Somebody's gonna carefully write a momentous sentence for the occasion, like Armstrong's "one small step for man." And that somebody will be a suit on the ground, not the astronaut giving the speech... but their guidance about what to say will, like Armstrong, stop at that point, because the next thing you want to hear is a mission status report to do science with. Everything else will be unscripted. Which is why we will all tune in to the livestream of our choice to watch somebody say one sentence of great import, quietly mutter "first," and then start doing science. In that order.
If I learned something about history (especially in the history of Science), its that its not about doing something first. Its about being first to make people care about what you did.
@Gev G Yeah thats right. Im thinking more in the direction of of scientists, who end up as footmark in historie, even though they were first. They discovered things first, but since they didnt know the right people, or they didnt know how to use/interpret the same discovery, they got forgotten. Later someone else has the same idear, but the abilities to get the fame too.
I just wanted to tell you how great your series Rare Earth is. I've watched about 5 episodes a day the past week and half always been left reflecting on myself, the world, and how we can make it a better place at the end of each. Keep up the good work!
I truly hope this channel doesn't become some bought out corporate media outlet. Such an awesome channel and if you stick to these stories and shedding an unbias look at the world around us, this channel will blow beyond your wildest dreams. You are a great journalist.
I've been watching from home in St. John's since the beginning of the series so when I saw these two most recent videos of my little rock in the ocean I got very excited. I grew up in western Newfoundland and have visited L'anse aux Meadows several times. I love your style of narration and your ability to tell a nuanced and personal story instead of just taking cool drone shots and saying "we were here". Thank you, Evan and crew. We appreciate your work.
I absolutly adore this series, thank you so much for making it, every video really enriches my day, Evan you are really someone I love listen to and Francesco, your camerawork is as excellent as always (especially in the last video about the heart of canada) I don't know how many are involved in making this series, but I'm pretty sure they give their best and are excellent at their part. Since it's 9 o'clock here in austria, I wish you all a nice evening
"I would like you to think of the crew of Apollo 12" So Pete Conrad, Al Bean and Richard Gordon (Commander, LM Pilot, CM Pilot respectively). To be fair, I did have to look up Richard Gordan's first name, but I remember Alan Bean from the fact that he was an artist after leaving NASA and used some moon dust in all his paintings. He also was a part of the Skylab 3 Mission. Pete Conrad I remember from the listing for Gemini 5, though he was commander on Gemini 11 alongside Richard Gordon who was pilot. I also remember him from the Skylab 2 mission which is memorable for it's rescue of what was at the time a doomed station. Apollo 12 was the first mission to do a precision landing. It landed near Surveyor 3, a probe that had landed in what is now known as the "known sea" because of the many lander missions in the area. They also were the first mission to land on the moon with a colour camera, though it was pointed into the sun by Alan Bean, destroying it. This actually lead to very little coverage of the mission. The crew had taken an timer for the camera's shutter, so that they could take a picture of both of them on the moon with the surveyor probe, which would mess with the post mission photo analysis, but it was lost on the EVA and plan was never carried out. There is always someone who does not conform to the analogy. In this case it is me.
I think It's kinda easy to remember "Richard" Gordon's name cause he's also called D*** But seriously, I got a bit confused cause I thought you meant that Alan Bean was on "Skylab 3" (the 3rd Skylab mission, Skylab 4), which was the one with the Space Mutiny , when you meant Skylab 3 or "Skylab 2", and I thought "I don't remember Al Bean being on the Space Mutiny?" As exceptions to analogies go, I guess you, me and Evan's dad have something in common.
Anne and Helge stopped in to visit my parents in Northwest River when they were first trying to locate a possible Viking settlement. My father was a minister covering many settlements along the coast of Labrador at the time and they wanted to know if he was familiar with a type of terrain they were looking for. He told them he didn't know of any place along the Labrador coast that sounded like what they were looking for, but it sounded like maybe L'Anse aux Meadows was what they were looking for. My father was the son of a fisherman, born in a now all but abandoned outport called Little Brehat north of St Anthony. Before becoming a minister, he had fished with his father and uncle out of L"Anse aux Meadows. The small point of land near where the viking settlement was found is called Colbourne Point.
From what I remember (I had a professor who was a serious JRRT fan), Tolkein was heavily influenced by Norse and Celtic mythology. Even the names of some of his characters are similar to those found in Beowulf.
@@MLeoDaalder Thanks! It's been years since I had that professor. Last I heard, he was still hosting annual holiday readings of Tolkien's works at his home. They are a huge event. Dozens of guests all take turns reading a chapter aloud. He was one of those rare "know-it-alls" who is actually interesting to listen to.
@@CynBH Radagast was named after a Slavic god, so he had at least some extent of influence from Slavic mythologies too, though I don't think to the same extent as Norse and Celtic. I don't know if it's even at all other than the one name, but I'm not familiar enough about the Slavic beliefs in the first place.
Interesting that St. Anthony is the name of that town. St. Anthony is Portugal's most famous saint. Born in Lisbon. The Portuguese were responsible for many names in the Maritmes. Portugal Cove, Bay of Fundy (Baía Funda), Fogo Island (Fogo means fire), Newfoundland and Labrador (Terra Nova e Lavrador), etc. The Portuguese in Canada have a joke... an early Portuguese explorer landed in Newfoundland, looked around and put up a sign that read CÁ NADA, which means Here Nothing, then buggered off. Canada also means a trail or dirt road in Portuguese. Vikings did their part, just think the Portuguese deserve some recognition too.
It was Portuguese explorers that mapped a lot of Newfoundland after it was re-discovered(technically of course). For example Labrador was named after João Fernandes Lavrador, one of the first explorers to check out the peninsula. Cape Spear is also a corruption of the Portuguese Cabo da Esperança.
You he mentioned that in his last video. Portuguese fishermen found the enormous cod schools up near newfoundland, mapped the area, and eventually built seasonal fishing towns in the area.
If only US history teachers would tell history unbiased as you do. Thank you for all you do! My 7 y.o. loves listening to your videos with me. He's becoming more and more interested in the TRUE past of this world!
@@henrysimpson9469 to a viking greenland is green. The inland is full of ice and snow, but so are Iceland and Norway. You can't sail there so who gives a shit
Norwegians have always been explorers. It's always great to read and see other Norwegians doing their part to rediscover our legacy. The Danes could never bury our history, but they certainly tried hard to claim ownership of it
Can you tell me more? I know that at some point there was a combined Denmark-Norway kingdom and that is why Denmark still claims ownership of Greenland. I always thought the vikings and explorers came from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark since they had a similar heritage at the time.
@@danaphanous The different countries went to different places. Norway was the country that mostly went north and west, away from France and England. In 1536 the Danish king removed the sovereignty of Norway, and made Copenhagen the only authority in the kingdom, going away from a union, to a single kingdom
thanks for showing true history , still more to come to light that will show the world that the world was more interconnected than the history book tell us .People have always traveled the globe but are buried in the sand of time and forgotten
In BC we were taught a lot more in school about George Vancouver and the Russians in Alaska than about Vinland or Columbus. We are as far away from those first two points of contact as Japan is from us and the first contact of western north America in my view is a story all its own somewhat separate from the east.
