Mappa overworking staff is not at all surprising because most anime studios do that but making animators sign nda’s to shut them up is beyond evil🤦🏽♂️
Remember the mappa accident it's all start in aot, and mappa start getting better, u all support them, with that back then the animation is Terrible, but all of u say no it's amazing it's 10/10 I read some comments say if u really want support the animator say no to mappa they realese everything to fast and take every anime to much, but yeah people even make thaxmappa hastag for making the animator work to hard and too fast, for that aot accident time always become the excuse we'll we never say u have to release it that year, some people even say rather wait for 4 years for aot, it's also give the animator a good time
Even without the contract, mappa takes overworking to a whole other level though. Who the hell takes up that many projects per year for years?? Mappa is comically evil, don't put it on the same level as other studios.
Ik you mean well It's not ''at least'' it's don't torture them period. They're not slaves, they're workers. I love jjk more then the next guy but the manga and anime space is in need for some serious revamping. I hope these studios get a wake up call
@@Deterioratedhomosapien ik how less they're paid on average in the anime industry, but then why point it out only for mappa? like it's such a common thing that everyone knows then why point it out only for mappa? which is actually paying the most overall. and they aren't being paid that low either that they can literally not live with.
@@Deterioratedhomosapien Lots of people are more or less free-lancers who work for the studio for credibility and exposure. Mappa is demanding they basically working like you're a standard employee. These are the ones you see struggling because the company doesn't HAVE to pay them, because they aren't really employees.
Be for real. Nobody is going to pretend Mappa isn't an incredibly talented studio. When people say "Mappa is the greatest animation studio", morals clearly aren't what is being referred to. What's ACTUALLY crazy is that the CEO's of these companies in Japan don't give a rats ass about such amazing talent enough to respect their basic human needs.
Japanese animators should unionize. It's basically unlivable to be one in japan too I hear. Mappa getting ALL the Major Titles was already suspicious enough.
@@antr9162It's a massive reason why. You aren't supposed to talk to the hand that feeds you whilst also taking in seniority in to account. This system was fine in the 80s when pay was liveable and positions were still lifetime. But since the lost decade has happened, the Japanese economy has never really been healthy since then.
does it matter? i am pretty sure that people can have same opinions. SImilarly to your comment, cannot you writer your own reply, "this comment is copied" is a very used phrase. So, please grow up Timmy, don't be a prick and learn to understand psychology@@TheLegendA51
It's been real, that's why people were making the jokes. It's impossible to produce as much content as Mappa does without practically locking your animators in a dungeon.
Yeah, just *looking* at the animation for Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 is really telling. Like, sometimes the animation is absolutely gorgeous, but other times it's incredibly obvious they were cutting corners. That kind of oscillation in quality doesn't happen unless the animators are both invested in the project and simultaneously being over worked. They're genuinely doing their best and Mappa is trying to rush things as quickly and cheaply as possible with complete disregard for their employees and the quality of their projects.
Actually I think it’s horrible. Compared to season one it’s all flash and no substance. I’m feeling that change in director sooo bad. Or maybe you’re right, maybe it’s not the change from seunghoo park but that they are just not able to keep up anymore.
@@swift-pawedteif386 Oh trust me I have *plenty* of critiques about the animation. The change in art style definitely didn't do the show any favors (The fact that cursed energy is sometimes a generic "Look he's glowing" kind of effect is my least favorite design choice) and this is the most apparent in fight scenes. A lot of the impact in each attack is lost because the animation is smooth when it needs to be snappy or the tension gets thrown off with poor timing. However, the animation is actually really good for casual scenes that have a lot of motion, and some fights like the Mega Mechamaru fight work surprisingly well with the new art style. That being said this season seems to have a lot of "Omg look how attractive this character is!!!" shots that seem to be thrown is specifically to get people online to post about it that come at the expense of the scene's tension or framing. Got to say, don't like that.
can’t we just have a single good animation studio that makes good stuff without abusing its staff. kyoto animations was like the last one to do that and they burned to the ground
Kyoani has been back to making anime for 2 or 3 years now. They still hold schools and mentorship for newer animators as well. Ufotable has also been reported as one of the better places to work.
@@TheNobleFive and the funniest shit for me that i love ufotable,the ceo didnt pay hes taxes to pay hes staff more,and went in jail for that just to pay hes staff.
Instead of treating animators well, they want to use AI to reduce the size of the team and make it cheaper for the studio. Mappa will collapse at one point in some way or another.
The animators are the real talent at that studio, fuck the higher ups making those decisions, they'd be nothing without the animators. So sad to see this type of situation happening everywhere.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Animators are NOT replaceable.. if mappa keeps this up their reputation will be much worse then it already is driving away potential animators. And the company is nothing without them, they are all the talent
Its sad that a lot of anime studios are like this right now. Everytime I see an epic scene in jjk I have to remember how many animators were probably worked to the bone making it and it makes me sick. I hope all the animators recover from this
As an artist myself, it’s beyond depressing to hear this happening. I hope these animators are able to get the rights they need to be able to make a living, and not have to stress themselves to the point of overwork, or terrible illness. Edit: I want to mention, it’s kinda sad that I expected mappa to be treating their animators like this, but to make their animators sign an NDA instead of fixing the problem… like you said, it’s comically evil. Corporate greed never seems to stop surprising me with how low these companies will go to give their workers inhumane treatment.
Even now many people don't know about how much animator have to do to make a animation, the scenes that we don't even notice are drawn 12 to 30 pages of drawing for 1 second !
This one is quite saddening. I once worked at Mappa before, and offered to work on CSM and JJK but I refused exactly because of this. Low salary, tight deadlines, pressure boogaloos, and no bright future even though putting credits on these anime TV shows could boost up one reputation for more work. Decided to play smart than to work hard, switched to other industries, get paid well and get well deserved respect by the team and production staff.
unfortunately, animators in Japan get paid really low, and their working environment is so bad, I heard back then some animators worked 20 hours a day and couldn't go home for a long time, until they had to go to hospital
I thought the whole point of it being a seasonal show was to prevent this and give them years to make each season. I hate to hear stuff like this because JJK S2 has been absolute fire so far and really want to see it continue but i just don't understand why Japanese studios can't just have normal working conditions, like why do deadlines have to be so tight and why do they have to overwork the employees? The fans have literally shown after S1 that we are willing to wait almost any amount of time for this good content, so why not just take as much time as they need to? I don't get this strict scheduling for such a quality production. It's so weird when JJK as an IP is already making so much money.
im not sure about everyone else but id be willing to wait an extra 2 years just to make sure that the animators are getting a reasonable amount of time to work on the anime or just give animators more time for breaks in between.
Wow the best animators that left some big studios years ago because of working conditions and went to Mappa surely couldn't see their talent being exploited once again, right? Right? 😮
I mean, the quality of storytelling in jjk season 2 speaks for itself. Some of the parts are just incomprehensible from a visual storytelling standpoint. If that's not telling us something's wrong with the production line, what else would.
