Nah. Its not masculine or feminine. Its product that is made with malice and spite to the original IP, and that which loved it and exists within it. You can have your feminist icon in Mara Jade, Admiral Daala, Winter, Mon Mothma (from the novels) Jaina Solo, Ayla Secura, or any number of dozens and hundreds of awesome female characters from the EU. But Disney dosnt want to pay royalties to the original writers, it dosnt want to share. Theres a reason Disney refuses to use the EU, its because they have to negotiate with those writers and Disney cant be the absolute beast on the block if its negotiating with little nobody writers. Even if some of them are really really well known, and bankable talents. This is Disney pride, greed and posture as a world power, holding it back. Not just the feminists behind the scenes. Theres a confluence of really big issues behind the scenes.
Which is hilarious and so messed up because they're all, "We're providing a place for young female filmmakers..." And just yapping on and on when... Are any of these projects making anybody recognized for their filmmaking abilities? Are these new talents anymore or have they resorted to using older actors for fan service and celebrity (and celebrity "activist") casting to try to help boost their profits?
"Strong leader": Padme - elected ruler, fought corruption in the Senate and saved her people from an invasion by putting her life on the line ❌ Leia - rebel alliance leader, fought a tyrannical military dictatorship and freed the galaxy by putting her life on the line ❌ Shmi - a selfless mother prepared to put her son's future above her own needs, radiates love, vulnerability, openness, dignity and compassion without hesitation. ❌ Aniseya - witch that complained about "oppression" regarding her secret magic rituals involving children, manipulated the Jedi when her actions were at risk of scrutiny ✅
@@ackyfacky4332 and the shills call Sols reaction to that murder... The only thing that Sol is to blame for is failure to control his own feelings like a Jedi should.
I never saw star wars as anything other than an everyone brand. Disney trying to retroactively skew it one way or another is only dividing the series even more
Bingo. Ventress was an odd addition during the clone wars animated series(before the CG) because it seemed weird that they were adding so many dark-side force users during that period of history where the rule of 2 was in effect as Dark Jedi wasn't really a common idea at the time. It was a lore confusion issue, but she proved to be an interesting addition. Mara Jade made her obvious impact and we aren't going to touch that Jaina is the main hero of one of the most beloved book series of the EU Bastila Shan was only considered annoying because she was an arrogant know-it-all that basically instantly fell to the dark side when pressed on it. I still like her anyway And my personal favorite Han Solo origin story is a book trilogy that clearly reads as a woman's fanfic full with self-insert, but it was so well written and worked so well that I actively dodged the bullet of the movie because I had my origin story.
@@knightofarnor2552 It was written by A.C. Crispin. It's first book is called The Paradise Snare. I love it so much. Again, warning, it does have all the earmarks of fanfiction, but if you aren't erked by those kinds of things, it is actually really well told. Even has the scene where he and Lando gamble... and explains why they are on such bad terms when they meet at cloud city... and even a few decent reasons why Han wants nothing to do with the rebellion.
Agreed. As a long time Star Wars fan that HAPPENS to be a woman, Star Wars was an everyone brand until Disney made it a “female brand”. Now nobody likes this crap.
I had the exact opposite experience as you when I was a kid! I remember running up to some boys outside durring recess and asking if I could play Star Wars with them, and they told me I had to be C-3PO because all the other roles were filled. I asked about being Princess Leia and they said “no Jack is already being her you have to be C-3PO.” This was in 2009. For me it was NEVER a “boys thing”. Sure more boys liked it, but it wasn’t “for boys” specifically.
@@sistersamich2075 I mostly got mocked for loving star wars as a kid. Though a buddy of mine and I had some great lightsaber duels. We had dismemberment rules, which at one point devolved to us putting the sabers between our legs and speed walking towards each other. Lest we have to admit defeat.
What’s funny is that the franchise was aimed a boys. It’s a war story with a heroes journey, but it had something for everyone… Disney missed that point and wanted to make it for girls(or at least the writers room) and alienating it s primary demographic.
@@charlesman8722 Absolutely right. I think, they just wanted an empty shell, were they can just put in their own messaging. They need such a shell, because else NOBODY would watch their drivel. They basically dont care what Star Wars is all about or what made it successful. People like KK just care about the message they want to spread.
