I would pick Ryu and Ken to stay in the Street Fighter world. Ryu is still the face of Street Fighter history, especially Ken is like the cool best friend/rival character in the Street Fighter history. I would drop E. Honda and Dhalsim because they should pass on their Fighting Techniques to the new generation fighters
@@electroburstx3093 Chun-li got to stay as she is known to be, "Lady of Fighting Games", and is too popular to just drop now. Blanka should stay more or less, because some of players were were overjoyed with Blanka returning and still being as funny as ever. Everyone other World Warriors must be dropped, yes.
Granted I would say like Ken for a story perspective since as mentioned he's rich has a family and is running his father's busniess which honestly would be the case after the events of SF5, you know *go home and be a family man*. Same for Guile & maybe Chun-li since they had avenge their love ones and Chun-li is now a retired mother of sorts teaching her new adopted daughter Li-fen in her own ways, heck I was expecting her to be added as this series new generation of Chun-li so that she has all of her moves and plays the same as her but with a different face to carry on her legacy. Of course that WAS to be the case in my mind at first but much like fans reception they never let the world warriors have they're happy ending and would want them to be forced back in someway cause they're fan favorites for many people. And even the 1 and done characters whom some people wished to see return but didn't are also some fan favorites, Sean, Menat, Sodom, Rufus(I joke but their are actually fans for this guy as well).
E.Honda & Blanka can go. Zangief COULD be replaced be Haggar for one go but he's quite iconic. Dhalsim's archetype is too unique. Ryu, Ken, Chun & Guile are just too popular to drop.
Delete Blanka and E.Honda forever. With all its combat sports history Brazil should have a better rep than a joke character who's a literal green monster man from the jungle. It'd be better if they'd stuck with the more serious look they gave him in his SSF2 artwork, but instead they turned him into a goofball. At this point Sean should be old enough that he could be an interesting character with Shoto/BJJ-inspired moves. Honda's just lame. He doesn't have a character, he just is "sumo wrestler." What does he do? Sumo wrestling. What's his goal? To popularize Sumo wrestling. What are his notable character traits? He loves Sumo wrestling. His character design? Well...he's a Sumo wrestler...oh, but with kabuki face paint! His moves are lame, his look is lame, everything about this character sucks. He's not even fun to fight! Get rid of him already. What's the problem, there won't be enough Japanese characters?
I would disagree than T3 Jin was a generic protagonist. He was the son of Kazuya (the antagonist of T2) and Jun, which is interesting in of itself and hadn’t really been done in a fighting game canon before. He also had a ton of character development in that game alone between his rivalry with Hwoarang, seeking revenge for his mother and his arc with Heihachi using him to get to the devil gene, and the subsequent reveal of devil Jin.
I wouldn’t even chalk the failure of Street Fighter 3 to having almost all new characters. The biggest reason Street Fighter 3 failed is nobody bought Street Fight 3 cabinets. When Street Fighter 3 was a thing that was out, I only ever saw the cabinet once, in an airport, and the cabinet didn’t even say Street Fighter on it so you had to actually look at it for awhile to even tell what it was. I didn’t Third Strike out in the wild until like 2003/2004. And it’s not like being a 2D fighting game was a problem, because Capcom’s Marvel games were all over the place. The arcade in the mall I regularly went to at that time never got a Street Fighter 3 cabinet, however, they had every Capcom Marvel fighting game that came out when they came out from X-Men: Children of the Atom in ‘95 to Marvel vs Capcom 2 in 2000. And you’d see those Marvel Capcom games all over the place in the late ‘90s. My guess would be that Street Fighter 3 machines just cost more, so places didn’t order them as much, and the Street Fighter 3 games weren’t as flashy looking as their own Marvel games.
Well how it would ya feel if his son Atreus that is now grown up and is now the leading the role for the new God of War game, he probably won't have the same tenacity as his father(in the older games mind you) but still fights like him and with different weapons that makes him stand out from Kratos! We see that as it going on as the game keeps progressing with *The BOY* growing up.
@@LtJackStone no. They’re still going to be in the story together. Atreus doesn’t have the lore behind him to carry a game on his own, even when they inevitably age him up for the sequel. And Sony knows that. Think about it, if they wanted Atreus to be the lead, then why didn’t they make him the focus on the ragnarok DLC instead of Kratos
Not if they ever want to make a street fighter game ever again or work another job in the industry afterwards because that is 2000% how you kill your career
I remember playing a NeoGeo ROM I didn't know, called "Garou" and being delighted to see that clearly, all those characters I didn't know were kids/students, of others I did know and thinking that it was pretty clever and cool....
