japan.
Also, these Filipino made guns in Japan greatly improved due to modern machineries provided by the Yakuza for gunmaking.
@@DoyleHargraves I spent a couple of weeks in Subic Bay while in the Navy. Pretty country and nice people.
i don't care what anyone says, one was made in a factory lathe and milling machine, the other made in a grass hut with a vise and metal file. damn fine workmanship for a grass hut.
riphaven
Ass hut
Hell yeah, I just started video & read this because it was the TOP comment with the most votes....I was reading it thinking you were going to bash the clone & thinking "Shyt, with a metal file? WOW! Reminds me of when NCStar (Cheap china scopes) made the fake acogs, got sued & LOST ..... meaning, they weren't producing $125 acog knock offs.....they were producing $125 acogs.
riphaven All of my Paltik pistol have either Colt or S&W markings. Only one of them sacred me, the rest all function 100% of the time. Can’t get them out of the PI, but that is okay since I like it that way.
Someone doesn't understand forging. Might have some more hand work, but these took some heavy equipment and machine tools.
Go to Peshawar & ask around. They can build anything that your evil little heart desires that goes bang.
sad thing is if the same guys were in the states hand building 1911s under a well marketed name with proven metals people would be paying 5 grand for them
I have a real 1911 with the loop at bottom
Anyone else notice the copy appears to have a lower ejection port as per modern boutique models ... he made no mention of it tho... would have been good had he shown interchanging parts If was or not possible ?
Anyone who pays 5 grand for an 1911, ... has more money than brains
@@blades2255 You can buy a nice one for $1000-$1200. Anything more than that is just waste.
More like 200 grand.
We call that as a Class "B" 1911 made in Danao City , Cebu, Philippines just about 1980's, as the earlier homemade 1911 were shoddily made, but the Class "A" type now are almost perfect copies that you can interchange parts with a real 1911. BTW, 2 known gun manufacturers, I won't specify who, did something amusing that about a large group of the local homemade gunsmiths were employed in their factories as they have been making these illegal copies all their lives, nothing beats experienced gunsmiths.
Serialized?????
Im filipino and i used to have one of those. Its not made after ww2, its more recent than that (maybe starting from the 80s?). Only thugs, poor people and communist rebels here use those 1911s. Part of our colonial mentality gun culture here is to buy norinco or RIA and have it Colt or para odnance marks etched on them
LOL, interesting. So the Communists prefer the home-made 1911s rebranded as a capitalist Colt, but not the actual Communist-made Norinco?
I had a Norinco once way back in the mid-2000s. It was a spontaneous purchase that I came to deeply regret. In my defense I was still new to firearms at the time. It was a horrible garage-built monstrosity that was just awful in every way. I paid way too much for it, and sold it at a massive loss. Lesson learned.....now I stick to either American-made 1911s, or Turkish-made 1911s. I'm contemplating my first one now in fact....either a limited-edition Colt, a mil-spec Colt, or a TISAS 1911 Government model. $1,400, $900, and about $340 respectively.
@@Vladpryde heres another interesting fact about our country and those guns. the caliber .45 was invented to kill moro insurgents in the philippine-american war, because the .38 cannot stop juramentado berserkers. fast forward to today, moro separatist rebels love the .45 1911 and dislike the 9mms sidearms
@@Vladprydethe price difference between the norinco and the "paltik" guns are substantial. The cheapest you can buy are the homemade revolvers that cost around $30-50. Also, RIA, norinco, metroarms are only sold on gun stores where you need to have a license so it is harder to obtain and easier to track esp. if you will use it illegally.
absolutely incredible skill gone in to this replica..and hand made in a hut..WOW
Theres a vid in yt about it
That Remington Rand it's gorgeous... and by the way, i saw a documentary and over there they make these guns in huts, by hand... pretty good gunsmiths if u ask me...
Thanks! It's a family heirloom, my grandfather brought it back from the war. It's not bad craftsmanship, good enough to fool a lot of people that don't look close enough.
What else do they have to do really?
Yeah there's mfs in the middle east that can make basically any gun by hand it's nuts. kyhber pass on insta shows off guns made like that
I have seen some from the military with a star on either side on the word MODEL.
Was it made in danao philippines?
