Some sort of Tekken collection with classic games would just print Bamco money. Almost hard to believe they haven't done that for PS1 and 2 era games at the very least.
I'm against fg remakes in general because of how repetitive the genre is. It's easy to just make a brand new game with a good story recap. The companies don't do that in practice, but it's easy anyways.
i loved tekken 4 didn't even know it was a hated game the costumes story and stages were really good i would like every tekken to have a remaster but with online otherwise it would get boring fast
This game marks the Last time characters had development, had a darker and more realistic atmosphere ... while also being the Greatest innovator to the franchise outside of the recent T8
The way I see it, until then there was a kind of more spontaneous mentality in the dev team, that were willing to expand the franchise and the genre by using all sorts of ideas and making the best use of all new technology. Everything was new and "in progress" in the genre, there were no guidelines, no standards, no set notions... It was a time of a more free thinking style in game making. So a genuinely natural idea was making 3d stages with obstacles, irregular terrain, etc. That actually started earlier in Virtua Fighter 3, and T4 took it further. But after the bad reception to the stages, the devs (and VF devs too) started working with a clearly biased direction to favor the competitive side of the game and disregard anything that can get in the way. Though that decision also means blocking the technical evolution of the game (thinking outside of the pure competitive bubble) as the franchise is sentenced to get nothing but the same clean and smooth floor stages that existed since 94 (or 93 in VF1). My problem with that direction is that the idea was totally abandoned just for the sake of the competitive quality of the game... and that doesn't sound reasonable at all when it's known that the competitive community can limit stage usage. Even Street Fighter 2 tournaments have that limitation. So TK (and VF) could perfectly have worked this way instead: some clean stages for competition, and some elaborate and detailed and irregular 3d stages meant for messing around and arcade mode. That way the devs can flex their technical skills, doing things that couldn't exist before.
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
I think 2 and 3 legit, track for track are better but T4 did have some great tracks, lab, underground, jungle, airport, rooftop. I will say t4 ost is better than 6,7,and 8 no doubt. TTT2 is underrated imo. HUGE ost, good variety.
I definitely think Tekken 4 would have benefited from a Dark Ressurection style update. Take a lot of the criticisms people had with T4 Vanilla and improve it. Had that happened I think we would have seen a very different road map for later games. TBH, I hate what Tekken has become now and that's just my views. I understand people enjoy Tekken 8, but it's not really the game that I loved anymore. Tekken 7 for all it's faults was still really good and provided many varied playstyles. Ah well....VF6 when??
The thing about T4 is that it's my favorite Tekken to think about, but one of my least favorite to play. I love the atmosphere, the music, the stories, the stages that feel like real-ass places instead of arenas. But then I play it for a couple of rounds and wish I was playing 3, 5, 6, Tag 2 or 8 instead. A remake would be a waste of time, but I would like to see its ideas revisited. Especially the stage design, and dedication to theme and story.
This is my take about Tekken 4, As we know Tekken 4 has restricted juggling system which makes it a poking game unlike other past installment, I think Tekken 4 was supposedly made for casual player who didn't know how to do combos and just want fast pace fighting game. This is is the first Tekken with wall splat mechanic which Bamco experimented during development and judging by the broken wall splat bug they can't even patch the game unlike Tekken 5 that got patch into Tekken 5 DR, other problems such as unbreakable throws, Jin's just frame unblockable and Steve's 8 frame mid jab, poor movements are all part of the reason pros stick with Tekken Tag 1 I'm biased with this one because Tekken 4 is my first game when my parent bought me Ps2 slim. Other reason such as the soundtrack, stories, the enormous stage are what made Tekken 4 a good tekken game.
Old games were looking for ideas and shaping themselves and making history. Everything was "in the making" and without standards or rules. And later games (basically since T5 onwards) work in a direction of setting one base and stay constantly refining. That is an important part for the games, because the competitive attribute of the game is expected to be more solid in sequels. Also the community gets older and more demanding. But the problem to me is the disregard about new ideas and experimentation. And that is also slowly disappearing in other games and outside fgs.
My favourite chapter of the franchise after 8. So much atmosphere, so much fun. Now a days a game like this would need balancement, but only that, because otherwise I dare to say they don't make games like they used to: fun, atmospheric, original in their design. The soundtrack is amazing! Everything speaks to me still now when I see some gameplay footage of that title.