Unless Ryu decides to take in Sakura as his student then replacing Ryu is out of the question. Mortal Kombat tried to replace Liu Kang with Cassie Cage, failed. DOA tried to replace Kasumi with Honoka, failed. Soul Calibur tried to replace Sophitia and Siegfried with Sophitia's children, yeah that failed. Replacing iconic characters in fighting games with the new generation is very difficult to do. Only games that done that successfully are Tekken with Jin replacing his father Kazuya as the face of Tekken, Rock Howard replacing Terry Bogard in Fatal Fury and King of Fighters with various new protagonists from Kyo Kusanagi to Shun'ei.
And with that KOF angle, you clearly see the cracks show starting with Ash. Jin was a little lucky that he debut when the franchise was still young and that game he was in was the break out game in the franchise. If Jin came a bit later, I doubt he would be as well received. Pyhra and Patrokolos suffered from bad writing. They could have been good since they had a decent setup in SC3.
@@Hillthugsta True, and even then there was still plenty of outcry about Kazuya's absence, to the point that they brought him back from the dead with some bullshit plot contrivance in the very next game lol.
Street Fighter 3 didn't fail purely due to its cast. The original game felt slow to play and the parry system wasn't very rewarding to use, alongside the fact that it had to compete with Alpha 3, KOF 98, Tekken 3, and Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. If Third Strike was released back in 1997-1998, it would have _dominated_ the arcades.
That's like 007 without James Bond, Tomb Raider without Lara Croft, Crash Bandicoot without Crash and Cortex, Fallout without the Brotherhood Of Steel, Mortal Kombat without Scorpion and Subzero, Guilty Gear without Sol, Soul Caliber without Nightmare, Kingdom Hearts without Sora, and taking Heihachi out of Tekken was very questionable. These iconic characters are one of the factors that made the highly respected franchises they belong to what it is today and to make the argument of weeding out what makes a franchise so great because it's been there for a while is goofy, disrespectful, and highly unprofitable. They say don't fix what isn't broken, The new additions can help improve the foundation, but you just don't to get rid of the entire foundation that's been holding strong all this time simply because it's been there for a while, that's stupid.
If you were talking about Ryu and Ken specifically, you'd have a point. But what you're saying is "You can't have Mortal Kombat without Scorp, Sub, Jax, Sonya, Liu Kang, Kano, Shao Kahn, and Raiden". Like nah bruh, pick a character. If you actually play SF you know what these chars are only "iconic" because they are shoved into everything. They are marketed to you, you see them everywhere, so you go "wow, these characters are so important!" even though you'd be saying the same about T.Hawk and Fei Long if they actually got more games. World Warriors have virtually no history or personality. Decades later, after so many games, they are still just generic character archetypes.
@@TheRadioSquare Bruh, the characters you listed for Mortal Kombat are VERY iconic with their own beloved fanbases that you're advocating to be taken away? Which in turn would take a huge portion of the community away from the franchise. That would be a dumb move for the company to make. As for T. Hawk and Fei Long, I'm deeply surprised that they haven't came back yet and was surprised they didn't in 5. Now think about those specific fanbases that haven't picked up the recent games because of it. Hell, I haven't been that committed to 6 since Bison isn't in it and JP, while being a cool character, doesn't have that same flair and spark that Bison has for me. Why do you think SF4 was so successful? Respecting it's core fanbases was one of the many factors to it's success, look it up. Plus they had newcomers included in it's roster. SF4 is a prime example of improving a long lasting strong foundation, not replacing it. It's dumb.
@@CGImpala See, you keep saying iconic this, fanbase that. But I'm trying to point out why you are saying this. Many years, many games, lots of marketing. If you shove a character in front of somebody, they will naturally recognize them more and find them to be more "iconic". What's dumb is that there could be new characters, and less used chars like Sodom or Necro could've been iconic. But instead we get just more and more of the same because people just want things that they have already seen first and foremost. Those characters never become "iconic" and "must have" because they are not given chance, they're not allowed to have a slot over the mainstays that were formed early on.
