After watching multiple different Deadlock streams on sites like Kick, Twitch, UA-cam etc. Its safe to assume that deadlock is becoming Valves new baby 🙂 CS2 will probably follow the same path as TF2 and slowly but surely start to fade out into oblivion 🤔
@@ILikeTuwtles lol that's not the flex you think it is, TF2 is from 2007, Suffered a bot crisis for like 5-6 years (recently fixed, thank god). TF2 got a ton of support over the course of it's life. CS2 hasn't gotten no where near the content updates in comparison to what TF2 got YTD. The way CS2 is being handled is way worse, if CS2 was 8+ years I would understand completely. now L4D2? *inserts joker laugh* that shit needs a port just like TF2. Valves a billion dollar company or some shit, only has a staff of 300 (TF2 is worked on a by a third party contractor, not even the employees of it). They can easily staff a team for each title to ensure each title gets equal proper support. There structure makes them both great and bad.
The fact is that the CS is managed by an extremely small team compared with how much the game makes it is not like they do not have enough money they just do not give a shiii
Its actually just Valves inner workings that often cause these problems. If I remember correctly then all of their developers can choose at anytime what project they work on. So what happens is you get bored of CS2 for example and move to something else and later come back etc. Not to mention they have a incredible low employee count to begin with and as more projects need to be managed less people are available.
Because they are already making bank they just made cs2 because they were kinda threaten by valorant so they needed to show an updated version of CS:GO
Nothing happened to TF2. its just 20 year old game. CS2 is less than 1 year old. How its comparable? CS2 Also removed 70% of the contents from CSGO. TF2 is still fully intact CS2 situation is much much worse. Specially since CSGO is removed
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident wdym cs2's situation is much worse than tf2? have you ever been a part of the tf2 community? doesnt seem like it. cs2 ist out for a year now and has only got some semi big updates, though its franchise is even older than tf2's and tf2 didnt get a source2 port. tf2 is infact waiting for years (and I mean YEARS, probably 7 oder 8) for anything new and refreshing
@@vin3511 Tf2 doesn't need a source 2 port. Learn something from CSGO maybe ? What it would be feel like if valve removes 80% from TF2 and then port a portion of it in Source 2 which feels mechanically inferior+ poor fps and then forgot about it ? This is exactly what is CS2 is now
@@ILikeTuwtles you literally do not need 300 fps. fps higher than your refresh rate can actually increase latency depending on the exact frame rate. i remember when i was a fortnite player people in the pro scene would cap their frame rate just above their refresh rate because there was an equation for the ideal frame rate that would actually lower latency.
@@spaceghostmiid It's not about needing. it's about deserving. If you have a good rig, then your games should deliver on that front and give you the appropriate feedback. That means high fps. Bad optimazation shouldn't be excused.
I just don’t understand the resentment that Valve are making a game. Do you expect studios to just put out 10/10 titles every time? The fact that it’s a hero shooter moba is already extremely experimental, it’s more a flex that theyare jumping into this territory with so much progress on every update. I can understand CS and TF players frustrations but at the same time Valve are under no obligation to give you content for your game. If you spent $1000 and you feel like it wasn’t worth it, that’s your fault. Companies aren’t your friends.
games dying is a good thing. play other games. give other developers a chance. people say older games had more soul. why not give some of them a try? you guys claim you dont like the way CS2 feels and yet you cry the moment you have an excuse to stop playing it.
@@SMASH5X Then Valve definitely needs to come out with an update sometime soon. An operation would be nice. But I bet they wait until Christmas at this point.
nope it's a substitution for gambling, CS is partially gambling game at this point, which is also a good investment for money since it's a simple game with simple concept that will not die for hundred of years now. Even if the future are playing it on AR
1. Shooting feels better than ever 2. I haven’t played against a blatant cheater in a month (150 games) 3. Literally never happened to me (internet diff) 4. True but stats don’t portray performance 5. PC diff -25k elo faceit lvl 10 w 8k hours. Play the game, understand how shooting works in the game, and stop complaining about things out of valves control. Blame them for lack of content, not things that literally haven’t existed for months
@@lilolivert7592how much then nghas paying u cuz shooting does not feel good and ur ass better be the luckiest don to play 150 games and not get a cheater 💀
@@Wyn3e idk if you played go but the mechanics were worse than any other game. I had 7k hours and was faceit lvl 10 for like 5 years at that point and shots still felt random. At least now when I click on someone’s head they die 100% of the time. Spraying does feel worse, I’ll give you that but the issues people talk about are not 10% as big of a deal as people make it seem. There were so many more cheaters in go, even on faceit, and unless I’m wrong, I’m pretty sure I’ve played more than you. Crazy to act like the only reasonable cs player is getting paid for having an opinion
@@lilolivert7592 I have slightly less than ur hours but in faceIt level 10 in GO but honestly I’m being deadass there is way more cheaters in CS2 in standard ranked in GO I can get GE (not hard at all I know) but I can’t even get close properly to get past gold without someone “legit cheating” or just getting rolled by me or my team while they are “legit cheating” to just go full blatant cuz apparently my random team is decent in comparison hurts their ego that they are mid at the game and don’t get me started on prem above like 18k ish elo in FaceIt sometime rarely but sometime it feels like some people should be in FPL-C with their skill level I will admit sometimes it’s a skill issue in my half but other times just feels a bit odd ygm I will say I was a bit rude on my OG reply so I’m sorry about that genuinely but I also will say I don’t play the game much anymore cuz CS2 feels off not inherently bad bad like launch GO but just slightly mid enough to be non enjoyable at times
Wrong. Just stop playing the game like I did. Until it's not finished, I'm not coming back to it. They will eventually work on it when they will see that the cow is running out of milk.
This is what happen when people glorifying Valve for very long years and act blind to the facts that Valve never cared about their games, CSGO was full of cheaters and bots, TF2 is full of bots and has 0 support. Valve cares about one thing, Gambling with loot boxes, they made billions out of gambling every year. We have to be fair and trash them like we do with EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard etc.
I can't put them on the same level as EA and Ubisoft tho. Yes they are still hungry for money and i dislike the gambling to a fact, but i can't ignore that they develop a phenomenal gaming distribution service with Steam. No other publisher comes even close in feature-richness (community, workshop, discussion, market, trading cards,...) , customization (profile, library) and policies (refund). Yes it has its issues, but Valve is not on the same level as those pure evil companies.
Fair point, there's posts much more recent saying the same thing. But this is kinda lazy from the journalists imo. Cs2 still feels like beta and lots of us agree, so it's weird they had to pull a Reddit post from a year ago (the game hasn't even been out for a year). The point still stands tho, this game is so so so bad compared to csgo
Yes, we need it back. Cs2 can exists with GO both, then no one can have a complain about it. Will it split the player base? No, its not. How to solve skin and other problems? Make them be shared in both game. (Personally i don't care about skins). Why players wants back CSGO? Because its a Memory, not just a game. Cs2 is same as CSGO? No its not.
@@monetalimonolistothlaszlo8996 player base WILL be split. We have seen it with CS1.6 And source. Most people would end up playing GO and abandon CS2. They can't go back and bring CSGO back.
@@kakorotskywalker Who cares about that? Its completely should be the players choice. Also, it will not split, did you know the reason? Seems like not. So, i going to tell you. If, you want to play CS2, you can, if you want to play CSGO you can. There are a lot of people who likes CS2 and a lot of people who likes CSGO. So, if you worry about that you will be not able to do a battle in CS2, don't worry about that. Valve messed up, they really messed up everything. Their anticheat is not enought, it doesn't matter if its AI or not, it can't stop Wallhackers. They messed up since they allowed Linux, they don't even have a chance to make a second layer of protection, that will be a bit more able to stop Wallhackers than the user mode stuff. I telling you, Vac is nothing else, just a blind weakness, this is the REALITY. Valve can compensate by getting CSGO back, then players can play their old game, their old memories. Its doesn't matter if CSGO is old, or CSGO is something else, its not up to one or thousand player to choose, they are not permitted to do this, if they choose they simply, don't care about the 10%, about the 20%, or, about the 5%, or, about the 1 people who wants play CSGO and not CS2. Of course its impossible to care about everyone, but it still doesn't matter. Reviving CSGO resulting in the players will be happy, and saying Thanks to Valve, then Valve, going to increase its reputation, their next Half life game will be more and more purchased than ever, since they care about the Memories of the players. It doesn't matter if its even god, or something else, EVEN GOD not permitted to make bad Choices! Or to Choose in the place of someone else.
