The reason why I ultimately helped her, her life is in V’s hand here and she’s finally willing to take the leap of faith in giving her complete trust. I do understand it might be too little too late for some people, but I also don’t want to take someone’s second chance in exchange for my own
@@jaspercheng923 It's funny, cause that's the reason I decided not to help her. To preserve her own life she was willing to betray everyone around her and have countless innocents killed in the process. To me she showed that she's in fact not deserving of my help, especially after confessing to betraying me from the start. She dragged me through it all on a false promise of salvation, that's a really messed up thing to do to someone. And ultimately putting a price on my head and have me be hunted by the NUSA. My understanding was that by giving her up to Reed, it would diminish the already done damage and stop the government from pursuing me and my loved ones (which I was the most worried about). I saw a lot of similarities between her predicament and mine but the difference is essentially the quote above. I ended up with "Don't Fear the Reaper" choice because I felt like there is no way anyone should have to die for my cause. It was always between me and Johnny, so it felt only right to not drag anyone else in this. So Song's choice to put herself above any and every one really goes against everything I believe in.
Depending on when you play Phantom Liberty, V knows they have other options/leads for a cure (Alt and Mikoshi), so he's not entirely hopeless as some people try to make out. If this was literally his only chance at a cure like Songbird, then that's a different story. I don't blame people who do decide to give her up when she's tells the truth but for my V, he has too much empathy to do that. Yeah, she lied and strung us along but given how extremely desperate she was it's totally understandable. I imagine a lot of people would do the same, the primal urge for self-preservation is one of the strongest forces in the world. Plus, giving her up, after everything V went through to get there felt like it would be a betrayal of themselves. Even though, Song lied and betrayed us, V did not betray people like that, so putting her on the plane was V showing himself that he was better than Song in that respect. Lastly, the fact that the guilt was so overwhelming that she fesses up at the literal finish line and leaves herself completely vulnerable to you tells me she is a good person deep down, even with her flaws (manipulation and selfishness, which are likely exacerbated by her desperation to survive). In an alternate reality where she wasn't dying, I don't think she would be nearly as selfish or manipulative as she in in this DLC. Also fuck Reed, he's just the NUSA Takemura: a loyal corpo lapdog too afraid to break the leash of his abuser. I think Reed has some blame in creating the events of Phantom Liberty: "recruiting" Songbird and then choosing to dig and and double down in Dogtown rather than evacuate his team at the earliest possible chance during the 4th Corporate War. If he chose to evacuate instead, I think the events of Phantom Liberty would have never happened.
Well actually, I didn't have high hopes when I knew songbird's plan at the beginning, so when I noticed she was haunted by the black wall, I just wanted to help her. The moment she told me that the plan was a lie, I didn't really feel anger but pity for her, a girl who tricked everybody she loved just to survive is heartbreaking, that's why I chose the calm dialogue when I talked to her.
The divide in the comments is a testament to how good this twist is, the writing, acting, everything coming together to make you feel anger, pity, disdain and empathy, all the same time.
honestly as i carried her into the spaceport, i didnt know why i was helping her. Then it clicked. I just wanted to make one, tiny thing better in this fucked up world.
0:12, look top-right, it’s Mr. Blue Eyes holding an umbrella watching over you and Song. He’s the one who gave her the tickets to the moon. What a wild guy man.
I was highly sceptical of SoMi for so long, and the more I was getting to know her, the more I realised I couldn't trust her, at every turn she was screwing over and betraying everyone she worked with, and I knew that she would screw V over in some way. Did she have her reasons? Absolutely, but just like her, V is also fighting to live and SoMi took advantage of that knowing full well she'd never deliver on her promise.
@@snappyego908 "in a persons last moments, they reveal who they truly are." There's no excuse for So-Mi, V is also dying and he isn't screwing over and betraying his friends to survive.
@@snappyego908 she literally said twice that she's completely ok with lots of ppl dying just so she can live if the roles were reverse i doubt songbird would help me reed at least tells the truth. most of it, at least. hate feds, hate ppl who stab me in the back even more.
How people defend Songbird I can’t get it lol. They said they sent her moon because V and So Mi are same. Bro wtf 😂 Then you should take cure for yourself because that what she does. So they are not same. V takes the cure : “NOO YOU BETRAY SO MI YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN” Songbird takes the cure after telling V that she lied to him : “Oh my queen 🫅 yes yes I understand your motivation. You and V are the same “
“You’ll fight. Keep looking. You’re stronger than I am, V. Stronger than anyone else I knew.” As much as her betrayal hurt this truth I kept in my mind ever since firestarter. I knew So Mi’s cure was too good to be true but I still suck it out because I knew I had options at least. I had the Aldecados, Rogue, and hell just myself if needed. So Mi has none of that. She was brought up within a nest of snakes and used to the point of insanity. The neural matrix is her only hope. She was still wrong to betray us but when that’s literally all she knows and all she can do I can’t help but empathize. Especially knowing that all other endings she’s right about V and gets betrayed. Hard choices all around.
Yes. And even though Song betrayed V, she actually confessed to V before she was entirely safe and did not wait for last moment to f*ck V over, she at least gave V the choice, the choice to help or give Song up. And that little thing she did won over V's heart. In a world as cruel as Cyberpunk 2077, the best you can expect is brutal truth even if the end is sad one should still be glad they were at least given a choice(in case of So Mi).
@@Ambiguousss The sad thing is that when you have to make the choice in Firestarter Reed was really planning on helping her. If she didn't ran away Reed would be able to help her. But Reed didn't trust So Mi enough to help without to ability to shut her down and So Mi didn't trust Reed enough. That just makes everything even sadder. It didn't have to come down to this.
Hell, I don't like her, I think she's been using and abusing everyone since the start of the DLC, but... What Meyers and the FIA did is much worse, orders of magnitude worse. My V is an edgerunner, she believes in the souls of people winning out over corrupt corpos, so I'll help her and let her own conscience be damned afterwards. Imagine her surprise when she turns on the news in Tycho and sees V solo Arasaka tower.
