Other than losing Carl this may have been the biggest breaking point for Rick bc it was the first time he realized he'd have to do things he never wanted to in order to survive
Yuuup, how would you feel having to kill your best friend because he slept with your wife. . But in the long run his friend NEVER asked for this. But he did pursue it, when it was presented to him.
@@michaelbuxton3659it's honestly just cause the first half had pacing issues, which is more hitting since s1 was so fast paced it might've put ppl out
@@michaelbuxton3659i always held this season in high regard and I'm glad it's getting recognized. The biggest criticism I heard was that it was too dialogue based. But, what do you expect? There's an arsenal of characters, for better or worse. You need time to develop them so that later... we get scenes like this!!
He was just too far ahead of the curve. I think in the long term he would have lead the group in the wrong direction if he took over instead. He wouldn’t have been able to pull through like rick.
@NoNameToYou no she wouldn't she had no survival skills and worried about the dumbest things she would've gotten herself killed somehow, shane though would've had great development if she never messed with him and gave him mixed signals turning him and Rick against eachother
It was also Shane too Lori told him to stay away from her and carl but Shane didn't listen Edit: I know that Lori was in the wrong too but I was just saying that she shouldn't take all of the blame
No, it was more of Shane because she stopped doing whatever they had. Once Rick got back it was Shane that couldn’t except that and still was crazed over Lori kitty cat.
The thing about Shane is that he thought he lost Rick in the hospital so in the end Shane was already trying to take rick's place in the world so Rick took his chance away
@@TacosInaBag fr. It's sad to me that Shane went mental because Rick came back. I think it would've been very different if they stayed together and worked together. I feel Rick became his own version of Shane around season 5 and then by the end he evolved so much since the start
@@definitelyafan2541He doesn’t need to. Shane told Lori and Carl that Rick was dead when he didn’t know. Lori’s faaaar from innocent, but she legit thought that Shane lied about Rick. That’s why she told him to stay away from her and Carl. Then there’s the fact that Shane couldn’t accept Rick’s leadership, and was mentally losing it because he wasn’t in control. This confrontation was inevitable, and although Lori-the-bitch stirred the pot, a lot of this was on Shane. As much as I hated her, I wish she lived a bit longer… I liked the drama she brought😂
@@anxnymous_bodies how can you make sure that he is alive in a zombie apocalypse.... he's wounded unconscious and there's only a door and a stretcher between him and walkers.....they don't know what kind of threat it was as it had just started...so yeah shane guessed he was dead becoz it's been months since the outbreak
Jon Berthal is a genius. Him and Andrew Lincoln had auditioned for the main characters and the producers couldn’t decide who should play Rick and who should play Shane but Jon made it easy by asking to play Shane knowing well that Shane was going to die early into the show. He did this because he knew this show was going to go on for a while so this was a one in a lifetime opportunity to make it big and get opportunities elsewhere.
In the original version of this scene, Shane was supposed to insult Rick to the point of Rick stabbing Shane, then Shane would turn into a walker, Rick would grab Shane’s gun and try to shoot him, only to realize that he never had any bullets, meaning Shane had no intention of killing Rick, he just wanted Rick to step up and do what was necessary
Such a sad scene. Nobody won here. Shane sure as hell didn’t win, Rick didn’t either, nor the group. Two brothers, losing their battle together. Still gets me after all these years.
@@DeadX2My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
The way this is filmed is just perfect. It honestly is. Both of them surrounded by the dark, bloodied and battered out in an open field. Nothing out there except them. Shane with his gun trained on Rick. Rick holding his gun out in a passive gesture. Shane grabs onto the gun and the viewer thinks maybe there is still a chance for them to make amends, only for them to realize it was a trick. Rick stabs Shane. A single gunshot rings out. Rick is metaphorically replacing Shane as the one who will kill to protect his family. He absorbed that mentality moving forward. This moment changed Rick more than any other.
He still didn't turn into Shane he became resonable he didn't kill anyone who wasn't a threat and was mostly helping people Shane would've likely tried to kill or avoid people for the best survival chance like the governor
swear when i watched this i seriously pondered this for so long. shane did not have to do all this - i think him seeing the walker walking alone and him making the analogy to himself + all the stress from the zombies in the barn and being threatened to be kicked off the farm really just sent him over. but shane was a great character and i was and still am he was took out so early . They shoulda just killed Lori and called it good
As soon as rick told shane about the baby, he fucked up. Shane learning that Lori was having a baby led him to believe that it was his, and rick had to go.
The actor that played Shane wanted his gun to be empty in the scene. He felt like it would have been a better point for Shane to pressure Rick into killing him because he knew Rick needed to become that man in this new world in order to protect his family but he never intended to want to kill Rick. The actor wanted Rick to stab Shane and once Shane dies Rick would pick up Shane's gun only to realize the gun had no bullets in it. But the director and producer vetoed the idea.
That's a good angle, but Shane would've shown some depressive symptoms. The Shane we got had an immense will to live. Wanting to get stabbed wouldn't make sense. It would've been a better creshendo, had they planted that seed.
@@bryant7542 I agree. I love Shane but that angle gives him way too much credit. He was right about a lot of things but still just as far gone as anyone else. He wanted to make the hard decisions and he thought getting rid of Rick would be one of them. Shane believed he was best for everyone and 11 times out of 10 he would kill Rick before believing Rick was capable of doing what was "necessary."
