As an artist I've always excelled in rendering organic objects, but, my skills with mechanical objects has languished. I picked up your How To Draw book and have been watching all your videos. Thank you for sharing your gift with us. It is making me a better artist.
think like a kid again ... draw a flat plane picture ... (front view) ... then do it again top down ... then again on the left side of the model .. all with the front pointed at the front view ... then on a 45 from front light trace all the points of the front view into the 4th quadrant ... do the same with the top and bottom .. then pay attention to what aligns where and draw the lines that belong ... and you have your 3d perspective drawing perfect EVERY time because each drawing is related to each other ... directly by position and angle
Sir, it is a great privilege to watch your videos, you are the best lecturer on this subject, and one of top 3 concept designers in past 25 years in my opinion! Thank you very much on sharing with us your knowledge for free, and spending your free time on making video tutorials! Buying your books is a least little thing I can do to try to repay you for that! I've already ordered "How to draw" and "How to render", I am only sorry that my friend who is working in States, will come back from USA before "How to design" will come out, and that he will not be able to bring it to me here in Serbia, but at least I will final have these 2 books! And again big THANK YOU for your teaching and your inspiring work :)
Getting back to illustration for storyboarding purposes, and I gotta say I'm not even all the way through your tutorial and I'm feeling very informed and confident. Thank you very much, and I look forward to getting a copy of your book when I can. Cheers
Yes. Ok, now I get it! I'm ridiculously late to comment on this, but I feel like I have to. So I'm 35 years old and have been drawing for as long as I've been able to hold a pen. I'm fairly good at perspective but I've always just eyeballed it. This last week, I decided for some reason that I should learn perspective the proper way (I also love math so that's probably a contributing factor). I've watched a number of videos, and even if they have helped me, I haven't really been able to grasp it. I, at some point, actually felt that it effected my art negatively, because I overthought it. But this video got the coin to drop! It's ironic, because all the videos I've watched referred to your book! It's not that the videos I've watched has been bad, sometimes you just need a specific explanation! I work as a pedagogic resource for high school and I see this all the time. I help a student in math, for example, and they'll just: "Oh! Now I GET IT!", and all I've done is explained it differently from what they've heard before. To me, you explained it slightly different and that's what made me finally GET IT! Thank you!
pre-ordered mine just arrived at my moms house in canada might be a while before I get it but from what I've read i am certain it will be amazing can't wait for the other two as well.
Your drawing might burst into flames. ;) Or nothing really, the object you are drawing just may not look as solid and real to the viewer. Most of the time when freehand drawing in perspective you will be guessing anyway. The more accurate your guess at the convergence and the perspective grid the more real your objects will appear.
@@scottrobertsondesign Thanks for the reply and insight! I just had one more question. at 14:40 is there any way to find the converging lines towards the the same way you did for the right set of lines? -Wouldn't doing so require you to know exactly where the horizon line is?
If you could make a tutorial on pages 42 and 43 (Mirroring a 2d curve and 3d curves in perspective) it would be very helpful. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around "knowing where the line is in space".
Have you watched all of the drawing videos yet? I think I do a lot of that so of thing throughout a bunch of them. If not I will make one specifically on that.
I went through them, there is one on mirroring rotated, titled planes.. but if you could make one on those two pages, it would be very helpful. btw Love the book! Cheers and thank you.
Thank you Scott. Prior to this page in the book there was no discussion of the verticals not being verticals. In the book we always checked the conditions of the ellipse using verticals. This threw me off in this video when you didn't use verticals to check the conditions of the ellipse. I didn't know anymore how to use the ellipse to construct a correct perspective for the lesson.
Dear Scott, I have a question on the drawing of the bottom and top tangentlines at around 13:16. What is the citeria to draw them?... you did them nearly parallel, so the vanishingpoint is very far away. Do we not have to consider the direktion of the extended minoraxis of the choosen ellipse?... because thisone is converging towards the other vanishingpoint as it is perpendicular to the ellipseplane? I had the same question while working through page 73 in your book. An amazing book by the way, thank you so much!!! cheers from Switzerland Dominik
I don't have a drafting board or a lot of implements to use anymore. When I got a computer that became my tool, I bought a tablet to draw with because I had to stay mobile and have my drawing tools be able to be taken in a backpack. I was not employed at the time and had to have something to be able to upload with since I did not have a scanner or a place to plug one in all the time. I then became a security guard and did not make a 5 figure income so I had to live in my car even though I made 25 an hour at my job. I am still pretty good at using drafting tools and doing board drafting and had extrapolated this ability into working as a welder fabricator. (I use the same method you use to layout my projects except in life-size creation of whole buildings or machine structures to place or millwright a machine inside of. Now I have a place to live, again but still no scanner, so I can't upload a drawing to the computer. I have to do everything on the computer. And in watching your videos I have to extrapolate how to do that without the drafting tools you are using (and I used to) on a computer by using your simple techniques. I do have Paint Tool sai with the line art feature which enables me to use your multiplying technique to extend my boxes. The tablet allows me to freehand draw as well, but again a tablet and a computer that is not one of those $8,000 dollar BOXX model with 64 cores and 15 terabytes of Ram with a $3,000 dollar Wacom Cintiq view digital drawing table. I have an old laptop and a hundred dollar tablet. What makes this difficult is it would so easy to draw on paper and use a scanner I still don't have to the computer to do my drawings, all by extrapolating your methods on paper in "How to Draw" and your videos. The Boxx computer (at a precision of .000000001 x .000000001 screen DPI with the table) would allow me to use the 3 foot by 4-foot Wacom top of the line digital table and then use all these drawing aides anyway directly on the screen.
Hey mr Scott, a question. at 14:49, after you establish the right vanishing point, how can you use the minor axis you created for the elipse at 12:33 to find the left vanishing point?
We know that a minor axis of an ellipse is like the axle of a wheel and is perpendicular to the plane of the ellipse. So it follows that the minor axis in that example has to go to the left VP. Then building out the guide lines of the plane of the ellipse we can find the right VP.
