Here's a little non-sequitur for you: As someone who hates loud noises myself, even I know there are better ways of dealing with it than abusing the source of it.
Don't know if it was intentional,but I really like dollface's almost child like and innocent...ish personality in contrast with a goddamn semi truck using a crashed police car as a bumper that she drives. And also I love the "character that looks more evil than it really is" trope
Oh yeah, like HE hasn't killed any kids before... Maybe he draws the line at killing babies which, given him, it's because they weren't given the chance to learn the concept of suffering... I'm not crazy, I swear!!
@nattesnovgrel5172Which is,despite being a psychopath, INCREDIBLY justifiable for anyone to feel. Imagine god allowing this absolute horrific monster to curse another one without issue.Most would be frustrated.
Too me Baby Dolls is the one that hurts the most from the changes. Making it her Dad puts a whole other spin on her Story. It went from a confusing Story of how she let her Boss do this to her, to it being her Dad. Someone she trusted while she was still to young to fight back. Far more believable and tragic.
@@jak199527 Well it leads to many questions as to why she chose to work for a Boss that was that unhinged. To me a Child being forced to endure her deranged Father leads to less question and becomes easier to accept. I understand why they made the changes and had to just leave those Plot Holes due to limited time to tell the Story, its just that the Story is less bumpy the other way.
@@inuiri8365 Cause back then Sony was strict. The creator of twisted and the team wanted them to stay but Sony higher ups wanted them out. Fun fact, in the UK version of Twisted Metal Black are all out.
And even if they're considered non-cannon, her having the mask put on so early makes more sense for her Harbor City/lost story of her head being crushed by the mask as she was still growing. Doesn't quite make sense a Collage age girl who had a job would still be growing.
@@ejm1225 Hell, with Minion, they ended up actually forgetting in his case until the last minute, and Jaffe just wrote the "Minion Codes" as a last minute solution as he had a bad case of the flu.
Sad they had to turn down the Dollface story. I understand they didn't want to put child abuse, but interestingly enough they may have also overcompensated by splitting their filial relationship. It could've been fine if they kept her at her college age and still make them family. It also lessened a lot the impact and consequences of her ending, from just killing a random asshole dude to killing her own father.
Theirs a lot in the manuals that goes further still. Doll face hints more at the fact that her anxious personality is as a result of abuse from her dad.
I still remember the beta cutscenes for the original. The talk about speaking over Black's ending just unlocked TM1 Calypso screaming "BLAAAAACK! BLAAAAACK! NO, BLLAAAAAACK!!!!" Iin my brain.
The voice over is said to be Mr. Ash. Marcus Kane, Calypso and Black are the only ones aware of being inside Needles Kane's mind. The reasoning why Black is in Twisted Metal Black is because in the mind of Sweet Tooth, Mr. Ash as an entity just doesn't exist. In Darkside's Twisted Metal 1 ending, Mr. Ash wants his demon Black back. When he gets Black back, Calypso gets very upset. This is because Black is sent on a mission to kill a darker, more evil Calypso in the "Black" universe.
@@dessadoo It's all a matter of the execution. If he can say it with perfect cadence and rhythm it can work very well, but it can be somewhat of a tongue twister.
When it comes to psychological horror, less is indeed more at it's far more terrifying to let the audience fill in the blanks rather than to spell it out in detail...
I kinda like Black's normal voice. More scarier when you think of horrible things that he would say. Imagine him saying, "You can't run forever, Calypso." In a monotone voice. Sends chills up my spine
Dollface was always my favorite. There was something about her taking the key at the end, not to remove her mask but just to get her revenge against the man that hurt her that always made her a little more demented.
I love your Twisted Metal content. I'm grateful for randomly getting recommended one of your TW videos several months ago because I've ended up binging a ton
Crazy 8 fucked me up back in the day. Did his story once and never again to not have to see the body horror face anymore in my childhood. can't imagine the nightmares I'd have had if the whole procedure was shown
Pre rendered ps2 models tends to make a game come across as unintentionally creepy in my eyes like the orignal gow's cutscenes have this type of horror vibe to it that's quite hard to describe. It might be it's desaturated colors and low resolution that makes for a very uncanny look to it that makes it look quite harsh. But man twisted metal black's character renders fits this mold and boy to this day some of them legit creep me and that includes crazy 8 and even sweet tooth to a degree
@@shawklan27 oh I’m so glad someone was able to explain it! Poor outdated cgi is already my kryponite, but when it’s TRYING to be shocking makes it soooo much worse! I remember having nightmares about this game that played out exactly like the cutscenes.
I bought this game specifically to unlock all the cutscenes dark as hell and creative. Plus I like the rolling stones. I wish they would make another twisted metal black. The taxi kid sounds like Chris Chan 😂
Bro I have been binging your twisted metal stuff. I was a kid for the majority of playing this series so I never had deep thoughts in to the story or the lore. Just liked blowing things up. I spend a lot of my free time drawing and growing up I used to draw a lot of twisted metal stuff. Watching your videos makes me want to revisit getting back in to making twisted metal art.
I always enjoyed a lot of your Twisted Metal games that you’ve done. To the character’s endings to Sweet Tooth’s lore is one of the most enjoyable things I like in your videos.
I have to say it's pretty interesting how Black and 2012 are dark and edgy in different ways. 2012 is pretty fun edge. It's almost cute in how hard it's trying to be dark and gritty. It's so over the top it becomes pretty endearing and goofy. Black is... definitely not that. It's honestly pretty disturbing and unsettling. But in a really fascinating way. It's very cool and, as someone who never played Twisted Metal growing up, makes me really want to purchase it off PSN
something that may have also influenced the change in Outlaws ending, is the fact that he is killed at the end. It's already a pretty rough watch, but having the context of what he'd gone through already makes it far too cruel and mean spirited. I get that TM has twisted endings that can be darkly comedic, but having the real world connections take it from black comedy(?) to just depressing.
