Alright, so this is my first ever all-comic essay so I tried my best to keep it visually interesting, but it's still quite rough (so I hope no one is too bothered by it). The next video may be Deadpool but it could also be something else, depending on what's finished first (I'm working on like 5 stuff right now).
@Implicitly pretentious this was a great review both ComicsIsland and your review of miles in the ultimate Universe Help me understand what his character is all about. I'm curious will you be covering his time in the main Marvel Universe and also his current New solo series from 2018(that altered his personality to be closer to animated movie counterpart)
Probably not, cuz I don't own already those done and I'm not sure if it's wise to spend so much money during this sort of economic climate. But who knows, maybe in 2021 if everything gets better
@@isaacfuenmayor3318 The evil 616 Miles went to the ultimate universe to look for the alternate version of his wife. After this we see the Ultimate Peter went back to New York and became Spider-Man again to Ultimate Miles now living in 616.
How'd I never realize how much Miles life was defined by randomness? He's randomly bitten by a super spider, his uncle dies in a random malfunction, was randomly chosen to get into a nice school, and his mother was killed by a random stray bullet. Hell, secret wars literally has a random act of kindness be the reason him, his family, friends, and even his dead mother come back in the new universe. I could definitely see people disliking that and seeing it as just a series of plot contrivances, but I really like it because it puts a spotlight on the things he can control. It shows that who you are is not defined by the cards life dealt you but rather what you do with what you're given. All Miles biggest successes and failures are a result not of random fate, but his responses to the chaos of the world. It really hits back to that old saying that anyone could be spider-man, there was nothing special about Miles outside of his father's past and his uncle's actions, yet he still rose to the heights of a genuine hero.
i mean you could chalk up peters story to randomness too. like in spider verse movie mj said at his funeral “anyone could’ve been spider-man he was just the kid who got bit” i see what you mean though
That's part of the reason Miles didn't initially work as a character, he was very passive as opposed to Peter and in fact felt sometimes like a copy of the mentioned character rather than the one that stands alone as a person who makes active choices. It's only until Into The Spider-Verse and his current that models him a bit after Into the Spider-Verse that he became a much greater character and one that stands on his own in the greater Marvel Universe.
@@themadtitan7603 I call bull because Miles took initiative in this video even when he A. confronts the prowler B. Goes to the triskelion to help Captain America C. Helped cap before hand with Rhino D. Confronts Roxxon with the new ultimates E. Loads of other times in the newer comics, into the spide-verse was great but he's passive for a good chunk of that movie as you accused the comics of being
@@bretonwayde6934 They tend to forget miles is 13 years old dealing with some of the shit you see in the comics. They seriously expect a kid to jump in head first. Some dense comic fans fr
I think skipping the Spider-Men storyline was a big mistake. The whole reason why the return of Peter was such a sobering experience was because Miles met the 616 Peter Parker. If it wasn't for him meeting the 616 Peter Parker he would have never knew how to work well with Peter Parker from his world.
As much as people hate on the miles run, I absolutely adored it and I can vividly remember crying when Rio died and when I finished every comic with him in it. I still haven’t gotten to the run in late 2018 or spidergeddon, but you really pegged him in the first run.
I had huge nostalgia for the ultimate run when I started reading it in 2013-14 when I was as 13/14. It's my favourite spider-man run (next to 90's and superior spider-man). Then that run finished and miles morales started, and I loved that run too. but I recently read it over and I honestly thought it wasn't good. Having a black superhero was amazing to relate to especially cause spider-man is my favourite superhero next to the power rangers. But the run kinda sucked. The reason why I think so is that it was near the end of the ultimate universe and so much shit was thrown at him in so little time. And because since the universe ended, the run/his character feels rushed or incomplete. So watching this video (and future videos) will be interesting
I personally love the first few arcs with his Uncle and his Origins and even his introduction to the Ultimates but then Bendis held onto the Character for too long and it got really bad and was hard to read near the end of his run which sucks since Miles is one of my favorite characters. The good news is that Saladin Ahmed run has been really good so far even if I miss Sara Pichellis art.
@@ussbridgefour4666 I liked his introduction the first time I read it, but then again, I was a middle schooler with no understanding of the larger ultimate universe. Looking back on it, there are a good few issues I take with everything. 1) Nick Fury was too quick to accept Miles. Seriously, this kid is years younger than the last kid superhero he sanctioned (who DIED, I remind you) and he definitely doesn't have the brains Peter did to compensate for his lack of experience (though Peter was kind of a blockhead in this one too). Did Fury even work to train him? Seriously, I was led to believe Fury learned the dangers of mindlessly encouraging kid heroes or at least not trying to train them in Ultimate Fallout. I also don't like the previous cast pushing him to become a hero for the same reasons. 2) That venom blast is atrocious.
@@kenlsten4651 I read the first three or four. The character stuff was good for the most part; still don't really care about Miles' parents outside of the original run (sort of) and ITS. Still, that only made up like a fourth of the stories fortold. The character art was just... jarring (I don't think I'm ever going to get used to older Miles again). The action was comic book action, so nothing really to write home about unless you're some industry giant. And some of the dialogue was cringey (though these moments of cringe were few and far between). It was okay. Not really what I'm looking for, though. Have you read Static?