@@monetalimonolistothlaszlo8996 Buddy you're completely wrong. Just look at CS 1.6 and CS Source. Community got split. I wasn't in the community back then but ask anyone who was active in the commmunity at that time and they will tell you how split it was. Even the esports scene was like that with most people playing 1.6 instead of the newer game. If they release CSGO back now, there will instantly be a huge switch back to CSGO. People can't play two games at the same time. Sure they can play CS2 as well but, most people wouldn't after being satisfied by playing CSGO. Valve also had to eventually release CS2 because without releasing a game completely, they couldn't get enough sample data. I still think they should've worked a year or two more but eventually, they had to release it. Deleting CSGO was the right choice but just not at the right time.
Valve are not the good guys. They're a massively wealthy company whose main priority is not customer satisfaction but earnings. Now the skin economy only requires CS to exist in some form (regardless of its quality) they can rake in vast revenues without particularly needing to give a shit about the actual game
This is also a good way of explaining TF2's situation. TF2 notoriously has spaghetti code any true TF2 fan will know that. As a result any time they do big updates it just breaks more of the game. I also bet most of the dev team has moved on. The game although amazing one of the best hero/class shooters ever requires a full recode to be good again. I feel it is valves responsibility to do this and maybe they will one day but it wont be till CS2 is in a great state and Deadlock is fully released and balanced well. I would love a TF3 or just a source 2 version of TF3. I also want to add Valve is working on a new VAC and my guess is it will be good but they are only using it in "Select Matches" which could mean whatever and my guess is valve is being pretty closed up about that since they dont want anything leaking about VAC with how bad cheating already is.
in comparison to other flop releases over the last 2 years it kind blows me away that CS2 has as many players as it does. We have seen other games with much less developer experiance, lower budget create something new(and not just a port to a new game engine) get absolutely abandoned due to lower player counts for the same reasons players are complaining about in CS2. Kinda embarrassing that this franchise has more than 20 years worth of games and dedicated player base yet they release this giga flop.
When will valve customers realize Valve NEVER changed a game if it’s succeeding. Valve knows there is virtually no point following when communities complain. They make millions either way and their bottom like is almost never effected. Eve with the tf2 boys their money train was barely a target until the third time which it was barely a dip. Target their money, valve listens no problem.
@@pepsusser Right but if you've been reading what the community says for a while, and even in this video's comments, you've probably noticed that quite a few people genuinely believe that most CS2 devs quit and moved to Deadlock when the playtest was released, as if Deadlock hadn't been under development for years at the same time as CS2. People don't even listen to what's said in the video, so I know it's a very low bar for considering someone intelligent but still too high for the average CS fan.
im dissappinted in valve. i waited an entire year for tdm, cache, cobblestone, train and lake. or the amount of money they make you would think we would have gotten more
"all we can do is give our feedback and play the game" huh? The whole point of your conclusion was that, the team working on CS2 don't feel it necessary to keep an open line of communication, where can you voice feedback where it will actually be heard? Imagine Seige players being told "no new ops, no reworks, no battlepasses for a year" and them responding with "just play the game and maybe yell at the R6 account on Twitter". They aren't going to accept "the reality of the situation" they're just gonna turn off the game. I don't know why CS players continue to vouch for the company that forcefully took away their game, replaced it with a beta version and has for the better part of a year dissappeared into the ether. If the dev team is working night and day on this game then I genuinely feel for them. That just means Valve isn't employing enough people on this project if this is the level of output that team creates.
I sold my 1.5k inventory in CS2,I held it for too long believing a BIG update would get the game back to where it belongs but it's just not coming. Cheating is probably an unsolvable issue, among with other performance bugs. Add the release of Deadlock and how well its being recieved by the community it led me to completely remove my whole investment. I believe CS2 is not going to die but it ll stay in the state it is right now for years. It's basically a big failure
Good on you bro! Don't know what valve will do with the DMA cheats going around and AI hacks. Only thing is to go to a non byoc lan!! Thank god launders is having a 25k non byoc lan here in toronto!
it will never be 100% solvable but it can get 99% solvable if they'd actually care. I don't think you need more than 1 billion to hire 100 people to ban live 24h (since their anti-cheats sucks ass, just buy vanguard)
Same, cashed out my 3k inventory about 6 weeks ago. I loved playing and trading and opening cases now and then for over a decade, but I will not be playing or putting money into a game that's not being taken care of. More players need to do this until we get substantial fixes and content updates. It saddens me to see the state that the games in right now.
@@Kratos_TM just now got into a game that we won first 3 rounds and enemy can't take that we are better and 3 of 5 start rage wall hacking and bhoping like there is no vac system, total unhinged
Exactly. I remember when it was go me and my friends was going comp for that rank when my pc was trash and playing wit 50fps at most i loved the game ( mostly bcs of gamble ofc and skins ) but i played it and there was operations. And now.. no one plays anymore everyone went to do something more productive and figure it out that rank dont mean shit and i dont care bout it. Even for half a year cs rank system was ass bcs everyone was silver haha soo bad game i came only once a month to get that case even thought now cs works better
give it a few years, Riot will take deadlock players and deadlock will be filled with cheaters and barely any updates. If they release an Arcane/League shooter/moba, or something like overwatch, its over for deadlock
if you're talking about VCT, IBP is only sponsoring VCT Americas, which I don't think pros has complained about. It's the international lan (master/champion) PCs that's getting replaced.
One whole year and all we got was Arms Race and a case lmao. I remember how people were cheering Valve for how many updates CS2 for the first couple of months, now we get one line of patchnote a month at best.
Short answer : Yes. We know Valve abandon us the moment they announce new IP. Solution? Don't play the game, stop buying/opening case. Hurt their wallet the most.
Yesterday I launched CS, got into premier and to my disdain, I found out my FPS dropped from 160-190 to just 30-40 whenever an enemy character swings on my POV or I peek them. It was miserable.
"You might not agree with/like their methods, but you have to trust that they're doing what's best for the game." The HELL WE DO. "I'm sure by now they know exactly what they need to do to make the game the best it can be." Well they're NOT DOING IT. I understand and appreciate your ability to take a step back and recognize that we're a demanding community and that the CS devs are fallible, and they don't have infinite resources or time. But nothing is getting better. They need to pick some stuff to focus on fixing and DO IT. Movement, optimization, anticheat, networking issues, whatever. Take your pick. But fix something, because I think I can speak for the whole community when I say we've just about given up. I don't have another game to go play that I enjoy the way I enjoy CS, but I've given up on caring about anything within the game, and I know a lot of people who have quit playing entirely. It's not fun anymore. Everything about the game feels horrible. I don't crave the game the way I used to. I just want things to feel like they did in GO. I know, I know...there were problems in GO as well. But there are bigger, and more problems in 2. If you argue that point, I'm sorry, but you're in denial. PLEASE, CS2 devs, please for the love of all things good, do SOMETHING that has meaning in terms of improving the game you forced down our throats.
@@fisty4665 I already mourned GO, I know it's gone. I also know Valve doesn't care what we think or say. But I won't sit here and listen to someone tell me to have faith and trust the process and just smile and nod. I won't validate their stupidity and laziness.
3:29 "As someone who can't run the game well enough to enjoy it" You are saying, as a gaming journalist, that you don't have good enough specs to run CS2 of all things? Interesting.
