VW Golf R vs MINI Cooper S Coupe 0-60 MPH mile high Mashup Review
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2012 Volkswagen Golf R is the fastest, most powerful and best handling VW Golf you can buy. Unlike the VW GTI it has all-wheel-drive and more powerful 256 horsepower turbo-charged engine. The 2012 MINI Cooper S Coupe might just be the best handling and fastest MINI in the land but unlike the Golf R it is front wheel drive. It also has a turbo charged engine but it has only two doors and it barely seats two so it certainly doesn't compete with the Golf R....or does it. In another fun and unique TFLcar Mashup we compare apples to oranges to see which car is the better ride.
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Golf R 0-60 is 5.6 seconds according to VW specs. I own one. You are 100% correct. The car is very fast.
golf r 0-60 = 8.9 seconds? Someone needs to cut off his right foot and make sure he never drives again.
PDXborn he said 8.03 not 8.9
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PDXborn we have diesel golf go faster than the r reviewed here wtf
It's the altitude, dingbats
Not same they should use JCW
More like the GP3
From what I can tell, they are done in Colorado. It helps for those that live in this state to see how these cars perform at this altitude. It seems Turbo is the way to go...
Thanks for your thooughtful comments. In our first drive video from France of the European R car we almost swooned with delight. And while you may not want to hear this...the American Golf R manual is no faster than a GTI automatic to 60 MPH. The combination of AWD and extra weight off-set the 50 HP it has on the dual clutch auto GTI. Plus you and I can't shift as fast as the dual clutch auto...no human can. Finally did you ever consider that as an owner of the R you are not impartial?
To be honest this is the very first time I've ever driven a stick shift car. You'd think with all of the hundreds of cars I've driven and reviewed around the world, I'd know how to shift a stick....but I appreciate you pointing out the fact that since I'm American I need the practice. Of course I was born in Europe but I'll go out now and practice because to your sage comment.
I'm sorry but Roman can not drive. He should not be allowed to do 0-60 runs
Perhaps you should read the comments, or pay attention to what we say in the video, or read the captions in the video, or even read the title of the video. If you did any of that you realize that we test @ 1 mile above sea level and that we perform real world testing. So yes, unlike you...we read our comments.
How come when viewers disagree with our results they always say the same thing..."we can't drive". And exactly how do you know the Gold R is much faster? Have you dragged race both of them at 1 mile above sea level or are you just making uninformed comments?
Yes we are the professionals. Just because we like to entertain as well as inform doesn't mean we don't take our jobs very seriously. This is third time I've driven the Golf R. The first time was in France, the second time was at the U.S. Introduction of the car and before this video I drove it on a long road trip both on the highway and in the mountains to get a real feel for the vehicle's capability before we produced and published this review. How many times have you driven it?
I tried lots of launches and the one you saw was one of the better launches. At least we're willing to admit when we screw up.
This is why I prefer this channel over The Fast Lane Pedestrian. I enjoyed that :)
Just so you guys know the manufacturer says 181 hp for the new engine on the newer model MINIs but it was dyno tested for a stock MINI(turbocharged) at 184 hp. But just giving you the right information for those who love to mod;-). Good job on the video though, good comparison!
Thanks! Next time, I will call it the Cooper hatch. Irn-Bru is the best!
I know. I tested it with the launch control in France and love it. The DSG is also much faster but than again the U.S. R only cost $35,000 dollars which is much cheaper compared to the European version.
We don't test or retune tanks. But thanks for the suggestion.
AGREED! I just competed in an AutoX with mine AT ALTITUDE and neither I nor the Hubster had a problem launching my car! Our car put a serious hurt on a number of experienced AutoXer's with much faster cars. You just need to rev the car to around 2200rpm and drop the clutch. The car takes off like a rocket! All "training wheels" should be disengaged and the a/c turned off.