I will always give Bendis credit for creating Miles and having honestly great ideas for the character, but I always felt he was growing bored of Miles. He constantly changed the status quo and always said "this is Miles' Uncle Ben moment (he said it about Peter's death, then Aaron's, then Rio). I felt he had some good ideas but he was burn out with the character and also didn't want to bother people (I still remember the controversy around Miles saying he didn't want to be "the black Spider-Man" and how there were a bunch of people saying that was Bendis not understanding his own character). But I really liked him in Ultimate, but when he went to 616 I honestly grew bored of his run, even Ganke (usually the best character) was boring, and the entire "Miles - Agent of SHIELD" was lazy AF. I'm glad he left the character and other writers had a chance to play with him and make him a better character. Bendis is the father of Miles (and Pichelli, hands down, draws the best Miles' costume) but sadly, he's not the best writer of the character.
Is it just me or is it weird how underrated Jessica Drew(1610) spider-woman is? Like I didn't even realize she too was also in the main universe under the alias black widow
Ultimate Jessica Drew was great but making her Black Widow was in really bad taste in that universe. OG Ultimate Black Widow was a Spy who betrayed the Ultimates and killed Hawkeye's family, not exactly someone Jessica should name herself after.
Bendis storylines with Miles Morales was not bad in the Ultimate Universe however his characteristics were too similar to Ultimate Spider-Man which prevented me from liking his character. (until into the spider verse movie changed that) Luckily the new writer who took over after Bendis left in 2018 is much better he made miles feel like his own character.
@@hclw3589 I will never not feel cheated that Peter never got to actually train and get better at being a superhero. Also, I wanted to see him at least reach college by the end. And while the death of Spider-Man is alright, I would have preferred some actual buildup. It's not like they didn't have the chance either. The way they handled it all just doesn't sit right with me.
I don't know if the self-depricating humour is just that: humor, or if it's your way to cope with doubts about the validity of your work. But you should know that you're really good at this and your criticism is unwarranted. And I hope you know that you're Implicitly Pretentious because you want to be, because you're you.
You're one of few people I can listen talk endlessly. My homework is starting to sound like how you break down characters, and I've stolen some of your book quotes to make arguments.
Hey I was just searching Miles Morales and I saw this video was just posted. I’ve seen your other Spider-Man content before related to the movies and those were really good and interesting.
I read ultimate Spiderman at first pretty much entirely because of miles morales, but as I got sucked into Bendis's Peter Parker I completely forgot about Miles and once I got to that point since miles is like only a fraction of the total run I feel like it went by incredibly quickly. I feel like I don't remember that much. Almost hesitant to watch this because I'm considering going back to ultimate and reading it through again.
Really enjoyed this! Would love to see more comic studies, even maybe beyond Marvel. There are some really good comics from Boom! that I especially enjoy. You just gained a new subscriber!
UA-cam’s back finally but Personally I always wanted the Ultimate comics kind of real time stuff to be how comics actually work that way deaths feel more sad and people can age plus they previous heroes could be like legacy’s with new versions of people who hold mantle which brings new stories and problems and plus makes the comics feel like their actually moving forward
The Virgin Comic Miles >didn't earn his scholarship >gets bitten by a small spider and fumes like lil' bitch >gets his parent killed >lets the guilt take over him >gf is a secret Nazi agent >his virgin father is a donut steel SUPER IMPORTANT S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent >Uncle is a petty fucking psycho that only feeds the guilt trip >only interesting due to his race >even in-universe just considered to be Black Spider-boy >couldn't even protect his universe >now just bums around 616 being Peter's sidekick VS THE CHAD Adaptation >earns his place through merit >didn't even notice he was bitten >his parents are average Joe Heroes >father is a Chad police officer who risks his live every day for the city >mother is a nurse and also saves lives every day >supportive parents >uncle is cool and inspires him to be better even in death >supporting cast cut and nothing of value was lost >about to bang Gwen >earns respect of several Spider-people at once >doesn't let grief take over >awesome soundtrack >improves on the suit >*taps your shoulder* "Hey" >instantly makes Gwen squirt the Niagara falls on the spot >BIG BOISTEROUS CHARISMA >saves his parents and the whole universe in his first real adventure >citizens immediately recognize and accept him as The Spider-MAN
I’m not sure if you watch anime but can you start doing study’s on anime. For example, Naruto /Naruto Shippuden, Dragon Ball Z, and My hero Academia. All shows have characters who either go through growth or trauma and I’d like to see you make videos on them. Yes the ones I mentioned are my favorite but I jus mean any anime in general.
It’s interesting because mile’s 3 big interpretations, comic, movie, video game. kill off different members of his family. I feel like different writers want to give him his own uncle Ben. That’s not a negative it’s just an observation. I think spider verse did the character the best but the comic’s get the credit for laying down a pretty good foundation.
an “uncle ben” event is pretty common in comics, a close friend or family member dies and the hero is inspired to avenge them and do better towards others in the original comics, Miles “uncle ben moment” was Peter’s death
I feel like we just need to get past his "origin" phase and get some of his new stuff. Same with Peter I wanna see the last hunt adapted or Spider man blue.
