Been an occasional viewer, and it’s been a while since I checked in. Your delivery has really been polished and it’s much more engaging than I recall from the past. The reviews have a logical flow that hits on the tangential stuff along the way as needed. There’s a time and place for shenanigans in car reviews, but the no-nonsense approach is never out of place. Great stuff.
I like aggressive regen for at least one reason that I do not see mentioned much. In an emergency reaction situation, you do not have to wait until your foot moves to the brake pedal. The moment that you lift off the accelerator, you are slowing down.
Glad to see another driver appreciate this aspect. Reaction time is a huge factor in emergency braking, and the initial regen braking also prevents a sudden, weight-shifting spike once the friction brakes are engaged. Our i3REx with fixed, heavy regen is awesome in heavy traffic.
@@donswier i don’t know what you mean with fixed regen on the i3, i think it’s more linear since the regeneration increases the more you let go off the accelerator/gas pedal.
Many EV early adapters will be shocked at how fast vehicles will evolve (charge time, distance and cost). The residual value slope will be interesting.
On one hand batteries do slowly lose range and thus decrease the value along with simple wear and tear to the interior and moving mechanical parts in the powertrain. However the yearly maintenance and fueling costs are much lower than ICE vehicles and software updates could help an EV that loses 20 miles of max range over time regain some if not all of that. EVs will depreciate for sure but they are gonna do so at a noticeably slower rate, for better or worse.
In Canada model Y long range is 70k, Mach E GT is 90k. With the model Y's better range, better charging network and I would bet better reliability. I will take the Y all day long!
Actually, in Canada the Mach E GT Performance starts at $85,000 and the comparable Tesla Model Y Performance starts at $84,000, I would still take the Tesla.
Yes, and many things described as "Alcantara" are not the real thing, just other fabrics with a sueded finish. Alcantara is a brand name, as is Ultrasuede, a competitor very popular for clothing 40 years ago, where heavier Alcantara was mainly an upholstery fabric.
I love it but in Canada it’s another EV that seems just so expensive. Up here a Premium extended range AWD Mach E is about 74K, plus tax (13% in Ontario). A GT is going to be about 85K, plus tax. A GT performance will be over 100K out the door.
yeah it doesn't make much sense when you can buy a fully loaded Genesis G70 for about 60K and not worry about the range deterioration with the extremely cold climate at times.
I wonder how much the Ioniq5 will come at in Canada. I saw a Ford Maverick for the first time today - pretty tempting given its less than $30k CDN in the trim I'd get, it's very practical, and gets 40 mpg city.
I came across a video showing Lucid motors EV cars achieving 500 miles on a single charge. I spit my coffee out of my mouth when I saw the price tag of their lux cars. $165,000.00. Thanks Alex.
@@robertduklus6555 It's a luxury car. Many models of luxury cars have been similarly priced for generations. It's nowhere near the top either. Over the next 5 years as manufacturers achieve scale production on batteries, there is a very realistic prospect that entry level vehicles will cost less than comventional vehicles ever did.
@@robertduklus6555 That will be and is already a reality for certain regions/countries. Cities are more expensive to own and maintain cars and in some cases you don’t need one. For most of the rest of the U.S., like suburbs and rural areas that future is still a long time from now.
@@steinwaymodelb your last sentence, this will never materialized, never. This is not even remotely intention of the manufacturers or the social policy creators. The future, not too distant, will minimize individual car ownership.
Let me echo that this is a *really good* review! I was on the fence between the long-range Premium vs. the GT performance but this helped me decide (LR Premium for me since I’m past my “gotta go fast!” driving desires). Keep up the great work.
The wheels on your Mustang Mach E GT are some of the best looking wheels period. I call the Mach E a hatchback like the Stinger GT2. Regarding the interior. I find it excellent in the Premium of which my son owns. Any time we visit each other. I can't resist taking in out for a drive. If you haven't test driven a Mach E. You're missing out on some solid performance with it's instant torque in a hatchback that handles extremely well. He looked at a Tesla And wasn't impressed with it's fit and finish, especially the paint job or in some cases the lack of. I feel Ford has hit several home runs with the Mustang Mach E, Broncos, Maverick Lightning and the refreshed front end and the interior of the Expedition
I have also seen multiple people post about Tesla quality problems. The paint and fit and finish are among the biggest problems. Cheap looking materials also.
Top notch review, the best. Today all the professional reviewers got turned loose to talk. I saved yours till last and was not disappointed. You nailed it Alex. Ford is competing here against the Model Y and its doing so with its first team, the Mustang! You confirmed what a Ford rep told me at Mustang Week in Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago; GTPE with Magna Ride improves the ride quality in all drive configurations. For that reason alone, it may be worth it for me to move up to the GE PE trim level. Thank you Alex.
The GT front end treatment looks better. I also think the regular Mach-E with its 2 ton curb weight riding on 225 width tires to be very under-tired, so the upgrade to 245 width is worthwhile even with the EV range hit for the driving performance alone.
Agree about the front end treatment; I had front grill wrap installed on my Star White premium model, like the GT has. Tire width increase trades range for better performance, pick your poison.
I’ve watched your videos for years Alex and am so appreciative of the amount of content you provide. I’ve been contemplating a Model Y and it appears this is the first genuine contender. Are there others besides the Y and this @Alex?
The Jaguar ipace is similarly sized, I don't know the price of that one though. You could also consider the new EVs from Hyundai and KIA (Ioniq 5 and EV6) as competition, but those haven't been produced yet.
There are models coming from so many companies, and they differ in various ways. The Hyundai/Kia models are handsome and have a great combination of range and charging speed, but it's too soon to know how well they drive. Most of the European models offer a lot less range (it's less of a priority there), but can be nice otherwise. Personally, I think this market category will look very different in a couple of years. It might be a little too soon to get a sense of where we're going.
I think the adaptive dampers are what sets this apart from Teslas. My Model 3 is bouncy like Alex always says, and adaptive dampers would probably solve that problem. It adds some complexity, but hopefully a lot more EVs offer adaptive dampers soon.
@@megaroeny yeah you can make the ride softer or firmer with adaptive suspension. That’s why the Model S and X are more comfortable, but I believe those have air suspension, which is a little different
@@markmiller3279 Agreed, but Teslas have been robust. Model S have had it since 2014. German air suspensions are complete ass and fail all the time. But I think Teslas is good enough to the point where they can add it to the Model Y for an extra 2K upcharge.
