Accountability and catharsis are not the same thing. We simply cannot go on without accountability. There are real monsters that need to be brought to heel.
Have you considered the case of Xi Jingping? He might just be the most atrocious person in recent times. I think the point of this video is not that he shouldn't be held accountable, but that the way to do it might take serious work. He has needed to be dealt with for a long time and probably won't kick a bucket tomorrow. Anyway, we 'simply can go on without accountability'. We've been doing it. Are you really methodically thinking about what to do next? What's the order for those specific goals? 'Catharsis' seems to me more like the DNC slogan for the last election, like, "we're going to have a joyful time struggling forever to make everyone agree with us." It doesn't matter if most of the world disagrees, as long as we're still alive and reasonable. Any bribed bureaucrats that are killed are too easy to replace, so that's not cost-effective if nothing else. And that might just include people like Hunter Biden. I'd rather do the reasonable things to improve everything. It's still possible to be influential. Many people have come back over, forsaking wokeness or whatever, because of this way of thinking.
The thing is, they will not stop. The ones who broke the law and those who completely disregarded the law must be held accountable. Otherwise, they'll just keep doing the same thing. It's not about revenge
Absolutely. They believe in permanent revolution, because they're on the "right side of history". Whenever you hear that phrase you know you're dealing with followers of Karl, Vladimir and Mao.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms." (Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers)
Justitia is an old soul, goes back to Augustus Caesar. She wears a blindfold because she regards the person of no man; scales to weigh the transgression against her, and the sword in the other hand to execute justice (her sole prerogative). Someone murders someone - what is the weight to counterbalance the weight of a life? 14 years of the murderer's freedom? We no longer have the stomach for justice; we are sub-just / unjust. We cloak this from ourselves by pretending justice equals revenge, and that we are above revenge, when, in fact, we are beneath justice.
Accountability has to be assured, though. For example, the J6 committee all have to be punished with fines, disbarment (for any lawyers), and jail time for some of the spearheading members.
Justice needs to be served. This means a very narrow line needs to be walked between severe punishments through a judicial process for those that knowingly incited revolution, particularly from high positions of public trust and forgiveness granted for the class of indoctrinated and useful idiots. More importantly, books and books and books need to be published to make sure this period in American and world history is documented accurately in detail and required in American schools or it will return even more fiercely than before.
Accountability Because without it, the downward spiral continues. There’s a reason public capital punishment used to exist. The cause and effect of tyranny to those that would impose it on others.
I could be your grandmother. What you've presented here is a false dilemma. I've been following you. I really was impressed by your intellect. However, you did not identify the enemy, not once. The damage done to society would take several human lives to reverse. The sins are immeasurable. What do you mean by catharsis? We were subject to the greatest scam in history; the biggest assault on our freedom; we may never recover mentally. Would you not identify the perpetrators of this enormous crime? Would you not celebrate if the perpetrators were found guilty and executed? The millions who were murdered? Maimed? Let's be adults? Cowardice is somehow equal to being an adult? Or... you act on behalf the Ourobouros?! Masonic wizardry.
Agree. Pretending we won now and everything is fine, meanwhile they're still calling for the same nonsense and blocking efforts to move forward. James has spoke WAY too soon. There will be no healing without accountability.
We are also subject to: Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired…”Forgiveness” is meant to support your view, at present, as well as Respectfulness, and the Bible says also to “submit one to another”….i see a great need to give myself adequate time AWAY from “strife”..Proverbs 20:3. You make an excellent point, and i see it too.
"submit one to another" I don't think that means submit to your enemy, the infidels that don't believe anymore in the exercise of civilization, they're too comfy in their hedonism.
"Now that my political party won, your anger isn't useful anymore. So get over it and go back to working your life away for the government that treated you worse than dogshit"
Catharsis is a psychological concept that makes hydraulic metaphors for emotions. It does not seem that this model describes reality. Human emotions do not get contained, repressed or released in a way that conserves their overall volume or quality. They can be cooled down or fired up at will. We don't need catharsis.
