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  • Опубліковано 15 чер 2023
  • The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House to discuss their updated NBA trade value list after this year’s season.
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  • @12packersfan
    @12packersfan Рік тому +132

    Crazy how different the middle of this list is compared to just six months ago. Every NBA season is wild but this one especially was just bonkers

    • @sg-duwap_yt8209
      @sg-duwap_yt8209 Рік тому +4

      “It’s fluid”

    • @PeteMD
      @PeteMD Рік тому

      These guys are idiots that don’t know anything about basketball, which is why

  • @jmt7204
    @jmt7204 Рік тому +64

    Bill snuck in that "long showers" comment😂 house did not approve

    • @ThreeEyedJuan
      @ThreeEyedJuan Рік тому +17

      A rare podcast awkward silence followed.

  • @makhinal
    @makhinal Рік тому +96

    NBA Trade Value Rankings 65 to 1
    Number One - 3:00
    Nikola Jokic
    Honorable / Dishonorable Mention - 4:29
    Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons
    Toughest Omissions - 6:58
    Keldon Johnson, Lou Dort, Jaden Ivey, Dyson Daniels, Jaden McDaniels, Devin Vassell, Caleb Martin, Nikola Vucevic
    Off the List - 7:24
    Rudy Gobert, Chris Paul, Jordan Poole, Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, Khris Middleton, Julius Randle, Jarrett Allen, Anfernee Simons, James Harden, Jabari Smith, Marcus Smart
    Group L - Buyers’ Remorse - 8:52
    65. Tyler Herro 64. Bradley Beal 63. Zach Lavine 62. Kawhi Leonard (Dishonorable Mention?)
    Group K - Quality Starters - 13:23
    61. Keegan Murray 60. R.J. Barrett 59. DeMar Derozan 58. Andrew Wiggins 57. Draymond Green 56. Derrick White 55. Trae Young 54. Dejounte Murray
    Group J - Upside Gang - 14:28
    53. Jaylen Green 52. Shaedon Sharpe 51. Tyrese Maxey 50. Scottie Barnes 49. Austin Reaves 48. Brandon Miller 47. Scoot Henderson 46. Cade Cunningham
    Group I - Sorry, He’s Worth More To Us Than You - 17:55
    45. O.G. Anunoby 44. Brandon Ingram 43. Aaron Gordon 42. Desmond Bane 41. Domantas Sabonis
    Group H - If You Tell Woj, I’ll Deny It To The Death, But, I’m Listening - 18:58
    40. LeBron James 39. Paul George 38. Jrue Holiday 37. Karl Anthony Towns 36. LaMelo Ball 35. Pascal Siakam 34. Jaylen Brown
    Group G - Too Young, Too Cheap, Too Good, Please Stop Calling Us - 22:31
    33. Chet Holmgren 32. Lauri Markkanen 31. Walker Kessler 30. Franz Wagner 29. Jaylen Williams
    Group F - The Incredibly Touchable Untouchables - 23:33
    28. Zion Williamson 27. Ja Morant
    Group E - Let Me Save You Some Time, F*ck No - 26:08
    26. Damian Lillard 25. Mikhail Bridges 24. Donovan Mitchell 23. Darius Garland 22. Josh Giddey 21. Jalen Brunson 20. Anthony Davis 19. De’Aaron Fox
    Group D - Budding Franchise Guys - 30:20
    18. Paolo Banchero 17. Tyrese Haliburton 16. Evan Mobley 15. Bam Adebayo 14. Jaren Jackson Jr.
    Group C - Only If They Made Us Do It - 32:37
    13. Jimmy Butler 12. Jamal Murray 11. Joel Embiid 10. Kevin Durant
    Group B - The Untouchables - 37:09
    9. Anthony Edwards 8. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 7. Devin Booker
    Group A - The Completely and Utterly Untouchable - 41:18
    6. Jayson Tatum 5. Stephen Curry 4. Victor Wenbanyama 3. Luka Doncic 2. Giannis Antetokounmpo 1. Nikola Jokic

  • @anthonyrivera2306
    @anthonyrivera2306 Рік тому +238

    House saying he would trade Reaves for Irving sounds like something the Wizards would do

    • @MatthewBreck
      @MatthewBreck Рік тому +13

      For real

    • @terry7907
      @terry7907 Рік тому +3

      Hilarious!

    • @bartier861
      @bartier861 Рік тому +6

      Every lakers fan would do too

    • @gregrichardson695
      @gregrichardson695 Рік тому +6

      Bro can u imagine Kyrie in Washington DC???? OMG that would be be an entertaining disaster

    • @dbsuper2928
      @dbsuper2928 Рік тому +17

      Yeah who would want an 8 time all star 3 time all nba & nba champion when you can have hillbilly Kobe

  • @johndixon1725
    @johndixon1725 Рік тому +137

    I love having House on the podcast. Him calling Bill out for his absurd Kobe takes is nice.