Great first look, Alex! That magneride suspension would be nice in northern climates where the roads get beat up by frost cracks, etc. Do you feel like the ride difference would be worth, say, a $2k upgrade if such an option were available on the Premium edition that you have? Here's hoping that you post an announcement when you decide to sell your Mach-E. I'd be willing to drive it back from California, even if it would be during the winter... :)
You really don’t need an EV faster than mid-5s to 60. You will be substantially faster than all traffic around you anyway and you are not going to track a 2-ton vehicle. All you get with more power is a greater chance of accidentally severely speeding or going into a corner way way too fast because of how well EVs hide speed.
"need" LOL. When did any of this become about "need"? What does tracking a vehicle have to do with "need'? How did you arrive at "need" for mid-5s instead of mid-6s or mid-8s? Why do you feel compelled to tell others what they need? I find that those who proclaim what others "need" come with varying amounts of one or both attributes: * severely narcissistic (and typically trying to fake how much they care) * profoundly stupid (and convinced they are smarter and so must take care of everyone else) Both attributes make it difficult or impossible for the sufferer to understand the meaning of "people are different."
hopefully the suspension changes are complemented by the stability enhancements and it will be able to pass the standardized moose test. Not so lucky last time it was tested.
The Mach E’s door handle solution is pretty silly. If they were gonna do the coat hook solution, both front and back doors should’ve had it for symmetry. Otherwise, why not just do a manual pop out handle or something into the door? The current “handles” just don’t look that good. Car is good overall, just seems like a bad design decision in both form and function.
Sadly the BlueCruise prep package and glass roof are extra. That makes the GT PP $14,000 more than my Mach E 4X. Sure would love to have the GT but I think I spent a ton of money buying my '21 F150 Limited Powerboost 4x4 and my Mach E Premium 4X. I'm very satisfied with my car.
When a Ford is considered to be substantially better quality you know you have a QA problem. I could never spend so much money on a Tesla to have the issues their line-up has.
Apparently, that 480 hp is only good for 7 seconds, then it cuts it back to 200 hp due to motor design. Did you ask the Ford engineers why the car has no towing capability? Ford has gotten you to all report the 0-60 times, but isn’t giving you the whole story.
i really like the interior design and materials looks good too.... (thankfuly no leather seats :P ) that small display behind the steering wheel is a big plus. exterior looks better with that front "grille" and wheels are awesome.
I think the body-colored wheel arches may be the biggest improvement. It's a small thing, but it makes this look more car-like, less like an SUV. I had to look at it a while to figure out what the difference was from the side, but that's the big one.
I scrolled down to try and find the first comment that actually mentioned the NO leather. This is freaking awesome and I am so psyched that high performance cars are being offered with this.
I love the car. I love the idea of an electric Mustang. I still don't like that they called THIS car a Mustang. Mach-E would have fit perfectly well without putting the Mustang name on it.
It may be that a coupe will fit into the mix in the future. But for now, its the cross overs that are selling. Ford is in the business of selling and wants to put its first team on the consumer playing field. Mustang Mach-E is a better seller than other variations. Its business.
The GT does look good being lowered like that, but the overall shape is still kinda eh. If it was a little more sedan shaped that would make it a serious contender for a lot of enthusiasts.
You may very well see that coming next. For now, most consumers desire the cross over. Elon Musk and Jim Farley know this. Mustang Mach-E competes with Tesla Model Y, not other ICE cars.
Not sold on the looks of this thing especially the interior with that info screen nor the seats nor the dash. It would be a turn off for me. But I hate the Tesla one screen for everything too. Give us electric with actual buttons someone. Great review.
@@williamlowery4191 at delivery it had LOTS of cosmetic and one mechanical issue. Multiple service trips later those were at least acceptable After delivery it stopped charging overnight multiple times, the screen would randomly go black and the last straw was it just powered off going down the freeway. Fortunately it was 1130 at night. As soon as they replaced the stuff that failed I traded it. Comparatively, my mustang went back for wind noise due to a failed windshield seal but they fixed that and its been flawless since. Its also way more fun in turns and I strongly prefer the breaking feel
Oh wow!! Glad you’re alright. So far I’m at a crossroads with the Mach-E and the model 3. I’ll end up test driving both but not up for a new car for at least 3 more years. Thanks for the information! Sounds like you chose the right car!
I wish car channels like Alex’s had two different thumbs up ratings. I have always loved Alex’s content and views on vehicles. 12 thumbs up if I could. HOWEVER………this car. No. Just no. 50 thumbs down. I work with several older people that will argue for days that this isn’t a Mustang at all and that it’s name is a Ford Mawkee. I’ve given up and just say Yep, it’s a Mawkee.
Hot summer nights in Sausalito . . . well, maybe not. This colour scheme really emphasizes the intended 'sport-back' appearance as it really over shadows the black roof.
Supposed to be 3.8, but when you floored it YT shows it took 5 seconds. The performance GT is supposed to be 3.5 but yours looked about 4.5. Was there a reason for such a difference that I missed?
If the car isn't in unbridled extend mode, the car's throttles back the power output typically after one 0-60 run due to the battery and powertrain warming up too much and the cooling system isn't doing a good job. It's pretty sad that Ford would market the GT & GTPE as a performance lineup with all the shortcomings. You can't even get in one good quarter mile run since the car throttles back the power after 70 mph, which is why it traps lower than it should in the 1/8th and 1/4 mile. Trap speeds are roughly 86 and 104 mph, respectively. This thing should be trapping at 92 and 113 mph, roughly. In terms of performance, no Tesla owner would be worried. Even the 50-70 acceleration is inferior, roughly 1.9-2.0 seconds. Even the Model Y Long Range with the acceleration boost is faster (1.7s). The Y Performance does 50-70 in 1.5s. Pros and cons to each. Tesla has the better charging network, better software, better performance. Ford has a nicer interior, better seats (GTPE), dealer network is more established. Tesla still needs to establish more service centers. Ford needs to improve on software (PaaK, UI responsiveness) along with more performance out of the GT & GTPE.
Car manufacturers, including Tesla, use what’s called a ‘rollout’ for 0-60, this is common in the drag racing world. The timer starts when the rear wheels cross where the front wheels were at start.
@@ip4pwn1 Actually I re read your whole statement and yes you're totally wrong. In drag racing you get zero rollout. Once you break the beam the clock starts. Even in bracket racing, the slower car will get a head start but even if he breaks that beam before green he's disqualified.