One thing that frustrates me about the two major non-comic works to be centered around Miles, those being Spider-Verse and Spider-Man: Miles Morales on the PS4 and PS5, is how much of a big deal they make out of how "different" Miles is from Peter, despite his personality in those amounting more to Black Peter Parker. In this corner of the internet, there's plenty of debate over how obligated those making non-comic adaptations of Spider-Man are to be true to the spirit of the original comics, with the usual points being nostalgia for the Raimi movies making some fans hate the Webb and Watts movies too much, the original comics not really having as many of the things that people have nostalgia for the Raimi movies over as they thought, and the general paradox of hating when adaptations change things while also claiming to want newer and more creative story ideas. I can find things to like about most Spider-Man interpretations, and wouldn't mind Miles being depicted differently from how he's depicted in the comics, but that's not what Spider-Verse and the Insomniac games do. Miles in those works has a personality that's pretty much the same as Peter, yet they treat him being Afro-Latino and having living parents and a living uncle with very different jobs from May, Ben, Richard, and Mary Parker is somehow the same thing as an inherent personality difference. Such things definitely should create a different personality from Peter Parker, yet in that movie and those games, they talk a lot more about those differences than they actually show them. And while subjecting Miles' dad and/or uncle to adaptational heroism was probably alright to do for one of them, I really hope it doesn't become the norm for adaptations of Miles' supporting cast. It seems to suggest doubt that wider audiences can accept Black characters with significant character flaws and moral failings like Jefferson and Aaron Davis in the comics do, or much less inherent altruism than, well, really any major Spider-Person from a non-comic Spider-Man work, like Miles has. Just like Peter in the earlier comics is likely to be seen as jarringly selfish and judgmental by modern readers who grew up on things like Tobey Maguire, Tom Holland, and even Yuri Lowenthal's Insomniac Spider-Man, Miles in his earliest comics is likely to be seen as too whiny, self-centered, and possibly even cowardly by modern readers whk grew up on Shamiek Moore and Nadji Jeter's takes on the character. I hope that, once they get around to putting Miles in the MCU, they'll try to give him a distinctly different personality from Peter Parker, not just a different cultural and family situation, even if it's radically different from any version of Peter or Miles seen in any other media thus far, and I hope that they can make Miles' family members a lot more morally gray as well. On that note, I would love for them to follow up on that thread from Homecoming and see Donald Glover suit up as Prowler.
I have almost all of these. Just missing the Venom trade. Funnily enough, getting that trade will mean I'll also own the entirety of Ultimate Spider-Man.
@@Alex-gd8hr it's fairly well known within the comics community but that's it. I think it could have similar impact as other landmark titles (Year One, DKR, Court of Owls, Killing Joke) but it may need more time. If it doesn't I think the only reason it wouldn't is because the title "white knight" has such a stigma towards it that turned too many people off to it. Just my personal thoughts and opinions though.
13:28am 12/11/20 At 11:30 I had the thought, a film using an alternatives to monomyth could work purely because an audience is so used to that structure. Then again, it might used and a standard for a reason etc, I’m aware.
So good! I love Miles as a character and I love how he has so much more personality and Cultural heritage than Peter. Also when it got to the end another answer for "Why me?" is also "Why not?". It's like you said Miles is Spiderman because he wants to be and it all boils back down to what Stan Lee said that "Anyone can be Spiderman"
Miles and Peter are different people. You like Miles, that is great. Good for you. But please don't belittle Peter. Peter's personality is the better part of why I like him so much. Much more so than Miles. That doesn't mean you should. The whole point of spider-man is that he can relatable to anyone, hence the quote afterall. Also, what do you mean by culture?(Honest question there) 'Anyone can be Spider-man' isn't just referring to Spidey's powers, it also refers to one's struggles. And let's be honest, Peter's has been nothing but a constant struggle.
@@Alex-gd8hr I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it seem I was downplaying Peter. I do love him as spider man. What I meant by a Miles having more culture is the fact that he's half black 1/2 and Hispanic, which means they he has more diversity then Peter who is the cyst straight white male. Miles having more personality is mainly just an opinion on my part (I can just relate to him more). The fact that Peter and Miles are different people are what make both of them intriguing in their own right
Really though, I just want them to do more with Ultimate Jessica Drew. Has the potential to be a really fascinating character. But she's either forgotten or relegated to 2nd or 3rd tier team books. Definitely a waste of potential.
I find the clones argument is null. Everyone is made/create/come to be without consent. The idea of not having parents isnt a new one. yeah she's a "clone" of one person but what does that mean in this universe? now im not saying her pain isnt real because lots of people who we'd call bless suffer. I know that last sentence kinda weakens my argument but it just seems like she's just making being a clone such a unique thing when living in a world of unique is the norms.
Yeah, I always thought the real angst would be the whole "was a boy until a woke up in the body of girl" thing. I mean, from what I've seen, they do cover that a lot to, but you'd think that'd really over shadow the whole 'clone' bit. Though it was even stupider with Ben Riley. If two people of the same genetics and same memories, than why the angst? Who cares?