@@scottrobertsondesign Thanks you, that all makes sense! but about making lines towards the left VP, would the only way to ensure those are correct be to use something like the brewer method? After all at that point you only have one line, the minor axis aiming towards the left VP. Thanks again!
@@TheLDARtist Yes, very good, that's correct. Usually we just make an educated guess though based on the convergence you set for the guide lines going to the right VP in this case.
How do you calculate the amount of convergence of the receding lines in order to make the box for the ellipse look square and not rectangular? (I feel the second drawing looks a bit rectangular, like a stronger convergence of the lines was needed)
Huh, I thought we were supposed to be doing all the construction lines and what not in freehand not using rulers and whatnot. No wonder I've been having so much trouble. Or, do you usually draw freehand without the rulers and whatnot?
Love the book, it was worth every penny, Just wondering how you would draw an x section in-between two other x sections, is it really a matter of eyeballing it and making sure the curve goes exactly in-between the other two?
Great tutorial Scott. I've been a fan of your work for a long time. There's one thing I didn't understand though. Why did you use the major axis of the ellipse as your vertical in the first perspective construction? Shouldn't the vertical have remained vertical in 2 point perspective rather than become tilted?
Scott Robertson ah, I understand now! I re-watched the video. Sorry for the misunderstanding! It was when you drew the perspective lines tangent to the ellipse. For some reason my brain just assumed that they touched tangent at the major axis which is obviously not the case.
I might be mistaken but I see one flaw with the ellipse technique. The ellipse will only create an accurate square if the lines tangent to the side of the ellipse are converging in an appropriate degree.
Dear mr. Robertson, I dont understand how you find the angles at 12:55 and 23:24 ? (slow/fast convergence) Shouldn't this angle and the degree of foreshortening coincide?
At 10:46 you use that "Equal Spacing" tool, where on earth did you find that amazing little device? I want one so badly but am having a tough time finding one. Thank you for these amazing videos, I enjoy every single one. Keep on the awesome work that you do! ^^
So much easier to understand when explained in a video, than reading in a book. All those geometric terms can be a little daunting. But works best in combination. :)
Hello Scott Robertson your talents and your strive of concept designs is amazing. You are a master of nearly all designs except for orcs but the stuff that people love to see more of. I use to think no one can beat Feng zhu hehe but I found your work even more closer to syd mead, the way you represent some of your design is like everything my country new zealand doesn't teach at school. We need concept art school like TAD in our country please I will help few 100s donations for this project :)
Mr. Robertson, is there such a thing as Perspective Graph Paper? I have been laying out the grid as you told us, using the Brewer Method. But "Perspective For Comic Book Artists"''s David Chelsea points out we can use perspective graph paper, where the paper itself already has converging lines, and seems like a really neat idea. But for the love of everything, I can't find that kind of paper anywhere! Can you point out any online store where I can order it? I tried the main online stores, Amazon and such... there are apps and such for PC and Android, but I prefer to draw with paper :)
Drawing proportional shapes in perspective, even simple ones like those, is very difficult. More often than not you find yourself lost among those messy lines and measurements. Even then, I don't find such a long video about it boring at all, it rather makes me feel like practicing perspective right now.
Yes!! Thank you! I totally own more than a few design studio press books. I know fundamental videos as good as this are usually not out there for free, so I thank you again! And will always support DSP by buying more books!
Thanks for the explanations Mr. Robertson. But I can not find the video that you have spoken. That one about conect views to creat volume. Where I can find it?
@@scottrobertsondesign Hello again. I've tryied to access your videos. However, to do this is necessary to do login. And I was not able to find the link/button to creat an account. Please, could you tell me where I can find it?
You do not have to create an account, just follow the URL listed in the book on page 206, in How to Draw, then enter the username and password listed on that page.@@heldersezinaldo5257
Hello Sensei! It's been a while since your last upload, I know everyone of us is busy in our life, but I hope you still have free time to answer questions, I'm struggling on ortho views, the questions in my head is, can I also apply the same technique you used above video in front, rear, top, bottom, left and to all possible views? in your video and book, it's only talk about side view, I really want to learn how to construct different types of methods to represent all ortho views, and transfer into perspective, if you can make additional supporting video tutorial in your gumroad about that talks on how to contruct all views with different method and put these 2D views into 3D view, please make a video, even if it's pricey, I'll definitely buy it. I'm sure not only me, but everyone who's supporting you from the beginning.. I wish, you continue to strengthering your books by keep adding more video that will support the content of your books, like how to rotate objects, etc.. I love to see more continuations or extension of your books.. and if you have any books that you can recommend to me about ortho views, please tell me.. everything you've made in this field are true gems.. my H2D and H2R books and gnomon dvd's are like treasures, I recently bought some of your videos in your gumroad too..which is very good addition as well. so please if it's still possible to make ortho views video in your gumroad please let me know, I will not hesitate to buy everything from you Sensei until I become a master in perspective. Thank you so much.
Dear scott I've purchased your how to draw book...slowly learning about perspective... I've also joined your forum but I'm still waiting for an admin to activate my account....also if I'm not mistaken the forum link provided in the introduction video is wrong....I found the correct link by searching it on Google...just thought you should know...anyways I look forward to mastering the techniques in your book and hope the app gets fixed soon.....
is the full x-y-z video out yet. basically adding volume? i can get the 2d down but in the book its a little hard for me to understand it after that point
a real master! one question: when you sketch perspective, your vanishing points are not on paper, so is it just guessing? I do not know how short the lines closer to the vanishing point must be and how to get a feel for that :(
Yes. It is "educated guessing." Using some properly constructed perspective grids as an underlay and sketching over the top of them can help try your eye and arm to improve the accuracy of your educated guessing.
@@scottrobertsondesign thanks a lot for your time and great content Mr. Robertson! So it is all training and a good understanding to be able to sketch the camera angles and lenses you want to express. I will use some constructed perspective grids and try to put them in my visual library, so next time when the design police catch me, they will not see that I am cheating :D
Hey I know it's a lot to ask but... Can you do a quick vid on how to plot the wing tips? I find it difficult to understand HOW you did it in your book due to the tonnes of lines involved by the time you get to this step. I think this is the hardest part for me.