Also, the Portuguese were already fishing in the banks when Columbus landed. They may or may not have stopped over on Aqidneck to prep their catch at that time. They certainly were soon after the discovery.
i like the story of how when Europeans first sailed up to newfoundland and found basque fishermen who had been there for years. They just hadn't told anyone about their best fishing spots.
I find very engaging the way you narrate, your scripting style. I really like some of your videos! Will you ever make a video about how you structure and write your video blogs? Pleaseeee 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hey, I live in St. Anthony! It startled me when you said the name. I should specify before there's any confusion: St. Anthony, Minnesota. Still cold, not that cold.
You know its Rare Earth when in the middle of a story about vikings recorded in a Canadian backwater town you get a picture of a boat(6:10) whose name is written in Basque.
It always strikes me at how similar Canada looks to Sweden. Sometimes the only way I can tell it is NOT Sweden is when I see the differences in the signs, and I almost always ask "Is this Norway?" first.
Seekarr well mostly the maritime look just like coastal Northern Europe. Compare Newfoundland to Scotland, Ireland,Sweden, Norway they all share very similar looks. Source: I’m a Newfie
Same reason why I feel weird playing a certain game set up in Greece... Because the area's so much alike XD Cept Greece still has a sea, and South Dakota's dried up millennia ago. Lol
I too enjoy your videos, very eye opening. You find tidbits of the past and turn them into a journey that we all can learn about. Question though about the First Man, wouldn't that be the natives who were in the Americas before anyone else? Where did they come from?
First except for the Indigenous peoples that lived in this part of the world since the glaciers melted. Plus there's a lot more info out there about the Norse in terms of archaeology. Greenland wasn't as bad as we think. Norse were there for 500 years, developing the colonies into the premier exporter of ivory for medieval Europe and Inuit and Dorset groups lived in that part of the Arctic for centuries longer. It's only a difficult place to envision living if you have southern eyes. Part of the challenge for understanding how past peoples lived is to shift our perspective as best we can. Or talk to the folks that still live there and have infinitely more knowledge than what can be found in a book.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? The Vikings may have been the first Europeans to discover the new world but since they were never able to capitalize on the discovery, what difference does it make? The Wright Brothers may not have been the first to discover the secret to powered-heavier-than-air-flight, but they were the first to capitalize on it (if only briefly). In our world, it doesn't really matter if you discover something, it matters if you can make something of it.
Yeah, I always find it funny that the first European somehow gets so much more legitimacy. The North East Asians journey is much crazier when you considered that they went through ****ing Sashka (Yakutsk province, the coldest city on Earth) and Chukotka, along with Alaska and Canada, all the way down through the deserts and into the jungles and rainforests of South America where they built huge civilizations. The Vikings just simply explored the region.
The Vikings landing in America first is like in a thousand years, after WW3 and all historical records of the present time are lost, future humans landed on the Moon looking to colonize, only to find the sun-bleached flags, photos, and debris left behind by the Apollo Moon missions... Kinda crazy!
Good video. I like it best that there is no certainty about any of it, especially as there were nomadic people from the Siberian steppes that were the first in the Americas prehistory. This isn't mere pedantry. It simply doesn't matter to me whether we are the chicken or the egg. They both make pretty good meals.
So what I've learnt is that it doesn't matter if you are the first unless you go around shouting to everyone that you were. The actual act of being first is only half the part, the rest is to tell everyone! :)
As a European I don't really get the excitement of "the first to have been here." Where I live, my people have always lived here. For thousands of years. We think, they came from somewhere, but what does it matter? This is home to my people, forever. No one's first, we are timeless.
Only mistake I see is that L'Anse Aux Meadows isn't a part of St.Anthony itself. L'Anse Aux Meadows is part of the actual town of L'Anse Aux Meadows. I'm from the former. Other than that, I can some of the points of view. If you save some guys off a coast, aren't they technically first? I hope when you were filming it wasn't too cold. Once October is over, snow pretty much starts falling every other day and once December settles in, we don't see green grass until June.
Can you help us learn about Hudson's Bay Company and the fur trade and how it shaped Canada? As well as the struggle between Canada and America surrounding the fur trade?
If you are curious about other people who reached America before Columbus, read about Basques, who also reached Newfoundland, when our ancestors where looking for whales. Some historians have claimed that Basques where in fact, the first. 6:07 shows the boat "Itsas begia", or "Eye of the Sea" in Basque (this is clearly a later era boat, I know).
You really made me wanna visit those places. Also, good job traveling all over the places just to make your point :) Btw, did you change the title to not cause confusion with the new movie about Neil Armstrong?
Gotta take you to task on the notion that since the sagas were passed down orally for centuries before they were written down might mean they contain mistakes.... but nope, oral history has been shown to preserve geographic and geneaological information and more than print has and quite accurately too - whether with locating the site of Troy or as with one case I know of from one of the Edda's heroic lays, the site of a battle between where Atilla's sons died in Hungary, as told in Atlakvidha I think it is (dh=d-slash), Atlamal. The Vinland story and that of Leif ("lafe" by the way, not "leaf") have been the focus of the world's attention, but the reality is that Leif's colony and the Greenland colony were not the only voyagings told of in other sagas, of landings on yonder shores. Farley Mowat gets dissed for his "West-Viking" but I think that was a knee-jerk reaction from Canadians out to take him down who hadn't actually had any knowledge of the saga literature - or the landscape - that Mowat details out in that book . I haven't read "Far-Farers" which is about early pre-Norse mostly-Celtic voyages but I've read quite a bit of West-Viking when I had it,, and he tells more tales than just Ari Marson's having settled in a western land and living happily and wanting nothing to do with the Old World and its troubles and warring religions. "Great Ireland" is all too plausible, and so is the Norse evidence in Ungava which like Point Rosee has been debunked by archaeology, though I have disputes with what I've read about Payne River/Pamiok Island, though what I've read raises other considerations - about possible voyages from Scandinavia that had nothing to do with Iceland or Greenland and just bypassed them...- whether ones that got to Mexico and explain the story of red-bearded fair-haired blue-eyed gods from across the sea there and in Yucatan (same guy - Quetzalcoatl = Kukulcan) and in Peru (Viracocha, different guy) - but also explains Pamiok Island's European skull and also the lack of Christian elements from the possible Greenland connection. He (the skull in question) may not have had anything to do with Greenland - or left it because of Leif's wife forcing the colony to convert to Christianity... or was just a pagan exile from the religious persecutions in Norway and went straight to the New World beyond Greenland, knowing there was more lands to the west.... Same with the Isle of Newfoundland.... we know little about the Beothuk but we do know they had... red hair and blue eyes... and blue eyes are common also among the Montagnais/Innu. That there are no genetic traces remaining to determine if they may have been Celtic in origin is sad, as it might provide a basis for underscoring the story of Great Ireland.... and the idea of the Isles of the Blessed across the Western Sea. The Beothuk were called the Red Indians, the first to be called that, because they painted their bodies red...they were not dark-complexioned. Though Point Rosee's possible site turned out to be not-human bog iron, the stories around the Codroy River about the wreck of a longship appearing and disappearing in the sands of its bar are older than the Point Rosee dig.... and it fits the description of Hop just like the Miramachi did. But Hop wasn't assailed by the skraelings like Vinland was... if Hop was the Miramachi that's Mi'kmaq turf and one would hope there would be oral memory of the Norse presence...but the Glooscap story doesn't fit. Thing is, as you point out, Leif was not the first... he picked up others who were wrecked ....and if Mowat's West-Viking is as true as I think it is, there were lots of others. And Great Ireland, too, could have seen a population of druids fleeing the desecrations of the Isle of Wight and of Anglesey. And you've heard the story of Prince Henry Sinclair, I guess..... There's all kinds of other satellite-located sites in Newfoundland, including the Burin Peninsula and along the south coast; and myself I don't think L'Anse-aux-Meadows is even the Vinland Colony... it might even have nothing to do with Leif.....