I can not blame the lack of communication on anything other than the CS community. The few times the CS team has spoken directly to the community and given factual information the community harassed them about it, it's really damned if you do and damned if you don't with the CS community. Remember when ValveRyan posted correct information and had their comment turned into a copypasta for doing so? If people really have a huge issue with the state of the game as it stands, the solution is simple, play something else, when CS2 is constantly top of the steamcharts it certainly doesn't send the message the community keeps wanting to send. I honestly have no big issues with the current state of the game, other than vertigo being in the map pool, but I also don't play the game to the point of 20+ week xp streaks like I have seen some players in game have. I put myself in the shoes of these devs, if you give the community the thing they have been begging for for years and then they turn around and say "no we don't want this, go back to source 1." I can't imagine the devs having anything but apathy for the community anymore, this isn't me saying simp for valve, because you shouldn't, blind company loyalty is stupid, but I do think the community forgets that valve at its core is a business where the devs work on what they are passionate about, it honestly sounds like a developer's dream job, so why work on a game where the community makes you feel like you're working for EA?
@@TheTruCloud Tbh the game isn't bad if you aren't playing on a potato which most of the players are I have played 700 hours on new CS2 and while the feel is different I already fully adapted to it to the point people are screaming I am cheating even tho I am not 😂 I really miss retakes game mode as it was a quick way to play in a controlled manner - casual with 10 players is often such a shit show as maps were never designed for so much util I don't like the way they are treating CS but I don't miss much from the GO version
@@hotpot328 I mean that part we can only really speculate about, for sure though even in NA where we have less total playerbase than EU the queue times are still very fast during early morning hours, I can't really say the same for some other competitive games on the market. There were large amounts of bot farmers in CSGO as well especially during the "Earn your prime status" era.
4:03 Yea just like in CS Go it has 10 developers working on it regularly. The game is on life support at this point, they cannot pump out more content.
The thinking of the community is wrong. As a developer I can say that a new project is easier to implement new shiny update at a faster rate then a "older" project. Why? Because 1. Bigger code base 2. Already working code that we don't want to break 3. Cs2 is a competitive game if they bring update at a fast rate there can be unexpected bugs. 4. They are probably on the anti cheat. i assume that is the highest priority right now. Probably even other factors but I'm not a valve dev🤷
People have already complained about cheating in CS:GO for years. In fact, CS2 promised a better anticheat. Saying anticheat is high priority is (at this point) speculation at best and cope at worst. Plus for all it's flaws at least the base gameplay of CS:GO felt good. People have been saying that CS2 feels worse throughout it's entire existance. There isn't really any valid excuse for ending up worse than if you did nothing instead
Good insights. But the fact that the Anticheat is still such a big issue after one year and they are making so little obvious progress makes me mad! It always takes Valve AGES to implement changes and improvements to certain things. Goodness, for how long did we need to wait until the SG553 was finally nerfed? And all it took was change the fire rate! This is just the Valve slails pace development tempo!
Its not abandoned. Theyre working hard making it as different from csgo as possible. The devs have been instructed to suck the soul of counter strike out of cs2 and so far theyve done so brilliantly.
All they had to do is soul transfer from csgo to cs2.... with same gameplay and updated graphics thats it!!! But nooo they had to make cs2 shittier for us so that deadlock shines. Why you think they dropped to 64 subtic? So they save that $$$ for deadlock!!
@@Brimaudi1337 i’d rather play the game with slightly inaccurate 128 tick with a godlike feeling and mechanics of the game instead of alleged “accurate” cucktick wherein bullets dont go where you aim, spray goes haywire and movement makes you sick and clunky.
Nice Wicca Phase Springs Eternal shirt! Valve has a homogenous organization. People choose which projects to work on by will after being hired. This is clearly stated in the employee handbook offered for free on their website or a google search, which shows the workflow and how priority is obtained for employees. If one side has more workers or excitement going on, it incentivises to go work on the project with more energy being put into the games or hardware.
cs2 and valorant are pretty much the last fps titles that exist. apex and cod and battlefield are clown fiestas with aim assist, overwatch 2 is going back to 6v6 with most likely 2/2/2 being brought back to prevent goats comps, and r6 is hopeless. most game companies pretty much do not give a shit about trying to displace cs2 as the premier fps, and are just trying to find the infinite money glitch. they even on purpose release games with hilariously overpowered shit on purpose to raise the blood pressure of gamers because they know anger sells skins, then they hire reddit bots to tell people they're bad and if they were good, they would have avoided the character's giant fireball aoe ultimate that does 300 damage, and can be detonated on the ground if the direct hit misses, and has fire tick damage for 15 seconds, and can't be cleansed, but it's okay because our internal data shows that it's balanced until 2 months later when we agree it wasn't balanced all along. most people from cs can't handle that, so cs2 is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Bro the R8 skins are still not fixed. And I've been writing emails to CS2 team, since October last year. Most of the R8 skins don't have their bullets in them, you reload air. And put air into the chamber. Check it! Compare to the default skin.
to be fair, the game has just released, it's logical they would need to focus on the game in its early stages. Counter Strike has been out for 12 years, they are still actively updating the game. Maybe once Deadlock has gotten out of that early stage development, we will see bigger stuff in CS2
Valve has said themselves that theyre polishing the game and making sure it works well before adding new content, and that they have stuff planned, including new weapons, and that it wont happen until the game officially hits one year old. CS2 will officially be one year old on September 27th, which at the time of writing this, will be 4 days from now. I actually think they skipped celebrating the 25th Anniversary of CS for this 1 year mark. I think they are waiting for expectations to die down so that a reveal will be hype. I mean, imagine all of this high hopes and expectations, and then they release something and it doesn't satisfy a lot of the playerbase, it would be very underwhelming. So its my belief that they are cooking up something good. Valve isnt stupid, they know what theyre doing. It doesnt make sense to remake the game on a new engine to make changes to the game easier and better updates just to never do any of that. Like why revamp a bunch of stuff like the loadout system if theyre never going to do anything with it? They know CS is their bread and butter, why waste a bunch of time and money remaking it in source 2 if they never planned on making the game better from CSGO? It just doesnt make any sense. Something is coming. It may not be exactly on the 27th of September, but it will be sometime after that. I do expect atleast a happy birthday, maybe a behind the scenes of CS2 for the 27th. Maybe even a new case thats sort of like a birthday present. I'm not sure. But if they dont even write anything about it on the 27th, then I think it would be a little worrying. There has to be a reason they skipped out on the 25th Anniversary. There has to be a reason why they stopped pushing monthly updates for a couple months. Even with TF2 they atleast get a big summer update about every year. Valve isnt stupid. Something IS coming.
They abandoned it when it released how are people only just noticing this now. We're over a year into what was supposed to be a graphical update to CSGO and we have: - Performance issues. - Worse movement. - Worse shooting. - Less gamemodes. - Less maps. - More bugs. - More cheaters. CS2 is a colossal failure of a game and it is honestly insulting. This franchise has been around for a very long time but I'm almost certain we're seeing the sad end of it with this horseshit replacement. Why the fuck can't we just play Global Offensive like we all want to?
I don't even understand how people are accepting 64 tick with or without subtick while 144Hz displays are now considered entry level. Technically 64 tick at this time and age is literally a crime.
To be fair Deadlock is amazing and I believe that one day it will become Genre defining, but thats going to take years at this point considering its only in PRE-ALPHA. There needs to be a better balance between CS updates and Deadlock updates imo. We are over a year into CS2 now with terrible sub tick, one of the most stagnant map pools in the last 5 years, and no operation. Like why even release CS2 if you're not going to do anything with it for a year, whats the point?
from what i see, that the deadlock devs are similiar to dota 2 devs by the mechanics, items, even the hero ability. so in my theory that cs2 and deadlock are 2 different devs, where is cs2 doesn't care about the game meanwhile deadlock/dota 2 devs do care about their game+anticheat edit : seems my english still bad lol
Honestly, I think valve is surfing the player wave right now, trying their best to keep them. Unfortunate side-effect of this is leaving out their games such as Left 4 Dead, TF2 and CS2. I would put DOD into that list but they are a lost cause.
