To fully understand the Puma (and the Marder), you need to know that the German army has a different doctrine/philosophy for the use of mechanized infantry and their IFV/APCs than other NATO forces. Most NATO armies follow the American "Battlefield Taxi" model, where the IFV/APC will drive infantry close to the front, dismount them and then either retreat to a overwatch position to give standoff fire support from there, or leave the infantry to their own devices, to independently do cavalry work, like scout for the MBTs, or pick off soft targets at the edge of the battle and stuff like that. Based on their WW2 experience, the Germans have a different approach. They really take the "Combined Arms" thing seriously and want their MBTs, mechanized infantry and IFV to work together, simultaneously, shoulder to shoulder, if you will. Most modern armed forces claim to be following a Combined Arms doctrine, but in most cases it is more of a "Alternating Arms" doctrine, where different types of units might operate close to each other, but will usually try to achieve different goals, attack different targets and stay out of each other's way. The MBTs will do their thing over there, while infantry does something else over here and the cavalry lurks around the flanks and so on. Or they will operate in waves, where the MBTs come first and then infantry follows to mop up what the MBTs left over. The Germans on the other hand try to overwhelm the enemy's ability to deal with any single element by mixing them all together and letting them operate like one unit, basically. Their IFVs stay with the infantry and the MBTs, while getting other support (like artillery) where possible. No single element is ever supposed to operate without the others. That is why for example, even though it was a German guy who invented it, the German army never used explosive reactive armor on their tanks. It would have been too much of a risk for their own infantry which was supposed to operate around the tanks and very close to them. It is also why the Marder and the Puma are not amphibious. They are not supposed to ever go where the Leopard 2 tanks can't go with them, so giving them the ability to swim made no sense. And of course they need heavier armor when operating side by side with the MBTs and facing the same opposition, while at the same time having no use for bigger guns, like some variants of the CV90 for example, which have a 90mm cannon. Would be pointless to strap a MBT gun to a IFV when that IFV is always accompanied by the real MBTs anyways. The Germans take that Combined Arms doctrine so seriously, that they basically split their army in two. There is the main, heavy force that is all about following that doctrine and their special kind of mechanized infantry, which they call "Panzergrenadiere" is the infantry element of that. The problem is that that heavy force can't go everywhere. For all those places where the main "Spear Point" part of the army can't go, they have the so called "Jaeger" units. Those are all sorts of light infantry (regular Jaegers, mountaineers, which they call "Gebirgsjaeger" and paratroopers, which are called "Fallschirmjaeger") and they are considered a different type of infantry from the Panzergrenadiere and separate from the main part of the army, because they don't follow the Combined Arms doctrine. They are supposed to operate without heavy support, do hit and run attacks, lay ambushes and other semi guerrilla type of warfare and accordingly they get kind of a semi special forces training. This creates this weird situation where the German army kind of doesn't really have any regular, old fashioned infantry. All the infantry is either those Panzergrenadiers, who are specialized for basically doing tank warfare and the rest are the Jaegers, which are this weird half "guerrilla militia in uniform", half "semi special forces" thing. I digress. The point is just that German IFVs are a bit different because their doctrine is different and that is why they never sell well on the international market. Even those countries that bought the Leopard MBTs, never bought the Marder or the Puma, despite them being specifically designed to operate together with the Leopards, because they didn't really fit into anyone else's doctrine. The Marder's 20mm cannon isn't really fit for the American style "Battlefield Taxi" role, or Cavalry work and the Puma is too heavy. That is why Rheinmetall developed the Lynx, basically as a lightweight, more Bradley- or CV90 style export version of the Puma.
Like it. I Hope the Polish Army won't go for our new IFV Borsuk and will stick to something heavier and more robust to follow the same (or close) model for backing up the Leo brigades. It should work this way cuz the armored brigades are self-sufficient organisms when the Infantry has its own model of APCs + the heavy fist of few tanks to ram the battlefront here and there. With specialized troops (rangers with APCs as well) of the fast engagement on top of that. Those can come close with the airborne folks as they do the training together from time to time. All things covered - no IFV for now. We live here now with the worst govs ever - so no wonder a swimming Rosomak IFV is the subject of any consideration other than the export.
That philosophy goes back quite a long time, Julius Caesar found the auxiliary German cavalry very effective because it operated with lightly armed very fast running infantry that would run with their cavalry amongst the horses so they would always have cavalry support. Needless to say when they took on other enemy cavalry they always won because one German would spear at you from the same horseback level with his spear while his buddy down low would spear at you from below.
1. I get the feeling that this would've been at the top of Erwin Rommel's wish list 2. Damn, you're seriously pumping these vids out do you even sleep.
The Puma officially got declared battle ready the last month. It received several upgrades. It has finally now the Mells(based on Spike) anti tank rocket among other things.
@@adamleddy9894 the rounds might be timed but the magic happens with ragefinding and auto programming them to denotate behind said target. so yea you COULD call it smart in a way.
I could... hahaha but it would be wrong :) the rounds are programmable but not smart, there are two progrmming Points on the MK30-2 ABM, but the round does not course correct on its own. The overall System and electronic architchture and Backbone are fantastic as you said.
@@aslamnurfikri7640 Please don't say such things. We Germans have a bad history of overestimating ourselves, getting our then ignorant and arrogant assess beaten real bad. No need to encourage us ;)
@@killthemall55 We've started and lost wars with overconfidence and arrogance before WW2. Regarding WW2, if we hadn't been ignorant+arrogant (and listened to the logistics guys instead) we wouldn't have gotten stuck in the Russian mud and frozen to death like the French before. Also, while we got more and more arrogant, fancying ourselves building great fantastic beasts (like tigers that took 90 seconds to turn the turret 360, couldn't turn the turret against rise and could hardly be recovered due to its weight), others were learning from our early successes, building vehicles that are mobile and would outmaneuver us: M4. .. Not to mention how we got shot out of the skies.. THANKFULLY that German regime back then doomed itself through its arrogance.
Damian Müller-Nordhorn Also engaging in pointless murderous destruction and occupation of your neighbours. So there’s that too. Not just the arrogance etc. ‘Lest we forget.’
Mat, the "cameras" on the turret, which you said are for the driver, are actually the MUSS (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSS_(countermeasure) ) active protection system. The driver has just a reversing camera.
@@Staann of course it is not, but here you are: www.hensoldt.net/products/optronics/muss-multifunctional-self-protection-for-vehicles/ oh, thats the source of the wikipedia article. I thought you could click that yourself, or do you need a hand for everytime you need to cross a street? Instead of crying that wikipedia is not a source, use your energy to search for proper sources yourself.
@@sanderall hahaha relax dude, i wasn't saying that you are wrong. I was just pointing out that you can't refer to wikipedia as a valid source. And don't you worry, i don't need anyones help crossing the street :)
German makes Leopard tanks. This is not a tank. This is an Infantry Figjting vehicle. It's a highly mobile (tracked) armoured vehicle to take Infantry into combat, dismount them and then offer fire support from it's cannon.
Excellent video! Still I have a few corrections/additions: Protection: In the early development phase there were 3 protection variants: A for Air transport via the A400M B for train transport (german: Bahntransport) C for Combat The C variant is the basic fighting configuration. At the other variants some modular things were taken off to match the weight and size requirements for their intended transport device. The B variant was later abandoned because train transport is also possible with the C variant. So nowadays there actually just two variants left. The A variant is armoured against 30mm at the front and against 14.5mm all around. When the additional armour from the C variant is fitted on, the Puma becomes armoured from all sides (except the rear I believe) against 30mm, and the turret gets the same protection. Also the roof gets an additional armor against bomblets. With this variant the vehicle has also protection against RPGs from all sides due to the ERA in the Add-On-Armour (in the A variant its just the front). That specific ERA ist kind of interesting because it cant harm nearby infantry, which was a requirement of the german army. The german army uses the C variant as their standard loadout. Regarding the 5.56mm coaxial machine gun, it proved to be too light for that purpose and its intended to replace it with an 7.62mm MG in the coming upgrade. The standard smoke loadout is 8 cartridges per vehicle. And last but not least the puma has a crew of 3 and an infantry troop of 6.
Thank you so much mat for helping us get through 1 month community quarantine, and also i hope your getting some rest, you're just pumping out these vids.
Here in Germany the media is ranting like hell about the "flaws" this IFV has not realizing that everything that is new has problems that need to be worked out
Your media, like our media here in the US, is stuffed full of leftists / socialists who think spending *anything* on stuff that goes bang & boom is a waste of money... ...better spent on their pet causes (and buying votes).
German Media attempts to exaggerate any issue into a new Starfighter-Crisis tbh. And their headlines stick to the people. When unfortunate circumstances rendered all four German submarines out of service the Media was right there taunting the Navy over it - and even 4 years later people seem to believe that Germany still doesn't have any submarines in service. Or that one time they mixed up (or blatantly lied) about the readiness of our fighters, claiming only four of them to be "ready at all times". What they didn't know was those four being our two scramble pairs which were sitting armed and fueled right next to the runway to take off within minutes after alert. Arming and fueling a plane takes some time so the planes wouldn't be able to go up within minutes = The Luftwaffe is not ready for action.
Many of the technologies used are backed up or redundant, or another system can step in and take over broken or failed sensors. The driver and commander or the loader can take over each other's duties from their seats. So even if something fails, it is quite certain that it would not be a total failure and the vehicle would remain operational. So you don't have to shit your pants when it fails - it takes a lot more than a failed sensor to keep this device from doing its job.