@@TheRadioSquare The character also has to be interesting enough to some degree for them to be "shoved" in people's face as well. Juri is a prime example, people immediately fell in love with her character and she was VERY interesting despite her being a newcomer in 4. That gave Capcom the incentive to push her character even more to make her a mainstay. Secondly, Capcom mainly goes by what's wanted in the Japan scene more than anywhere else. There's nothing wrong with newcomers IF they are interesting enough at first glance by the audience to encourage the company to promote that character. This also goes for characters like Sodom. While he somewhat looked cool, I didn't have that much interest in his character in Alpha, there's a good chance that I'm not alone in that and it's possibly one of the factors to why we haven't seen him show up in another Street Fighter game.
@@CGImpala This argument falls apart when you look at the first iteration of Liu Kang or Johnny Cage. Literally two dudes shooting fireballs and having a forward moving kick while dressed like cheap parodies of something in a student flick. Same goes for Honda, a sumo guy who flies forward or up and down. Meanwhile a an experimental humanoid that looks cool and could morph into anything is only in one game, and Q had to be butchered into an ugly presidant man. A bunch of characters start out as generic and dull but get developed over time. Meanwhile some interesting ones never get used again because there are too many locked in slots for generic chars that must be brought back.
No franchise has freaking 8 indispensable characters. Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li probably need to stay, but the remaining 5 can afford missing a game or two.
Outside of Ryu, Chun-Li, and Guile, I think the other World Warriors could go away and it wouldn’t really matter. The time keeping them all (or at least most of them) in a Street Fighter game probably did actually matter, was back in the 1990s when they were going into Street Fighter 3, and coming off Street Fighter 2 being one of the biggest games to ever exist. But even then I’d say Cammy, Vega, Sagat, and Balrog being in a Street Fighter 3 back in ‘97 would’ve mattered more than E. Honda and maybe even Ken at that time, or even Zangief. But the further we get away from Street Fighter 2 being a mega hit, the less it matters that all the Street Fighter 2 characters are there; and we’re already 30 years out from the last arcade update of Street Fighter 2. Blanka also needs to go now anyways. They’ve totally ruined him by turning him into more and more of a joke character. Alpha walked a line. The coolest Blanka ever was though is Street Fighter 2, where he was just this weird monster character. But he’s got that joke ending in Street Fighter 2 that reveals he’s not actually a monster, and Street Fighter 4, 5, and 6 have all leaned into that joke.
Thing is tho I much like the idea of certain characters not returning but for story progression that makes a reason for them not to return, say for example Ken who has it big already being rich, having a family and has legacy already uphold for him. Even after the events of SF5 going into SF3(storywise) he has taken up Sean as his student and you thing he would replace Ken for future SF games, but that never happened. Same for Chun-li after years of her seeking justice for her father it come around in SF5 when Bison was defeated by Ryu and took up the mother role and raise her adopted daughter Li-Fen. But much like with Sean, Li-Fen didn't became playable in the next SF game. Characters like them that had a significant happy ending and would others that adapted their moves would progress to have their story going foward but much to some/many fans reception they won't let go of the past and want their characters to keep continuing on.
My thing this: Why Replace the Main World Warriors when there's already Replacements for them since 1996? Sakura is pretty much the replacement for Ryu, Karin Kanzuki replacing Ken, Rainbow Mika replacing Zangief, Yun/Yang replacing Chun-Li/Fei Long, Ed replacing Balrog/M. Bison, Laura replacing Blanka & Luke replacing Guile.
I don't think these Alpha characters was there to replace the original characters from SF2 but to add more depth to create the future of the franchise, its also the case for SF3 even though most of the cast was not there and only 4 was in. It really shows how this decision was really a good one since SF4 had an immense roster at the end of its life span and every one was almost in the game.
KOF doesn’t need to be the most popular series to be good, and this “arc energy” is literally just character development over a long period of time. It’s no different than any other game that has a story to tell.
I don't know if using King of fighters is a good idea considering that in kof 15 the story I'm getting an excuse for old characters who are dead to come back. I agree that FG stories should progress but remember this is a game not appear in the story but have him a character on the roster. Not every character needs an excuse to exist in a game and I wish more FG would just add fun characters in games instead of trying to follow a set story line because sooner or later we are just gonna have a reboot or a nonsensical explanation on how its been 50-60 years and ryu is still alive and kicking and fighting. Just have a story with the new generation and keep everyone else's play styles intact that way the old fans who love the old people are happy and we continue the story with the newbies that most people probably won't care about unless they knock it out the park.
You can still have fun characters while progressing the story. Take Honda. He’s been following the same story since SF2 excluding SF5 where he opened a sumo bathhouse. If you’re gonna keep a fun/silly character, they should be doing something a little different every time to keep them fresh. If you don’t have any new characters and you barely change the old ones, then it’s not fun.