Canadian here. Thank you and YES. This will be a big challenge. Its time to focus on the positive, build something new and let go the impulse to retribution. My focus is to build tech enabled tools to bring people together in-real-life agian, to help provide an alternative to social media and apps particularly for singles. I will focus on this and try to ignore the long list of those I have utter and complete contempt for. I believe we can push for change without letting our hatreds block our ability to think.
This is not about retribution from an emotional place. This is about restoring the law and common sense in society. For that, and for real healing, there must be accountability. I appreciate you trying to create something new and good. But we're not going to pretend that we didn't just get punched in the face. Which some women literally did.
Best said. Now, down and majority of people believe it? Which majority? And what can we ACTUALLY even still effect with the legal system corrupt, the regime at all levels corrupt. But, very well stated. It is at yhis point in humanity which we find ourselves with a crucial choice.
There must be accountability or the next time the people who did all the things you discussed are back in power, they will repeat all the crimes of their predecessors, but twice as hard because they now *know* that they will experience no consequences for doing so.
I agree in not going to the extreme. We need to keep in mind those caught between the two and to not let them be swayed by the leftist instigator's cries of victmhood. In times of anger, the wrathful words of the Old Testament Jehova has more appeal.
Brian Baker spent six years in prison on a false grape charge. When he proved himself innocent, his accuser was told she was a very naughty girl. It's so nice to do that on a national scale.
"Patience my Dear! Learn to conquer your Appetites and Passions! Know thyself, came down from Heaven, and the Government of ones own soul requires greater Parts and Virtues than the Management of Kingdoms, and the Conquest of the disorderly rebellious Principles in our Nature, is more glorious than the acquisition of Universal Dominion. Did you ever read Epictetus? He was a sensible Man. I advise you to read him: and indeed I should have given this advice, before you undertook to read this." -John Adams to his wife, April 20th. 1763
tl;dr James says there shouldn't be any truth and reconciliation though the most mealy-mouthed way possible. He just wants you to take his word in this.
Ok James, we get it, you dont want to be purged in the Far Right Future you are so afraid of being helping define right now, and you dont want to be seen as a gatekeeper progressive that still defends liberalism... "ok guys, guys, hold down your Ak47, nobody purges James he is an ally of the Trump Regime, remember he helped us define this movement so we dont destroy ourselfs " XD
tl;dr "The most important thing is to not harness this momentum to enact any change that would make us something other than 1990's liberal democrats." "Also all the people who did all those evil things and still want to do all those evil things should retain their wealth, influence and positions of power."
I suspect that a large number of Woke activists will regret the damage they've done to themselves in the name of a revolution that cannot succeed. I'm thinking of everything from transitioning and self-sterilization to loss of reputation and loss of financial stability. I see these people as the disposable vanguard of Woke activism. They will need compassion. To my thinking, if we focus on preserving civilization we allow for compassion.
What happens if they refuse compassion? It’s a pertinent possibility given that they have wrapped up their identities with contempt for Western Civ and its proponents.
Compassion requires humility from the recipient. If the wokel is too proud to accept your sympathy (and they are not when they think they are winning) then there is nothing to be resolved with compassion. Sometimes cancer needs to be cut or the host dies. Note that almost all woke people put children second after themselves. Pro choice, trans, etc. none of these things actually produce a child who capable of getting a job and having grandchildren. Woke is trash that will take itself out in a generation or so.
@@leonardticsay8046 They're going to need help, and it's in their thinking that "somebody else" owes them. A large number of the most active Woke activists are going to need medical help and financial help as time goes on. We should all be ready a healthcare epidemic in the making.
Not one tangible example in this whole video to elucidate the difference between justice and catharsis? Get back to the ideas and theory and stop this moralizing and scolding nonsense. You do know who you are starting to sound like?