Have a R56 Mini S Hatch...and AZ Rt 89A from Wickenburg to Flagstaff...the driving life is good here. This car will tear your eyeballs out on this road. and scare the hell out of any passengers you have. The only thing I miss from my old '74 Alfa is the exhaust note and the gas fumes lol...
golf r 265bhp old gen is 5.7 0-62mph. The VW driver is either terrible or the VW was broken
How do you people not understand (or just flat out ignore) that they are 1 mile above sea level.....
Just as an FYI: The tires don't chirp because there's no power until the turbo spools up. Both cars tend to bog at launch. So did you get the tires to chirp when you launched them?
I think most people that like/own the Golf R disregard all the numbers and the cost. I happen to have one and think most people underestimate it honestly. Only had people with 350z's try to race me but one didn't even come close and one NISMO edition stayed right next to me. With both those cars 0-60 times rated lower than the Golf. Had an STI before my Golf R as well and the interior and daily function of the two don't compare.
I enjoyed watching this. Maybe I should drive my Cooper S down to the dealership and try out the MINI Cooper Coupe.
I live in Colorado and I have a Cobalt SS Turbocharged and I spank Mustang GTs, Camaro SS's and all sort of cars I shouldn't beat. Altitude effects performance! As for this video, I still find it difficult to believe a Mini Cooper Coupe spanked a Golf R, but it is what it is. All the nay sayers out there, buy or rent or lease both these cars and put up your own video if it's that important to you. As for the poster, thanks I liked this video.
I love the Mashups. Nobody cross shops different types of vehicles. I like to hear about the handling differences across classes.
As much as I love the VR6, this wasn't about that engine. This is about the 2.0L turbo engine. The R32 is now a 5 year old car and almost killed the R in America because few people wanted the ridiculous DSG transmission. If you have an R32, great, go to the Vortex or one of the R pages. Since you don't have a Golf R, you really can't speak to the slight that this journalist has done to our cars.
What a test 256HP vs 184HP ??????
Take Wörks or GP for this test.
We've driven both the European R and the American R and the American Golf R is much cheaper but also detuned and slower...especially since it comes without launch control.
I've driven with Roman on race tracks and even on go-kart tracks. He's a good, qualified, gifted drive. I'm a driving idiot.
I believe Lamborghini is German(ish) just like I said in the video that MINI is German(ish).
They're at 1 mile above sea level... Meaning the engine can't perform at full performance
You have no idea! Absolutely love my MINI.
This video is hilarious!! there is no way these cars compete with each other, and there is NO way that they have the same kind of buyer!
Do you live at a mile above sea level. Do you understand what less air pressure does to horsepower, or do you just like to feel superior to others by calling them bad drivers?
No, there is still a loss - just not as much as a regular internal combustion engine. Some turbos actually self adjust and can compensate a bit more. It all depends on the powerplant, turbo's size, intercooling you name it. Thanks for watching!
nathan just made the best comment about the suspention ever
I'm still happy with my '03 24V VR6 GTI... now 10 years old! The car still puts a smile on my face when I drive it. I'll take the new 'R' though. Seems like a great, all around daily driver, but way too expensive. VW's used to be more affordable.
Roman and Nathan, thanks for yet another great and informative video, after 10 hours at work I love watching these videos! Peace guys.
I own the Golf R, and it's much quicker 0-60 than 8 seconds. You just have to launch the AWD correctly. If you don't, your time will suck. If you do, it takes off like a rocket!
Mini S= Most Underrated Car Ever
Roman, I live in Colorado and own a Golf R. I can guarantee you that my Golf R is MUCH faster 0-60 than 8.3 seconds even at altitude. Perhaps the test mule that you were given had been abused or didn't have correct fuel in it. I'd be more than happy to show you just how fast a properly maintained Golf R is at altitude. I won't allow anyone to drive my car, though. I barely let my husband drive my car. If you'd like, you can even see what one looks like in action at an AutoX or at HPR.
Great fun video as always guys! I'm actually in the market for a Golf R, but now I have to look into the Mini as well.
Keep up the good work!