@@michaelzamora8056 facts, it would’ve been cool for Rick to find his Glock empty just cause it would’ve made it that much more emotional for Rick , but for Shane’s personality I don’t see how they could’ve worked him bluffing about the kill in there
"This was you. Not me." That was his immediate response, his immediate realization that his best friend was going to die... at his hands. That he had no other choice. You really only hate someone when you loved them once. Such phenomenal writing.
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
If you watch the regular clip Shane smirks at Rick for giving away his gun because Shane takes as a sign of Rick being the lesser man but ultimately Rick was the better man because he made the tough decision to kill before Shane did.
Better man is subjective especially here. Rick is the more dangerous man. He is capable of far worse than Shane but he doesn't present that way. Shane swings his anger like a club, Rick uses his anger like a scalpel. Only showing it when needed.
Naw, Shane was right. Rick had too much morals and eventually kneeled to Negan, got his Son killed, Glen killed…Shane would have ripped Negans heart out and beat him with it😅. Shane was the hero they needed in the No Rules ANYTHING goes world.
God Lori was toxic af. She treated Shane like he had just handfed Rick to the infected while he was still in a coma. In actuality, Shane's actions actually saved Rick's life and not to mention that Shane also saved Lori and Carl by helping them evacuate the infected city. All that Lori was doing when blaming Shane was projecting her own guilt onto him. I was glad that they got rid of Lori. She was a massive liability to the group.
@@23DEATHNUMBER to be fair in the moment Shane wasn’t right he was too bitter if he had held his shit together another couple months he and Rick would have both had the same mindset because Rick eventually reached to where Shane was in his development
Shane's original death was going to be exactly that, except Carl doesn't show up and when rick goes to kill walker Shane (using Shane's gun) it would click showing the gun was never loaded, would've been a way better ending for Shane, wendigoon explains it way better than me in his walking dead iceberg video
I love this scene, but the detail I love most is that Rick had convinced Shane to stand down. They were brothers, and they loved eachother like brothers. Last time, Rick let Shane live. This time, Shane let Rick live... but Rick knew at this point that it was only ending in one way
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
In the comics it’s totally different Rick is willing to die to try and convince Shane he never actually kills him Carl comes along and sees what’s happening and kills Shane Rick grabs Shane’s gun and racks the slide but realizes There was never a bullet in the chamber The gun was empty Shane was trying to push Rick to do whatever it took to survive to protect his family Even kill his best friend At least I think so I haven’t read the comics in ages and Jon Bernthal even stated he wanted this scene to play out like that instead of the final product This is even shown later on in Ricks last episode when he has that talk with Shane in the squad car “I’m sorry for what happened…for what I did to you…” “Man you gotta let shit go….you gotta move on from that….right now you gotta fight! Where’s that animal I want you to dig deep and find him and fight! Rick! Man WAKE UP!”
This was the number one saddest death in the whole series for me… seeing them as best buddies before the apocalypse, Shane coming to visit Rick in the hospital and knowing all that, seeing this scene it genuinely made tear up 🥲
@@Getstr8cash Shane was an insane murderer who wanted to bang his best friends wife so badly he was willing to kill him over it (and even tried to rape her) how is his death more tragic than having your brains bashed out in front of your pregnant wife???
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
Oh my God I just realized Rick did the exact same thing to Negan and Shane. Made them get their guard down by appealing to their good side and then slashing them with a knife.
"We tried to kill each other man, you thought we were just gonna forget about it all and ride off into the sunset" this is exactly what the show turned into, no realism left what so ever
@@sammann3577i think they’re referring to the stuff with Negan, despite not taking into account the numerous years of his imprisonment prior to freedom after he helped win the war against the whisperers *and* still having conflicts with group members over his past
Rick is an amazing manipulator but only used the skill when it was necessary. He used Lori and Carl to lower Shane’s guard before killing him, and then used Carl again to slash Negan.
In the comics and show Shane had nothing but Rick before the world changed. After he thought Rick died he actually had something of his own to keep his sanity.something to live for. After Lori's reaction to Shane's death. Rick shuda severed all emotional attachment to her.
He wanted rick to kill him. He knew rick was soft and wouldn’t make it so he had to make a sacrifice and make him stronger to keep everyone safe even if it cost him his life.
@@Wolf-md2ui thats just idiotic way to go. you have no idea about shanes character. He was crazy he wanted lori and carl to himself and nobody would actually kill themselves in the dumbest way possible😂
In the original script, Shane’s gun is empty. He wanted Rick to kill him. Even though it may not be cannon, I pretend it is. Because it gives an end to Rick and Shane’s relationship that’s just so depressing. In a good way
I would imagine that rick would find out by picking up shanes gun after killing him then trying to shoot him when he comes back as a zombie only to find out that the gun is empty followed by Carl shooting zombie Shane and saving Rick. Fuck that would have been perfect .
That honestly doesn’t really fit the character at all. Shane was absolutely crazy. He wouldn’t sacrifice himself to make Rick stronger, he hated Rick at this point and wanted him dead.
He did here too Rick put down Shane Carl put down the Reanimated Shane and Shane was supposed to walk towards Rick growling Rick’s name as a walker cause Jon Bernthal wanted Shane to be the first walker to speak to Rick this scene was well portrayed wish we got to see Shane haunt Rick as a walker for a couple seconds cause that would of been a nice little attention to detail that shows why They’re friendship was turning into a rivalry and taking a dark turn this is a conclusion of a difficult choice of Ricks life they truly were brothers in the original script the gun had no bullets Shane just wanted to be put out of his misery.