It's like this girl is going for all the wrong choices. Even if she lives how can she be happy knowing she betrayed every single person that ever helped her?
The only person that ever helped her is V and only in this ending. Reed, Myers, the NUSA, etc... they all claim they're "helping" her or "saving" her or "protecting" her, and they've done the same since she was 18-19 and had her arm twisted into joining the feds. It's right in her name- Songbird, a type of bird whose wings are usually clipped, is kept in a gilded cage, and made to sing on demand as a trick. A tool, not a living thing.
@@JB-xl2jc Reed has helped her in the past, even if it made her into becoming basically a slave. It was either that path or be purged by Netwatch. Like I said, girl only makes bad decisions.
@@AngellGaby I would argue that wasn't really "help" lol maybe he thought it was, but threatening a teenager's family and friends with death to get them to start an oath of permanent servitude isn't really that helpful
@@AngellGabymy man, I don't think putting her on a path where she became a freaking cyborg puppet for a government is "helping". If Song knew what awaited her, she would have rather offed herself right from the start.
I can never bring myself to hand her over to Myers but let's not kid ourselves on who Song is. She may feel guilty about it but ultimately there is no one she won't sacrifice to save herself. Whether it be her enemies, random people who never wronged her, or even those who care for her she always comes first. She didn't even rebel against Myers until it started effecting her own survival.
Call me a POS, but I could not forgive her after she admitted that. I felt truly sorry for her, and wanted to help her, but betraying someone's trust like that is just the absolute worst.
i feel ya, but shes in the same boat as you. willing to do ANYTHING for survival. Think of the countless crowds of people V has slaughtered for the same reason. I still wouldnt choose the phantom liberty ending though, let her go and get her cure on the moon. V's life 2 years later is fuckin sad, better to go out in a blaze of glory. Besides, ive always said i think V's cure is actually easy af in any ending but the hanako one. the tech exists to fix it.
People get really hurt by this twist, and I don't blame them one bit, I was too. But, to be fair, for V to get the same ending he also has to betray songbird. I got that when I did this, so I didn't blame her at all, just understood she was doing what she needed to do to live just like me. I realized Phantom Liberty isn't V's story, it's hers. I let her go on the rocket and didn't shame her for anything.
I let Reed take So Mi after this revelation, I was all for helping her, but to lie and play me that was a no no. I'm compassionate but its not unconditional, biggest rule never lie to me. If she was open from the get go I would still help her regardless. But because she lied not only I feel cheated but I feel I just wasted what limited amount of time V has, all for nothing. So I gave her to Reed. Note I also refuse the cure after. His talk with Myers earlier and his views makes Reed untrustworthy as far as I'm concern, and I do not want V be indebt to these two either. As for So Mi well as Christian Bale Batman said "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you either" yes its her story, but just because she is the leading woman doesn't mean I intend to follow the script especially when being played from the get go.
@@jn4003 Ah so she lies to you whole game and when she actually tells you the truth your decision is to sell her to slavery for nothing in return. How moral of you.
@@Methyll Basically gave the NUSA their WMD back for nothing. I still think that letting her go to the rocketship is more fulfilling, at least thematically in this path. But the best ending for me is killing So Mi on the path of siding with Reed. While I don't like Alex dying via this decision, at least no one gets their WMD. Not Mr. Blue Eyes nor Myers. You'll basically set Songbird free because there is technically nothing left of her by the end even if she survives in any ending. And Reed, while pissed at you first, will call you later on and admit you were right and now will set a different path in life. Though not thrilled that the death of two women close to him had to die for him to get this character development, but dope thing about Cyberpunk is that all decisions are conflicting.
@@badboy14132 that's true the biggest issue in being NUSA gets the WMD back, but I didn't play V as some kind of major character in the great conflict for the balance of power between the Corps and Nations. To my V its always his own morale and live. So the idea of the NUSA having a major advantage in the end did not all that matter much. Bottom line unlike alot of people here in these replies, I'm not playing V as a Hero or a rebellious Silverhand, I played as just an individual, who is in a tough situation, but still has his own morale guidelines, and is a much more compassionate individual, he has his own limits and those that he will not cross for anyone. aka my V he is all for helping the needy open to people BUT you have to be honest with him and do not lie or cross him. Note I chose don't fear the Reaper route I was not about to risk the lives of the people that were more honest to me than So Mi. And as far as he is concern he is not betraying So Mi because I did not trade her for the Cure. that's the biggest difference. Also calling the Kettle Black So Mi betrayed V way earlier and people fail to notice if So Mi wasn't losing it by the end, she would not have reveal that she was playing you from the start. So I generally don't see anything wrong in this regard
Not gonna lie, I hated her for lying to me this whole time, but I promised I would help her get to the moon, so I kept my word. And with Myers and Reed hunting her down, even if I did give Songbird to them, there was no guarantee that I would get the cure instead. I mean they were pretty hell-bent on bringing us in, or bringing us down. So at that point, it felt like I had no choice but to send her to the moon, even when it brought me back to square one. Also killing Reed did not help. At all.
To me, killing Reed felt like the last blow to a dysfunctional family that has been brushing their problems under the rug for seven years. Myers, Song, Reed and Alex all have so much baggage that they never once acknowledged until now, and it's too damn late. Fuck their whole thing, let Alex live in Monaco, Song be free on the moon, her conscience be damned. Set Reed free from his remorse and guilt that would only grow if he got Song, and feel satisfaction that Myers tried to cheat the system for power, putting everyone at risk and it all blew up in her face.
Johnny hit the nail - it's really takes character to be a 150% bastard, and it deserves respect in a way. But gurl, you fucked this exactly one man who really tries to help you. The pangs of conscience are, of course, scary, but I wouldn't count on them. Once betrayed, she will betray again. And again. And again. And when betrayal has become a habit, conscience atrophies.