@@aidanklobuchar1798 well, I'm not too familiar with any of the clone's story and I could understand it more if the female clones had memories of being Male and without consent is forced into a new body*. Technically she would of had a life before she was even born. This concept would be tough to get over if that was the case. I just think the idea of not having consents to coming into being weird when everyone real or not doesn't have concept (minus those umm special cases... lol).
@@rockmandzx ...That's LITERALLY what happened though. Did you read the comics? Also, the angst could come from being a scientific abomination/ perversion of another person's life with an unknown lifespan.
@@laststrike4411 I guess mii saying that I'm not familiar with the story doesn't mean anything... yeah when using words like "angst" "abomination" and "perversion" as descriptors of course it sounds bad. Ijs being a clone wouldn't be a reason for stresses because literally we are all created by someone else and the argument is null.
@@rockmandzx If you don't know and I tell you, what's there to get upset about? And as for reasons: 1) Most people tend to get born into the world from a loving family. Clones (these ones especially) are not. 2) Babies aren't stuck with the memories of a past life (especially as a member of the opposite sex) right from the get-go. Jessica was the only person that got to be something other than a malfunctioned Peter Parker. They also don't have to deal with the fact that their entire "life" up until that point was essentially someone else's and that they were made to be living weapons. 3) Biological dead-end. There were THREE rational clones of the entire bunch. One died within a night, the other was killed, and the last doesn't even know how long she'll be living for. As far as I know, this is even true to real life. If you've watched Blade Runner and are capable of understanding why being a Replicant is an existential nightmare, you can more or less understand the problem here too. 4) Are you REALLY going to argue against the "abomination" point? On what grounds?
Alright, so this is my first ever all-comic essay so I tried my best to keep it visually interesting, but it's still quite rough (so I hope no one is too bothered by it). The next video may be Deadpool but it could also be something else, depending on what's finished first (I'm working on like 5 stuff right now).
@Implicitly pretentious this was a great review both ComicsIsland and your review of miles in the ultimate Universe Help me understand what his character is all about. I'm curious will you be covering his time in the main Marvel Universe and also his current New solo series from 2018(that altered his personality to be closer to animated movie counterpart)
Probably not, cuz I don't own already those done and I'm not sure if it's wise to spend so much money during this sort of economic climate. But who knows, maybe in 2021 if everything gets better
I finally understand miles morales and it’s because of this video. I never got it until now. Thank you !
loved the video man, please do more comic essays :)
Great analysis, glad to see full-fledged comic videos and can't wait till you get to the Saladin Ahmed run.
I found it weird that in the ultimate universe peter is literally immortal as a result from the OZ compound lol
Same it's not like miles didn't see Peter again and receive his blessings
I mean it was left open to MAAYBE it was another clone of peter, but yeah most likely it is Peter
@@isaacfuenmayor3318 The evil 616 Miles went to the ultimate universe to look for the alternate version of his wife. After this we see the Ultimate Peter went back to New York and became Spider-Man again to Ultimate Miles now living in 616.
And that's the point when i stopped caring about ultimate universe. Way to cheapen his powerful arc
@@DoNutx777 He survived getting obliterated during Ultimatum, a gun shot wouldn't keep him down.
How'd I never realize how much Miles life was defined by randomness? He's randomly bitten by a super spider, his uncle dies in a random malfunction, was randomly chosen to get into a nice school, and his mother was killed by a random stray bullet. Hell, secret wars literally has a random act of kindness be the reason him, his family, friends, and even his dead mother come back in the new universe.
I could definitely see people disliking that and seeing it as just a series of plot contrivances, but I really like it because it puts a spotlight on the things he can control. It shows that who you are is not defined by the cards life dealt you but rather what you do with what you're given. All Miles biggest successes and failures are a result not of random fate, but his responses to the chaos of the world. It really hits back to that old saying that anyone could be spider-man, there was nothing special about Miles outside of his father's past and his uncle's actions, yet he still rose to the heights of a genuine hero.
i mean you could chalk up peters story to randomness too. like in spider verse movie mj said at his funeral “anyone could’ve been spider-man he was just the kid who got bit” i see what you mean though
I agree just little point his uncles death wasn't random the gauntlet exploded cause it was damaged by miles
That's part of the reason Miles didn't initially work as a character, he was very passive as opposed to Peter and in fact felt sometimes like a copy of the mentioned character rather than the one that stands alone as a person who makes active choices. It's only until Into The Spider-Verse and his current that models him a bit after Into the Spider-Verse that he became a much greater character and one that stands on his own in the greater Marvel Universe.
@@themadtitan7603 I call bull because Miles took initiative in this video even when he A. confronts the prowler B. Goes to the triskelion to help Captain America C. Helped cap before hand with Rhino D. Confronts Roxxon with the new ultimates E. Loads of other times in the newer comics, into the spide-verse was great but he's passive for a good chunk of that movie as you accused the comics of being
@@bretonwayde6934 They tend to forget miles is 13 years old dealing with some of the shit you see in the comics. They seriously expect a kid to jump in head first. Some dense comic fans fr
I think skipping the Spider-Men storyline was a big mistake. The whole reason why the return of Peter was such a sobering experience was because Miles met the 616 Peter Parker. If it wasn't for him meeting the 616 Peter Parker he would have never knew how to work well with Peter Parker from his world.
this man said "characters age in real time" when ultimate Peter Parker took 10 years to go from 15 to 16
Had to been the longest for everyone involved.