6:18 you're right Mat, that's just you. Personally, and I know many others like me do enjoy the sensation of a supersonic fire-starting solid metal rod obliterating my torso. Its uhh... very liberating.
Excellent video, Mat! I just recently built a scale model kit of this. The overall design looks pretty neat and I did see all cameras and some operational features. This thing is also big compared to the Marder
The lynx is basically a more refined marder hull with rheinmetalls (manned) lance turret. rheimetall developed the lynx on their own for export. the puma is made in cooperation between rheinmetall and KMW and much more advanced (unmanned turret, hydropneumatic supension, all around rpg protection, soft kill for atgms etc)
Is that thing ready yet? The last time I read about it they still had some issues. People above 1.84m height are not allowed inside. 41 Pumas had to be upgraded for the NATO VTJF Mission. Additional costs: 723 million Euro. Spareparts are scarce. In a presentation with a german camera team they had some problem with the electrical system. Supposedly the e-fuse blew which would cause the tank to stop. They had to reset the fuse to get it running again. That was like half a year ago. Not sure how many problems remain as of today since you rarely hear anything about them in public media. But our ministry of defense is notorious for messing up contracts and ending up with equipment that has issues, is delayed, lacks spare parts and is way more expensive than it was supposed to be.
yendak these problems probably still persist and will be fixed over time. But I doubt the height problem claim, it sounds very much like the headline one or two years ago, that after some 40 years of usage they finally figured out that the cockpit lighting in the Tornado is to bright and therefore it’s unusable for night time flights, when in reality the report, that was used for this headline was written by one pilot who felt like the lighting was a little bit to bright for his personal preference. Also every MOD is notorious for these dumb mistakes, the British for example: -their Challenger tanks are the only tanks that use two part ammo, the MOD closed down the only factory that produces that round years ago and now the British are desperately looking for a new gun, because the use by date on their ammo is coming up -the list of the problems of their new Type 45 destroyers is so long, that it has its own section in the Wikipedia article, the biggest is probably that they are so loud, that Russian subs can hear them hundreds of miles away The other MODs aren’t better, with project like the F-35, Zumwalt and Armata.
@@roadrunner6224 The height restriction is needed for the decoupled mine protection seats. If the vehicle runs over a mine or IED the seats dampen the (potentially fatal) shockwave. They recoil slightly in the process, requiring a certain above head clearance so no one is smashed into the ceiling. Not really an issue since 80% of german males and 99% of german females are smaller than 1.84 m. Keep in mind, most IFVs don't even have mine protection seats at all.
With the height its true but only for the 6 soldier in the back the gunner, driver and commander can be up to 1,91m but nobody cares about the 1.86m. The problems getting slowly less its a new system with a lot of electrical systems when you look to the f35 its the same, its delayed and way more expensive than it was supposed to be
@@roadrunner6224 Yeah but these MOD's are lead by someone who probably at least served in any branch of the forces... our hero is joke who got her position so that the CDU can keep it in their ranks and won't lose it to an other partie.
What the public often doesn't realize - and the politics aren't helping for setting things straight (because they and their incompetence are often the culprit) - is the fact the costs explode not because of bad engineering - but constant modification requests. These vehicles aren't engineered to a set time line. They are engineered - then a couple of vehicles are built - and tested in the field - and then ongoing modifications happen. Even while the first batch of vehicles are delivered - requested modifications after the fact have to be done and retrofitted while building the series. Altough it's called an "industry" - these companies operate more as "manufacturers". This doesn't work like the car industry for example in high volumes industrialized production. Also - the PUMA is not a Rheinmetall only vehicle. It's a cooperation between KMW and Rheinmetall.
Main gun has Optomechanical connection from gunsights to gunner . It is no different to traditional manned turret in terms of vulnerability. Pumas turret is unmanned but still has basket below it. I had a chance to have a look into one during exhibition. The hanging seats and zip bags for rifles are genius. Interior is really tidy (anybody who was hit by flying ammobox or rifle during rollover or ied will agree :D). The rubber hedgehog all over top of the vehicle protects it against bomblets and heat submunition. And integrated spike allows puma gunner to shoot over horizon, fire and forget, switch to atgm camera and change target midflight. Each wheel module consist of one fuel tank suspension and one wheel. It is easy to maintan and replace, and you can cut off damaged fuel tank and not lose too much fuel. In addition fuel tanks provide addition protection to sides from outside. KMW (maybe with diehl ?) is now working on segmented hybrid rubber tracks for Puma. It will consist of 1-2 meter segments of hybrid rubber track. This solution will provide all benefits of rubber tracks combined with easo of maintenance of traditional tracks.
"It is no different to traditional manned turret in terms of vulnerability." The point isnt better protection of the turret. The point is that without people in the turret you dont need to waste nearly as much armor on it. That means you save weight to play with for increasing the armor protection of the main hull, while keeping the thing light enough to be air transportable ina A400M. Turrets can be replaced. Lost lives cant.
Canada is considering it? Like it did with the CV90? Perhaps on paper, Ottawa is to cheap to bring such a project and source it. They'd likely cancel it and cost us millions or billions to back out before the Infantry ever got one.
With militarizing nations and a growing appetite for defense. *("cough cough". China eyeing it's neighbors, eastern europe and middle east)* more developments of different military gear such as this for export, would bring in a lot of money and maybe even influence.
What sort of military force designed to fight China doctors and medical supplies? Military vehicles is kinda useless against China in these days. China is fighting a war on reputation, they appeared to be winning...... while the whole Europe is in a infighting on medical supplies. While here in the US we still have lots of fun basses not staying at home.
@@ihatecabbage7270 the only reason china is winning in reputation is because some of the countries to rival it, doesn't have the backbone or political willpower to focus on challenging it. Or they are distracted by other things that they let go immediately. Which leaves some smaller weaker nations gradually losing their power to China as even when they look around for someone, anyone to counter china. There's no alternative because those that can counter are either divided, or aren't interested at all. Then asking why they are losing to china when their inaction was one of the main culprits.
Hey Mat when you were pointing out the cameras, the ones you marked yellow are not actually cameras this are sensors for the "MUSS". This system uses the sensors to track if a laser is targeting the tank and allows to use the board smoke in 3 different ways, one of is full automatic, means the tank will use smoke in the direction the laser is coming from. On the other hand with the new Puma version there are a high number of cameras surrounding the tank. Greetings
Above the commander sight is a soft kill protection system. It is a dazzler against laser guided missles. Maybe it can defeat other guided systems as well, but I don't know all the details about it.
The West is really reluctant when it comes to new untested technology being applied to its ground vehicles lately. Seeing an IFV like this I think is a really good idea to kickstart things.
Too nice video with clear explaining of PUMA vehicle with highly quality characters of two versions with most abilities of protects systems Germany has successfully historic production of armoury and vehicle until today...🖐👍❤🇩🇪🤝🇺🇸🤝🇨🇦❤👍🖐
I just find it amazing how you guys love this thing but here in Germany we get news report after report that like nothing in the Bundeswehr is working😂 there is for example a video where reporters are in a puma with the crew, the doorhydraulic fails and they already know what to do and say that this happens quite often
@@Benjo.1205 Lass dich von der Politik und den Medien nicht vorführen. Ich weiß Aluhut-Lügenpresse. Nein, nein. Ich meine das durchaus faktenbasiert. Leider ist die Politik und die Medienlandschaft stark von Lobbyisten unterwandert. Politiker laufen "Nebenjobs" hinterher und setzen sich so für die Interessen der Industrie ein. Es gibt aber auch Idealisten im Parlament und im Rat, und die wollen nicht immer das Geld freigeben um der Bundeswehr neues Spielzeug zu kaufen. Oder das neue Spielzeug wird Schlechtgeredet, weil man bspw. eh den amerikanischen Bradley bevorzugt hat, etc. Die Einsatzbereitschaft ist auf einem hohen Niveau gegeben, das Material weltweit gefragt. Leopard 2, Panzerhaubitze 2000, Puma, G36, die "Brennstoffzellen-U-Boote" mit dem leisesten Antrieb ihrer Klasse, diverse Minen- und Torpedoboote, Korvetten und Fregatten aus deutschen Werften... das gilt alles als modernstes und hochqualitatives Material. Selbst der Eurofighter und der Eurocopoter (Tiger) sind, nachdem ihre Kinderkrankheiten beseitigt wurden, mittlerweile formidable Waffensysteme. Auch ist die Bundeswehr keineswegs unterfinanziert. Wir haben einen der höchsten Militäretats weltweit. Die Verteidigungsministerin hat es nur gerne Beratern hinterhergeschoben... Man will übrigens auch deshalb eigene Waffensysteme um diese Waffen immer und unabhängig von der Auffassung anderer Staaten einsetzen zu können. Deshalb kaufen wir bspw. keine Waffen aus den USA. Außerdem steht die hiesige Industrie in der Gunst der Politik sehr hoch. Da geht es um Deals in Höhe von hunderten von Millionen EURO. Und im Gegenzug investieren viele Fremdregierungen in Deutschland. Ich nenne jetzt mal Saudi Arabien als Beispiel (schaut euch mal an an welchen Unternehmen die hohe Aktienanteile halten). Rheinmetall unterhält übrigens auch ein Werk in der Türkei. Wenn man das weiß wird schnell klar warum die Deutschen so gemäßigt der Türkei in der Politik gegenüber auftreten, obwohl dort faktisch eine totalitäre Diktatur herrscht und die Türkei Bündnispartner bedroht und mit Flüchtlingen die EU erpresst.