I don't like So Mi. she fooled everyone with her lies, even if she had her own reasons. To save herself, she first left Reed to die, then V. She betrayed everyone she knew and hid behind ridiculous excuses. she kept saying she regretted it, but she kept doing the same things. V, who shared the same fate as her, did not do any of this and helped So Mi even though she didn't deserve it. Along with Reed she's trying to kill. In short, So Mi was a selfish and incompetent character. Enough to pull everyone to the bottom with herself.
Girl I am sending you to the moon just to spite Myers, if you told me just before the firecracker that there is only one dose I would still send you to the Moon. And living Alex with dead Reed is just a bonus really.
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse He blackmailed so mi.. he said you can come with us (to myers) or Netwatch will find you. If reed really loved her he would never said anything like this..
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse because his way of helping So Mi is to give her back to Myers who is the whole reason So Mi wants to escape and get help. Reed lies just as much as So Mi but he lies to himself as well to feel better. My importance priority in terms of NUSA characters is Alex > So Mi > Reed > Myers. Why? Because Alex got stuck with no way of knowing why and did nothing wrong, So Mi got recruited by blackmail which turned into a golden cage scenario that ends in death or insanity, Reed suffers by the fact that he can't and doesn't want to be anyone else but loyal FIA agent and Myers is a sociopath.
After completing this ending, i went back and betrayed her. Honestly putting her out of her misery was the best outcome for songbird after all the shit shes been through.
The best endding for songbrid(in my opinoin ) is to side with her, but let Reed take her. She lives, in a dream coma, Reed doesn't have to die like mindless solider, and Alex gets her retirement.
For real, when I sided with Reed on my second playthrough, and she goes on and on how V betrayed her and all... I'm just sitting here going "Really? Seriously? Oh, just fuck off, Song." She just mad V betrayed her before she could betray them.
Yeah, at that point V didnt know. Also Songbird trusts V, he's the only person who understands the position she's in, because he's in it too. Why wouldnt she be upset that V decided to betray her and give her back to Myers.
@@kbhalacy netrunning is what got her in this situation. She would probably try meet V in person and apologize even though she wouldn't be forgiven or lay low and start a new life.
Me personally I prefer the killing her ending. She’s finally at peace and no longer needs to suffer other people manipulating and controlling her or to destroy her. This also forces Red to come to terms with his past as an agent and finally put it to rest. I feel like nature of that ending really fits the themes of the DLC as well
Having resigned myself to a slow death in a few months, I did what I could to give *someone* a good ending - so I let So Mi escape. Only one of us gets out of this alive, and I'll be damned if I die ripe, old, and smelling slightly of urine.
Everyone in the comments crying because the chick lied as if that wasn't obvious since Kurt absconded with her. Ill help her anyway because it gives her the cleanest break from her old life. You take her from the lies, the deciept, the game. And you prove that her ideals that people are only self serving is wrong. That there does exist some modicum of good. And if she feels guilty about it then thats the punishment of living a false life. V killed people like the VDB and lied to people like Takemura. The player is in no real position to judge.
The most incredible character in this game, who was able to evoke the whole range of emotions. From hate to love. No seriously. When I saw her for the first time, I didn’t like her, she was too suspicious. Reed was more likable. But as I progressed, my opinion changed dramatically. In the end, I myself wanted to help her, not because she asked me, but I myself wanted to help her because everything that was done to her was not fair. This is even worse than children on a maniac's farm. she needed to be pulled out of this hell. I hope everything will be fine for her and she will regain her faith in people and help others. Even if V had to die in the canon ending, I would like So Mi to survive and appear in the second part. Such a character cannot be lost.
I let Reed take So Mi after this revelation, I was all for helping her, but to lie and play me that was a no no. I'm compassionate but its not unconditional, because rule never lie to me. If she was open from the get go I would still help her. But because she lied not only I feel cheated but I just wasted what limited amount of time V has all for nothing. So I gave her to Reed. Note I also refuse the cure. His talk with Myers earlier and his views makes Reed untrustworthy as far as I'm concern, and I do not want V be indebt to these two either. As for So Mi well as Christian Bale Batman said "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you either"
So you punished So Mi to literal slavery under powerhungry sociopath for finally telling you one truth after lying to you whole DLC? (which she literally admits to way before the branching of the ending, that she lied about stuff like plane hacking and so on) She literally could've just let you get her into the shuttle not say a word, you would kill Reed, she would fly away and ghost you or think of another lie. You literally betrayed her trust after she finally started trusting you. And you also didn't get anything from that so V for real wasted limited time for nothing.
@@GRIMHOOD99 Calling the Kettle Black She betrayed me from the start by playing and only reveal to me the truth without thinking given her situation. All her talk about trust and help before are hollow and meaningless to my ears after, My time as far as I see is already wasted way before I have decided to abandon her. I didn't give her to Reed since I refuse the offered cure in the end either, so my V's conscious is clear there regardless of what you think. The refusal for the cure was logical, because Reed and Myer has made no indication that they'll support me after the cure. and I have no illusion that they'll throw me to the wild right after the surgery. The only good ending with the surgery, is never betray Reed in the first place and lieu Myer so that after the surgery you now have to option to secure a full time work with FIA with full benefit and retirement to live a quiet life. But I'm compassionate enough to So Mi plight and aware about the NUSA darker parts to not side with Reed in the beginning. If So MI was honest or just never spill in the end I would helped her to the moon.
@@Methyll so if she lied to you to the very end you would help her but because she actually told you the truth and gave you an option you decided to do literal 180 and betray her. Refusal of the cure makes it worse because you are not doing it for any other reason than spite towards the person who tells you lies whole expansion and admits to it on multiple places during the story. You are literally betraying her at the moment she starts to trust you, that's worse than what she is doing whole dlc which is telling her to trust her while she also tells you to trust nobody.