re your epilogue about it being better than Greenland, you should read up on the Medieval Warming Period and how warm Greenland and points west were until the 14th Century, particularly the 11th and 12th but starting in the 9th. Longship-sized stonehouse frames are found across the Arctic and around Hudson Bay and Norse-style cairns are found even on the Bering Strait and there's a stonehouse at Unalaska... and rumours of stonehouses and runs in Southeast Alaska from a group whose spirits were called Oh-tinn and Ti (Tir/Tiu) according to what said runes allegedly say.. runes from the early Viking period when pagans began to flee Germania after the destruction of the Irminsul.... . followers of Tir whose shrine that was fled, and they had ships.... so the too-early-to-be-viking date on the Thor's Hammer cairn on the Payne River may fit with the era of Charlemagne's violent purge and desecration of the holiest shrines of pagan Germania and not be a Thor's Hammer at all, but a stone Irminsul. And as to why we have no records of such exile and refugees ... if you were fleeing the madness of the Conversion, would YOU want to let them know where you'd gone, or have any reason to write home? Anyyways Greenland's and Newfoundland's climate were a lot different 800-1350 AD and not like the are today. That there's no traces of any kind of berry or grape at L'Anse-aux-Meadows is one reason I don't think that site is Vinland...the other is there's no arable land for farming... or any sign of any large native population in the area to fill the role of the skraelings.
There are two competing oral histories of this event, and they offer utterly different stories. These changes occured before it was written down. Oral history produced mistakes, absolutely. All folk history contains errors. Like I said, they also contains truths, but they are rarely if ever 100% true. Leaf is how we pronounce the name in English, and as I've done in all countries so far, to keep systematic I speak my language my way. I too don't think he's first. That's the conclusion of the episode. :)
@@RareEarthSeries given that sagas are passed down within families, it's natural that their own family story would be seen as the first. And also the only, when it's fairly clear that people have been crossing the Atlantic since the Solutreans followed the edge of the marine icecap and since the days of Carthage and Punic Iberia and the Irish tales of the Tuatha, those that did not go beneath the land and become the people of the sidhe, going to the Uttermost West and beyond the circles of the world and the tradition since the ancient wars in the Isles between the Tuatha and giants and men that the Isles of the Blessed lay across the sea to the west. There are countless tales of tall, fair-haired, well-clothed chiefs on the New England coast before the first great depopulations before the Mayflower showed up. And some tribes like the Susquehannock who were aggressive as well as tall and red-haired (and cannibals). And if Quetzalcoatl/Kukulcan weren 't a few hundred years before Leif then I don't know who is, but it seems pretty clear he was Celtic or Nordic in origin..........the red-beard/hair is not just a Celtic trait, it's also a trait of the Vanir and also of Yngve/Frey among the Norse; and the Vanir may have been connected to the multi-sided war between the different tribes of gods and giants and men in the British Isles. Everyone assumes connections to the Viking era, and its (most often brutal) transition from the cults of Odin and Thor to Christianity, but the cults of Tir and Frey are older and pre-date the Great Years of Darkness (536-541 AD, which you probably know about huh?) and their parts of the North Germanic world had been hit by the ravages of the Conversion a few hundred years earlier. And about who else might have gone west, the Roman ravage of Gaul and Iberia likely saw a lot of Gauls and Punics seeking lands to the west to escape Roman rule. The close-mindedness of the anti-Diffusionists has kept a lot of properly critical thinking about the mound cultures and all those stone walls, and all the oral history of "blue-eyed Indians" around the Gulf of St. Lawrence and New England. Could be that the "Indians" who got wiped out by disease before the Mayflower and other settlement ships showed up were descendants of earlier waves of trans-Atlantic settlers...... we don't have enough DNA from them to know... and the Smithsonian keeps a lot locked up and the new law preventing DNA testing to protect Native American claims that remains are theirs is problematic. And given that Vinland was apparently a Christian colony, with Snorri being born there and later bishop of Iceland, it's odd that there's no sign at all of a crucifix or any other sign of Christianity among those using the site. What I meant about oral history being accurate applies especially to geography, like Hop's sandbar or the "wonderstrands". It doesn't apply to a particular family's version of a history being only their own...there's lots of stories of other voyages and landings. But even so, I don't think Vinlandasaga is about l'Anse-aux-Meadows. But I do think that Mowat's West-Viking needs a serious going-over by saga scholars in Iceland and Scandinava rather than taking at face value the Canadian academic-wet-blanket crowd who don't know Norse history or anything about the sagas. I also think the Codroy River ship-in-the-sands story needs to be investigated with Lidar... just because Point Rosee was a dud site doesn't mean that area might not have seen Norse activity where it WAS possible to beach..... You've heard about the runestone on some island near Falmouth MA that says "Leif Eriksson 1002 AD"? It's on a bombing range and so hasn't been studied....... What I haven't seen about the Ungava and NW Passage sites is any sign that the archaeologists have scoped the sites and cairns for runes - and/or ogham.
These vikings had pretty poor immagination with their naming :D Newfoundland, Vinland, Finland - to my swedish ear that all sounds like old norse for "some new place we just found".
The Danish/Swedish wars feels like Game of thrones. Under an ambush in Copenhagen Sweden lost 600+ soldiers who drown and Denmark 16 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Copenhagen_(1659) (More info if you look at Danish sites) I can imagine you walking on the Ice in Copenhagen telling that story.
This was fascinating - I appreciate you taking the time to expound on this topic - down here in America, there's still a lot of love for Columbus oddly.
You keep putting primary stress on the last syllable of "Newfoundland" and secondary on the first. Is that correct, in usual Canadian or especially usually Newfoundlander accents? I say it the other way around - accent on the first syllable, secondary stress or maybe not even that on the third. But I'm from the US South (and I'd be delighted to suggest the places around here that are very much Rare Earth), so I definitely wouldn't know.
As a Newfoundlander I can confirm he is saying it correctly, he clearly learnt it from a townie though lol ( townies are people from the st.johns area)
You know I’ve heard a lot about the basque people being the “first” to sail to the Americas. Seeing how they we’re whalers for avery long time the story, at least for them attempting to sail there, isn’t that far fetched. It’s been integrated into basque minds that they landed somewhere and probably died or came back. Just a footnote that needed mentioning.
Yes, absolutely. I thought about adding it, but it already felt like a fairly full script. We included a shot of a basque whaling ship in the video sort of as a teaser towards that very idea. I'd argue they were here before the "discovery" of the Americas, but definitely not the Norse. It would still be a few hundred years after the Norse arrived that the Basque started whaling, though I suspect they beat Columbus. Like the Vikings, however, they left little to no impression on the European mindset.