I'm curious if Ford will make a fastback coupe version of the Mach E. This is a good crossover that will likely sell well, but after seeing that Mini ev, I'm starting to think that a lower range small ev can also sell well if driving is fun.
Lots and lots of words about the (mostly) trivial differences between Mach E models. Have you seen the video of the Mach E miserably failing the moose test?
Poor 1/4 times? It runs 12.3s. That's faster than a standard c7 corvette. The tesla maybe quicker but there's nothing poor about those times. Ot would cost at least 100k to buy a gas powered SUV to go quicker.
My biggest problem with this vehicle performance wise is its after 60 performance..... It's absolutely pitiful. These have been shown to trap 100 mph in the quarter which is a slower mph that a civic type r hell its about the same as a 2021 Subaru sti, slower trap than a stock ecoboost mustang, base Tesla model 3 a 2012 base model s etc etc. This thing has to feel like it hits a wall at 65-70 mph.
Sorry, not true. I had mine at 95 and I barely had my foot down. Solid as a rock, too. I have to be careful on highways as I can;t depend on sound or feel to let me know when I’m at risk for a ticket.
@@jdsteel to you im sure it felt quick.... Numbers don't lie my man. 100 mph trap is seriously pitiful. Watching some of the recent gts race model 3s it's no contest once they are rolling. Topher did a drag race of the reg model y and Mach e awd, dead even til 55 then the y disappears 60-90. Same 0-60 numbers for both.
Good video👍. Mach e would be the best name. Being old school it seems odd putting it in low for one pedal driving. I would be thinking of low as first gear
For the money, interior materials, lack of 3 climate zones, iffy front seats are all a downer. Also, personally I hate glass roofs without a means to close it ala ID.4.
I do find the lack of proper seat adjustments stupid. How much would a tilt mechanism cost? There are a few other odd omissions that Ford's bean counters shouldn't have been able to push through. This is not a cheap vehicle. Look at how much Hyundai and Kia offer for the same money, Ford. That should be where you start.
Ford makes me face palm so hard. What's the benefit of an electric frunk release that you can't actually open from the key? Just... why? Who's the genius at Ford making these decisions.
I've seen with the moose test Ford did typical Mustang chassis tuning. Which means someone is more likely to make an arse of themselves leaving the cars and coffee. True to the Mustang name. I wonder if they have addressed this with the GT. ua-cam.com/video/2PTOBc883zg/v-deo.html
@@robertduklus6555 yeah, but they're not supposed to be "sporty cars" Mustang is, if they did not make it so, they should have never used the Mustang name .
Next year, I am getting the Mach E GT Performance AND the Mustang Mach 1 with a manual. 2 year lease on this, until my Tesla Roadster is ready, and a purchase of the Mach 1
Charger network...the single most important negative issue with the Mach E...followed closely by the same issue all EV's have which is very poor winter range.
Test drove the Mach-E premium last week and ordered the Model Y performance this week. I think Ford needs a few more years to dial this in and get the charging network up.
@@robdc4829 Well. They are riding on the Electrify America Network which is saying they will double the chargers by 2025. But they seem very unreliable at the moment.
Yep, it depends on the dealer. *most* by a small margin will go for MSRP, but those that don't shop around can get stuck with a big markup, it's just the chip shortage, we see the same thing with Nissan Versas right now.
I would love to take this out on the freeway (preferably the German Autoban). You would only feel weightless and your senses would realize you were moving at all, like take off on a large plane where suddenly everything just goes, chillllllllll....and you're on your way to the sky. This was smart on Ford's part and mightily brave calling it a Mustang 'Mach' and of course EV.
As usual Alex, you're spot on with your assessments. The Y keeps going up in price and down in reliability, so it's off my list. I never liked the minimalist interior or the rubber ducky face, and the glass roof has no shade. I do like the room inside and the responsive screen, though I wished it swiveled toward the driver more, instead of looking slapped onto the dash. I do like the styling of the Mach-e and EV6 the most of all the EV SUV's. I don't like the weight of the e's battery and inefficiency. The EV6 uses a 77 kWh battery to get the same range and performance, albeit in a smaller package, and at a lower price. Both can get the current $7500. tax credit, but Ford may be elegible for more if the battery is made here in the US and if congress passes the EV credit bills. Surprisingly, the Mach-e is made in Mexico.
The car looks fine, though the rims look too busy. Also, the front end design doesn’t have any relationship to the rear end lights that should only be in a real Mustang.
What is the tested winter range like? Living here in the upper midwest, that’s helpful information to have when considering a car that will be driven in below zero temperatures part of the year.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide My Model 3 Performance is faster (and YES, better range) and I could probably stomp on it hands-free. Not sure about your "it's the same for Tesla" comments.
They should have called it the Edge E (edgy) and removed the Mustang styling cues. The first gen Edge is still one of the best looking SUVs on the market.
Have you seen what Monroe said about the cooling system compared. to Tesla? Worlds apart. Good video to learn about what is going on from an engineering standpoint..
Munroe mainly complains about the redundancies and isolated systems in the Mach E, but my complaint with him centers on the fact that he had apparently a significant investment in Tesla stock that he has since disclosed and supposedly liquidated, but I do not consider him an impartial source.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Hahaha, if that is what you believe. What about the insane 30 hoses for the cooling system on the Mach? That is just so stupid, leaks waiting to happen.
I can't imagine Ford didn't study why it weighs more than the Tesla Model Y but it seems they were content to sell it with the extra weight and lower range.
Since I have never owned a Mustang like your buddy Matt Maran does, so it doesn’t bother me with the name. I actually like this vehicle and if I were to get an EV this would be the one, even sans the GT model or performance pack.
I do own another ICE Mustang and as a long time Mustang car guy, I bought the MME Mustang Mach-E because of the name. Love it. I would not have bought one had they badged it anything else.
@@jamesseay9943So you based your decision solely on the name? That doesn’t seem like solid reasoning. That said I have never and probably will never own a mustang. But I still don’t think they should have used the mustang name. They should have used the word play on a previously used name like the Ford Galaxie/Galaxy and called it the Galax-E. Name it that and keep the styling exactly the same and then everyone would have been happy. I honestly believe they did it so they could kill off the mustang (sports car) without killing off the mustang name plate.