I hope the animators start a riot because they deserve the respect and happinesses that they have provided me all my years of watching anime through their art. It isn’t fair they have to go through these harsh conditions and get so little in return.
Thing is, I love Mappa's product. They really excel at unique storytelling & high quality production, especially for JJK. What I don't get is why the studio breadwinner products like JJK or AoT, which have years of lead time between seasons, can't be manage more efficiently? How Mappa keep monopolizing new projects without adding more staffs, time, or even benefits to animators, baffles me. I understand more when smaller studios are struggle to work within the time crunch as they need to make a name for themselves, have less bargaining power, or even resources. This just shows that Mappa doesn't care about the animators at all unless they are the main figures. Anime fans should also be nicer to animators and more patient because these conditions are direct results of their ranting.
It's even worse since they don't have complete control over the scheduling of their shows because production companies technically own the majority rights to the show so they can control the production of the show and most of the time the animation studios like mappa only get like 10-30% of the total revenue made from the shows depending on how much money they invested on the show, further resulting in underpaying animators if the show fails.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Oh, they make a lot of money actually, but all the money goes to the production commitees and tv station, not the staff that make the anime.
Loss of generational knowledge and skills is probably the great filter posited in the fermi paradox. Its not hard to imagine a world full of people who inherited a civilization they don't have the ability to care for... Especially if AI starts doing everything for us...
Crazy to think that AoT team (department 1) has a stable (or more stable) production schedule now with part 3 and 4 compared to Season 4 part 1 which had similar circumstances to JJK season 2.
I feel weird about this. As an artist I don't think it's the "environment" it's the condition. I remember hearing how common ulcers were in crunch culture. I'm suffering from an ulcer right now. It's absolutely DEBILITATING. Stressing the human body to its very limits without properly nourishing it is abuse. And rest and routine are forms of care. So they are absolutely right that the conditions are bad and causing harm. But I want to stress that a clean work station and office is not required to make great animations, it just depends on the person. For me, a clean room or office makes me nervous and distracts me. I how these employees get the schedules and the time off they deserve.
I want to become an animator when I grow up, so I really truly with all my heart, hope that the working conditions improve, my physical condition is not the best so I hope the conditions for animators change for the better
How can they treat animators like this? They are so talented and do great work. This makes absolutely NO sense. How can they do their best work under such poor working conditions?
This isn’t just a Mappa problem. It’s an animation industry problem. And it’s not just in Japan. It’s a worldwide problem. Until someone can get a better system going that is beneficial to both the workers and managers, this will spiral out of control. Animators need to make a deal or AI gets the upper hand.
This is why I am grateful when ever a studio tells the truth. Yeah people got angry when Naruto new anime got delayed, but at lease the truth was told.
give them as much time as they need. I will speak for a lot of people, atleast 10, that just want the animators to be comfortable and do their best work in the best conditions. PLEASE let these people work and live not live in work.
If the place you are thinking of working at wants you to sign an NDA seriously consider looking for something else. Those contracts make it easier for employees to be abused and not be able to casually speak about it...
I’m willing to wait as long as these wonderful artists are still able to rest, and have them be able to enjoy their craft. It’s disheartening to see artists slowly loose their passion for their craft and not being able to show their best because they are exhausted 😭
MAPPA is just a more extreme example of the business model of the anime world in Japan, where the industry heavily depends on freelancers but at the same time, treats them poorly (or like some, dirt, or even worse than dirt). We all love Kyoani. I am a great fan too. But at the same time, I am also curious why all the female directors (those who have gone on to head a series, or like Fujita Haruka, almost there) have left Kyoani and gone off to work somewhere else. For a studio that is known for employing women and treating them well, I would expect a better retention of key staff like series directors.
yep but you got to consider, animation is often if not always a different department than layout, and often Animation is the hardest department in a production, im taking about tv series and movies. (I know for the people dont know about these jobs it might be similar) but the work load in these departments is totally different, both in 2d and 3d.
That's why always appreciate animators when they produce quality work like these. I'm really tired of seeing people get up their asses, sending death threats, when these animators are worked to the bone. To the minute that they have to publish the episode. It's a terrible practice, and it sets a bad standard that gets normalized and encourages abuse in creative production. I also see some people say they should unionize. They do have an anime union called Japan Animation Creators Association or "JAniCA," but the experience has left many to feel hopeless which is unfortunate. Thing is, the make up of animation studios are heavily reliant on freelancers as well as independent studios. They don't have set wages. A lot of the budget is already determined without the anime studios input. Even if animators were to collectively determine their wages and set salaries, companies can outsource work and seek out animators who will take the job for low pay as some simply want to animate despite conditions. This makes it hard to come together. It's not their fault for wanting to add to their portfolio by working for massive studios, but it doesn't take away the clear mistreatment. I'm hoping some groups of animators will find big names to fight for their behalf. You can only do so much when you're a collective who doesn't have their foot in the door in the bigger part of the industry, so I'm happy to hear that there are veteran animators are speaking out. I hope directors are joining in as well.
Given how the fanbase of a certain popular anime sent MAPPA's animators death threats cause the execs changed animation studio's, it's not surprising their animators would be overworked. The NDA stuff need some official government investigation and some steep fines to the suits that wrote them.
jjk season 2 production always has been fated to crash. Keisuke Seshimo's production pipeline passed through the cycle of JJK to CSM and back to JJK, with a lot of staff overlap, even to the prior TGoH w/ the director Seong-Hu Park. While Manabu Otsuka is taking way too many projects than the studio should, the producers also want to push JJK to a certain release date. It's just a shit situation overall, with each following MAPPA project stacked on top of each other, the working conditions were doomed deliberately. Jigokuraku took the fall in terms of animation quality, and so far, JJK's been pretty good but that's only because it had a stacked team working on it in the first place.
Still just 10-11 episodes in to JJK 2, we will mostly see the backlash in animation towards later episodes for why they needed a 3 week break, etc. Right now its been pretty subpar and nothing exceptional from an animation standpoint.
@WieldMyWord Subpar? Unless you only mean Shibuya Incident arc (which in fairness is still arguable for some scenes) and not what they had for Gojo's Past arc I'd probably agree. If not, hard disagree. Episodes 1-5 of season 2 was the strongest JJK has ever been visually. 6-10 hasn't had the best but it stayed consistent and there were still some creative stylistic choices with the presentation such as with yuji talking about "Human Earthworm 4", iirc Mechamaru's "Pigeon Voila" on Mahito, the dreamlike filter when Kenjaku discussed sealing Gojo (one over a game of what i think is mahjong and another on a playground.) and many more. Tho while I could see why someone would be less impressed with post 3 week break in comparison, jjk season 2's been incredible visually so far, barring, of course, the times where ghosting post-production was added due to potential epilepsy and the laws needed in Japanese TV broadcasts.