@@chefvideogame fun is subjective and I'm not saying don't develop them. I'm saying we can have both. As long as they have a story mode that progresses the story, despite the roster it won't matter. Say if they release SF17 or something and Ryu dies giving the role to Sakura. As much as I love her I like Ryu more. So in the story he is canonically dead but he has a place on the roster just for him to fulfill a play style/ aesthetic. That way you both progress the story without having to find excuses for them to exist in the game.
@@chefvideogame often times one of the main reasons to shake up a roster is to progress the story and cut out characters who have outgrown it. I'm saying screw that. Progress the story and just keep characters in the roster and experiment with their play style freely. This would hold more customization and we can get some cool options like what if Ryu learned how to control both Nothingness and the Dark hado making him a reserved but much more dangerous fighter. Or Violent Ken , Or What if Chun learned some moves from Gen since he isn't dead and incorporated it into her kung fu. Or just refine their play styles for the next game. It's a lot of work and a dream scenario but I think that is the best of both worlds don't you think?😊
Id play honda if it wasnt for that stupid headbutt move. If i pick a sumo character i dont wanna fly around like a fairy, its so stupid i just cant play him, even though i like everything else about him
I would exclude none of the world warriors. SF3 tried this and failed. That's like removing Mario from Nintendo or Mickey from Disney. I think a lot of people would no longer like Street Fighter as the spirit of the game would have changed too much. Hell, it's already changed a lot. Zoomers and Millennials play anime fighters anyways.
Honestly it's time to retire some of them, their gameplan will never fit in modern fighters while being viable without being broken. Looking at Honda specifically
just take more risk, just don't go crazy with it. give a good story, fan service, proper game balance with make any fighting game roster work. just don't stick with your lorels for too long because you might het stale and bland
I think you can retire Blanka/Honda, but the other 6 should probably always be in. Ryu/Ken/Chun-li are some of the most well known characters in video games -period-, and Guile/Dhalsim/Zangief are the ur-examples for character archetypes so fundamental that they're in practically every fighting game.
I honestly feel like you can swap out Dhalsim for Blanka. There’s not a ton of Dhalsim archetypes in fighting games. Guile fits the zoner playstyle better and Blanka has the tricky mobility playstyle that I feel is in more games. The only other “Dhalsim” in modern games I can think of is Billy Kane from Fatal Fury/KOF. Plus, just speaking from a design standpoint, there’s always something defining about each character. Guile’s the sonic boom guy, Zangief’s the grapple guy, etc. Ken is already the fire guy, so even if you consider Dhalsim the stretchy guy, he’s another fire guy whereas Blanka’s the electric/ball guy.
wen l was a kid l didn't like street fighter because l didn't like the world warriors l thought they were lame in comparison to the tekken and kof characters but then l saw the third strike and some alpha characters and l liked almost all of them characters like sakura, makoto, sean and dudley are one of my favorites the only world warriors characters l like are cammy, chun li and weirdly balrog l just started liking balrog after he became ed's dad theyr interactions are dope balrog really likes the kid also boxing is my favorite martial art
Out of the 8 original World Warriors, which ones would you like to stay and which ones would you drop?
I would pick Ryu and Ken to stay in the Street Fighter world.
Ryu is still the face of Street Fighter history, especially Ken is like the cool best friend/rival character in the Street Fighter history.
I would drop E. Honda and Dhalsim because they should pass on their Fighting Techniques to the new generation fighters
@@electroburstx3093 Chun-li got to stay as she is known to be, "Lady of Fighting Games", and is too popular to just drop now. Blanka should stay more or less, because some of players were were overjoyed with Blanka returning and still being as funny as ever. Everyone other World Warriors must be dropped, yes.
Granted I would say like Ken for a story perspective since as mentioned he's rich has a family and is running his father's busniess which honestly would be the case after the events of SF5, you know *go home and be a family man*. Same for Guile & maybe Chun-li since they had avenge their love ones and Chun-li is now a retired mother of sorts teaching her new adopted daughter Li-fen in her own ways, heck I was expecting her to be added as this series new generation of Chun-li so that she has all of her moves and plays the same as her but with a different face to carry on her legacy.
Of course that WAS to be the case in my mind at first but much like fans reception they never let the world warriors have they're happy ending and would want them to be forced back in someway cause they're fan favorites for many people. And even the 1 and done characters whom some people wished to see return but didn't are also some fan favorites, Sean, Menat, Sodom, Rufus(I joke but their are actually fans for this guy as well).