One of the better fake guns I've seen. Great craftsmanship!
should've compared it to a colt not a rem rand which is also a clone of a colt
Not by the terms of the contract the U.S. government had at the time. Under those terms, even the Colt was just another 1911 clone.
No its not
The hell you say
Sam Colt had been dead nearly half a century when the genius who was John Moses Browning blessed the U.S. military with his iconic design, chambered in the also iconic .45 Auto. Colt was famous for black powder guns. Any Colt after 1862 was someone else's. So really, when it comes down to it, the 1911 in this video isn't a clone at all, but a forgery. It could have just as well been a Springfield forgery or an ATI forgery or a Tisas forgery. It's still true to the Browning design, although in the A1 version that appeared in 1924 while JMB was still alive and kicking.
Jay Dee but the original maker was Colt, JMB designed it and had them produce it, he even went down to personally supervise the production, so Technically speaking all the other manufactures are clones
They dont do this in jungle huts anymore... theyve gone underground literally... once a gun is made they sell it in pesos... the person who bought it will do the chemical process for rust proofing... then sells is twice initial value to a person who brings it STATE-SIDE and sold in dollars. cosmetics may be crude but performance and durability is at par with the original.
Sir's there are legitimate gun makers here in the Philippines (patented) and there are plenty illegal gun makers...the illegal ones had cut-outs to traced and the finished product looks good..its the inner parts that are not reliable like springs, firing pin will degrade easily that is why they are recommended to replace it with original parts (branded)... but please take note these guns operate smoothly with the main function TO KILL...1. after the hit discard the gun...and retrieve the victims original (BRANDED) firearm. OR 2. for self defense at your residence....IF OUR COUNTRY HAD LEGITIMIZED..WE COULD HAVE ONE OF THE BEST UNITS AS WE HAVE ABLE CRAFTSMEN.
Pssssst
A little history for people. This may or may not be a Colt. I say this because Colt outsourced some of their manufacturing of 1911's to the Philippines to keep up with production some are unaware of this. The Philippines has been making 1911's since World War II because they were contracted by Colt to make them, and so just because it was made in the Philippines does not mean it is not an actual Colt 1911 depending upon what year it was made.
I think the fake Colt does not work well, rumor that some bullet fell in front of barrel.
There are also gunsmiths who operate outside of the law who have hidden workshops in the middle of nowhere out there who also make some pretty nice 1911 clones
@@hamishdow2188 my first job is as machinist in Makati, Philippines. The guy next to my station got fired for building a 1911 on company time. And I did not even noticed it 10 feet away.
He was busted because the union bitched that he was not paid for timed in early.
It is called "paltik" made in Danao City, Cebu, Philippines. They made it inside their houses with very modest tools. It is illegal in the Philippines. Some people making paltik guns find their way making legit Shooters Arms Mfg, guns...and SAM management doesn't even re-train them!
for what they sell for in the Philippines, a guy could flip these for a nice profit if he could get a steady supply.
A pretty good reminder that gun control is pointless, when a guy sitting in the jungle with hand tools can turn these out.
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Qingeaton are you sure about that..you been to Rock Island gun factory which makes philippine 45s sold here $$ jungle village firearms made by hand not the same they work😉My place in ZC Culianan MINDANAO .+ISIS
For what its worth, they are not in the jungle, they have a well set up gun manufacturing factory in Danau , because i have been there within the last 10years where i have watched these guys building various weapons including a well made sub machine gun. I purchased a replica 1911 Colt as shown in the video which i owned for several years, and was a damned good sidearm, well made, never jammed, reliable. Best sidearm ever made. I'm a former infantry soldier from New Zealand. Used to piss me off when know alls, who knew nothing, called it a fake. To thomas abel, thankyou sir for the info, as well as reference to dies and tooling equipment from Greg. Bob. Cebu.
All gun control has ever been or ever will be good for are overinflated gun prices, criminalizing, disarming and retarding the abided citizenry with laws of absolute ignorance.
All in the name of false safeties and fraudulent securities smeared from the ass of criminal government pimping false democratic choices.
Part of Ph history, yeah interesting. RIA/Armscor PH makes M1911Colt clones closer to the original nowadays. Wish I could get one sooner.
I was told Colt sold all of their 1911 making equipment to RIA.