As much as people hate on the miles run, I absolutely adored it and I can vividly remember crying when Rio died and when I finished every comic with him in it. I still haven’t gotten to the run in late 2018 or spidergeddon, but you really pegged him in the first run.
"why me?" "Because you're you" great ending. Well done!
I'm excited for this trilogy man!!
Thanks! The whole thing is planned out, so it should be fairly smooth sailing for here on out
"his success comes from answering what others people need, but his failure comes from him answering his own." OMG THE PAIN!!
I had huge nostalgia for the ultimate run when I started reading it in 2013-14 when I was as 13/14. It's my favourite spider-man run (next to 90's and superior spider-man). Then that run finished and miles morales started, and I loved that run too. but I recently read it over and I honestly thought it wasn't good. Having a black superhero was amazing to relate to especially cause spider-man is my favourite superhero next to the power rangers. But the run kinda sucked. The reason why I think so is that it was near the end of the ultimate universe and so much shit was thrown at him in so little time. And because since the universe ended, the run/his character feels rushed or incomplete. So watching this video (and future videos) will be interesting
I personally love the first few arcs with his Uncle and his Origins and even his introduction to the Ultimates but then Bendis held onto the Character for too long and it got really bad and was hard to read near the end of his run which sucks since Miles is one of my favorite characters. The good news is that Saladin Ahmed run has been really good so far even if I miss Sara Pichellis art.
@@ussbridgefour4666 I liked his introduction the first time I read it, but then again, I was a middle schooler with no understanding of the larger ultimate universe. Looking back on it, there are a good few issues I take with everything.
1) Nick Fury was too quick to accept Miles. Seriously, this kid is years younger than the last kid superhero he sanctioned (who DIED, I remind you) and he definitely doesn't have the brains Peter did to compensate for his lack of experience (though Peter was kind of a blockhead in this one too). Did Fury even work to train him? Seriously, I was led to believe Fury learned the dangers of mindlessly encouraging kid heroes or at least not trying to train them in Ultimate Fallout.
I also don't like the previous cast pushing him to become a hero for the same reasons.
2) That venom blast is atrocious.
@@ussbridgefour4666 And where does that run begin?
@@laststrike4411 Miles Morales: Spider-man (2018) #1. It's 20 issues in. I've read the first 2 volumes and it's pretty good.
@@kenlsten4651 I read the first three or four. The character stuff was good for the most part; still don't really care about Miles' parents outside of the original run (sort of) and ITS. Still, that only made up like a fourth of the stories fortold. The character art was just... jarring (I don't think I'm ever going to get used to older Miles again). The action was comic book action, so nothing really to write home about unless you're some industry giant. And some of the dialogue was cringey (though these moments of cringe were few and far between). It was okay. Not really what I'm looking for, though. Have you read Static?
the hero journey... and the explorer journey.... they're both unique. god I love your videos!
I will always give Bendis credit for creating Miles and having honestly great ideas for the character, but I always felt he was growing bored of Miles. He constantly changed the status quo and always said "this is Miles' Uncle Ben moment (he said it about Peter's death, then Aaron's, then Rio). I felt he had some good ideas but he was burn out with the character and also didn't want to bother people (I still remember the controversy around Miles saying he didn't want to be "the black Spider-Man" and how there were a bunch of people saying that was Bendis not understanding his own character). But I really liked him in Ultimate, but when he went to 616 I honestly grew bored of his run, even Ganke (usually the best character) was boring, and the entire "Miles - Agent of SHIELD" was lazy AF. I'm glad he left the character and other writers had a chance to play with him and make him a better character. Bendis is the father of Miles (and Pichelli, hands down, draws the best Miles' costume) but sadly, he's not the best writer of the character.
same goes for peter too
norman and gwen die consecutively in the comics
the rest of the issue which follow didn't hit harder till the secret wars
Is it just me or is it weird how underrated Jessica Drew(1610) spider-woman is? Like I didn't even realize she too was also in the main universe under the alias black widow
Ultimate Jessica Drew was great but making her Black Widow was in really bad taste in that universe. OG Ultimate Black Widow was a Spy who betrayed the Ultimates and killed Hawkeye's family, not exactly someone Jessica should name herself after.
She's in the main universe?
Bendis storylines with Miles Morales was not bad in the Ultimate Universe however his characteristics were too similar to Ultimate Spider-Man which prevented me from liking his character. (until into the spider verse movie changed that) Luckily the new writer who took over after Bendis left in 2018 is much better he made miles feel like his own character.
Same here but me it was the Bendis writing transition to 616 that nearly drove me off until the new writer came in of course
@@superthorc6894 understandable
I liked the Bendis run
Too me the ultimate Spider-Man ( Peter Parker) run was so good that it was the ultimate end off that character that i didn’t care what happened.
@@hclw3589 I will never not feel cheated that Peter never got to actually train and get better at being a superhero. Also, I wanted to see him at least reach college by the end.