  • @marquesmorgan7297
    @marquesmorgan7297 Рік тому +90

    I'm so glad Joe was on the episode. He was the voice of reason on this episode

    • @BabylonGateLA
      @BabylonGateLA Рік тому +12

      Him, Rusillo, and Chris Ryan the only ones that have the balls to call out Bill on his bias and homerism at the Ringer lol

    • @filosurfer
      @filosurfer Рік тому

      I’d much rather listen to House than Rusillo. House can make an articulate argument without having to be a dick about it like Russillo.

    • @Sotanath86q
      @Sotanath86q Рік тому +6

      tbf it's a very easy job to pick holes in a list like this. Literally anyone would make mistakes compiling one

    • @bagbroch9339
      @bagbroch9339 Рік тому +1

      His kid repeated kindergarten?? That shoulda been talked about…

    • @tommyo.3535
      @tommyo.3535 Рік тому +1

      @@bagbroch9339 that was a joke lol

  • @aidanerickson2843
    @aidanerickson2843 Рік тому +16

    That long shower comment was way off the hook lmao 😂

  • @mrcoolguy2530
    @mrcoolguy2530 Рік тому +115

    Beautiful take by Joe House on the Kevin Durant rank. Someone finally called out the media bias with Durant. The whole “I just hoop” thing is a cop out for his real nonexistent playoff success that last few years.

    • @jdriscoll2000
      @jdriscoll2000 Рік тому +15

      Bingo. He wasted 4 years of his career to troll espn with kyrie irving lol like you can't make it up

    • @evanclp514
      @evanclp514 Рік тому +18

      he's just coping because he's 34 and has 2 fake rings. his legacy gets worse by the year. i think by the time he retires he'll actually end up below Barkley who has no rings but at least has some dignity

    • @goatnuts69
      @goatnuts69 Рік тому +1

      @@evanclp514 salty

    • @wesgarnett119
      @wesgarnett119 Рік тому

      you can say that for literally almost everyone in the nba. check the stats so you can see how much you dont know ball

    • @denigster
      @denigster Рік тому +6

      @@wesgarnett119 more the opposite - guys who bring up stats in the first place often dont know what they are talking about other than stats

  • @Sethsters
    @Sethsters Рік тому +14

    I distinctly remember the Spurs slander coming out of Kawhi’s camp when he demanded a trade.

  • @Jack-jx6ln
    @Jack-jx6ln Рік тому +45

    Love how House always holds the mic

  • @connorreactstoem7074
    @connorreactstoem7074 Рік тому

    the ONE full pod bill puts up on youtube i listen on spotify heading home from work...
    Please, do more video pods on youtube!

  • @user-qe7cw6jo4j
    @user-qe7cw6jo4j Рік тому +24

    Franz Wagner is so underrated

    • @feelsgoodman420
      @feelsgoodman420 Рік тому

      Can't shoot right now so he's fairly rated

    • @uberneanderthal
      @uberneanderthal Рік тому

      he regressed defensively and rebounding from his rookie year, not a good sign. dude had the same boards per as Muggsy Bogues in '94 😬

    • @Shortballa11
      @Shortballa11 Рік тому

      @@uberneanderthal you gotta factor in the Magic having like 7 big men and playing him at sg half the season

    • @uberneanderthal
      @uberneanderthal Рік тому

      @@Shortballa11 Luka plays guard and he's 2 inches shorter. at 6'9" 225 he should be getting 6 boards a game by accident.

    • @Shortballa11
      @Shortballa11 Рік тому

      @@uberneanderthal 1. Wagner aint Luka so lets get that out the way.
      2. Mavs starting lineup is Kyrie, Hardaway, Bullock, and Powell. Luka is the second tallest on the court and its always been that way.
      3. Wagner playing with lineups of Fultz at pg, him at shooting guard. Bol Bol, PAolo and WCJ half the season. He is the second shortest on the court. ANd you can swap any of them with the other big men Moritz and Okeke. Just more 7'0 footers.

  • @srka42
    @srka42 Рік тому +17

    For someone’s who’s done this before House doesn’t get the list lol

    • @andrewshandle
      @andrewshandle Рік тому

      Somewhere around 2028 or so it'll click with him. ;)

  • @TheBrokenScale
    @TheBrokenScale Рік тому +99

    I don't think Anthony Davis was a bad pick in 2015 - 21 years old, already All-NBA and All-Defense, coming off a season when he averaged 24 and 10 with 3 blocks

    • @johnmcm7690
      @johnmcm7690 Рік тому +1

      Ahead of lebron though...