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
2:40 maybe if Tekken 4 didnt turn off backdash cancelling when both players are 3 characters away, a lot of the problems the game ended up having couldve been avoided
Tekken 4 was the first tekken I played more then a few times and I loved it a lot. It was very different - but I like it when sequels strike the balance between being familiar but daring to try something new
emphatically YES…..the majority of the "haters" of Tekken 4 weren't even BORN to have a valid opinion moreover 99% of the players in 2001 were in there early teens (i was 15) we were all playing the game for FUN (crazy concept i know) most of us were not privy to the "broken" things about the game on a competitive level - oldest footage of T4 tournaments here on youtube was uploaded in 2007 Tekken 4 should have imo been the evolution of the franchise gameplay wise but due to its commercial failure we have been playing versions Tekken 5 from 2004- current day 2024 Tekken 8
Game journos always give the most random reviews to fighting games. Most of the time it just comes off like they haven't even played the game. Like how can you call Tekken 4 over-familiar?
And their influence (that was more solid and unquestionable at that early times) can only give trouble to the companies. Bad feedback can give concerning and confusing signals to the devs, like in this case of T4. Players thought the opposite.
@@carlosaugusto9821 Harada said that players also did plenty of complaining, but it's still sad that his conclusion was "we should never make something like this" and then went back to just doing more of the same. Like I LOVE Tekken, it's my fav fg franchise, but it would be cool to see more experimentation from time to time. Instead we just got Soul meter from SC6 in Tekken 8.
Tekken 4 is my pick for best Tekken,i think it’s sad we’re just playing Tekken 5 ever since.And yes Tekken 8 is just another version of Tekken 5 i said what i said.
The way I see it, until then there was a kind of more spontaneous mentality in the dev team, that were willing to expand the franchise and the genre by using all sorts of ideas and making the best use of all new technology. Everything was new and "in progress" in the genre, there were no guidelines, no standards, no set notions... It was a time of a more free thinking style in game making. So a genuinely natural idea was making 3d stages with obstacles, irregular terrain, etc. That actually started earlier in Virtua Fighter 3, and T4 took it further. But after the bad reception to the stages, the devs (and VF devs too) started working with a clearly biased direction to favor the competitive side of the game and disregard anything that can get in the way. Though that decision also means blocking the technical evolution of the game (thinking outside of the pure competitive bubble) as the franchise is sentenced to get nothing but the same clean and smooth floor stages that existed since 94 (or 93 in VF1). My problem with that direction is that the idea was totally abandoned just for the sake of the competitive quality of the game... and that doesn't sound reasonable at all when it's known that the competitive community can limit stage usage. Even Street Fighter 2 tournaments have that limitation. So TK (and VF) could perfectly have worked this way instead: some clean stages for competition, and some elaborate and detailed and irregular 3d stages meant for messing around and arcade mode. That way the devs can flex their technical skills, doing things that couldn't exist before.
The game was old before its console release and "journalists" at the time were checking out the opinions in the arcades without really understanding the reason behind certain takes. If you go and read most reviews, they are blatantly false or incredibly uneducated although the game was actually flawed. It was like literally: "We know the community doesn't like it, we know that somehow the game is bad but we don't know why" 8/10
I grew up playing Tekken 1-3 and Tag. I love. Them. And I love Tekken 4. I love the roster, the stories for each character, the soundtrack, but most of all, the stages. I remember my friends and I would set up VS matches just to explore every inch of the stages.
Yes. Tekken 4 was easily the best Tekken game up to that point when it came out, and still arguably one of the best Tekken games today. As good as games like Tekken 5 and Tekken 8 are, I do hope we get another game like Tekken 4 someday.
Tekken 5 DR is just a feature-complete Tekken 4; which is what it needed to be; and the progression served the purpose well. I think it's really just that Jin lost his iconic T3 moveset that has people 'meh' about it, and T5 fixed that, somewhat, with Devil Jin's inclusion.