Hey, any christians listening? I keep thinking "the Bible says the Gospel is foolish to wise ppl, requires the faith of a child, and not sight" and ppl tell me to approach my faith through practices, experiences, and emotions more than logic. Are there any Christian scholars that do an honest attempt at understanding Christianity in a more enlightenment rational + empirical reasonable way? I feel even Christian academics i meet are oddly concerned with woke ethics and sentimentality instead of cold logical truth. Is Christianity fundamentally at odds with the Enlightenment like I've been told time and again? I do like arguments for theism and I'd bet on the Bible over other major religious texts, but I'm honestly concerned to allow myself to just get swept up in this "Christianity is MY truth, man!" postmodern muck.
Sure, follow the law, but the law must be enforced. I used to be on the Left and can assure you accountability and responsibility are their kryptonite.
Polybius seems to be mostly correct. We are doomed to an endless cycle. Anarahcy to monarchy to tryanny to aristocracy to oligarchy to democracy to domagogy back to anarchy. Sometimes a step is skipped but it seems to be a cycle most cultures around the world go/have gone through. Humans are fallible and too emotional. Democracy is doomed to fail because the idea of democracy is predicated on a fully informed and rational public. We simply do not have that, nor will we ever. My solution? A triad of benevolent, transcendent AI. Get to work programmers.
James, I really appreciate the work you did digging into the roots of wokeness, but you've really lost the plot with Trump. Sure, he's anti-woke. He's also anti-democracy, anti-rule of law, anti-peaceful international cooperation, and anti-honesty and integrity. Yes, the next years will be crucial for thr fate of America and the world, but not in the way you imagine.
I don't want revenge, I want accountability. Without that, it's just like living with an alcoholic where we pretend everything's fine.
As an alcoholic, I agree. That is why I drink alone and still nothing is fine. The end of my self-affliction is coming.
Accountability and catharsis are not the same thing. We simply cannot go on without accountability. There are real monsters that need to be brought to heel.
Absolutely agree.
Exactly. Not revenge, accountability. It's the only way to heal and move forward, making things better.
hear hear
Please define "accountability". How do you see that playing out?
Have you considered the case of Xi Jingping? He might just be the most atrocious person in recent times. I think the point of this video is not that he shouldn't be held accountable, but that the way to do it might take serious work. He has needed to be dealt with for a long time and probably won't kick a bucket tomorrow.
Anyway, we 'simply can go on without accountability'. We've been doing it. Are you really methodically thinking about what to do next? What's the order for those specific goals?
'Catharsis' seems to me more like the DNC slogan for the last election, like, "we're going to have a joyful time struggling forever to make everyone agree with us." It doesn't matter if most of the world disagrees, as long as we're still alive and reasonable. Any bribed bureaucrats that are killed are too easy to replace, so that's not cost-effective if nothing else. And that might just include people like Hunter Biden.
I'd rather do the reasonable things to improve everything. It's still possible to be influential. Many people have come back over, forsaking wokeness or whatever, because of this way of thinking.
The thing is, they will not stop. The ones who broke the law and those who completely disregarded the law must be held accountable. Otherwise, they'll just keep doing the same thing. It's not about revenge
Absolutely. They believe in permanent revolution, because they're on the "right side of history". Whenever you hear that phrase you know you're dealing with followers of Karl, Vladimir and Mao.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms." (Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers)
"Would you like to know more?"
The bugs, from Brain Dead have invaded.
Justitia is an old soul, goes back to Augustus Caesar. She wears a blindfold because she regards the person of no man; scales to weigh the transgression against her, and the sword in the other hand to execute justice (her sole prerogative). Someone murders someone - what is the weight to counterbalance the weight of a life? 14 years of the murderer's freedom? We no longer have the stomach for justice; we are sub-just / unjust. We cloak this from ourselves by pretending justice equals revenge, and that we are above revenge, when, in fact, we are beneath justice.