In germany, we have the cool folk metal band Subway to Sally that kinda has the same naming vibes as Sad Saly. If she knows german, i reckon Raven might even like some of the songs from Subway to Sally.
I was entirely too young to be playing this as a kid but my neighbor and I had great fun playing vs. against eachother. We found the story mode really scary! When I replayed it a few years ago in my mid-20s, it seemed much more "dark and edgy" but theyre still really well done and hold up today as highly atmospheric horror. Gameplay is a blast too obviously
Sorry I slept on this for a few days Tac, gold as always. As subtle as many of the changes are, you gotta love the bits they committed to; I honestly expected it to be a lot more egregious. You also had the opportunity to make an awful No Russian joke, but took the high road, bless you 😂
@ 6:34 You want to know what's weird? When Tactical Bacon said that medical horror is one of the few genres that gets under his skin, it instantly reminded me of the song "Hamburger Lady" by Throbbing Gristle. I doubt he would stomach that particular song, but in my opinion, it's one of the most disturbing songs that I've ever heard.
I won't lie playing black at 10 years old Raven was my favorite character for reasons I'd yet to understand but have since figured it out If my dating history and wife are anything to go by
Twisted metal black was the first game I ever played as a kid, the franchise has always held a special place in my heart, the last twisted metal they made came out on my birthday too, I hope we get a new one soon.. I can see how the gameplay is outdated now but the graphics and gore could be insane
5:15 I remember the developers talking about this cut scene in one of the extras in twisted metal head-on and I didn't think it would've actually been animated at one point
Nvm I found the actual footage of all the alternate endings. Yea they did show him showing the baby. Sheez wish they woulda left that in. Woulda been a shock value.
For me personally, I absolutely think things like Outlaw’s original ending is necessary in storytelling media, depending on the tone of the story. Of course it’s important to be able to escape and forget about the world’s problems sometimes, video games are great at that. But they also can be great ways to explore things that make us super uncomfortable in a safer environment. Mafia 3 involves you playing as a mixed race man named Lincoln Clay in the 60’s in the Deep South. The entire game you’re subjected to the racism and hatred of that time, and it really helps sell the reality many black people had to live through. Many people forget about just how bad it was for black people at that time, and the prejudice they had to fight, using the interactive aspect of video games to give players a taste of that so they have a better understanding of what it was like is a good thing in my opinion. Don’t let people forget our history and all. Berserk is another great example for comics, or manga if you want to call it that. If you think Black is dark, Berserk… is something else. But instead of it being an edge fest of hate and nihilism, it’s really a story about trauma and healing, learning to love the world and accept that you can always move forward no matter how horrible your situation might be. It has r*pe, children being killed, horrific “gods” showing what the afterlife truly is, yet none of that is used to push some message of hopelessness or despair. What happens to Guts is tragic, horrifying, yet it never feels forced. Guts is at his worst in the very first arc, the Black Swordsman, but it makes way more sense why he’s such a jerk once you get to the Golden Age arc. It never excuses how he acted, but it *does* contextualize it, and make you understand just how much he’s had to suffer through, as he has to relearn how to love and care about the people around him. It’s a story of darkness and despair, and how Guts even through all that uses it to find the small beacons of light and hope. It’s a *heavy,* incredibly uncomfortable story, but Guts is often considered to be one of the best protagonists of all time for a reason. In truth, he kinda shares a lot with Kratos. He fights monsters and godlike beings far more powerful than any human could ever hope to stand against, yet he does it anyways, in his case, to survive. He had his “family”, or even, families, and watched as they all crumbled and died, almost completely breaking him mentally. He turns into a monster, someone consumed by hatred and rage, yet, similar to modern Kratos, he slowly learns to temper it, and realizes the importance of protecting the people he cares about. I think dark subjects are great things to explore when handled with care and grace, with an understanding of what makes them dark and depressing. Personally anyways.
Yeah, I don't particularly get the aversion to any of the original plot or details that got censored. I'm not really buying the "but my cathartic escapism in the twisted world of serial killers, cannibals, cheating, and disfigurement." Much like how you described Kratos' character arc, Outlaw's is much the same and it really makes him a compelling character to identify with, no matter the race. You have an orphan who doesn't fall into a life of crime with the easy familial structure offered by gangs, but instead works the hard and honest way so that he can protect and serve. He's dissatisfied with the way the belligerent hate groups get handled with kids gloves and goes renegade to exact his sense of justice. That slow unraveling into being a loose cannon costs him his ability to love and leads to him misusing his force, shattering that sense of family he tried to secure. An unarmed mother and child are gunned down when he didn't have to, all because he decided to play the outlaw bent on revenge. The way the scene is setup is it seems like the mom and kid were part of the cult, but they were visibly not combatants and likely abuse victims. It's great writing cause Agent Stone's story isn't just about racism, but it's about exercising personal restraint in a world where 80% of the contestants are just seeking bloody revenge. The scenario with Stone's lynching backstory definitely seems more like a personal vendetta twist to the Waco siege/massacre against 'the doomsday cult' Branch Davidians, where the compound ended up being engulfed in flames, taking every family inside (86 dead). Lynching is extrajudicial killing. Vigilantism. Impulse. Mob rule. He was only sanctioned to take out the terrorists, not their families. His second chance is a return to a nobler police procedure. He keeps a cool head. His grip on the situation not clenched, but firm. He deftly uses lethal force only when necessary. This cautious grasp does offer criminals some wriggle room and he pays with his life that day, but his life, his peace, ended with his family dying in that fire. He pushed on long enough to try and ensure someone else could have it better. He sacrificed like a proper officer agrees to do, upholding the safety and liberty of victims before his own.