And while the death of Spider-Man is alright, I would have preferred some actual buildup. It's not like they didn't have the chance either. The way they handled it all just doesn't sit right with me.
Miles Morales part 2 will probably be about Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and part 3 will be about Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Other way around, but pretty much nailed it :p
Can we get an Ultimate SM analysis for Peter afterward?
Yeah I've been thinking about it, and I want to do it, but that run is so long that it's going to probably be in mid to late 2021
@@ImplicitlyPretentious I can wait. Maybe. Possibly.
I prefer Spiderverse Miles more, but this one is pretty cool too
I have nothing to say but I'm early so that makes me better than you.
PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY CHEESE
This must be a playground cuz I'm ready to swing.
Your too strong you must be stopped 😑
I am so excited for these series and I love your videos
Aww thanks, that's incredinly flattering! :)
@@ImplicitlyPretentious I just Finished the video and IT was Great and Funny and Inspiring and............. you just have to do MORE of this PLZ.
The ultimate universe definitely had a floating timeline, just with a newer starting point.
I don't know if the self-depricating humour is just that: humor, or if it's your way to cope with doubts about the validity of your work. But you should know that you're really good at this and your criticism is unwarranted. And I hope you know that you're Implicitly Pretentious because you want to be, because you're you.
I know, the video was great and the analysis was very valid and awesome. Seriously, I hope it's humor because the self-criticism is unwarranted
I’m just waiting for UA-cam to come back up so I can watch this
Same
You're one of few people I can listen talk endlessly. My homework is starting to sound like how you break down characters, and I've stolen some of your book quotes to make arguments.
Aww thanks! And that's incredibly flattering! I hope your school work goes well! :)
I remember reading the first few ultimate spiderman comics and just falling in love with the art style
don't be hard on yourself man, you're producing thoughtful content!
This was satisfying, can't explain.
Absolutely amazing! Loved all the philosophy put on display here.
Ultimate Peter Parker didn't really age in real time though he's pretty much always 15 until the end
Dude this wasn't bad at all I want more of these.
"Plus, I don't think anyone needs to hear someone ramble on with an unresearched opinion and go mEu meW meU"
I feel ya so much bro
Great analysis, can't wait till you get to the Saladin Ahmed run.
Hey I was just searching Miles Morales and I saw this video was just posted. I’ve seen your other Spider-Man content before related to the movies and those were really good and interesting.
Thanks!
Love your videos man
Aww thanks! :)
wtf that opening was the most satisfying thing I've heard this month 😭😭
I read ultimate Spiderman at first pretty much entirely because of miles morales, but as I got sucked into Bendis's Peter Parker I completely forgot about Miles and once I got to that point since miles is like only a fraction of the total run I feel like it went by incredibly quickly. I feel like I don't remember that much. Almost hesitant to watch this because I'm considering going back to ultimate and reading it through again.
I swear man to me this is a very relatable and inspiring story 🙏🏽👍🏼
The dedication you put in this video.?I applaud your work.
I freaking love your videos, keep the good work man
Aww thank you so much for watching them!
this is my new fav channel
great video, can’t wait for the next part!
Aww thank you! Fingers crossed it hits the deadline for next week!
Does anyone know what the music is at 0:45 I swear I've heard it before?
Makes me appreciate Into The SpiderVerse so much more. Didn't know that was possible!
Your videos are really entertaining and high effort!
Thanks! I always never feel like I have enough time with each video, so that's really relieving to hear!
Miles! 🤩
Really enjoyed this! Would love to see more comic studies, even maybe beyond Marvel. There are some really good comics from Boom! that I especially enjoy. You just gained a new subscriber!
idk man... the aunt may saying "do what your heart tells you to do" and "life is too short to not do that" made me tear up idk why
such a thought provoking piece. Loved it!
UA-cam’s back finally but Personally I always wanted the Ultimate comics kind of real time stuff to be how comics actually work that way deaths feel more sad and people can age plus they previous heroes could be like legacy’s with new versions of people who hold mantle which brings new stories and problems and plus makes the comics feel like their actually moving forward
The Virgin Comic Miles
>didn't earn his scholarship
>gets bitten by a small spider and fumes like lil' bitch
>gets his parent killed
>lets the guilt take over him
>gf is a secret Nazi agent
>his virgin father is a donut steel SUPER IMPORTANT S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent
>Uncle is a petty fucking psycho that only feeds the guilt trip
>only interesting due to his race
>even in-universe just considered to be Black Spider-boy
>couldn't even protect his universe
>now just bums around 616 being Peter's sidekick
VS
THE CHAD Adaptation
>earns his place through merit
>didn't even notice he was bitten
>his parents are average Joe Heroes
>father is a Chad police officer who risks his live every day for the city
>mother is a nurse and also saves lives every day
>supportive parents
>uncle is cool and inspires him to be better even in death
>supporting cast cut and nothing of value was lost
>about to bang Gwen
>earns respect of several Spider-people at once
>doesn't let grief take over
>awesome soundtrack
>improves on the suit
>*taps your shoulder* "Hey"
>instantly makes Gwen squirt the Niagara falls on the spot
>BIG BOISTEROUS CHARISMA
>saves his parents and the whole universe in his first real adventure
>citizens immediately recognize and accept him as The Spider-MAN
Is your theme music original or can i add that bad boy to a Playlist? It's a banger
your videos are always interesting. I coming away having learned something new!