Why aiming to Tesla.. I don't get it... everyone complains about Tesla but everyone wants to compare... like really... Just do a fare comparison and use other EVs... that would be interesting... Problems with Mustang E not being fixed yet... like loss off power, charging problems and door opening problems... not to mention safety... like the Mosse test didn't go soo well did it.... from a company that makes cars by 100 years.... like really... and sustained performance, cooling system sucks... and charging problems after intense driving... just get your facts right... and compare with others... No one would be speaking about EVs if we were depending on the legacy auto.... I hope the roof glass doesn't detach on the go.... Lol... critics are easy doing better is very hard.... No blue drive mention... the 30k autopilot option.... but only usable in some areas in USA.... Lol.... No safety remarks.... odd... again just don't use Tesla as target... they done more with far less.... so I little respect goes à long away...
Same. And the fact that those summer tires are going to need to be instantly replaced with winter coming in the PNW adding to the cost. Still, really happy to have waited it out for my GT, already shipped and just 2 more weeks until delivery... Been a long wait since my deposit in Feb.
Some of what this guy says makes no sense. The GT and GT Performance have the same brakes so why would the Performance stop better? Especially since the Performance weighs more because of the M ride. Then there's the power difference. First of all you're talking about a minimal amount of torque. Second. In real world you're not feeling a difference between 3.5 and 3.8 0-60. Third, because of that extra torque you get more torque steer which means more wheel slippage. So I would bet in real world the standard GT is every bit as quick as the Performance. Not to mention wouldn't you think that the M ride would be more taxing on the batteries which would degrade Performance?
There are so many good things here that Ford has done and I appreciate the competition. However, I don’t think any brand is bringing enough to the table that really puts Tesla on their heels. The big car makers waited far too long to start to deliver what is only starting to feel like a challenge to the Tesla lineup. With their head-start, reliable charging network, and software dominance, when supply chains return to normal, I think the long-term EV world will still be dominated by Tesla. On the other hand GM & Ford are putting a lot of money into legislation to try and slow Teslas progress. That may prove effective in the USA. To say nothing of the competition from China that’s right around the corner.
Things are just getting warmed up. Start with taking a look at the Tesla and compare with looks and style of the Mustang and Volvo. Ford and GM factories can catch up pretty quick if the car they produce is something people desire to purchase. I do hope the government keeps its hands off and let the competition play out.
Things are just warming up for Ford & GM, but Tesla has been at this for 10+ years. 8 years if you want to be conservative. I too hope the legacy’s fight with quality, style and value rather than legislation.
Been an occasional viewer, and it’s been a while since I checked in. Your delivery has really been polished and it’s much more engaging than I recall from the past. The reviews have a logical flow that hits on the tangential stuff along the way as needed. There’s a time and place for shenanigans in car reviews, but the no-nonsense approach is never out of place. Great stuff.
Best content, best presentation of the Mach E GT (P PK), and I’ve watched most ….. Thanks Alex!
I think it's one of the best looking electric cars out there
It’s unfortunate that the $10K-$15K Ford dealership markups are erasing all price advantages, and then some.
Should be able to order them factory direct to your house.
it will drop , just demand is high. most ford products are back ordered right now.
Dealer markups not only on the Mach e but also the GT 500 ,raptor, bronco,Ford GT supercar ,the previous GT 350 etc. It feels nice to be loved
OMG the carplay screen size has been increased!!! That sold me right there. Ordered.
I like aggressive regen for at least one reason that I do not see mentioned much. In an emergency reaction situation, you do not have to wait until your foot moves to the brake pedal. The moment that you lift off the accelerator, you are slowing down.
Glad to see another driver appreciate this aspect. Reaction time is a huge factor in emergency braking, and the initial regen braking also prevents a sudden, weight-shifting spike once the friction brakes are engaged.
Our i3REx with fixed, heavy regen is awesome in heavy traffic.
@@donswier i don’t know what you mean with fixed regen on the i3, i think it’s more linear since the regeneration increases the more you let go off the accelerator/gas pedal.
Many EV early adapters will be shocked at how fast vehicles will evolve (charge time, distance and cost). The residual value slope will be interesting.
OTAs will keep residuals/resale values high?
Dont forget about battery pack degradation.
On one hand batteries do slowly lose range and thus decrease the value along with simple wear and tear to the interior and moving mechanical parts in the powertrain. However the yearly maintenance and fueling costs are much lower than ICE vehicles and software updates could help an EV that loses 20 miles of max range over time regain some if not all of that.
EVs will depreciate for sure but they are gonna do so at a noticeably slower rate, for better or worse.
@@AFJDM Waana buy some used laptops? How about cell phones, TVs, maybe some nice slightly used MP3 players?
@@bfish9700 Driver dependent. They gotta know proper charging procedure to prolong battery charging capacity
In Canada model Y long range is 70k, Mach E GT is 90k. With the model Y's better range, better charging network and I would bet better reliability. I will take the Y all day long!
Problem on your range argument. EPA paper range vs. real world range that counts. Just saying to take a further look.
@@jamesseay9943 So your saying the mach e has better range than a model Y long range?
Actually, in Canada the Mach E GT Performance starts at $85,000 and the comparable Tesla Model Y Performance starts at $84,000, I would still take the Tesla.
For those who didn't know, Alcantara is a brand of synthetic suede. Suede itself is just brushed leather, think raw cowhide... iirc.
Yes, and many things described as "Alcantara" are not the real thing, just other fabrics with a sueded finish. Alcantara is a brand name, as is Ultrasuede, a competitor very popular for clothing 40 years ago, where heavier Alcantara was mainly an upholstery fabric.
I love it but in Canada it’s another EV that seems just so expensive. Up here a Premium extended range AWD Mach E is about 74K, plus tax (13% in Ontario). A GT is going to be about 85K, plus tax. A GT performance will be over 100K out the door.
Wait. Buy it used in about 2 years.
@@rocketman3158 I don't think I want to buy a EV used right now
yeah it doesn't make much sense when you can buy a fully loaded Genesis G70 for about 60K and not worry about the range deterioration with the extremely cold climate at times.
I wonder how much the Ioniq5 will come at in Canada.
I saw a Ford Maverick for the first time today - pretty tempting given its less than $30k CDN in the trim I'd get, it's very practical, and gets 40 mpg city.
Get used to it. The way we are going to deal with traffic congestion is make driving so expensive only wealthy people will be able to do it.
This will most likely be the vehicle that makes me jump to the electric propulsion side. Thank you Ford!