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
I always felt like Shane wanted Rick to kill him because he couldn't live with what he had become after killing Otis. Plus the manipulation Lori was doing to both of them pitted them against each other. Lori wanted one gone because of her own guilt.
Nostalgia man. 🥺Grew up with the walking dead I remember watching it live on Sundays talking about it at school with friends Monday morning. We literally grew up with walking dead because it been on for 12 years.
No, If I was Rich, I don't want to change. Keep my mind close to neutralize as much as possible like Rick. I don't think he can manipulate, even Negan know Rick can't actually believe him as much. Negan had said it with his mouth,
For me, this was the saddest moment in the walking dead. The fact that Shane kept Rick Alive only for him to have to kill him later. His own brother by bond though not by blood. The vicissitudes of fate are often fucked up.
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
Shane was ahead of his time in terms of mentality, but it’s still psychotic and irrational behavior. Might’ve been a better survivalist at the time, but he certainly wasn’t level headed enough to make the decisive, challenging decisions necessary to keep the entire group alive
This moment is so much better in the comic in my opinion. Rick was never going to kill Shane. Up until the moment Carl killed Shane, Rick never planned on killing Shane and would've died if Shane really willed it. It's such a big character choice for this to be a planned betrayal rather than a final attempt to save his friend. Its a big difference between comic Rick and show Rick.
In the show there are some people who are "too far gone". That have no possible way for redemption (the governor, the flower girl , etc) Rick saw that in Shane so he killed him because he was a threat to everyone. (Just like Carol the flower girl)
@@Cichyhub it's a big decision as a human being to decide and kill your best friend for any reason. In the show, he's ruthless. Knows what he needs to do and does it. He's a killer. At this point in the comic, he's unsure of what the world is becoming and what he needs to be in order to survive in it. He wanted more than anything for his friend to turn back to him, and was willing to die for it. He was willing to die for the hope that everyone could still be decent. Shane would have killed him if Carl hadnt stepped in and saved Rick... And that's when Rick learns he needs to be more to protect the ones he loves. It humanizes him more than the betrayal in the show in my opinion.
i can’t agree with that, this comment made me go read my first addition from start to finish and i still don’t see how it’s better? please explain i feel like the comic book version didn’t use the character enough, from the beginning it’s like he was supposed to be hated but in the show he becomes horrible overtime
What kind of idiot are you? Shane literally lied to Lori telling her that her Husband died, and then made a Move on her. Then Rick returns and instead of being happy his best friend is back, he goes Crazy because now Carl will never call him Daddy. Shane was weak and Lori had nothing to do with that
@@200doubleyou5 Well when Lori found out that Rick was still alive (so that Shane manipulated her), she told Shane to get his distance from her family. And what this jerk did ? He tried to rape her and still talk to her
@@200doubleyou5 And also, Shane always whine because he is not listened to by the others. But by the way he acts with people, he can only blame himself.
Imagine if Lori wasn't around. Shane would have been there for flights he was ABSOLUTELY needed for. He probably would have been killed by Negan over Abraham though.
abraham is one of my favorite characters of the show.. you can tell abraham was ready, he was willing to die for everyone there so glenn or maggie could survive for there baby he was postured and standing strong.
@@heystara7318 yeah they would’ve. Shane would’ve went along with the plan to kill the saviors and the outcome would’ve been the same because Shane wasn’t smarter than Rick and Negan managed to outsmart Rick.
I most definitely believe this was Rick's first mistake only find out Shane was right. Imagine the challenges Rick and the party go through, how different if Shane was still around
We needed Shane too. It s a shame the only person he taught before he died was andrea, and she became a badass for like a season. Also Shane and Rick dou would’ve shat in negans mouth. The governor would’ve been too scared to try anything and would’ve befriended Shane’s group at the prison. They needed Woodbury in the long run, the people they encountered after the governor were so much more savage. They could’ve been one of the Allied groups in the end.
One of the first and most important breaking points for Rick.
Other than losing Carl this may have been the biggest breaking point for Rick bc it was the first time he realized he'd have to do things he never wanted to in order to survive
“I seen red.”
All I could think of when he started yelling at him on the ground.
Breaking bad TWD edition
Dreet.
Yuuup, how would you feel having to kill your best friend because he slept with your wife.
. But in the long run his friend NEVER asked for this. But he did pursue it, when it was presented to him.
Surprised Shane didn’t rub his head during that
Right? 😄
Bruh💀💀💀
That was his downfall Lmao
Rub my head Rick
Hahahahahahaah
Season 2 has aged like fine wine
It’s crazy how it was seen as the worst season for a long time but damn it’s good
@@michaelbuxton3659it's honestly just cause the first half had pacing issues, which is more hitting since s1 was so fast paced it might've put ppl out
Season 2 has always been my favorite season, even now.@@michaelbuxton3659
@@michaelbuxton3659i always held this season in high regard and I'm glad it's getting recognized. The biggest criticism I heard was that it was too dialogue based. But, what do you expect? There's an arsenal of characters, for better or worse. You need time to develop them so that later... we get scenes like this!!
And every other season aged like milk
Shanw really had that season 5 mentality
He was just too far ahead of the curve. I think in the long term he would have lead the group in the wrong direction if he took over instead. He wouldn’t have been able to pull through like rick.