    • @BabylonGateLA
      @BabylonGateLA Рік тому +8

      @@johnmcm7690 Bill Simmons used to overrate AD a lot before he got traded to LA, I remember it was his fantasy for him to get traded to Boston, and he started hating on AD after the Lakers got him lol 🤣

    • @anthonyrivera2306
      @anthonyrivera2306 Рік тому +1

      @@BabylonGateLA Bill showing his Celtics fandom 🤣🤣
      Now, he's gotta be wishing that my Spurs trade the #1 pick to Boston 🤣🤣🤣

    • @des0163
      @des0163 Рік тому +2

      ​@@johnmcm7690Ye but tbf, Bron was 30 and we still tought he might age like a human. And it's reasonable to project a 21 year old making all nba to be an all time great

    • @loganerb3952
      @loganerb3952 Рік тому +1

      @@BabylonGateLAyeah but I get his hype… AD is just a unicorn of talent and potential it just sucks he doesn’t have that dawg in him, doesn’t work as hard as others in the league and on top of all that he just gets hurt all the time which has really hampered his game imo

  • @jayjones9225
    @jayjones9225 Рік тому +20

    Zion hype in 2019 was also that he was gonna be a top 10 all-time guy and that hasn’t yet materialized. Let’s just slow down a little on Wembanyama

    • @des0163
      @des0163 Рік тому +5

      Zion put up historic numbers for a guy his age the year he played a full-ish season. Its been injuriea not a lack of talent and thats a risk for all players and prospects

    • @khalxd1991
      @khalxd1991 Рік тому +2

      Especially as Wemby already has injury’s. He’s also too tall to be reliable bet

    • @khalxd1991
      @khalxd1991 Рік тому +1

      @@des0163 yeah and injuries ruined many players . Zion is too heavy n explosive. Wemby is too tall
      Most likely not to have good injury luck at that height

    • @christianladu1136
      @christianladu1136 Рік тому +1

      Pels were #1 in the west in December with him

    • @jayjones9225
      @jayjones9225 Рік тому

      @@des0163 it’s a small sample size with zero playoff implications though. It isn’t like he’s Kawhi Leonard or Terrell Davis and actually used it and won championships while playing less games than the usual all-time greats

  • @marshallgray645
    @marshallgray645 Рік тому +1

    Great, great takes by House. Bold, logical, entertaining. Love him

  • @SouthSide41209
    @SouthSide41209 Рік тому +6

    10:57 4th Quarter yellin "Why TF Batum in?"

  • @justenkid
    @justenkid Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this amazing episode

  • @dnice8502
    @dnice8502 10 місяців тому

    Great show! Loved it

  • @Sportsbreak149
    @Sportsbreak149 Рік тому +4

    This is a great segment

  • @srka42
    @srka42 Рік тому +52

    Bill so right about Kyrie.

    • @CollaredConsulting
      @CollaredConsulting Рік тому +12

      Bill is butthurt that Kyrie made him and you look like a coward because he was 100% right about the jab and his refusal to be bullied into taking it

    • @the9thinning1
      @the9thinning1 Рік тому +15

      @@CollaredConsulting what exactly was he right about concerning the jab?

    • @David-iv6je
      @David-iv6je Рік тому +5

      Great ball player and total head case. Give Kyrie credit: he's really creative with his madness. We have no idea what nutso stuff will happen next.

    • @xavierb9061
      @xavierb9061 Рік тому +2

      @@CollaredConsulting are you crazy..he ruined a potential dynasty..lol..nuggets nets finals wouldve been awesome

    • @nnguy0398
      @nnguy0398 Рік тому +2

      ​@@the9thinning1 don't expect a response from that coward. They think after 1 million+ people died from covid in the US, the antivaxxers won the covid issue

  • @josephrowland2086
    @josephrowland2086 Рік тому +31

    Kyrie being omitted is a huge W

    • @terry7907
      @terry7907 Рік тому +4

      More like a huge L.

    • @eazymb.
      @eazymb. Рік тому +10

      @@terry7907 Teams get better when they get rid of him though.

    • @MeechG
      @MeechG Рік тому +2

      ​@@eazymb.not the Cavs or Nets

    • @MacNif
      @MacNif Рік тому

      ​@@MeechGor Boston

    • @SchulzEricT
      @SchulzEricT Рік тому +6

      @@MacNif Wait... yes BOS did. They got WAY better after he left. Are you fucking kidding me? That team didn't do SHIT with Kyrie. Ditto the Nets. Only the Cavs, but I think that might be because they lost LeBron AND Kyrie and replaced them with Sexton and had to wait a few years before finally having draft picks.