I have an orig 1911a1
@@5jjt They did. My son has a $400 RIA 1911 it is a 70's series and it out shoots my $800 Colt.
I have a RIA M1911A1 and boy, it's about as reliable as Ol' Faithful. She's a damned fine gun.
Glad they did . RIA makes a decent 1911 at a fair price. My neighbor who’s retired police officer has one for edc he has a sig 1911 also but carries the Rock
The fake colt is awesome, hand made, I would love to have that gun.
To be honest, 1911 colt 45's are extremely common here in The Philippines,almost everyone here has a 1911 and they're probably all ghost guns.
My dad has multiple handguns, my uncle (mom side) has multiple firearms, my mom's friends has firearms, my dad's friends has guns. They're all too goddamn common here so nobody wouldn't really fuck around here cause you never know if they have a gun or not.
In fact, it's a common thought here to assume that the person you're annoying probably has a gun and they mostly do so it isn't wise to fuck around.
My dad also have a gun they're are shotgun, 9mm revolver, and Colt 1911
Who ever makes these knockoffs NEEDS to be given american citizenship, and put them to work in colts custom shop! Imagine he quality they could do with REAL tools! Turning Colts into Korths. (Or a taurus into Korths)!
The Japanese Mafia, The Yakuza, did just that during the 1980s!
Brought These Filipino gunsmith to Japan..paid them More than handsome salaries, gave them modern tools to make firearms exclusively for the Yakuza.
Upon these Filipino gunmakers' return to the Philippines, they have greatly improved Their trade, with some of them being hired by Philippine legitimate firearms factories.
The ingenuity of the people that hand make these is amazing. I bet they even made the crude tooling used in the manufacture. I would say though, that any gun barrel that's soft enough to be worked by hand, probably shouldnt be fired but is still a very collectable piece.
I have sold thousand of 1911 clones to security agensies in the philippines. Most of them are piece of junk like a decorative gun on a holster of a security guard. But Danao has some very good replica like the mac 11 machine pistols and the kg 9 MP.
here in CEBU CITY an hour away from Danao City Philippines you can get one of those good looking Copy pistol in the street for only about 50/100 dollars up to 250 dollars Class A . Class A meaning a good quality iron and good quality blue finishes
I want one nice piece
Cno pwede mkontak pra mkakuha ng baril..
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How to contact the seller planing to buy 1... Cavite
With the availability of internet technology and high quality tools and materials, these backyard firearms made in Danao City, Cebu, Philippines is a "run for the money" compared to the originals
So that's a hand made and fitted to the frame. Some would call it a custom made 1911 (not mass produce) i would love to see the accuracy / grouping on this gun.
That'll set you back $195 in the philippines. You can get an Mac10 for about $250. They all work.
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How come no one hires those Filipinos in the jungle hand making guns? Bring them here. They will help Colt out of bankruptcy.
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no! they were our piece of jewel
They are hired now in legal factory such as armscor and shooter
@@calibre.4549 well...l wanted them for America!
I was at a gun show years back, like 1996. This dude was selling Llama's lowers with Colt Gold Cup slides AS a Gold Cup. The uninformed gobbled up the mis matched guns at 750 each... what was the easiest part to tell is Colt wasn't selling any firearms with parkerised finishes at the time. These were presented to the public as new.
Did you say anything to anyone about it?
If you want a Filipino 1911A1, go to your local gun store or pawn shop, and order or buy a ROCK ISLAND .45 .......
Gerald Gerhardstein that’s so true brother cheers
I just want a filipina
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Love my Rock Island
..years back, the Japanese crime organization, the Yakuza were the main buyers of these " backyard" PHILIPPINE made guns.
When things began too tight for the Yakuza to bring the guns to Japan, they brought the Philippine gun makers to Japan instead and gave them very good machineries and lucrative
" salaries"..
Now, these backyard gun makers have adopted machine technology they learned in Japan.
Too many backyard gun manufactures in the Philippines they are making fully auto m16 from an engine block.
fueled by demand from Japan of all places.
@@luburan1973 Why do the Japanese like them so much?
@@joeroganjosh9333 it is no wonder, they like their swords so much too.
Filipinos like their balisong too! So they can stab assholes and walk away.
One thing you didn't mention. The frame is marked to look like a WW2 military Colt, but the markings on the slide are for a commercial Colt sold to civilians.