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
In hindsight, putting a movement limiter in the game with huge, detailed stages doesnt seem like the best idea, since now the players cant actually explore any of the stages
Tekken 4 was just unique. it was the last serious Tekken. I loved the dark themed athmosphere of the game. the story was good and mystic, announcer voice, opening, ending, everything felt so authentic. it had few characters but less is more sometimes. and it had real life stages, realistic elements. i know majority dont like it, but i liked the gameplay too, the healthbars were stronger, gameplay was balanced, not much juggles and too fast like modern tekkens. no absurd customizations, weapons etc either. it was almost the perfect Tekken for me. the only things i dont like about Tekken 4, lack of Jack robot (would be better than Combot), the switched throw system, no backjumps and movement before fight start. if it was like other tekkens it would have been totally perfect. I also liked 5 and 6, their gameplays were good. but didnt like their stories and how they turned some old characters into jokes
it was bold perhaps to bold but to be honest I didn't like alot of the changes in gameplay or story then and I still don't now........I know I prefer tag 1 gameplay way more over it but it did try to be different which I can respect sometimes that works sometimes it doesn't...the tone of the game is cool and the game feels relatively intimate not to bloated(no guest characters) and it keeps the projectiles and all the extra stuff to a minimum reminds me a bit of 2 but 4 had more to work with due to the advances in technology over that time.....4 at least had force mode so there is that I still much rather have a remake of 2 prefer that story and roster more
Competitively, the complaints with Tekken 4 are still valid and reasonable. But Tekken 4 and Tekken Tag 1 have always been my favorite games in the series, to this day.
Gameplay of fhis game was innovative but in a bad way. But it's still my favorite tekken game. A remake of this game with it's amazing sound design, artstyle, dark atmosphere, interactive stages and serious plotline remained with improvement in gameplay, would crash all modern tekken games like 8th and 7th games. They wouldn't stand a chance.
While I agree that Tekken 4 was the highpoint when it came to characters motivation in the Tekken series , it's really not anything worth praising in the grand scheme of things. For instance, most of Tekken 4's prolouges have the problem of "Tell, but DON'T Show", meaning we don't get to see Paul's regression from his glory days, or Laws depression after failing his restaurant business which he worked really hard to get started. It's all explained to us through a few minute narration. It's even worse for the endings, since those range from at best five minutes, and at WORST about ONE minute, which isn't much story to tell... Yeah, Tekken 4 had a decent story for it's time, but that's not saying much when most fighting games at the time, BARELY did anything with it's story, if at all ( Street Fighter, and Virtua Fighter). And T4's story is laughable when compared to games in other genres that came out either around the same time as T4 or EVEN before it, with these games telling rich narratives with complex themes and TONS of character development like MGS 1-2 ,and Final Fantasy 9. And it gets even worse for other Tekken games for some of these characters, For example, up into this point in the Tekken series with 7, Kazuya is STILL a one dimensional villain who will kill anyone who is an obstacle to achieve his goal of world domination , just see Kazuya's Tekken 5 ending where he kills his own grandfather, and laughs like an absolute madman after doing it.That's it, that's his ENTIRE character, riveting stuff... It gets even worse with side characters, who either regress ( like Paul becoming an absolute moron who has a goofy catch phrase of being the "toughest in the unniverse") or being a character that never develops at all ( Bryan is still a one- dimensional villain who like to destroy things because he can) . It's dumb. And I know someone going to criticize me for comparing T4 to games in other genres including an RPG, but I don't like that fighting game community will hail Tekken 4 as the standard for fighting game story telling as if it rivals the best in other genres when it clearly doesn't, nor is it the best in its own genre, since both developers NRS, and Arc System Works, have both told more engaging narratives with TONS of character development in their fighting games in recent years. I'm not angry just offering my two cents on the matter, since no one never seems to bring this up. Finally, I really like the direction T8 is took, since it seems to be going in a more anime direction, with Jin dong cart wheels, and hit sparks flying everywhere with every attack, it seems like Jin really took a page from Lars here, and I'm all for it, some people will criticize this for not being realistic, but do I REALLY need to reminding that this is the same series, where you can play as a bear, a boxing kangaroo, a gigantic robot, a cyborg, and a FREAKING magical piece of wood that comes to life? Do I really NEED TO REMIND YOU that the main focus is on super natural beings known as devils? In regards to game play, I was never the biggest fan of the game play, which is not surprising to me, since despite many FGC content creators trying to define what objectively makes a good fighting game, the reality is that the answer to that question is going to change depending on WHO you ask, EVEN among pro players. For instance, they are are pro players that only like fighting games that are primarily footsie based, so games like Street Fighter and KOF are games that they are most likely going to love and hate airdashers like BBCF, GGXRD, and MBTL. Personally, I prefer airdashers over purely footsie based ones, since