  • @magicofshootingstar5825
    @magicofshootingstar5825 Рік тому +6

    As a Jazz fan it's very interesting that you put Walker Kessler higher on the list than Lauri Markkanen. Even if it's just one spot higher. And I understand that Walker was awesome rookie, so he has high upside but Lauri is all star who kept improving the whole season and is in very teamfriendly contract 😃

  • @Sotanath86q
    @Sotanath86q Рік тому +59

    Giving up Austin Reaves for Kyrie Irving is flat out insane

    • @anthonyrivera2306
      @anthonyrivera2306 Рік тому +2

      Reaves for Irving would be so bad, I would love him on House's team (Wizards) just to see everything burn 🤣🤣

    • @TuchNGoh
      @TuchNGoh Рік тому +13

      Flat earth insane

    • @SkipBaylesssShow
      @SkipBaylesssShow Рік тому +3

      @@TuchNGoh 😂😂😂

    • @khalxd1991
      @khalxd1991 Рік тому

      Especially cos reaves only has 2m cap hold . If lakers get kyrie reaves is only untradable guy. Especially how much he improved in his second year already . Bron AD Kyrie reaves can work . I’d sacrifice Rui if I had to but not reaves

    • @killfacedel5014
      @killfacedel5014 Рік тому

      ​@khalxd1991 so you think the mavs sign and trade Irving for rui? I'm hoping your idea includes 1st round unprotected for 4 years

  • @haroldfloyd5518
    @haroldfloyd5518 Рік тому +9

    Kuwai is an absolute artist on the hardwood, but it feels like waiting for that next Guns N’ Roses album (that is never going to happen). LeBron is no longer the smartest guy in the association-that would be Jokic now, but let’s say King James is the wisest player in basketball because seriously, he has more experience than Methuselah!

  • @NewYorkForever
    @NewYorkForever Рік тому +7

    Joe 🏠 Keeps It Real! That Is All 😂😂😂

  • @patmurphy8622
    @patmurphy8622 Рік тому +4

    “Some long showers” 😂😂

  • @michaelkats4511
    @michaelkats4511 11 місяців тому

    I love your podcast 👍

  • @FurdTurgeson
    @FurdTurgeson Рік тому +7

    Damn man, I can’t believe that first column came out in 2001.. I remember reading that on ESPN page 2 when I was like 12-13 years old..

    • @anthonymock9717
      @anthonymock9717 Рік тому

      I hope you were wearing an oversized cowboy

    • @ryanuyehara8399
      @ryanuyehara8399 Рік тому

      Bill has been not writing columns longer than he's been writing columns during that time.

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Рік тому +1

      ​@@ryanuyehara8399wtf are both of you saying? Lol

  • @sandylaws8648
    @sandylaws8648 Рік тому

    Thank you Bill Simmons.

  • @Anthonyfpm20
    @Anthonyfpm20 Рік тому +4

    The Kawhi slander is music to my ears as a Spurs fan 😂

    • @kelechi321
      @kelechi321 Рік тому +2

      Yeah but it's not slander...ya in Spurs were first to see it.
      Khwai is NOT that dude. He is a liability and so frustrating.
      He has proven it

  • @Shortballa11
    @Shortballa11 Рік тому +20

    All it took was Jalen Green doing Bill Simmons podcast for him to complete change his tune from hate to empathy

    • @Shortballa11
      @Shortballa11 Рік тому

      @@zalemdreams i didnt know that

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall Рік тому +1

      @@Shortballa11 Bill has always been high on KD. Even before he was drafted.

  • @Ash-jm3pd
    @Ash-jm3pd Рік тому +5

    Love Joe checking Bill's biases

  • @QGuides
    @QGuides Рік тому

    Enjoyable conversation 😂

  • @abdulsarker9836
    @abdulsarker9836 Рік тому +11

    Bill’s basketball breakdown is amazing … except the part of him hating some players and teams and being the grandest homer of Celtics ever.

  • @davidvillela7476
    @davidvillela7476 Рік тому

    You guys are the best doing this, please do it more

  • @BoldWittyName
    @BoldWittyName 10 місяців тому +1

    7:43 "Why is he off the list"
    Bill: "He didn't make the list"
    Me: *subscribe*

  • @mazzb305
    @mazzb305 Рік тому +2

    “Our Doughy Serbian King” 😂😂😂

  • @PistolPis88
    @PistolPis88 11 місяців тому

    6:53 Great line by Bill

  • @OPTIMUS6LTR
    @OPTIMUS6LTR Рік тому +4

    whenever i see House always reminds me of Norm MacDonald

  • @wmw1239
    @wmw1239 Рік тому +1

    amazing segment. as much as house likes the punitive angles in a list like this, i think u gotta consider embiid as someone who could turn into the guy soon

  • @jazzprince4447
    @jazzprince4447 Рік тому

    Video to this is the best

  • @iamaryantob3079
    @iamaryantob3079 Рік тому +11

    Jalen green is becoming stupidly underrated. Look at the scenario he was drafted into. It’s not like Giddey, mobley or even Banchero would make this rockets team competent

    • @mattL1ghts
      @mattL1ghts Рік тому

      based

    • @analyticalinsight
      @analyticalinsight 11 місяців тому

      Yes they would...Green is a nobody...Sengun is there best player

  • @QGuides
    @QGuides Рік тому +2

    😂😂 I love House.