Bingo! Ww2 Colt frame, newer made colt slide. Checkered and reparkerized and slapped together.
That's a common paltik theme. Most of them have 50s slide markigns paired with WWII ANAD rebuild markings. Trying mimick some of the early 1950s Colt Govt. Mod replacment sldies on WWII frames.
I have an original colt 1911 owned by my grandfather because he was a former guerrilla during World war 2 and the hand grip is made of deer horn
Phillipines copies were copied from the ones found after the American Philippines war still damn good hand made and fitted by generations of craftsmanship passed down
I am in the philippines and i can tell you there is so many pistol made here by hand and good quality
People of Danao, Philippines can make a copy of your Remington in just a week or two.
Tony Stark's father made that in a cave from a box of scraps!!!
tony scraps made that in a cave from a box of starks.
In cebu,philippines homemade 1911 wins competition!
The Phillips screw (1953?) on the grips was a dead giveaway.
I've seen all kinds of screws used to replace factory screws that have been lost or stripped out.
Plot twist: it's a legit Colt 1911 but their quality has gone down the drain
The serrated part is a signature use to locate the backyad gunsmith and not intended for the design..only the barel machined and the rest part is all handmade by file..from phillipines here
Yup! It SHOULD say "COLT'S" in script (with the Pony) NOT "Colt" on it! My Pre-1956 Colt's .38 Super Combat Commander Special (think Gold Cup) is plainly rolled "Colt's Automatic Pistol Model of 1911A Caliber Colt's .38 Super Auto". It is Class Three engraved by Grebbe of Colt's Custom Shop and has an adjustable trigger and target sights. I recently sold a .32 Long Colt Lady Colt's 5 3/8" Garter Pistol from about 1880. A lovely 5-shot Police Positive Action Revolver Grade SEVEN engraved that belonged to my neighbor across the street. She was profoundly deaf and a 17-year-old bride when she and her husband moved to wild-and-wooly Tulsey-Towne before statehood in about 1880. He got it for her and she wore it in the garter holster on her right leg under her skirts. I had it re-blued by Colt's Custom Shop a Decade ago, and sold it to a lady from Nome for nearly 6 figures. Unquestionably, the most accurate revolver I've ever shot-probably the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, including my Thompson Contender Super 14.
I’ve had a couple of genuine Colt 1911’s in the past… Now i shoot an ATI FX model 1911 Commander, & I bought it outright, out-the-door from a gun store for $325 total cost. (70 series type). Made in the Philippines. I’ve shot several boxes of ammunition with it. It cycles ANY ammunition, even steel case Russian ammo, or hollow points, or flat nose. It’s more accurate than my Colt’s were, & they wouldn’t cycle just any ammunition… Trenendously recommend, LOL
Philipino made copy? The 1911 was designed during what was called the Philippino insurrection! The .38 cal. the army was using, was ineffective against the Philippino's, and the army needed a larger caliber firearm! There are 1911's made in the Philippines and are of decent quality! About as expensive as a Colt made gun!
you compared a Remington rand to a colt 1911. I think you can expect some small differences.
That's not a real Colt 1911.
Herbert Johnson i completely agree. if he was going to compare one to the other he should have used an actual COLT to prove it was fake. a Springfield and Colt and Remington all look different yet the same
Herbert Johnson here in Philippines it's looks the same it's called Danao made
thing is that there were several government contacts to manufacture the .45 ACP. Colt, Singer, Ithaca, Remington Rand...but the acid test was all those pistols were disassembled and all the parts were mixed together in a box and reassembled. All pistols fired using the mixed parts.
@@warlock6989 , you're wrong. It's Marikina made not Danao. Danao not a good quality. Rock Island Armory manufactures 1911 for US.
Looks like a real US frame and commercial colt slide circa 1980’s
Circa 1960’s commercial slide be my guess
You're exactly right! 1943 military frame and a newer 1911c govt slide.
The machine work is too crude to be a US factory made frame. And there are differences that he didn't point out in the video.
Checkering, not serrated
Most people responding here missed the whole point of this video.
So true.
Fill me in. What was the point?