I do hope the 2 women that watched the acolyte (compared to the 3 men) liked the portrayal of osha: a strong female protagonist, being turned to the dark side in about 2 days and already emotionally subdued after 1 day, because the psychopathic murderer villain was hot.
Yeah... I mean... I don't want to defend the Acolyte. But Bastila kind of did the same thing in Kotor... Minus the "the guy was hot" angle. Unless you are a dark side Revan.
@@TheSouloftheDragon For sure Osha had none of the same... THAT SAID!!! Malek did make it seem like he wasn't trying to torture her as much as he was trying to get her to get a taste of how powerful she could be with the dark side... but by that same metric... it could just be the torture breaking her enough for her to buy in just to make it stop. It does explain why she flips back so easily when I show up to the star forge.
This video makes some very good points. It's not that The Acolyte is a female focused romance (based on creators comments) show but that it's so poorly written it makes Twilight look like high art. Then on top of that they have the gall to make it majorly affect the mainline story, while also messing up in-universe mechanics. Star Wars is absolutely a setting that could play host to stories across all sorts of genres and attracting all sorts of demographics. The issue is the absolutely terrible quality of writing and how much it's negatively impacting the universe and mainline.
That girl talking about giving advice to aspiring filmmakers is toxic. The advice she's giving is literally not helpful. At all. I watched this youtube short with some of the greatest movie makers of our time, and they all had one message: just go out there and make a movie. Shoot whatever you want. None of that male vs female bs.
I’m a female Star Wars fan. Since I was a child I have been watching, and rewatching the saga. (With the exception of Disney’s trilogy) It’s so disappointing and frustrating that executives think that women want to see women be “girlbosses” and nothing else so they continue to screw up the whole SW universe. We just want a good storyline!! (To be honest at this point I want them to stop making new additions to the franchise. ) I don’t care about the protagonist gender, I want a good story😭
"I don’t care about the protagonist gender, I want a good story" 100% this. It's utterly maddening to see Disney's handling of the SW universe. They continually show that they have little to no understanding or care for the characters and I suspect they don't understand what drives men or women to watch one show over another - they've just distilled things down to virtue signaling. My girlfriend has no interest in mainline Star Wars but she liked Mando because it brought a storyline and character development that were interesting to her. I suspect if they somehow combined Law and Order and Star Wars she'd become an overnight addict -- it even sounds like something I might watch with her (I know this is probably a terrible idea and there is a reason I am not a writer :D). It wouldn't be important, but they could even have a girl boss like an Olivia, but they need to take time and care to develop a powerful character (male or female) and the Disney writers seem to love to take shortcuts by *telling* us how awesome character X is by having them dominate character Y in some weird situation.
Well thank you rational female human. From a certain point of view Disney are being sexist against women because they are assuming what women want, and how they should think, rather than actually recognizing what women watch and are entertained by.
I want to thank my parents for never pushing the 'this type of media isn't for you' bs on me. my dad never cared that he had two girls, he always shared his passions with us, and our mom, indiscriminately. it's why he still calls me to hang out and watch war movies together and takes my mom to the cinema for Dune, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. growing up I never perceived Star Wars as something meant for boys and was pretty baffled when I couldn't find many female friends to talk about it with. and the thing is, my female friends didn't dislike these things they just didn't give them a chance to begin with. until they become mainstream and suddenly everyone is into them it's the passion of male fans that elevates these franchises into the mainstream. and while that isn't always a good thing for the franchise itself (especially when going mainstream means that Disney gets its grimy hands on it), it naturally diversifies the audience of that thing. female fans don't need to be pandered to. they come around on their own once you remove the preconceived notions, very often their own preconceived notions, that dissuaded them from giving it a try
That's what I did with my girlfriend. Imagine my shock when she told me she had never watched Star Wars. Of course, we then watched all 6 films and she loved em. I honestly prefer Lord of the Rings (which I showed her as well, for the first time too) but she ended up liking SW more and that's a'0K with me. All I've shown her, be it videogames or movies or tv shows, is just me wanting to share stuff I love. Most of it she loved as well. We never ever thought about "this is for men/women", that's just the divide corporations try to push
Your experience mirrors what Nutsa described. I think it would have been the same for me if it were not for my father's sci-fi novels all over the living room before sci-fi was a popular genre on TV. I remember watching Star Trek on a black and white TV, because, in the 1960's, we all watched what Dad wanted to watch during the days of one-TV-in-the-house. I'm grateful that he liked science fiction, because the channels were chock full of westerns and police shows back then. Star Trek had no competition at all.