  • @vlada
    @vlada Рік тому

    Following Bill's podcasts since those Real Audio player days on ESPN and this is first time i see House. Looks like if Graham Hancock (jre) and James Calville had a baby.

  • @NiccFurious
    @NiccFurious Рік тому +13

    Thank you Kanye, very cool!

  • @apollo24zz
    @apollo24zz Рік тому +15

    Crazy to think we talk about Kawhi like this. Was once of my favorite player on the Spurs and now slowly breaking down. At least the Spurs future is bright with the arrival of Wemby, so me personally this is very Poetic.

    • @anthonyrivera2306
      @anthonyrivera2306 Рік тому

      I'm so excited for Wemby, hoping he can develop and get us over the hump.

    • @bacardibum
      @bacardibum Рік тому

      @@anthonyrivera2306 the hump of not being the worst team in the league? pop ruined his legacy with having the worst record year after year. it wasn't pop, it was tim duncan. chumbawumba will play for 3 years for the spurs and then jump ship.

    • @denigster
      @denigster Рік тому

      @@bacardibum only the goat but ruined his legacy - lol

    • @bacardibum
      @bacardibum Рік тому

      @@denigster phil jackson is the goat

  • @kraff2988
    @kraff2988 Рік тому

    3:04 DSK I kinda love that name lol

  • @MrOneanddone91
    @MrOneanddone91 Рік тому +9

    0:50 Bill Simmons definitely hates Kobe, we all know it dawg , 😂

    • @hardwoodthought1213
      @hardwoodthought1213 Рік тому +1

      Backed off it in recent years tho. He was always ahead of the curve tho in establishing Duncan >>> Kobe

    • @MrOneanddone91
      @MrOneanddone91 Рік тому +1

      @@hardwoodthought1213 You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. I hope all is well my brother!

  • @hazeofthegreensmoke505
    @hazeofthegreensmoke505 Рік тому +2

    Bill Simmons hates Damian Lillard. That is insane, dude literally played like an MVP last year.

  • @colinanthony2011
    @colinanthony2011 Рік тому

    Joe House is the best guest man. Either him or Cousin Sal.

  • @danieljoyce4015
    @danieljoyce4015 Рік тому

    Giddy! Woooo. Young kid is amazing

  • @Sportsbreak149
    @Sportsbreak149 Рік тому

    I finallly recognized

  • @MrPatrickAnonymous
    @MrPatrickAnonymous 6 місяців тому

    House* is the only regular guest who will push back on Billʻs grandiose statements (*and Van Latham).

  • @JakeKoenig
    @JakeKoenig Місяць тому +1

    The Kyrie position from Bill has not aged well AT ALL. He literally said there were 65 current NBA players that no team would trade straight up to get Kyrie. That's batshit crazy.

  • @BlueInk912
    @BlueInk912 Рік тому

    I just became a Bill Simmons subscriber because he is THE MAN

  • @jakefischbach
    @jakefischbach 11 місяців тому

    lol "our doughy Serbian king" absolute gold

  • @raml.4113
    @raml.4113 Рік тому +1

    I really hope Wemby stays healthy cause it would be great for basketball to see a guy like him thrive. But man, that build for the kind of game he plays (& how we've seen top picks break down) worries me. He's got the right coach but I hope there's a different medical staff than the one dealing with Kawhi.

    • @bacardibum
      @bacardibum Рік тому

      7'5" and rail thin. what could go wrong? lol

    • @aricrudd6579
      @aricrudd6579 Рік тому +3

      The medical team was right on Kawhi, though. They told him he had a degenerative condition and that it would never go away, but he’s a snake who said they were wrong and used it as an excuse to leave.

    • @MaelstromEnergy
      @MaelstromEnergy Рік тому +3

      ​@@aricrudd6579 crazy how this narrative around the Spurs being wrong exists when people openly talk about how Kawhi has been in LA

  • @NateArchibaldWithTheFro
    @NateArchibaldWithTheFro Рік тому

    House is a 100% right about Durant and Embiid

  • @amirlahijani
    @amirlahijani Рік тому +1

    Was listening to this in my car with my kids with me had to turn it off after the 7th f bomb

  • @CoachTC23
    @CoachTC23 Рік тому +6

    Reaves for Irving would be the best scenario possible for Dallas 🙏

  • @paulmccann6178
    @paulmccann6178 Рік тому +1

    Amazing vid but how you gonna say Jalen Brunson is more beloved than Melo after one year 😭

  • @brani4834
    @brani4834 Рік тому

    Bill’s ability to throw shade at LBJ is impressive.