E.Honda & Blanka can go.
Zangief COULD be replaced be Haggar for one go but he's quite iconic.
Dhalsim's archetype is too unique.
Ryu, Ken, Chun & Guile are just too popular to drop.
Delete Blanka and E.Honda forever. With all its combat sports history Brazil should have a better rep than a joke character who's a literal green monster man from the jungle. It'd be better if they'd stuck with the more serious look they gave him in his SSF2 artwork, but instead they turned him into a goofball. At this point Sean should be old enough that he could be an interesting character with Shoto/BJJ-inspired moves.
Honda's just lame. He doesn't have a character, he just is "sumo wrestler." What does he do? Sumo wrestling. What's his goal? To popularize Sumo wrestling. What are his notable character traits? He loves Sumo wrestling. His character design? Well...he's a Sumo wrestler...oh, but with kabuki face paint! His moves are lame, his look is lame, everything about this character sucks. He's not even fun to fight! Get rid of him already. What's the problem, there won't be enough Japanese characters?
Long story short: No
I would disagree than T3 Jin was a generic protagonist. He was the son of Kazuya (the antagonist of T2) and Jun, which is interesting in of itself and hadn’t really been done in a fighting game canon before. He also had a ton of character development in that game alone between his rivalry with Hwoarang, seeking revenge for his mother and his arc with Heihachi using him to get to the devil gene, and the subsequent reveal of devil Jin.
Yeah, even in T3 alone Jin was more interesting and had more going on than Ryu (the true generic protagonist) ever did.
I wouldn’t even chalk the failure of Street Fighter 3 to having almost all new characters. The biggest reason Street Fighter 3 failed is nobody bought Street Fight 3 cabinets. When Street Fighter 3 was a thing that was out, I only ever saw the cabinet once, in an airport, and the cabinet didn’t even say Street Fighter on it so you had to actually look at it for awhile to even tell what it was. I didn’t Third Strike out in the wild until like 2003/2004. And it’s not like being a 2D fighting game was a problem, because Capcom’s Marvel games were all over the place. The arcade in the mall I regularly went to at that time never got a Street Fighter 3 cabinet, however, they had every Capcom Marvel fighting game that came out when they came out from X-Men: Children of the Atom in ‘95 to Marvel vs Capcom 2 in 2000. And you’d see those Marvel Capcom games all over the place in the late ‘90s. My guess would be that Street Fighter 3 machines just cost more, so places didn’t order them as much, and the Street Fighter 3 games weren’t as flashy looking as their own Marvel games.
Kill the world warriors? That's like having God of war with no Kratos
Like Mk with no ninjas
Atreus is most likely going to replace Kratos in the next game.
@@LtJackStone then nobody will buy the game
Well how it would ya feel if his son Atreus that is now grown up and is now the leading the role for the new God of War game, he probably won't have the same tenacity as his father(in the older games mind you) but still fights like him and with different weapons that makes him stand out from Kratos!
We see that as it going on as the game keeps progressing with *The BOY* growing up.
@@LtJackStone no. They’re still going to be in the story together. Atreus doesn’t have the lore behind him to carry a game on his own, even when they inevitably age him up for the sequel. And Sony knows that. Think about it, if they wanted Atreus to be the lead, then why didn’t they make him the focus on the ragnarok DLC instead of Kratos
Not if they ever want to make a street fighter game ever again or work another job in the industry afterwards because that is 2000% how you kill your career
KOF has nice arcs yeah, but Kyo, Iori and co never seem to age lol
Don’t get your hopes up. The rumor is that Bison will be one of the season characters to be released soon
U can really tell which comments actually watched or not
I remember playing a NeoGeo ROM I didn't know, called "Garou" and being delighted to see that clearly, all those characters I didn't know were kids/students, of others I did know and thinking that it was pretty clever and cool....
Unless Ryu decides to take in Sakura as his student then replacing Ryu is out of the question. Mortal Kombat tried to replace Liu Kang with Cassie Cage, failed. DOA tried to replace Kasumi with Honoka, failed. Soul Calibur tried to replace Sophitia and Siegfried with Sophitia's children, yeah that failed. Replacing iconic characters in fighting games with the new generation is very difficult to do. Only games that done that successfully are Tekken with Jin replacing his father Kazuya as the face of Tekken, Rock Howard replacing Terry Bogard in Fatal Fury and King of Fighters with various new protagonists from Kyo Kusanagi to Shun'ei.