the extra movement gives you more ways to approach the opponent during offense and neutral, but I'm aware it's an opinion that definitely isn't shared by everyone. Though this fact isn't surprising to me, since fighting games are still art and art IS subjective, and what is good or bad is going to VARY from person to person. And one of the things I value in the fighting game is unique characters that set them selves apart from each other, whether that be in terms of movement speed, defense, and ESPECIALLY game plan and unique system mechanics ONLY available to that character. It's one of the main reasons that I didn't like DragonBallFighterZ, since when that game launched the game felt very homongenized, and in that way didn't feel like an Arc System works Title at all, especially when you compare DBFZ to Arc System Work's earlier titles like GGXRD and BBCF where the characters were JUST AS complicated as the universal system mechanics themselves. And it's not just a problem I have with Arc either, since even more newer titles from other developers suffer from this issue I have with Homogenization, with games like the new Melty Blood, and even Tekken 7 suffering from this exact same problem ( infamous FGC Content creator Aris himself ADMITS that Tekken 7 is homongenized). Currently, games like BBCF, GGXRD, and SC6 are my favorite fighting games since all three have what I'm looking for ( to various degrees of course), with BBCF being my number one, since that currently is the most unique fighting game currently out on the market IMO. I say all of this because if your love for the game is not there your chances of wining are MUCH lower, and those people will always be behind the curve of those who ACTUALLY enjoy the game. (High prize pool or not). So as someone who doesn't particularly care for footsie based fighting games in the first place ( like KOF, Street Fighter, DNF DUEL, GBFVS) the recent million dollar announcement for SF 6 doesn't do much for me in terms of motivating me to play the game. The only positive I see is that other fighting game developers may feel the need to have prize pools, to match their competitors to help keep interest in their games for casuals outside a particular community. That being said, I'm happy for Street Fighter fans and footsie based fans though. Overall, the idea of giving new characters, some individuality with the heat mechanic will hopefully make T8 more interesting for me, will see. I think part of the reason I enjoy watching videos like these despite my lack of interest in the game play is the sure production Tekken content creators put into their work, with Blasted Salami in particular being the best at it by far. Seriously, the amount of editing on display in some of these videos is INSANE, and I can only imagine how long it was to write the script on some of these videos. Keep up the good work.
This is heavy copium. The new concepts were a novelty and the popularity at the time spoke for it. Competitively, the community essentially died and reverted to TTT before Namco abandoned nearly everything new about the game except walls and some moves. People can fan girl over it now, but that's still because of the casual novelty and not the terrible imbalance.
How do you feel about Tekken 4? Would you want a remaster or maybe even a remake for modern platforms?
Some sort of Tekken collection with classic games would just print Bamco money. Almost hard to believe they haven't done that for PS1 and 2 era games at the very least.
A remaster would be great actually
I'm against fg remakes in general because of how repetitive the genre is. It's easy to just make a brand new game with a good story recap. The companies don't do that in practice, but it's easy anyways.
i loved tekken 4 didn't even know it was a hated game the costumes story and stages were really good i would like every tekken to have a remaster but with online otherwise it would get boring fast
Idk but this pepper beef is too damn SPICY! 😡
This game marks the Last time characters had development, had a darker and more realistic atmosphere ... while also being the Greatest innovator to the franchise outside of the recent T8
Facts I just wish the gameplay was better
@@YoungSigmaGrindset I wish the story and characters were better.
The way I see it, until then there was a kind of more spontaneous mentality in the dev team, that were willing to expand the franchise and the genre by using all sorts of ideas and making the best use of all new technology.
Everything was new and "in progress" in the genre, there were no guidelines, no standards, no set notions... It was a time of a more free thinking style in game making. So a genuinely natural idea was making 3d stages with obstacles, irregular terrain, etc. That actually started earlier in Virtua Fighter 3, and T4 took it further.
But after the bad reception to the stages, the devs (and VF devs too) started working with a clearly biased direction to favor the competitive side of the game and disregard anything that can get in the way. Though that decision also means blocking the technical evolution of the game (thinking outside of the pure competitive bubble) as the franchise is sentenced to get nothing but the same clean and smooth floor stages that existed since 94 (or 93 in VF1).
My problem with that direction is that the idea was totally abandoned just for the sake of the competitive quality of the game... and that doesn't sound reasonable at all when it's known that the competitive community can limit stage usage. Even Street Fighter 2 tournaments have that limitation.
So TK (and VF) could perfectly have worked this way instead: some clean stages for competition, and some elaborate and detailed and irregular 3d stages meant for messing around and arcade mode. That way the devs can flex their technical skills, doing things that couldn't exist before.
Greatness comes in 4’s
@@yuncelluz8709Both T4 and T8 are unplayable trash to my mind.