Just got the GT performance yesterday, best car I’ve ever driven
I came across a video showing Lucid motors EV cars achieving 500 miles on a single charge. I spit my coffee out of my mouth when I saw the price tag of their lux cars. $165,000.00. Thanks Alex.
the future of private car ownership will not be geared towards the Joneses of the world. Enjoy it while you can.
You get what you pay for
@@robertduklus6555 It's a luxury car. Many models of luxury cars have been similarly priced for generations. It's nowhere near the top either. Over the next 5 years as manufacturers achieve scale production on batteries, there is a very realistic prospect that entry level vehicles will cost less than comventional vehicles ever did.
@@robertduklus6555 That will be and is already a reality for certain regions/countries. Cities are more expensive to own and maintain cars and in some cases you don’t need one. For most of the rest of the U.S., like suburbs and rural areas that future is still a long time from now.
@@steinwaymodelb your last sentence, this will never materialized, never. This is not even remotely intention of the manufacturers or the social policy creators. The future, not too distant, will minimize individual car ownership.
Let me echo that this is a *really good* review! I was on the fence between the long-range Premium vs. the GT performance but this helped me decide (LR Premium for me since I’m past my “gotta go fast!” driving desires). Keep up the great work.
24:20 I always laugh when Alex says “hoot and a half”
Way to go, Ford! Proud of y'all.
Made in Mexico. Lol
The wheels on your Mustang Mach E GT are some of the best looking wheels period. I call the Mach E a hatchback like the Stinger GT2. Regarding the interior. I find it excellent in the Premium of which my son owns. Any time we visit each other. I can't resist taking in out for a drive. If you haven't test driven a Mach E. You're missing out on some solid performance with it's instant torque in a hatchback that handles extremely well. He looked at a Tesla And wasn't impressed with it's fit and finish, especially the paint job or in some cases the lack of. I feel Ford has hit several home runs with the Mustang Mach E, Broncos, Maverick Lightning and the refreshed front end and the interior of the Expedition
I have also seen multiple people post about Tesla quality problems. The paint and fit and finish are among the biggest problems. Cheap looking materials also.
Top notch review, the best. Today all the professional reviewers got turned loose to talk. I saved yours till last and was not disappointed. You nailed it Alex. Ford is competing here against the Model Y and its doing so with its first team, the Mustang! You confirmed what a Ford rep told me at Mustang Week in Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago; GTPE with Magna Ride improves the ride quality in all drive configurations. For that reason alone, it may be worth it for me to move up to the GE PE trim level. Thank you Alex.
I'll be passing you by at the Ford dealerships Repair shop.
@@rho008 In your Tesla with paint defects and misaligned body panels?
The GT front end treatment looks better. I also think the regular Mach-E with its 2 ton curb weight riding on 225 width tires to be very under-tired, so the upgrade to 245 width is worthwhile even with the EV range hit for the driving performance alone.
Agree about the front end treatment; I had front grill wrap installed on my Star White premium model, like the GT has. Tire width increase trades range for better performance, pick your poison.
I’ve watched your videos for years Alex and am so appreciative of the amount of content you provide. I’ve been contemplating a Model Y and it appears this is the first genuine contender. Are there others besides the Y and this @Alex?
The Jaguar ipace is similarly sized, I don't know the price of that one though. You could also consider the new EVs from Hyundai and KIA (Ioniq 5 and EV6) as competition, but those haven't been produced yet.
Chevy Bolt
@@rocketman3158 I have a Bolt and like it, but it isn't a Model Y competitor.
There are models coming from so many companies, and they differ in various ways. The Hyundai/Kia models are handsome and have a great combination of range and charging speed, but it's too soon to know how well they drive. Most of the European models offer a lot less range (it's less of a priority there), but can be nice otherwise.
Personally, I think this market category will look very different in a couple of years. It might be a little too soon to get a sense of where we're going.
I had a Y and now I have a mustang. Get the ford. Its a much more enjoyable ride and far more attractive car
I think the adaptive dampers are what sets this apart from Teslas. My Model 3 is bouncy like Alex always says, and adaptive dampers would probably solve that problem. It adds some complexity, but hopefully a lot more EVs offer adaptive dampers soon.
Does that mean it can be softer on bumps too? The Model S and X have adaptive air suspension though.
@@megaroeny yeah you can make the ride softer or firmer with adaptive suspension. That’s why the Model S and X are more comfortable, but I believe those have air suspension, which is a little different
@@megaroeny Air suspension also introduces long-term reliability issues that adaptive dampers don't.
@@markmiller3279 Agreed, but Teslas have been robust. Model S have had it since 2014. German air suspensions are complete ass and fail all the time. But I think Teslas is good enough to the point where they can add it to the Model Y for an extra 2K upcharge.
Great first look, Alex! That magneride suspension would be nice in northern climates where the roads get beat up by frost cracks, etc. Do you feel like the ride difference would be worth, say, a $2k upgrade if such an option were available on the Premium edition that you have?
Here's hoping that you post an announcement when you decide to sell your Mach-E. I'd be willing to drive it back from California, even if it would be during the winter... :)
Alex, you really have the reviews down, great job!
You really don’t need an EV faster than mid-5s to 60. You will be substantially faster than all traffic around you anyway and you are not going to track a 2-ton vehicle. All you get with more power is a greater chance of accidentally severely speeding or going into a corner way way too fast because of how well EVs hide speed.
someone can’t drive 💀
"need" LOL. When did any of this become about "need"? What does tracking a vehicle have to do with "need'? How did you arrive at "need" for mid-5s instead of mid-6s or mid-8s? Why do you feel compelled to tell others what they need?
I find that those who proclaim what others "need" come with varying amounts of one or both attributes:
* severely narcissistic (and typically trying to fake how much they care)
* profoundly stupid (and convinced they are smarter and so must take care of everyone else)
Both attributes make it difficult or impossible for the sufferer to understand the meaning of "people are different."
We didnt need cars when horses were standard
hopefully the suspension changes are complemented by the stability enhancements and it will be able to pass the standardized moose test. Not so lucky last time it was tested.
Another great review Alex. This is a really compelling product.
Elon musk sucks
The Mach E’s door handle solution is pretty silly. If they were gonna do the coat hook solution, both front and back doors should’ve had it for symmetry. Otherwise, why not just do a manual pop out handle or something into the door? The current “handles” just don’t look that good. Car is good overall, just seems like a bad design decision in both form and function.