He scott i dont really umderstand how you draw cars or a helicopter for example...u start with a side view okey....but what about the width of the helicopter how do you decide upon that? And how do you package a helicopter in general whats the aproach when packaging Thanks
Thank you so much for all your sharing. You are really amazing. If you did this in photoshop, would you draw freehand, or would you use the line and ellipse tool? Or any other way? The question is really about how to best transfer this technique to the digital medium?
I don't believe the second rectangle you drew is necessarily a square. Just because you can fit an ellipse inside doesn't make it square. A circle in perspective is an ellipse but an ellipse in perspective is not necessarily a circle.
Scott Robertson Thank you! Dear, I tell him, I'm a very passionate design person, but I am not certified by any school, everything I learned as an autodidact, I just want to know or would you recommend to also be able to study in any school where I can develop my potential? Well be waiting your more pleasant response, Thanks & Regards!
Amazing as always, Scott. I was wondering, this technique can be used for helmet design? I mean, turning only the side view of a helmet into a full built one. I've been strugling with that and just can't find information about it. Thanks.
basic drafting views ... btw your top view is built backwards ... the front portion of the top view is the bottom .. same with the side view the front is the left ... the front view is always oriented to the front view drawing ... then you have a direct relationship between each drawing and the isometric view .. every single point is related by an angle
save brain sweat .. draw the front view ... then draw the top view with the front of that pointing down ... then draw the side view with it's front pointing left ... then 45degrees from the front view center point to the isometric view quadrant ... all points from the front follow that angle ... the top view all lines are extended right on the 90deg plane ... and on the side view all the lines are extended up at 0deg ... the various intersections mark your model ... and put it in 3d in perfect perspective every time ... that is why full drafting pages have the 4 panels .. 3 orthographic views and one isometric view composed of the orthographic views ... it is the only method that ensures a perfect render every time ... without the 3 views already laid out and inline with each other ... getting it right is drastically lower ... like 50% lower ...
@@0623kaboom well said! But how do you determine lets say a cars width according to its side view? Just guess and something nice comes out in perspective? Is there a technique to KNOW whats gonna come out in perspective
Hi Scott, struggling with transferring the ellipse to the ground plain (page 57), which i think is also important in developing this stage (page 84) into something with volume (if i wanted the dimensions to remain the same all the way around). When mirroring to the ground plain, How do you know what degree to place the ellipse? I didn't understand where the starting point was? where to place the minor axis (this is assuming it was drawn before the ellipse) - not the direction (horizontal) as that's well explained, but its position on the page? is it guess work? The way its explained in the book seems empirical, but when I try and produce it, it seems like there is a lot of room for error…Everything else has been really easy to grasp (up to page100), This part just seems so imperative that I need to make sure I have a full grasp of it otherwise will fall short at something a lot more complicated further along(p.s.sorry for long message!)?
For ellipses on flat ground plane surfaces the minor axis is vertical. Start with that, then place an ellipse on it. Next you will need to double check the degree. You can do this the same way as done on a vertical plane, by sketching tangent to the ellipse back to the VP's. This will create a box on the ground plane. If the ellipse does not touch tangent to the sides of the box in the middle of each side the degree is wrong. Adjust the degree until it touches the middle of each side of a box drawn around it. Do not change the minor axis to adjust it if it is vertical and correct, only the degree.
Check out Peter han and his cgma dynamic sketching. He basically draws everything and breaks down things with 3d forms. After taking his course I started drawing only with grey markers and pen ink. Using permanent medium will help you build confidence over time and speed. Messing up is part of the process
i want to buy your book so badly! my only option of getting it is on amazon , though i dont know how it works, and how much it will cost me , im from the (philippines)
Yes they would if you were folding them. If I remember right this was a top view projection of the wings already angled up in my mind, not the other way around, by pivoting a fixed length top view.
Hi Scott and fellow students, I don't have the funds to buy a full set of ellipse guide, for the benefit of this book, what ellipse degrees should I buy first? 30* and 15* anymore? slso, on the ellipses sets it states small and large, which would be the set to get First? thank you for your time Chris (England)
I only use the small set now, so you can probably skip the big ones. As far as range, if you are buying them individually maybe try 65, 55 and 40 first. Those will give you a nice 3/4 view if you are drawing a car for instance.
on this wonderful video I saw a tool to divide into equal parts a segment. you tell me your name and where I can buy it. I already bought the book I can not wait to see it thanks Fabrizio
Hey mr scott A question that the book didnt answer How to i do elevation view and know the width for example after have done the side view. Do i just judge? Trial and error? Thanks in regards
You can guess, but I tend to use the wheel turned 90 degrees, multiplied a total of three times across the width, sketching my cars around three wheels wide. Effectively using the ellipse is the same as using a square multiplied across the width to calculate the proper foreshortened width to align with the convergence of your perspective grid.
@@scottrobertsondesign what about drawing howercrafts or boats or weapons? Do you estimate their width or is there a technique? Thanks again both books are a gem!
@@scottrobertsondesign and i just cant figure out how to do elevation view or draft views. I get that you should draw the best imagined side of the object for example ( side view) but how do i afterwards find an apropiate top view? I just got 1 view to work in perspective? Any techniques? You help me alot thanks scott robertson
@@MathBlue The technique is research existing objects with the same desired functions to learn more about how they work, why they have the proportions they do. If there is an object with the proportions you like, look up the dimensions of it and use a bounding box around the views of your new object to retain the proportions of the thing you like.
@@scottrobertsondesignMR ROBERTSON would you just explain me this about orthograpic draft views.# HOWTODRAW (page 82) the side view has the info of the lenght and height of your car okey fine.....soo when you draw an side view and want to also draw an top view(like in page 82 with the car concept). .what info do you got from your side view that you can USE to decide for an WIDTH in your top view (i guess none?( lenght and height doesnt help with width, its just a straight centerline in top view) just guess work then? i cant visualize what the objects proportion is gonna look like when i put it in perspective with the dimensions i set for the TOP VIEW....it might turn out too wide or too narrow...(both happened numerous times) coz the side view does not give info for any TOP VIEW DIMENSION. the width decision of your car in page 82 or the width decision of the motorbike in page 83 or the width decision of your taxi package (top view) in page 161 or the width decision for your ship at page 66 what drew your decision of giving them exactly the WIDTH IN TOP VIEW that they have...?? once i understand how wide my bounding box in top view should be like, the rest is easy (like engine,windshield,trunk,etc) but i have to decide on an appropiate bounding box in top view first ..how is it done? Cant wait for your reply Thanks again:
You can just do this same construction in Photoshop. If you want to know the degree of the ellipse work in Sketch Book Pro. Their ellipse guide tool will list the degree.