Tekken 4 has the best OST out of any tekken title imo
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
I think 2 and 3 legit, track for track are better but T4 did have some great tracks, lab, underground, jungle, airport, rooftop.
I will say t4 ost is better than 6,7,and 8 no doubt.
TTT2 is underrated imo. HUGE ost, good variety.
Ts 3 and 5 eat it for lunch. So does 7, honestly.
That would be T3, not T4
nah tekken 2 and 3 for me
I definitely think Tekken 4 would have benefited from a Dark Ressurection style update. Take a lot of the criticisms people had with T4 Vanilla and improve it. Had that happened I think we would have seen a very different road map for later games.
TBH, I hate what Tekken has become now and that's just my views. I understand people enjoy Tekken 8, but it's not really the game that I loved anymore. Tekken 7 for all it's faults was still really good and provided many varied playstyles. Ah well....VF6 when??
Fun Fact: Harada confirmed there WAS going to be a Dark Ressurrection style update for Tekken 4 on the PC, but was unfortunately cancelled.
It got one, it was called Tekken 5
Fun Fact: Harada confirmed there WAS going to be a Dark Ressurrection style update for Tekken 4 on the PC, but was unfortunately cancelled.
PC and not Ps2???
@@MrScorpion360x yep, only a brand new update exclusive to the PC.
The thing about T4 is that it's my favorite Tekken to think about, but one of my least favorite to play.
I love the atmosphere, the music, the stories, the stages that feel like real-ass places instead of arenas. But then I play it for a couple of rounds and wish I was playing 3, 5, 6, Tag 2 or 8 instead.
A remake would be a waste of time, but I would like to see its ideas revisited. Especially the stage design, and dedication to theme and story.
Just remove the backdash limiter from T4
Yeah. No remake but a revisit
@@tyranmcgrathmnkklkl at least port it to PC so we can mod it
This is my take about Tekken 4,
As we know Tekken 4 has restricted juggling system which makes it a poking game unlike other past installment, I think Tekken 4 was supposedly made for casual player who didn't know how to do combos and just want fast pace fighting game.
This is is the first Tekken with wall splat mechanic which Bamco experimented during development and judging by the broken wall splat bug they can't even patch the game unlike Tekken 5 that got patch into Tekken 5 DR, other problems such as unbreakable throws, Jin's just frame unblockable and Steve's 8 frame mid jab, poor movements are all part of the reason pros stick with Tekken Tag 1
I'm biased with this one because Tekken 4 is my first game when my parent bought me Ps2 slim. Other reason such as the soundtrack, stories, the enormous stage are what made Tekken 4 a good tekken game.
Old games were looking for ideas and shaping themselves and making history. Everything was "in the making" and without standards or rules.
And later games (basically since T5 onwards) work in a direction of setting one base and stay constantly refining.
That is an important part for the games, because the competitive attribute of the game is expected to be more solid in sequels. Also the community gets older and more demanding. But the problem to me is the disregard about new ideas and experimentation. And that is also slowly disappearing in other games and outside fgs.
I prefer other installments myself, but I can still see the legacy Tekken 4 has left behind. Its influence cannot be ignored.🙂
My favourite chapter of the franchise after 8. So much atmosphere, so much fun. Now a days a game like this would need balancement, but only that, because otherwise I dare to say they don't make games like they used to: fun, atmospheric, original in their design. The soundtrack is amazing!
Everything speaks to me still now when I see some gameplay footage of that title.
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
@@DavidLucian totally agree man
2:40 maybe if Tekken 4 didnt turn off backdash cancelling when both players are 3 characters away, a lot of the problems the game ended up having couldve been avoided
Tekken 4 was the first tekken I played more then a few times and I loved it a lot. It was very different - but I like it when sequels strike the balance between being familiar but daring to try something new
emphatically YES…..the majority of the "haters" of Tekken 4 weren't even BORN to have a valid opinion
moreover 99% of the players in 2001 were in there early teens (i was 15) we were all playing the game for FUN (crazy concept i know)
most of us were not privy to the "broken" things about the game on a competitive level - oldest footage of T4 tournaments here on youtube was uploaded in 2007
Tekken 4 should have imo been the evolution of the franchise gameplay wise but due to its commercial failure we have been playing versions Tekken 5 from 2004- current day 2024 Tekken 8
Game journos always give the most random reviews to fighting games. Most of the time it just comes off like they haven't even played the game. Like how can you call Tekken 4 over-familiar?