@@ryv2484no ...shane was just a hothead for Lori and that's it
@@ryv2484Lori might have lived
@@ryv2484finally someone who also shares this opinion
@NoNameToYou no she wouldn't she had no survival skills and worried about the dumbest things she would've gotten herself killed somehow, shane though would've had great development if she never messed with him and gave him mixed signals turning him and Rick against eachother
"It was you! Not me!!"
It was actually Lori
Literally if she wasn't there, he'd be alive. No fight would've ever happened
It was also Shane too Lori told him to stay away from her and carl but Shane didn't listen
Edit: I know that Lori was in the wrong too but I was just saying that she shouldn't take all of the blame
But Shane went a lil crazy and unnecessarily turned against Rick behind his back.
@@GrogIV Lori told Shane to go away cause Rick came back Shane went crazy cause everyone was against him n never listened to him shits sad fr
No, it was more of Shane because she stopped doing whatever they had. Once Rick got back it was Shane that couldn’t except that and still was crazed over Lori kitty cat.
The thing about Shane is that he thought he lost Rick in the hospital so in the end Shane was already trying to take rick's place in the world so Rick took his chance away
Exactly how the comics went as I read them, he just couldn’t handle him being back and between “his” family. Rick was suppose to be dead
@@TacosInaBag fr. It's sad to me that Shane went mental because Rick came back. I think it would've been very different if they stayed together and worked together. I feel Rick became his own version of Shane around season 5 and then by the end he evolved so much since the start
@@colehoornbeek0406 Omg so true bro!
No…he knew good and damn well Rick was alive.
@@Maddi1224 no
Lori messed with Shane's head so much that he went crazy. He accepted that Rick came back.
He literally did not fam.
@@CedricBassmanwatch the show again bozo
@@definitelyafan2541
Nah, you should. Bozo
@@definitelyafan2541He doesn’t need to. Shane told Lori and Carl that Rick was dead when he didn’t know. Lori’s faaaar from innocent, but she legit thought that Shane lied about Rick. That’s why she told him to stay away from her and Carl. Then there’s the fact that Shane couldn’t accept Rick’s leadership, and was mentally losing it because he wasn’t in control. This confrontation was inevitable, and although Lori-the-bitch stirred the pot, a lot of this was on Shane.
As much as I hated her, I wish she lived a bit longer… I liked the drama she brought😂
@@anxnymous_bodies how can you make sure that he is alive in a zombie apocalypse.... he's wounded unconscious and there's only a door and a stretcher between him and walkers.....they don't know what kind of threat it was as it had just started...so yeah shane guessed he was dead becoz it's been months since the outbreak
Jon Berthal is a genius. Him and Andrew Lincoln had auditioned for the main characters and the producers couldn’t decide who should play Rick and who should play Shane but Jon made it easy by asking to play Shane knowing well that Shane was going to die early into the show. He did this because he knew this show was going to go on for a while so this was a one in a lifetime opportunity to make it big and get opportunities elsewhere.
What you summarized makes perfect sense.
I think Jon should have played Rick instead tbh
@@kaninnit5051 No
no one can portray Rick better than Andrew
Andrew is a better actor tho.
Andrew Lincoln is a genius too. The perfect actor
It’s the oldest story in literature: In order to survive you have to become the very thing you swore to destroy
W reference
True
Nah the oldest is definitely the heros journey
@@EienKakuri This dude just called Star Wars the oldest story in literature. 😂
@@billycherokee7630 well it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away 😂
In the original version of this scene, Shane was supposed to insult Rick to the point of Rick stabbing Shane, then Shane would turn into a walker, Rick would grab Shane’s gun and try to shoot him, only to realize that he never had any bullets, meaning Shane had no intention of killing Rick, he just wanted Rick to step up and do what was necessary
God that would've hit so hard.
Shane wanting him to kill him still comes off despite the fact that they didn’t write it that way specifically. A lot of people hold that opinion.
It wasn’t the “original version” braneles it was the actors idea. Where you get this from ur behind ?
@@JesusLopez-cg2gq learn how to spell you idiot lmao
in my head, shane never wanted to kill rick. it just seems right.
Such a sad scene. Nobody won here. Shane sure as hell didn’t win, Rick didn’t either, nor the group. Two brothers, losing their battle together. Still gets me after all these years.
Rick should’ve told Shane “I love you, man” before he gave his gun up
I don’t think he’d care tbh
@@DeadX2 sentiment goes a long way even for the insane
@@thebigcheese8604 yeah but he was too far gone here lol I don’t think he’d care
@@DeadX2My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
Bro, Rick has always loved Shane, just like Shane loved him.
Shane should have said " Let me tell you something!"
Wow,Proffesional?I've never thought you'll be here
Pls make an rdr1 video prof!
The professional The Rockstar 🐐
Bro l used to watch your vids on ways to get money in gta 5 😭
"let me tell u sum."
Rule n° 1: never underestimate Rick with a sharp object. Ask negan what happened
Only that was like 7 years or so after Shane died
@@Da4ksou1s he just got better at it lol
Ask Shane what happened because it happened to shane years before negan
never trust * rick. nobody underestimating
I asked him, he took over the group.
"You were my brother Shane! I loved you!"
The way this is filmed is just perfect. It honestly is. Both of them surrounded by the dark, bloodied and battered out in an open field. Nothing out there except them.