In 1976, Tim Severin and his crew successfully sailed across the North Atlantic in what they reckon is a historically accurate replica (Leather hulled curragh with a sail) of the boat St. Brendan used. The boat is on display in Craggaunowen in Co. Clare in Ireland - well worth a look if you're ever there. Here's some footage of the launch from Ireland's national broadcaster: www.rte.ie/archives/2016/0516/788736-5-men-in-leather-boat-to-cross-atlantic/ More here: ua-cam.com/video/wB2EsZhzVtE/v-deo.html
Basque and Iroquoian share a bunch of notably odd typological patterns, suggesting, if not a common ancestry, at least some degree of contact in the distant past. Similar things show up between Native American languages of the west coast and languages in Asia, too, with Korean, Tibetan and Chinese sharing many features and vocabulary with Navajo and O'odham. the name 'O'odham' itself is a cognate across Eurasia and the Americas, showing up in Hebrew as 'Adam', Navajo as 'dine' and Chinese as 'ren', all meaning 'person'. The world is smaller than modern minds like to think, particularly ones trained to believe that white European technology and written history is the only source of anything.
These "The Cherokee are the lost tribe of Israel" type myths have all been thoroughly debunked! Look up convergent evolution before you make claims based on language families/ similarities!
@@lhaviland8602 no, they have been thoroughly marginalized within some influential societies of linguists. also, you don't know what my full claim is, so you're hardly in a position to say that I'm wrong. I have compared attested grammars and lexicons of several thousand languages across Africa, Eurasia, the Pacific and the Americas, as well as dug into the motivations for claims about 'language families' like Indo-European and Sino-Tibetan, and my findings are that classical models of language divergence are pure garbage. Indo-European is not a family of genetically related languages, and neither is Sino-Tibetan, instead they are mostly composed of Bronze Age creoles, yielding a mechanism for not only all of the systematic sound changes, but also explaining their extreme rapidity and the very odd semantic shifts which characterize subfamilies like Germanic. this is a big problem for historical linguistics, because fucking everything that it throws at other languages to determine phylogeny hinges on the correctness of the assumption that IE is a valid taxon. that is, if Indo-European is not a valid taxon, then everything falls apart and you have to completely start over. You haven't been exposed to anyone who's done any of that start over groundwork, and so your claims that I have no idea what I'm talking about are baseless crap.
Chomskyan UG is also a consequence of misinterpreting the data. it basically stems from the question, 'why are languages so similar in so many ways outside of the language families we defined through mechanisms of politics and wishful thinking?' (early -mid-1800s- forms of the sentiments which blossomed into Nazism and British and Soviet interests played heavily into the notion of Indo-European, for instance) and lands on the answer of 'magical innateness'. it's further notable that UG is computationally impossible, since it is formally identical to an oracle machine, which is not physically realizable if the Church-Turing thesis is correct. it's further notable that no nativists are attempting to formally disprove the Church-Turing thesis, but instead operate exclusively by making vague commentary on shit that's only just good enough to keep their paychecks coming.
@@sumdumbmick Firstly, your point about language families being somewhat contrived/ not useful/ unrelated to ethnicity would actually serve to illustrate why claims of non-landbridge ancestry for various native american tribes are wildly improbable at best. Secondly, you do not seem to understand the process of academic review which guides modern science, and, indeed, linguistics. You appear to be mistaking the routine discrediting of old/ incorrect hypothesis for some nefarious "marginalization". This is not how science works! Although I'll admit that the language family model isn't perfect, it is still the best explanation we have for our observations of the world. Thirdly, you made the error of bringing Nazism into a discussion about an unrelated topic, and have therefore, by the rules of internet discourse, lost the debate. In short, I do not engage with die-hard conspiracy theorists. Good day.
Columbus really changed Europe. He may not have been the first, but he brought back crops that change history. And disease too. Think about tomatoes and potatoes. The word Corn used to mean any grain until Maize was discovered.
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Hi, isn't the Polynesians first discovered America?
While in Newfoundland are you going to do a video on operation yellow ribbon?
@@professorhasinabanu2199, Seriously ??? Some of my ancestors walked to the Americas, back when Europeans lived in caves...
Who are u?
you could have foregone the patreon for the chance to comment "first" on this video
just saying
If the internet means anything to the astronauts that go to mars then the first word on mars is definitely going to be “first”.
Considering that Elon is doing well in that front... It's not out of the realm of possibilities.
Somebody's gonna carefully write a momentous sentence for the occasion, like Armstrong's "one small step for man." And that somebody will be a suit on the ground, not the astronaut giving the speech... but their guidance about what to say will, like Armstrong, stop at that point, because the next thing you want to hear is a mission status report to do science with. Everything else will be unscripted.
Which is why we will all tune in to the livestream of our choice to watch somebody say one sentence of great import, quietly mutter "first," and then start doing science. In that order.
I thought it would be "sponsored by _________"
@@larkrogers3690 The first word would be the brand name. "_______ brings you..."
@@teucer915 I'd mutter 'first' first then get to the rest of the jazz
If I learned something about history (especially in the history of Science), its that its not about doing something first. Its about being first to make people care about what you did.
@Gev G Yeah thats right. Im thinking more in the direction of of scientists, who end up as footmark in historie, even though they were first. They discovered things first, but since they didnt know the right people, or they didnt know how to use/interpret the same discovery, they got forgotten. Later someone else has the same idear, but the abilities to get the fame too.
its not about making history, but writing it down
I just wanted to tell you how great your series Rare Earth is. I've watched about 5 episodes a day the past week and half always been left reflecting on myself, the world, and how we can make it a better place at the end of each. Keep up the good work!
I truly hope this channel doesn't become some bought out corporate media outlet.
Such an awesome channel and if you stick to these stories and shedding an unbias look at the world around us, this channel will blow beyond your wildest dreams. You are a great journalist.
I've been watching from home in St. John's since the beginning of the series so when I saw these two most recent videos of my little rock in the ocean I got very excited. I grew up in western Newfoundland and have visited L'anse aux Meadows several times. I love your style of narration and your ability to tell a nuanced and personal story instead of just taking cool drone shots and saying "we were here".
Thank you, Evan and crew. We appreciate your work.
I absolutly adore this series, thank you so much for making it, every video really enriches my day, Evan you are really someone I love listen to and Francesco, your camerawork is as excellent as always (especially in the last video about the heart of canada)
I don't know how many are involved in making this series, but I'm pretty sure they give their best and are excellent at their part.
Since it's 9 o'clock here in austria, I wish you all a nice evening
As a Dane hearing him pronounce Leif as "leaf" really confused me for a moment 😄
We debated pronouncing it correctly. We decided I'd stick to what I was raised on. :)
Its closer to how you would pronounce Life, than leaf
"Leyf"?
@@KyoushaPumpItUp No "Life" or "Lif" is very accurate.
Nikolai Leerskov oh. Thanks.
"Thanks coastline, you have rocks" 😂 😂
"I would like you to think of the crew of Apollo 12" So Pete Conrad, Al Bean and Richard Gordon (Commander, LM Pilot, CM Pilot respectively). To be fair, I did have to look up Richard Gordan's first name, but I remember Alan Bean from the fact that he was an artist after leaving NASA and used some moon dust in all his paintings. He also was a part of the Skylab 3 Mission. Pete Conrad I remember from the listing for Gemini 5, though he was commander on Gemini 11 alongside Richard Gordon who was pilot. I also remember him from the Skylab 2 mission which is memorable for it's rescue of what was at the time a doomed station.