Matt, agree, agree, agree to all your comments and observations on this Puma! Then again, you also my attitude on such by now. Soldier on, Matt. God bless. I did love the aging Marder though, maneuver along side with them and their Leopards.
Thanks for providing contentional support for my own Donward Gorona Bonanza Spiral of Chaos! Seriously, thanks you for keeping me not bored at times when I'm in my own quarantine
I really wish we would get these. Might be one of the best pieces of kit the CF has ever seen. On the other hand, all that electronic stuff....hope it has EMP shielding built in.
The applique armour can be quickly added. The idea is to send out four A400M transports, 3 have pumas and 1 carries the armour which can be added within a few hours.
Watching these types of videos I've noticed ammo counts in modern Armoured vehicles is really damn low. Like This thing carrying 400 Cannon rounds and 2k Ammo round (even if its best described as a light machinegun) seems to be rather impressive for its class.
If you can laser the aim point and have the 30mm round explode 2m above the head of the enemy, you dont nearly need as many rounds as in cold war vehicles.
@@reggiebuffat One should not believe everything the tank building companies promise. OTOH, computers, optics etc have made a lot of progress over the last 30 years. The Puma's gun is fully stabilized and accurate enough that it even can be used against airborne threats like small drones. Hitting a window or cleaning a trench with it is no problem.
PRobably the best IFV in world.. and probably the best IFV family in the world for last 20 years... something that USA ARMY have to learn.. how to do a IFV.
The reason for the 5.56mm machine gun option is : 1. room for more ammo. 2. more ammo for the infantry team, as they can also use those rounds in their guns, if needed.
You're absolutely right about the smoke dispensers, I would also say they need/must disperse them. If that turret gets hit in the rear then ALL of the ability to conceal is pontentialy gone.
This is the 2nd FGR Army Puma, the first one was not in service, i saw it in the 80s in a german military published Magazin , only a few fotos in the Magazin from Chassistrials, for me it looked a bit boxy and all fotos showed the vehicle without Turret during tests but the written report said that they planned several armament/gun option and this Puma Prototyp would be the successor for the Marder 1.
Recently I saw a report regarding the Puma that it suffers a lot of technical difficulties. The opposition said that it was rolled out of development too early and that certain flaws were only discovered after the fist batch was delivered. To save cost the government did not order enough spare parts. This means that there is a shortage of working tanks to train troops - tanks have to be cannibalized for spare parts - use two to create one working tank. In the report the tanks engine stopped in the open field - to restart the engine the main plug had to be pulled to remove power and hard reboot the system - taking about 6 minutes. You cannot afford 6 minutes downtime in battle.
'Thank GOD'🙏🏾 and thank you very much for sharing your support and time 😉 I agree with you 🙄; there should be MORE SMOKE devices to protect the crew and vehicle 🚜
Matsimus - thanks for the vid, but Canada is NOT considering the purchase of this vehicle, as suggested at 10:40. Yes, the Canadian Army launched a Close Combat Vehicle (CCV) acquisition project as a result of experience in Afghanistan, but it was unceremoniously cancelled in 2013 after the government slashed the Army's baseline budget. Puma was never a candidate to begin with; only CV90, VBCI, and Pirahna 5 were considered. (The project, if carried to its conclusion, would have had the very curious effect of giving the Canadian Army two IFVs - one being the successful CCV candidate, and the other being the upgraded in-service LAV 3. Something had to give, and since the LAV 3 was more numerous, was assembled in Canada, and jobs depended on the upgrade, it survived to become the LAV 6.0.)
By the way, the shroud around the main gun barrel is NOT armor "to protect against small arms fire" - it's too open for that. It is a barrel stabilizer which improves the gun's accuracy during rapid fire
So the PUMA is not a myth like the BIGFOOT after all!?! Back in '99, when I was a conscript with the nowadays retired PzGrenBtl342, unfortunately having to work in S1 ..should have made use of their offer to join the AVZ (recon+supply) due to lack of discipline ;) .. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS VEHICLE !!CONSTANTLY!! So now, 20 years later.....
20 years later, the vehicle is here and everybody hates it. It performes absolutely poorly. Also you should have joined the AVZ. AVZ life is best life :D
@@Frontline_view_kaiser Well, the vehicle's only been introduced, so these issues will hopefully get solved in the next months and years. YES, regarding the AVZ. I just lacked the maturity back then to make such a decision. Nowadays I would have tried to transfer to the Panzertruppe, might have fit well with my 1,71m size. ... But then I was drafted with Metzger/Maurer/Mörder and was the only one with A levels.. so staff it was.
@@damianm-nordhorn116 Ugh Staff :D I joined the AVZ as a gefreiter and I hope I can return to one as a platoonleader. There's nothing quite as grand as standing atop a wolf, racing over a plain with your vest comrade beside you
@@HanSolo__ To go into more details: The Puma is in its current state a hopeless desaster and the most embarrassing failure of a project that the army has ever produced. Folks call it "Pannenpanzer" (Fail-tank) for a reason. The tank cant safely transport soldiers taller than 185cm. The 5.56mm Coaxial MG was a dumb idea, that was immediately scrapped and required a refit as soon as serial production started. EVERYTHING is automatic, meaning that hatches, turret, motor and everything else has no failsafes for when the system crashes or power supply fails. This means in case of a system failure soldiers are more or less trapped inside (Thats why it gets called 'Germany's most expensive Sarcophagus') System breakdowns are EXTREMELY common. Failures that require minutelong reboots can happen several times to a single tank on a single day in the field. Furthermore, complete breakdowns, where the tank completely shuts down and can't be reset by its operators happen nearly every time the thing is used. Thats why soldiers have called the thing "Pannenpanzer" in the news and stated on air, that they would not want to be deployed with the vehicle. then theres some minor issues, like an incomplete leadership and radiosystem, that will eventually get fixed. Hopefully. Or the fact that the thing is super cramped and hard to exit in case of emergency. I'm fairly hopeful that most of these issues will be resolved in one way or the other
Personally I would suggest taking a look into the AMAP-ADS active defense system, developed by a daughter-company of Rheinmetall, it is being looked at as the standard ADS for the bundeswehr and uses lasers instead of shotgun rounds, it is even capable of destroying apfsds rounds. it is truly an amazing system that can be mounted on any vehicle.
"it is even capable of destroying apfsds rounds" Not the current version (using small plastic pieces). The future, improved version (using heavy metal dust) should be able to deflect the darts sideways so they cant penetrate the armor, but thats still a bit out AFAICT ADS also can be integrated or refitted into the new MUSS 2.o system*, so we'll likely see it on the Pumas sooner or later. *MUSS1 being soft kill only
A few naval vehicles to make videos on if you get the chance the Japanese Soryu-Class, the Swedish Blekinge-class, or the German Type 212/214, The Spanish S-80 Plus class, The French/Spanish Scorpène class, The Taiwanese Kuang Hua VI-class missile boat, Norwegian Skjold-class corvette, Swedish Visby-class corvette, The UAE Baynunah-class corvette, The Taiwanese Tuo Chiang-class corvette, The Finish Hamina-class missile boat, The Greek Roussen-class fast attack craft, The German Braunschweig-class corvette, USNS Montford Point and John Glenn Afloat forward stage base ship Lewis B. Puller
I agree with you Matt. Up to date sensors are a great thing an IFV absolutely must have, That being said the crew, the whole crew, needs to be able to be able revert to Mark 1 eyeball. If for no other reason than to safely get back to the supporting elements for repair. So you remember the Challenger in Iraq that was tuck in a ditch in Iraq? The enemy swarmed around it and shot out all the vision ports and sensors. Then spent a long time having firing practice with RPGS and anything else handy. Remarkably the tank held together and they were rescued. It must have been nerve racking not being able to fight back and getting hit repeatedly.
They do have such systems, of course. The problem (in peace time) is legal red tape. German tanks are actually all street legal. But if the computer system doesnt work as planned, that means the cameras arent working as planned. If some of the cameras are offline, the Puma driver cant see as well as he should, esp to the sides. And the commander cant just pop his hatch and check from the turret (because its unmanned). Thus there is an increased risk of crushing infantrists or, worse, civilians. So the standing order is: computer doesnt work as it should? Stop right there until the problem is solved. Would look very different on a Belo-Russian battlefield.
While carrying out an attack, Ratels interspersed into arrowhead-shaped formations, with a platoon of Ratel-20s and a troop of Ratel-90s on each flank, the command Ratels located in the centre, and the remaining Ratels following in reserve. If the mechanised battle group was integrated with tanks-as during Operation Hooper and Operation Packer-the tanks spearheaded the formation to engage hostile armour, while the Ratel-20s and Ratel-90s followed closely on the flanks to suppress any accompanying infantry. Ratel-81s, if present, occupied a place in the centre of the formation, directly behind the command Ratels.
For me, the Puma is the best IFV and the best looking tank i've ever seen! Yeah it has problems, but this tank is still in development. All in all a nice and informative video Matsimus! Greetings from Germany!