Maybe this will help if you only have Photoshop. 1.Get an Elipses size you want to use from Google images. 2. Use Photoshops Selection tool to match the size. 3. Save the selection for future use.
hello Mr. Robertson. Im sure you are annoyed by this question already but I havent been able to find the answer in the comments. I know you use a hi tec c pen but which one is this one? Also I havent been able to find a Hi Tec c "ballpoint" pen. All I can find is "Rollerball" get ink Hi Tec c. is that correct? Thanks for the book and videos, Cheers!!
I find pilot ink in general seems to give minute bleed on most paper and gives me blobby ends a lot... after testing a whole load of pens I find the Uni-ball SigNO, is a hard pen to beat.
so in theory, if i was to draw an infinite number of x-sections across a centreline, the silhouette line would create itself (not that i would do this)...is this right, the silhouette line is just a bi product of the sections?
Funny I was just reading this section, trying to plot out HOW he plots the edges of wings and I'm thinking WTF still makes so sense, so this helps a little more.
Thank you for your answer! Actually I have some issues to extend these planes even in two point perspective. I just cant match the points of new plane to match each other and the second vp. The image might explain it better > dl.dropbox.com/s/jvgi132k8pwxybx/plane%20devide%20issue.jpg?dl=0
Your drawing is not sharp enough. Meaning your variations are due to line thicknesses, not your construction techniques. Try using a sharp pencil on paper.
ok, I tried it with pen and paper and yes it works. Probably I will have to add more pixels to my drawings next time. Thank you very much for so quick answers !
Ortho is where the visual rays are perpendicular to the picture plane and also parallel to one another. Isometric, diametric and dimetric views are also orthographic but many people refer to only 3 view as ortho drawings. Doesn’t matter, just terms. Figured I would add to this if someone was interested. Big fan of your work and this great book
Sure, that could be more clear. The width being referred to is the width of the rectangular construction plane sitting on the Z plane. After this rectangular plane is symmetrical it can be used to aid in the drawing of the blue curved line.
Scott Robertson thanks a lot sir..but I'm unable to understand how to make mirror of that rectangular construction on z plane. I have practiced all your previous chapters and right now I'm stuck on it. Can you please guide.
Use the technique explained on page 31. Watch the video for that page as well. You have to draw one side first, then you can use this mirroring technique to help draw the other side.
Damn. I thought I came up with something cool, where you divide the corner angle in half to work out a square in perspective, but watching this i realized it doesn't work
Best "How To Draw" book I have ever owned. Thanks, Scott!
As an artist I've always excelled in rendering organic objects, but, my skills with mechanical objects has languished. I picked up your How To Draw book and have been watching all your videos. Thank you for sharing your gift with us. It is making me a better artist.
think like a kid again ... draw a flat plane picture ... (front view) ... then do it again top down ... then again on the left side of the model .. all with the front pointed at the front view ... then on a 45 from front light trace all the points of the front view into the 4th quadrant ... do the same with the top and bottom .. then pay attention to what aligns where and draw the lines that belong ... and you have your 3d perspective drawing perfect EVERY time because each drawing is related to each other ... directly by position and angle
Can't wait to buy the book. There's nobody else who explains these concepts or demonstrates them so masterfully. Inspiring stuff.
You are the best Mr. Robertson
Sir, it is a great privilege to watch your videos, you are the best lecturer on this subject, and one of top 3 concept designers in past 25 years in my opinion!
Thank you very much on sharing with us your knowledge for free, and spending your free time on making video tutorials! Buying your books is a least little thing I can do to try to repay you for that! I've already ordered "How to draw" and "How to render", I am only sorry that my friend who is working in States, will come back from USA before "How to design" will come out, and that he will not be able to bring it to me here in Serbia, but at least I will final have these 2 books!
And again big THANK YOU for your teaching and your inspiring work :)
Fantastic book. Recommended.
Getting back to illustration for storyboarding purposes, and I gotta say I'm not even all the way through your tutorial and I'm feeling very informed and confident. Thank you very much, and I look forward to getting a copy of your book when I can. Cheers
28:40 this is the craziest thing I have ever seen someone do 🥶
Wow Scott, this is so cool, really fun, and a really straight forward process. Thanks.
Yes. Ok, now I get it! I'm ridiculously late to comment on this, but I feel like I have to. So I'm 35 years old and have been drawing for as long as I've been able to hold a pen. I'm fairly good at perspective but I've always just eyeballed it. This last week, I decided for some reason that I should learn perspective the proper way (I also love math so that's probably a contributing factor). I've watched a number of videos, and even if they have helped me, I haven't really been able to grasp it. I, at some point, actually felt that it effected my art negatively, because I overthought it. But this video got the coin to drop! It's ironic, because all the videos I've watched referred to your book! It's not that the videos I've watched has been bad, sometimes you just need a specific explanation! I work as a pedagogic resource for high school and I see this all the time. I help a student in math, for example, and they'll just: "Oh! Now I GET IT!", and all I've done is explained it differently from what they've heard before. To me, you explained it slightly different and that's what made me finally GET IT! Thank you!
Great video and this really helps bring the book alive. thanks Scott
This is such a great display of perspective. Thank you. 🙏🏼
Just got this book today after a long wait....this is pretty awesome....thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
All good stuff. Cheers Scotty.
'How to draw' this book is fantastic! Thank you!
pre-ordered mine just arrived at my moms house in canada might be a while before I get it but from what I've read i am certain it will be amazing can't wait for the other two as well.