I am not sure what you meant with "genre Valve hasn't tackled yet"? Nobody tackled a shooter moba yet. Or is it that it's a third person shooter that they hadn't tackled? Because hero shooters they did with TF2, while dated, it was still the biggest thing in the genre at the time and could be considered genre defining. The other side of being a MOBA you get only the biggest e sports tournament game in the history of games with Dota2. So either you meant "3rd person shooter" or you forgot that Dota2 is a Valve game.
I used to be a diehard CS fan. Started playing since 1.6, then played 10 years of CSGO. Never have I felt more betrayed by Valve when they released CS2. The amount of problems that it came with especially the number of cheaters in 20k+ elo. Hate to say this but Valorant is taking a massive shit on CS, and this is coming from a long term CS player. The ones in denial are delusional and need to wake up. P.S. I’ve also tried FACEIT and reached Level 10. I stopped because I don’t want to “seriously” try in a game. I just want to play it.
They need to hire more people. its known that valve employs so few developers that their gross income per employee is so exceedingly high that they near the top of the board GLOBALLY. That's including every major buisness. Valve makes an estimated $19 million per employee. For comparison, Riot Games employs 2,500 people with the previous years annual revenue of of around $1.5 billion. That's $600,000 per employee. Valve made $13 billion in 2022. (I couldnt find any good source for 2023) Its absurd they don't hire more help. There are absolute greedy rats in charge there. Edit: a new article I found stated that valve employed around roughly 360 employees sourced from valve itself back in 2016. AND that even back then they were making $15 million per employee. The number of employees is still around that range even in 2021 according to leaked data. Its a great read. "Here’s how much Valve pays its staff - and how few people it employs" By Jay Peters
I mean they more or less also stated that they are working on vac for cs2. Haven's seen anything about that though. The last operation ended 936 days ago. They didn't do anything big for the 25 years anniversary of cs. Cs2 is out for almost a year and we are still missing a ton of content. Maps, game modes, default agents,... I think if they are not doing anything for the 1 year release anniversary of cs2 i'm gonna sell my skins and call it a day. 😐
Its weird to assume just because an update hasn't been deployed = the dev simply does not care. Maybe there are a ton of other reasons but saying they don't care is the easiest way to conclude something you have no information on. Even if money is a factor every single valve employee could make more money just working for server companies. Pretending you can mind read emotion and motivation of developers you have never talked to is braindead
After watching multiple different Deadlock streams on sites like Kick, Twitch, UA-cam etc. Its safe to assume that deadlock is becoming Valves new baby 🙂 CS2 will probably follow the same path as TF2 and slowly but surely start to fade out into oblivion 🤔
Cs wont die, you are all casuals LMAO
Hope this dosnt happen. CS is one of the greatest esports of all time, but yeah i could see it happend :(
They will probably keep the item market alive just to make money.... But yeah, other than that i think Deadlock will become the next HYPE
Nah, there is one game which doesn't die. That's CS.
You want Valve to care? stop opening cases
True. But it will legit never happen.
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We're cooked
They have steam. They make games for the fun of it at this point.
team fortress 2: first time?
CS2 has 10x (or more) TF2 average players at any given time.
@@ILikeTuwtles TF2 still have it worse
@@ILikeTuwtles lol that's not the flex you think it is, TF2 is from 2007, Suffered a bot crisis for like 5-6 years (recently fixed, thank god). TF2 got a ton of support over the course of it's life. CS2 hasn't gotten no where near the content updates in comparison to what TF2 got YTD.
The way CS2 is being handled is way worse, if CS2 was 8+ years I would understand completely.
now L4D2? *inserts joker laugh* that shit needs a port just like TF2.
Valves a billion dollar company or some shit, only has a staff of 300 (TF2 is worked on a by a third party contractor, not even the employees of it). They can easily staff a team for each title to ensure each title gets equal proper support. There structure makes them both great and bad.
@@ExecutionStyleInc its not fixed lol i guarantee the bots will come back in the span of a month its why i quit
@@ILikeTuwtles Counter strike was always bigger than team fortress
The fact is that the CS is managed by an extremely small team compared with how much the game makes it is not like they do not have enough money they just do not give a shiii
Its actually just Valves inner workings that often cause these problems. If I remember correctly then all of their developers can choose at anytime what project they work on. So what happens is you get bored of CS2 for example and move to something else and later come back etc. Not to mention they have a incredible low employee count to begin with and as more projects need to be managed less people are available.
@@jingsterlingthat's kinda based "let the plebs screeching I decide which task I take out of backlog"
Because they are already making bank they just made cs2 because they were kinda threaten by valorant so they needed to show an updated version of CS:GO
I think one of the issues is that CS2 fans are fully aware of what happened to TF2.
yeah and they do not care. but they're loud as hell when it's happening to cs2 lol
Nothing happened to TF2. its just 20 year old game.
CS2 is less than 1 year old. How its comparable? CS2 Also removed 70% of the contents from CSGO. TF2 is still fully intact
CS2 situation is much much worse. Specially since CSGO is removed
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident them removing CS:GO is sacrilege
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident wdym cs2's situation is much worse than tf2? have you ever been a part of the tf2 community? doesnt seem like it. cs2 ist out for a year now and has only got some semi big updates, though its franchise is even older than tf2's and tf2 didnt get a source2 port. tf2 is infact waiting for years (and I mean YEARS, probably 7 oder 8) for anything new and refreshing
@@vin3511
Tf2 doesn't need a source 2 port. Learn something from CSGO maybe ? What it would be feel like if valve removes 80% from TF2 and then port a portion of it in Source 2 which feels mechanically inferior+ poor fps and then forgot about it ?
This is exactly what is CS2 is now
If the 1 year comes and goes without so much as a new map, let alone an operation the games cooked.
Bro I don't give a shit about an operation. I want my $2,700 PC to be able to break 300 fps.
@@ILikeTuwtlesif it makes you feel any better, my computer is like $5000+ still cant clear 280
@@ILikeTuwtles you literally do not need 300 fps. fps higher than your refresh rate can actually increase latency depending on the exact frame rate. i remember when i was a fortnite player people in the pro scene would cap their frame rate just above their refresh rate because there was an equation for the ideal frame rate that would actually lower latency.
@@spaceghostmiid It's not about needing. it's about deserving. If you have a good rig, then your games should deliver on that front and give you the appropriate feedback. That means high fps. Bad optimazation shouldn't be excused.
@@spaceghostmiid I have a 360hz monitor.
Don't worry CS2 players.
Deadlock will eventually be abandoned too for whatever new shiny toy Valve has then.
But that will take many years
@@hl4458 *laughs in Alien Swarm*
I just don’t understand the resentment that Valve are making a game. Do you expect studios to just put out 10/10 titles every time? The fact that it’s a hero shooter moba is already extremely experimental, it’s more a flex that theyare jumping into this territory with so much progress on every update.
I can understand CS and TF players frustrations but at the same time Valve are under no obligation to give you content for your game. If you spent $1000 and you feel like it wasn’t worth it, that’s your fault. Companies aren’t your friends.
games dying is a good thing. play other games. give other developers a chance. people say older games had more soul. why not give some of them a try? you guys claim you dont like the way CS2 feels and yet you cry the moment you have an excuse to stop playing it.
@@johnmarkson1990 This is just beyond comprehension
Where is Train and Cache? WTF is going on? 😢
Cache is made by a single guy, FMPONE, so it takes time for him to make it but he is making progress. He'll probably be done like next year
@@SMASH5X Then Valve definitely needs to come out with an update sometime soon. An operation would be nice. But I bet they wait until Christmas at this point.
@@SMASH5XValve should not have released CS2 then. This is pathetic.