@@joshuukun Gojo's past arc had some issues, where sometimes it went high in quality to derp moments (artifacts in some of the 3D shots, low detailes some places), but I agree its better than what is now in terms of animation. "creative stylistic choices with the presentation" human earthworm 4 was just cringe gag, I don't watch jjk for the humor as there is other shows doing that a lot better. The pigeon voila was just epilepsy with all the dimming and ghosting, even then its mostly pop-up storyboard animation with Mahito changing forms. The fact we can see problems already now with the animation and the storyboarding in Shibuya Incident arc, means there are coming more up. Episode 11 ended very abruptly which is an indication there are production issues going on. Its not suprising considering they had an short production time for 23 episodes, and given that the animators are complaining now further emphasises there are something wrong going on. Ofcourse animation is not everything when it comes to an anime, some issues I have with S2 JJK is the justification of how Geto became bad/evil in the Gojo past arc. Given the information that was told it seems forced how Geto went with his justification to kill non-sorcerers, when obviously his main issue was the "Star religious group" that was in his way. Now I dont blame Mappa for this as its a manga problem rather than anime.
@WieldMyWord I'd argue the chibi moments on Gojo's Past arc were a conscious decision rather than a sign of animation issues, unnless you're referring somethine else to the "derp moments," in which case, I'm stumped. I guess that one moment when Gojo turns around and Toji is about to stab him? That episode's director prioritized movement and animation over character design consistency anyway, and they delivered. Then again, there's Arifumi Imai directing the episode after that, which had really strong character drawings that balance things out. It's the creative freedom the animators have that I enjoy for sakuga, which was the complete opposite for the CSM anime for example, which ran strictly on Ryu Nakayama's cinematic vision, while that's good in itself and all. Dislike the Human Earthworm scene or not, going through the cinematic aspect of it was going the extra mile, same with the Pigeon Voila scene, while ruined by all the ghosting post-production for the broadcasting laws, the key animation still shows impressive feats from the animators that went beyond the manga for the adaptation. Even the first scene with Mei Mei and Utahime in the haunted house was all solid, with the exposition of the house too, that wasn't even present in the pages. Especially the visual flair of putting flashbacks in windows/glass (i.e. Gojo explaining his technique, Yuko and Geto discussing Toji) all showed the animators flexing their creative prowess. While JJK season 2 had ultimately fucked schedule and all, and even if you prefer season 1, there is some objectively good feats they've accomplished despite it that even surpasses the first. (the compositing, for example. it was gnarly on the first season.)
@@joshuukun I know the chibi thing is a comedy thing, but it comes in conflict with other styles like its trying to be Bocchi the rock or something. You have one place where gojo crush a can of soda, you don't see him using curse on that object as it just got crushed without him putting force on it (might be an animation error), some uneven time framing in the first episode. The haunted house had better animation due to it being partly rotoscoping (heavy referencing), maybe the Utahime scared scene after the rats was wierdly handled, but other than that its fine. However normally the first episode tends to be higher quality and care than what comes after. The fact we are noticing issues now means we are closer to their production time, which means we are going to see some sloppy work down the line. The only exception are going to be if there is a big end fight or something or highlight (I am only anime watcher). The composition is almost the same, they have trouble blending 3d elements (just look at the background in some scenes when there are movements), you can see it doesn't track the characters properly from where they standand, other than that a lot of it is just subjective. "Especially the visual flair of putting flashbacks in windows/glass (i.e. Gojo explaining his technique, Yuko and Geto discussing Toji) all showed the animators flexing their creative prowess." That is not flexing, its just being pretentious, JJK is not alone in adding stuff to scenes, the problem is when its overwhelmed with exposition dump (people have to read subtitles too). Also personally JJK has one of the worst power system as its insanely vague and dependent, and it doesn't help when someone can ass pull out moves (common trope) from nowhere to counter another.
i am currently working on a movie myself its a indian film that got its trailer out today i am currently a student i paid to work for this movie i dont get paid anything i get only sundays for myself and i work almost 12 hours every day my health is been ignored for the longest time i have kidney stones and no one cares i get yelled for taking a leave this is how bad the industry is i wish to quit so badly and this video is something i can relate to soo much mind yall i am just a student i dont know much about work ik i am being exploited but its ok as long as i am learning something..... no i am not barely learning any thing new 😭
I wish there were more studios that value their employees as much as KyoAni does or that KyoAni would want to expand and hire those ill-treated animators. Also, with that many anime enjoyers all over the world, there needs to be a way for people working their butts off to produce banger after banger to capitalize on that in the bypass of their greedy employers
People are caring now 'cause we're talking about JJK season 2 like one of the biggest shows right now if not the biggest already...Can't the studio at least give the animators their miminal rights for a maximum work of perfection on the most buzzed anime of the year...This is too much honestly , anime fans should boycott mappa studio at this point.
Thats sad, i hope they give the animators more time to animate and raise their salary, because for me jjk season 2 looks like it was rushed because the animator does not have much time and schedule to animate, and i hope they re animate jjk season 2😢.
As a business major it's clear to see Kyoani has adopted a more Americanized business practice in the workplace. More or less decentralized authority, mentorships. It should be adopted as it's been proven in multiple businesses that these things empower animators to be more creative and outside the box which is PERFECT for animators! Mappa is doing this because of Japans lack of laws and checks and balances, but more importantly because of their massive cultural conseuqnces. It's very taboo to go against culture and tradition where in America it's not.
I shudder to think at the workload these poor people have, I can only think of the office from Zom 100 as a frame of reference and it doesnt seem too far off...
I was a die hard of JJK.I was curious about the star plasma vessel name Yuki Tsukomo didn't merge with Tengen,even if in the first place failed to Riko also the star plasma vessel.HOPING YOU NOTICE ME IN THE NEXT VIDEO THIS IS SO PRETTY INSANE
I've spoken to actual layout/storyboard artist myself. They dont really give details that much and i don't pry alot. BUT i imagine itss wayyyy simplier for layout artist to say "my work with them is amazing" if they don't evem have to clean up, color, draw in extensive detail, compositing and all the other meticulous things that comes along animation frame by frame. Its more difficult when an artstyle is too detailed if you're a layout artist you're not expected to do detailed drawing as key animators does. Thats why you can tell Nobili said "they worked on my shot to the last second" because he was empathetic. Meanwhile Amphibi was just thinking about his "own experience"
Interesting. See, I think it’s interesting that the conditions are so horrible, but at the same time, Mappa has consistently put out some really good stuff. JJK season 2 has been pretty crazy so far
The biggest red flag from Mappa for me was back when they announced they were going to pick up AoT where WIT left off. While that itself isn't bad, it was the fact that they also announced a bunch of other projects they were going to do at the same time. All of which combined into what looked like a hellish amount of work.
they seem to be picking up another massive title every year. i cant help but feel that mappa isnt gonna be able to keep up with this output for much longer before it collapses.
if this seems to continue then i would not be surprised if the animators just become frustrated with their work and just give up on animating. in my opinion this would probably decrease the quality of the animation MAPPA is providing us with. Its still not too late, if they still do not improve their work conditions then they are digging their own grave.