Rory 543 Say that to our minister of army AKK... dont get me wrong, but why do they choose womens for this task? I mean a high ranked soldier would fit way better then every other person do
@Rory 543 Its getting sorted out. BW EF typhoon have a readiness rate above 70% again (2020). Tranche 1 is bringing that down a bit, but 38 new EF T4s will be ordered in December to replace them starting 2024 or so (might keep the tranche 1 platforms around as reserve for a while). Another 93 aircraft (EFs and/or F18SHs) are going to replace the 85 elderly tornados, decision on the mix in 21 or 22. FCAS has gotten the green light (and money from all parties, unlike Tempest). 60 new heavy lift helis (CH53K or Chinook) will be ordered Feb 2021. And we are the only country in Nato except for the US that is actually working on a serious long range AA system that can take down ballistic missiles. Contract to be awarded 2021. esut.de/en/2020/08/meldungen/22243/aktualisiertes-angebot-fuer-tlvs-abgegeben/ Unlike Patriot (we just ordered a bunch of upgraded missiles for that one), it can defend a 360° circle, not just a sector. Cost estimates in the press north of 8 billion EUR.
What a supreme german Engineering..... looks effective and looks good.... not sure about the cost of resource of production but we all know its a High Quality
I served for 2 years in the Bundeswehr as a panzer grenadier. It's just a shame our government have no interest in a strong and more active army. There are realy great defense companys in Germany but they can't reach their full potential because of politic reasons.
Day after day importance of electrical technology machines increasing in side tanks from last half cold wars years and computer minds helping humans correct design....too nice video thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
GR8 Vids! Puma, Lynx, & Ajax ( my fave). But I'm confused. The Lynx comes as the KF 31 & KF 41, w/6 road wheel stations, right. The Puma is or isn't the KF 41 also w/ 5or6 stations? 🤔....hmmmm. I may have missed something. Yes, I know the Ajax is a deferent "Fish" being related to the "Ascod" family. Many thanx 👍 be safe 🦊🎃
A little information: The weapon has been moved slightly to the side so that analog optics are available in an emergency. What made the development of the turret and electronic weaponry so complicated.
Not just in an emergency, they are used alongside the digital optics. Analog optics still have a much higher effective resolution than digital ones. In case of the Puma the analog optic has a effective resolution of more than six megapixels, that's about fourteen times (!) as much as a digital CCD camera optic.
Did I hear Canada is considering these as an addition to the Leopard 2A6 for mechanized warfare!? Would they be attached to the current light infantry (mechanized) battalions mixed in with the LAV6 or attached to the armoured regiments?
I must say that the new airburst smart rounds are absolutely devastating for infantry and seems just capable of dealing with so many things. Low tier air threaths, basically DENYING cover advantage (making them kinda like artillery), destroying medium armor with APFSDS rounds... Coupled with ATGMS and maybe even ground to air missiles a modern IFV can deal with pretty much everything. Of course it's not GREAT at anything (beside hammering enemy infantry), but they can hold theyr own and help infantry with every threat. The new model for IFVs seems to be Jack of all trades, master of none. This is really brilliant, as you never REALLY know what you will end up againist, and infantry always needs support.
Awesome video and platform, thank you! I wanted some Puma content. I think it's fantastic, and it would be a great tracked platform for Canada as well. My only criticism is that a 5.56 coaxial support weapon is a pretty big oversight. At a minimum a 30 caliber coax, I mean c'mon! Other than that, good to go 👍
5:44 The German Army propably didn't choose the 5,56mm MG because of light wight and ammunition: At the time the Puma was in development, the Bundeswehr still had the 7,62mm MG3 (basically a MG42 from WWII) as their main MG on all their existing Vehicles (Marder, Leopard) and in ther infantry squads. But the MG3 was old, the infantry was about to get the new MG4 (5,56mm) and a new 7,62mm MG was in Development, so they first put the MG4 on the Puma. In 2018 they started to replace the MG4 on the Puma with the new 7,62mm MG5. For those of you who speak German: www.onetz.de/oberviechtach/vermischtes/appell-fuer-14-neue-schuetzenpanzer-die-puma-aera-bricht-an-d1850509.html
MG 5 ist ein Witz. Ist von der Form der unkompakter, hat nur 400-800 schuss feuerrate im gegensatz zur nur 1,5 Kilo schwereren MG3 Standard Version mit ihren 850-1200 schuss Feuerrate je nach V-Klappe und das für 16 Tausend Euro pro Waffe. Wieder nur eine neue Art die Wirtschaft mit Steuerverschwendung künstlich am Leben zu erhalten
I'd still prefer a top hatch with flexi mount, just in case all main gun and coax fail, at least you can still provide covering fire. Apart from that, I absolutely love the Puma, such a nice bit of kit 🤘😈
Hi Matsimus i still hope to see your opinion on the new vihicles my country ( Belgium ) bought Griffon VBMR and the ( for some reason replacing our MBT and piranha with the 90 mm ) Jaguar EBRC
Great video Matt, as usual. One thing that has not carried over from the Marder is the Milan ATGM. Granted, Milan is getting old, but do you think the Puma will add an ATGM or SAM missile?
Its Part of the Blackout Light System: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_light , called Leitkreuz, "for use when driving a convoy at night when it is necessary for the vehicles to maintain concealment by limiting their ability to be seen by the enemy."
Hi Matsimus, nice vids as always, wondering if you have had a look at the new Hanwha AS-21 Redback being proposed for the Australian Army, one of the final 2 up against the Rheinmetall Lynx KF-41 ? Interesting piece of kit being offered alongside the acquisition of the K-9 Thunders, a few clips appearing of testing online now with final selection between it and the Lynx by 2022, interesting program again with a new range of IFV's appearing in the word market :) Keep the them coming Cheers
To fully understand the Puma (and the Marder), you need to know that the German army has a different doctrine/philosophy for the use of mechanized infantry and their IFV/APCs than other NATO forces.
Most NATO armies follow the American "Battlefield Taxi" model, where the IFV/APC will drive infantry close to the front, dismount them and then either retreat to a overwatch position to give standoff fire support from there, or leave the infantry to their own devices, to independently do cavalry work, like scout for the MBTs, or pick off soft targets at the edge of the battle and stuff like that.
Based on their WW2 experience, the Germans have a different approach.
They really take the "Combined Arms" thing seriously and want their MBTs, mechanized infantry and IFV to work together, simultaneously, shoulder to shoulder, if you will.
Most modern armed forces claim to be following a Combined Arms doctrine, but in most cases it is more of a "Alternating Arms" doctrine, where different types of units might operate close to each other, but will usually try to achieve different goals, attack different targets and stay out of each other's way.
The MBTs will do their thing over there, while infantry does something else over here and the cavalry lurks around the flanks and so on.
Or they will operate in waves, where the MBTs come first and then infantry follows to mop up what the MBTs left over.
The Germans on the other hand try to overwhelm the enemy's ability to deal with any single element by mixing them all together and letting them operate like one unit, basically.
Their IFVs stay with the infantry and the MBTs, while getting other support (like artillery) where possible. No single element is ever supposed to operate without the others.
That is why for example, even though it was a German guy who invented it, the German army never used explosive reactive armor on their tanks. It would have been too much of a risk for their own infantry which was supposed to operate around the tanks and very close to them.
It is also why the Marder and the Puma are not amphibious.
They are not supposed to ever go where the Leopard 2 tanks can't go with them, so giving them the ability to swim made no sense.
And of course they need heavier armor when operating side by side with the MBTs and facing the same opposition, while at the same time having no use for bigger guns, like some variants of the CV90 for example, which have a 90mm cannon. Would be pointless to strap a MBT gun to a IFV when that IFV is always accompanied by the real MBTs anyways.
The Germans take that Combined Arms doctrine so seriously, that they basically split their army in two.
There is the main, heavy force that is all about following that doctrine and their special kind of mechanized infantry, which they call "Panzergrenadiere" is the infantry element of that.
The problem is that that heavy force can't go everywhere.
For all those places where the main "Spear Point" part of the army can't go, they have the so called "Jaeger" units.
Those are all sorts of light infantry (regular Jaegers, mountaineers, which they call "Gebirgsjaeger" and paratroopers, which are called "Fallschirmjaeger") and they are considered a different type of infantry from the Panzergrenadiere and separate from the main part of the army, because they don't follow the Combined Arms doctrine.
They are supposed to operate without heavy support, do hit and run attacks, lay ambushes and other semi guerrilla type of warfare and accordingly they get kind of a semi special forces training.
This creates this weird situation where the German army kind of doesn't really have any regular, old fashioned infantry.
All the infantry is either those Panzergrenadiers, who are specialized for basically doing tank warfare and the rest are the Jaegers, which are this weird half "guerrilla militia in uniform", half "semi special forces" thing.
I digress.
The point is just that German IFVs are a bit different because their doctrine is different and that is why they never sell well on the international market.
Even those countries that bought the Leopard MBTs, never bought the Marder or the Puma, despite them being specifically designed to operate together with the Leopards, because they didn't really fit into anyone else's doctrine.
The Marder's 20mm cannon isn't really fit for the American style "Battlefield Taxi" role, or Cavalry work and the Puma is too heavy.
That is why Rheinmetall developed the Lynx, basically as a lightweight, more Bradley- or CV90 style export version of the Puma.
Excellent comment.
Like it. I Hope the Polish Army won't go for our new IFV Borsuk and will stick to something heavier and more robust to follow the same (or close) model for backing up the Leo brigades. It should work this way cuz the armored brigades are self-sufficient organisms when the Infantry has its own model of APCs + the heavy fist of few tanks to ram the battlefront here and there. With specialized troops (rangers with APCs as well) of the fast engagement on top of that. Those can come close with the airborne folks as they do the training together from time to time. All things covered - no IFV for now. We live here now with the worst govs ever - so no wonder a swimming Rosomak IFV is the subject of any consideration other than the export.