Shane with his gun trained on Rick. Rick holding his gun out in a passive gesture. Shane grabs onto the gun and the viewer thinks maybe there is still a chance for them to make amends, only for them to realize it was a trick. Rick stabs Shane. A single gunshot rings out. Rick is metaphorically replacing Shane as the one who will kill to protect his family. He absorbed that mentality moving forward. This moment changed Rick more than any other.
+ a giant herd coming!
He still didn't turn into Shane he became resonable he didn't kill anyone who wasn't a threat and was mostly helping people
Shane would've likely tried to kill or avoid people for the best survival chance like the governor
“You thought we were gonna ride off into the sunset together??”
Yes I did think that..
swear when i watched this i seriously pondered this for so long. shane did not have to do all this - i think him seeing the walker walking alone and him making the analogy to himself + all the stress from the zombies in the barn and being threatened to be kicked off the farm really just sent him over. but shane was a great character and i was and still am he was took out so early . They shoulda just killed Lori and called it good
As soon as rick told shane about the baby, he fucked up. Shane learning that Lori was having a baby led him to believe that it was his, and rick had to go.
@@FosterC144 it was his
@@weskerkings651 thats what Foster C said;
*The Baby was *Shane's.*
A man can hope 😢
One of the hardest decisions Rick had to make. I actually liked Shane
We needed him vs negan tbh
@@TheBongeSpob you didn’t.
It wasn’t. U only think that cause u like him Lml. But it wasn’t.
@@TheBongeSpob the fight would've ended day one
@@TheBongeSpob you spoiled it for me I’m on season 2 :(
"Call you daddy is that what you want?" 😂
This is the moment Rick became the person Shane said he could be
This is the moment *Rick became the Walkingberg*
The actor that played Shane wanted his gun to be empty in the scene. He felt like it would have been a better point for Shane to pressure Rick into killing him because he knew Rick needed to become that man in this new world in order to protect his family but he never intended to want to kill Rick. The actor wanted Rick to stab Shane and once Shane dies Rick would pick up Shane's gun only to realize the gun had no bullets in it. But the director and producer vetoed the idea.
Season 2 had a new director and show runner, I believe. They had just fucked over Frank Darabont, and I’m sure he would’ve kept that in!
That's a good angle, but Shane would've shown some depressive symptoms. The Shane we got had an immense will to live. Wanting to get stabbed wouldn't make sense. It would've been a better creshendo, had they planted that seed.
@@bryant7542 I agree. I love Shane but that angle gives him way too much credit. He was right about a lot of things but still just as far gone as anyone else. He wanted to make the hard decisions and he thought getting rid of Rick would be one of them. Shane believed he was best for everyone and 11 times out of 10 he would kill Rick before believing Rick was capable of doing what was "necessary."
That's a lame angle. Shane wouldn't have had that amount of foresight
@@michaelzamora8056 facts, it would’ve been cool for Rick to find his Glock empty just cause it would’ve made it that much more emotional for Rick , but for Shane’s personality I don’t see how they could’ve worked him bluffing about the kill in there
"This was you. Not me."
That was his immediate response, his immediate realization that his best friend was going to die... at his hands. That he had no other choice.
You really only hate someone when you loved them once.
Such phenomenal writing.
It was you not may
@@letsgobrandoniagree6803 NOT MAY, YOU DID THIS TO US! THIS WAS YOU. NOT MAY! NOT MAY!
Bravo Vince.
It was literally on Shane tho
Are you saying people who hate Hitler once loved him?
Rick was definitely meant to be a sheriff the way he could calm down a crazy armed shane like that
“We’re good bro we’ll just go walk back and forget about this.” Stabs him immediately
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
As soon as Shane dropped his eyes he went for that shit
Crazy how his heart basically turns into a pump that pushes out all his blood
@@Rehn98 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHHAHA
If you watch the regular clip Shane smirks at Rick for giving away his gun because Shane takes as a sign of Rick being the lesser man but ultimately Rick was the better man because he made the tough decision to kill before Shane did.
Better man is subjective especially here. Rick is the more dangerous man. He is capable of far worse than Shane but he doesn't present that way. Shane swings his anger like a club, Rick uses his anger like a scalpel. Only showing it when needed.
@@scot9624 great analogy bub.
Its why the group lasts so long
Negan : "Damn, I got tricked like that too"
Governor: I knew he was a liar!
@@GreaterGrievobeast55The one time Rick was willing the Governor calls him a liar lol
@@raid--er4083rick would have killed the governor. That's just a fact
Also Negan: this might be the way to end Alpha
@@GreaterGrievobeast55shit😂
The intro with Shane always got me cracking up, love the sarcasm lmaoo
Even from the beginning Rick had not only the ruthlessness to do what needed to be done but the guile required to accomplish it.
They both loved each other, as best friends.
Almost brothers, had Shane not gone insane.
Shane went crazy to much trauma .
Naw, Shane was right. Rick had too much morals and eventually kneeled to Negan, got his Son killed, Glen killed…Shane would have ripped Negans heart out and beat him with it😅. Shane was the hero they needed in the No Rules ANYTHING goes world.