Honestly she kinda would be screwed either way cause if you send her off she'll be like v and cant use implants anymore all the while the nusa is after her theyd eventually get her atleast that seems the most likely to me
I knew Songbird was lying the moment she told me she can cure me 😂 I've already finished the base game before PL. If Alt says there's nothing she can do, then no other netrunners/merc/ripper can help me 😅 Still sent her to the moon 😁
I think some people really just give her a pat on the back for this, a pat on the back that she didn't deserve. The only thing keeping your relationship with So Mi together is her promise. THE PROMISE. When you look at it, she literally used a dying person to her advantage while she herself is dying. So from her perspective, she would know how terrible it would feel for V. V should be as pissed at her as she was when V betrayed her in the other endings. But no, we the players are in control of V and even tho I think V letting her on the moon doesn't really make sense for his/her character, it doesn't matter since the players are in control of V. Letting her on the moon is the best ending since it's the best outcome for everyone but I do not think it is remotely the best both thematically and realistically. Killing Song in the Reed ending is the most in character and thematically appropriate ending in my opinion and my personal favorite ending
V who has been running around all over NC doing favors for Panam, Judy, River, Kerry risking their life whilst already dying in order to assist them in half baked plans like the cloud revolution or stupid gigs like blowing up US-crack gear is out of character for helping someone like Songbird? And no their relationship doesn’t only rely on the promise of a cure. There’s a reason V tells her that they would have helped anyways even if she told them the truth before
@@artsis5585Firstly , you help panam to get a help from him to find Hellman. And for Judy and River its normal to help them out of mercy cause in theese missions you fight against abuser Woodman and some phyco who abducts children . But in Pl our enemies or not "pure evil" and we dont have a personal grudge to Myers or to Reed so Songbird cant expect us to fight with the government and kill reed out of charity . Songbird just lies to save himself and its pretty selfish.
@@artsis5585 I can see your point because V did say he would have helped her anyway. But on the other side, her whole reason of coming to you was on a lie that she could help V with a cure. She was always lying to V, giving V half truths all along the way.
I let her know everytime she asked that I didn't trust her. You notice how hard she was trying to gain trust. For me it feels like it goes against who V and Johnny are to work with the agents. Now if they put up a option to shoot her after that reveal I would've clicked on that. 4:58 and people say Male V voice acting sucks
I like the ending where V tells her "Why didn't you tell me, I would have helped you anyways" Bev the one and only person that cares for So Mi, she has betrayed in cold blood. Makes her desperation shine and her tragedy even more bitter sweet.
I wish there had been more dialogue about her being a WMD witha decaying fuse. That was what kept digging at me. Yeah the WMD has feelings, but that wont blunt the boom.
Regardless of her asking for it I felt I had to zero her in the Cynosure facility, the shear carnage in her wake on the journey there and no idea how bad it was going to get when the last of her finally faded I was never going to give her to someone like Myers, of course it changed and became empathy to see her fading away in her last memories.
considering the point of the whole mission was to get the cure, that was pretty screwwy by songbird this game is literally "who do you hate more to turn against"
I couldn’t leave her to her fate no matter what. Sadly enough she’s like nico robin from one piece and it all came down to me at that point. “When a woman lies a man forgives her” sanji would say 😂 but we would have helped her no matter what, so mi didnt know what to make of it but she too was sorry. Except sorry wasn’t going to get us that cure but we sent her to the moon at the end and we took a shit on arasakas doorstep and went to the illustrious soul prison to take our cure. My V will always have their power.
Good thing I sided with Reed. Myers treated her exactly as she treated everyone else. An object to be used and discarded. Or in her case forever kept in a vegetable state.
Song's rage at V if you take Reed's side is pretty rich, considering she was planning to betray V all along.
She was taught by Reed and to a lesser extent Myers
me when i have no comprehension skills
Blud you didn’t understand nothing
V is the last person she trusts in the world, when V betrays her she loses it because she has no one, so the Blackwall takes over
I think she knew she had to betray v during the escape when it was already to late
"Test of a person's true value? Death. Facing it, staring it down"
The reason why I ultimately helped her, her life is in V’s hand here and she’s finally willing to take the leap of faith in giving her complete trust. I do understand it might be too little too late for some people, but I also don’t want to take someone’s second chance in exchange for my own
@@jaspercheng923 It's funny, cause that's the reason I decided not to help her. To preserve her own life she was willing to betray everyone around her and have countless innocents killed in the process. To me she showed that she's in fact not deserving of my help, especially after confessing to betraying me from the start. She dragged me through it all on a false promise of salvation, that's a really messed up thing to do to someone. And ultimately putting a price on my head and have me be hunted by the NUSA. My understanding was that by giving her up to Reed, it would diminish the already done damage and stop the government from pursuing me and my loved ones (which I was the most worried about). I saw a lot of similarities between her predicament and mine but the difference is essentially the quote above. I ended up with "Don't Fear the Reaper" choice because I felt like there is no way anyone should have to die for my cause. It was always between me and Johnny, so it felt only right to not drag anyone else in this. So Song's choice to put herself above any and every one really goes against everything I believe in.
@@jaspercheng923what a terrible take. Do you let people take advantage of you in real life like that too?
@@DragonZombie2000they probably do lol fucking pansies I swear
Depending on when you play Phantom Liberty, V knows they have other options/leads for a cure (Alt and Mikoshi), so he's not entirely hopeless as some people try to make out. If this was literally his only chance at a cure like Songbird, then that's a different story.