The driver of Shadow (Raven), is actually like 16 in her driver bio in game! I always thought it was kinda strange how that was the case since yk.. what goes down in Twisted Metal Tournaments 😂
Also sending a 16 year old to a top of the line security asylum because two dudes killed one of her friends, like I think a better use of resources would've been arresting the two, they aren't masterminds, they drove up in their car, I'm sure they would've been cameras near where Kelly died, also DNA. Stuff like this is why Raven is my least favorite driver in Black
I feel like Black's alternate ending the idea of Black being another being is a tribute to the lost endings of TM1 "Mr Ash" says he (Black) "is the most powerful demon he ever gave powers to" while TM Black's would've gone poorly I like the idea of Black being bigger or posing its own threat towards the contest
I think a video covering TM2012's cut endings would be intersting, espically regarding the canonical oddities like the return of blackgate asylum and Sweet Tooth falling in love with Sophie...before she became his daugther.
Honestly... I feel like nowadays, given how things are right now, they probably could've gotten away with that ending, although some dipshits would cry about it being "too woke".
@@SeanStrife Nobody would say it's too woke to kill actual Nazis who are planning to commit a massacre, that's ridiculous. Woke is when you accuse someone of being a Nazi just for having a different opinion, or for example, playing a video game about Harry Potter.
Good work as always. Love the thoughts that go into the TM franchise bc I remember playing TM2 a ton when I was younger & then the series fell off for me as I got older.
As much as I know there are certain lines we have to draw, it’s always a shame when censorship takes away from the heart of a story or lore-bit. I know dark subjects are still a very taboo thing, but if we can’t find some ways to communicate about it we can never expect to prevent negative outcomes in the future.
Alright. This has to be the strangest Mandela effect, but I remember some of these cutscenes from when I played it. I don’t know if they were on a demo disc, or some behind the scenes thing, but I distinctly remember some of these.
@@TheMattZim When it was one of the first to do that kinda things with the gameplay yeah I could kinda understand that but still it isn’t like they’re hiding the dark stuff too hard
Wow, a funky key that activates a rube goldberg machine which kills someone, and being forced to wear a mask. 3 years before Saw was released in theaters. Huh.
Its funny to me, they removed the reference to the guy being Russian in Grimm's ending, because they didnt want to portray Russians as evil. Something Ive heard people complain about in the story line of MW2&3, and the MW reboot...
Yeah which does sound hypocritical since they are ignoring history lessons, likely since they are born after the cold war and never experienced a real 'bad' faction. Now everything is grey.
I can’t wait to see what the game for PS5 is going to be like. It’s a shame that they cancelled a lot of sequals to this game I hope with the PS5 and the TV show coming out they will think about green lighting them and continuing from where black left off along with some DLC.
I like how the ending for Yellow Jacket is almost identical to Twisted Metal 1's Yellow Jacket Lost ending, basically both ending up being Calypso's tournament star.
Personally for me I prefer the darker endings. I would have much rather see those come into the actual release or if they were to remaster the game. Have therapy adoption to play with the darker in the house. Cuz I think a lot of them make more sense. And plus the game as dark as hell already. Might as well go all the way
I wish they kept the more hardcore backstories and integrated them into the final product. Outlaw having flashes back to what happened when he was a kid and seeing these cultists reminded him of the bastards who killed his life. Raven(boy am I happy they changed her name) having more context to what happened would've been obviously better. Dollface having been wearing the mask since she was a child would've been more disturbing yes but make it feel more personal especially since it was her clearly deranged father. Axle, I agree the son would've made more sense seeing as how Sweet Tooth's whole thing is a clown driving an icream truck which would attract more kids than adults unless they made it to where both were killed by him at roughly the same time. For Grimm, changing the dude from Russian to some random white guy with a gold tooth that's a Veitcong advisor is just stupid since media at the time was still showing the animosity between the west(especially the U.S.) and Communist Russia. All in all I love Twisted Metal Black not for the gameplay but the world and its characters. I got the game as a kid thanks to my mom and while the game scared me because of some of the characters, most of them stuck with me. Their interesting backstories and personalities were more interesting to me than the vehicle combat.
Little interesting bit regarding sweet tooth’s visuals. The final product kill he slices calypso’s neck, but an oversight can be seen in the hair on his mask being gone while the in development scene where he just gut stabs has his mask hair still on. Just a thing I noticed
He pretty much takes the vial and drinks it to make the curse go away but only to say "Sike!" And kill Calypso where th curse returns immediately right after
Sad Sally sounds like a character from a children's cartoon meant to teach kids about emotion. Raven at least sounds like something a goth girl might actually name herself.
with the baby drowning i kinda think of a very similar situation with dark souls 3 where they went into great great detail making a baby model and lots of sound effects along the lines of a baby being crushed and drowned viciously over and over while it was crying but they held back and just decided not to put it in the final release.
Twisted Metal Black had some amazing endings/cutscenes. I just wish they kept up with it instead of going waaaaay off track and turn into stupid endings again.
I'm glad to see I wasn't just a giant wimp as a kid, because No Face and Sweettooth's intro's and endings scared the piss out of me. It took me months to sleep through the night again, no lie.
I honestly just thought we could've been in a world where potentially even more dark stuff was removed from the game, as if removing body horror, child murder, and white supremacy terrorism wasn't enough.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was freaked out by the No Face cutscenes. I can’t handle facial injuries in horror films because that messed me up so much haha. I saw it at age 12 before my mom knew about game ratings so I got it for Christmas.