Never been a Ford fan! They keep this up and I may have to purchase a Ford.
Dont.. their reliability is s***
@@raknoknak at least they don’t catch on fire like @chevy bolts
@@raknoknak Not bad, per Consumer Reports. Not Toyota good, either. Just average.
I'm 1 year late! But it's still my dream Alex.
I'm looking forward to seeing these Mustangs spinning out and wrecking at local Cars and Coffee events. 😉
Not often we see Alex giddy...or giggling while mid review. Makes one want to try one 🤔
He also owns one so there is some bias
@@davedave1398 Bias? He's not trying to sell them.
Yes I enjoyed the giggles as the acceleration kicked in.
@@davedave1398 hes more critical BECAUSE he owns one. I absolutely love mine and I had a model Y before it
Alex is the kind of guy to listen to a song called Mustang in a Mustang. We see you, Alex. 👀
Completely and entirely off topic... Dear lord sir are you handsome 😍
@@FantomLightning You might have to fight with his husband over him.
@@markmiller3279 Lol doesn't surprise me, the ones that normally check my boxes are often already taken.
Sadly the BlueCruise prep package and glass roof are extra. That makes the GT PP $14,000 more than my Mach E 4X. Sure would love to have the GT but I think I spent a ton of money buying my '21 F150 Limited Powerboost 4x4 and my Mach E Premium 4X. I'm very satisfied with my car.
Blue cruise is standard on the 21' Premium and California Route 1 edition fwiw
the GT looks so much better than the regular one, this one i actually like
When a Ford is considered to be substantially better quality you know you have a QA problem. I could never spend so much money on a Tesla to have the issues their line-up has.
Apparently, that 480 hp is only good for 7 seconds, then it cuts it back to 200 hp due to motor design. Did you ask the Ford engineers why the car has no towing capability? Ford has gotten you to all report the 0-60 times, but isn’t giving you the whole story.
No towing capacity in the USA, because they are too lazy to do the SAE tests, in Europe it is rated as towing is more common with this type of vehicle
i really like the interior design and materials looks good too.... (thankfuly no leather seats :P ) that small display behind the steering wheel is a big plus. exterior looks better with that front "grille" and wheels are awesome.
I think the body-colored wheel arches may be the biggest improvement. It's a small thing, but it makes this look more car-like, less like an SUV. I had to look at it a while to figure out what the difference was from the side, but that's the big one.
I scrolled down to try and find the first comment that actually mentioned the NO leather. This is freaking awesome and I am so psyched that high performance cars are being offered with this.
WOW! Best review of a vehicle, EVER! Thank you.
Alex you're losing your composure... you're giggling! ☺
I like the color. I also like the fact that the fenders aren’t black. I’d not like that look on either the ID.4 or the mini SE.
I love the car. I love the idea of an electric Mustang. I still don't like that they called THIS car a Mustang. Mach-E would have fit perfectly well without putting the Mustang name on it.
Agreed.
@Frugal Family Living I wish Ford would 😉
It may be that a coupe will fit into the mix in the future. But for now, its the cross overs that are selling. Ford is in the business of selling and wants to put its first team on the consumer playing field. Mustang Mach-E is a better seller than other variations. Its business.
12:19 when you said "engine start/stop" button, not so sure about that
The GT does look good being lowered like that, but the overall shape is still kinda eh. If it was a little more sedan shaped that would make it a serious contender for a lot of enthusiasts.
You may very well see that coming next. For now, most consumers desire the cross over. Elon Musk and Jim Farley know this. Mustang Mach-E competes with Tesla Model Y, not other ICE cars.
No engine? NOW you have my attention!!!!
First thing to go would be those wheels and tires...if a 20 x 10 fits, they'd go on with at least a 275/35.
Yep, if you want to increase track performance, but on the street you will trade off on range.
@@jamesseay9943 yeah I get it...I drive a V8 now. Range is not my main concern.
Great review. I still cant decide between the Premium and GT. Thanks Alex for more clarity. 👍
Not sold on the looks of this thing especially the interior with that info screen nor the seats nor the dash. It would be a turn off for me. But I hate the Tesla one screen for everything too. Give us electric with actual buttons someone. Great review.
This looks good, I like it.
I absolutely love my mach E I just wish id waited for the GT. Much more enjoyable than my problematic model Y
If you don’t mind me asking, what was problematic about your model Y? I was contemplating Tesla and was what your drawback was?
@@williamlowery4191 at delivery it had LOTS of cosmetic and one mechanical issue. Multiple service trips later those were at least acceptable
After delivery it stopped charging overnight multiple times, the screen would randomly go black and the last straw was it just powered off going down the freeway. Fortunately it was 1130 at night. As soon as they replaced the stuff that failed I traded it.
Comparatively, my mustang went back for wind noise due to a failed windshield seal but they fixed that and its been flawless since. Its also way more fun in turns and I strongly prefer the breaking feel
Oh wow!! Glad you’re alright. So far I’m at a crossroads with the Mach-E and the model 3. I’ll end up test driving both but not up for a new car for at least 3 more years. Thanks for the information! Sounds like you chose the right car!
I wish car channels like Alex’s had two different thumbs up ratings. I have always loved Alex’s content and views on vehicles. 12 thumbs up if I could. HOWEVER………this car. No. Just no. 50 thumbs down. I work with several older people that will argue for days that this isn’t a Mustang at all and that it’s name is a Ford Mawkee. I’ve given up and just say Yep, it’s a Mawkee.
Hot summer nights in Sausalito . . . well, maybe not.
This colour scheme really emphasizes the intended 'sport-back' appearance as it really over shadows the black roof.
Agreed, and one reason I think it looks so good. The body-colored wheel arches also help it look more planted and car-like.
Supposed to be 3.8, but when you floored it YT shows it took 5 seconds. The performance GT is supposed to be 3.5 but yours looked about 4.5. Was there a reason for such a difference that I missed?
If the car isn't in unbridled extend mode, the car's throttles back the power output typically after one 0-60 run due to the battery and powertrain warming up too much and the cooling system isn't doing a good job. It's pretty sad that Ford would market the GT & GTPE as a performance lineup with all the shortcomings. You can't even get in one good quarter mile run since the car throttles back the power after 70 mph, which is why it traps lower than it should in the 1/8th and 1/4 mile. Trap speeds are roughly 86 and 104 mph, respectively. This thing should be trapping at 92 and 113 mph, roughly.