I had the same experience with my dad. He knew I loved movies, so he was always recommending the most obscure and weird movies that he knew of - I saw Eraserhead when I was like 17 because of him. He never thought, “oh well girls shouldn’t be watching this stuff.” The same went for books and music. I also never thought of Star Wars as being “for boys”. I didn’t see it until I was an adult, but that’s because it didn’t appeal to me personally. I always saw it as something that most people loved, I just never got around to watching it. I didn’t see Star Trek until I was an adult either. I’m not sure what point I’m actually trying to make… I just saw what you said about your dad and it warmed my heart because I relate so much to it lol.
BRILLIANT!!! Sidenote, My Mom, My Single Mother, was the one who introduced me to Star Wars when I was little. It was SHE who took me to each of the Prequels when they came out and who passed down HER Original copies of the Original Trilogy to me. We saw the first two Disney films and can still remember how we both walked out of the Theater and simultaneously said, "That's not Star Wars."
My friend used to work at a bar that had a movie theatre downstairs, and we had a private screening of 'the rise of skywalker' and we were screaming our hearts out to all the bullshit
@@Grubnar That… is our favorite Star Wars film and that is owed entirely to Gareth Edwards, those actors & actresses, and the whole team behind that movie. Star Wars would not be the story that it is without The Prequel and The Original Trilogies. However, based in that world, building upon what has been laid down before it, and just on a purely filmmaking basis, it remains both of our favorite.
Same, my lesbian mother was the one who showed me Star Wars and talked to me endlessly about how great the writing was, the mythic archetypes, etc. It was she who made me pay attention to the elements of storytelling that separate good films from bad, and the best from the rest. As a boy I happened to be a little more excited about lightsabers than she was, but about what your father's sword represents, what it means to strike an enemy down in anger or to protect, we were in unison admiring the story significance, what it illustrated about the character's choices. The first thing my mother said to me after I forced her to sit through The Force Awakens was that Rey wasn't faced with, and didn't make, a single moral choice throughout the film that altered the course of events; she took no action in the story. Because Rey makes no choices, she sees no consequences, and therefore does not change: she is not a character, my mother said. These missing moral choices are the kind that Luke and Anakin made constantly, actions on which their stories turned. One of which is the execution of Count Dooku that you use here, a pivotal moment with no analogue in the Disney trilogy. Rey was an empty protagonist, and so her story ultimately never moved, was never moving, went nowhere.
I’m a girl and a life long Star Wars fan. I don’t understand this narrative Kathleen is pushing that Star Wars wasn’t “inclusive” until Disney bought it? Are you serious? That is insulting to Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams. You have to put it in the context of its time. It came out in 1977. Modern standards are different. Also, George was a hippie college student who opposed the Vietnam War. The Empire being defeated by ragtag Rebels is an allegory for that. It’s also insulting to George because it insinuates that he is some kind of bigot or something.
The narrative has nothing to do with star wars. Its corporate virtue signaling. The fact its star wars that ends up being the vessel for it is just an unfortunate coincidence. I am by all means all for gender equality. And I even think that the original star wars trilogy was somewhat problematic in its treatment of women with it failing the bechdel test. But Lucas always had strong women in his films, and he also made a concious effort to be better about it with the prequels. Disney is never going to understand this though. For them its not about actual representation, for them its about marketing and being inclusive sells at the moment. They don't care that they actually damage the chances for actual fair and equal representation in media.
If Star Wars was “for women” then Disney wouldn’t hire Harvey Jr. This is a company whose executives had a “close working relationship” with Harvey and Leslye has the dirty laundry so she gets a show and hush money.