And with that KOF angle, you clearly see the cracks show starting with Ash. Jin was a little lucky that he debut when the franchise was still young and that game he was in was the break out game in the franchise. If Jin came a bit later, I doubt he would be as well received. Pyhra and Patrokolos suffered from bad writing. They could have been good since they had a decent setup in SC3.
Regarding KOF, pretty sure that most people still hate Shunei. KOF isn't KOF without Kyo and Iori
@@Hillthugsta True, and even then there was still plenty of outcry about Kazuya's absence, to the point that they brought him back from the dead with some bullshit plot contrivance in the very next game lol.
Street Fighter 3 didn't fail purely due to its cast. The original game felt slow to play and the parry system wasn't very rewarding to use, alongside the fact that it had to compete with Alpha 3, KOF 98, Tekken 3, and Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. If Third Strike was released back in 1997-1998, it would have _dominated_ the arcades.
Dalshim is a unique archetype he will never leave.
I can't stop laughing at that thumbnail.
That's like 007 without James Bond, Tomb Raider without Lara Croft, Crash Bandicoot without Crash and Cortex, Fallout without the Brotherhood Of Steel, Mortal Kombat without Scorpion and Subzero, Guilty Gear without Sol, Soul Caliber without Nightmare, Kingdom Hearts without Sora, and taking Heihachi out of Tekken was very questionable. These iconic characters are one of the factors that made the highly respected franchises they belong to what it is today and to make the argument of weeding out what makes a franchise so great because it's been there for a while is goofy, disrespectful, and highly unprofitable. They say don't fix what isn't broken, The new additions can help improve the foundation, but you just don't to get rid of the entire foundation that's been holding strong all this time simply because it's been there for a while, that's stupid.
If you were talking about Ryu and Ken specifically, you'd have a point. But what you're saying is "You can't have Mortal Kombat without Scorp, Sub, Jax, Sonya, Liu Kang, Kano, Shao Kahn, and Raiden". Like nah bruh, pick a character.
If you actually play SF you know what these chars are only "iconic" because they are shoved into everything. They are marketed to you, you see them everywhere, so you go "wow, these characters are so important!" even though you'd be saying the same about T.Hawk and Fei Long if they actually got more games.
World Warriors have virtually no history or personality. Decades later, after so many games, they are still just generic character archetypes.
@@TheRadioSquare Bruh, the characters you listed for Mortal Kombat are VERY iconic with their own beloved fanbases that you're advocating to be taken away? Which in turn would take a huge portion of the community away from the franchise. That would be a dumb move for the company to make. As for T. Hawk and Fei Long, I'm deeply surprised that they haven't came back yet and was surprised they didn't in 5. Now think about those specific fanbases that haven't picked up the recent games because of it. Hell, I haven't been that committed to 6 since Bison isn't in it and JP, while being a cool character, doesn't have that same flair and spark that Bison has for me. Why do you think SF4 was so successful? Respecting it's core fanbases was one of the many factors to it's success, look it up. Plus they had newcomers included in it's roster. SF4 is a prime example of improving a long lasting strong foundation, not replacing it. It's dumb.
@@CGImpala See, you keep saying iconic this, fanbase that. But I'm trying to point out why you are saying this. Many years, many games, lots of marketing. If you shove a character in front of somebody, they will naturally recognize them more and find them to be more "iconic". What's dumb is that there could be new characters, and less used chars like Sodom or Necro could've been iconic. But instead we get just more and more of the same because people just want things that they have already seen first and foremost.
Those characters never become "iconic" and "must have" because they are not given chance, they're not allowed to have a slot over the mainstays that were formed early on.
@@TheRadioSquare The character also has to be interesting enough to some degree for them to be "shoved" in people's face as well. Juri is a prime example, people immediately fell in love with her character and she was VERY interesting despite her being a newcomer in 4. That gave Capcom the incentive to push her character even more to make her a mainstay. Secondly, Capcom mainly goes by what's wanted in the Japan scene more than anywhere else. There's nothing wrong with newcomers IF they are interesting enough at first glance by the audience to encourage the company to promote that character. This also goes for characters like Sodom. While he somewhat looked cool, I didn't have that much interest in his character in Alpha, there's a good chance that I'm not alone in that and it's possibly one of the factors to why we haven't seen him show up in another Street Fighter game.
@@CGImpala This argument falls apart when you look at the first iteration of Liu Kang or Johnny Cage. Literally two dudes shooting fireballs and having a forward moving kick while dressed like cheap parodies of something in a student flick. Same goes for Honda, a sumo guy who flies forward or up and down. Meanwhile a an experimental humanoid that looks cool and could morph into anything is only in one game, and Q had to be butchered into an ugly presidant man.