  • @gio__23
    @gio__23 Рік тому

    House's son catching a stray with the repeating kindergarten comment in the Kyrie discussion... lmaoooo

  • @kuljitt5254
    @kuljitt5254 Рік тому +5

    So let me get this right yall rather have Derrick White over Trey Young.... and Jaden McDaniels over Jalen Green.... man you stat analytical nerds are something else!!!!

    • @Thatfantasyfootballchick
      @Thatfantasyfootballchick Рік тому

      White over young is strictly for the contract obviously

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Рік тому

      McDaniels is objectively a better team basketball player

    • @SchulzEricT
      @SchulzEricT Рік тому

      Yup. Winning is better than not winning but having a player who makes a lot of money.

    • @kuljitt5254
      @kuljitt5254 Рік тому

      @M R jalen is only 2 yrs in...hes on the path to be a star player 30 ppg type guy.... McDaniels is a role player

    • @kuljitt5254
      @kuljitt5254 Рік тому +1

      @@Thatfantasyfootballchick give me trae at 35? 40? Over white at 20 anyday

  • @miguelmolina7628
    @miguelmolina7628 11 місяців тому

    what will the thunder need to make them a playoff team a all star small forward of a all star big of both

  • @bdbd1390
    @bdbd1390 Рік тому

    "Long showers" 😂😂😂

  • @aidanknight
    @aidanknight Рік тому

    18:35 bill is WILD on this take. denver absolutely would take OG in that trade?? he's two years younger, an elite defender, and a better 3pt shooter AND he's $3m/year cheaper (one year shorter deal tho). AG gets to the line a little more, but OG is more efficient all around. if you think your window is 2-3 more years, I'd take OG in that trade all day.

  • @sterlingice9195
    @sterlingice9195 Рік тому

    THANK YOU HOUSE !!! HAIL IN THE SAME BOAT AS LAMELO they bota gotta play

  • @hisnewlife3543
    @hisnewlife3543 Рік тому +1

    Oh, please. I’m begging you. Please tell us the story of the Zoom call with Harry (Fredo).

  • @bozo9556
    @bozo9556 Рік тому +2

    The idea you trade Luka right now is insane. Maybe down the road, like Lebron's first cavs stint, but not now.

    • @4evahodlingdoge226
      @4evahodlingdoge226 Рік тому

      They don't have a way to improve so it's make sense to sell on him, Utah would pay a huge price i'm sure.

    • @Sotanath86q
      @Sotanath86q Рік тому +1

      They either lose him for nothing or he demands a trade which lowers his value. This team is not going anywhere so might as well salvage Doncic as an asset. They've screwed themselves with the Kyrie move, letting Brunson go etc.

  • @honeyowen3163
    @honeyowen3163 Рік тому

    New Subscriber. You've come out and said what a good portion of the thinks about the "grifters". Along with 'South Park" you have the whole world watching/listening. I'm waiting for your Prince Harry story, and so is the rest of the earth.

  • @tune6000
    @tune6000 Рік тому +4

    Brandon Ingram is one of the best players in the NBA and is 25

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Рік тому +1

      No he isn't lol

    • @tune6000
      @tune6000 Рік тому +1

      @@GeronimoPlaz I’m rounding everything up a little but he just averaged almost 25, 6 and 6 on nearly 50/40/90. Plus all the injuries him and the Pelicans had this year

    • @pipohemm8726
      @pipohemm8726 Рік тому

      Dude was borderline All-NBA once he got healthy. It is insane to put him behind Gordon

    • @tune6000
      @tune6000 Рік тому

      @@pipohemm8726 he should be easy top 20 but I’d have him at like 10

    • @bkelly625
      @bkelly625 11 місяців тому

      @@tune6000 He has a long and concerning injury history

  • @ZJ-ne9kn
    @ZJ-ne9kn Рік тому

    Bill half this pod i fucked up that up lol i love listening both of them there's definitely a couple i wouldve swapped down abit but overall solid

  • @cookintheworld155
    @cookintheworld155 Рік тому

    I don’t get it. Why they don’t even mention Nic Claxton?