That one guy saying "it didn't happen to me so it doesn't count" quite possibly shows the hierarchy in place. The ones at the top will never even see the blood of those they step on.
I'm a 2D animator in france, here animators often complains about salary get lower over the years and studios exploiting young animators passion about this work. We also complain about working so much extra hours sometimes to meet non-human deadlines that tends to get worse each years (Each of those problems has an explanation and origins and solutions but it's an other subject for an other time) What I want people to understand is in French animation industry those are real problems (impacting people physical and mental health for instance) But at the same time, we have a lot of advantages Japanese animators would only dream of. Both point of views are valid in my opinion, without denying some people suffering and will to see their situation getting better. And also appreciating some sides as health insurance, unemployment help, studios being okay with giving you holydays and rearranging deadlines sometimes, etc etc Last week I discovered 2 of my old workmates had faintness and stroke issues during production because of overwork and stress. This is just France, now imagine what it is in Japan. Good luck, you're probably understimating how bad it is.
I might be a little too competitive or masochistic or whatever else you yourself can come up with to associate me with for what I am about to say, but this sort of thing hypes me up about my own future. If I were to work as a corporate slave and fight against the tides of inhumane work schedules by becoming SO SKILLED to the point that I am able to produce monstrous levels of content with ease, not feeling like the slavery conditions are shackles but are the BARE MINIMUM of effort when it comes to my standard of working, then just imagine how cool that would be! This isn’t satirical, I genuinely see excitement in this idealistic expectation I have for myself. Of course, there is a difference between what you imagine and actually going through an experience first hand - I would know, I was a corporate slave for the past 2 years and suffered the worst I have ever suffered in my life and would never like to go through those sleepless nights again -, however, with fresh eyes and confidence in what CAN be possible, even if I’m not capable of these things just yet, is what gets me trying again and again and again to one day be as otherworldly and monstrously skilful and cool as my ideal self!! So… I’m definitely going to try and work for MAPPA in the future, (maybe. I’m still buffing out on the details on what next step I should take in my life, for all I know is that right now, I really want to ‘git gud’ - dark souls meme reference).
Trust me, as someone who thought being a god tier worker would sway things in an industry, it doesnt. Youll get used and spat out when you become too much for their status quo.
I wanted to study college in Japan and move there as a kid not because of anime but because I knew how developed the nation is. I'm glad I went with the US, cuz even with the whole immigration and visa sponsorship drama, it's way better than Japan. Heck, even working in India is leagues better if you got a college degree.
I am just sad cause i know what JJK season 2 could have been and what it is at this very moment,disgusting animation and you can't even tell whats going on most of the time like its been cut 21312423 times....
@@Notaurox What do i mean ? The episodes are pathetic,first minute of the fight in that episode you just mention was watchable,the rest is hot garbage you can't even clearly see whats going on,the animation of characters is laughable,i think we got pranked or something...
I have a feeling that the working conditions are standard for any job with high demands and these new genz animators are just finding this to bitch about
So why do people keep watching and supporting their anime productions? Everyone keeps rambling how this is a known thing, but everyone also doesn't give two shits and enjoys the productions. So quick to cancel some things, but when it's stuff people actively enjoy, they drink their own piss.
The consumer mindset has ruined us all. People are horrified by the conditions of animals in the meat and diary industries, yet they would eat animal products without a remorse. People are disgusted by the exploitation that Third World countries experience because of the greed of the First World, yet they wouldn't give up their 2 dollars Shein t-shirts. Actions speak louder than thoughts and prayers, people.
hey guys i plan on interviewing some jjk animators for a future vid! follow me on twitter to stay updated!! twitter.com/YimanStyle
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as much i love seeing jjk episodes animated i dont chew that the beautiful im seeing is suffers other people and really guilts me as fan
Mappa overworking staff is not at all surprising because most anime studios do that but making animators sign nda’s to shut them up is beyond evil🤦🏽♂️
As if we didn't know those practices happen all the time
Fr mappa ain't the outlier here
Remember the mappa accident it's all start in aot, and mappa start getting better, u all support them, with that back then the animation is Terrible, but all of u say no it's amazing it's 10/10 I read some comments say if u really want support the animator say no to mappa they realese everything to fast and take every anime to much, but yeah people even make thaxmappa hastag for making the animator work to hard and too fast, for that aot accident time always become the excuse we'll we never say u have to release it that year, some people even say rather wait for 4 years for aot, it's also give the animator a good time
@@zefanyaraysanevadalaput7371 i dont know about aot it was average but csm was actually well animated
Even without the contract, mappa takes overworking to a whole other level though. Who the hell takes up that many projects per year for years?? Mappa is comically evil, don't put it on the same level as other studios.
This is beyond sad, if your going to torture your own staff, atleast pay them a wage they can actually live on, its disgusting.
Isn't mappa the 2nd highest paying studio after toei in Japan? Like are they being paid low wages like others too?
@@cluster4583Yes, higher than most but still very low for how much they make their workers work
Ik you mean well It's not ''at least'' it's don't torture them period. They're not slaves, they're workers. I love jjk more then the next guy but the manga and anime space is in need for some serious revamping. I hope these studios get a wake up call
@@Deterioratedhomosapien ik how less they're paid on average in the anime industry, but then why point it out only for mappa? like it's such a common thing that everyone knows then why point it out only for mappa? which is actually paying the most overall. and they aren't being paid that low either that they can literally not live with.
@@Deterioratedhomosapien Lots of people are more or less free-lancers who work for the studio for credibility and exposure. Mappa is demanding they basically working like you're a standard employee. These are the ones you see struggling because the company doesn't HAVE to pay them, because they aren't really employees.
We've known Mappa's been like this for years now, its crazy to see so many people holding them up as the greatest animation studio rn
Because they are. That doesn't mean they're good people though
@@Radiomen_IV"greatest animation studio?" Lmao
Be for real. Nobody is going to pretend Mappa isn't an incredibly talented studio. When people say "Mappa is the greatest animation studio", morals clearly aren't what is being referred to. What's ACTUALLY crazy is that the CEO's of these companies in Japan don't give a rats ass about such amazing talent enough to respect their basic human needs.
if we are talking bout quality then they are @@gamebond6248
@@gamebond6248 yes
Japanese animators should unionize. It's basically unlivable to be one in japan too I hear. Mappa getting ALL the Major Titles was already suspicious enough.
They'd probably lose their jobs if they did that
@@KiyoKami_They can learn a thing or two from sag aftra.
I think japans culture is the reason why it hasn’t happened yet
Southern cultures and any sort of personal freedom lmao
@@antr9162It's a massive reason why. You aren't supposed to talk to the hand that feeds you whilst also taking in seniority in to account. This system was fine in the 80s when pay was liveable and positions were still lifetime. But since the lost decade has happened, the Japanese economy has never really been healthy since then.