@@derek3154Yeah, actually Daryl got Abraham and Glenn killed, I can't imagine what would have happened if Shane tried that
@@derek3154bait
God Lori was toxic af. She treated Shane like he had just handfed Rick to the infected while he was still in a coma. In actuality, Shane's actions actually saved Rick's life and not to mention that Shane also saved Lori and Carl by helping them evacuate the infected city. All that Lori was doing when blaming Shane was projecting her own guilt onto him. I was glad that they got rid of Lori. She was a massive liability to the group.
yes that toxic gal pushed rick to kill shane and when he did,she reacted the opposite 😂 women ☕
InceI
@@bradIeyscarreviews simp
@@leftistnpc5417 InceI energy.
@@hotdogpepper8410 and that makes Lori better how?
Watching Rick's character devolved from a law abiding cop to a savage killer, is crazy.
Best friend’s last resort under the moon 😔💔 so poetic
Great acting.
Season 2 is unmatched in my opinion
@@a1c334everything after the sanctuary was trash
@@oamih yep pretty much after season 3 it went down hill sadly.
Nice tie
Good job Lincoln
I always felt like he knew he was going to die and that he was trying to push Rick to go over the edge so he’d be as strong as he needed to be
Agreed shane kept trying to tell rick but rick wouldn't listen you can tell shane was pushing rick
@@23DEATHNUMBER to be fair in the moment Shane wasn’t right he was too bitter if he had held his shit together another couple months he and Rick would have both had the same mindset because Rick eventually reached to where Shane was in his development
Shane's original death was going to be exactly that, except Carl doesn't show up and when rick goes to kill walker Shane (using Shane's gun) it would click showing the gun was never loaded, would've been a way better ending for Shane, wendigoon explains it way better than me in his walking dead iceberg video
Nah, that's not it at all. Why would he want to die? That's his baby plus he wants to be around to protect lori and the kids
@@jameslangis9592 wasn’t that just an idea Jon Bernthal had?
I love this scene, but the detail I love most is that Rick had convinced Shane to stand down. They were brothers, and they loved eachother like brothers. Last time, Rick let Shane live. This time, Shane let Rick live... but Rick knew at this point that it was only ending in one way
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
Only the governor didn't fall for that trick
In the comics it’s totally different
Rick is willing to die to try and convince Shane he never actually kills him
Carl comes along and sees what’s happening and kills Shane Rick grabs Shane’s gun and racks the slide but realizes
There was never a bullet in the chamber
The gun was empty
Shane was trying to push Rick to do whatever it took to survive to protect his family
Even kill his best friend
At least I think so I haven’t read the comics in ages and Jon Bernthal even stated he wanted this scene to play out like that instead of the final product
This is even shown later on in Ricks last episode when he has that talk with Shane in the squad car
“I’m sorry for what happened…for what I did to you…”
“Man you gotta let shit go….you gotta move on from that….right now you gotta fight! Where’s that animal I want you to dig deep and find him and fight! Rick!
Man WAKE UP!”
Nah shane was gonna kill rick in the comics. He definitely had his gun loaded
@@NutSackHarvester did you read comics no didn’t think so?
@@balenciagayavo1332 yeah i did, twice. I own all the volumes
@@NutSackHarvesterkay so what actually happened was the gun loaded or what
@@jctee. Connor is dumb, gun is never loaded
This was the number one saddest death in the whole series for me… seeing them as best buddies before the apocalypse, Shane coming to visit Rick in the hospital and knowing all that, seeing this scene it genuinely made tear up 🥲
"Maggie... I'll find you..."
@@shoopmahboop1374nah Shane is way more tragic then Glenn
@@Getstr8cash Shane was an insane murderer who wanted to bang his best friends wife so badly he was willing to kill him over it (and even tried to rape her) how is his death more tragic than having your brains bashed out in front of your pregnant wife???
@@shoopmahboop1374stop whining for that yellow bastard 🤡
In my opinion the saddest moment ever in the show was Daryl finding Merle zombified
This was one of the best episodes
It was over from “Ima better father then you”
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
Oh my God I just realized Rick did the exact same thing to Negan and Shane. Made them get their guard down by appealing to their good side and then slashing them with a knife.
That's what makes him a very dangerous man.
@@emanuelcruz-lopez tip for future villains, if rick is starting to talk all nice all of the sudden, take the shot
Negan got Shaned. I though of that "fooled you!" scene from space balls when watching it.
Actually he got Negan with a piece of glass
That's "officer friendly" lol
“Damn you for making me do this Shane” hit hard. Rick gave him every chance.
sometimes i wish they kept shane sane cause he was the only guy rick really knew fully while the apocolipse was happenin
Man, the ghost conversation they have later hits harder after watching this.
“man u need to forget that shit” 😂
“DIS WAS YOU NOT MAYY!”
BOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH
Ricky dicky doo ah grimes
Rick: Kills his best friend.
Also Rick: Spares the life of his worst enemy.
Shane would killed the governor asap😂
“Screw my wife and my children”
“Uhhhh Rick, I don’t think you understand”
he said have my children
@@g29000 ☹️
@@censingterror7329 turn that ☹️ up side 🙃
"having my children calling you 'daddy', is that what you want?!"
-"Nah, it don't needed, Lori already did that for them"
😂
Bruh 💀
"We tried to kill each other man, you thought we were just gonna forget about it all and ride off into the sunset" this is exactly what the show turned into, no realism left what so ever
Wtf when
@@sammann3577i think they’re referring to the stuff with Negan, despite not taking into account the numerous years of his imprisonment prior to freedom after he helped win the war against the whisperers *and* still having conflicts with group members over his past
@@sammann3577S8, all downhill from there.