Maybe I'm just a psycho but I have no issues with these lost endings/I enjoy then. This is supposed to be dark and twisted hence the name and I love them for that
You're not wrong, and the original endings make much more sense. Always thought it odd co-ed Dollface simply let her boss do this to her instead of running away and calling the cops. Or how trained professional Agent Stone suddenly flips during a stand off when he's likely done this rodeo dozens of times before.
god the EU version is so shit. like, atleast you could've done like TM1 and put the cutscenes into text. that would've been boring but it's way better than cutting off every single scene
Sadly I live in Europe. I have TM:B on my PS4 and it's European. But I love the game, even though it got heavily cut in the story department. And yes, I watched the cutscenes from YT. Shadow's and Yellow Jacket's stories are my favourites.
Son doesn't have to mean Kid though, If Axel is in his 40s, His son could have been a teenager or in his 20s. That didn't need to be changed so much as the baby being drowned by the priest.
And if Dollface did keep her original backstory, it would have made the decision to kill her father even more satisfying. I know, that's a weird thing to say, but it would show that she wasn't about to let even family get away with tormenting her. Kreel was just her boss; it would have been easy to punish him. There are abused people who value their family even if they abused them. Darkside's driver killing her father would have symbolized that if your family acted like that, you would be better off severing the ties. Granted you probably shouldn't kill them unless your life depended on it, but I still see the message of "if they don't value you, then screw them figuratively." Oh, and if he murdered her mother, that makes the revenge even better!
Not sure if anyone else has commented on this but outside of the wording on John doe's tattoo, the symbol is a Slavic sunwheel, or atleast a version of it. A simple used by some far right extremist groups in both Eastern Europe and America. So it could've been removed due to certain laws on the display of far right imagery in places like Germany. Though that symbol is widely unknown even today, let alone when the game came out. So yeah the cult was definitely explicitly far right even disregarding the wording
I kinda like Dollface's original story more. Her father hated loud noises, so she decides to drive a huge truck with a blaring horn.
Here's a little non-sequitur for you: As someone who hates loud noises myself, even I know there are better ways of dealing with it than abusing the source of it.
@@WillieManga because YOUR brain works
@@kingartison Eh, it does work more often than his does at least, but...
Don't know if it was intentional,but I really like dollface's almost child like and innocent...ish personality in contrast with a goddamn semi truck using a crashed police car as a bumper that she drives.
And also I love the "character that looks more evil than it really is" trope
plus it makes sense why she would hesitate to kill him. cuz why would she struggle to kill her boss when she's obliterated eveyone else?
No wonder Preacher's former story was the most messed up. Even Sweet Tooth called him up on that during the loading screen of the Prison Ship level.
Oh yeah, like HE hasn't killed any kids before... Maybe he draws the line at killing babies which, given him, it's because they weren't given the chance to learn the concept of suffering... I'm not crazy, I swear!!
@@WillieManga no, sweet tooth/Marcus kane mention what he did to baby in the game, which means he has done similar. It’s very messed up.
@nattesnovgrel5172Which is,despite being a psychopath, INCREDIBLY justifiable for anyone to feel.
Imagine god allowing this absolute horrific monster to curse another one without issue.Most would be frustrated.
If sweet tooth says you're fucked up then you're really fucked up
Too me Baby Dolls is the one that hurts the most from the changes. Making it her Dad puts a whole other spin on her Story. It went from a confusing Story of how she let her Boss do this to her, to it being her Dad. Someone she trusted while she was still to young to fight back. Far more believable and tragic.
It really wasn’t confusing. The boss forced her physically. Now whether it’s better I won’t argue.
@@jak199527 Well it leads to many questions as to why she chose to work for a Boss that was that unhinged. To me a Child being forced to endure her deranged Father leads to less question and becomes easier to accept.
I understand why they made the changes and had to just leave those Plot Holes due to limited time to tell the Story, its just that the Story is less bumpy the other way.
As a kid he always felt like her dad too, it makes no sense to change it to a boss
@@inuiri8365 Cause back then Sony was strict. The creator of twisted and the team wanted them to stay but Sony higher ups wanted them out.
Fun fact, in the UK version of Twisted Metal Black are all out.
And even if they're considered non-cannon, her having the mask put on so early makes more sense for her Harbor City/lost story of her head being crushed by the mask as she was still growing. Doesn't quite make sense a Collage age girl who had a job would still be growing.
I remember David Jaffe mentioned that when it came to the secret characters, they started to run out of money when it came to their cutscenes
Maybe that explains why Charlie Kane and son had two cutscenes (the intro and ending), while Axel, Black, and Cage only had their ending cutscenes.
@@ejm1225 Hell, with Minion, they ended up actually forgetting in his case until the last minute, and Jaffe just wrote the "Minion Codes" as a last minute solution as he had a bad case of the flu.
@@DrEarthwormRobotnik Damn flu ruining our video game endings!
That explains black
@@DrEarthwormRobotnik So the direction of Twisted Metal Black taking place inside the mind of Needles Kane is something that was a last minute thing?
Someone commented on a video with the altered cutscenes that Yellow Jacket sounds like Chris Chan and I can't unhear it.
Bro I love your profile pic it's adorbs
I still stand by that, lmao
Sad they had to turn down the Dollface story. I understand they didn't want to put child abuse, but interestingly enough they may have also overcompensated by splitting their filial relationship. It could've been fine if they kept her at her college age and still make them family. It also lessened a lot the impact and consequences of her ending, from just killing a random asshole dude to killing her own father.
Theirs a lot in the manuals that goes further still. Doll face hints more at the fact that her anxious personality is as a result of abuse from her dad.