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What would happen if you didn’t match the convergence, and just “guessed” so to speak?
Your drawing might burst into flames. ;)
Or nothing really, the object you are drawing just may not look as solid and real to the viewer. Most of the time when freehand drawing in perspective you will be guessing anyway. The more accurate your guess at the convergence and the perspective grid the more real your objects will appear.
@@scottrobertsondesign haha
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Thanks for the reply and insight!
I just had one more question.
at 14:40 is there any way to find the converging lines towards the the same way you did for the right set of lines?
-Wouldn't doing so require you to know exactly where the horizon line is?
I just ordered the book now it looks like it contains everything I need to start designing with accurate perspectives. :o)
If you could make a tutorial on pages 42 and 43 (Mirroring a 2d curve and 3d curves in perspective) it would be very helpful. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around "knowing where the line is in space".
Have you watched all of the drawing videos yet? I think I do a lot of that so of thing throughout a bunch of them. If not I will make one specifically on that.
I went through them, there is one on mirroring rotated, titled planes.. but if you could make one on those two pages, it would be very helpful. btw Love the book! Cheers and thank you.
Thank you Scott. Prior to this page in the book there was no discussion of the verticals not being verticals. In the book we always checked the conditions of the ellipse using verticals. This threw me off in this video when you didn't use verticals to check the conditions of the ellipse. I didn't know anymore how to use the ellipse to construct a correct perspective for the lesson.
Dear Scott,
I have a question on the drawing of the bottom and top tangentlines at around 13:16.
What is the citeria to draw them?... you did them nearly parallel, so the vanishingpoint is very far away. Do we not have to consider the direktion of the extended minoraxis of the choosen ellipse?... because thisone is converging towards the other vanishingpoint as it is perpendicular to the ellipseplane?
I had the same question while working through page 73 in your book.
An amazing book by the way, thank you so much!!!
cheers from Switzerland
Dominik
I don't have a drafting board or a lot of implements to use anymore. When I got a computer that became my tool, I bought a tablet to draw with because I had to stay mobile and have my drawing tools be able to be taken in a backpack. I was not employed at the time and had to have something to be able to upload with since I did not have a scanner or a place to plug one in all the time. I then became a security guard and did not make a 5 figure income so I had to live in my car even though I made 25 an hour at my job.
I am still pretty good at using drafting tools and doing board drafting and had extrapolated this ability into working as a welder fabricator. (I use the same method you use to layout my projects except in life-size creation of whole buildings or machine structures to place or millwright a machine inside of.
Now I have a place to live, again but still no scanner, so I can't upload a drawing to the computer. I have to do everything on the computer. And in watching your videos I have to extrapolate how to do that without the drafting tools you are using (and I used to) on a computer by using your simple techniques. I do have Paint Tool sai with the line art feature which enables me to use your multiplying technique to extend my boxes. The tablet allows me to freehand draw as well, but again a tablet and a computer that is not one of those $8,000 dollar BOXX model with 64 cores and 15 terabytes of Ram with a $3,000 dollar Wacom Cintiq view digital drawing table.
I have an old laptop and a hundred dollar tablet.
What makes this difficult is it would so easy to draw on paper and use a scanner I still don't have to the computer to do my drawings, all by extrapolating your methods on paper in "How to Draw" and your videos. The Boxx computer (at a precision of .000000001 x .000000001 screen DPI with the table) would allow me to use the 3 foot by 4-foot Wacom top of the line digital table and then use all these drawing aides anyway directly on the screen.
Hey mr Scott, a question. at 14:49, after you establish the right vanishing point, how can you use the minor axis you created for the elipse at 12:33 to find the left vanishing point?
We know that a minor axis of an ellipse is like the axle of a wheel and is perpendicular to the plane of the ellipse. So it follows that the minor axis in that example has to go to the left VP. Then building out the guide lines of the plane of the ellipse we can find the right VP.
@@scottrobertsondesign Thanks you, that all makes sense! but about making lines towards the left VP, would the only way to ensure those are correct be to use something like the brewer method? After all at that point you only have one line, the minor axis aiming towards the left VP.
Thanks again!
@@TheLDARtist Yes, very good, that's correct. Usually we just make an educated guess though based on the convergence you set for the guide lines going to the right VP in this case.
How do you calculate the amount of convergence of the receding lines in order to make the box for the ellipse look square and not rectangular? (I feel the second drawing looks a bit rectangular, like a stronger convergence of the lines was needed)
Huh, I thought we were supposed to be doing all the construction lines and what not in freehand not using rulers and whatnot. No wonder I've been having so much trouble. Or, do you usually draw freehand without the rulers and whatnot?
I almost always draw freehand. No big deal though to clean up your drawings with tools, it makes them tighter and it's fast.
Ok cool, thanks a lot for the quick reply
Love the book, it was worth every penny, Just wondering how you would draw an x section in-between two other x sections, is it really a matter of eyeballing it and making sure the curve goes exactly in-between the other two?
Yes, you got it. If you want a smooth transition from the first to the last section the one in the middle just splits the difference.
Scott Robertson Thanks so much :)
Great tutorial Scott. I've been a fan of your work for a long time. There's one thing I didn't understand though. Why did you use the major axis of the ellipse as your vertical in the first perspective construction? Shouldn't the vertical have remained vertical in 2 point perspective rather than become tilted?
I never use the major axis. I think you must have been seeing the "X" I was drawing to find the center or foreshorten multiply the ellipse.
Scott Robertson ah, I understand now! I re-watched the video. Sorry for the misunderstanding! It was when you drew the perspective lines tangent to the ellipse. For some reason my brain just assumed that they touched tangent at the major axis which is obviously not the case.
I might be mistaken but I see one flaw with the ellipse technique. The ellipse will only create an accurate square if the lines tangent to the side of the ellipse are converging in an appropriate degree.
+Ben Hoffman Not true. The same technique works for multiple lens lengths. Give it a try. Assuming you are drawing inside the cone of vision.
Yeah that makes sense, there is a lot more compression in a narrow field of view.
My misunderstanding, thanks!
This is so awesome. Very helpful and makes practicing fundamentals like this very rewarding.