Rick was trying so hard to keep the monster chained, killing Shane broke one of the chains and the monster started to slowly break free.
Rick is an amazing manipulator but only used the skill when it was necessary. He used Lori and Carl to lower Shane’s guard before killing him, and then used Carl again to slash Negan.
I personally thought Shane was a decent person he was just broken whenever he saw Rick come back cause he knew it was over for him and Lori
Ye he even said sorry to Carol for killing the barn walkers
Shane went nuts once he was told he wouldn’t be in his child’s life
In the comics and show Shane had nothing but Rick before the world changed. After he thought Rick died he actually had something of his own to keep his sanity.something to live for.
After Lori's reaction to Shane's death. Rick shuda severed all emotional attachment to her.
When Rick was giving up his gun you could tell shane didn't have it in him to kill rick
He wanted rick to kill him. He knew rick was soft and wouldn’t make it so he had to make a sacrifice and make him stronger to keep everyone safe even if it cost him his life.
@@Wolf-md2ui Shane didn't want Rick to kill him he only cared about Lori and Carl and would try and survive to see Judith
If he didn’t kill him he was gonna put Rick in harms way again and again until it stuck
@@Wolf-md2ui thats just idiotic way to go. you have no idea about shanes character. He was crazy he wanted lori and carl to himself and nobody would actually kill themselves in the dumbest way possible😂
he kinda believed rick said that they can still going back to farm and pretend nothing happened thats why he lowered his guard
his first" my word/I lied" moment if ya think about it
“We don’t kill the living”
-rick grimes
That,s was before living tries to kill us
In the original script, Shane’s gun is empty. He wanted Rick to kill him. Even though it may not be cannon, I pretend it is. Because it gives an end to Rick and Shane’s relationship that’s just so depressing. In a good way
I would imagine that rick would find out by picking up shanes gun after killing him then trying to shoot him when he comes back as a zombie only to find out that the gun is empty followed by Carl shooting zombie Shane and saving Rick. Fuck that would have been perfect .
Stop spreading this bs story
No that was never in the script. It was just John's suggestion. I'm glad they didn't go with that
That honestly doesn’t really fit the character at all. Shane was absolutely crazy. He wouldn’t sacrifice himself to make Rick stronger, he hated Rick at this point and wanted him dead.
@@sillythygoose Shane probably would have been written a bit differently then so that scene would fit his character
Shane was one of the best characters. It's a shame Lori screwed his mind up telling him to stay when he was leaving
Shane was messed up already, but Lori didn't help things. It was 'I don't know who's baby this is' that pushed him over the edge.
In the comics it's actually Carl who kills Shane.
He did here too Rick put down Shane Carl put down the Reanimated Shane and Shane was supposed to walk towards Rick growling Rick’s name as a walker cause Jon Bernthal wanted Shane to be the first walker to speak to Rick this scene was well portrayed wish we got to see Shane haunt Rick as a walker for a couple seconds cause that would of been a nice little attention to detail that shows why They’re friendship was turning into a rivalry and taking a dark turn this is a conclusion of a difficult choice of Ricks life they truly were brothers in the original script the gun had no bullets Shane just wanted to be put out of his misery.
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
The saddest part is Shane was mostly right about it
This would be a terrible moment for any man. The death of brotherhood.
I always felt like Shane wanted Rick to kill him because he couldn't live with what he had become after killing Otis. Plus the manipulation Lori was doing to both of them pitted them against each other. Lori wanted one gone because of her own guilt.
I think she actually wanted the oposite. Apocalypsis and pregnant with a child, better two men to take care of her than one. Not love but survival.
Nostalgia man. 🥺Grew up with the walking dead I remember watching it live on Sundays talking about it at school with friends Monday morning. We literally grew up with walking dead because it been on for 12 years.
Still firmly believe Shane wasn’t going to kill Rick here
Rick manipulates Shane quite similarly to how he manipulated Negan later on. Whatever it takes ig
No, If I was Rich, I don't want to change. Keep my mind close to neutralize as much as possible like Rick. I don't think he can manipulate, even Negan know Rick can't actually believe him as much. Negan had said it with his mouth,
@@shetheyithe8894bro wtf are you even saying. Speak English
He was a cop bro
@@shetheyithe8894 wtf are you even sayin bro did I not tell you to speak English
@@MEDICUS729 they both were. Lol
This scene is literally Rick and Negan later. He pulled the lets talk it out so I can stab you card on both of em.
The pain in Rick’s voice when he kills Shane is just… wow
For me, this was the saddest moment in the walking dead. The fact that Shane kept Rick Alive only for him to have to kill him later. His own brother by bond though not by blood. The vicissitudes of fate are often fucked up.
Shane should've listened to uncle Chael.
“I can’t let you get close.”
@@natevelasquez1135 "fckn amateur"
Love this
With all that has happened in TWD all the great moments.. this is the one that will forever in my opinion sit at the top.
My best friend ended up f****** me while i was asleep... My best bro. I chose to forget it because of my depression and loneliness. Not even a month later i walked in on my OWN brother riding my best friends 🐓 the way i did. What broke my heart is that i couldn't figure out what hurt me most... My best friend commiting a sin like that... Or... The fact that my brother made that 🐓 do things i couldn't
If they agreed that Lori was the problem, Rick and Shane would hace been an unstoppable force
The punisher would have taken that stab with some cereals in the morning.