And their influence (that was more solid and unquestionable at that early times) can only give trouble to the companies. Bad feedback can give concerning and confusing signals to the devs, like in this case of T4. Players thought the opposite.
@@carlosaugusto9821 Harada said that players also did plenty of complaining, but it's still sad that his conclusion was "we should never make something like this" and then went back to just doing more of the same. Like I LOVE Tekken, it's my fav fg franchise, but it would be cool to see more experimentation from time to time. Instead we just got Soul meter from SC6 in Tekken 8.
Tekken 4 is my pick for best Tekken,i think it’s sad we’re just playing Tekken 5 ever since.And yes Tekken 8 is just another version of Tekken 5 i said what i said.
Tekken 4 was the last time the story was great objectively speaking
The way I see it, until then there was a kind of more spontaneous mentality in the dev team, that were willing to expand the franchise and the genre by using all sorts of ideas and making the best use of all new technology.
Everything was new and "in progress" in the genre, there were no guidelines, no standards, no set notions... It was a time of a more free thinking style in game making. So a genuinely natural idea was making 3d stages with obstacles, irregular terrain, etc. That actually started earlier in Virtua Fighter 3, and T4 took it further.
But after the bad reception to the stages, the devs (and VF devs too) started working with a clearly biased direction to favor the competitive side of the game and disregard anything that can get in the way. Though that decision also means blocking the technical evolution of the game (thinking outside of the pure competitive bubble) as the franchise is sentenced to get nothing but the same clean and smooth floor stages that existed since 94 (or 93 in VF1).
My problem with that direction is that the idea was totally abandoned just for the sake of the competitive quality of the game... and that doesn't sound reasonable at all when it's known that the competitive community can limit stage usage. Even Street Fighter 2 tournaments have that limitation.
So TK (and VF) could perfectly have worked this way instead: some clean stages for competition, and some elaborate and detailed and irregular 3d stages meant for messing around and arcade mode. That way the devs can flex their technical skills, doing things that couldn't exist before.
loved tekken 4 when it dropped. especially force mode. my only complaint when i was a kid was there was no Anna Baek Bruce and Jun lol
The game was old before its console release and "journalists" at the time were checking out the opinions in the arcades without really understanding the reason behind certain takes. If you go and read most reviews, they are blatantly false or incredibly uneducated although the game was actually flawed. It was like literally: "We know the community doesn't like it, we know that somehow the game is bad but we don't know why" 8/10
I grew up playing Tekken 1-3 and Tag. I love. Them. And I love Tekken 4. I love the roster, the stories for each character, the soundtrack, but most of all, the stages. I remember my friends and I would set up VS matches just to explore every inch of the stages.
Yes. Tekken 4 was easily the best Tekken game up to that point when it came out, and still arguably one of the best Tekken games today. As good as games like Tekken 5 and Tekken 8 are, I do hope we get another game like Tekken 4 someday.
Tekken 5 DR is just a feature-complete Tekken 4; which is what it needed to be; and the progression served the purpose well.
I think it's really just that Jin lost his iconic T3 moveset that has people 'meh' about it, and T5 fixed that, somewhat, with Devil Jin's inclusion.
Tekken 4 and 5 are my favourite Tekken games of the Franchise. ☯️ By the way Tekken 4 had the best story and atmosphere no doubt. Also my favourite Tekken Intros of the series are 4 and 5. Especially Tekken 4, developers did a lot of things incredibly right, most storylines were incredibly cool and the atmosphere and seriousness was just on a another level. I don't think most would disagree that Tekken 4 had a great"everything-except-the-fighting" to it. Great and Epic soundtracks, unique character designs, good individual stories, and an interesting main Mishima arc revival. The thing is that it's still a fighting game and no matter how great everything else is, if the fighting bit is flawed it'll overshadow the positives. Tekken 4 is sourly the most unique and underrated (mostly because of the choices that hindered the competitive scene) but it is my favorite Tekken to date, because of the very seriousness Vibes of the Story aspects perspective. The seriousness atmosphere of Tekken 4 it's on another level in my opinion.The soundtrack is what gets me the most next to the game's atmosphere. With soundtracks like: Fetus(Prologue), Authentic Sky, Unihabited(Mall Area) Didgerhythm(Jungle Area) Touch and Go(Airport Area) and Kitsch(Beach Area) and The Inner Shrine(Hon-Maru Temple) and others soundtracks, For me Tekken 4 remains even in these days the most Unique Tekken game of the series. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️
I wish we could’ve gotten Tekken 5 with Tekken 4’s story atmosphere
We can all agree on Death by Degree's, but like the dude said, not a bad view.