I hope Japanese animators and artist can unionize. I know it's probably scary, as they make them feel disposable, but it's not worth their health.
i hope you could not copy a comment?
does it matter? i am pretty sure that people can have same opinions. SImilarly to your comment, cannot you writer your own reply, "this comment is copied" is a very used phrase. So, please grow up Timmy, don't be a prick and learn to understand psychology@@TheLegendA51
@@TheLegendA51 This guy highlights a great point about this mess and all you're worried about is the fact it might be copied??
Bro think japan ar hollywood 😂 can solve any problems by protest 😂😂😂😂 here come woke and shit 😂
fax some people got a goofy ahh head on them shoulders@@FlameSlayer1901
The mappa animators being held captive meme is starting to become real 💀
It's been real, that's why people were making the jokes. It's impossible to produce as much content as Mappa does without practically locking your animators in a dungeon.
Yeah, just *looking* at the animation for Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 is really telling. Like, sometimes the animation is absolutely gorgeous, but other times it's incredibly obvious they were cutting corners. That kind of oscillation in quality doesn't happen unless the animators are both invested in the project and simultaneously being over worked. They're genuinely doing their best and Mappa is trying to rush things as quickly and cheaply as possible with complete disregard for their employees and the quality of their projects.
Actually I think it’s horrible. Compared to season one it’s all flash and no substance.
I’m feeling that change in director sooo bad. Or maybe you’re right, maybe it’s not the change from seunghoo park but that they are just not able to keep up anymore.
@@swift-pawedteif386
Oh trust me I have *plenty* of critiques about the animation. The change in art style definitely didn't do the show any favors (The fact that cursed energy is sometimes a generic "Look he's glowing" kind of effect is my least favorite design choice) and this is the most apparent in fight scenes. A lot of the impact in each attack is lost because the animation is smooth when it needs to be snappy or the tension gets thrown off with poor timing. However, the animation is actually really good for casual scenes that have a lot of motion, and some fights like the Mega Mechamaru fight work surprisingly well with the new art style.
That being said this season seems to have a lot of "Omg look how attractive this character is!!!" shots that seem to be thrown is specifically to get people online to post about it that come at the expense of the scene's tension or framing. Got to say, don't like that.
both of theese replies are wrong because i feel like it
@@swift-pawedteif386either way, I feel bad because the animation could be a lot better if Mappa just treated their animators right
can’t we just have a single good animation studio that makes good stuff without abusing its staff. kyoto animations was like the last one to do that and they burned to the ground
Kyoani has been back to making anime for 2 or 3 years now. They still hold schools and mentorship for newer animators as well. Ufotable has also been reported as one of the better places to work.
@@TheNobleFive and the funniest shit for me that i love ufotable,the ceo didnt pay hes taxes to pay hes staff more,and went in jail for that just to pay hes staff.
i think there's wit but look what happened to them now
WIT Studio and Ufotable, these are two studios i know that has a good environment and scedule for the animators
Except Ufotable didn’t pay taxes lol😂
Instead of treating animators well, they want to use AI to reduce the size of the team and make it cheaper for the studio.
Mappa will collapse at one point in some way or another.
All the big studios are always on the verge of collapsing, especially this day in age.
I wonder if it just applies to mappa or does it apply to other studios like ufotable or toei
amen
@@psychic-friend-toy-freddythe higher the quality the poorer the working conditions. I'm sure Ufotable is no different
@@TheSiZaGaming I can agree and it must be a pain for the animators working on demon slayer
At this point... i don't even know what's going on with Mappa..💀💀
they seem to always try to +1 their exploitative behavior
@@Yiman yeah... just like in Zom 100..💀
The animators are stuck in the dungeon
The animators are the real talent at that studio, fuck the higher ups making those decisions, they'd be nothing without the animators. So sad to see this type of situation happening everywhere.
Animators are replaceable. Maybe people should be more worried about making themselves less so
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 the ignoranus is strong with this one
@@elliesart_ then why did you comment if you have a surplus of chromosomes?
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271the animators are the backbone. Without them the company is nothing.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Animators are NOT replaceable.. if mappa keeps this up their reputation will be much worse then it already is driving away potential animators. And the company is nothing without them, they are all the talent
Its sad that a lot of anime studios are like this right now. Everytime I see an epic scene in jjk I have to remember how many animators were probably worked to the bone making it and it makes me sick. I hope all the animators recover from this
As an artist myself, it’s beyond depressing to hear this happening. I hope these animators are able to get the rights they need to be able to make a living, and not have to stress themselves to the point of overwork, or terrible illness.
Edit: I want to mention, it’s kinda sad that I expected mappa to be treating their animators like this, but to make their animators sign an NDA instead of fixing the problem… like you said, it’s comically evil. Corporate greed never seems to stop surprising me with how low these companies will go to give their workers inhumane treatment.
Then don't work for a corporation
Even now many people don't know about how much animator have to do to make a animation, the scenes that we don't even notice are drawn 12 to 30 pages of drawing for 1 second !
24 frames per second
This one is quite saddening. I once worked at Mappa before, and offered to work on CSM and JJK but I refused exactly because of this. Low salary, tight deadlines, pressure boogaloos, and no bright future even though putting credits on these anime TV shows could boost up one reputation for more work. Decided to play smart than to work hard, switched to other industries, get paid well and get well deserved respect by the team and production staff.
its so sad how the animators are treated between the toxic fanbases and horrible treatment from the studios them selves.
If the eyes of AOT final season's director wasn't enough.
his before and after pic is even worse than president obamas before and after pic
Believe it or not aot now has the best schedule among all the mappa anime😂😭.Dividing it into a bizillion parts made the difference 🫡
unfortunately, animators in Japan get paid really low, and their working environment is so bad, I heard back then some animators worked 20 hours a day and couldn't go home for a long time, until they had to go to hospital
I thought the whole point of it being a seasonal show was to prevent this and give them years to make each season. I hate to hear stuff like this because JJK S2 has been absolute fire so far and really want to see it continue but i just don't understand why Japanese studios can't just have normal working conditions, like why do deadlines have to be so tight and why do they have to overwork the employees? The fans have literally shown after S1 that we are willing to wait almost any amount of time for this good content, so why not just take as much time as they need to? I don't get this strict scheduling for such a quality production. It's so weird when JJK as an IP is already making so much money.
im not sure about everyone else but id be willing to wait an extra 2 years just to make sure that the animators are getting a reasonable amount of time to work on the anime or just give animators more time for breaks in between.
Thanks for covering this I love documentary style videos like this keep up the great work
A lot more money is made from manga and merchandise than anime so it's not surprising. Because the cost of production is not even comparable.
A change has to happen for MAPPA eventually.
Wow the best animators that left some big studios years ago because of working conditions and went to Mappa surely couldn't see their talent being exploited once again, right? Right? 😮
Japanese animators, and honestly any animator should be payed extremely well and given love and support for all they do. They are amazing.
I mean, the quality of storytelling in jjk season 2 speaks for itself. Some of the parts are just incomprehensible from a visual storytelling standpoint. If that's not telling us something's wrong with the production line, what else would.