Damn, really looking foward to this
Also your voice acting is decent. Maybe bad, but not terrible
how you make these videos so often? I'm one loyal fan btw
Thanks! And idk they're pretty easy to make cuz I'm not doing anything special in terms of effects or me being in them!
Characters didn't age in real time in the ultimate universe. I think the first 130 or so issues were just 9 months or something
I’m not sure if you watch anime but can you start doing study’s on anime. For example, Naruto /Naruto Shippuden, Dragon Ball Z, and My hero Academia. All shows have characters who either go through growth or trauma and I’d like to see you make videos on them. Yes the ones I mentioned are my favorite but I jus mean any anime in general.
More More More ! Wonderful Sir
Once UA-cam comes back up then I’ll definitely watch this
It’s interesting because mile’s 3 big interpretations, comic, movie, video game. kill off different members of his family. I feel like different writers want to give him his own uncle Ben. That’s not a negative it’s just an observation. I think spider verse did the character the best but the comic’s get the credit for laying down a pretty good foundation.
an “uncle ben” event is pretty common in comics, a close friend or family member dies and the hero is inspired to avenge them and do better towards others
in the original comics, Miles “uncle ben moment” was Peter’s death
I feel like we just need to get past his "origin" phase and get some of his new stuff. Same with Peter I wanna see the last hunt adapted or Spider man blue.
THE ORIGINAL MILES RUN TAKES ME BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL
I would really enjoy your thoughts on Agents of Shield now that it is all finished.
Maybe in mid to late 2021 when I have some spare time 😂
I have nothing to add. Great vid!
One thing that frustrates me about the two major non-comic works to be centered around Miles, those being Spider-Verse and Spider-Man: Miles Morales on the PS4 and PS5, is how much of a big deal they make out of how "different" Miles is from Peter, despite his personality in those amounting more to Black Peter Parker. In this corner of the internet, there's plenty of debate over how obligated those making non-comic adaptations of Spider-Man are to be true to the spirit of the original comics, with the usual points being nostalgia for the Raimi movies making some fans hate the Webb and Watts movies too much, the original comics not really having as many of the things that people have nostalgia for the Raimi movies over as they thought, and the general paradox of hating when adaptations change things while also claiming to want newer and more creative story ideas. I can find things to like about most Spider-Man interpretations, and wouldn't mind Miles being depicted differently from how he's depicted in the comics, but that's not what Spider-Verse and the Insomniac games do. Miles in those works has a personality that's pretty much the same as Peter, yet they treat him being Afro-Latino and having living parents and a living uncle with very different jobs from May, Ben, Richard, and Mary Parker is somehow the same thing as an inherent personality difference. Such things definitely should create a different personality from Peter Parker, yet in that movie and those games, they talk a lot more about those differences than they actually show them. And while subjecting Miles' dad and/or uncle to adaptational heroism was probably alright to do for one of them, I really hope it doesn't become the norm for adaptations of Miles' supporting cast. It seems to suggest doubt that wider audiences can accept Black characters with significant character flaws and moral failings like Jefferson and Aaron Davis in the comics do, or much less inherent altruism than, well, really any major Spider-Person from a non-comic Spider-Man work, like Miles has. Just like Peter in the earlier comics is likely to be seen as jarringly selfish and judgmental by modern readers who grew up on things like Tobey Maguire, Tom Holland, and even Yuri Lowenthal's Insomniac Spider-Man, Miles in his earliest comics is likely to be seen as too whiny, self-centered, and possibly even cowardly by modern readers whk grew up on Shamiek Moore and Nadji Jeter's takes on the character. I hope that, once they get around to putting Miles in the MCU, they'll try to give him a distinctly different personality from Peter Parker, not just a different cultural and family situation, even if it's radically different from any version of Peter or Miles seen in any other media thus far, and I hope that they can make Miles' family members a lot more morally gray as well. On that note, I would love for them to follow up on that thread from Homecoming and see Donald Glover suit up as Prowler.
I have almost all of these. Just missing the Venom trade.
Funnily enough, getting that trade will mean I'll also own the entirety of Ultimate Spider-Man.
This is really good.
Are you reading the current present comic that their still making?
Real good video
The Ultimate universe did not get rid of the floating timeline and certainly not for Peter Parker. He was 15 for over a decade. Just saying.
another banger well done
What is the song in the intro?
Awesome video
characters didn’t age in real time, they just had modern references to pop culture, and Peter Parker was brought back
So Leo, is MILES your favorite Spider-man?
Still Nicholas Hammond
always great stuff.
Thank you!
Ohhh baby please keep em coming! Do Spiderman Life story by Zdarsky! Batman by Scott Snyder? Batman White Knight by Seam Gordon Murphy?!
White knight is SO Good. No one talks about it.
@@Alex-gd8hr it's fairly well known within the comics community but that's it. I think it could have similar impact as other landmark titles (Year One, DKR, Court of Owls, Killing Joke) but it may need more time. If it doesn't I think the only reason it wouldn't is because the title "white knight" has such a stigma towards it that turned too many people off to it. Just my personal thoughts and opinions though.