I still remember the beta cutscenes for the original. The talk about speaking over Black's ending just unlocked TM1 Calypso screaming "BLAAAAACK! BLAAAAACK! NO, BLLAAAAAACK!!!!" Iin my brain.
The voice over is said to be Mr. Ash. Marcus Kane, Calypso and Black are the only ones aware of being inside Needles Kane's mind. The reasoning why Black is in Twisted Metal Black is because in the mind of Sweet Tooth, Mr. Ash as an entity just doesn't exist. In Darkside's Twisted Metal 1 ending, Mr. Ash wants his demon Black back. When he gets Black back, Calypso gets very upset. This is because Black is sent on a mission to kill a darker, more evil Calypso in the "Black" universe.
I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it, but props to you on the alliteration of “Sad Sally sounds so stupid, seriously” 😅
It was originally a longer alliteration, but I cut the second half because I realized I was trying way too hard.
@@TBP I say you can’t go hard enough with the alliteration and puns 😂
@@dessadoo It's all a matter of the execution. If he can say it with perfect cadence and rhythm it can work very well, but it can be somewhat of a tongue twister.
@@TBP what did you say in the second half?
I was worried this video wouldn't be made. Glad to be back in the world of twisted metal
When it comes to psychological horror, less is indeed more at it's far more terrifying to let the audience fill in the blanks rather than to spell it out in detail...
Bloody Mary's eye flashback shows her beaten by a metal pipe when she was a child, AFTER the boy rejected her and pushed her in the mud.
I kinda like Black's normal voice. More scarier when you think of horrible things that he would say. Imagine him saying,
"You can't run forever, Calypso."
In a monotone voice. Sends chills up my spine
That wasn't black speaking
Dollface was always my favorite. There was something about her taking the key at the end, not to remove her mask but just to get her revenge against the man that hurt her that always made her a little more demented.
I love your Twisted Metal content. I'm grateful for randomly getting recommended one of your TW videos several months ago because I've ended up binging a ton
Yellow Jacket sounds like Tobias Fünke (Arrested Development) auditioning for an acting job.
What a shitty voice they used
Crazy 8 fucked me up back in the day. Did his story once and never again to not have to see the body horror face anymore in my childhood. can't imagine the nightmares I'd have had if the whole procedure was shown
Pre rendered ps2 models tends to make a game come across as unintentionally creepy in my eyes like the orignal gow's cutscenes have this type of horror vibe to it that's quite hard to describe. It might be it's desaturated colors and low resolution that makes for a very uncanny look to it that makes it look quite harsh. But man twisted metal black's character renders fits this mold and boy to this day some of them legit creep me and that includes crazy 8 and even sweet tooth to a degree
Just imagine his nightmares; he lived through it!
"It's funny...I've still got some SNAP in that left hook of mine..."
@@shawklan27 oh I’m so glad someone was able to explain it! Poor outdated cgi is already my kryponite, but when it’s TRYING to be shocking makes it soooo much worse! I remember having nightmares about this game that played out exactly like the cutscenes.
I bought this game specifically to unlock all the cutscenes dark as hell and creative. Plus I like the rolling stones. I wish they would make another twisted metal black. The taxi kid sounds like Chris Chan 😂
100% sounded like Chris-Chan, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
Wonder if this was intentional
Oh shit, imagine if he was one of the competitors XD.
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398
Sonichu colored Tricycle?
The kid has autism just like chris chan does
Minor thing in preachers scene is the removal of the bible verse he mentions before he jumps- falls
Bro I have been binging your twisted metal stuff. I was a kid for the majority of playing this series so I never had deep thoughts in to the story or the lore. Just liked blowing things up. I spend a lot of my free time drawing and growing up I used to draw a lot of twisted metal stuff. Watching your videos makes me want to revisit getting back in to making twisted metal art.
I always enjoyed a lot of your Twisted Metal games that you’ve done. To the character’s endings to Sweet Tooth’s lore is one of the most enjoyable things I like in your videos.
I have to say it's pretty interesting how Black and 2012 are dark and edgy in different ways.
2012 is pretty fun edge. It's almost cute in how hard it's trying to be dark and gritty. It's so over the top it becomes pretty endearing and goofy.
Black is... definitely not that. It's honestly pretty disturbing and unsettling. But in a really fascinating way. It's very cool and, as someone who never played Twisted Metal growing up, makes me really want to purchase it off PSN
something that may have also influenced the change in Outlaws ending, is the fact that he is killed at the end. It's already a pretty rough watch, but having the context of what he'd gone through already makes it far too cruel and mean spirited. I get that TM has twisted endings that can be darkly comedic, but having the real world connections take it from black comedy(?) to just depressing.
The cut baby drowning scene always made me think that one of the devs secretly had a hatred towards babies
Babies are annoying
if you was bully as a kid non stop chances you wont like kids.
But a baby
@@timonrodriguez9617 Bullied by babies lol
I mean... I don't blame him lmao
TBH Sad Sally sounds like the name of either a Children's Story Character a Point And Click Horror Game or a Emo Rock Band
In germany, we have the cool folk metal band Subway to Sally that kinda has the same naming vibes as Sad Saly. If she knows german, i reckon Raven might even like some of the songs from Subway to Sally.
I was entirely too young to be playing this as a kid but my neighbor and I had great fun playing vs. against eachother. We found the story mode really scary! When I replayed it a few years ago in my mid-20s, it seemed much more "dark and edgy" but theyre still really well done and hold up today as highly atmospheric horror. Gameplay is a blast too obviously
Yo.i still think of these cut scenes. Thank you!
LOVE your Twisted Metal content. Good work!
Sorry I slept on this for a few days Tac, gold as always.
As subtle as many of the changes are, you gotta love the bits they committed to; I honestly expected it to be a lot more egregious.