Wow - never seen an equal spacing divider before. Pretty nifty!
Dear mr. Robertson, I dont understand how you find the angles at 12:55 and 23:24 ? (slow/fast convergence) Shouldn't this angle and the degree of foreshortening coincide?
At 10:46 you use that "Equal Spacing" tool, where on earth did you find that amazing little device? I want one so badly but am having a tough time finding one.
Thank you for these amazing videos, I enjoy every single one. Keep on the awesome work that you do! ^^
Just search www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=equal+space+divider&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Scott Robertson
Good lord!!! D:
I had absolutely no idea how expensive those things were!!
Well anyways thank you so much for helping me out ^^
So much easier to understand when explained in a video, than reading in a book.
All those geometric terms can be a little daunting. But works best in combination. :)
Hello Scott Robertson your talents and your strive of concept designs is amazing. You are a master of nearly all designs except for orcs but the stuff that people love to see more of. I use to think no one can beat Feng zhu hehe but I found your work even more closer to syd mead, the way you represent some of your design is like everything my country new zealand doesn't teach at school. We need concept art school like TAD in our country please I will help few 100s donations for this project :)
Mr. Robertson, is there such a thing as Perspective Graph Paper? I have been laying out the grid as you told us, using the Brewer Method. But "Perspective For Comic Book Artists"''s David Chelsea points out we can use perspective graph paper, where the paper itself already has converging lines, and seems like a really neat idea. But for the love of everything, I can't find that kind of paper anywhere! Can you point out any online store where I can order it? I tried the main online stores, Amazon and such... there are apps and such for PC and Android, but I prefer to draw with paper :)
Thank you, In this kind of draw the flight point is apply?
Drawing proportional shapes in perspective, even simple ones like those, is very difficult. More often than not you find yourself lost among those messy lines and measurements. Even then, I don't find such a long video about it boring at all, it rather makes me feel like practicing perspective right now.
Yes!! Thank you! I totally own more than a few design studio press books. I know fundamental videos as good as this are usually not out there for free, so I thank you again! And will always support DSP by buying more books!
Love your books
That's one of the best books I've ever bought!
Thanks for the explanations Mr. Robertson. But I can not find the video that you have spoken. That one about conect views to creat volume. Where I can find it?
Thanks. The URL for all of the videos is listed at the back of the book along with the Username and Password to access.
@@scottrobertsondesign Hello again. I've tryied to access your videos. However, to do this is necessary to do login. And I was not able to find the link/button to creat an account. Please, could you tell me where I can find it?
You do not have to create an account, just follow the URL listed in the book on page 206, in How to Draw, then enter the username and password listed on that page.@@heldersezinaldo5257
@@scottrobertsondesign Thank you very much! :)
Where did you get that great ruler from? Can't find something like that here in the UK...
+Evil Harb I found it on amazon. Searched on google for "Alvin Parallel Glider"
Great book !!
thank you so much :D
Hello Sensei! It's been a while since your last upload, I know everyone of us is busy in our life, but I hope you still have free time to answer questions, I'm struggling on ortho views, the questions in my head is, can I also apply the same technique you used above video in front, rear, top, bottom, left and to all possible views? in your video and book, it's only talk about side view, I really want to learn how to construct different types of methods to represent all ortho views, and transfer into perspective, if you can make additional supporting video tutorial in your gumroad about that talks on how to contruct all views with different method and put these 2D views into 3D view, please make a video, even if it's pricey, I'll definitely buy it. I'm sure not only me, but everyone who's supporting you from the beginning..
I wish, you continue to strengthering your books by keep adding more video that will support the content of your books, like how to rotate objects, etc.. I love to see more continuations or extension of your books.. and if you have any books that you can recommend to me about ortho views, please tell me..
everything you've made in this field are true gems.. my H2D and H2R books and gnomon dvd's are like treasures, I recently bought some of your videos in your gumroad too..which is very good addition as well.
so please if it's still possible to make ortho views video in your gumroad please let me know, I will not hesitate to buy everything from you Sensei until I become a master in perspective. Thank you so much.
Dear scott I've purchased your how to draw book...slowly learning about perspective... I've also joined your forum but I'm still waiting for an admin to activate my account....also if I'm not mistaken the forum link provided in the introduction video is wrong....I found the correct link by searching it on Google...just thought you should know...anyways I look forward to mastering the techniques in your book and hope the app gets fixed soon.....
is the full x-y-z video out yet. basically adding volume? i can get the 2d down but in the book its a little hard for me to understand it after that point
I have been struggling for weeks on this and I still can't seem to get this form building thing right
a real master!
one question:
when you sketch perspective, your vanishing points are not on paper, so is it just guessing?
I do not know how short the lines closer to the vanishing point must be and how to get a feel for that :(
Yes. It is "educated guessing." Using some properly constructed perspective grids as an underlay and sketching over the top of them can help try your eye and arm to improve the accuracy of your educated guessing.
@@scottrobertsondesign thanks a lot for your time and great content Mr. Robertson!
So it is all training and a good understanding to be able to sketch the camera angles and lenses you want to express.
I will use some constructed perspective grids and try to put them in my visual library, so next time when the design police catch me, they will not see that I am cheating :D
Excellent love the video
Hey I know it's a lot to ask but... Can you do a quick vid on how to plot the wing tips? I find it difficult to understand HOW you did it in your book due to the tonnes of lines involved by the time you get to this step. I think this is the hardest part for me.
Maybe late this summer after all of the How to Render content is complete.
He scott i dont really umderstand how you draw cars or a helicopter for example...u start with a side view okey....but what about the width of the helicopter how do you decide upon that?
And how do you package a helicopter in general whats the aproach when packaging
Thanks
I got the book last month and it's great. Is there a trick to free handing a 30 degree ellipse? I don't have a circle template
Practice. Sorry.
Thank you so much for all your sharing. You are really amazing. If you did this in photoshop, would you draw freehand, or would you use the line and ellipse tool? Or any other way? The question is really about how to best transfer this technique to the digital medium?
Thanks. In Photoshop I would probably use paths. If I was working in Sketch Book pro I would be more likely to try and draw it freehand.