That philosophy goes back quite a long time, Julius Caesar found the auxiliary German cavalry very effective because it operated with lightly armed very fast running infantry that would run with their cavalry amongst the horses so they would always have cavalry support. Needless to say when they took on other enemy cavalry they always won because one German would spear at you from the same horseback level with his spear while his buddy down low would spear at you from below.
American IFVs be like: dafuq de doin ova der
With some good planning the Australian Army will buy 200+ of either the Lynx or the Puma to work with the 230+ Boxers we bought.
1. I get the feeling that this would've been at the top of Erwin Rommel's wish list
2. Damn, you're seriously pumping these vids out do you even sleep.
I think he would have loved 500 WW2 Puma armored cars in the Desert Campaign.
@@2157AF 100 at The Battle of Kursk....🤤🤤😎
Covid 19 quarantine may bring some good thing too.
P.s thank WH Casher.
2. because he wants to shitt and has no toiletpaper
Huan Bui it’s covid-19
The only channel where tank reviews are a normal, expected thing made by someone who actually knows tanks
IFV's, APC's, planes, tanks, guns, and other military content.
@@VanderWallStronghold98 tanks is just a broad generalization
@@gageprince4265 ok
And no computer generated voice or fantastic bullshit about magical Russian equipment.
@@Hortifox_the_gardener underrated reply
Regarding the "cameras getting covered by dust";
There is a device that can spray water on the cameras built in and clean them like a car could.
The Puma officially got declared battle ready the last month.
It received several upgrades. It has finally now the Mells(based on Spike) anti tank rocket among other things.
RPG Team: Ah yes Cover
Puma intelegent rounds: no i dont think so
Warhead_beast programmable rounds... not intelligent, KETF Kinetic Energy Timed Fuse
@@adamleddy9894 the rounds might be timed but the magic happens with ragefinding and auto programming them to denotate behind said target. so yea you COULD call it smart in a way.
I could... hahaha but it would be wrong :) the rounds are programmable but not smart, there are two progrmming Points on the MK30-2 ABM, but the round does not course correct on its own. The overall System and electronic architchture and Backbone are fantastic as you said.
@@adamleddy9894 KETFABM
A-Air B-Burst M-Munition
God can Germany make some hot armoured vehicles 🤤🤤🤤
German engineering > all
@@aslamnurfikri7640
Please don't say such things.
We Germans have a bad history of overestimating ourselves, getting our then ignorant and arrogant assess beaten real bad.
No need to encourage us ;)
@@damianm-nordhorn116 its fine. You were beaten by a winter and the good ol accuracy through volume soviet principle
@@killthemall55
We've started and lost wars with overconfidence and arrogance before WW2.
Regarding WW2, if we hadn't been ignorant+arrogant (and listened to the logistics guys instead) we wouldn't have gotten stuck in the Russian mud and frozen to death like the French before.
Also, while we got more and more arrogant, fancying ourselves building great fantastic beasts (like tigers that took 90 seconds to turn the turret 360, couldn't turn the turret against rise and could hardly be recovered due to its weight), others were learning from our early successes, building vehicles that are mobile and would outmaneuver us:
M4.
.. Not to mention how we got shot out of the skies..
THANKFULLY that German regime back then doomed itself through its arrogance.
Damian Müller-Nordhorn Also engaging in pointless murderous destruction and occupation of your neighbours. So there’s that too. Not just the arrogance etc. ‘Lest we forget.’
I had a German-Canadian officer cadet on my BMQ so they made him do a presentation about the Puma lol
How did that Cadet do on his prsentation?
Mat, the "cameras" on the turret, which you said are for the driver, are actually the MUSS (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSS_(countermeasure) ) active protection system.
The driver has just a reversing camera.
Wikipedia ins't a valid source
staan dobber but the manufacturers site is my dude
@@Staann of course it is not, but here you are: www.hensoldt.net/products/optronics/muss-multifunctional-self-protection-for-vehicles/
oh, thats the source of the wikipedia article. I thought you could click that yourself, or do you need a hand for everytime you need to cross a street?
Instead of crying that wikipedia is not a source, use your energy to search for proper sources yourself.
@@sanderall hahaha relax dude, i wasn't saying that you are wrong. I was just pointing out that you can't refer to wikipedia as a valid source. And don't you worry, i don't need anyones help crossing the street :)
@@annelisemeier283 it's still a biased opinion but miles better than wikipedia
This tank is an absolute unit
German makes Leopard tanks. This is not a tank.
This is an Infantry Figjting vehicle. It's a highly mobile (tracked) armoured vehicle to take Infantry into combat, dismount them and then offer fire support from it's cannon.
Oh dear I can see all of the Red vs Blue references already.
What animal has tusks?
Maldus Alver “A walrus”
“I told you to stop making up animals!”
Saint Michael’s Arch Angle hey griff chupathingy how bout that
It’s got a ring too it
Look we all know the 'Hog LAAV should have been called a Puma 😅😅
Got any headlight fluid?
Excellent video! Still I have a few corrections/additions:
Protection: In the early development phase there were 3 protection variants:
A for Air transport via the A400M
B for train transport (german: Bahntransport)
C for Combat
The C variant is the basic fighting configuration. At the other variants some modular things were taken off to match the weight and size requirements for their intended transport device.
The B variant was later abandoned because train transport is also possible with the C variant. So nowadays there actually just two variants left.
The A variant is armoured against 30mm at the front and against 14.5mm all around. When the additional armour from the C variant is fitted on, the Puma becomes armoured from all sides (except the rear I believe) against 30mm, and the turret gets the same protection. Also the roof gets an additional armor against bomblets. With this variant the vehicle has also protection against RPGs from all sides due to the ERA in the Add-On-Armour (in the A variant its just the front).
That specific ERA ist kind of interesting because it cant harm nearby infantry, which was a requirement of the german army.
The german army uses the C variant as their standard loadout.
Regarding the 5.56mm coaxial machine gun, it proved to be too light for that purpose and its intended to replace it with an 7.62mm MG in the coming upgrade.
The standard smoke loadout is 8 cartridges per vehicle.
And last but not least the puma has a crew of 3 and an infantry troop of 6.
Thank you so much mat for helping us get through 1 month community quarantine, and also i hope your getting some rest, you're just pumping out these vids.
Here in Germany the media is ranting like hell about the "flaws" this IFV has not realizing that everything that is new has problems that need to be worked out
The media does the same with basically everything here. That’s why I try to avoid it.
Your media, like our media here in the US, is stuffed full of leftists / socialists who think spending *anything* on stuff that goes bang & boom is a waste of money...
...better spent on their pet causes (and buying votes).
German Media attempts to exaggerate any issue into a new Starfighter-Crisis tbh. And their headlines stick to the people. When unfortunate circumstances rendered all four German submarines out of service the Media was right there taunting the Navy over it - and even 4 years later people seem to believe that Germany still doesn't have any submarines in service.
Or that one time they mixed up (or blatantly lied) about the readiness of our fighters, claiming only four of them to be "ready at all times". What they didn't know was those four being our two scramble pairs which were sitting armed and fueled right next to the runway to take off within minutes after alert. Arming and fueling a plane takes some time so the planes wouldn't be able to go up within minutes = The Luftwaffe is not ready for action.
The media hates the military.
@@ironwolfF1 tru dat!
You're on a roll my brother.
Thank You so much.
Many of the technologies used are backed up or redundant, or another system can step in and take over broken or failed sensors. The driver and commander or the loader can take over each other's duties from their seats. So even if something fails, it is quite certain that it would not be a total failure and the vehicle would remain operational. So you don't have to shit your pants when it fails - it takes a lot more than a failed sensor to keep this device from doing its job.
Almost at 300k congrats
6:18 you're right Mat, that's just you. Personally, and I know many others like me do enjoy the sensation of a supersonic fire-starting solid metal rod obliterating my torso. Its uhh... very liberating.
Excellent video, Mat! I just recently built a scale model kit of this. The overall design looks pretty neat and I did see all cameras and some operational features. This thing is also big compared to the Marder
The lynx is basically a more refined marder hull with rheinmetalls (manned) lance turret. rheimetall developed the lynx on their own for export. the puma is made in cooperation between rheinmetall and KMW and much more advanced (unmanned turret, hydropneumatic supension, all around rpg protection, soft kill for atgms etc)
Is that thing ready yet?
The last time I read about it they still had some issues. People above 1.84m height are not allowed inside.
41 Pumas had to be upgraded for the NATO VTJF Mission. Additional costs: 723 million Euro.
Spareparts are scarce.
In a presentation with a german camera team they had some problem with the electrical system. Supposedly the e-fuse blew which would cause the tank to stop. They had to reset the fuse to get it running again.
That was like half a year ago. Not sure how many problems remain as of today since you rarely hear anything about them in public media.
But our ministry of defense is notorious for messing up contracts and ending up with equipment that has issues, is delayed, lacks spare parts and is way more expensive than it was supposed to be.
yendak these problems probably still persist and will be fixed over time. But I doubt the height problem claim, it sounds very much like the headline one or two years ago, that after some 40 years of usage they finally figured out that the cockpit lighting in the Tornado is to bright and therefore it’s unusable for night time flights, when in reality the report, that was used for this headline was written by one pilot who felt like the lighting was a little bit to bright for his personal preference.