Apollo 12 was the first mission to do a precision landing. It landed near Surveyor 3, a probe that had landed in what is now known as the "known sea" because of the many lander missions in the area. They also were the first mission to land on the moon with a colour camera, though it was pointed into the sun by Alan Bean, destroying it. This actually lead to very little coverage of the mission. The crew had taken an timer for the camera's shutter, so that they could take a picture of both of them on the moon with the surveyor probe, which would mess with the post mission photo analysis, but it was lost on the EVA and plan was never carried out.
There is always someone who does not conform to the analogy. In this case it is me.
showoff
lol but seriously I'm impressed
I think It's kinda easy to remember "Richard" Gordon's name cause he's also called D***
But seriously, I got a bit confused cause I thought you meant that Alan Bean was on "Skylab 3" (the 3rd Skylab mission, Skylab 4), which was the one with the Space Mutiny , when you meant Skylab 3 or "Skylab 2", and I thought "I don't remember Al Bean being on the Space Mutiny?"
As exceptions to analogies go, I guess you, me and Evan's dad have something in common.
guess they should rename Skylab-1 to Skylab-0 and so-on
I'm currently studying in Trondheim, Norway. The exact same statue of Leif Ericson can be found in the harbour there.
I am going to wager that its simply a similar looking one, and not the exact same one ;)
@@GreenLarsen They do make multiple copies of the same statue from time to time.
Anne and Helge stopped in to visit my parents in Northwest River when they were first trying to locate a possible Viking settlement. My father was a minister covering many settlements along the coast of Labrador at the time and they wanted to know if he was familiar with a type of terrain they were looking for. He told them he didn't know of any place along the Labrador coast that sounded like what they were looking for, but it sounded like maybe L'Anse aux Meadows was what they were looking for. My father was the son of a fisherman, born in a now all but abandoned outport called Little Brehat north of St Anthony. Before becoming a minister, he had fished with his father and uncle out of L"Anse aux Meadows. The small point of land near where the viking settlement was found is called Colbourne Point.
By any chance did early Irish traditions affected the works of Tolkien?
_Heaven was seen as a land across the western sea_
From what I remember (I had a professor who was a serious JRRT fan), Tolkein was heavily influenced by Norse and Celtic mythology. Even the names of some of his characters are similar to those found in Beowulf.
@@CynBH The names of the Dwarves and Gandalf himself are directly from lists of Dwarven names of the Poetic Edda (one of the Norse Saga's).
@@MLeoDaalder Thanks! It's been years since I had that professor. Last I heard, he was still hosting annual holiday readings of Tolkien's works at his home. They are a huge event. Dozens of guests all take turns reading a chapter aloud. He was one of those rare "know-it-alls" who is actually interesting to listen to.
@@CynBH Radagast was named after a Slavic god, so he had at least some extent of influence from Slavic mythologies too, though I don't think to the same extent as Norse and Celtic. I don't know if it's even at all other than the one name, but I'm not familiar enough about the Slavic beliefs in the first place.
Not that I mind the extra info, but why is everyone responding to me when it wasn't me who asked the original question?? It was Kaustubh Verma 🤔
Interesting that St. Anthony is the name of that town. St. Anthony is Portugal's most famous saint. Born in Lisbon. The Portuguese were responsible for many names in the Maritmes. Portugal Cove, Bay of Fundy (Baía Funda), Fogo Island (Fogo means fire), Newfoundland and Labrador (Terra Nova e Lavrador), etc. The Portuguese in Canada have a joke... an early Portuguese explorer landed in Newfoundland, looked around and put up a sign that read CÁ NADA, which means Here Nothing, then buggered off. Canada also means a trail or dirt road in Portuguese. Vikings did their part, just think the Portuguese deserve some recognition too.
It was Portuguese explorers that mapped a lot of Newfoundland after it was re-discovered(technically of course). For example Labrador was named after João Fernandes Lavrador, one of the first explorers to check out the peninsula. Cape Spear is also a corruption of the Portuguese Cabo da Esperança.
You he mentioned that in his last video. Portuguese fishermen found the enormous cod schools up near newfoundland, mapped the area, and eventually built seasonal fishing towns in the area.
@@danaphanous basque fishermen**
Scraelings..... Those sagas are a good read. Brilliant video
I was just researching about this place since your last video, and now you've covered it in detail. Thanks!
Been binging this channel for the past few days, it's awesome.
I said i before, I'm saying it again. your channel is so underrated..
If only US history teachers would tell history unbiased as you do. Thank you for all you do! My 7 y.o. loves listening to your videos with me. He's becoming more and more interested in the TRUE past of this world!
Unfortunately (or not) Greenland is getting relatively warm these days.
as it did when the Vikings landed,.. nothing unfortunate about that.
@@scottywills124 Actually it was only green the outer parameters and was named Greenland to trick people to sign up to emigrate there.
@@henrysimpson9469 Yes,. the coastline was the only patch of green. What did you think I meant??
@@henrysimpson9469 to a viking greenland is green. The inland is full of ice and snow, but so are Iceland and Norway. You can't sail there so who gives a shit
@@erikarneberg11 Inland. To the snow.
There are two really great storytellers on UA-cam. You and Tom Scott (because of him I found you). Thank you!
Love the series.
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Norwegians have always been explorers. It's always great to read and see other Norwegians doing their part to rediscover our legacy. The Danes could never bury our history, but they certainly tried hard to claim ownership of it
Can you tell me more? I know that at some point there was a combined Denmark-Norway kingdom and that is why Denmark still claims ownership of Greenland. I always thought the vikings and explorers came from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark since they had a similar heritage at the time.
Leifur Eiríksson was most likely born in Iceland! :)
@@binnihh Icelandic people were Norwegians at the time, and are descendants of Norwegians today
@@danaphanous The different countries went to different places. Norway was the country that mostly went north and west, away from France and England. In 1536 the Danish king removed the sovereignty of Norway, and made Copenhagen the only authority in the kingdom, going away from a union, to a single kingdom
HolycrapLOL. You don't have to tell me that, I live there, always have.
this channel needs more views
Please tell me you went up to Labrador, I've been dying to see someone cover Nunatsiavut for years, there's not a single good video online about it.
I hope he does but if he finds Newfoundland cold you know he'll freeze if he goes up north of goose bay lol
thanks for showing true history , still more to come to light that will show the world that the world was more interconnected
than the history book tell us .People have always traveled the globe but are buried in the sand of time and forgotten
Loved the blurb at the end! Nice surprise!
The 'first' was like, 20,000 years before any Viking ever lived.
Actually about 12-15,000 years!
Correct dates matter!
>Thanks coastline, you have rocks
Man I died laughing at that. Needed to write this comment in order to move on.
In BC we were taught a lot more in school about George Vancouver and the Russians in Alaska than about Vinland or Columbus. We are as far away from those first two points of contact as Japan is from us and the first contact of western north America in my view is a story all its own somewhat separate from the east.
Another great video from my favourite channel
I love the historical storytelling. Wonder if there's any channels like this
Also, the Portuguese were already fishing in the banks when Columbus landed. They may or may not have stopped over on Aqidneck to prep their catch at that time. They certainly were soon after the discovery.