My favorite entry hands down.
Screw G4, EDGE, and, GAMENOW
In hindsight, putting a movement limiter in the game with huge, detailed stages doesnt seem like the best idea, since now the players cant actually explore any of the stages
Tekken 4 was just unique. it was the last serious Tekken. I loved the dark themed athmosphere of the game. the story was good and mystic, announcer voice, opening, ending, everything felt so authentic. it had few characters but less is more sometimes. and it had real life stages, realistic elements. i know majority dont like it, but i liked the gameplay too, the healthbars were stronger, gameplay was balanced, not much juggles and too fast like modern tekkens. no absurd customizations, weapons etc either. it was almost the perfect Tekken for me. the only things i dont like about Tekken 4, lack of Jack robot (would be better than Combot), the switched throw system, no backjumps and movement before fight start. if it was like other tekkens it would have been totally perfect. I also liked 5 and 6, their gameplays were good. but didnt like their stories and how they turned some old characters into jokes
Tekken 4 is one of my favourites after 3 and 5. Is on my top tier
Tekken 4 is what got me i to Tekken it was just charming especially the musin i mean who dislike authentic sky all tracks are legendary ❤❤
Tekken 4 was soooo good. The only thing bad about it was balancing. If it came out today, that could've been fixed.
it was bold perhaps to bold but to be honest I didn't like alot of the changes in gameplay or story then and I still don't now........I know I prefer tag 1 gameplay way more over it but it did try to be different which I can respect sometimes that works sometimes it doesn't...the tone of the game is cool and the game feels relatively intimate not to bloated(no guest characters) and it keeps the projectiles and all the extra stuff to a minimum reminds me a bit of 2 but 4 had more to work with due to the advances in technology over that time.....4 at least had force mode so there is that I still much rather have a remake of 2 prefer that story and roster more
Competitively, the complaints with Tekken 4 are still valid and reasonable. But Tekken 4 and Tekken Tag 1 have always been my favorite games in the series, to this day.
Gameplay of fhis game was innovative but in a bad way. But it's still my favorite tekken game. A remake of this game with it's amazing sound design, artstyle, dark atmosphere, interactive stages and serious plotline remained with improvement in gameplay, would crash all modern tekken games like 8th and 7th games. They wouldn't stand a chance.
4:52 Can somebody tell me the website that lists the stages?
2:41 we could got a Tekken 4 dark resurrection like tekken 5 did. Could had more characters and stages😢
I loved it as a kid.
Everything went to shit afterwards
Not gameplaywise.
Tekken 4 was Art.
While I agree that Tekken 4 was the highpoint when it came to characters motivation in the Tekken series , it's really not anything worth praising in the grand scheme of things. For instance, most of Tekken 4's prolouges have the problem of "Tell, but DON'T Show", meaning we don't get to see Paul's regression from his glory days, or Laws depression after failing his restaurant business which he worked really hard to get started. It's all explained to us through a few minute narration. It's even worse for the endings, since those range from at best five minutes, and at WORST about ONE minute, which isn't much story to tell... Yeah, Tekken 4 had a decent story for it's time, but that's not saying much when most fighting games at the time, BARELY did anything with it's story, if at all ( Street Fighter, and Virtua Fighter). And T4's story is laughable when compared to games in other genres that came out either around the same time as T4 or EVEN before it, with these games telling rich narratives with complex themes and TONS of character development like MGS 1-2 ,and Final Fantasy 9.
And it gets even worse for other Tekken games for some of these characters, For example, up into this point in the Tekken series with 7, Kazuya is STILL a one dimensional villain who will kill anyone who is an obstacle to achieve his goal of world domination , just see Kazuya's Tekken 5 ending where he kills his own grandfather, and laughs like an absolute madman after doing it.That's it, that's his ENTIRE character, riveting stuff... It gets even worse with side characters, who either regress ( like Paul becoming an absolute moron who has a goofy catch phrase of being the "toughest in the unniverse") or being a character that never develops at all ( Bryan is still a one- dimensional villain who like to destroy things because he can) . It's dumb. And I know someone going to criticize me for comparing T4 to games in other genres including an RPG, but I don't like that fighting game community will hail Tekken 4 as the standard for fighting game story telling as if it rivals the best in other genres when it clearly doesn't, nor is it the best in its own genre, since both developers NRS, and Arc System Works, have both told more engaging narratives with TONS of character development in their fighting games in recent years. I'm not angry just offering my two cents on the matter, since no one never seems to bring this up.