Fiy not only 1911 pistol cloned in danao Cebu they also make ak47 uzi ar15 sw357 magnum and many popular gun models.its pure handmade they don't have electricity in the village,imagine what they can do if they use modern machinery's and undergo gunsmithing training
Thats some good info, if I was going to buy a 1911 I would want it to be an actual Colt.
That Colt copy isn't finished off nearly as well as a Rock Island!! I will say, I've had many 1911s cross my bench with Essex frames and a pre-WWII Colt slide that are labeled US ARMY on the slide. Some of those look like they were machined with a chisel!
And for that reason, this is more than likely a real Colt.
It's probably a Philippines Ghost pistol
my grandpa has this kind of 1911 and only works with hand mags the mag that came from the legit gun store doesn't fit I thought the one that I bought from the gun store was fake I just realized the gun itself were fake though it fires no problem! until now my uncle owns it and I try to buy it from him, he said it's a collection. OH, my Geessh they collecting counterfeit...
Rock Island is philippine brand of colt 45 (i googled it) very good 45s sold by Amscor in usa?
Couple of points: 1) No one should be copying another manufacturer's product and passing it off as authentic, i.e., unless you are Colt Arms, you can't call what you manufacture, a "Colt". 2) How well does this Philippino-made model M1911A1 shoot? Might shoot pretty well; might be a good economical handgun to own.
Moderator is almost selling me on reasons why I should buy the "fake"
About a year or maybe two years ago a group of people got arrested for manufacturing firearms. Some of them were on layoff from RIA. It was believed that they smuggled out some of the larger unfinished parts and completed them in their homes. It's hard to get any components of guns or ammunition there. In fact a permit to own or carry a firearm is next to impossible for Filipinos. So some find it easier to risk prison. I've seen a number of the weapons they've finished by hand. Sometimes the work is truly beautiful and sometimes it's horrible. I've seen engraved firearms that rival old style high end. Salamat sa paggawa ng video na ito (seemed appropriate to write in Tagalog, lol)
Dumb question:
Do you think it's safe to fire? I hear the guys in the Philippines at least copy it well mechanically, most of the time.
Matthew Pham, the owner has fired it extensively before it was brought to us.
Im living in the phil. And i owned one of this, it fire neat, it never jammed, and accurate like hell, but it's depends on the gun you buy if it well made or not.
Would have been better if you had compared it to a real Colt instead of a Remington. Nothing wrong with the Rand, just not the gun the fake was trying to be.
If only WW2 Colt 1911s fell out of the sky. The parts I was comparing between the 2 are the same across WW2 1911 manufacturers.
North Florida Gun Guy - Fair enough, interesting video.
ugh I cringed when those two slides touched each other.
I assure you they both survived.
Dimension7 lol me too.i am funny about my colts.if I let someone shoot em I don't like em rough housing em either.hickok is even kinda ruff so etimes.
@@coyoteslayer4722 they're guns, tools, not fragile jewellery ya fairy
I don't why but that 1911 copy looks really big to me.
that Guy, It is mostly an optical illusion because the matte finish absorbs the light.
When the gun first came into Heritage Arms we did not realize it was a hand build until we took it apart.
David Grover ah thanks
that Guy That's what she said😎
That was one of the first things I noticed was how bulky it looked.
Quinrton how the heck are you gonna get a bunch of pistols here from the philippine. they cost $349-$400+here now..
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I've got one from Philippines but it works really really well than other factory made... I've always do hand made...
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Do you already see the documentary about ghost guns in Philippines? Is awesome those people can make copy whit tools of the stone age, I was amazed whit there skills!
If real handmade, this would be amazing!
That copy is pretty impressive
this looks like a replica from danao philippines
yes that sure is from Danao Philippines
That gun was made in Danao Cebu Philippines
They were built under contract through those countries for those countries
Pretty cool. I visited a few Khyber Pass "factories" in the late 90's and it was fascinating. Never have been to the philippine "factories" but I would love to check them out sometime.
that kind of gun is called "paltik" here in the Philippines, a backyard made gun and you can have it for about 12,000.00 pesos. But there are legitimate gun factories here like Armscor, SAM (ATI) and Metroarms.
I have rockisland 1911 and love it. it is a great shooting gun. what I find amazing is that in the Philippines they have the skill to find scrap metal and make a gun with no modern tools. I have been there and it is a wonderful place
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@@jdescaran I heard those Armscor guns are pretty good for the price.