The bones of Irish monks where found in Iceland by Vikings. The Vikings had said they the last monk die of some 70 years before they got to Iceland.
i like the story of how when Europeans first sailed up to newfoundland and found basque fishermen who had been there for years. They just hadn't told anyone about their best fishing spots.
RareEarth you should visit australia sometime, do a story on the first peoples
Pete Conrad, Alan Bean, and whatshisname who stayed in orbit. Those CM pilots are the least memorable ones of the lot.
Don Sample Least remembered for sure, but I wouldn't say they were the least memorable. Remarkable pilots and explorers all of them.
Great video
you didnt even watch it
_Sea you are the first man
Ya missed a fantastic opportunity here mate
First
THANKS COASTLINE, YOU HAVE ROCKS
I find very engaging the way you narrate, your scripting style. I really like some of your videos!
Will you ever make a video about how you structure and write your video blogs? Pleaseeee 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hey, I live in St. Anthony! It startled me when you said the name.
I should specify before there's any confusion: St. Anthony, Minnesota. Still cold, not that cold.
You know its Rare Earth when in the middle of a story about vikings recorded in a Canadian backwater town you get a picture of a boat(6:10) whose name is written in Basque.
It always strikes me at how similar Canada looks to Sweden. Sometimes the only way I can tell it is NOT Sweden is when I see the differences in the signs, and I almost always ask "Is this Norway?" first.
Seekarr Samma här!
Seekarr well mostly the maritime look just like coastal Northern Europe. Compare Newfoundland to Scotland, Ireland,Sweden, Norway they all share very similar looks.
Source: I’m a Newfie
Same reason why I feel weird playing a certain game set up in Greece...
Because the area's so much alike XD
Cept Greece still has a sea, and South Dakota's dried up millennia ago. Lol
I think Canada is a heck of a lot colder than Sweden in the winter.
I too enjoy your videos, very eye opening. You find tidbits of the past and turn them into a journey that we all can learn about. Question though about the First Man, wouldn't that be the natives who were in the Americas before anyone else? Where did they come from?
They came across a strip of land between Siberia and Alaska that existed due to lower sea-levels following the last ice-age.
Well presented, thanks from Orlando
Excellent video
First except for the Indigenous peoples that lived in this part of the world since the glaciers melted. Plus there's a lot more info out there about the Norse in terms of archaeology. Greenland wasn't as bad as we think. Norse were there for 500 years, developing the colonies into the premier exporter of ivory for medieval Europe and Inuit and Dorset groups lived in that part of the Arctic for centuries longer. It's only a difficult place to envision living if you have southern eyes. Part of the challenge for understanding how past peoples lived is to shift our perspective as best we can. Or talk to the folks that still live there and have infinitely more knowledge than what can be found in a book.
Thanks you very much for your videos, they are really cool and interesting ;)
When dropping first, always remember to leave a corpse
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
The Vikings may have been the first Europeans to discover the new world but since they were never able to capitalize on the discovery, what difference does it make?
The Wright Brothers may not have been the first to discover the secret to powered-heavier-than-air-flight, but they were the first to capitalize on it (if only briefly). In our world, it doesn't really matter if you discover something, it matters if you can make something of it.
Well I would say the native Americans where there first in north America... kinda obvious or?
Yeah, I always find it funny that the first European somehow gets so much more legitimacy. The North East Asians journey is much crazier when you considered that they went through ****ing Sashka (Yakutsk province, the coldest city on Earth) and Chukotka, along with Alaska and Canada, all the way down through the deserts and into the jungles and rainforests of South America where they built huge civilizations. The Vikings just simply explored the region.
For thousands and thousands of years...;)
Seekarr took thousands of years
Well some think that using a shorcut through the bering strait doesn't count :P (It does)
It is a different kind of first.
Rare Earth=Poetry
"thanks coastline. you have rocks"
The Vikings landing in America first is like in a thousand years, after WW3 and all historical records of the present time are lost, future humans landed on the Moon looking to colonize, only to find the sun-bleached flags, photos, and debris left behind by the Apollo Moon missions... Kinda crazy!
Good video. I like it best that there is no certainty about any of it, especially as there were nomadic people from the Siberian steppes that were the first in the Americas prehistory. This isn't mere pedantry. It simply doesn't matter to me whether we are the chicken or the egg. They both make pretty good meals.
On the west coast some of the First Nations had trade with Japan. One area even had a graveyard in the Japanese style
I love this show. I hate that I watched all of the content in a week
So what I've learnt is that it doesn't matter if you are the first unless you go around shouting to everyone that you were. The actual act of being first is only half the part, the rest is to tell everyone! :)
As a European I don't really get the excitement of "the first to have been here." Where I live, my people have always lived here. For thousands of years. We think, they came from somewhere, but what does it matter? This is home to my people, forever. No one's first, we are timeless.
In Civil Engineering graduate school I once heard a colleague chastised for calling soil, "dirt". Soil is noble, dirt is dirty.
Doesn't the extension of the appalachian trail go all the way up there and end at the northern tip of the island?
Happy lief Ericksons day! Hinga dinga dergin!
First! No? Eighteenth!
*plants flag and stares imperiously at previous seventeen commenters*
Do a video on Oak Island, Nova Scotia...Please...do it for us, your faithful followers
They actually proved that Brendan could have theoretically made it with what he would have had.
I remember when this video was called "First Man"
Some of these shots reminded me of What Remains of Edith Finch
Only mistake I see is that L'Anse Aux Meadows isn't a part of St.Anthony itself. L'Anse Aux Meadows is part of the actual town of L'Anse Aux Meadows. I'm from the former.
Other than that, I can some of the points of view. If you save some guys off a coast, aren't they technically first?
I hope when you were filming it wasn't too cold. Once October is over, snow pretty much starts falling every other day and once December settles in, we don't see green grass until June.
Can you help us learn about Hudson's Bay Company and the fur trade and how it shaped Canada? As well as the struggle between Canada and America surrounding the fur trade?
If you are curious about other people who reached America before Columbus, read about Basques, who also reached Newfoundland, when our ancestors where looking for whales. Some historians have claimed that Basques where in fact, the first. 6:07 shows the boat "Itsas begia", or "Eye of the Sea" in Basque (this is clearly a later era boat, I know).
You really made me wanna visit those places. Also, good job traveling all over the places just to make your point :)
Btw, did you change the title to not cause confusion with the new movie about Neil Armstrong?
how did I never notice the credits before now, ive been watching this almost since the beginning holy shit
the Rock and Newfoundlanders are just about the best part of Canada there is.
Another mighty fine episode! Also: "Thanks coastline, you have rocks" Well played sir, well played. :D :D
Gotta take you to task on the notion that since the sagas were passed down orally for centuries before they were written down might mean they contain mistakes.... but nope, oral history has been shown to preserve geographic and geneaological information and more than print has and quite accurately too - whether with locating the site of Troy or as with one case I know of from one of the Edda's heroic lays, the site of a battle between where Atilla's sons died in Hungary, as told in Atlakvidha I think it is (dh=d-slash), Atlamal.