Loved the Slow lane car guys :-D!
Keep up the great work Roman and Nathan!
Greetings from Sweden!
That's why the Euro model has launch control. It's taken me a month to learn the 1/2 upshift in my Abarth.
I agree, I was thinking of trading my 20th anniversary GTI until I found out there was no DSG in the R. My 20th anniversary stock may only be 180 hp--but after I did the stage I revo and added a cold air intake and with only 2900lbs to carry around, I changed my mind, and I am keeping my GTI after all.
What would happen if you didn't mention the "Mile above sea level" before a quarter-mile test? I would love to see that..LOL. No seriously, you shoul do it a few times and watch and the TFL newbies go crazy!
Totally agree with you. The guy in the Golf didn't even get the tiniest bit of wheel spin, looked like a pretty slow start. In other vids of theirs I've seen the a/c on while doing 0-60 runs, maybe not in this vid, but its definitely possible, just another thing sucking power out of the engine. I've driven in the MINI JCW Coupe (200 hp vs. 180 in the S) and drive a Golf R everyday, and there's no way that the MINI is faster. Altitude is a factor, but that result seems a bit too extreme.
Because people don´t buy if they think it´s to expensive, with 45k u can buy the entrance Audi A6 or a really loaded audi A4 in the US, or if u prefer a good bmw 3 series, a loaded Lexus IS, or acura TL or anything like that, the point is if it´s to expensive dont buy it, the prices will drop. Everybody likes to make fun of the US about cars but the thing is they really understand how the market works, thats why the cars are so inexpensive there.
Pretty inaccurate comment. Volkswagen charges $23,995 and $33,990 for the R. It's on their website and it's what we were told BY the VW Group LLC. Read up... aww hell - just LOOK on Volkswagen's US website for the prices. Then say you're sorry.
All you guys who keep going on and on about how slow the R is and how these guys can't drive need to take a weekend and head to the mountains. You'll be in for a surprise!
Awesome Show! And GREAT Steelers hat!!
yes... your VR6 is quick, but at a mile-high altitude almost any naturally aspirated car will loose at least 20% of its maximum sea-level power output ... turbo-cars will suffer less, but even then they will loose some power (maybe 5 to 10%, depending on the turbo-charger used)
If the Cooper S were $20K (25K w/ options), it would be a great car. Sadly, there is no excuse for having FWD with a pricetag that high.
Mini Cooper nails this test
Well, if you want to get a fast 0-60 in an all wheel drive car... drop the clutch at 5k. That is how the awd advantage is captured over the front wheel drive. Did you turn off the traction control on both cars too? Those are two reasons the golf R would be slower.
Love your videos guys, keep them coming in all shapes and sizes!! I wake up every day hoping for an uploaded review from your channel. THANKS
HOLY HELL that is a loaded ass mini cooper S coupe if it cost 32k. Those things start off at 24k. While the Golf R STARTS at 34k.
NATHAN...brutal gear change
Love the ending can't wait for the episode!! Too funny!! Roman and Nathan doing a serious review Ha! Ha! Watched it 4 times and laughed every single time!
love the minis cant wait to buy one
Also, if you can't get the Mini S to 60 in under 7 secs, you're doing it wrong...engage Sport Mode, DTC, and dump the clutch...the car WILL do it if you're capable.
All Volkswagens that come to America are extremely de-tuned. There are certain company’s that will transform your Turbo Volkswagen’s into what their really capable of putting out. Let’s take APR Motorsports for an example. You spend $500 just a simple tune, nothing else. There is a good chance you will be putting down 250 Horsepower and around 300 lb-ft of torque to the wheels, depending on model/engine. Not to mention it’s just as reliable, and safe as the "stock" Volkswagens.
I've driven both and owned a couple MCSs and now a Golf R. Golf is faster for me to 60 but not by worlds, and faster to 100. Never had 'em more than ~2000' above sea level though. Looks like the Golf driver did bog on the launch a bit to me (or has ASR on).