I would not mind owning one. If I knew it was a copy and paid a fair price for a copy.
Did you know, the 1911 was created/released by the US government because the low caliber pistol cannot put down a Filipino machete wielding warriors during the Phil-American war? It was infact the first contact of American forces against a legit kamikaze
Yes and it is very well documented as stated here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol
LOL at the Philip's head screws on the grip panels of the "Colt." Uhhh, no.
why make the screws when you can just buy from a hardware store.
The 1911 moniker refers to the patten of the weapon, not the identity of the producer. It is not an authentic Colt, but it is a 1911 pattern pistol.
I'm not 100% convinced its a 4gery.
1. The gummed up top of the firing pin stop is probably from crudely using a tool to remove it (some are very tight), not from bunging up the carving when making the part as that is completely inconsistent with the rest of the gun.
2. The arc like mark inside the slide are from the end mill on a milling machine, not from hand filing the gun.
3. The checkering on the back of the slide and front of the grip portion of the frame is a common custom gunsmithing feature and often added to a gun well after it was manufactured. The presence of this feature has no bearing on the authenticity of the weapon. This is a nice feature on a modern 1911, and a travesty against the huge manatee when done on a vintage collectible.
It may indeed be fake, but it wasn't made in a hut with files.
As to making guns by hand - A friend does this and get about $5k each, but his idea of "by hand" is make each piece an individual work of art using tool like swiss screw machines and Japanese 5 axis mills.
Milsurp how does shoot? How does it perform compared to a genuine 1911?
Colts roll markings have always been a little inconsistent but this was obviously punched.
It's crazy how many people are defending this one as if it's a legit Colt.
A factory before in Cebu Philippines that supplied unmarked firearm parts for US brands as outsource, produce the best copies (discretely & illegally) They use photo chemical etching for markings, they told me if markings is very perfect & plain it's a copy. Because original roll markings embossed the markings surface & is normally uneven. (Their parts are interchangeable with OEM 1911). Most backyard gun makers claim their gun came from that factory because it's the most sought after.
Rather have the hand made one from the phillipines the us military ones we had in 1969 were worn out
I have had a lot of 1911s. Always wanted a Colt with the pony on the slide. Finally shelled out $800 for a new Colt 1991. I was very disappointed with the Colt ,It stove piped a lot Failure to fire and feed. What I really did not like is it had a plastic grip safety and a plastic trigger. For $800 these parts should have been steel. I have a Rock Island 1911 now, all steel parts and absolutely runs GREAT! Colt is selling there name. Springfield, Remington R1 and Smith & Wesson still make a good 1911 for the price. Colt---forgetaboutit! A lot of companies made 1911 in wwll , all were as good or better then the Colt.
I had the same problem with a new colt I bought in 1981. Stove pipe, fail to feed. Same issues. I sold it a year or two later. Bought a Rock Island 1911 A1 about 8 years ago, and have zero malfunctions to date.
@@calsurflance5598 Yep,Colt is just selling the name. I just bought a Nickle Plated 1911 A1 in 45 acp. What a beautiful gun. Now I have 2 Rock Islands,both are great. Colt has been sold to CZ,I understand. Maybe the quality will get better, but I bet they won't get any cheaper.
@@johnmccorkle3430
They are nice to look at but reliability is the key. It has to function or it’s just a pretty paper weight. And a liability!
Enjoy your new Rock Island!👍👌
@Montfort Es Mort I really suspect "Colt" 1911s will get better ,now that CZ makes them, probably not cheaper ,though . I recently purchased a 22cal revolver sold by Rock Island and made in the Check Republic. Alpha arms manufacturers these revolvers for RIA. Alpha has a really high tec factory. Theses revolvers are top notch, I was quite impressed with my 22.
Back around 1990 I picked up a Colt gov model. It was a jam master. I sold it to a gunsmith and picked up a Springfield. It wasn't as bad but still not very good. I was told by a friend that 1911s had to be sent to a gunsmith to be made reliable, so that ended my relationship with the 1911 platform. However - a few weeks ago I picked up an RIA 1911. It's had about 1k rounds through it and been 100% reliable. So I bought a Tisas US Army model for just over $300. Also 100% reliable. What's wrong with these US makers?