Man this is sad they spend their time working doing what they love, but get overwork and can't even talk about it
I hope the animators start a riot because they deserve the respect and happinesses that they have provided me all my years of watching anime through their art. It isn’t fair they have to go through these harsh conditions and get so little in return.
Thing is, I love Mappa's product. They really excel at unique storytelling & high quality production, especially for JJK. What I don't get is why the studio breadwinner products like JJK or AoT, which have years of lead time between seasons, can't be manage more efficiently?
How Mappa keep monopolizing new projects without adding more staffs, time, or even benefits to animators, baffles me. I understand more when smaller studios are struggle to work within the time crunch as they need to make a name for themselves, have less bargaining power, or even resources. This just shows that Mappa doesn't care about the animators at all unless they are the main figures.
Anime fans should also be nicer to animators and more patient because these conditions are direct results of their ranting.
Because animation doesn't make anywhere near the money people think it does
It's even worse since they don't have complete control over the scheduling of their shows because production companies technically own the majority rights to the show so they can control the production of the show and most of the time the animation studios like mappa only get like 10-30% of the total revenue made from the shows depending on how much money they invested on the show, further resulting in underpaying animators if the show fails.
they constantly rely on freelancers, its mainly the higher ups that are being worked to the bone, like PA's en directors.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Oh, they make a lot of money actually, but all the money goes to the production commitees and tv station, not the staff that make the anime.
Hope one day for these guys to unionize or something like that. Its sad that they have to take shit like this
Fuck unions. They'd all be out of a job
Loss of generational knowledge and skills is probably the great filter posited in the fermi paradox.
Its not hard to imagine a world full of people who inherited a civilization they don't have the ability to care for...
Especially if AI starts doing everything for us...
Crazy to think that AoT team (department 1) has a stable (or more stable) production schedule now with part 3 and 4 compared to Season 4 part 1 which had similar circumstances to JJK season 2.
I feel weird about this. As an artist I don't think it's the "environment" it's the condition. I remember hearing how common ulcers were in crunch culture. I'm suffering from an ulcer right now. It's absolutely DEBILITATING. Stressing the human body to its very limits without properly nourishing it is abuse. And rest and routine are forms of care. So they are absolutely right that the conditions are bad and causing harm. But I want to stress that a clean work station and office is not required to make great animations, it just depends on the person. For me, a clean room or office makes me nervous and distracts me. I how these employees get the schedules and the time off they deserve.
5:19 That demon hand think its slick.
that's messed up man,sending love to all animators who experiencing this.
every worried about MAPPA but never donate those hard working animators
I want to become an animator when I grow up, so I really truly with all my heart, hope that the working conditions improve, my physical condition is not the best so I hope the conditions for animators change for the better
How can they treat animators like this? They are so talented and do great work. This makes absolutely NO sense. How can they do their best work under such poor working conditions?
I hate the kind of people who hate on the animation for being "bad" in a episode when they literally suffering.
This isn’t just a Mappa problem. It’s an animation industry problem. And it’s not just in Japan. It’s a worldwide problem. Until someone can get a better system going that is beneficial to both the workers and managers, this will spiral out of control. Animators need to make a deal or AI gets the upper hand.
This is why I am grateful when ever a studio tells the truth. Yeah people got angry when Naruto new anime got delayed, but at lease the truth was told.
What new Naruto anime?
@@The-Beyonder a naruto 20th anniversary special.
give them as much time as they need. I will speak for a lot of people, atleast 10, that just want the animators to be comfortable and do their best work in the best conditions. PLEASE let these people work and live not live in work.
If the place you are thinking of working at wants you to sign an NDA seriously consider looking for something else.
Those contracts make it easier for employees to be abused and not be able to casually speak about it...
I’m willing to wait as long as these wonderful artists are still able to rest, and have them be able to enjoy their craft. It’s disheartening to see artists slowly loose their passion for their craft and not being able to show their best because they are exhausted 😭
Yeah at this point jjk2 was so fire that i didnt expect anything else
MAPPA is just a more extreme example of the business model of the anime world in Japan, where the industry heavily depends on freelancers but at the same time, treats them poorly (or like some, dirt, or even worse than dirt).
We all love Kyoani. I am a great fan too.
But at the same time, I am also curious why all the female directors (those who have gone on to head a series, or like Fujita Haruka, almost there) have left Kyoani and gone off to work somewhere else. For a studio that is known for employing women and treating them well, I would expect a better retention of key staff like series directors.
yep but you got to consider, animation is often if not always a different department than layout, and often Animation is the hardest department in a production, im taking about tv series and movies. (I know for the people dont know about these jobs it might be similar) but the work load in these departments is totally different, both in 2d and 3d.
That's why always appreciate animators when they produce quality work like these. I'm really tired of seeing people get up their asses, sending death threats, when these animators are worked to the bone. To the minute that they have to publish the episode. It's a terrible practice, and it sets a bad standard that gets normalized and encourages abuse in creative production.
I also see some people say they should unionize. They do have an anime union called Japan Animation Creators Association or "JAniCA," but the experience has left many to feel hopeless which is unfortunate. Thing is, the make up of animation studios are heavily reliant on freelancers as well as independent studios. They don't have set wages. A lot of the budget is already determined without the anime studios input. Even if animators were to collectively determine their wages and set salaries, companies can outsource work and seek out animators who will take the job for low pay as some simply want to animate despite conditions. This makes it hard to come together. It's not their fault for wanting to add to their portfolio by working for massive studios, but it doesn't take away the clear mistreatment. I'm hoping some groups of animators will find big names to fight for their behalf. You can only do so much when you're a collective who doesn't have their foot in the door in the bigger part of the industry, so I'm happy to hear that there are veteran animators are speaking out. I hope directors are joining in as well.
Given how the fanbase of a certain popular anime sent MAPPA's animators death threats cause the execs changed animation studio's, it's not surprising their animators would be overworked. The NDA stuff need some official government investigation and some steep fines to the suits that wrote them.
jjk season 2 production always has been fated to crash. Keisuke Seshimo's production pipeline passed through the cycle of JJK to CSM and back to JJK, with a lot of staff overlap, even to the prior TGoH w/ the director Seong-Hu Park. While Manabu Otsuka is taking way too many projects than the studio should, the producers also want to push JJK to a certain release date. It's just a shit situation overall, with each following MAPPA project stacked on top of each other, the working conditions were doomed deliberately. Jigokuraku took the fall in terms of animation quality, and so far, JJK's been pretty good but that's only because it had a stacked team working on it in the first place.
Still just 10-11 episodes in to JJK 2, we will mostly see the backlash in animation towards later episodes for why they needed a 3 week break, etc. Right now its been pretty subpar and nothing exceptional from an animation standpoint.
@WieldMyWord Subpar? Unless you only mean Shibuya Incident arc (which in fairness is still arguable for some scenes) and not what they had for Gojo's Past arc I'd probably agree. If not, hard disagree. Episodes 1-5 of season 2 was the strongest JJK has ever been visually. 6-10 hasn't had the best but it stayed consistent and there were still some creative stylistic choices with the presentation such as with yuji talking about "Human Earthworm 4", iirc Mechamaru's "Pigeon Voila" on Mahito, the dreamlike filter when Kenjaku discussed sealing Gojo (one over a game of what i think is mahjong and another on a playground.) and many more.