Never coming back.
@@SMASH5XWhat about Vulcan?
I wish people stopped opening cases...
nope it's a substitution for gambling, CS is partially gambling game at this point, which is also a good investment for money since it's a simple game with simple concept that will not die for hundred of years now. Even if the future are playing it on AR
1. Shooting feels awful
2. Cheaters
3. Network issue, sudden disconnect from a match
4. Terrible rank system, favors win over performance
5. FPS drop
1. Shooting feels better than ever
2. I haven’t played against a blatant cheater in a month (150 games)
3. Literally never happened to me (internet diff)
4. True but stats don’t portray performance
5. PC diff
-25k elo faceit lvl 10 w 8k hours. Play the game, understand how shooting works in the game, and stop complaining about things out of valves control. Blame them for lack of content, not things that literally haven’t existed for months
@@lilolivert7592how much then nghas paying u cuz shooting does not feel good and ur ass better be the luckiest don to play 150 games and not get a cheater 💀
@@Wyn3e idk if you played go but the mechanics were worse than any other game. I had 7k hours and was faceit lvl 10 for like 5 years at that point and shots still felt random. At least now when I click on someone’s head they die 100% of the time. Spraying does feel worse, I’ll give you that but the issues people talk about are not 10% as big of a deal as people make it seem. There were so many more cheaters in go, even on faceit, and unless I’m wrong, I’m pretty sure I’ve played more than you. Crazy to act like the only reasonable cs player is getting paid for having an opinion
@@lilolivert7592 I have slightly less than ur hours but in faceIt level 10 in GO but honestly I’m being deadass there is way more cheaters in CS2 in standard ranked in GO I can get GE (not hard at all I know) but I can’t even get close properly to get past gold without someone “legit cheating” or just getting rolled by me or my team while they are “legit cheating” to just go full blatant cuz apparently my random team is decent in comparison hurts their ego that they are mid at the game and don’t get me started on prem above like 18k ish elo in FaceIt sometime rarely but sometime it feels like some people should be in FPL-C with their skill level I will admit sometimes it’s a skill issue in my half but other times just feels a bit odd ygm I will say I was a bit rude on my OG reply so I’m sorry about that genuinely but I also will say I don’t play the game much anymore cuz CS2 feels off not inherently bad bad like launch GO but just slightly mid enough to be non enjoyable at times
@@lilolivert7592 crazy glaze sesh going on here
Being a half-baked reskin, they should at least give us access to csgo mm with good anticheat while everything is ported over
Bro they couldn’t give a good anti cheat to csgo before what makes you think they could do it now
@@BlackDT it was much better in csgo compared to now 😂
@@rche4123 both were terrible
@@aimingisnice7732 yeah i mean i cant really argue
@@rche4123 cope
We're literally getting single-change patch notes in CS2 now. We don't even get release notes, we get a single release note
Wrong. Just stop playing the game like I did. Until it's not finished, I'm not coming back to it. They will eventually work on it when they will see that the cow is running out of milk.
What he said
Good idea, my cpu can't handle cs2 anyways 😂
That's like telling cod players to stop play cod. People have been saying that since Ghosts and yet here we are H2M and all.
I agree though and do the same.
@Bagginsess I haven't played COD since 'new' MW and uninstalled CS2 8 months ago. It is possible to just cut poor quality things out your life
This is what happen when people glorifying Valve for very long years and act blind to the facts that Valve never cared about their games, CSGO was full of cheaters and bots, TF2 is full of bots and has 0 support.
Valve cares about one thing, Gambling with loot boxes, they made billions out of gambling every year.
We have to be fair and trash them like we do with EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard etc.
I can't put them on the same level as EA and Ubisoft tho. Yes they are still hungry for money and i dislike the gambling to a fact, but i can't ignore that they develop a phenomenal gaming distribution service with Steam. No other publisher comes even close in feature-richness (community, workshop, discussion, market, trading cards,...) , customization (profile, library) and policies (refund). Yes it has its issues, but Valve is not on the same level as those pure evil companies.
didn’t they fix tf2 though
Valve is mostly good at maintaining their platform, steam. Not as a game publisher.
People are kinda biased when Valve is involved, gabe have a pass tô do any kinda of crap, and still get away with It.
@@kakorotskywalker *multiplayer game
Their singleplayer games are still consistently good.
If they don't give us a big update on the 27th of September (one year after public release) then the games dead.
27th is a Friday, they never drop big updates on Fridays, so it wont be the 27th
this age well
Came back to this vid just to feel something, as the first anniversary of CS2 just passed and we didn't even get a tweet.
1:47 you say people think game is still in beta but that reddit post is dated to 1 yr ago
Fair point, there's posts much more recent saying the same thing. But this is kinda lazy from the journalists imo. Cs2 still feels like beta and lots of us agree, so it's weird they had to pull a Reddit post from a year ago (the game hasn't even been out for a year). The point still stands tho, this game is so so so bad compared to csgo
@@jdyeetyaww yeah i mean everyone knows cs2 is shit but its hypocritical to use 1yr old posts
Deadlock is a certified IceFrog Classic and it's not even out yet
5:20 if they knew what the community wanted then we wouldnt be here in the first place
Between the cheaters and the lack of content, CS 2 sure does look like it's abandoned by Valve.
Just give us go back 😢
Sadly not possible anymore. They could've let us have it for a year or two more but now going back would mean chaos.
Yes, we need it back. Cs2 can exists with GO both, then no one can have a complain about it. Will it split the player base? No, its not. How to solve skin and other problems? Make them be shared in both game. (Personally i don't care about skins).
Why players wants back CSGO? Because its a Memory, not just a game. Cs2 is same as CSGO? No its not.
@@monetalimonolistothlaszlo8996 player base WILL be split. We have seen it with CS1.6 And source. Most people would end up playing GO and abandon CS2. They can't go back and bring CSGO back.
@@kakorotskywalker Who cares about that? Its completely should be the players choice.
Also, it will not split, did you know the reason? Seems like not. So, i going to tell you.
If, you want to play CS2, you can, if you want to play CSGO you can. There are a lot of people who likes CS2 and a lot of people who likes CSGO. So, if you worry about that you will be not able to do a battle in CS2, don't worry about that.
Valve messed up, they really messed up everything. Their anticheat is not enought, it doesn't matter if its AI or not, it can't stop Wallhackers. They messed up since they allowed Linux, they don't even have a chance to make a second layer of protection, that will be a bit more able to stop Wallhackers than the user mode stuff.
I telling you, Vac is nothing else, just a blind weakness, this is the REALITY.
Valve can compensate by getting CSGO back, then players can play their old game, their old memories. Its doesn't matter if CSGO is old, or CSGO is something else, its not up to one or thousand player to choose, they are not permitted to do this, if they choose they simply, don't care about the 10%, about the 20%, or, about the 5%, or, about the 1 people who wants play CSGO and not CS2.
Of course its impossible to care about everyone, but it still doesn't matter.
Reviving CSGO resulting in the players will be happy, and saying Thanks to Valve, then Valve, going to increase its reputation, their next Half life game will be more and more purchased than ever, since they care about the Memories of the players.
It doesn't matter if its even god, or something else, EVEN GOD not permitted to make bad Choices! Or to Choose in the place of someone else.
@@monetalimonolistothlaszlo8996 Buddy you're completely wrong. Just look at CS 1.6 and CS Source. Community got split. I wasn't in the community back then but ask anyone who was active in the commmunity at that time and they will tell you how split it was.
Even the esports scene was like that with most people playing 1.6 instead of the newer game. If they release CSGO back now, there will instantly be a huge switch back to CSGO. People can't play two games at the same time. Sure they can play CS2 as well but, most people wouldn't after being satisfied by playing CSGO. Valve also had to eventually release CS2 because without releasing a game completely, they couldn't get enough sample data. I still think they should've worked a year or two more but eventually, they had to release it. Deleting CSGO was the right choice but just not at the right time.