Also every MOD is notorious for these dumb mistakes, the British for example:
-their Challenger tanks are the only tanks that use two part ammo, the MOD closed down the only factory that produces that round years ago and now the British are desperately looking for a new gun, because the use by date on their ammo is coming up
-the list of the problems of their new Type 45 destroyers is so long, that it has its own section in the Wikipedia article, the biggest is probably that they are so loud, that Russian subs can hear them hundreds of miles away
The other MODs aren’t better, with project like the F-35, Zumwalt and Armata.
@@roadrunner6224 The height restriction is needed for the decoupled mine protection seats. If the vehicle runs over a mine or IED the seats dampen the (potentially fatal) shockwave. They recoil slightly in the process, requiring a certain above head clearance so no one is smashed into the ceiling. Not really an issue since 80% of german males and 99% of german females are smaller than 1.84 m. Keep in mind, most IFVs don't even have mine protection seats at all.
With the height its true but only for the 6 soldier in the back the gunner, driver and commander can be up to 1,91m but nobody cares about the 1.86m. The problems getting slowly less its a new system with a lot of electrical systems when you look to the f35 its the same, its delayed and way more expensive than it was supposed to be
@@roadrunner6224 Yeah but these MOD's are lead by someone who probably at least served in any branch of the forces... our hero is joke who got her position so that the CDU can keep it in their ranks and won't lose it to an other partie.
What the public often doesn't realize - and the politics aren't helping for setting things straight (because they and their incompetence are often the culprit) - is the fact the costs explode not because of bad engineering - but constant modification requests. These vehicles aren't engineered to a set time line. They are engineered - then a couple of vehicles are built - and tested in the field - and then ongoing modifications happen.
Even while the first batch of vehicles are delivered - requested modifications after the fact have to be done and retrofitted while building the series.
Altough it's called an "industry" - these companies operate more as "manufacturers". This doesn't work like the car industry for example in high volumes industrialized production.
Also - the PUMA is not a Rheinmetall only vehicle. It's a cooperation between KMW and Rheinmetall.
Main gun has Optomechanical connection from gunsights to gunner . It is no different to traditional manned turret in terms of vulnerability. Pumas turret is unmanned but still has basket below it. I had a chance to have a look into one during exhibition. The hanging seats and zip bags for rifles are genius. Interior is really tidy (anybody who was hit by flying ammobox or rifle during rollover or ied will agree :D). The rubber hedgehog all over top of the vehicle protects it against bomblets and heat submunition. And integrated spike allows puma gunner to shoot over horizon, fire and forget, switch to atgm camera and change target midflight. Each wheel module consist of one fuel tank suspension and one wheel. It is easy to maintan and replace, and you can cut off damaged fuel tank and not lose too much fuel. In addition fuel tanks provide addition protection to sides from outside. KMW (maybe with diehl ?) is now working on segmented hybrid rubber tracks for Puma. It will consist of 1-2 meter segments of hybrid rubber track. This solution will provide all benefits of rubber tracks combined with easo of maintenance of traditional tracks.
"It is no different to traditional manned turret in terms of vulnerability."
The point isnt better protection of the turret. The point is that without people in the turret you dont need to waste nearly as much armor on it. That means you save weight to play with for increasing the armor protection of the main hull, while keeping the thing light enough to be air transportable ina A400M.
Turrets can be replaced. Lost lives cant.
Canada is considering it? Like it did with the CV90?
Perhaps on paper, Ottawa is to cheap to bring such a project and source it. They'd likely cancel it and cost us millions or billions to back out before the Infantry ever got one.
Yeah the US would rather develop one in house instead of importing so after we develop it in 20 years you'll get it in 40
As a Brit it amazes me that Ottowa is still the Capital of Canada considering it literally glows in the Dark from Radium Factories there.
@@bremnersghost948 I mean if you get enough following you could always make the capital London
@@Callsign_Prophet No Thanks I'm a Yorkshireman, London is far too open for Corruption & Invasion
@@bremnersghost948 Well we could make the capital D.C. but the US is already called imperialist enough and I'm not too sure that would help...
Pumping out the vids matt! good job!
With militarizing nations and a growing appetite for defense. *("cough cough". China eyeing it's neighbors, eastern europe and middle east)* more developments of different military gear such as this for export, would bring in a lot of money and maybe even influence.
I think germany will swallow eastern europe without problem but at end of day turkey must stabilize middleast :)
@@mursalwarsame5839 I'm just waiting for Mexico to be stabilized so NAU can get open borders like the US states do
@@mursalwarsame5839 I doubt turkey can do that. It's either Iran or Saudi Arabia.
What sort of military force designed to fight China doctors and medical supplies?
Military vehicles is kinda useless against China in these days. China is fighting a war on reputation, they appeared to be winning...... while the whole Europe is in a infighting on medical supplies. While here in the US we still have lots of fun basses not staying at home.
@@ihatecabbage7270 the only reason china is winning in reputation is because some of the countries to rival it, doesn't have the backbone or political willpower to focus on challenging it. Or they are distracted by other things that they let go immediately. Which leaves some smaller weaker nations gradually losing their power to China as even when they look around for someone, anyone to counter china. There's no alternative because those that can counter are either divided, or aren't interested at all. Then asking why they are losing to china when their inaction was one of the main culprits.
The terror of anything on it's BR
Hey Mat when you were pointing out the cameras, the ones you marked yellow are not actually cameras this are sensors for the "MUSS". This system uses the sensors to track if a laser is targeting the tank and allows to use the board smoke in 3 different ways, one of is full automatic, means the tank will use smoke in the direction the laser is coming from.
On the other hand with the new Puma version there are a high number of cameras surrounding the tank.
Greetings
Above the commander sight is a soft kill protection system. It is a dazzler against laser guided missles. Maybe it can defeat other guided systems as well, but I don't know all the details about it.
The West is really reluctant when it comes to new untested technology being applied to its ground vehicles lately. Seeing an IFV like this I think is a really good idea to kickstart things.
wouldn't be surprised to see the US going into WWIII with shit from the 1960s
Too nice video with clear explaining of PUMA vehicle with highly quality characters of two versions with most abilities of protects systems Germany has successfully historic production of armoury and vehicle until today...🖐👍❤🇩🇪🤝🇺🇸🤝🇨🇦❤👍🖐
I'm in love with a German cat 😍
With 'A' German cat?
No one would judge you negatively for being polyamorous ;)
Thorny Dig8 You clearly have a problem with obsession over more than just this AFV. Sad.
I just find it amazing how you guys love this thing but here in Germany we get news report after report that like nothing in the Bundeswehr is working😂 there is for example a video where reporters are in a puma with the crew, the doorhydraulic fails and they already know what to do and say that this happens quite often
@@Benjo.1205 Lass dich von der Politik und den Medien nicht vorführen. Ich weiß Aluhut-Lügenpresse. Nein, nein. Ich meine das durchaus faktenbasiert. Leider ist die Politik und die Medienlandschaft stark von Lobbyisten unterwandert.
Politiker laufen "Nebenjobs" hinterher und setzen sich so für die Interessen der Industrie ein. Es gibt aber auch Idealisten im Parlament und im Rat, und die wollen nicht immer das Geld freigeben um der Bundeswehr neues Spielzeug zu kaufen.
Oder das neue Spielzeug wird Schlechtgeredet, weil man bspw. eh den amerikanischen Bradley bevorzugt hat, etc.
Die Einsatzbereitschaft ist auf einem hohen Niveau gegeben, das Material weltweit gefragt. Leopard 2, Panzerhaubitze 2000, Puma, G36, die "Brennstoffzellen-U-Boote" mit dem leisesten Antrieb ihrer Klasse, diverse Minen- und Torpedoboote, Korvetten und Fregatten aus deutschen Werften... das gilt alles als modernstes und hochqualitatives Material. Selbst der Eurofighter und der Eurocopoter (Tiger) sind, nachdem ihre Kinderkrankheiten beseitigt wurden, mittlerweile formidable Waffensysteme.
Auch ist die Bundeswehr keineswegs unterfinanziert. Wir haben einen der höchsten Militäretats weltweit. Die Verteidigungsministerin hat es nur gerne Beratern hinterhergeschoben...
Man will übrigens auch deshalb eigene Waffensysteme um diese Waffen immer und unabhängig von der Auffassung anderer Staaten einsetzen zu können. Deshalb kaufen wir bspw. keine Waffen aus den USA.
Außerdem steht die hiesige Industrie in der Gunst der Politik sehr hoch. Da geht es um Deals in Höhe von hunderten von Millionen EURO. Und im Gegenzug investieren viele Fremdregierungen in Deutschland. Ich nenne jetzt mal Saudi Arabien als Beispiel (schaut euch mal an an welchen Unternehmen die hohe Aktienanteile halten).
Rheinmetall unterhält übrigens auch ein Werk in der Türkei. Wenn man das weiß wird schnell klar warum die Deutschen so gemäßigt der Türkei in der Politik gegenüber auftreten, obwohl dort faktisch eine totalitäre Diktatur herrscht und die Türkei Bündnispartner bedroht und mit Flüchtlingen die EU erpresst.
Matt, agree, agree, agree to all your comments and observations on this Puma! Then again, you also my attitude on such by now. Soldier on, Matt. God bless.
I did love the aging Marder though, maneuver along side with them and their Leopards.
Thanks for providing contentional support for my own Donward Gorona Bonanza Spiral of Chaos!
Seriously, thanks you for keeping me not bored at times when I'm in my own quarantine
I really wish we would get these. Might be one of the best pieces of kit the CF has ever seen. On the other hand, all that electronic stuff....hope it has EMP shielding built in.
of course it has. Basically all modern vehicles have that.