In terms of performance, no Tesla owner would be worried. Even the 50-70 acceleration is inferior, roughly 1.9-2.0 seconds. Even the Model Y Long Range with the acceleration boost is faster (1.7s). The Y Performance does 50-70 in 1.5s.
Pros and cons to each. Tesla has the better charging network, better software, better performance. Ford has a nicer interior, better seats (GTPE), dealer network is more established. Tesla still needs to establish more service centers. Ford needs to improve on software (PaaK, UI responsiveness) along with more performance out of the GT & GTPE.
Car manufacturers, including Tesla, use what’s called a ‘rollout’ for 0-60, this is common in the drag racing world. The timer starts when the rear wheels cross where the front wheels were at start.
@@ip4pwn1 uh it's a 1 foot roll out, not a 10 foot rollout. So you're wrong.
@@RDUA-cam54 okay, so part of my statement was wrong. Not the whole thing.
@@ip4pwn1 Actually I re read your whole statement and yes you're totally wrong. In drag racing you get zero rollout. Once you break the beam the clock starts. Even in bracket racing, the slower car will get a head start but even if he breaks that beam before green he's disqualified.
Ordered one....get it next May
I'm curious if Ford will make a fastback coupe version of the Mach E. This is a good crossover that will likely sell well, but after seeing that Mini ev, I'm starting to think that a lower range small ev can also sell well if driving is fun.
I'd be surprised. This is already a lot closer to the coupified utes than it is to any classic SUV.
Lots and lots of words about the (mostly) trivial differences between Mach E models. Have you seen the video of the Mach E miserably failing the moose test?
Model Y can sit 7. No?
How many can sit in a Mach E?
Are they really the same category?
Poor quarter mile time that no one mentions suspiciously
Poor 1/4 times? It runs 12.3s. That's faster than a standard c7 corvette. The tesla maybe quicker but there's nothing poor about those times. Ot would cost at least 100k to buy a gas powered SUV to go quicker.
compare to the traditional manufacturers, Ford is on track but getting less than 300miles with 91kw battery pack is efficiency problem there
My biggest problem with this vehicle performance wise is its after 60 performance..... It's absolutely pitiful. These have been shown to trap 100 mph in the quarter which is a slower mph that a civic type r hell its about the same as a 2021 Subaru sti, slower trap than a stock ecoboost mustang, base Tesla model 3 a 2012 base model s etc etc. This thing has to feel like it hits a wall at 65-70 mph.
All EV's under 500 hp/trq are like that, unfortunately.
Family sized golf carts are essentially what you are buying.
Sorry, not true. I had mine at 95 and I barely had my foot down. Solid as a rock, too. I have to be careful on highways as I can;t depend on sound or feel to let me know when I’m at risk for a ticket.
@@jdsteel to you im sure it felt quick.... Numbers don't lie my man. 100 mph trap is seriously pitiful. Watching some of the recent gts race model 3s it's no contest once they are rolling. Topher did a drag race of the reg model y and Mach e awd, dead even til 55 then the y disappears 60-90. Same 0-60 numbers for both.
@@normt430 not really. Model 3 perf traps 116-118 which is on par with a 400 - 450 hp car. This claims more power and traps like a 280-300 hp car.
That’s INSANE. I love my base Mach e but this is better in every way lol
I actually love this car The only issue is I can't afford it
i think that’s why it gets a lot of it’s hate. it’s not the cheap sports car the mustang has been.
Right, they want everyone to go EV, but keep making it expensive asf. We will keep driving gas
@@kromahj You also have to look at operating costs, which are lower in fuel costs. Probably in repairs, too,bid this has been made right.
Mach e’s start at $45K.
Possible to put markers on your videos for different segments?
Good video👍. Mach e would be the best name. Being old school it seems odd putting it in low for one pedal driving. I would be thinking of low as first gear
Looks good in yellow
By the way, the performance MachE require additional packages for the glass roof, etc.
For the money, interior materials, lack of 3 climate zones, iffy front seats are all a downer. Also, personally I hate glass roofs without a means to close it ala ID.4.
I do find the lack of proper seat adjustments stupid. How much would a tilt mechanism cost? There are a few other odd omissions that Ford's bean counters shouldn't have been able to push through. This is not a cheap vehicle. Look at how much Hyundai and Kia offer for the same money, Ford. That should be where you start.
Seems that Ford dealers are slapping on an extra 20K for these cars. One I seen took the price 90K, Don't think Tesla has to worry right now
Those farging lights are migrainey ! Holy...
By the way, what a scenic drive! Looks beautiful out there!
I like the look of it......maybe not the color(a little flashy) but i like the shape and the normalcy of it thumbs up!
Ford makes me face palm so hard. What's the benefit of an electric frunk release that you can't actually open from the key? Just... why? Who's the genius at Ford making these decisions.
The people trying to keep the price down and thus skipping a whole new key series for one current model.
Loved how Sandy Munro told Ford to use their best motor on both ends, and Ford listened!
I've seen with the moose test Ford did typical Mustang chassis tuning. Which means someone is more likely to make an arse of themselves leaving the cars and coffee. True to the Mustang name. I wonder if they have addressed this with the GT. ua-cam.com/video/2PTOBc883zg/v-deo.html
Even the Hyundai Ioniq did better.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 Yes most manufacturers dial in the understeer.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 evn ioniq did better? Ioniq/kia ev6 especially, are way ahead of mustang e in every aspect.
@@robertduklus6555 yeah, but they're not supposed to be "sporty cars" Mustang is, if they did not make it so, they should have never used the Mustang name .
Wasn't that test done with Mach E RWD and the rest AWD?
The amazing part is they Aprox 90 mpg equivalent! You save 80% on fuel costs!
Next year, I am getting the Mach E GT Performance AND the Mustang Mach 1 with a manual.
2 year lease on this, until my Tesla Roadster is ready, and a purchase of the Mach 1
Now we know why they dropped the power rating for the 22’ Mustang GT
So glad to see Ford get in the game!
take a shot every time he says "immitation"
Charger network...the single most important negative issue with the Mach E...followed closely by the same issue all EV's have which is very poor winter range.
How often are you road tripping? Most EV users are commuters.
Great video! Very informative!
Test drove the Mach-E premium last week and ordered the Model Y performance this week. I think Ford needs a few more years to dial this in and get the charging network up.
What charging network?
@@robdc4829 Well. They are riding on the Electrify America Network which is saying they will double the chargers by 2025. But they seem very unreliable at the moment.