  • @jeffmarchand9254
    @jeffmarchand9254 Рік тому

    "some long showers" Bill from the top rope

  • @2160michael
    @2160michael Рік тому +9

    The Bill Simmons Trae Young hate is real

  • @superdopehiphop
    @superdopehiphop Рік тому +15

    The way Carlisle moronically used Mathurin (not starting him) aside he still shoulda of been honorable mention for his highs as 20 year old rookie.
    Also while I wanted my Pacers to draft Booker over Turner in 2015 and wanted 27/29 unprotected Lakers 1s for him/Hield bc they’re dumpster fire possibly post LeBron/AD and it helped us double Wemby odds and start force Carlisle 2 start Mathurin, BUT Turner on great contract not being mentioned HM top65 at all was kinda amateur hour. Mobley I like but he’s too high, LeBron (not shocking as LeBron owned one Bill’s team more then any athlete ever knocking then out 5X 2011-18 including 3 ECF, 3 of which Celtics could close at home in 6/7….then LeBron went to hated lakers and was Finals MVP for them in 2020 + good WCF run after 2-10 start) at 40 embarrassing as he was inarguably Top7-15 best player last year, averaged 25, 10, 7 on 50% in playoffs, averaged 28 10 10 52Fg% in WCF, was God tier December to February pre foot injury (injuries and age knock him down I get but still).
    Chet too high, KD (all timer but 35 & 8 months when playoffs start with injury history) too high.
    I love how House calls out Bill on many of his trash rankings/takes more then anyone. Bill is a legend in the space (even as annoying homer and LeBron hate since he owned his team 11-18 then went to hated lakers, plus underrates Reggie Miller who has 16th most won shares including playoffs when everyone 1-25 around him is an all time legend or legend), but he’s at his best interviewing all time greats or talking with ppl who actually debate with him.

    • @eriklakeland3857
      @eriklakeland3857 Рік тому +5

      Completely agreed. Pacers were at a crossroads to accelerate their rebuild to better compete with teams loaded with draft capital but they bottled it

    • @tonyschimmoeller
      @tonyschimmoeller Рік тому +1

      Haven't listened yet but Bron at 40 seems a bit high imo. He's on an expiring contract, could retire at any time, barely plays defense during the regular season. Regardless of how good he is now, value isn't just about the immediate.

    • @superdopehiphop
      @superdopehiphop Рік тому

      @@tonyschimmoeller he was literally just a top5-7 NBA player from late December to late February (33, 9, 8 good efficiency) and 28 10 10 52 FG% on bad foot in WCF which was better then Durant & Butler Vs Nuggets. Yes age/injuries worry you, but injuries worry you with many players and LeBron is an alien who is still top5-20 range player in NBA period. He prob makes 2nd team all nba last year had he played all year and LeBron Luka Durant Curry the only 4 in NBA to avg 26 6 6 on the efficiency they did this year.
      His defense was actually good mostly in playoffs with top5 DWinshares and top10 D rating through Conference Finals.
      40 is far too low just like House said especially if KD is 4.

    • @superdopehiphop
      @superdopehiphop Рік тому +1

      @@eriklakeland3857 it made zero sense! Mathurin is the first top6 pick ever who is Clearly all rookie first team level with no all stars in front of him NOT starting to try and get as many reps as possible with Haliburton and winning games didn’t matter this year in general but especially with Wemby coming out! Wanted 27/29 unprotected 1s from lakers bc they’ve had as many Top2-10 picks as anyone since Dr Buss died a decade ago and once LeBron/AD gone they could be dumpster fire again. Plus it doubled our Wenbanyama odds!

    • @Boshkovich
      @Boshkovich Рік тому

      Spot on 99,7%!! Except for Reggie Miller. Fuck him (sorry, homer) 😅

  • @jorgeorozco5417
    @jorgeorozco5417 Рік тому

    Bill is the god father of this

  • @rich25375
    @rich25375 Рік тому

    House almost lost me with that “is Booker better than Murray” lol glad they cleaned that up afterwards

  • @sittinonthegodamcornerdoindope

    Huh, always pictured house with hair

  • @paulg2216
    @paulg2216 Рік тому +4

    Bill doesnt hate Kobe ? yeah right - still remember the sh!t about the finals vs celtics Kobe shot 6-24 but got 15 boards etc and you just ripped him - like Jordan never had a 9-26 game

    • @MrOneanddone91
      @MrOneanddone91 Рік тому +3

      Lol that part. At least Nick Wright has openly admitted his Kobe hate. Bill will take shots at Kobe any chance he gets and will deny the hate to his death bed

    • @hardwoodthought1213
      @hardwoodthought1213 Рік тому

      I mean, even tho he has bias against Kobe the Brick dickriders who justify that game 7 by saying he grabbed rebounds are just as bias and crazy

  • @grady187
    @grady187 Рік тому

    Who’s on the Mr Rushmore of top-ten list that Simmons has made?

  • @rushchax
    @rushchax Рік тому

    How did we get to long showers whilst talking about Kyrie Bill? 🤣🤣🤣

  • @maticherzog
    @maticherzog Рік тому

    please check Jamal Murrey vs. Devin Booker stat.

  • @DrewRitz
    @DrewRitz Рік тому +3

    Ivey and Jabari have to have more value than Leonard and LaVine

  • @analyticalinsight
    @analyticalinsight 11 місяців тому

    What about Alperen Sengun, Cam Johnson, Trey Murphy, Quickley, derrick white, Caleb Martin, Norman Powell...