@@Hortifox_the_gardener Part of what makes them so expensive.
You're quick these days, aren't you?
Apple Islander thank god the video I saw earlier today was all German lol
covid19 lot of time for inside job :)
That's what she said ...
The applique armour can be quickly added. The idea is to send out four A400M transports, 3 have pumas and 1 carries the armour which can be added within a few hours.
Freggin Bad Ass 🇩🇪♥️💪
Love that miniature example of the tank sabot round that's awesome. Would love to have that.
Watching these types of videos I've noticed ammo counts in modern Armoured vehicles is really damn low.
Like This thing carrying 400 Cannon rounds and 2k Ammo round (even if its best described as a light machinegun) seems to be rather impressive for its class.
Stowed in the front left side.... Looks like a weakness to me.
If you can laser the aim point and have the 30mm round explode 2m above the head of the enemy, you dont nearly need as many rounds as in cold war vehicles.
@@positroll7870 tell that to Gulf War veterans
@@reggiebuffat One should not believe everything the tank building companies promise. OTOH, computers, optics etc have made a lot of progress over the last 30 years. The Puma's gun is fully stabilized and accurate enough that it even can be used against airborne threats like small drones. Hitting a window or cleaning a trench with it is no problem.
Hi Matt. Keep up the good work for those of us that are into canons and armour.
Hottest, fastest and well equipped IFV, right?
PRobably the best IFV in world.. and probably the best IFV family in the world for last 20 years... something that USA ARMY have to learn.. how to do a IFV.
Great video man! How about one on the Radpanzer 90?
The reason for the 5.56mm machine gun option is :
1. room for more ammo.
2. more ammo for the infantry team, as they can also use those rounds in their guns, if needed.
Germany makes the best stuff still. I love that Lil weasel
You're absolutely right about the smoke dispensers, I would also say they need/must disperse them. If that turret gets hit in the rear then ALL of the ability to conceal is pontentialy gone.
Like you say, the Puma really has stolen my heart away from the CV90 🤩
This is the 2nd FGR Army Puma, the first one was not in service, i saw it in the 80s in a german military published Magazin , only a few fotos in the Magazin from Chassistrials, for me it looked a bit boxy and all fotos showed the vehicle without Turret during tests but the written report said that they planned several armament/gun option and this Puma Prototyp would be the successor for the Marder 1.
I wish we could replace our front line Bradley's with this
Be very careful what you wish for .....
@Joshua N. Ajang
I honestly can't understand it either
@Joshua N. Ajang
I agree. Have some user input
Recently I saw a report regarding the Puma that it suffers a lot of technical difficulties. The opposition said that it was rolled out of development too early and that certain flaws were only discovered after the fist batch was delivered. To save cost the government did not order enough spare parts. This means that there is a shortage of working tanks to train troops - tanks have to be cannibalized for spare parts - use two to create one working tank.
In the report the tanks engine stopped in the open field - to restart the engine the main plug had to be pulled to remove power and hard reboot the system - taking about 6 minutes. You cannot afford 6 minutes downtime in battle.
3 videos in 1 day. Matsimus you tease
Best aifv I seen so far much better equipped than the Japanese ifv. And it has ac too. Such a plus.
Huh, it looks like some kind of large animal. Like pig, or a boar, or- I know! It looks like a warthog! Yeah, I'm going to call it the warthog.
*A-10 grunt noises*
@@appleislander8536 *ANGRY "BRRRRT" NOISES*
Or Chupathingy, how about that? Its got a ring to it
Rather a war-hog ...
'Thank GOD'🙏🏾 and thank you very much for sharing your support and time 😉 I agree with you 🙄; there should be MORE SMOKE devices to protect the crew and vehicle 🚜
Reminds me of a red vs blue episode.
Lynx vs Puma?
@Joshua N. Ajang I don't actually know.
Matsimus - thanks for the vid, but Canada is NOT considering the purchase of this vehicle, as suggested at 10:40. Yes, the Canadian Army launched a Close Combat Vehicle (CCV) acquisition project as a result of experience in Afghanistan, but it was unceremoniously cancelled in 2013 after the government slashed the Army's baseline budget. Puma was never a candidate to begin with; only CV90, VBCI, and Pirahna 5 were considered. (The project, if carried to its conclusion, would have had the very curious effect of giving the Canadian Army two IFVs - one being the successful CCV candidate, and the other being the upgraded in-service LAV 3. Something had to give, and since the LAV 3 was more numerous, was assembled in Canada, and jobs depended on the upgrade, it survived to become the LAV 6.0.)
Dose anyone know where I can buy an r3? Might need one bc the Chung flu
The one whit the 20mil
@@jamestosi6592 Tell me please it's not some kind of war-thunder-oftanks Oerlikon 20mm autocannon code name?
By the way, the shroud around the main gun barrel is NOT armor "to protect against small arms fire" - it's too open for that. It is a barrel stabilizer which improves the gun's accuracy during rapid fire
So the PUMA is not a myth like the BIGFOOT after all!?!
Back in '99, when I was a conscript with the nowadays retired PzGrenBtl342, unfortunately having to work in S1
..should have made use of their offer to join the AVZ (recon+supply) due to lack of discipline ;) ..
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS VEHICLE !!CONSTANTLY!!
So now, 20 years later.....
20 years later, the vehicle is here and everybody hates it.
It performes absolutely poorly.
Also you should have joined the AVZ.
AVZ life is best life :D
@@Frontline_view_kaiser
Well, the vehicle's only been introduced, so these issues will hopefully get solved in the next months and years.
YES, regarding the AVZ.
I just lacked the maturity back then to make such a decision.
Nowadays I would have tried to transfer to the Panzertruppe, might have fit well with my 1,71m size.
... But then I was drafted with Metzger/Maurer/Mörder and was the only one with A levels.. so staff it was.
@@damianm-nordhorn116 Ugh Staff :D
I joined the AVZ as a gefreiter and I hope I can return to one as a platoonleader.
There's nothing quite as grand as standing atop a wolf, racing over a plain with your vest comrade beside you
@@Frontline_view_kaiser Nice chit-chat you guys have here. But I'm more to ask the issues for Puma is hated. Any points would be much appreciated.
@@HanSolo__ To go into more details:
The Puma is in its current state a hopeless desaster and the most embarrassing failure of a project that the army has ever produced. Folks call it "Pannenpanzer" (Fail-tank) for a reason.
The tank cant safely transport soldiers taller than 185cm.
The 5.56mm Coaxial MG was a dumb idea, that was immediately scrapped and required a refit as soon as serial production started.
EVERYTHING is automatic, meaning that hatches, turret, motor and everything else has no failsafes for when the system crashes or power supply fails. This means in case of a system failure soldiers are more or less trapped inside (Thats why it gets called 'Germany's most expensive Sarcophagus')
System breakdowns are EXTREMELY common. Failures that require minutelong reboots can happen several times to a single tank on a single day in the field. Furthermore, complete breakdowns, where the tank completely shuts down and can't be reset by its operators happen nearly every time the thing is used. Thats why soldiers have called the thing "Pannenpanzer" in the news and stated on air, that they would not want to be deployed with the vehicle.
then theres some minor issues, like an incomplete leadership and radiosystem, that will eventually get fixed. Hopefully.
Or the fact that the thing is super cramped and hard to exit in case of emergency.
I'm fairly hopeful that most of these issues will be resolved in one way or the other
Thank you for putting out this content. Outstanding!👍
Grif, are you making up names?
Personally I would suggest taking a look into the AMAP-ADS active defense system, developed by a daughter-company of Rheinmetall, it is being looked at as the standard ADS for the bundeswehr and uses lasers instead of shotgun rounds, it is even capable of destroying apfsds rounds. it is truly an amazing system that can be mounted on any vehicle.
"it is even capable of destroying apfsds rounds"
Not the current version (using small plastic pieces).
The future, improved version (using heavy metal dust) should be able to deflect the darts sideways so they cant penetrate the armor, but thats still a bit out AFAICT
ADS also can be integrated or refitted into the new MUSS 2.o system*, so we'll likely see it on the Pumas sooner or later.
*MUSS1 being soft kill only
Germany is really good at make fully loaded luxury things :)
A few naval vehicles to make videos on if you get the chance
the Japanese Soryu-Class, the Swedish Blekinge-class, or the German Type 212/214, The Spanish S-80 Plus class, The French/Spanish Scorpène class,
The Taiwanese Kuang Hua VI-class missile boat, Norwegian Skjold-class corvette, Swedish Visby-class corvette, The UAE Baynunah-class corvette, The Taiwanese Tuo Chiang-class corvette, The Finish Hamina-class missile boat, The Greek Roussen-class fast attack craft, The German Braunschweig-class corvette,
USNS Montford Point and John Glenn Afloat forward stage base ship Lewis B. Puller
5.56 mm machine gun - it can be fired in an urban skirmish, without less collateral.
without less? So you mean it will bring more collateral damage?
@@bly2489 Nice catch.
@@karlvongazenberg8398 Sorry, I just couldn't resist being a smartass
@@bly2489 Sometimes I make mistakes and cannot kill all the wittnesses. ;)
I agree with you Matt. Up to date sensors are a great thing an IFV absolutely must have, That being said the crew, the whole crew, needs to be able to be able revert to Mark 1 eyeball. If for no other reason than to safely get back to the supporting elements for repair.