Actually the clone 1911 you can see on this video that the clone 1911 has less gap on the slide then the original one. I think the clone gun can take more punishment than the so called original.
Or the fake seizes up before anything else!!
The guy who made this . Level Master
I've seen ppl made a gun in America is nothing compared to that . I mean make in your garage
Obviously the quality can't compare to a factory 1911 (almost any brand for that matter), but this is still the best handmade fake I've ever seen. The ones over at Forgotten Weapons are a joke compared to this.
The Colt rollmark is a dead giveaway.
My guess is the fake “Colt” 1911 is worth more than the original.
I have a hand made 105mm HOWITZER...
made from the Philippines daw meaning, danao cebu😂
Yeah, It's made in Danao, Cebu PhiLippines
The only true Colt 45 ACP is made by Colt. All others are copies made under lic. from Colt During WWII, there several manufactures, to wit Remington, Ithaca, High Standard, Singer Sawing Machine Co. and many more At the time it was production, production, thus the machining marks on the firearm. So do your home work before you make incorrect comments. By the way, if it has machine marks then it is not hand made.
I thought you were going to say they miss spelled "COLT".
The finish on the fake is a dead giveaway.
You should see what they do in the middle east. Comparing a hand made gun from a master craftsman to a factory made gun is a compliment to the master. Takes them a month to make these with stick welders and hand tooling. They have better fit and finish than a lot of "real" guns.
The fake is finer than the original.
BTW for your info that black grip is made of battery case. Now adays it more modern kind of manufacturing for then,they buy the reciever 70 % complete and also the slide,do some milling manufacture the small parts and its done. Then they bring the almost finish product into a marking facility,they mark ot colt,para ordnance etc,bring it again to a shop to have finish and its done. They sell the 1911 to the stockholders for 6000 php the stock holders sell it to the runners for 7500 php and the runners sell it to gun runners for 13000 to 14000 php and the final gun runners sell at around 15000 to 18000 php. Thats how the trail works hahahaha
I live in the Philippines! And i never heared of us making fake 1911s even if im a gun person
Javi Lim hello , Do you know who sell illegal gun?
I want to buy gun , thank you
You did not take it apart and look at the riflings inside the barrel. If you have an old Thompson sub-machine gun barrel, the gunsmiths will cut and make two .45 pistols, one for them on for you, at no charge.
I would have to have both side by side to catch the font problem. The slide serrations are an obvious if your looking for that. Running the serial number might give it away unless its a legitimate number from a real colt
The grips on my government model 1911 are rosewood.
But does it function like its supposed to ?
I married a filipina gal. And her Uncle,... and subsequently the cousins, made these puppies. I visited the "factory" a few times - the ...most rudimentary equipment you can imagine. I will not go into details where -but I would not fire one of these things with a full load without safety glasses and at least half a bottle of Tanduay in me...I am a Sig guy! or at least something made in a factory like Springfield Armoury or Kimber!
I watched a documentary on gun smuggling into the United States. The make the forms from actual 1911 parts as dies. It’s a long process as there are one maybe three people working on the one gun. They take metal and get it really hot and then with the use of a die they can form the Metal. Grinding is also done using a die to make sure the part is as exact as possible. After the pistol is completed they go out in the forest and fire one bullet. If it works it is sold to a gun runner that sneaks them into the United States. From their it is sold on the Black Market such as gangs. Very dangerous business. The worker that makes guns can and do get killed by rivals.
Thank you. You just saved me from buying a Fake. 😊
I'm curious about serial numbers on the copy. No doubt you can contact Colt to find out, correct?
Colt used that style of stamping on their newer slides. Google "colt 1911c govt" and look in the images. Buds is selling them too. It looks like someone took a real military property 1943 made frame (I ran the serial number), checkered the front strap, bubba'd the grip screws, messed with some other shit like the plunger, used a newer colt slide (yes, they have shitty stampings) and checkered the rear of it, and reparkerized the gun. It's not a genuine ww2 era 1911a1, but it is a "colt made 1911" made up of parts from different Colt guns.
so, its possible these 2 guns differ 30 to 40 years in age? not really something to compare then...
The biggest give away is they spelled caliber wrong. Colt spells caliber "CALIBRE" and not "CALIBER".