    • @bkelly625
      @bkelly625 11 місяців тому

      White was on there and the first four should be. Last two no but they have more value then most ppl think

  • @turneryoung905
    @turneryoung905 Рік тому +1

    Love the Shaedon Sharpe love but he prolly constantly will be higher as he becomes the shooting/scoring/6’7 3&D wing potential SGA after not playing basketball much in HS/not playin at all in college!

  • @Mskedu47
    @Mskedu47 Рік тому

    Can someone get house a mic stand?

  • @David-iv6je
    @David-iv6je Рік тому +5

    Dunno Simmons. Garland looked pretty bad in the playoffs. But the Cavs bigs looked bad as well.
    Carmelo was and is over-rated. I'll take that opinion to my grave.

    • @Claviceptic
      @Claviceptic Рік тому

      Garland had better shooting splits than Mitchell vs New York. Garland shot 38.7% on 6.2 3PA, Mitchell shot 28.9% on 9.0 3PA. Both of them turned the ball over like crazy, but when I watched that series, I wanted to see Garland down the stretch instead of Mitchell who was chucking up contested three after contested three.

  • @n34m
    @n34m 7 місяців тому

    House is hilarious

  • @544CampStreet
    @544CampStreet Рік тому

    Wake up babe. Bill Simmons just put out a new trade value list.
    Also the trade value column is always basically the trade value for the previous season. Bill's a basketball reactionary

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Рік тому

      Is he supposed to do it for 2 years from now? Wtf are you talking about? Lol

    • @544CampStreet
      @544CampStreet Рік тому

      @@GeronimoPlaz go home dad you're drunk

  • @sterlingice9195
    @sterlingice9195 Рік тому

    HOUSE KICKING BILLS ASS !!! Thanks

  • @jaylunwilliams1544
    @jaylunwilliams1544 Рік тому

    Bill an okc fan confirmed 👍

  • @jameskane6124
    @jameskane6124 Рік тому

    I actually agreed with the last one way way more than this one.

  • @17NateJohnson
    @17NateJohnson Рік тому +1

    Aside from the bubble, Lebron hasn't played an injury-free season since he arrived in L.A. Even this year, I hears Lebron fans talking about how great Lebron was with his ankle injury. "Imagine if he hadn't been injured!" But he's always injured. This needs to be acknowledged and discussed. This isn't about hating on Lebron, it's about balancing the "he's so great in year 20" talk.

    • @chasingfelix3609
      @chasingfelix3609 Рік тому +1

      So your take is he’s not great in year 20 despite shattering every old player record?

  • @yuupblaze6531
    @yuupblaze6531 Рік тому +5

    No shot jalen green is so low considering he was the only one to game plan around on the rockets this year. Rockets wouldn’t trade him for Mobley or giddey

    • @gregrichardson695
      @gregrichardson695 Рік тому +3

      Neither the Cavs nor the Thunder would consider trading either of those players for Jalen, like 0 percent of giving it even one second of thought. And I Like Jalen, but naw…

    • @andrewshandle
      @andrewshandle Рік тому +2

      The "he's the only guy teams game plan around" excuse is such BS. It's the same thing Magic fans say about Paolo to explain his horrible efficiency despite Franz taking nearly as many shots per game. Teams going into Houston on a back-to-back aren't game planning around Green other than "just let Green shoot crappy mid range shots" because he took 531 of them and only hit 40% of them a ridiculous percentage of them being pull-ups. You can love your guy, just don't be delusional about him.

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Рік тому

      Green seems like a total moron too. Just listen to him talk.

  • @17NateJohnson
    @17NateJohnson Рік тому +4

    Can we start using Lebron’s age instead of “Year 20”? This is a weird rhetorical move. Kareem had some great numbers in his late 30s and was a FMVP.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall Рік тому

      Because years matter. You put miles on your body.

    • @17NateJohnson
      @17NateJohnson Рік тому +1

      @@shorewall I’m not saying it shouldn’t be mentioned, but age matters more than seasons.
      And it’s def a rhetorical move to big up Lebron. Nick Wright does it all the time.

    • @chasingfelix3609
      @chasingfelix3609 Рік тому

      @@17NateJohnson the NBA years matter far more. Stop undercutting greatness for no reason

    • @17NateJohnson
      @17NateJohnson Рік тому +1

      @@chasingfelix3609 it should def be mentioned, but I disagree. It’s more about giving Kareem his due. Age is way more important than miles.

  • @jrg46
    @jrg46 Рік тому +1

    House’s moron gimmick is so good, he refuses to break kayfabe

  • @SpeedyOrtiz700
    @SpeedyOrtiz700 Рік тому +2

    Derrick White having more trade value than James Harden is the funniest shit I have ever seen.