So you remember the Challenger in Iraq that was tuck in a ditch in Iraq? The enemy swarmed around it and shot out all the vision ports and sensors. Then spent a long time having firing practice with RPGS and anything else handy. Remarkably the tank held together and they were rescued. It must have been nerve racking not being able to fight back and getting hit repeatedly.
113 views and 28 likes are u kiddin me?
@Joshua N. Ajang and now i should say 40k views and 3k likes? r u kidding me?
@Joshua N. Ajang u wont understand what im sayin
Is the rubber mats on top the haul and turret? If so, great idea. I bet the crews love that.
its so called "hedgehog armor", designed to disrupt and stop Bomblet Submunitions. (there are clusterbombs designed to hit tank formations)
The Germans seem to have love of big cats.
Well, a Leopard can tear enemy forces apart much better than a kitten.😂🇩🇪
My favorite IFV. The Ryefield Models Puma IFV is a great 1/35th model if anybody wants one for display. Built mine a couple months back.
Could you consider making a video about
1. Borsuk IFV
2. Rak Self propelled mortar
you are absolut right, there have to be lowtec backup systems to ensure basic functionality in the worst case
They do have such systems, of course.
The problem (in peace time) is legal red tape. German tanks are actually all street legal.
But if the computer system doesnt work as planned, that means the cameras arent working as planned. If some of the cameras are offline, the Puma driver cant see as well as he should, esp to the sides. And the commander cant just pop his hatch and check from the turret (because its unmanned). Thus there is an increased risk of crushing infantrists or, worse, civilians.
So the standing order is: computer doesnt work as it should? Stop right there until the problem is solved.
Would look very different on a Belo-Russian battlefield.
What do You think about the bushmaster 50mm cannon?
While carrying out an attack, Ratels interspersed into arrowhead-shaped formations, with a platoon of Ratel-20s and a troop of Ratel-90s on each flank, the command Ratels located in the centre, and the remaining Ratels following in reserve. If the mechanised battle group was integrated with tanks-as during Operation Hooper and Operation Packer-the tanks spearheaded the formation to engage hostile armour, while the Ratel-20s and Ratel-90s followed closely on the flanks to suppress any accompanying infantry. Ratel-81s, if present, occupied a place in the centre of the formation, directly behind the command Ratels.
Note that the Ratel can operate with either Infantry, or with MBT, Olifant MK1A, or BOTH!
Both
For me, the Puma is the best IFV and the best looking tank i've ever seen! Yeah it has problems, but this tank is still in development.
All in all a nice and informative video Matsimus!
Greetings from Germany!
Rory 543 Say that to our minister of army AKK... dont get me wrong, but why do they choose womens for this task? I mean a high ranked soldier would fit way better then every other person do
@Rory 543 Its getting sorted out.
BW EF typhoon have a readiness rate above 70% again (2020).
Tranche 1 is bringing that down a bit, but 38 new EF T4s will be ordered in December to replace them starting 2024 or so (might keep the tranche 1 platforms around as reserve for a while).
Another 93 aircraft (EFs and/or F18SHs) are going to replace the 85 elderly tornados, decision on the mix in 21 or 22.
FCAS has gotten the green light (and money from all parties, unlike Tempest).
60 new heavy lift helis (CH53K or Chinook) will be ordered Feb 2021.
And we are the only country in Nato except for the US that is actually working on a serious long range AA system that can take down ballistic missiles. Contract to be awarded 2021.
esut.de/en/2020/08/meldungen/22243/aktualisiertes-angebot-fuer-tlvs-abgegeben/
Unlike Patriot (we just ordered a bunch of upgraded missiles for that one), it can defend a 360° circle, not just a sector.
Cost estimates in the press north of 8 billion EUR.
What a supreme german Engineering..... looks effective and looks good.... not sure about the cost of resource of production but we all know its a High Quality
I served for 2 years in the Bundeswehr as a panzer grenadier. It's just a shame our government have no interest in a strong and more active army. There are realy great defense companys in Germany but they can't reach their full potential because of politic reasons.
The "cameras" you reffer to at 8.29 are the sensors of the MUSS softkill system anti missle, not cameras for the crew
Day after day importance of electrical technology machines increasing in side tanks from last half cold wars years and computer minds helping humans correct design....too nice video thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
GR8 Vids! Puma, Lynx, & Ajax ( my fave). But I'm confused. The Lynx comes as the KF 31 & KF 41, w/6 road wheel stations, right. The Puma is or isn't the KF 41 also w/ 5or6 stations? 🤔....hmmmm. I may have missed something. Yes, I know the Ajax is a deferent "Fish" being related to the "Ascod" family. Many thanx 👍 be safe 🦊🎃
A little information: The weapon has been moved slightly to the side so that analog optics are available in an emergency.
What made the development of the turret and electronic weaponry so complicated.
Not just in an emergency, they are used alongside the digital optics. Analog optics still have a much higher effective resolution than digital ones. In case of the Puma the analog optic has a effective resolution of more than six megapixels, that's about fourteen times (!) as much as a digital CCD camera optic.
If you see closely all the cameras have wipers so don't need to worry about cameras getting covered with dust or mud
Great work.
Have you created a program on the Australian "Land400" project of do you have a link to that video?
Did I hear Canada is considering these as an addition to the Leopard 2A6 for mechanized warfare!? Would they be attached to the current light infantry (mechanized) battalions mixed in with the LAV6 or attached to the armoured regiments?
I must say that the new airburst smart rounds are absolutely devastating for infantry and seems just capable of dealing with so many things. Low tier air threaths, basically DENYING cover advantage (making them kinda like artillery), destroying medium armor with APFSDS rounds... Coupled with ATGMS and maybe even ground to air missiles a modern IFV can deal with pretty much everything. Of course it's not GREAT at anything (beside hammering enemy infantry), but they can hold theyr own and help infantry with every threat. The new model for IFVs seems to be Jack of all trades, master of none. This is really brilliant, as you never REALLY know what you will end up againist, and infantry always needs support.
Awesome video and platform, thank you! I wanted some Puma content. I think it's fantastic, and it would be a great tracked platform for Canada as well. My only criticism is that a 5.56 coaxial support weapon is a pretty big oversight. At a minimum a 30 caliber coax, I mean c'mon! Other than that, good to go 👍
Finally, thank you very much! Now all that remains is the Marder alone :)
5:44 The German Army propably didn't choose the 5,56mm MG because of light wight and ammunition: At the time the Puma was in development, the Bundeswehr still had the 7,62mm MG3 (basically a MG42 from WWII) as their main MG on all their existing Vehicles (Marder, Leopard) and in ther infantry squads. But the MG3 was old, the infantry was about to get the new MG4 (5,56mm) and a new 7,62mm MG was in Development, so they first put the MG4 on the Puma. In 2018 they started to replace the MG4 on the Puma with the new 7,62mm MG5.
For those of you who speak German:
www.onetz.de/oberviechtach/vermischtes/appell-fuer-14-neue-schuetzenpanzer-die-puma-aera-bricht-an-d1850509.html
MG 5 ist ein Witz. Ist von der Form der unkompakter, hat nur 400-800 schuss feuerrate im gegensatz zur nur 1,5 Kilo schwereren MG3 Standard Version mit ihren 850-1200 schuss Feuerrate je nach V-Klappe und das für 16 Tausend Euro pro Waffe.
Wieder nur eine neue Art die Wirtschaft mit Steuerverschwendung künstlich am Leben zu erhalten
By the way, it can also used as a anti-aircraft cannon to some extent (even against combat aircraft!).
I know it is retired but I would like to see you do a M 93 reconnaissance vehicle video. Please. Thank you. 🤞🙏👋
The most modern and best IFV in the world. The only reasons why it isn't bought yet is that it's too heavy and hella expensive.
I'd still prefer a top hatch with flexi mount, just in case all main gun and coax fail, at least you can still provide covering fire. Apart from that, I absolutely love the Puma, such a nice bit of kit 🤘😈
Hi Matsimus i still hope to see your opinion on the new vihicles my country ( Belgium ) bought Griffon VBMR and the ( for some reason replacing our MBT and piranha with the 90 mm ) Jaguar EBRC
Great video Matt, as usual. One thing that has not carried over from the Marder is the Milan ATGM. Granted, Milan is getting old, but do you think the Puma will add an ATGM or SAM missile?
Puma will recieve a dual Spike-LR ATGM launcher on the left turret side.
Question: what are those little shields with the crosses on which German vehicles have on the back for?
Its Part of the Blackout Light System: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_light , called Leitkreuz, "for use when driving a convoy at night when it is necessary for the vehicles to maintain concealment by limiting their ability to be seen by the enemy."
I plan to design my own APC and IFV as well. The IFV will be called Carabao while the APC will be called Tamaraw. Both will be amphibious.
6:58 That Puma sign! The Bundeswehr should sell that stuff in a fan shop!
I have an official coffee pot from the Puma with that sign on it xD
Thanks buddy, very informative video. Would you do a video comparing Boxer and Pirhanna 5, please?
Hi Matsimus, nice vids as always, wondering if you have had a look at the new Hanwha AS-21 Redback being proposed for the Australian Army, one of the final 2 up against the Rheinmetall Lynx KF-41 ? Interesting piece of kit being offered alongside the acquisition of the K-9 Thunders, a few clips appearing of testing online now with final selection between it and the Lynx by 2022, interesting program again with a new range of IFV's appearing in the word market :)
Keep the them coming
Cheers