You may have a good point.
Catharsis is important to the national psyche, but it can be celebratory instead of violent.
Catheters are nothing to celebrate.
That's what Greek and Shakespearan tragedy is all about.
@@thereignofthezero225 They still help to bring release.
@@thereignofthezero225 They allow you to let it all out.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Accountability
Dude, We need justices equal to any citizen Crimes occurred punishments should applied
People did not follow the law, and there were no consequences. There needs to be consequences so in the future, people will follow the law.
Accountability has to be assured, though. For example, the J6 committee all have to be punished with fines, disbarment (for any lawyers), and jail time for some of the spearheading members.
Justice needs to be served. This means a very narrow line needs to be walked between severe punishments through a judicial process for those that knowingly incited revolution, particularly from high positions of public trust and forgiveness granted for the class of indoctrinated and useful idiots. More importantly, books and books and books need to be published to make sure this period in American and world history is documented accurately in detail and required in American schools or it will return even more fiercely than before.
There must be "Capital J" Justice.
Does South Africa after apartheid give us a model for civilization?
NO.
No, because they chose catharsis.
We're not going to pretend we didnt just get punched in the face. And some women literally did.
Accountability
Because without it, the downward spiral continues.
There’s a reason public capital punishment used to exist.
The cause and effect of tyranny to those that would impose it on others.
You mean like invading and absorbing foreign nations by force?
I could be your grandmother. What you've presented here is a false dilemma. I've been following you. I really was impressed by your intellect. However, you did not identify the enemy, not once. The damage done to society would take several human lives to reverse. The sins are immeasurable. What do you mean by catharsis? We were subject to the greatest scam in history; the biggest assault on our freedom; we may never recover mentally. Would you not identify the perpetrators of this enormous crime? Would you not celebrate if the perpetrators were found guilty and executed? The millions who were murdered? Maimed? Let's be adults? Cowardice is somehow equal to being an adult? Or... you act on behalf the Ourobouros?! Masonic wizardry.
Agree. Pretending we won now and everything is fine, meanwhile they're still calling for the same nonsense and blocking efforts to move forward. James has spoke WAY too soon. There will be no healing without accountability.
I’m gonna cop that Oroboros line for later 💯
In a real war our priest, JamesLindsay, tells one side to turn the other cheek
Capital punishment. How else are they gonna learn?
One invisible comment. Thank you for your efforts.
Another common, for the algorithm.
You are calling for forgiving traitors, James, trying to save your fellow academics?
We are also subject to: Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired…”Forgiveness” is meant to support your view, at present, as well as Respectfulness, and the Bible says also to “submit one to another”….i see a great need to give myself adequate time AWAY from “strife”..Proverbs 20:3. You make an excellent point, and i see it too.
"submit one to another" I don't think that means submit to your enemy, the infidels that don't believe anymore in the exercise of civilization, they're too comfy in their hedonism.
"Now that my political party won, your anger isn't useful anymore. So get over it and go back to working your life away for the government that treated you worse than dogshit"
careful james, this talk of "civilization" sounds pretty woke right. wouldn't wanna get labeled now
Catharsis is useless, but justice is necessary.
If you never celebrate or even recognize victory in any capacity, what are you even working towards?
@socklips7655 peace and prosperity.
You'd better be awful careful not to confuse them, though.
@electricelephant7471 of course.
@theconceptofbass you have a twisted sense of justice.
And that's why you lost.
Little girl emotions? Sir, how dare you?!
Lmao
Catharsis is a psychological concept that makes hydraulic metaphors for emotions. It does not seem that this model describes reality. Human emotions do not get contained, repressed or released in a way that conserves their overall volume or quality. They can be cooled down or fired up at will. We don't need catharsis.
Canadian here. Thank you and YES. This will be a big challenge. Its time to focus on the positive, build something new and let go the impulse to retribution. My focus is to build tech enabled tools to bring people together in-real-life agian, to help provide an alternative to social media and apps particularly for singles. I will focus on this and try to ignore the long list of those I have utter and complete contempt for. I believe we can push for change without letting our hatreds block our ability to think.