I don't believe the second rectangle you drew is necessarily a square. Just because you can fit an ellipse inside doesn't make it square. A circle in perspective is an ellipse but an ellipse in perspective is not necessarily a circle.
Worth more than gold.
Hello! excellent methods applied to power draw so professionally, I just want to know CAD software used in the beginning of this video? Greetings!
MODO by The Foundry.
Scott Robertson Thank you! Dear, I tell him, I'm a very passionate design person, but I am not certified by any school, everything I learned as an autodidact, I just want to know or would you recommend to also be able to study in any school where I can develop my potential? Well be waiting your more pleasant response, Thanks & Regards!
Amazing as always, Scott. I was wondering, this technique can be used for helmet design? I mean, turning only the side view of a helmet into a full built one. I've been strugling with that and just can't find information about it. Thanks.
Sure. Works to help foreshorten and draw any curve in perspective.
How can I practice what in a way that builds up progressively? Do you recommend a workbook? If so which one?
M. Robertson's 'How to draw' book is just filled with this kind of exercices and much more all step by step. Highly recommended!
basic drafting views ... btw your top view is built backwards ... the front portion of the top view is the bottom .. same with the side view the front is the left ... the front view is always oriented to the front view drawing ... then you have a direct relationship between each drawing and the isometric view .. every single point is related by an angle
save brain sweat .. draw the front view ... then draw the top view with the front of that pointing down ... then draw the side view with it's front pointing left ... then 45degrees from the front view center point to the isometric view quadrant ... all points from the front follow that angle ... the top view all lines are extended right on the 90deg plane ... and on the side view all the lines are extended up at 0deg ... the various intersections mark your model ... and put it in 3d in perfect perspective every time ... that is why full drafting pages have the 4 panels .. 3 orthographic views and one isometric view composed of the orthographic views ... it is the only method that ensures a perfect render every time ... without the 3 views already laid out and inline with each other ... getting it right is drastically lower ... like 50% lower ...
@@0623kaboom well said! But how do you determine lets say a cars width according to its side view? Just guess and something nice comes out in perspective? Is there a technique to KNOW whats gonna come out in perspective
Can someone name awesome european concept artists (living and working in Europe)?
Thank you for sharing.
Hi Scott, struggling with transferring the ellipse to the ground plain (page 57), which i think is also important in developing this stage (page 84) into something with volume (if i wanted the dimensions to remain the same all the way around). When mirroring to the ground plain, How do you know what degree to place the ellipse? I didn't understand where the starting point was? where to place the minor axis (this is assuming it was drawn before the ellipse) - not the direction (horizontal) as that's well explained, but its position on the page? is it guess work? The way its explained in the book seems empirical, but when I try and produce it, it seems like there is a lot of room for error…Everything else has been really easy to grasp (up to page100), This part just seems so imperative that I need to make sure I have a full grasp of it otherwise will fall short at something a lot more complicated further along(p.s.sorry for long message!)?
For ellipses on flat ground plane surfaces the minor axis is vertical. Start with that, then place an ellipse on it. Next you will need to double check the degree. You can do this the same way as done on a vertical plane, by sketching tangent to the ellipse back to the VP's. This will create a box on the ground plane. If the ellipse does not touch tangent to the sides of the box in the middle of each side the degree is wrong. Adjust the degree until it touches the middle of each side of a box drawn around it. Do not change the minor axis to adjust it if it is vertical and correct, only the degree.
Thanks for taking time to reply Scott, Will keep at it! very best. p.s. great book
What kind of ruler is that? And what is that thing with multiple teeth?
It's called a "parallel rule" or "parallel ruler" has wheels and says parallel as you roll it across a flat surface.
Is there a way to get a perfect square in perspective, without the ellipse guide?
Not without a more elaborate construction technique that's not practical for sketching. The ellipse method is the best for sketching.
:) Thanks so much for the quick answer! In my country is really thought to buy an ellipse guide, even in art stores, I'll just order one online!
Sir, your book was great, can you suggest similar books for character drawing.
Check out Peter han and his cgma dynamic sketching. He basically draws everything and breaks down things with 3d forms. After taking his course I started drawing only with grey markers and pen ink. Using permanent medium will help you build confidence over time and speed. Messing up is part of the process
@@damianogiolitti3416 thanks a lot. Really appreciate it.
What kind of pen is that?
i want to buy your book so badly! my only option of getting it is on amazon , though i dont know how it works, and how much it will cost me , im from the (philippines)
fucken brilliant..i could watch this all day
May I ask how to determine the angle of eclipse one should use when doing this type of orthogonal drawing?? thank you.
Are you referring to the degree of the ellipse or its minor axis position?
degree of the ellipse :)
It's on page 73 at the bottom in How To Draw. I think it's also covered in the ellipse drawing video around that part of the book.
Why isn’t the length of wings change in the top view ? When we fold the wings up the length is supposed to reduce right ? Iam a newbie . Soo
Yes they would if you were folding them. If I remember right this was a top view projection of the wings already angled up in my mind, not the other way around, by pivoting a fixed length top view.
Hi Scott and fellow students,
I don't have the funds to buy a full set of ellipse guide, for the benefit of this book, what ellipse degrees should I buy first? 30* and 15* anymore? slso, on the ellipses sets it states small and large, which would be the set to get First?
thank you for your time
Chris (England)
I only use the small set now, so you can probably skip the big ones. As far as range, if you are buying them individually maybe try 65, 55 and 40 first. Those will give you a nice 3/4 view if you are drawing a car for instance.
on this wonderful video I saw a tool to divide into equal parts a segment. you tell me your name and where I can buy it.
I already bought the book I can not wait to see it
thanks Fabrizio
It's called an "equal spacing divider."
Hey mr scott
A question that the book didnt answer
How to i do elevation view and know the width for example after have done the side view. Do i just judge? Trial and error?
Thanks in regards
You can guess, but I tend to use the wheel turned 90 degrees, multiplied a total of three times across the width, sketching my cars around three wheels wide. Effectively using the ellipse is the same as using a square multiplied across the width to calculate the proper foreshortened width to align with the convergence of your perspective grid.