You also had the opportunity to make an awful No Russian joke, but took the high road, bless you 😂
@ 6:34
You want to know what's weird? When Tactical Bacon said that medical horror is one of the few genres that gets under his skin, it instantly reminded me of the song "Hamburger Lady" by Throbbing Gristle. I doubt he would stomach that particular song, but in my opinion, it's one of the most disturbing songs that I've ever heard.
i wish they keep these in the 90s and 2000s were so edgy and dark i miss those days.
Wow, the stand in voice for Charlie sounds like how some people voice Shinji.
Get in the fucking taxi, Charlie!
I actually thought the voice sounded more like Chris-Chan.
TMB Was An Absolute Masterpiece
I won't lie playing black at 10 years old Raven was my favorite character for reasons I'd yet to understand but have since figured it out
If my dating history and wife are anything to go by
raven def helped peak my interest in goth/alt girls lol it also helps that shadow is my fav car in the series
Fun fact: the VA for Yellow Jacket in the beta was David Jaffe.
Twisted metal black was the first game I ever played as a kid, the franchise has always held a special place in my heart, the last twisted metal they made came out on my birthday too, I hope we get a new one soon.. I can see how the gameplay is outdated now but the graphics and gore could be insane
That JonTron cut in during Warthog’s segment was perfect.
5:15 I remember the developers talking about this cut scene in one of the extras in twisted metal head-on and I didn't think it would've actually been animated at one point
Did he drown the baby or crush it cuz looks like the uploader blurred it out.
Nvm I found the actual footage of all the alternate endings. Yea they did show him showing the baby. Sheez wish they woulda left that in. Woulda been a shock value.
Black sounds less like an intimidating villain, and more like an evil Power Rangers character.
For me personally, I absolutely think things like Outlaw’s original ending is necessary in storytelling media, depending on the tone of the story.
Of course it’s important to be able to escape and forget about the world’s problems sometimes, video games are great at that. But they also can be great ways to explore things that make us super uncomfortable in a safer environment.
Mafia 3 involves you playing as a mixed race man named Lincoln Clay in the 60’s in the Deep South. The entire game you’re subjected to the racism and hatred of that time, and it really helps sell the reality many black people had to live through.
Many people forget about just how bad it was for black people at that time, and the prejudice they had to fight, using the interactive aspect of video games to give players a taste of that so they have a better understanding of what it was like is a good thing in my opinion. Don’t let people forget our history and all.
Berserk is another great example for comics, or manga if you want to call it that. If you think Black is dark, Berserk… is something else.
But instead of it being an edge fest of hate and nihilism, it’s really a story about trauma and healing, learning to love the world and accept that you can always move forward no matter how horrible your situation might be.
It has r*pe, children being killed, horrific “gods” showing what the afterlife truly is, yet none of that is used to push some message of hopelessness or despair.
What happens to Guts is tragic, horrifying, yet it never feels forced. Guts is at his worst in the very first arc, the Black Swordsman, but it makes way more sense why he’s such a jerk once you get to the Golden Age arc.
It never excuses how he acted, but it *does* contextualize it, and make you understand just how much he’s had to suffer through, as he has to relearn how to love and care about the people around him.
It’s a story of darkness and despair, and how Guts even through all that uses it to find the small beacons of light and hope. It’s a *heavy,* incredibly uncomfortable story, but Guts is often considered to be one of the best protagonists of all time for a reason.
In truth, he kinda shares a lot with Kratos. He fights monsters and godlike beings far more powerful than any human could ever hope to stand against, yet he does it anyways, in his case, to survive.
He had his “family”, or even, families, and watched as they all crumbled and died, almost completely breaking him mentally.
He turns into a monster, someone consumed by hatred and rage, yet, similar to modern Kratos, he slowly learns to temper it, and realizes the importance of protecting the people he cares about.
I think dark subjects are great things to explore when handled with care and grace, with an understanding of what makes them dark and depressing. Personally anyways.
Yeah, I don't particularly get the aversion to any of the original plot or details that got censored. I'm not really buying the "but my cathartic escapism in the twisted world of serial killers, cannibals, cheating, and disfigurement." Much like how you described Kratos' character arc, Outlaw's is much the same and it really makes him a compelling character to identify with, no matter the race.
You have an orphan who doesn't fall into a life of crime with the easy familial structure offered by gangs, but instead works the hard and honest way so that he can protect and serve. He's dissatisfied with the way the belligerent hate groups get handled with kids gloves and goes renegade to exact his sense of justice. That slow unraveling into being a loose cannon costs him his ability to love and leads to him misusing his force, shattering that sense of family he tried to secure. An unarmed mother and child are gunned down when he didn't have to, all because he decided to play the outlaw bent on revenge.
The way the scene is setup is it seems like the mom and kid were part of the cult, but they were visibly not combatants and likely abuse victims. It's great writing cause Agent Stone's story isn't just about racism, but it's about exercising personal restraint in a world where 80% of the contestants are just seeking bloody revenge. The scenario with Stone's lynching backstory definitely seems more like a personal vendetta twist to the Waco siege/massacre against 'the doomsday cult' Branch Davidians, where the compound ended up being engulfed in flames, taking every family inside (86 dead). Lynching is extrajudicial killing. Vigilantism. Impulse. Mob rule. He was only sanctioned to take out the terrorists, not their families.
His second chance is a return to a nobler police procedure. He keeps a cool head. His grip on the situation not clenched, but firm. He deftly uses lethal force only when necessary. This cautious grasp does offer criminals some wriggle room and he pays with his life that day, but his life, his peace, ended with his family dying in that fire. He pushed on long enough to try and ensure someone else could have it better. He sacrificed like a proper officer agrees to do, upholding the safety and liberty of victims before his own.