The Vinland story and that of Leif ("lafe" by the way, not "leaf") have been the focus of the world's attention, but the reality is that Leif's colony and the Greenland colony were not the only voyagings told of in other sagas, of landings on yonder shores. Farley Mowat gets dissed for his "West-Viking" but I think that was a knee-jerk reaction from Canadians out to take him down who hadn't actually had any knowledge of the saga literature - or the landscape - that Mowat details out in that book . I haven't read "Far-Farers" which is about early pre-Norse mostly-Celtic voyages but I've read quite a bit of West-Viking when I had it,, and he tells more tales than just Ari Marson's having settled in a western land and living happily and wanting nothing to do with the Old World and its troubles and warring religions.
"Great Ireland" is all too plausible, and so is the Norse evidence in Ungava which like Point Rosee has been debunked by archaeology, though I have disputes with what I've read about Payne River/Pamiok Island, though what I've read raises other considerations - about possible voyages from Scandinavia that had nothing to do with Iceland or Greenland and just bypassed them...- whether ones that got to Mexico and explain the story of red-bearded fair-haired blue-eyed gods from across the sea there and in Yucatan (same guy - Quetzalcoatl = Kukulcan) and in Peru (Viracocha, different guy) - but also explains Pamiok Island's European skull and also the lack of Christian elements from the possible Greenland connection. He (the skull in question) may not have had anything to do with Greenland - or left it because of Leif's wife forcing the colony to convert to Christianity... or was just a pagan exile from the religious persecutions in Norway and went straight to the New World beyond Greenland, knowing there was more lands to the west....
Same with the Isle of Newfoundland.... we know little about the Beothuk but we do know they had... red hair and blue eyes... and blue eyes are common also among the Montagnais/Innu. That there are no genetic traces remaining to determine if they may have been Celtic in origin is sad, as it might provide a basis for underscoring the story of Great Ireland.... and the idea of the Isles of the Blessed across the Western Sea. The Beothuk were called the Red Indians, the first to be called that, because they painted their bodies red...they were not dark-complexioned.
Though Point Rosee's possible site turned out to be not-human bog iron, the stories around the Codroy River about the wreck of a longship appearing and disappearing in the sands of its bar are older than the Point Rosee dig.... and it fits the description of Hop just like the Miramachi did.
But Hop wasn't assailed by the skraelings like Vinland was... if Hop was the Miramachi that's Mi'kmaq turf and one would hope there would be oral memory of the Norse presence...but the Glooscap story doesn't fit.
Thing is, as you point out, Leif was not the first... he picked up others who were wrecked ....and if Mowat's West-Viking is as true as I think it is, there were lots of others.
And Great Ireland, too, could have seen a population of druids fleeing the desecrations of the Isle of Wight and of Anglesey.
And you've heard the story of Prince Henry Sinclair, I guess.....
There's all kinds of other satellite-located sites in Newfoundland, including the Burin Peninsula and along the south coast; and myself I don't think L'Anse-aux-Meadows is even the Vinland Colony... it might even have nothing to do with Leif.....
re your epilogue about it being better than Greenland, you should read up on the Medieval Warming Period and how warm Greenland and points west were until the 14th Century, particularly the 11th and 12th but starting in the 9th. Longship-sized stonehouse frames are found across the Arctic and around Hudson Bay and Norse-style cairns are found even on the Bering Strait and there's a stonehouse at Unalaska... and rumours of stonehouses and runs in Southeast Alaska from a group whose spirits were called Oh-tinn and Ti (Tir/Tiu) according to what said runes allegedly say.. runes from the early Viking period when pagans began to flee Germania after the destruction of the Irminsul.... . followers of Tir whose shrine that was fled, and they had ships.... so the too-early-to-be-viking date on the Thor's Hammer cairn on the Payne River may fit with the era of Charlemagne's violent purge and desecration of the holiest shrines of pagan Germania and not be a Thor's Hammer at all, but a stone Irminsul.
And as to why we have no records of such exile and refugees ... if you were fleeing the madness of the Conversion, would YOU want to let them know where you'd gone, or have any reason to write home?
Anyyways Greenland's and Newfoundland's climate were a lot different 800-1350 AD and not like the are today.
That there's no traces of any kind of berry or grape at L'Anse-aux-Meadows is one reason I don't think that site is Vinland...the other is there's no arable land for farming... or any sign of any large native population in the area to fill the role of the skraelings.
There are two competing oral histories of this event, and they offer utterly different stories. These changes occured before it was written down. Oral history produced mistakes, absolutely.
All folk history contains errors. Like I said, they also contains truths, but they are rarely if ever 100% true.
Leaf is how we pronounce the name in English, and as I've done in all countries so far, to keep systematic I speak my language my way.
I too don't think he's first. That's the conclusion of the episode. :)
@@RareEarthSeries given that sagas are passed down within families, it's natural that their own family story would be seen as the first. And also the only, when it's fairly clear that people have been crossing the Atlantic since the Solutreans followed the edge of the marine icecap and since the days of Carthage and Punic Iberia and the Irish tales of the Tuatha, those that did not go beneath the land and become the people of the sidhe, going to the Uttermost West and beyond the circles of the world and the tradition since the ancient wars in the Isles between the Tuatha and giants and men that the Isles of the Blessed lay across the sea to the west.
There are countless tales of tall, fair-haired, well-clothed chiefs on the New England coast before the first great depopulations before the Mayflower showed up. And some tribes like the Susquehannock who were aggressive as well as tall and red-haired (and cannibals). And if Quetzalcoatl/Kukulcan weren 't a few hundred years before Leif then I don't know who is, but it seems pretty clear he was Celtic or Nordic in origin..........the red-beard/hair is not just a Celtic trait, it's also a trait of the Vanir and also of Yngve/Frey among the Norse; and the Vanir may have been connected to the multi-sided war between the different tribes of gods and giants and men in the British Isles. Everyone assumes connections to the Viking era, and its (most often brutal) transition from the cults of Odin and Thor to Christianity, but the cults of Tir and Frey are older and pre-date the Great Years of Darkness (536-541 AD, which you probably know about huh?) and their parts of the North Germanic world had been hit by the ravages of the Conversion a few hundred years earlier.
And about who else might have gone west, the Roman ravage of Gaul and Iberia likely saw a lot of Gauls and Punics seeking lands to the west to escape Roman rule.
The close-mindedness of the anti-Diffusionists has kept a lot of properly critical thinking about the mound cultures and all those stone walls, and all the oral history of "blue-eyed Indians" around the Gulf of St. Lawrence and New England.
Could be that the "Indians" who got wiped out by disease before the Mayflower and other settlement ships showed up were descendants of earlier waves of trans-Atlantic settlers...... we don't have enough DNA from them to know... and the Smithsonian keeps a lot locked up and the new law preventing DNA testing to protect Native American claims that remains are theirs is problematic. And given that Vinland was apparently a Christian colony, with Snorri being born there and later bishop of Iceland, it's odd that there's no sign at all of a crucifix or any other sign of Christianity among those using the site.
What I meant about oral history being accurate applies especially to geography, like Hop's sandbar or the "wonderstrands". It doesn't apply to a particular family's version of a history being only their own...there's lots of stories of other voyages and landings. But even so, I don't think Vinlandasaga is about l'Anse-aux-Meadows. But I do think that Mowat's West-Viking needs a serious going-over by saga scholars in Iceland and Scandinava rather than taking at face value the Canadian academic-wet-blanket crowd who don't know Norse history or anything about the sagas. I also think the Codroy River ship-in-the-sands story needs to be investigated with Lidar... just because Point Rosee was a dud site doesn't mean that area might not have seen Norse activity where it WAS possible to beach.....