@@elijahbowers1 Why the stigma?
I am happy to know people love it.
And Nice to meet you
@@Alex-gd8hr "white knight" made some people think when it was coming out that it was some sort of political dribble full of sjw rhetoric.
@@elijahbowers1 oh
Sad
13:28am 12/11/20
At 11:30 I had the thought, a film using an alternatives to monomyth could work purely because an audience is so used to that structure. Then again, it might used and a standard for a reason etc, I’m aware.
Perceived 98th and 99th comment.
I think. It was at 97 and then it changed to 98 but I think that is 98 and this is 99
So good! I love Miles as a character and I love how he has so much more personality and Cultural heritage than Peter. Also when it got to the end another answer for "Why me?" is also "Why not?". It's like you said Miles is Spiderman because he wants to be and it all boils back down to what Stan Lee said that "Anyone can be Spiderman"
Miles and Peter are different people.
You like Miles, that is great. Good for you.
But please don't belittle Peter.
Peter's personality is the better part of why I like him so much. Much more so than Miles. That doesn't mean you should. The whole point of spider-man is that he can relatable to anyone, hence the quote afterall.
Also, what do you mean by culture?(Honest question there)
'Anyone can be Spider-man' isn't just referring to Spidey's powers, it also refers to one's struggles.
And let's be honest, Peter's has been nothing but a constant struggle.
@@Alex-gd8hr I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it seem I was downplaying Peter. I do love him as spider man. What I meant by a Miles having more culture is the fact that he's half black 1/2 and Hispanic, which means they he has more diversity then Peter who is the cyst straight white male. Miles having more personality is mainly just an opinion on my part (I can just relate to him more). The fact that Peter and Miles are different people are what make both of them intriguing in their own right
@@zemmym.9437 I am sorry to say this. But the word you have to use is "Cultural Heritage"
I think
@@zemmym.9437 Oh and
Thank you for replying
@@Alex-gd8hr No problem thank you for having constructive criticism with me and not attacking me
that was amazing
Yoyr a very smart guy
Me am da smert
Really though, I just want them to do more with Ultimate Jessica Drew. Has the potential to be a really fascinating character. But she's either forgotten or relegated to 2nd or 3rd tier team books. Definitely a waste of potential.
On the bright side, they probably would have wound up screwing her up anyhow.
how'd peter come back though?
in the ultimate universe the oz formula allegedly makes one immortal, so he simply just revived
@@issy785 thank you
Yeah more spidey
2 more left after this and I get to finally stop 😁
@@ImplicitlyPretentious I can’t wait for the 2 more videos
I find the clones argument is null. Everyone is made/create/come to be without consent. The idea of not having parents isnt a new one. yeah she's a "clone" of one person but what does that mean in this universe? now im not saying her pain isnt real because lots of people who we'd call bless suffer. I know that last sentence kinda weakens my argument but it just seems like she's just making being a clone such a unique thing when living in a world of unique is the norms.
Yeah, I always thought the real angst would be the whole "was a boy until a woke up in the body of girl" thing. I mean, from what I've seen, they do cover that a lot to, but you'd think that'd really over shadow the whole 'clone' bit. Though it was even stupider with Ben Riley. If two people of the same genetics and same memories, than why the angst? Who cares?
@@aidanklobuchar1798 well, I'm not too familiar with any of the clone's story and I could understand it more if the female clones had memories of being Male and without consent is forced into a new body*. Technically she would of had a life before she was even born. This concept would be tough to get over if that was the case. I just think the idea of not having consents to coming into being weird when everyone real or not doesn't have concept (minus those umm special cases... lol).
@@rockmandzx ...That's LITERALLY what happened though. Did you read the comics?
Also, the angst could come from being a scientific abomination/ perversion of another person's life with an unknown lifespan.
@@laststrike4411 I guess mii saying that I'm not familiar with the story doesn't mean anything... yeah when using words like "angst" "abomination" and "perversion" as descriptors of course it sounds bad. Ijs being a clone wouldn't be a reason for stresses because literally we are all created by someone else and the argument is null.
@@rockmandzx If you don't know and I tell you, what's there to get upset about? And as for reasons:
1) Most people tend to get born into the world from a loving family. Clones (these ones especially) are not.
2) Babies aren't stuck with the memories of a past life (especially as a member of the opposite sex) right from the get-go. Jessica was the only person that got to be something other than a malfunctioned Peter Parker. They also don't have to deal with the fact that their entire "life" up until that point was essentially someone else's and that they were made to be living weapons.
3) Biological dead-end. There were THREE rational clones of the entire bunch. One died within a night, the other was killed, and the last doesn't even know how long she'll be living for. As far as I know, this is even true to real life. If you've watched Blade Runner and are capable of understanding why being a Replicant is an existential nightmare, you can more or less understand the problem here too.
4) Are you REALLY going to argue against the "abomination" point? On what grounds?
884th!!
But ultimate Peter Parker is alive
So glad they killed off Peter in this universe, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten Miles, Parker sucks
if you're not joking you're just wrong