The punisher solos the whole verse. He's like that guy from the DD spinoff
I think Shane knew this would happen eventually, and I think he knew Rick needed that push to be stronger in order to survive
Shane was ahead of his time in terms of mentality, but it’s still psychotic and irrational behavior. Might’ve been a better survivalist at the time, but he certainly wasn’t level headed enough to make the decisive, challenging decisions necessary to keep the entire group alive
You know this will break my heart when we play the new video game coming up, given the option for Shane to take ricks place
I actually cried from this scene cause I felt his pain
This moment is so much better in the comic in my opinion. Rick was never going to kill Shane. Up until the moment Carl killed Shane, Rick never planned on killing Shane and would've died if Shane really willed it. It's such a big character choice for this to be a planned betrayal rather than a final attempt to save his friend. Its a big difference between comic Rick and show Rick.
In the show there are some people who are "too far gone". That have no possible way for redemption (the governor, the flower girl
, etc) Rick saw that in Shane so he killed him because he was a threat to everyone. (Just like Carol the flower girl)
@@Cichyhub it's a big decision as a human being to decide and kill your best friend for any reason. In the show, he's ruthless. Knows what he needs to do and does it. He's a killer. At this point in the comic, he's unsure of what the world is becoming and what he needs to be in order to survive in it. He wanted more than anything for his friend to turn back to him, and was willing to die for it. He was willing to die for the hope that everyone could still be decent. Shane would have killed him if Carl hadnt stepped in and saved Rick... And that's when Rick learns he needs to be more to protect the ones he loves. It humanizes him more than the betrayal in the show in my opinion.
i can’t agree with that, this comment made me go read my first addition from start to finish and i still don’t see how it’s better? please explain i feel like the comic book version didn’t use the character enough, from the beginning it’s like he was supposed to be hated but in the show he becomes horrible overtime
@@provoked-_- I think you misunderstood? I'm not talking about Shane's character
@@provoked-_- I'm also talking about conversations Rick has later on about the situation in later volumes.
This was the first time we see Rick doing the whole "A mans only as good as his word" schtick. Whenever he starts doing that, death follows.
Shane's actors version of what he wanted to happen was so much better
People blaming Shane cause she couldn't keep her legs closed, and he fell for her.
What kind of idiot are you?
Shane literally lied to Lori telling her that her Husband died, and then made a Move on her. Then Rick returns and instead of being happy his best friend is back, he goes Crazy because now Carl will never call him Daddy. Shane was weak and Lori had nothing to do with that
It's on Shane, not on Lori
Stop blaming Lori
@@Butterfly_8_Effect you simping or you got a reason?
@@200doubleyou5 Well when Lori found out that Rick was still alive (so that Shane manipulated her), she told Shane to get his distance from her family. And what this jerk did ? He tried to rape her and still talk to her
@@200doubleyou5 And also, Shane always whine because he is not listened to by the others. But by the way he acts with people, he can only blame himself.
Imagine if Lori wasn't around. Shane would have been there for flights he was ABSOLUTELY needed for. He probably would have been killed by Negan over Abraham though.
More like story telling. I am sure his death was planned
They wouldn’t have even been in tht situation tbh
abraham is one of my favorite characters of the show.. you can tell abraham was ready, he was willing to die for everyone there so glenn or maggie could survive for there baby he was postured and standing strong.
@@heystara7318 yeah they would’ve. Shane would’ve went along with the plan to kill the saviors and the outcome would’ve been the same because Shane wasn’t smarter than Rick and Negan managed to outsmart Rick.
i agree, he's the one getting lucilled and of course glen...
Bro took care of Ricks family for 2 weeks and thought he was better 💀
he actually took care of his family for 2 months
@@needmm2godlys555 it was 2 weeks look it up
Honestly it sounded more like “ *I’M A BETTER FATHER THAN YOU WREEEEECK* “ to me lol
No matter what i will still love Shane, the most realistic character
When Shane says you come and "ruin everything" it reminds me of Spencer
Rick didnt just kill him, shane wanted this for rick
"MY CHILDREN CALL YOU DADDY?" i liget Lmao 💀
"Yeah, i remember him. I remember him every day."
I think Shane decided to push Rick to the edge to let Rick feel that rightful anger. Notice how Shane only shot after Rick made his move
What Shane was describing was exactly what Rick was hoping would happen. Shane just couldn’t get over himself.
I most definitely believe this was Rick's first mistake only find out Shane was right. Imagine the challenges Rick and the party go through, how different if Shane was still around
“I thought we worked this all out” the pain in his voice at the realization that he wasn’t his brother anymore
We needed Shane too. It s a shame the only person he taught before he died was andrea, and she became a badass for like a season.
Also Shane and Rick dou would’ve shat in negans mouth. The governor would’ve been too scared to try anything and would’ve befriended Shane’s group at the prison. They needed Woodbury in the long run, the people they encountered after the governor were so much more savage. They could’ve been one of the Allied groups in the end.
Man they fucked Andrea up in the show? She is my favorite character, I've never watched the show... in the comics she's a badass for a long ass time
@@emceehamma3693 they kill her like season 3-4, she just becomes this bad add and then dies
Shane didn’t realize that Rick had already started to adjust to the new world
This literally wasn't acting, this was a real moment in life to me. That's how good this scene was
Holy shit I forgot how brutal that was
Lesson: don't leave your friend in a coma. Just shoot it!
This broke my heart so much.. omg.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
“You, not May! You did this to us! You, not May!”😂😂😂