I don't blame people who do decide to give her up when she's tells the truth but for my V, he has too much empathy to do that. Yeah, she lied and strung us along but given how extremely desperate she was it's totally understandable. I imagine a lot of people would do the same, the primal urge for self-preservation is one of the strongest forces in the world. Plus, giving her up, after everything V went through to get there felt like it would be a betrayal of themselves. Even though, Song lied and betrayed us, V did not betray people like that, so putting her on the plane was V showing himself that he was better than Song in that respect. Lastly, the fact that the guilt was so overwhelming that she fesses up at the literal finish line and leaves herself completely vulnerable to you tells me she is a good person deep down, even with her flaws (manipulation and selfishness, which are likely exacerbated by her desperation to survive). In an alternate reality where she wasn't dying, I don't think she would be nearly as selfish or manipulative as she in in this DLC.
Also fuck Reed, he's just the NUSA Takemura: a loyal corpo lapdog too afraid to break the leash of his abuser. I think Reed has some blame in creating the events of Phantom Liberty: "recruiting" Songbird and then choosing to dig and and double down in Dogtown rather than evacuate his team at the earliest possible chance during the 4th Corporate War. If he chose to evacuate instead, I think the events of Phantom Liberty would have never happened.
Well actually, I didn't have high hopes when I knew songbird's plan at the beginning, so when I noticed she was haunted by the black wall, I just wanted to help her. The moment she told me that the plan was a lie, I didn't really feel anger but pity for her, a girl who tricked everybody she loved just to survive is heartbreaking, that's why I chose the calm dialogue when I talked to her.
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same. when she confessed, i was like "well, i expected this"
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I dialed Reed immediately after hearing this 😂
Me too 🤣🤣
Same. I became an enemy to a damn country by trusting you. F you
The divide in the comments is a testament to how good this twist is, the writing, acting, everything coming together to make you feel anger, pity, disdain and empathy, all the same time.
the cyberpunk community are treating this game like is mass effect
honestly as i carried her into the spaceport, i didnt know why i was helping her. Then it clicked. I just wanted to make one, tiny thing better in this fucked up world.
The music in this game is seriously special
Mr. Blue eyes is holding umbrella and watching you
I hope he has a hot dog stand on the moon
Fucking G man wannabe
0:12, look top-right, it’s Mr. Blue Eyes holding an umbrella watching over you and Song. He’s the one who gave her the tickets to the moon. What a wild guy man.
how on earth did you notice that 😭
you got a good eyes my friend
I was highly sceptical of SoMi for so long, and the more I was getting to know her, the more I realised I couldn't trust her, at every turn she was screwing over and betraying everyone she worked with, and I knew that she would screw V over in some way.
Did she have her reasons? Absolutely, but just like her, V is also fighting to live and SoMi took advantage of that knowing full well she'd never deliver on her promise.
So you rather side with Reed that man with broken principles with no identity of his own
@@snappyego908 over a woman with no morals or loyalty to anyone but herself? Absolutely
@@dragonquest8ftw1 she is dying Lil bro. Not everyone is Arthur Morgan lmao
@@snappyego908 "in a persons last moments, they reveal who they truly are." There's no excuse for So-Mi, V is also dying and he isn't screwing over and betraying his friends to survive.
@@snappyego908 she literally said twice that she's completely ok with lots of ppl dying just so she can live
if the roles were reverse i doubt songbird would help me
reed at least tells the truth. most of it, at least. hate feds, hate ppl who stab me in the back even more.
7:42 the ultimate cope from songbird’s groupies 💀😂
How people defend Songbird I can’t get it lol. They said they sent her moon because V and So Mi are same. Bro wtf 😂 Then you should take cure for yourself because that what she does. So they are not same.
V takes the cure : “NOO YOU BETRAY SO MI YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN”
Songbird takes the cure after telling V that she lied to him : “Oh my queen 🫅 yes yes I understand your motivation. You and V are the same “
“You’ll fight. Keep looking. You’re stronger than I am, V. Stronger than anyone else I knew.”
As much as her betrayal hurt this truth I kept in my mind ever since firestarter. I knew So Mi’s cure was too good to be true but I still suck it out because I knew I had options at least. I had the Aldecados, Rogue, and hell just myself if needed. So Mi has none of that. She was brought up within a nest of snakes and used to the point of insanity. The neural matrix is her only hope.
She was still wrong to betray us but when that’s literally all she knows and all she can do I can’t help but empathize. Especially knowing that all other endings she’s right about V and gets betrayed. Hard choices all around.
Yes. And even though Song betrayed V, she actually confessed to V before she was entirely safe and did not wait for last moment to f*ck V over, she at least gave V the choice, the choice to help or give Song up. And that little thing she did won over V's heart. In a world as cruel as Cyberpunk 2077, the best you can expect is brutal truth even if the end is sad one should still be glad they were at least given a choice(in case of So Mi).
@@Ambiguousss The sad thing is that when you have to make the choice in Firestarter Reed was really planning on helping her. If she didn't ran away Reed would be able to help her. But Reed didn't trust So Mi enough to help without to ability to shut her down and So Mi didn't trust Reed enough.
That just makes everything even sadder. It didn't have to come down to this.
@@judeu nah, reed might try to help, but he is loyal to myers, and i am sure he would give her up in a heartbeat
Thing is, V has no other options. Anything involving Mikoshi is V dying and replaced by a copy (which is dying too), as Alt explained.
Hell, I don't like her, I think she's been using and abusing everyone since the start of the DLC, but... What Meyers and the FIA did is much worse, orders of magnitude worse. My V is an edgerunner, she believes in the souls of people winning out over corrupt corpos, so I'll help her and let her own conscience be damned afterwards. Imagine her surprise when she turns on the news in Tycho and sees V solo Arasaka tower.
It's like this girl is going for all the wrong choices. Even if she lives how can she be happy knowing she betrayed every single person that ever helped her?
The only person that ever helped her is V and only in this ending. Reed, Myers, the NUSA, etc... they all claim they're "helping" her or "saving" her or "protecting" her, and they've done the same since she was 18-19 and had her arm twisted into joining the feds. It's right in her name- Songbird, a type of bird whose wings are usually clipped, is kept in a gilded cage, and made to sing on demand as a trick. A tool, not a living thing.