So you're making a dating app to fight back against the information oppression we've been dealing with for years? We're saved!
@@socklips7655 No, but thanks for the negativity. I guess you just need to hate on people... so your problem, not mine.
This is not about retribution from an emotional place. This is about restoring the law and common sense in society. For that, and for real healing, there must be accountability.
I appreciate you trying to create something new and good. But we're not going to pretend that we didn't just get punched in the face. Which some women literally did.
Best said. Now, down and majority of people believe it? Which majority? And what can we ACTUALLY even still effect with the legal system corrupt, the regime at all levels corrupt. But, very well stated. It is at yhis point in humanity which we find ourselves with a crucial choice.
@6:30 you are talking about the tripartite soul & the tarot chariot arcana jimmy
Catharsis, accountability, revenge... call it whatever. There's a reason blood feuds exist
Emotion wants what it wants now. Reason looks towards tomorrow.
Do you want to win the day, or do you want to win the century?
thank you for putting these videos together, they make a lot of sense.
best regards from Melbourne Australia.
while we can have a "we told you so" moment we cant turn it into violence.
Justice sometimes takes the form of a violent act.
Let the cycle repeat then.
Things can only be pushed so far, before ..
Oh look, an affordance trap
Revenge breeds totalitarianism.
I know you mean well but you mean the choice between catharsis or CULTURE. Civilization is the noose.
3:03 👍 yep .. typical socialism
Perfect!!!!
There must be accountability or the next time the people who did all the things you discussed are back in power, they will repeat all the crimes of their predecessors, but twice as hard because they now *know* that they will experience no consequences for doing so.
There needs to be some undoing. Some of that might not be accomplished civilly 😊
Exactly this, 1000%. Some of the lessons that need taught, need never be forgotten. Thats not always done with a smile and a handshake.
You sound like a critical theorist
@electricelephant7471 you mean woke rightist
I agree in not going to the extreme. We need to keep in mind those caught between the two and to not let them be swayed by the leftist instigator's cries of victmhood.
In times of anger, the wrathful words of the Old Testament
Jehova has more appeal.
Brian Baker spent six years in prison on a false grape charge.
When he proved himself innocent, his accuser was told she was a very naughty girl.
It's so nice to do that on a national scale.
But... what if you're a Cimmerian?
People want culture and willingly take part and will but FIRST THINGS FIRST; they have to take the screws off the noose of humanity.
"Patience my Dear! Learn to conquer your Appetites and Passions! Know thyself, came down from Heaven, and the Government of ones own soul requires greater Parts and Virtues than the Management of Kingdoms, and the Conquest of the disorderly rebellious Principles in our Nature, is more glorious than the acquisition of Universal Dominion. Did you ever read Epictetus? He was a sensible Man. I advise you to read him: and indeed I should have given this advice, before you undertook to read this." -John Adams to his wife, April 20th. 1763
tl;dr James says there shouldn't be any truth and reconciliation though the most mealy-mouthed way possible. He just wants you to take his word in this.
The only issue is that according to Christianity (and evidenced by history), man is simply *incapable* of restraining the passions without God.
This is what I’ve been saying for a while, James read my mind. I’ll sue
⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️
Ok James, we get it, you dont want to be purged in the Far Right Future you are so afraid of being helping define right now, and you dont want to be seen as a gatekeeper progressive that still defends liberalism...
"ok guys, guys, hold down your Ak47, nobody purges James he is an ally of the Trump Regime, remember he helped us define this movement so we dont destroy ourselfs " XD
tl;dr
"The most important thing is to not harness this momentum to enact any change that would make us something other than 1990's liberal democrats."
"Also all the people who did all those evil things and still want to do all those evil things should retain their wealth, influence and positions of power."