Tho while I could see why someone would be less impressed with post 3 week break in comparison, jjk season 2's been incredible visually so far, barring, of course, the times where ghosting post-production was added due to potential epilepsy and the laws needed in Japanese TV broadcasts.
@@joshuukun Gojo's past arc had some issues, where sometimes it went high in quality to derp moments (artifacts in some of the 3D shots, low detailes some places), but I agree its better than what is now in terms of animation.
"creative stylistic choices with the presentation"
human earthworm 4 was just cringe gag, I don't watch jjk for the humor as there is other shows doing that a lot better. The pigeon voila was just epilepsy with all the dimming and ghosting, even then its mostly pop-up storyboard animation with Mahito changing forms.
The fact we can see problems already now with the animation and the storyboarding in Shibuya Incident arc, means there are coming more up. Episode 11 ended very abruptly which is an indication there are production issues going on. Its not suprising considering they had an short production time for 23 episodes, and given that the animators are complaining now further emphasises there are something wrong going on.
Ofcourse animation is not everything when it comes to an anime, some issues I have with S2 JJK is the justification of how Geto became bad/evil in the Gojo past arc. Given the information that was told it seems forced how Geto went with his justification to kill non-sorcerers, when obviously his main issue was the "Star religious group" that was in his way. Now I dont blame Mappa for this as its a manga problem rather than anime.
@WieldMyWord I'd argue the chibi moments on Gojo's Past arc were a conscious decision rather than a sign of animation issues, unnless you're referring somethine else to the "derp moments," in which case, I'm stumped. I guess that one moment when Gojo turns around and Toji is about to stab him? That episode's director prioritized movement and animation over character design consistency anyway, and they delivered. Then again, there's Arifumi Imai directing the episode after that, which had really strong character drawings that balance things out. It's the creative freedom the animators have that I enjoy for sakuga, which was the complete opposite for the CSM anime for example, which ran strictly on Ryu Nakayama's cinematic vision, while that's good in itself and all.
Dislike the Human Earthworm scene or not, going through the cinematic aspect of it was going the extra mile, same with the Pigeon Voila scene, while ruined by all the ghosting post-production for the broadcasting laws, the key animation still shows impressive feats from the animators that went beyond the manga for the adaptation. Even the first scene with Mei Mei and Utahime in the haunted house was all solid, with the exposition of the house too, that wasn't even present in the pages. Especially the visual flair of putting flashbacks in windows/glass (i.e. Gojo explaining his technique, Yuko and Geto discussing Toji) all showed the animators flexing their creative prowess.
While JJK season 2 had ultimately fucked schedule and all, and even if you prefer season 1, there is some objectively good feats they've accomplished despite it that even surpasses the first. (the compositing, for example. it was gnarly on the first season.)
@@joshuukun I know the chibi thing is a comedy thing, but it comes in conflict with other styles like its trying to be Bocchi the rock or something. You have one place where gojo crush a can of soda, you don't see him using curse on that object as it just got crushed without him putting force on it (might be an animation error), some uneven time framing in the first episode. The haunted house had better animation due to it being partly rotoscoping (heavy referencing), maybe the Utahime scared scene after the rats was wierdly handled, but other than that its fine.
However normally the first episode tends to be higher quality and care than what comes after. The fact we are noticing issues now means we are closer to their production time, which means we are going to see some sloppy work down the line. The only exception are going to be if there is a big end fight or something or highlight (I am only anime watcher).
The composition is almost the same, they have trouble blending 3d elements (just look at the background in some scenes when there are movements), you can see it doesn't track the characters properly from where they standand, other than that a lot of it is just subjective.
"Especially the visual flair of putting flashbacks in windows/glass (i.e. Gojo explaining his technique, Yuko and Geto discussing Toji) all showed the animators flexing their creative prowess."
That is not flexing, its just being pretentious, JJK is not alone in adding stuff to scenes, the problem is when its overwhelmed with exposition dump (people have to read subtitles too). Also personally JJK has one of the worst power system as its insanely vague and dependent, and it doesn't help when someone can ass pull out moves (common trope) from nowhere to counter another.
it's not surprising about overworked animators on animation studio, but mappa handle it terribly
That's because MAPPA handled 3-5 big project at the same time, which is totally insane and probably unheard of.
@@vogel2499 i know about mappa handling a lot of animation, and they tend to take more animator from my country. which is insane
Working conditions in japan are bad..... im not suprised, sigh 😢
Hopefully they make all Mappa projects to another studio like ufotable smth
i am currently working on a movie myself its a indian film that got its trailer out today i am currently a student i paid to work for this movie i dont get paid anything i get only sundays for myself and i work almost 12 hours every day my health is been ignored for the longest time i have kidney stones and no one cares i get yelled for taking a leave this is how bad the industry is i wish to quit so badly and this video is something i can relate to soo much mind yall i am just a student i dont know much about work ik i am being exploited but its ok as long as i am learning something..... no i am not barely learning any thing new 😭
I wish there were more studios that value their employees as much as KyoAni does or that KyoAni would want to expand and hire those ill-treated animators.
Also, with that many anime enjoyers all over the world, there needs to be a way for people working their butts off to produce banger after banger to capitalize on that in the bypass of their greedy employers
People are caring now 'cause we're talking about JJK season 2 like one of the biggest shows right now if not the biggest already...Can't the studio at least give the animators their miminal rights for a maximum work of perfection on the most buzzed anime of the year...This is too much honestly , anime fans should boycott mappa studio at this point.
5:24 💀
Lmao
XDDD
Thats sad, i hope they give the animators more time to animate and raise their salary, because for me jjk season 2 looks like it was rushed because the animator does not have much time and schedule to animate, and i hope they re animate jjk season 2😢.
Layouts are given more time and even extended but it's a different story especially for other positions especially for second kwy animators.
As a business major it's clear to see Kyoani has adopted a more Americanized business practice in the workplace. More or less decentralized authority, mentorships. It should be adopted as it's been proven in multiple businesses that these things empower animators to be more creative and outside the box which is PERFECT for animators! Mappa is doing this because of Japans lack of laws and checks and balances, but more importantly because of their massive cultural conseuqnces. It's very taboo to go against culture and tradition where in America it's not.
I shudder to think at the workload these poor people have, I can only think of the office from Zom 100 as a frame of reference and it doesnt seem too far off...
I was a die hard of JJK.I was curious about the star plasma vessel name Yuki Tsukomo didn't merge with Tengen,even if in the first place failed to Riko also the star plasma vessel.HOPING YOU NOTICE ME IN THE NEXT VIDEO THIS IS SO PRETTY INSANE
I've spoken to actual layout/storyboard artist myself. They dont really give details that much and i don't pry alot.