The driver of Shadow (Raven), is actually like 16 in her driver bio in game! I always thought it was kinda strange how that was the case since yk.. what goes down in Twisted Metal Tournaments 😂
Also sending a 16 year old to a top of the line security asylum because two dudes killed one of her friends, like I think a better use of resources would've been arresting the two, they aren't masterminds, they drove up in their car, I'm sure they would've been cameras near where Kelly died, also DNA. Stuff like this is why Raven is my least favorite driver in Black
Yellowjacket sounds like Bill Burr doing one of his voices lol
I feel like Black's alternate ending the idea of Black being another being is a tribute to the lost endings of TM1 "Mr Ash" says he (Black) "is the most powerful demon he ever gave powers to" while TM Black's would've gone poorly I like the idea of Black being bigger or posing its own threat towards the contest
They also have the cut endings from The PS3 twisted metal on UA-cam. They're unfinished but you can tell what they were going for.
I think a video covering TM2012's cut endings would be intersting, espically regarding the canonical oddities like the return of blackgate asylum and Sweet Tooth falling in love with Sophie...before she became his daugther.
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@@marko-gj1ujyeah, I'm not kidding. That was the original plan for Sophie.
They should have kept Outlaws ending. Killing Nazis is always the better story.
Honestly... I feel like nowadays, given how things are right now, they probably could've gotten away with that ending, although some dipshits would cry about it being "too woke".
@@SeanStrife There's nothing woke about killing actual Nazis. It's woke to call someone a Nazi just because they don't share your points of view.
@@SeanStrife Nobody would say it's too woke to kill actual Nazis who are planning to commit a massacre, that's ridiculous. Woke is when you accuse someone of being a Nazi just for having a different opinion, or for example, playing a video game about Harry Potter.
@@bloodleader5 The outcry against the Wolfenstein reboot says otherwise, chud.
@@SeanStrife Wolfenstein has been about fighting Nazis since... 1992. Check yourself for extra chromosomes.
roadkill was probably called Ed after Edward norton. fightclub, american history x. he is a pretty clean cut reference.
Good work as always. Love the thoughts that go into the TM franchise bc I remember playing TM2 a ton when I was younger & then the series fell off for me as I got older.
Man, can't look at Babydoll without thinking she's a discount Hexadecimal.......
As much as I know there are certain lines we have to draw, it’s always a shame when censorship takes away from the heart of a story or lore-bit. I know dark subjects are still a very taboo thing, but if we can’t find some ways to communicate about it we can never expect to prevent negative outcomes in the future.
Axel's is so heart wrenching, Baby Doll's is pretty deep too
I so wish they kept Outlaw’s original story, it just made more sense why he did what he did
5:02 i just notice, that blonde guy its actually Billy Ray before the Mutation
Alright. This has to be the strangest Mandela effect, but I remember some of these cutscenes from when I played it. I don’t know if they were on a demo disc, or some behind the scenes thing, but I distinctly remember some of these.
I remember playing this game. It was hard as hell but really fun.
4:37 this image alone just makes me laugh hysterically
Yeah!!! It is just so wacky yet perfect for memes!
Great vid and really informative…never in all my years would I have thought I would hear someone say they play such a dark series for escapism
i mean, the gameplay is focused on KABOOM and cars explosion, nothing too deep and dark so i understad him
@@TheMattZim When it was one of the first to do that kinda things with the gameplay yeah I could kinda understand that but still it isn’t like they’re hiding the dark stuff too hard
Wow, a funky key that activates a rube goldberg machine which kills someone, and being forced to wear a mask. 3 years before Saw was released in theaters.
Huh.
Seems someone got inspired.
Seriously, not hating on the originals, but a few of these deleted storylines could’ve been more interesting.
honestly, dollface and outlaws ending shouldn't have been cut the rest i thought was fine
@@ironicphailure7638 Exactly! They make more sense and allow their characters to feel more compelling.
Its funny to me, they removed the reference to the guy being Russian in Grimm's ending, because they didnt want to portray Russians as evil. Something Ive heard people complain about in the story line of MW2&3, and the MW reboot...
Yeah which does sound hypocritical since they are ignoring history lessons, likely since they are born after the cold war and never experienced a real 'bad' faction. Now everything is grey.
@@shcdemolisher Also especially now with what Russia is doing in the Ukraine
You mean I'm not the only one who had the Mandella effect that the advisor was an American turncoat?
I can’t wait to see what the game for PS5 is going to be like. It’s a shame that they cancelled a lot of sequals to this game I hope with the PS5 and the TV show coming out they will think about green lighting them and continuing from where black left off along with some DLC.
I like how the ending for Yellow Jacket is almost identical to Twisted Metal 1's Yellow Jacket Lost ending, basically both ending up being Calypso's tournament star.
The voice actor for Yellow Jacket sounds like it could actually be David Jaffe himself, the series creator.
The tattoo on John Doe kind of resemble the key for doll face's mask
Personally for me I prefer the darker endings. I would have much rather see those come into the actual release or if they were to remaster the game. Have therapy adoption to play with the darker in the house. Cuz I think a lot of them make more sense. And plus the game as dark as hell already. Might as well go all the way
This comment might surely be controversial but getting rid of Nazis isn't
That was some mad alliteration
It was originally longer, but I ended up cutting the second half of it because I felt like I was trying too hard.
Thanks youtube for unsubbing me, I totally wanted to see this 12 days ago.
Great video as always dude
Also props on Minute Hour in the vid
You can not match the power of "random person on youtube with 250 subscribers"!
I wish they kept the more hardcore backstories and integrated them into the final product. Outlaw having flashes back to what happened when he was a kid and seeing these cultists reminded him of the bastards who killed his life.