100k players get direct access to devs but cs with 1.3m people everyday playing doesnt get ANYTHING or even an operation
stop buying cases and stop playing the game, that is how you win them back, when the money stops rolling they start wondering why.
Valve are not the good guys. They're a massively wealthy company whose main priority is not customer satisfaction but earnings. Now the skin economy only requires CS to exist in some form (regardless of its quality) they can rake in vast revenues without particularly needing to give a shit about the actual game
This is so sad and I wish the community could come together to make a game thats better and take them out ;)
Gabens Yachts still ride the waves just the same without CS2, so why should he care?
TF2 got saved by people not using the community market and review bombing the game. CS community takes hints
And remember the War Thunder situation! This thing was a wild insurrection!
This is also a good way of explaining TF2's situation. TF2 notoriously has spaghetti code any true TF2 fan will know that. As a result any time they do big updates it just breaks more of the game. I also bet most of the dev team has moved on. The game although amazing one of the best hero/class shooters ever requires a full recode to be good again. I feel it is valves responsibility to do this and maybe they will one day but it wont be till CS2 is in a great state and Deadlock is fully released and balanced well. I would love a TF3 or just a source 2 version of TF3. I also want to add Valve is working on a new VAC and my guess is it will be good but they are only using it in "Select Matches" which could mean whatever and my guess is valve is being pretty closed up about that since they dont want anything leaking about VAC with how bad cheating already is.
based
Idk what youre talking about here. But big updates werent breaking tf2 from a literal standpoint. This is a silly thing to lie about
in comparison to other flop releases over the last 2 years it kind blows me away that CS2 has as many players as it does. We have seen other games with much less developer experiance, lower budget create something new(and not just a port to a new game engine) get absolutely abandoned due to lower player counts for the same reasons players are complaining about in CS2. Kinda embarrassing that this franchise has more than 20 years worth of games and dedicated player base yet they release this giga flop.
yeah, it helps the cs franchise is basically a masterpiece of FPS games
It's ironic that after 20 years of continuous development of the franchise, the Counter-Strike IP is in the worst place it has ever been.
Addiction. Same reason why WoW won't die.
you are exaggerating. I have been playing cs since 1.3 and i say its not that bad. not that they don't have a ton of work to do
@@sujimayneits not even close to the worst. Counter Strike franchise was completely dying between 2003-2012
When will valve customers realize Valve NEVER changed a game if it’s succeeding.
Valve knows there is virtually no point following when communities complain. They make millions either way and their bottom like is almost never effected. Eve with the tf2 boys their money train was barely a target until the third time which it was barely a dip.
Target their money, valve listens no problem.
Care to elaborate on that "Valve NEVER changed a game if it's succeeding"?
The bug tester u said had a line of communication with Valve is still Vac Banned after finding a bug
deadlock devs are not the same devs working on cs2. so the question if cs2 has been abandoned for deadlock is pointless.
One intelligent person, thank god!
@@JerryO1995 this was literally said in the video
@@pepsusser Right but if you've been reading what the community says for a while, and even in this video's comments, you've probably noticed that quite a few people genuinely believe that most CS2 devs quit and moved to Deadlock when the playtest was released, as if Deadlock hadn't been under development for years at the same time as CS2. People don't even listen to what's said in the video, so I know it's a very low bar for considering someone intelligent but still too high for the average CS fan.
@@pepsusseryeah but the title is so clickbaity, scummy and misleading. Obviously just made that title for clicks
How do u know the cs2 devs didnt work on Deadlock? Valves Policie is to just work on whatever you want so cs2 devs can work on deadlock if they want
im dissappinted in valve. i waited an entire year for tdm, cache, cobblestone, train and lake. or the amount of money they make you would think we would have gotten more
Cache isnt really valve fault tho, FMPone wanted to work on a diffrent map befor doing Cache and is currently working on Cache
"all we can do is give our feedback and play the game" huh? The whole point of your conclusion was that, the team working on CS2 don't feel it necessary to keep an open line of communication, where can you voice feedback where it will actually be heard? Imagine Seige players being told "no new ops, no reworks, no battlepasses for a year" and them responding with "just play the game and maybe yell at the R6 account on Twitter". They aren't going to accept "the reality of the situation" they're just gonna turn off the game. I don't know why CS players continue to vouch for the company that forcefully took away their game, replaced it with a beta version and has for the better part of a year dissappeared into the ether.
If the dev team is working night and day on this game then I genuinely feel for them. That just means Valve isn't employing enough people on this project if this is the level of output that team creates.
I sold my 1.5k inventory in CS2,I held it for too long believing a BIG update would get the game back to where it belongs but it's just not coming. Cheating is probably an unsolvable issue, among with other performance bugs. Add the release of Deadlock and how well its being recieved by the community it led me to completely remove my whole investment. I believe CS2 is not going to die but it ll stay in the state it is right now for years. It's basically a big failure
Honestly good for you man if the devs don't respect your time and money, then they don't deserve any of it.
Good on you bro! Don't know what valve will do with the DMA cheats going around and AI hacks. Only thing is to go to a non byoc lan!! Thank god launders is having a 25k non byoc lan here in toronto!
it will never be 100% solvable but it can get 99% solvable if they'd actually care. I don't think you need more than 1 billion to hire 100 people to ban live 24h (since their anti-cheats sucks ass, just buy vanguard)
Same, cashed out my 3k inventory about 6 weeks ago. I loved playing and trading and opening cases now and then for over a decade, but I will not be playing or putting money into a game that's not being taken care of. More players need to do this until we get substantial fixes and content updates. It saddens me to see the state that the games in right now.
It was well received? I played it one match and it was like LoL type of game but soo ass i didnt even bothored to play more
the thing i dont understand is how people complain about it and then hop on every single day lmao
"trust this people know what they'r doing" yeah we are on that step for 7 years
Bro the WICCA PHASE tee? The host of these episodes is my goat
if cs2 is the drowning neglected baby, tf2 is the skeleton at the bottom of the sea
3 games 3 hackers today, total random games, i was carried and i lost games by cheaters, dead game idc about rank any more just farm cases
I keep hearing about cheaters, but I've honestly only ever seen 1 in cs2 since it came out, an I just lucky or something?
@@Kratos_TM you hella lucky, all i hear is ban waves everywhere and on my games cheaters rage from round one
@@Kratos_TM just now got into a game that we won first 3 rounds and enemy can't take that we are better and 3 of 5 start rage wall hacking and bhoping like there is no vac system, total unhinged
@@AngelEstarossa premier? I'm only 8k in premier so that might be why, ive heard it gets worse the higher you get. I stick to comp
Exactly. I remember when it was go me and my friends was going comp for that rank when my pc was trash and playing wit 50fps at most i loved the game ( mostly bcs of gamble ofc and skins ) but i played it and there was operations. And now.. no one plays anymore everyone went to do something more productive and figure it out that rank dont mean shit and i dont care bout it. Even for half a year cs rank system was ass bcs everyone was silver haha soo bad game i came only once a month to get that case even thought now cs works better
Riot took the cs players, so valve decided to steal its league players
Deadlock will not attract many top down mobas like dota 2 and league. If's the case then dota 2 will be affected as well.
Yeah, i have no intention of trading top down moba for a shooter moba. It's no where near the same.
Smite might be sweating right now.
Hell yeah😂
give it a few years, Riot will take deadlock players and deadlock will be filled with cheaters and barely any updates. If they release an Arcane/League shooter/moba, or something like overwatch, its over for deadlock
the wicca phase shirt is fire
0:51
I'm pretty sure the pros hate their IBP PCs. Haven't multiple people complained many times about them?
IBP should have went away the same time MaxPC and PCGamer went away. Who's still looking at their ads?
if you're talking about VCT, IBP is only sponsoring VCT Americas, which I don't think pros has complained about. It's the international lan (master/champion) PCs that's getting replaced.