You've heard about the runestone on some island near Falmouth MA that says "Leif Eriksson 1002 AD"? It's on a bombing range and so hasn't been studied.......
What I haven't seen about the Ungava and NW Passage sites is any sign that the archaeologists have scoped the sites and cairns for runes - and/or ogham.
jeez, you guys are good at this shit
That disclaimer at the end lol
These vikings had pretty poor immagination with their naming :D Newfoundland, Vinland, Finland - to my swedish ear that all sounds like old norse for "some new place we just found".
The Danish/Swedish wars feels like Game of thrones.
Under an ambush in Copenhagen Sweden lost 600+ soldiers who drown and Denmark 16
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Copenhagen_(1659)
(More info if you look at Danish sites)
I can imagine you walking on the Ice in Copenhagen telling that story.
Good video
I was all impressed for a second that you pronounced Newfoundland correctly.... But then I remembered that you are Canadian. 😂
This was fascinating - I appreciate you taking the time to expound on this topic - down here in America, there's still a lot of love for Columbus oddly.
You keep putting primary stress on the last syllable of "Newfoundland" and secondary on the first. Is that correct, in usual Canadian or especially usually Newfoundlander accents? I say it the other way around - accent on the first syllable, secondary stress or maybe not even that on the third. But I'm from the US South (and I'd be delighted to suggest the places around here that are very much Rare Earth), so I definitely wouldn't know.
As a Newfoundlander I can confirm he is saying it correctly, he clearly learnt it from a townie though lol ( townies are people from the st.johns area)
its pronounced more like newfn-land
You know I’ve heard a lot about the basque people being the “first” to sail to the Americas. Seeing how they we’re whalers for avery long time the story, at least for them attempting to sail there, isn’t that far fetched. It’s been integrated into basque minds that they landed somewhere and probably died or came back. Just a footnote that needed mentioning.
Yes, absolutely. I thought about adding it, but it already felt like a fairly full script. We included a shot of a basque whaling ship in the video sort of as a teaser towards that very idea.
I'd argue they were here before the "discovery" of the Americas, but definitely not the Norse. It would still be a few hundred years after the Norse arrived that the Basque started whaling, though I suspect they beat Columbus. Like the Vikings, however, they left little to no impression on the European mindset.
Thing is, these claims with travels to far-away lands are anchored in alot of different culture-groups.
Hey Evan, i met your father yesterday at Ryerson!
Heyyyy my Grandma was from St. Anthony :)
In 1976, Tim Severin and his crew successfully sailed across the North Atlantic in what they reckon is a historically accurate replica (Leather hulled curragh with a sail) of the boat St. Brendan used. The boat is on display in Craggaunowen in Co. Clare in Ireland - well worth a look if you're ever there. Here's some footage of the launch from Ireland's national broadcaster: www.rte.ie/archives/2016/0516/788736-5-men-in-leather-boat-to-cross-atlantic/
More here: ua-cam.com/video/wB2EsZhzVtE/v-deo.html
I'd be ashamed were my comment qualified upon the basis of order and not content I'd offered.
What's not easily discovered often carries higher values anyways.
@@thomaschase1719 Hehe, I see what you did there and I agree, often in life the easy way bears the smaler fruit
Well played Thomas Chase, well played.
"Music by BACKGROUND NOISES from TheCoastline.com (thanks coastline, you have rocks)"
Well played.
Pete Conrad! A short, compact balding wise cracking man, (much like me). But the third man on the moon.
It's like Neil Armstrong picked up some shipwrecked folks on the moon. :D
So when you going to Greenland then?
Basque and Iroquoian share a bunch of notably odd typological patterns, suggesting, if not a common ancestry, at least some degree of contact in the distant past.
Similar things show up between Native American languages of the west coast and languages in Asia, too, with Korean, Tibetan and Chinese sharing many features and vocabulary with Navajo and O'odham. the name 'O'odham' itself is a cognate across Eurasia and the Americas, showing up in Hebrew as 'Adam', Navajo as 'dine' and Chinese as 'ren', all meaning 'person'.
The world is smaller than modern minds like to think, particularly ones trained to believe that white European technology and written history is the only source of anything.
These "The Cherokee are the lost tribe of Israel" type myths have all been thoroughly debunked! Look up convergent evolution before you make claims based on language families/ similarities!
@@lhaviland8602 no, they have been thoroughly marginalized within some influential societies of linguists. also, you don't know what my full claim is, so you're hardly in a position to say that I'm wrong.
I have compared attested grammars and lexicons of several thousand languages across Africa, Eurasia, the Pacific and the Americas, as well as dug into the motivations for claims about 'language families' like Indo-European and Sino-Tibetan, and my findings are that classical models of language divergence are pure garbage. Indo-European is not a family of genetically related languages, and neither is Sino-Tibetan, instead they are mostly composed of Bronze Age creoles, yielding a mechanism for not only all of the systematic sound changes, but also explaining their extreme rapidity and the very odd semantic shifts which characterize subfamilies like Germanic. this is a big problem for historical linguistics, because fucking everything that it throws at other languages to determine phylogeny hinges on the correctness of the assumption that IE is a valid taxon. that is, if Indo-European is not a valid taxon, then everything falls apart and you have to completely start over. You haven't been exposed to anyone who's done any of that start over groundwork, and so your claims that I have no idea what I'm talking about are baseless crap.
Chomskyan UG is also a consequence of misinterpreting the data. it basically stems from the question, 'why are languages so similar in so many ways outside of the language families we defined through mechanisms of politics and wishful thinking?' (early -mid-1800s- forms of the sentiments which blossomed into Nazism and British and Soviet interests played heavily into the notion of Indo-European, for instance) and lands on the answer of 'magical innateness'. it's further notable that UG is computationally impossible, since it is formally identical to an oracle machine, which is not physically realizable if the Church-Turing thesis is correct. it's further notable that no nativists are attempting to formally disprove the Church-Turing thesis, but instead operate exclusively by making vague commentary on shit that's only just good enough to keep their paychecks coming.
@@sumdumbmick Firstly, your point about language families being somewhat contrived/ not useful/ unrelated to ethnicity would actually serve to illustrate why claims of non-landbridge ancestry for various native american tribes are wildly improbable at best.
Secondly, you do not seem to understand the process of academic review which guides modern science, and, indeed, linguistics. You appear to be mistaking the routine discrediting of old/ incorrect hypothesis for some nefarious "marginalization". This is not how science works! Although I'll admit that the language family model isn't perfect, it is still the best explanation we have for our observations of the world.
Thirdly, you made the error of bringing Nazism into a discussion about an unrelated topic, and have therefore, by the rules of internet discourse, lost the debate.
In short, I do not engage with die-hard conspiracy theorists. Good day.
Curious that you continue to engage while claiming that you won't.
Whoop! On time!
So, this is the place where the happenings of the first episode of American God took place!
Alan Bean and Pete Conrad ?
Columbus was not the first old worlder to discover america, but he was the only one that mattered.
Graças a vocês estou vendo isso.
Columbus really changed Europe. He may not have been the first, but he brought back crops that change history. And disease too. Think about tomatoes and potatoes. The word Corn used to mean any grain until Maize was discovered.
How awesome is it to travel around the globe and film documentaries about your voyage?
Pretty awesome.