Using 0-60 as the performance metric for these cars is funny though. Neither of them really show their strengths in straight line speed but rather on the road course/twisties. The Golf is 100x the car as a DD/tourer and more fun IMO.
@amays86 - I have a R56 as well. Our turbo falls off after 5.6k rpms. There's no point in shifting after that if you want to stay in the power band.
Thanks for the kind comment. We post a new video everyday. Please stay tuned for the new all electric Ford C-Max and Viper coming this week.
@Rextetron - We had both cars on the track, as well. Roman is right about the inital turbo lag, but once both of these machines are spooled up and rolling, it's a different story. I owned a 2006 WRX, and can tell you that both of these cars, especially the Golf R, feel remarkably similar (if not entirely faster) at speed.
So to help everyone clear it up, MINI is owned and built with more BMW parts then anything. Lamborghini has its power train co developed with Audi and some penciling done by them as well. So Roman is correct in saying that the MINI is German and the Lambo German(ish)!!
The golf r engine's power depends a whole lot on it's turbo, and at a mile above sea level, that turbo is almost useless. The air up there is so thin that it very well could have affected the time by that much. I know that at sea level, the golf r should've gotten a 5.5-6.0 sec time.
Americans know nothing about hot hatches, who in their right mind need to compare a Mini S and Golf R da fuq.... everyone should know the answer before even thinking
I'm liking this. I'm thinking about doing a similar web series with cars myself. Good job guys!
i really like you 2 guys but i'm sorry to say that THIS drag must have been driven really bad...these things happen! But seriously the Golf R has to make the 0-60 in under 6 seconds. That's a fact. and even if there was not the best conditions (altitude, temperature, air pressure...) such a result is not possible. The Golf is AWD and has much more BHP.
And NO i'm not claiming because i love german cars. I would prefer the MINI, but the Golf is faster.
It would have been better imo if you compared the John Cooper Works Coupe which starts off at close to 31k. It is much closer price wise and performance wise with 208hp compared to 181 for the base S model and it comes with Brembo brakes.
Even with all that you still have about 3k to use to put in a sport suspension and a strut brace to control the body roll on turns.
I'll take a JCW Mini over a similarly priced Golf R any-day.
Golf R is way faster than that?! odd? Off the line, in the R, it has a MASSIVE response if you ride clutch a little bit... just a little and it will pull out faster. I leave cars at the line all the time when racing. Mine was under 6 sec. zero to 60 at stock with Carbonio... now Twintake, APR, Forge bypass it's even quicker and more throttle with torque all the way to7k RPM limit. The ability to turn off traction systems was added, so now even better launch! this is the only place i see such slow times on Golf R.. so I would say, bad car or bad driving (American version does have " launch control" as well. there is a video of it being used against a Audie R8 and it left the R8 and tied up with it! ) The best part of Golf R is ability to EXPAND on the platform, and like me, still get over 35 MPG on highway... but it is faster than what they say... I like that Mini! though they do ride rough...
You're right on the riding the clutch a little. I noticed a huge difference on my launch when I left the clutch in a tad to let the RPM stay up while the cars launch control kicked in. I absolutely love my Golf R and have no regrets. Though I don't get 35 MPG on highway unless I'm drafting Semi's or bigger vehicles. Usually I sit around 28-30. I beat a Mini Cooper S the other day though. I also think the Speed limiter stops the Cooper sooner than the Golf R's. Mine is limited to 130 mph.
you can defeat ESC now. google "apr esc defeat"
Yep, I had the ESC defeat added when I went stage 2, it's great. .. even added some more mpg .. it helps car drive more old school when I'm on curves and not such a over bearing " safe" feel, I save that for the time family is in car with me, lol.. and though riding clutch is best way to launch, I have only done that 3 times.. don't want to hurt my baby! :)
I has 3 minis and they are a blast to drive, this one is cool, but the new 4 door is a joke!!!