@@scottrobertsondesign what about drawing howercrafts or boats or weapons? Do you estimate their width or is there a technique?
Thanks again both books are a gem!
@@scottrobertsondesign and i just cant figure out how to do elevation view or draft views. I get that you should draw the best imagined side of the object for example ( side view) but how do i afterwards find an apropiate top view? I just got 1 view to work in perspective?
Any techniques?
You help me alot thanks scott robertson
@@MathBlue The technique is research existing objects with the same desired functions to learn more about how they work, why they have the proportions they do. If there is an object with the proportions you like, look up the dimensions of it and use a bounding box around the views of your new object to retain the proportions of the thing you like.
@@scottrobertsondesignMR ROBERTSON would you just explain me this about orthograpic draft views.#
HOWTODRAW (page 82)
the side view has the info of the lenght and height of your car okey fine.....soo when you draw an side view and want to also draw an top view(like in page 82 with the car concept).
.what info do you got from your side view that you can USE to decide for an WIDTH in your top view (i guess none?( lenght and height doesnt help with width, its just a straight centerline in top view)
just guess work then?
i cant visualize what the objects proportion is gonna look like when i put it in perspective with the dimensions i set for the TOP VIEW....it might turn out too wide or too narrow...(both happened numerous times) coz the side view does not give info for any TOP VIEW DIMENSION.
the width decision of your car in page 82
or the width decision of the motorbike in page 83
or the width decision of your taxi package (top view) in page 161
or the width decision for your ship at page 66
what drew your decision of giving them exactly the WIDTH IN TOP VIEW that they have...??
once i understand how wide my bounding box in top view should be like, the rest is easy (like engine,windshield,trunk,etc) but i have to decide on an appropiate bounding box in top view first ..how is it done?
Cant wait for your reply Thanks again:
Hello there i have a question, is any way to get that rules like the Elipses with the degrees but for Photoshop?
You can just do this same construction in Photoshop. If you want to know the degree of the ellipse work in Sketch Book Pro. Their ellipse guide tool will list the degree.
oh ok, and very thanks for your teaching, it is an amazing book!
Maybe this will help if you only have Photoshop.
1.Get an Elipses size you want to use from Google images.
2. Use Photoshops Selection tool to match the size.
3. Save the selection for future use.
ok ty!
Does anyone know where I can buy a set of helix circles like the set shown in this video?
+Ronnie Jooney They're called an Ellipse Guide. Not Circles. Ellipses.
hello Mr. Robertson. Im sure you are annoyed by this question already but I havent been able to find the answer in the comments. I know you use a hi tec c pen but which one is this one? Also I havent been able to find a Hi Tec c "ballpoint" pen. All I can find is "Rollerball" get ink Hi Tec c. is that correct? Thanks for the book and videos, Cheers!!
This is it. www.jetpens.com/Pilot-Hi-Tec-C-Gel-Ink-Pen-with-Grip-0.4-mm-Black/pd/2796
I find pilot ink in general seems to give minute bleed on most paper and gives me blobby ends a lot... after testing a whole load of pens I find the Uni-ball SigNO, is a hard pen to beat.
Hi,
Great videos. :-)
What for Pen do you use?
Didier
That's just a Zebra ball-point pen.
Scott Robertson Thx :-)
Anyone knows what ballpoint he uses?
so in theory, if i was to draw an infinite number of x-sections across a centreline, the silhouette line would create itself (not that i would do this)...is this right, the silhouette line is just a bi product of the sections?
Correct.
Is it me, or the tail on the last projection is sticking 1/4 square out of the 4th box when it should've been little more then 1/8 square?
Funny I was just reading this section, trying to plot out HOW he plots the edges of wings and I'm thinking WTF still makes so sense, so this helps a little more.
I am wondering how you can duplicate a plane in 3 point perspective ? I couldnt find it in the book "how to draw"
Construction is exactly the same. Just use the three point grid.
Thank you for your answer! Actually I have some issues to extend these planes even in two point perspective. I just cant match the points of new plane to match each other and the second vp. The image might explain it better > dl.dropbox.com/s/jvgi132k8pwxybx/plane%20devide%20issue.jpg?dl=0
Your drawing is not sharp enough. Meaning your variations are due to line thicknesses, not your construction techniques. Try using a sharp pencil on paper.
ok, I tried it with pen and paper and yes it works. Probably I will have to add more pixels to my drawings next time. Thank you very much for so quick answers !
very nice tutorial
Something about the last drawing doesnt work. It looks rather squished than it is a perspective view.
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How call that thing on 11:01? >_
Equal Spacing Divider.
Thanks... ^^"
The centipede of measurement..
So is ortho view 90 degrees?
Yes.
7 years later and answered within 3 hours! Buying your book, immediately, seems like the only reasonable response now. : )
Ortho is where the visual rays are perpendicular to the picture plane and also parallel to one another. Isometric, diametric and dimetric views are also orthographic but many people refer to only 3 view as ortho drawings. Doesn’t matter, just terms. Figured I would add to this if someone was interested. Big fan of your work and this great book
Can someone explain step 2 on page 86 "mirror the width and then draw the top view on the z plane"
Sure, that could be more clear. The width being referred to is the width of the rectangular construction plane sitting on the Z plane. After this rectangular plane is symmetrical it can be used to aid in the drawing of the blue curved line.
Scott Robertson thanks a lot sir..but I'm unable to understand how to make mirror of that rectangular construction on z plane. I have practiced all your previous chapters and right now I'm stuck on it. Can you please guide.
Use the technique explained on page 31. Watch the video for that page as well. You have to draw one side first, then you can use this mirroring technique to help draw the other side.
This is amazing! I would love to see this applied to organic objects like animals or human faces.
thank you so much
Damn. I thought I came up with something cool, where you divide the corner angle in half to work out a square in perspective, but watching this i realized it doesn't work
very nice
damn,this was interesting to watch
Thank you, this helps so much :)
I am waiting now work
Ur thou beatiful
I love you
GET TO IT.
I got it!hahahaha
This isn't drawing , it's math .