@@JB-xl2jc Reed has helped her in the past, even if it made her into becoming basically a slave. It was either that path or be purged by Netwatch. Like I said, girl only makes bad decisions.
@@AngellGaby I would argue that wasn't really "help" lol maybe he thought it was, but threatening a teenager's family and friends with death to get them to start an oath of permanent servitude isn't really that helpful
@@AngellGaby and that's where her dodging consequences started so no Reed didn't helped her Reed set her up on this trail
@@AngellGabymy man, I don't think putting her on a path where she became a freaking cyborg puppet for a government is "helping". If Song knew what awaited her, she would have rather offed herself right from the start.
I can never bring myself to hand her over to Myers but let's not kid ourselves on who Song is. She may feel guilty about it but ultimately there is no one she won't sacrifice to save herself. Whether it be her enemies, random people who never wronged her, or even those who care for her she always comes first. She didn't even rebel against Myers until it started effecting her own survival.
Call me a POS, but I could not forgive her after she admitted that. I felt truly sorry for her, and wanted to help her, but betraying someone's trust like that is just the absolute worst.
i feel ya, but shes in the same boat as you. willing to do ANYTHING for survival. Think of the countless crowds of people V has slaughtered for the same reason. I still wouldnt choose the phantom liberty ending though, let her go and get her cure on the moon. V's life 2 years later is fuckin sad, better to go out in a blaze of glory.
Besides, ive always said i think V's cure is actually easy af in any ending but the hanako one. the tech exists to fix it.
i called you pos but youtube hide it i think
@@ertanaksoz I really appreciate your honesty.
@@declancampbell1277Yknow that in all the other endings except Phantom Liberty’s ending V only has a couple months to live after right?
@@Quantum1244I wouldn’t call that living…the other PL ending just doesn’t seem worth it. To live at the cost of what needed to be done
Dawg I sat there for like 20 minutes choosing whether or not to forgive her 😭😭
I LOVE MV's delivery in this scene. He really conveys the feeling of betrayal really well.
People get really hurt by this twist, and I don't blame them one bit, I was too. But, to be fair, for V to get the same ending he also has to betray songbird.
I got that when I did this, so I didn't blame her at all, just understood she was doing what she needed to do to live just like me.
I realized Phantom Liberty isn't V's story, it's hers.
I let her go on the rocket and didn't shame her for anything.
I let Reed take So Mi after this revelation, I was all for helping her, but to lie and play me that was a no no. I'm compassionate but its not unconditional, biggest rule never lie to me. If she was open from the get go I would still help her regardless. But because she lied not only I feel cheated but I feel I just wasted what limited amount of time V has, all for nothing. So I gave her to Reed. Note I also refuse the cure after. His talk with Myers earlier and his views makes Reed untrustworthy as far as I'm concern, and I do not want V be indebt to these two either. As for So Mi well as Christian Bale Batman said "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you either"
yes its her story, but just because she is the leading woman doesn't mean I intend to follow the script especially when being played from the get go.
@@Methyll exactly did the same thing, went with Songbird but after this I gave her to Reed wanting nothing in return
@@jn4003 Ah so she lies to you whole game and when she actually tells you the truth your decision is to sell her to slavery for nothing in return. How moral of you.
@@Methyll Basically gave the NUSA their WMD back for nothing. I still think that letting her go to the rocketship is more fulfilling, at least thematically in this path. But the best ending for me is killing So Mi on the path of siding with Reed. While I don't like Alex dying via this decision, at least no one gets their WMD. Not Mr. Blue Eyes nor Myers. You'll basically set Songbird free because there is technically nothing left of her by the end even if she survives in any ending. And Reed, while pissed at you first, will call you later on and admit you were right and now will set a different path in life. Though not thrilled that the death of two women close to him had to die for him to get this character development, but dope thing about Cyberpunk is that all decisions are conflicting.
@@badboy14132 that's true the biggest issue in being NUSA gets the WMD back, but I didn't play V as some kind of major character in the great conflict for the balance of power between the Corps and Nations. To my V its always his own morale and live. So the idea of the NUSA having a major advantage in the end did not all that matter much. Bottom line unlike alot of people here in these replies, I'm not playing V as a Hero or a rebellious Silverhand, I played as just an individual, who is in a tough situation, but still has his own morale guidelines, and is a much more compassionate individual, he has his own limits and those that he will not cross for anyone.
aka my V he is all for helping the needy open to people BUT you have to be honest with him and do not lie or cross him. Note I chose don't fear the Reaper route I was not about to risk the lives of the people that were more honest to me than So Mi. And as far as he is concern he is not betraying So Mi because I did not trade her for the Cure. that's the biggest difference.
Also calling the Kettle Black So Mi betrayed V way earlier and people fail to notice if So Mi wasn't losing it by the end, she would not have reveal that she was playing you from the start. So I generally don't see anything wrong in this regard
Not gonna lie, I hated her for lying to me this whole time, but I promised I would help her get to the moon, so I kept my word. And with Myers and Reed hunting her down, even if I did give Songbird to them, there was no guarantee that I would get the cure instead. I mean they were pretty hell-bent on bringing us in, or bringing us down. So at that point, it felt like I had no choice but to send her to the moon, even when it brought me back to square one. Also killing Reed did not help. At all.
To me, killing Reed felt like the last blow to a dysfunctional family that has been brushing their problems under the rug for seven years. Myers, Song, Reed and Alex all have so much baggage that they never once acknowledged until now, and it's too damn late. Fuck their whole thing, let Alex live in Monaco, Song be free on the moon, her conscience be damned. Set Reed free from his remorse and guilt that would only grow if he got Song, and feel satisfaction that Myers tried to cheat the system for power, putting everyone at risk and it all blew up in her face.