A bunch of characters start out as generic and dull but get developed over time. Meanwhile some interesting ones never get used again because there are too many locked in slots for generic chars that must be brought back.
Luke, Jamie and Kim will NEVER be able to replace Ryu, Ken and Chun.
Let's be honest, they're just too iconic.
No franchise has freaking 8 indispensable characters. Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li probably need to stay, but the remaining 5 can afford missing a game or two.
Outside of Ryu, Chun-Li, and Guile, I think the other World Warriors could go away and it wouldn’t really matter. The time keeping them all (or at least most of them) in a Street Fighter game probably did actually matter, was back in the 1990s when they were going into Street Fighter 3, and coming off Street Fighter 2 being one of the biggest games to ever exist. But even then I’d say Cammy, Vega, Sagat, and Balrog being in a Street Fighter 3 back in ‘97 would’ve mattered more than E. Honda and maybe even Ken at that time, or even Zangief. But the further we get away from Street Fighter 2 being a mega hit, the less it matters that all the Street Fighter 2 characters are there; and we’re already 30 years out from the last arcade update of Street Fighter 2.
Blanka also needs to go now anyways. They’ve totally ruined him by turning him into more and more of a joke character. Alpha walked a line. The coolest Blanka ever was though is Street Fighter 2, where he was just this weird monster character. But he’s got that joke ending in Street Fighter 2 that reveals he’s not actually a monster, and Street Fighter 4, 5, and 6 have all leaned into that joke.
Thing is tho I much like the idea of certain characters not returning but for story progression that makes a reason for them not to return, say for example Ken who has it big already being rich, having a family and has legacy already uphold for him. Even after the events of SF5 going into SF3(storywise) he has taken up Sean as his student and you thing he would replace Ken for future SF games, but that never happened.
Same for Chun-li after years of her seeking justice for her father it come around in SF5 when Bison was defeated by Ryu and took up the mother role and raise her adopted daughter Li-Fen. But much like with Sean, Li-Fen didn't became playable in the next SF game.
Characters like them that had a significant happy ending and would others that adapted their moves would progress to have their story going foward but much to some/many fans reception they won't let go of the past and want their characters to keep continuing on.
The World warriors are super cool till this day. They are going nowhere
My thing this: Why Replace the Main World Warriors when there's already Replacements for them since 1996? Sakura is pretty much the replacement for Ryu, Karin Kanzuki replacing Ken, Rainbow Mika replacing Zangief, Yun/Yang replacing Chun-Li/Fei Long, Ed replacing Balrog/M. Bison, Laura replacing Blanka & Luke replacing Guile.
I don't think these Alpha characters was there to replace the original characters from SF2 but to add more depth to create the future of the franchise, its also the case for SF3 even though most of the cast was not there and only 4 was in. It really shows how this decision was really a good one since SF4 had an immense roster at the end of its life span and every one was almost in the game.
Love that the stories of the game move forward and dropping some characters along the way. Or maybe end the series?
Bruh keep this KOF arc energy in KOF. That game is clearly most definitely the most popular fighting game because it does everything you mentioned 😂
KOF doesn’t need to be the most popular series to be good, and this “arc energy” is literally just character development over a long period of time. It’s no different than any other game that has a story to tell.
I don't know if using King of fighters is a good idea considering that in kof 15 the story I'm getting an excuse for old characters who are dead to come back. I agree that FG stories should progress but remember this is a game not appear in the story but have him a character on the roster. Not every character needs an excuse to exist in a game and I wish more FG would just add fun characters in games instead of trying to follow a set story line because sooner or later we are just gonna have a reboot or a nonsensical explanation on how its been 50-60 years and ryu is still alive and kicking and fighting. Just have a story with the new generation and keep everyone else's play styles intact that way the old fans who love the old people are happy and we continue the story with the newbies that most people probably won't care about unless they knock it out the park.
You can still have fun characters while progressing the story. Take Honda. He’s been following the same story since SF2 excluding SF5 where he opened a sumo bathhouse. If you’re gonna keep a fun/silly character, they should be doing something a little different every time to keep them fresh. If you don’t have any new characters and you barely change the old ones, then it’s not fun.