I tried it three times. That 8.03 was the best I could get. Both cars tend to bog at launch until the turbo spools up.
Mini Cooper s should go to 60 only in 2nd gear
You guys are lucky to get to test all versions. But isn't one of the reasons for the detune is the octane difference between the US and Europe. Our highest is what, 93? Theirs is 98/100? Anywho, good stuff guys
I think it's more GTI vs Cooper S and R vs John Cooper Works, but it is a mash-up.
The Mini Countryman could be a good competitor for the Golf R.
Its kind of their own fault for not specifying their location. I believe they are located 1000 miles above sea level which drastically lowers speed. When they tested a mustang, I believe, the 0-60 time was like 5.5s when it should be somewhere in the mid 4s.
Not really fair to compare a 4 door hot hatch to a 2 door coupe. Now, I would like to see a match between the Mini S 4 door and the GTI.
By the way, nice Steelers hat!
Salvatore Aversa The only 4 door cooper is a Clubman, and it's meant to be an SUV alternative for them.... The Cooper R53/R56 are both 2 door hot-hatches. Honestly...
I've owned VW ( air cooled and water cooled ) longer than my English vehicles, including my Triumph motorcycles, but I would equally select a Mini Cooper over a VW if it gave me the better experience.
I will be making that decision later this year... Stay tuned.
They only do cars available in the States. Convince VW to bring it here!!
Thanks Rob! I heard that simple aftermarket upgrades can beef up the torque to well over 200 lbs.
When is the serious review coming out? 8 episodes later, it's still not out, why?? I can't wait for it to come out! Otherwise great job except put the previews in the episode before it not like 10 episodes before, or else it's not next time...
When are you guys gonna bring out the Fiat Abarth ? That will be interesting. Btw,nice video
i don't think people realize how much slower a car gets when they are a mile above sea level...
I live here, and own an R. Of course I'd be biased, but this dude either can't drive, or has a reason to absolutely baby the car.
@nolanzm Excellent question! In addition, how would a car perform blow sea level, on land of course.
There's 7 minutes ill never get back.
LOL! Thanks for the review & adding some humor to it as well!! Romain & Nate you guy's are great!
I understand that altitude effects 0-60 times negatively. But why do some cars preform closer to their sea level 0-60 times then others? Is it torque, build quality?
I've never been a fan of Volkswagen, they are always over priced and not as reliable as everyone claims. This new Golf R doesn't change my opinion at all. I do like the fact that it has AWD but for that price I would rather buy a Subaru STI which is reliable, had more horsepower, and faster.
Holy crap that ending is great! The slow lane car is a great spinoff, when is the first episode airing?
Before even watching the video or looking at the comments, by the amount of dislikes i could tell the Volkswagen lost. There's a cult following for VWs
Not initially as I wrote in my comment, I said from 2010 onwards, all engines are bmw, which is true. Please read carefully before trying to be smart. Furthermore, it is inevitable that in the supply chain you'll find so many different manufacturers, especially when speaking about cars, still, the Mini is now sold thanks to bmw's project. unfortunately youtube isn't the best place to discuss about such a vast argument, there are so many examples to examine.
The comment about the Golf R being a "premium car" in Europe but just being a VW over here made me laugh. Last time I checked, it wears the same VW badge no matter where you buy it. I know the point he was trying to make, but it should have been better worded/phrased.
Luxury wise you get more bang for your buck or performance wise? Performance wise you definitely don't get close to bang for the buck in a Golf R compared to a Mini Cooper S.
A hardtop Mini Cooper S starts at 24k. A base VW R starts at 34k.
For less than 8k you can get a stage 4 kit that is street legal and gets a Mini Cooper S 260-265hp. That shit will smoke a Golf R considering the weight difference and you still have 2k left to spare.
Why are people complaining about these videos being "informative" and whatnot? Why're people complaining at all?? If you don't like them, DON'T watch em! Geez.
Hell yeah, I want to see more of the slow lane car!
Cool!! Always wondered the difference between fast and quick!