Johnny hit the nail - it's really takes character to be a 150% bastard, and it deserves respect in a way. But gurl, you fucked this exactly one man who really tries to help you. The pangs of conscience are, of course, scary, but I wouldn't count on them. Once betrayed, she will betray again. And again. And again. And when betrayal has become a habit, conscience atrophies.
I don't like So Mi. she fooled everyone with her lies, even if she had her own reasons. To save herself, she first left Reed to die, then V. She betrayed everyone she knew and hid behind ridiculous excuses. she kept saying she regretted it, but she kept doing the same things. V, who shared the same fate as her, did not do any of this and helped So Mi even though she didn't deserve it. Along with Reed she's trying to kill. In short, So Mi was a selfish and incompetent character. Enough to pull everyone to the bottom with herself.
yap yap
@@tigrispanthera5496but if this was some Songbird appreciation comment you’d be sucking her off like the majority of her groupies 😂
facts facts
this.
Girl I am sending you to the moon just to spite Myers, if you told me just before the firecracker that there is only one dose I would still send you to the Moon. And living Alex with dead Reed is just a bonus really.
damn why you hate reed so much?
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
He blackmailed so mi.. he said you can come with us (to myers) or Netwatch will find you.
If reed really loved her he would never said anything like this..
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse because his way of helping So Mi is to give her back to Myers who is the whole reason So Mi wants to escape and get help. Reed lies just as much as So Mi but he lies to himself as well to feel better.
My importance priority in terms of NUSA characters is Alex > So Mi > Reed > Myers. Why? Because Alex got stuck with no way of knowing why and did nothing wrong, So Mi got recruited by blackmail which turned into a golden cage scenario that ends in death or insanity, Reed suffers by the fact that he can't and doesn't want to be anyone else but loyal FIA agent and Myers is a sociopath.
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouseBecause he is braindead to Myers
@@Afterdark68you stupid pucking fool. If she didn’t join the FIA, Netwatch would kill her and her friends. Reed saved her stupid ass
and as Deshawn said die in a blaze of glory
Put her on the shuttle.
After completing this ending, i went back and betrayed her. Honestly putting her out of her misery was the best outcome for songbird after all the shit shes been through.
The best endding for songbrid(in my opinoin ) is to side with her, but let Reed take her. She lives, in a dream coma, Reed doesn't have to die like mindless solider, and Alex gets her retirement.
So she was lying to you the whole time about there being a cure, but then gets all upset when you side with Reed? Really?
For real, when I sided with Reed on my second playthrough, and she goes on and on how V betrayed her and all... I'm just sitting here going "Really? Seriously? Oh, just fuck off, Song." She just mad V betrayed her before she could betray them.
@@Mulluns Indeed, she knew all along she was screwing you over lol.
Yeah, at that point V didnt know. Also Songbird trusts V, he's the only person who understands the position she's in, because he's in it too. Why wouldnt she be upset that V decided to betray her and give her back to Myers.
@@bickyrib Because she was planning to betray V all along?
@@FrontSideBus yeah and? Did you play the game? Did you read my comment? She has every right to be upset if you betray her.
If songbird ever tried to befriend us again in another dlc after I saved her I can assure you I'd try to kill her.
If she escaped to the moon I would not be surprised if she met Lucy and decided to go be a netrunner again
@@kbhalacy netrunning is what got her in this situation. She would probably try meet V in person and apologize even though she wouldn't be forgiven or lay low and start a new life.
Me personally I prefer the killing her ending. She’s finally at peace and no longer needs to suffer other people manipulating and controlling her or to destroy her. This also forces Red to come to terms with his past as an agent and finally put it to rest. I feel like nature of that ending really fits the themes of the DLC as well
Having resigned myself to a slow death in a few months, I did what I could to give *someone* a good ending - so I let So Mi escape. Only one of us gets out of this alive, and I'll be damned if I die ripe, old, and smelling slightly of urine.
Why lie to v? V would literally kill Myers for 9k eddies
I’d do it for free gladly
Yeah lol then be desucted 2k because V storms in, guns a'blazing. Stealth? What stealth? 🤣
Everyone in the comments crying because the chick lied as if that wasn't obvious since Kurt absconded with her. Ill help her anyway because it gives her the cleanest break from her old life. You take her from the lies, the deciept, the game. And you prove that her ideals that people are only self serving is wrong. That there does exist some modicum of good. And if she feels guilty about it then thats the punishment of living a false life. V killed people like the VDB and lied to people like Takemura. The player is in no real position to judge.
true, v should be their own character, not a reflection of the player
“Modicum of good” lmao what makes you think songbird won’t continue to betray people or *test her ideals*
@@laughingtothebanklikehahah3618 Because she doesn't. Eat shit
I knew it was gonna happen but she didnt deserve this so sent her to the moon free the bird
The most incredible character in this game, who was able to evoke the whole range of emotions. From hate to love. No seriously. When I saw her for the first time, I didn’t like her, she was too suspicious. Reed was more likable. But as I progressed, my opinion changed dramatically. In the end, I myself wanted to help her, not because she asked me, but I myself wanted to help her because everything that was done to her was not fair. This is even worse than children on a maniac's farm. she needed to be pulled out of this hell. I hope everything will be fine for her and she will regain her faith in people and help others. Even if V had to die in the canon ending, I would like So Mi to survive and appear in the second part. Such a character cannot be lost.
I let Reed take So Mi after this revelation, I was all for helping her, but to lie and play me that was a no no. I'm compassionate but its not unconditional, because rule never lie to me. If she was open from the get go I would still help her. But because she lied not only I feel cheated but I just wasted what limited amount of time V has all for nothing. So I gave her to Reed. Note I also refuse the cure. His talk with Myers earlier and his views makes Reed untrustworthy as far as I'm concern, and I do not want V be indebt to these two either. As for So Mi well as Christian Bale Batman said "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you either"
So you punished So Mi to literal slavery under powerhungry sociopath for finally telling you one truth after lying to you whole DLC? (which she literally admits to way before the branching of the ending, that she lied about stuff like plane hacking and so on)
She literally could've just let you get her into the shuttle not say a word, you would kill Reed, she would fly away and ghost you or think of another lie. You literally betrayed her trust after she finally started trusting you. And you also didn't get anything from that so V for real wasted limited time for nothing.