Finally, I really like the direction T8 is took, since it seems to be going in a more anime direction, with Jin dong cart wheels, and hit sparks flying everywhere with every attack, it seems like Jin really took a page from Lars here, and I'm all for it, some people will criticize this for not being realistic, but do I REALLY need to reminding that this is the same series, where you can play as a bear, a boxing kangaroo, a gigantic robot, a cyborg, and a FREAKING magical piece of wood that comes to life? Do I really NEED TO REMIND YOU that the main focus is on super natural beings known as devils?
In regards to game play, I was never the biggest fan of the game play, which is not surprising to me, since despite many FGC content creators trying to define what objectively makes a good fighting game, the reality is that the answer to that question is going to change depending on WHO you ask, EVEN among pro players. For instance, they are are pro players that only like fighting games that are primarily footsie based, so games like Street Fighter and KOF are games that they are most likely going to love and hate airdashers like BBCF, GGXRD, and MBTL. Personally, I prefer airdashers over purely footsie based ones, since the extra movement gives you more ways to approach the opponent during offense and neutral, but I'm aware it's an opinion that definitely isn't shared by everyone. Though this fact isn't surprising to me, since fighting games are still art and art IS subjective, and what is good or bad is going to VARY from person to person.
And one of the things I value in the fighting game is unique characters that set them selves apart from each other, whether that be in terms of movement speed, defense, and ESPECIALLY game plan and unique system mechanics ONLY available to that character. It's one of the main reasons that I didn't like DragonBallFighterZ, since when that game launched the game felt very homongenized, and in that way didn't feel like an Arc System works Title at all, especially when you compare DBFZ to Arc System Work's earlier titles like GGXRD and BBCF where the characters were JUST AS complicated as the universal system mechanics themselves. And it's not just a problem I have with Arc either, since even more newer titles from other developers suffer from this issue I have with Homogenization, with games like the new Melty Blood, and even Tekken 7 suffering from this exact same problem ( infamous FGC Content creator Aris himself ADMITS that Tekken 7 is homongenized). Currently, games like BBCF, GGXRD, and SC6 are my favorite fighting games since all three have what I'm looking for ( to various degrees of course), with BBCF being my number one, since that currently is the most unique fighting game currently out on the market IMO.
I say all of this because if your love for the game is not there your chances of wining are MUCH lower, and those people will always be behind the curve of those who ACTUALLY enjoy the game. (High prize pool or not). So as someone who doesn't particularly care for footsie based fighting games in the first place ( like KOF, Street Fighter, DNF DUEL, GBFVS) the recent million dollar announcement for SF 6 doesn't do much for me in terms of motivating me to play the game. The only positive I see is that other fighting game developers may feel the need to have prize pools, to match their competitors to help keep interest in their games for casuals outside a particular community. That being said, I'm happy for Street Fighter fans and footsie based fans though. Overall, the idea of giving new characters, some individuality with the heat mechanic will hopefully make T8 more interesting for me, will see.
I think part of the reason I enjoy watching videos like these despite my lack of interest in the game play is the sure production Tekken content creators put into their work, with Blasted Salami in particular being the best at it by far. Seriously, the amount of editing on display in some of these videos is INSANE, and I can only imagine how long it was to write the script on some of these videos. Keep up the good work.
The darkest Tekken of all the franchise.
Nordic chad face: "YES"
Tekken fans are buggin
T3 had the best announcer!
I was too young to realize, how stupid the fans were back then.
Tekken 4 was satisfying when you got good at it though
bring back 3d stages!
"OLD TEKKEN GOOD, NEW TEKKEN BAD"
Me no like oooga booga
T5 is the best T3 sequel and T6 is the best Tekken.
tekken 4 almost killed tekken for me
Tekken 4 was the best Tekken
This is heavy copium. The new concepts were a novelty and the popularity at the time spoke for it. Competitively, the community essentially died and reverted to TTT before Namco abandoned nearly everything new about the game except walls and some moves.
People can fan girl over it now, but that's still because of the casual novelty and not the terrible imbalance.
Tekken 4 sucked. The only things it did right were the story and the atmosphere. Everything else was trash. I hated the game, but I loved the story.