One whole year and all we got was Arms Race and a case lmao. I remember how people were cheering Valve for how many updates CS2 for the first couple of months, now we get one line of patchnote a month at best.
It's crazy how much of a grip this company has on people. Everyone entering a collective psychosis for no updates.
How do you keep a straight face while saying the pros prefer ibuypower pcs?
Short answer : Yes.
We know Valve abandon us the moment they announce new IP.
Solution? Don't play the game, stop buying/opening case. Hurt their wallet the most.
Yesterday I launched CS, got into premier and to my disdain, I found out my FPS dropped from 160-190 to just 30-40 whenever an enemy character swings on my POV or I peek them. It was miserable.
They really killed csgo for THAT 😂
"You might not agree with/like their methods, but you have to trust that they're doing what's best for the game."
The HELL WE DO.
"I'm sure by now they know exactly what they need to do to make the game the best it can be."
Well they're NOT DOING IT.
I understand and appreciate your ability to take a step back and recognize that we're a demanding community and that the CS devs are fallible, and they don't have infinite resources or time. But nothing is getting better. They need to pick some stuff to focus on fixing and DO IT. Movement, optimization, anticheat, networking issues, whatever. Take your pick. But fix something, because I think I can speak for the whole community when I say we've just about given up. I don't have another game to go play that I enjoy the way I enjoy CS, but I've given up on caring about anything within the game, and I know a lot of people who have quit playing entirely. It's not fun anymore. Everything about the game feels horrible. I don't crave the game the way I used to. I just want things to feel like they did in GO. I know, I know...there were problems in GO as well. But there are bigger, and more problems in 2. If you argue that point, I'm sorry, but you're in denial.
PLEASE, CS2 devs, please for the love of all things good, do SOMETHING that has meaning in terms of improving the game you forced down our throats.
Cry
He has a point though. This feels like how TF2 was before SaveTF2 and FixTF2 all over again.@@fisty4665
@@fisty4665 I already mourned GO, I know it's gone. I also know Valve doesn't care what we think or say. But I won't sit here and listen to someone tell me to have faith and trust the process and just smile and nod. I won't validate their stupidity and laziness.
This is why Valorant won't dive into the gambling side.
POV cs fan: did they leave us?
pov tf2 fans: first time?
Shoutout Wicca Phase, GOTHBOICLIQUE
3:29 "As someone who can't run the game well enough to enjoy it" You are saying, as a gaming journalist, that you don't have good enough specs to run CS2 of all things? Interesting.
To be fair you need a nasa supercomputer to keep 150 fps after a few smokes start to fade
In scenarios like this I think a lot about little Timmy at the WallMart getting the best “gamer pc” the dell employee told them about
I can not blame the lack of communication on anything other than the CS community. The few times the CS team has spoken directly to the community and given factual information the community harassed them about it, it's really damned if you do and damned if you don't with the CS community.
Remember when ValveRyan posted correct information and had their comment turned into a copypasta for doing so?
If people really have a huge issue with the state of the game as it stands, the solution is simple, play something else, when CS2 is constantly top of the steamcharts it certainly doesn't send the message the community keeps wanting to send.
I honestly have no big issues with the current state of the game, other than vertigo being in the map pool, but I also don't play the game to the point of 20+ week xp streaks like I have seen some players in game have.
I put myself in the shoes of these devs, if you give the community the thing they have been begging for for years and then they turn around and say "no we don't want this, go back to source 1." I can't imagine the devs having anything but apathy for the community anymore, this isn't me saying simp for valve, because you shouldn't, blind company loyalty is stupid, but I do think the community forgets that valve at its core is a business where the devs work on what they are passionate about, it honestly sounds like a developer's dream job, so why work on a game where the community makes you feel like you're working for EA?
@@TheTruCloud Tbh the game isn't bad if you aren't playing on a potato which most of the players are
I have played 700 hours on new CS2 and while the feel is different I already fully adapted to it to the point people are screaming I am cheating even tho I am not 😂
I really miss retakes game mode as it was a quick way to play in a controlled manner - casual with 10 players is often such a shit show as maps were never designed for so much util
I don't like the way they are treating CS but I don't miss much from the GO version
good % is just bots farming cases other farming hours and people who truly enjoy playing it is really small i bet
@@hotpot328 I mean that part we can only really speculate about, for sure though even in NA where we have less total playerbase than EU the queue times are still very fast during early morning hours, I can't really say the same for some other competitive games on the market.
There were large amounts of bot farmers in CSGO as well especially during the "Earn your prime status" era.
Valve has been getting feedback on CS2 for a year now. They clearly don't care.
goated wicca phase tshirt!
4:03 Yea just like in CS Go it has 10 developers working on it regularly. The game is on life support at this point, they cannot pump out more content.
Tf2 community: first time?
The thinking of the community is wrong. As a developer I can say that a new project is easier to implement new shiny update at a faster rate then a "older" project. Why? Because 1. Bigger code base 2. Already working code that we don't want to break 3. Cs2 is a competitive game if they bring update at a fast rate there can be unexpected bugs. 4. They are probably on the anti cheat. i assume that is the highest priority right now. Probably even other factors but I'm not a valve dev🤷
People have already complained about cheating in CS:GO for years. In fact, CS2 promised a better anticheat. Saying anticheat is high priority is (at this point) speculation at best and cope at worst.
Plus for all it's flaws at least the base gameplay of CS:GO felt good. People have been saying that CS2 feels worse throughout it's entire existance. There isn't really any valid excuse for ending up worse than if you did nothing instead
Good insights. But the fact that the Anticheat is still such a big issue after one year and they are making so little obvious progress makes me mad! It always takes Valve AGES to implement changes and improvements to certain things. Goodness, for how long did we need to wait until the SG553 was finally nerfed? And all it took was change the fire rate!
This is just the Valve slails pace development tempo!
Dope wicca phase shirt
funny thing is. the community never asked for a cs2. omegalul
yoooo wicca phase springs eternal shirt, nice one!
Its not abandoned. Theyre working hard making it as different from csgo as possible. The devs have been instructed to suck the soul of counter strike out of cs2 and so far theyve done so brilliantly.
All they had to do is soul transfer from csgo to cs2.... with same gameplay and updated graphics thats it!!! But nooo they had to make cs2 shittier for us so that deadlock shines. Why you think they dropped to 64 subtic? So they save that $$$ for deadlock!!
@@Brimaudi1337 i’d rather play the game with slightly inaccurate 128 tick with a godlike feeling and mechanics of the game instead of alleged “accurate” cucktick wherein bullets dont go where you aim, spray goes haywire and movement makes you sick and clunky.
@@deep_z Exactly bro i feel you!
If so then I hope they add ads to cs2
Do the ibuypower PCs have a dedicated throw game function?
I appreciate your Wicca Phase Springs Eternal swag
CS2 players feeling a fraction of the pain a TF2 player feels:
Nice Wicca Phase Springs Eternal shirt! Valve has a homogenous organization. People choose which projects to work on by will after being hired. This is clearly stated in the employee handbook offered for free on their website or a google search, which shows the workflow and how priority is obtained for employees. If one side has more workers or excitement going on, it incentivises to go work on the project with more energy being put into the games or hardware.