@@GRIMHOOD99 Calling the Kettle Black She betrayed me from the start by playing and only reveal to me the truth without thinking given her situation. All her talk about trust and help before are hollow and meaningless to my ears after, My time as far as I see is already wasted way before I have decided to abandon her. I didn't give her to Reed since I refuse the offered cure in the end either, so my V's conscious is clear there regardless of what you think. The refusal for the cure was logical, because Reed and Myer has made no indication that they'll support me after the cure. and I have no illusion that they'll throw me to the wild right after the surgery.
The only good ending with the surgery, is never betray Reed in the first place and lieu Myer so that after the surgery you now have to option to secure a full time work with FIA with full benefit and retirement to live a quiet life. But I'm compassionate enough to So Mi plight and aware about the NUSA darker parts to not side with Reed in the beginning. If So MI was honest or just never spill in the end I would helped her to the moon.
You're gonna give a war criminal government one of the most horrifying weapons in history because you were butthurt?
@@Methyll so if she lied to you to the very end you would help her but because she actually told you the truth and gave you an option you decided to do literal 180 and betray her. Refusal of the cure makes it worse because you are not doing it for any other reason than spite towards the person who tells you lies whole expansion and admits to it on multiple places during the story. You are literally betraying her at the moment she starts to trust you, that's worse than what she is doing whole dlc which is telling her to trust her while she also tells you to trust nobody.
ah yes, nothing like being desk jocky in Langley after being the best merc in Night City, I’m sure your yearly 5 sick days are worth it
Honestly she kinda would be screwed either way cause if you send her off she'll be like v and cant use implants anymore all the while the nusa is after her theyd eventually get her atleast that seems the most likely to me
Ok but like did anyone really think there was a cure to begin with? 😂
I knew Songbird was lying the moment she told me she can cure me 😂 I've already finished the base game before PL. If Alt says there's nothing she can do, then no other netrunners/merc/ripper can help me 😅 Still sent her to the moon 😁
imagine justifying lying
I think some people really just give her a pat on the back for this, a pat on the back that she didn't deserve. The only thing keeping your relationship with So Mi together is her promise. THE PROMISE. When you look at it, she literally used a dying person to her advantage while she herself is dying. So from her perspective, she would know how terrible it would feel for V. V should be as pissed at her as she was when V betrayed her in the other endings. But no, we the players are in control of V and even tho I think V letting her on the moon doesn't really make sense for his/her character, it doesn't matter since the players are in control of V. Letting her on the moon is the best ending since it's the best outcome for everyone but I do not think it is remotely the best both thematically and realistically. Killing Song in the Reed ending is the most in character and thematically appropriate ending in my opinion and my personal favorite ending
V who has been running around all over NC doing favors for Panam, Judy, River, Kerry risking their life whilst already dying in order to assist them in half baked plans like the cloud revolution or stupid gigs like blowing up US-crack gear is out of character for helping someone like Songbird? And no their relationship doesn’t only rely on the promise of a cure. There’s a reason V tells her that they would have helped anyways even if she told them the truth before
@@artsis5585Firstly , you help panam to get a help from him to find Hellman. And for Judy and River its normal to help them out of mercy cause in theese missions you fight against abuser Woodman and some phyco who abducts children . But in Pl our enemies or not "pure evil" and we dont have a personal grudge to Myers or to Reed so Songbird cant expect us to fight with the government and kill reed out of charity . Songbird just lies to save himself and its pretty selfish.
@@artsis5585 I can see your point because V did say he would have helped her anyway. But on the other side, her whole reason of coming to you was on a lie that she could help V with a cure. She was always lying to V, giving V half truths all along the way.
@@artsis5585Well you stupid. You will get what you deserve if you help them. They pay you lol. And they don’t lie to. So Mi is different are you dumb
To be real I should've been able to take that flight instead of her if I wanted.
I let her know everytime she asked that I didn't trust her. You notice how hard she was trying to gain trust. For me it feels like it goes against who V and Johnny are to work with the agents. Now if they put up a option to shoot her after that reveal I would've clicked on that. 4:58 and people say Male V voice acting sucks
I mean male v’s voice sucks
I like the ending where V tells her "Why didn't you tell me, I would have helped you anyways"
Bev the one and only person that cares for So Mi, she has betrayed in cold blood. Makes her desperation shine and her tragedy even more bitter sweet.
I wish there had been more dialogue about her being a WMD witha decaying fuse. That was what kept digging at me. Yeah the WMD has feelings, but that wont blunt the boom.
Regardless of her asking for it I felt I had to zero her in the Cynosure facility, the shear carnage in her wake on the journey there and no idea how bad it was going to get when the last of her finally faded I was never going to give her to someone like Myers, of course it changed and became empathy to see her fading away in her last memories.
Why does the moving train sound like when you're about to be spotted while sneaking? Blackwall AIs... are watching...
considering the point of the whole mission was to get the cure, that was pretty screwwy by songbird
this game is literally "who do you hate more to turn against"
I couldn’t leave her to her fate no matter what. Sadly enough she’s like nico robin from one piece and it all came down to me at that point. “When a woman lies a man forgives her” sanji would say 😂 but we would have helped her no matter what, so mi didnt know what to make of it but she too was sorry.
Except sorry wasn’t going to get us that cure but we sent her to the moon at the end and we took a shit on arasakas doorstep and went to the illustrious soul prison to take our cure. My V will always have their power.
Good thing I sided with Reed. Myers treated her exactly as she treated everyone else. An object to be used and discarded. Or in her case forever kept in a vegetable state.