Raven(boy am I happy they changed her name) having more context to what happened would've been obviously better.
Dollface having been wearing the mask since she was a child would've been more disturbing yes but make it feel more personal especially since it was her clearly deranged father.
Axle, I agree the son would've made more sense seeing as how Sweet Tooth's whole thing is a clown driving an icream truck which would attract more kids than adults unless they made it to where both were killed by him at roughly the same time.
For Grimm, changing the dude from Russian to some random white guy with a gold tooth that's a Veitcong advisor is just stupid since media at the time was still showing the animosity between the west(especially the U.S.) and Communist Russia.
All in all I love Twisted Metal Black not for the gameplay but the world and its characters. I got the game as a kid thanks to my mom and while the game scared me because of some of the characters, most of them stuck with me. Their interesting backstories and personalities were more interesting to me than the vehicle combat.
Hell yeah love your twisted metel content been scratching my neck waiting for more lmao
Little interesting bit regarding sweet tooth’s visuals. The final product kill he slices calypso’s neck, but an oversight can be seen in the hair on his mask being gone while the in development scene where he just gut stabs has his mask hair still on. Just a thing I noticed
He pretty much takes the vial and drinks it to make the curse go away but only to say "Sike!" And kill Calypso where th curse returns immediately right after
Sad Sally sounds like a character from a children's cartoon meant to teach kids about emotion. Raven at least sounds like something a goth girl might actually name herself.
Sweet new Twisted Metal Content. Awesome
the thing that bugs me about preacher is if he is just insane how the hell did he curse sweettooth?
Raven's friend, Kelly, looks exactly like a Sister of Battle from Wh40k. The short white hair, tattoo near her eye
At first I thought the voice for Black was Mr. Ash. But sounds like it’s supposed to be someone else who acquired black somehow. Very odd
I always wonder how does Frank even drive?
with the baby drowning i kinda think of a very similar situation with dark souls 3 where they went into great great detail making a baby model and lots of sound effects along the lines of a baby being crushed and drowned viciously over and over while it was crying but they held back and just decided not to put it in the final release.
it was 2001, for the time they would've thought that they didn't go far ENOUGH
Didnt Bloody Mary killed the child at the beginning off her flashback, but was cut from the final release?
Yeah, but it’s very “blink and you miss it.”
Twisted Metal Black had some amazing endings/cutscenes. I just wish they kept up with it instead of going waaaaay off track and turn into stupid endings again.
Man if UA-cam demonetizes you again then I'm clearly convinced that UA-cam has an out for you which is messed up because you make really great content
That intro looks delicious.
I'm glad to see I wasn't just a giant wimp as a kid, because No Face and Sweettooth's intro's and endings scared the piss out of me. It took me months to sleep through the night again, no lie.
I honestly just thought we could've been in a world where potentially even more dark stuff was removed from the game, as if removing body horror, child murder, and white supremacy terrorism wasn't enough.
Unfortunately, we're living that world now.
"something terribly offensive" thanks for reminded me of that I've been trying to find that video for awhile i just subscribed
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was freaked out by the No Face cutscenes. I can’t handle facial injuries in horror films because that messed me up so much haha. I saw it at age 12 before my mom knew about game ratings so I got it for Christmas.
Fun fact, there are some flash animations made to promote the game
I remember playing this on the ps2 when I was 5 and my dad was surprised I was unlocking more levels and characters than he got to play
The kid voice kinda sounds like it could be David Jaffe
Maybe I'm just a psycho but I have no issues with these lost endings/I enjoy then. This is supposed to be dark and twisted hence the name and I love them for that
You're not wrong, and the original endings make much more sense. Always thought it odd co-ed Dollface simply let her boss do this to her instead of running away and calling the cops. Or how trained professional Agent Stone suddenly flips during a stand off when he's likely done this rodeo dozens of times before.
Yeah, its TWISTED Metal not MATURE Metal
Twisted Metal video? *Neuron activated *
Do you want to talk about the EU version of TM:B?
I think you have already talked about them.
god the EU version is so shit.
like, atleast you could've done like TM1 and put the cutscenes into text. that would've been boring but it's way better than cutting off every single scene
Sadly I live in Europe. I have TM:B on my PS4 and it's European. But I love the game, even though it got heavily cut in the story department.
And yes, I watched the cutscenes from YT.
Shadow's and Yellow Jacket's stories are my favourites.
Son doesn't have to mean Kid though, If Axel is in his 40s, His son could have been a teenager or in his 20s. That didn't need to be changed so much as the baby being drowned by the priest.
And if Dollface did keep her original backstory, it would have made the decision to kill her father even more satisfying. I know, that's a weird thing to say, but it would show that she wasn't about to let even family get away with tormenting her. Kreel was just her boss; it would have been easy to punish him. There are abused people who value their family even if they abused them. Darkside's driver killing her father would have symbolized that if your family acted like that, you would be better off severing the ties. Granted you probably shouldn't kill them unless your life depended on it, but I still see the message of "if they don't value you, then screw them figuratively." Oh, and if he murdered her mother, that makes the revenge even better!
Not sure if anyone else has commented on this but outside of the wording on John doe's tattoo, the symbol is a Slavic sunwheel, or atleast a version of it. A simple used by some far right extremist groups in both Eastern Europe and America. So it could've been removed due to certain laws on the display of far right imagery in places like Germany. Though that symbol is widely unknown even today, let alone when the game came out. So yeah the cult was definitely explicitly far right even disregarding the wording
Bro the Yellow Jacket voiceover sounds exactly like Chris Chan 😂
Same lmao
Twisted metal black messed me up as a kid lol some of those stories were horrific