@@chefvideogame fun is subjective and I'm not saying don't develop them. I'm saying we can have both. As long as they have a story mode that progresses the story, despite the roster it won't matter. Say if they release SF17 or something and Ryu dies giving the role to Sakura. As much as I love her I like Ryu more. So in the story he is canonically dead but he has a place on the roster just for him to fulfill a play style/ aesthetic. That way you both progress the story without having to find excuses for them to exist in the game.
@@chefvideogame often times one of the main reasons to shake up a roster is to progress the story and cut out characters who have outgrown it. I'm saying screw that. Progress the story and just keep characters in the roster and experiment with their play style freely. This would hold more customization and we can get some cool options like what if Ryu learned how to control both Nothingness and the Dark hado making him a reserved but much more dangerous fighter. Or Violent Ken , Or What if Chun learned some moves from Gen since he isn't dead and incorporated it into her kung fu. Or just refine their play styles for the next game. It's a lot of work and a dream scenario but I think that is the best of both worlds don't you think?😊
The thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Blanka and Honda is ez switchable imo, Blanka got more staying power of the two.. But tbh wouldn't mind taking both out for any other SF character
Id play honda if it wasnt for that stupid headbutt move. If i pick a sumo character i dont wanna fly around like a fairy, its so stupid i just cant play him, even though i like everything else about him
I would exclude none of the world warriors. SF3 tried this and failed. That's like removing Mario from Nintendo or Mickey from Disney. I think a lot of people would no longer like Street Fighter as the spirit of the game would have changed too much. Hell, it's already changed a lot. Zoomers and Millennials play anime fighters anyways.
No. Some were left out in SF5 just to get put in through DLC. Even though dhalsim and Honda are bottom 2 in usage
Luke and Jamie are comically bad designs, so I’m good with the classics
They already tried this with 3rd strike, and despite that being an amazing game it was not a commercial success like 4
Watch the actual video. They give out plenty of reasons outside of the roster change as to why SF3 was not a commercial success.
Same question for Mortal Kombat ?
Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, and Zangief should stay. they are popular and well-liked. Others can go.
The World Warriors = Street Fighter
Thumbnail a bit too much!
No and they shouldn't
Blanka and e honda should never come back
Ryu and Ken can go too
Yes they did
Honestly it's time to retire some of them, their gameplan will never fit in modern fighters while being viable without being broken.
Looking at Honda specifically
Honda and Sim got to go imo.
Goodbye Ken
Never liked you
@@pn2294 Ken is too popular. They will never replace him ever.
@@danishiqbal2963 I know. That’s why it’s annoying.
People are ok with my characters being dropped but not their characters.
I hope so, other than ryu, Ken, and bison/vega I'm sick of them
just take more risk, just don't go crazy with it. give a good story, fan service, proper game balance with make any fighting game roster work. just don't stick with your lorels for too long because you might het stale and bland
I think you can retire Blanka/Honda, but the other 6 should probably always be in.
Ryu/Ken/Chun-li are some of the most well known characters in video games -period-, and Guile/Dhalsim/Zangief are the ur-examples for character archetypes so fundamental that they're in practically every fighting game.
I honestly feel like you can swap out Dhalsim for Blanka. There’s not a ton of Dhalsim archetypes in fighting games.
Guile fits the zoner playstyle better and Blanka has the tricky mobility playstyle that I feel is in more games. The only other “Dhalsim” in modern games I can think of is Billy Kane from Fatal Fury/KOF.
Plus, just speaking from a design standpoint, there’s always something defining about each character. Guile’s the sonic boom guy, Zangief’s the grapple guy, etc. Ken is already the fire guy, so even if you consider Dhalsim the stretchy guy, he’s another fire guy whereas Blanka’s the electric/ball guy.
If you’re not going to get rid of Ryu/Ken/Chun-Li then Blanka/Honda are absolutely staying
This was a stupid topic.
Why?
lol no
No
Sf3 & 5 started without all the world warrioes and have had very poor starts
sf story still sux
wen l was a kid l didn't like street fighter because l didn't like the world warriors l thought they were lame in comparison to the tekken and kof characters but then l saw the third strike and some alpha characters and l liked almost all of them characters like sakura, makoto, sean and dudley are one of my favorites the only world warriors characters l like are cammy, chun li and weirdly balrog l just started liking balrog after he became ed's dad theyr interactions are dope balrog really likes the kid also boxing is my favorite martial art
No. They can't be replaced. Look at Street Fighter III
You say the world warriors appear in every game. But skip Street Fighter III LOL L
maybe finish the video first
Bro could not wait less than 3 minutes btw that's crazy
It felt wrong when SF5 didn't have all the world warriors at launch.