Wicca Phase Springs Eternal shirt, Nice.
cs2 and valorant are pretty much the last fps titles that exist. apex and cod and battlefield are clown fiestas with aim assist, overwatch 2 is going back to 6v6 with most likely 2/2/2 being brought back to prevent goats comps, and r6 is hopeless. most game companies pretty much do not give a shit about trying to displace cs2 as the premier fps, and are just trying to find the infinite money glitch. they even on purpose release games with hilariously overpowered shit on purpose to raise the blood pressure of gamers because they know anger sells skins, then they hire reddit bots to tell people they're bad and if they were good, they would have avoided the character's giant fireball aoe ultimate that does 300 damage, and can be detonated on the ground if the direct hit misses, and has fire tick damage for 15 seconds, and can't be cleansed, but it's okay because our internal data shows that it's balanced until 2 months later when we agree it wasn't balanced all along. most people from cs can't handle that, so cs2 is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
R6 adding an operator in a wheelchair is fucking hilarious
Erm... you must have not tried pixel strike 3d
@@BigMidGang welp. pixel shooters are the future then
used to be hardcore cs fan, now i love and enjoy valorant so much more. GG valve. Where is TF3
Bro the R8 skins are still not fixed. And I've been writing emails to CS2 team, since October last year. Most of the R8 skins don't have their bullets in them, you reload air. And put air into the chamber. Check it! Compare to the default skin.
why would they kill csgo to give us unfinished game to work on another game?? give us back csgo
The beginning of the video almost got me canceled
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to be fair, the game has just released, it's logical they would need to focus on the game in its early stages. Counter Strike has been out for 12 years, they are still actively updating the game. Maybe once Deadlock has gotten out of that early stage development, we will see bigger stuff in CS2
cs is getting the tf2 treatment 💀
wicca phase springs eternal shirt, common w
Valve has said themselves that theyre polishing the game and making sure it works well before adding new content, and that they have stuff planned, including new weapons, and that it wont happen until the game officially hits one year old. CS2 will officially be one year old on September 27th, which at the time of writing this, will be 4 days from now. I actually think they skipped celebrating the 25th Anniversary of CS for this 1 year mark. I think they are waiting for expectations to die down so that a reveal will be hype. I mean, imagine all of this high hopes and expectations, and then they release something and it doesn't satisfy a lot of the playerbase, it would be very underwhelming. So its my belief that they are cooking up something good.
Valve isnt stupid, they know what theyre doing. It doesnt make sense to remake the game on a new engine to make changes to the game easier and better updates just to never do any of that. Like why revamp a bunch of stuff like the loadout system if theyre never going to do anything with it? They know CS is their bread and butter, why waste a bunch of time and money remaking it in source 2 if they never planned on making the game better from CSGO? It just doesnt make any sense.
Something is coming. It may not be exactly on the 27th of September, but it will be sometime after that. I do expect atleast a happy birthday, maybe a behind the scenes of CS2 for the 27th. Maybe even a new case thats sort of like a birthday present. I'm not sure. But if they dont even write anything about it on the 27th, then I think it would be a little worrying.
There has to be a reason they skipped out on the 25th Anniversary. There has to be a reason why they stopped pushing monthly updates for a couple months. Even with TF2 they atleast get a big summer update about every year. Valve isnt stupid. Something IS coming.
10 years later ?.yeah good luck to wait for that
they just need to do the basic of releasing a game as game dev : MAINTENANCE & UPDATE.But fck it they too lazy to do a "treadmill work" as they said
We welcome cs2 to the club with open arms. You can sit next to tf2 or left for dead, but we are glad you have arrived!
Wicca Phase tee, we see you Devin.
Lmfao, I thought it said "Wicca please".
Lets be real if Valve feels like not updating their game, they will not update the game, and if you still buy their shit, so that's on you
Valve def pulled an OW1 move
Valve is killing their projects via starvation like they are a Russian gulag. Tf2, cs2, dota2, and probably deadlock after a year.
Don't forget dota2
@@parham1023 true I’ll add it to the list of starved games lmao
@@parham1023 you guys have the memory span of a dead dog dota literally had its biggest 2 gameplay updates this year.
@@nomes_9288 comparing it to 2015. Dota is slowly but surly dying.
@@parham1023with that logic every game is dying. Just enjoy the game
Didnt valve say the first year would be small fixes and just working on the game?
They abandoned it when it released how are people only just noticing this now. We're over a year into what was supposed to be a graphical update to CSGO and we have:
- Performance issues.
- Worse movement.
- Worse shooting.
- Less gamemodes.
- Less maps.
- More bugs.
- More cheaters.
CS2 is a colossal failure of a game and it is honestly insulting. This franchise has been around for a very long time but I'm almost certain we're seeing the sad end of it with this horseshit replacement. Why the fuck can't we just play Global Offensive like we all want to?
I don't even understand how people are accepting 64 tick with or without subtick while 144Hz displays are now considered entry level. Technically 64 tick at this time and age is literally a crime.
Shout out Wicca Phase springs eternal.
To be fair Deadlock is amazing and I believe that one day it will become Genre defining, but thats going to take years at this point considering its only in PRE-ALPHA. There needs to be a better balance between CS updates and Deadlock updates imo. We are over a year into CS2 now with terrible sub tick, one of the most stagnant map pools in the last 5 years, and no operation. Like why even release CS2 if you're not going to do anything with it for a year, whats the point?
Pretty sure Valve is just gonna release a big update when the Cache mapmaker finishes remaking Cache later this year.
springs eternal
from what i see, that the deadlock devs are similiar to dota 2 devs by the mechanics, items, even the hero ability. so in my theory that cs2 and deadlock are 2 different devs, where is cs2 doesn't care about the game meanwhile deadlock/dota 2 devs do care about their game+anticheat
edit : seems my english still bad lol
I quit the game, but like keeping in the know of what's going on. I really don't miss the game lol
Honestly, I think valve is surfing the player wave right now, trying their best to keep them. Unfortunate side-effect of this is leaving out their games such as Left 4 Dead, TF2 and CS2. I would put DOD into that list but they are a lost cause.
I am not sure what you meant with "genre Valve hasn't tackled yet"? Nobody tackled a shooter moba yet. Or is it that it's a third person shooter that they hadn't tackled? Because hero shooters they did with TF2, while dated, it was still the biggest thing in the genre at the time and could be considered genre defining. The other side of being a MOBA you get only the biggest e sports tournament game in the history of games with Dota2. So either you meant "3rd person shooter" or you forgot that Dota2 is a Valve game.
I used to be a diehard CS fan. Started playing since 1.6, then played 10 years of CSGO. Never have I felt more betrayed by Valve when they released CS2. The amount of problems that it came with especially the number of cheaters in 20k+ elo.
Hate to say this but Valorant is taking a massive shit on CS, and this is coming from a long term CS player. The ones in denial are delusional and need to wake up.
P.S. I’ve also tried FACEIT and reached Level 10. I stopped because I don’t want to “seriously” try in a game. I just want to play it.
me when a game that is in development gets more updates than a fully released game
They need to hire more people. its known that valve employs so few developers that their gross income per employee is so exceedingly high that they near the top of the board GLOBALLY. That's including every major buisness. Valve makes an estimated $19 million per employee. For comparison, Riot Games employs 2,500 people with the previous years annual revenue of of around $1.5 billion. That's $600,000 per employee. Valve made $13 billion in 2022. (I couldnt find any good source for 2023) Its absurd they don't hire more help. There are absolute greedy rats in charge there.
Edit: a new article I found stated that valve employed around roughly 360 employees sourced from valve itself back in 2016. AND that even back then they were making $15 million per employee. The number of employees is still around that range even in 2021 according to leaked data.
Its a great read. "Here’s how much Valve pays its staff - and how few people it employs" By Jay Peters
I mean they more or less also stated that they are working on vac for cs2. Haven's seen anything about that though. The last operation ended 936 days ago. They didn't do anything big for the 25 years anniversary of cs. Cs2 is out for almost a year and we are still missing a ton of content. Maps, game modes, default agents,... I think if they are not doing anything for the 1 year release anniversary of cs2 i'm gonna sell my skins and call it a day. 😐
Bro we basically need to start a gofundme to hire a cs2 dev cause clearly valve aint doing it.
Its weird to assume just because an update hasn't been deployed = the dev simply does not care.
Maybe there are a ton of other reasons but saying they don't care is the easiest way to conclude something you have no information on. Even if money is a factor every single valve employee could make more money just working for server companies.
Pretending you can mind read emotion and motivation of developers you have never talked to is braindead
Actually switched off from playing cs2 and started playing the division 2 which is the best 2 out there