Dayum, this car is a looker. Hella mean and fast. Superlike.
If you are not an employee or are unaffiliated with Ford in any way, can you get this for MSRP?
Depends on your dealership. I did.
@@jdsteel $20K mark up in upstate NY.
Yep, it depends on the dealer. *most* by a small margin will go for MSRP, but those that don't shop around can get stuck with a big markup, it's just the chip shortage, we see the same thing with Nissan Versas right now.
I would love to take this out on the freeway (preferably the German Autoban). You would only feel weightless and your senses would realize you were moving at all, like take off on a large plane where suddenly everything just goes, chillllllllll....and you're on your way to the sky. This was smart on Ford's part and mightily brave calling it a Mustang 'Mach' and of course EV.
As usual Alex, you're spot on with your assessments. The Y keeps going up in price and down in reliability, so it's off my list. I never liked the minimalist interior or the rubber ducky face, and the glass roof has no shade. I do like the room inside and the responsive screen, though I wished it swiveled toward the driver more, instead of looking slapped onto the dash. I do like the styling of the Mach-e and EV6 the most of all the EV SUV's. I don't like the weight of the e's battery and inefficiency. The EV6 uses a 77 kWh battery to get the same range and performance, albeit in a smaller package, and at a lower price. Both can get the current $7500. tax credit, but Ford may be elegible for more if the battery is made here in the US and if congress passes the EV credit bills. Surprisingly, the Mach-e is made in Mexico.
The car looks fine, though the rims look too busy. Also, the front end design doesn’t have any relationship to the rear end lights that should only be in a real Mustang.
What is the tested winter range like? Living here in the upper midwest, that’s helpful information to have when considering a car that will be driven in below zero temperatures part of the year.
Torque steer?
If it's done right (mainly the correct half-shaft lengths), there is no torque steer in an EV..
No half shaft length will compensate for this much torque.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide My Model 3 Performance is faster (and YES, better range) and I could probably stomp on it hands-free. Not sure about your "it's the same for Tesla" comments.
They should have called it the Edge E (edgy) and removed the Mustang styling cues. The first gen Edge is still one of the best looking SUVs on the market.
Have you seen what Monroe said about the cooling system compared. to Tesla? Worlds apart. Good video to learn about what is going on from an engineering standpoint..
Munroe mainly complains about the redundancies and isolated systems in the Mach E, but my complaint with him centers on the fact that he had apparently a significant investment in Tesla stock that he has since disclosed and supposedly liquidated, but I do not consider him an impartial source.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Hahaha, if that is what you believe. What about the insane 30 hoses for the cooling system on the Mach? That is just so stupid, leaks waiting to happen.
I can't imagine Ford didn't study why it weighs more than the Tesla Model Y but it seems they were content to sell it with the extra weight and lower range.
Since I have never owned a Mustang like your buddy Matt Maran does, so it doesn’t bother me with the name.
I actually like this vehicle and if I were to get an EV this would be the one, even sans the GT model or performance pack.
I do own another ICE Mustang and as a long time Mustang car guy, I bought the MME Mustang Mach-E because of the name. Love it. I would not have bought one had they badged it anything else.
@@jamesseay9943So you based your decision solely on the name? That doesn’t seem like solid reasoning. That said I have never and probably will never own a mustang. But I still don’t think they should have used the mustang name. They should have used the word play on a previously used name like the Ford Galaxie/Galaxy and called it the Galax-E. Name it that and keep the styling exactly the same and then everyone would have been happy. I honestly believe they did it so they could kill off the mustang (sports car) without killing off the mustang name plate.
Why aiming to Tesla.. I don't get it... everyone complains about Tesla but everyone wants to compare... like really...
Just do a fare comparison and use other EVs... that would be interesting...
Problems with Mustang E not being fixed yet... like loss off power, charging problems and door opening problems... not to mention safety... like the Mosse test didn't go soo well did it.... from a company that makes cars by 100 years.... like really... and sustained performance, cooling system sucks... and charging problems after intense driving... just get your facts right... and compare with others...
No one would be speaking about EVs if we were depending on the legacy auto....
I hope the roof glass doesn't detach on the go.... Lol... critics are easy doing better is very hard....
No blue drive mention... the 30k autopilot option.... but only usable in some areas in USA.... Lol....
No safety remarks.... odd... again just don't use Tesla as target... they done more with far less.... so I little respect goes à long away...
I'm kinda regretting not ordering the performance option on my GT. The only thing I wanted from the GTPE was the magnaride, but 5k?
Same. And the fact that those summer tires are going to need to be instantly replaced with winter coming in the PNW adding to the cost. Still, really happy to have waited it out for my GT, already shipped and just 2 more weeks until delivery... Been a long wait since my deposit in Feb.
Sausalito is awesome..enjoy
A "grill" has holes in it. That thing on the front is a "panel".
Some of what this guy says makes no sense. The GT and GT Performance have the same brakes so why would the Performance stop better? Especially since the Performance weighs more because of the M ride. Then there's the power difference. First of all you're talking about a minimal amount of torque. Second. In real world you're not feeling a difference between 3.5 and 3.8 0-60. Third, because of that extra torque you get more torque steer which means more wheel slippage. So I would bet in real world the standard GT is every bit as quick as the Performance. Not to mention wouldn't you think that the M ride would be more taxing on the batteries which would degrade Performance?
So much better than any SUV from Japan today!
Agreed.
There are so many good things here that Ford has done and I appreciate the competition. However, I don’t think any brand is bringing enough to the table that really puts Tesla on their heels. The big car makers waited far too long to start to deliver what is only starting to feel like a challenge to the Tesla lineup. With their head-start, reliable charging network, and software dominance, when supply chains return to normal, I think the long-term EV world will still be dominated by Tesla. On the other hand GM & Ford are putting a lot of money into legislation to try and slow Teslas progress. That may prove effective in the USA. To say nothing of the competition from China that’s right around the corner.
Things are just getting warmed up. Start with taking a look at the Tesla and compare with looks and style of the Mustang and Volvo. Ford and GM factories can catch up pretty quick if the car they produce is something people desire to purchase. I do hope the government keeps its hands off and let the competition play out.
Things are just warming up for Ford & GM, but Tesla has been at this for 10+ years. 8 years if you want to be conservative. I too hope the legacy’s fight with quality, style and value rather than legislation.
Waiting for the F-150 lighting.
looks way better