I suspect that a large number of Woke activists will regret the damage they've done to themselves in the name of a revolution that cannot succeed. I'm thinking of everything from transitioning and self-sterilization to loss of reputation and loss of financial stability. I see these people as the disposable vanguard of Woke activism. They will need compassion. To my thinking, if we focus on preserving civilization we allow for compassion.
What happens if they refuse compassion? It’s a pertinent possibility given that they have wrapped up their identities with contempt for Western Civ and its proponents.
Compassion requires humility from the recipient. If the wokel is too proud to accept your sympathy (and they are not when they think they are winning) then there is nothing to be resolved with compassion. Sometimes cancer needs to be cut or the host dies. Note that almost all woke people put children second after themselves. Pro choice, trans, etc. none of these things actually produce a child who capable of getting a job and having grandchildren. Woke is trash that will take itself out in a generation or so.
@@leonardticsay8046 They're going to need help, and it's in their thinking that "somebody else" owes them. A large number of the most active Woke activists are going to need medical help and financial help as time goes on. We should all be ready a healthcare epidemic in the making.
Excuse me but they're still calling for the same nonsense, still blocking moving forward. Compassion? We aren't there yet. Nothing's been won yet.
Compassion? 😂😂😂
Thank you for this video. Usually the term “important conversations” is coded language for woke garbage but this is an ACTUAL important conversation
This is so important, too bad Twitter will turn this debate to nonsense.
Not one tangible example in this whole video to elucidate the difference between justice and catharsis? Get back to the ideas and theory and stop this moralizing and scolding nonsense. You do know who you are starting to sound like?
Hey, any christians listening? I keep thinking "the Bible says the Gospel is foolish to wise ppl, requires the faith of a child, and not sight" and ppl tell me to approach my faith through practices, experiences, and emotions more than logic. Are there any Christian scholars that do an honest attempt at understanding Christianity in a more enlightenment rational + empirical reasonable way? I feel even Christian academics i meet are oddly concerned with woke ethics and sentimentality instead of cold logical truth. Is Christianity fundamentally at odds with the Enlightenment like I've been told time and again? I do like arguments for theism and I'd bet on the Bible over other major religious texts, but I'm honestly concerned to allow myself to just get swept up in this "Christianity is MY truth, man!" postmodern muck.
Look up Michael Heiser.
Sure, follow the law, but the law must be enforced. I used to be on the Left and can assure you accountability and responsibility are their kryptonite.
10:42 very cool 🆒😎
4:20 👍 yep. Hate building
We need to think civilization❤❤❤
With people that want you lined up against a wall, then buried in a ditch. Good luck with your "civilization"
14:04 thats it. That was quick
I will stay in the Logos of the Lord! God help me from acting out.
Polybius seems to be mostly correct. We are doomed to an endless cycle. Anarahcy to monarchy to tryanny to aristocracy to oligarchy to democracy to domagogy back to anarchy. Sometimes a step is skipped but it seems to be a cycle most cultures around the world go/have gone through. Humans are fallible and too emotional. Democracy is doomed to fail because the idea of democracy is predicated on a fully informed and rational public. We simply do not have that, nor will we ever.
My solution? A triad of benevolent, transcendent AI. Get to work programmers.
We just need to pass laws that will stop them from doing what they did in the first place.
No, we had laws and people didn't follow them, and there were no consequences. We need accountability so people will follow the law in the future.
James, I really appreciate the work you did digging into the roots of wokeness, but you've really lost the plot with Trump. Sure, he's anti-woke. He's also anti-democracy, anti-rule of law, anti-peaceful international cooperation, and anti-honesty and integrity. Yes, the next years will be crucial for thr fate of America and the world, but not in the way you imagine.
Nonsense. This isn't about Trump either. It's about accountability, which some people just never understand.
>metzler
@@theconceptofbassYou actually expect me to waste my time listing all of that here for the next hour?
clown