BUT i imagine itss wayyyy simplier for layout artist to say "my work with them is amazing" if they don't evem have to clean up, color, draw in extensive detail, compositing and all the other meticulous things that comes along animation frame by frame.
Its more difficult when an artstyle is too detailed if you're a layout artist you're not expected to do detailed drawing as key animators does. Thats why you can tell Nobili said "they worked on my shot to the last second" because he was empathetic.
Meanwhile Amphibi was just thinking about his "own experience"
5:20 wtf☠️💀
Interesting. See, I think it’s interesting that the conditions are so horrible, but at the same time, Mappa has consistently put out some really good stuff. JJK season 2 has been pretty crazy so far
I just expect they take their time to give the best effort but i just read/heard from here just pain from the back without taking their time bruv
“But would you keep working?”
“Nah, I’d quit.”
Where do you find out the most recent KyoAni work? I'm a huge fan of their work and would love to watch more.
MyAnimeList you can find a whole section with their animes Releasing or released
Their twitter @kyoani is also a solid place to stay updated
@@Yiman nice I’ll check them out
The biggest red flag from Mappa for me was back when they announced they were going to pick up AoT where WIT left off.
While that itself isn't bad, it was the fact that they also announced a bunch of other projects they were going to do at the same time. All of which combined into what looked like a hellish amount of work.
they seem to be picking up another massive title every year. i cant help but feel that mappa isnt gonna be able to keep up with this output for much longer before it collapses.
if this seems to continue then i would not be surprised if the animators just become frustrated with their work and just give up on animating.
in my opinion this would probably decrease the quality of the animation MAPPA is providing us with. Its still not too late,
if they still do not improve their work conditions then they are digging their own grave.
Its insane how talented and boundary pushing these artists are, and yet they still dont get paid well enough and receive the time off they deserve.
taking in all the big projects and constantly pumping out high quality work does come with a price i guess
I lost respect for Mappa when they release that mess of what was supposed to be God of Highschool.
Not only did MAPPA on its own ruined anime with 3D, but they abuse their animators as well, clown fiesta
Literally Like Zom: 100 😭😭
This comes from ignorance but why doesn't the bulk of the staff come together and request better conditions or they leave.
That one guy saying "it didn't happen to me so it doesn't count" quite possibly shows the hierarchy in place. The ones at the top will never even see the blood of those they step on.
KyoAni supremacy.
I'm a 2D animator in france, here animators often complains about salary get lower over the years and studios exploiting young animators passion about this work. We also complain about working so much extra hours sometimes to meet non-human deadlines that tends to get worse each years (Each of those problems has an explanation and origins and solutions but it's an other subject for an other time) What I want people to understand is in French animation industry those are real problems (impacting people physical and mental health for instance) But at the same time, we have a lot of advantages Japanese animators would only dream of.
Both point of views are valid in my opinion, without denying some people suffering and will to see their situation getting better. And also appreciating some sides as health insurance, unemployment help, studios being okay with giving you holydays and rearranging deadlines sometimes, etc etc
Last week I discovered 2 of my old workmates had faintness and stroke issues during production because of overwork and stress.
This is just France, now imagine what it is in Japan. Good luck, you're probably understimating how bad it is.
You can feel the animation quality waver a bit in this season, even tho its still a MEGA BANGER
Mappa should learn from bones studio , demom slayer animation studio ( not about animation talking about how they treat their animators
I might be a little too competitive or masochistic or whatever else you yourself can come up with to associate me with for what I am about to say, but this sort of thing hypes me up about my own future.
If I were to work as a corporate slave and fight against the tides of inhumane work schedules by becoming SO SKILLED to the point that I am able to produce monstrous levels of content with ease, not feeling like the slavery conditions are shackles but are the BARE MINIMUM of effort when it comes to my standard of working, then just imagine how cool that would be!
This isn’t satirical, I genuinely see excitement in this idealistic expectation I have for myself.
Of course, there is a difference between what you imagine and actually going through an experience first hand - I would know, I was a corporate slave for the past 2 years and suffered the worst I have ever suffered in my life and would never like to go through those sleepless nights again -, however, with fresh eyes and confidence in what CAN be possible, even if I’m not capable of these things just yet, is what gets me trying again and again and again to one day be as otherworldly and monstrously skilful and cool as my ideal self!!
So… I’m definitely going to try and work for MAPPA in the future, (maybe. I’m still buffing out on the details on what next step I should take in my life, for all I know is that right now, I really want to ‘git gud’ - dark souls meme reference).
Trust me, as someone who thought being a god tier worker would sway things in an industry, it doesnt. Youll get used and spat out when you become too much for their status quo.
@@alastor8091 Then I'll go indie and partner with people who don't use me and are genuine friends.
I wanted to study college in Japan and move there as a kid not because of anime but because I knew how developed the nation is. I'm glad I went with the US, cuz even with the whole immigration and visa sponsorship drama, it's way better than Japan. Heck, even working in India is leagues better if you got a college degree.
MAPPA MADE THEM SIGN AN NDA TO WHAT
I already knew when i saw the anim quality...
Basically same with my workplace. 😂
is that why the animation quality don't look the same as the first episodes of season 2? Anyway hope they get what they need.
I am just sad cause i know what JJK season 2 could have been and what it is at this very moment,disgusting animation and you can't even tell whats going on most of the time like its been cut 21312423 times....
BRO WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!?!? HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW EPISODE
@@Notaurox What do i mean ? The episodes are pathetic,first minute of the fight in that episode you just mention was watchable,the rest is hot garbage you can't even clearly see whats going on,the animation of characters is laughable,i think we got pranked or something...
Their plight kinda reminds me of how Geto feels abt exorcising curses.
1:29 i know what he's talking about, knowing how widespread this has gotten this is saddening 😭
what does it mean?
Guys I think it is up to us as the internet to put public pressure on MAPPA to get them to treat their animators better
ngl if it takes a turn for the animators you will have to wait "months if not years longer" for the next seasons/animes series
Whelp if Mappa keeps bleeding employees, Zom 100 is gonna have amazing projects
You mean studio bug? Hope they're not exploiting their employees too because it'll quite the irony
@@handleloverkiraIrony indeed.
I have a feeling that the working conditions are standard for any job with high demands and these new genz animators are just finding this to bitch about
Did you know that the studio Tendou used to work for was actually studio Mappa? The whole Zom 100 series is just about them!
They need to be unionized
So why do people keep watching and supporting their anime productions? Everyone keeps rambling how this is a known thing, but everyone also doesn't give two shits and enjoys the productions. So quick to cancel some things, but when it's stuff people actively enjoy, they drink their own piss.
The consumer mindset has ruined us all. People are horrified by the conditions of animals in the meat and diary industries, yet they would eat animal products without a remorse. People are disgusted by the exploitation that Third World countries experience because of the greed of the First World, yet they wouldn't give up their 2 dollars Shein t-shirts.
Actions speak louder than thoughts and prayers, people.
mappa is the blizzard of the animation world, becomes a titan, becomes a tyrant, begins to fall
Mappa animators might move to ufotable at this point XD