And she makes it about that very background. So, the High Republic Jedi are the corporations involved, Sol is apparently Harvey Weinstein, and Leslye Headland is, of course, the narcissistic split person vergence twins Osha/Mae?
If Disney cared about human dignity they would have spent 30 years bringing children from their parks to a private island 9 miles of the coast of the US Virgin islands for "Snorkeling lessons". They also wouldn't be funding "Reeducation work camps" in Xinjiang either, even if the autonomous region is surprisingly good at assisting people in need of lifesaving organ transplant surgeries.
Lesley Headland’s reaction when her show gets rightfully criticized and plummets into the garbage bend: 😰 *Us fans and people who protect all women unlike Disney:* “Oh. Look at little Weinstein Jr.🥹 You gonna cry?”
Nutsa, I appreciate this video. Because as an Author, I have this exact belief. The issue with the current movement in Mainstream fiction is that the writers give zero shits about telling a good story. They don't care about their characters. They don't care about their setting. They don't care about the plot. They are just moving puppets in a shoe box and then making them kiss.
I'd argue that it's more than moving puppets in a box with no underlying motivation. It's pushing an agenda while moving puppets in a box. And then yelling at the audience for not giving you a standing ovation.
The spirit behind this is cowardice, they won't make an original show because they know that no one will watch it so they choose to graft their stories onto an existing IP.
What my question is, is how come only when the social justice money runs out do women and black people now talk about the venom in their movements? They could have stopped it, but it seems like they were letting it happen as if they wanted to play both sides and one day betray the whole world for a piece of the pie, themselves.
Just because men are in spotlight, that doesn't mean women cannot enjoy watching it. Do you know why we hate Acolyte? No, not because there are barely any male protagonists. But because they are shown as incompatible goofballs, while female characters are just happen to be good at everything. And we know why they are lesbian.
I had an older brother, and he introduced me to all the typically male things, like video games, and stereotypically male fandoms. They're all very welcoming.
@@knopperdog6960 I love that the audience is rooting for Dedra Meero because she is actually competent, but once she is actually in a position of authority, she proves that she is in fact ruthless and evil. It's not really a twist because she's a high-ranking ISB official, so of course she's evil, but it's still a roller-coaster for the audience. Excellent writing and performance.
I am a youtube commentary addict. All subjects: science, politics, religion, history. Always searching, often I fall prey to clickbait, only to be disappointed by the lack of depth or intelligence of the content creator. You, madame, make this search worthwhile.
Skip it and you'll miss one of the funniest comedies of all time. Granted it may not bother me that much because I'm not a huge Star Wars fan and watched it because I _knew_ it was going to be a masterpiece of unintentional lols just from hearing Leslye Headland and others talk about it.
As an Star Wars fan for about 38 years out of my 42 years alive, I thank you for this video. It’s insulting what Disney did to Star Wars and it’s fans, treating us like misogynistic and ignorant, when we have always been for strong and smart female leaders.
Damn the Disney adults ain’t ready to have this adult conversation. Incredible essay. I just hope the haters don’t strawman your argument by calling you a “pick me” because god forbid a woman have a different opinion than other women.
But the thing is, if you’re a real fan or been seeing the coverage around SW, many male dudes are saying the exact same thing pretty much. Hell, media literally calls this out blatantly atp
Turns out Disney is funding a bunch of Pride parades and similar so they don't have money to pay employees more. :( Go woke go broke. They have no business participating directly in these things as a company. I'm disgusted. Until I learn different I'm done defending Disney. I held on as long as I could. My family still has passes and even were hopeful to renew and visit the on property hotels since we have a recent income increase...But now I'm so bummed out. I don't know if I should cancel or just consider it a last goodbye to a dying friend. I grew up going to Disney. Much of my family and friends had given up already, but we didn't even know about this BS and how deep the DEI is.....DEI is truly destroying Disney. It's not truly about diversity and equity but the opposite.
What’s wrong with Star Wars being primarily for men? Should we complain that Disney Princess movies are too much for women? Should we demand more action, fast cars and explosions in the next Cinderella?
I don't think it was society that made women skip on star wars. I just think it wasn't cool back then. People seems to have forgot that most girls used to ridicule dudes for being nerds. It's the same thing about anime. It was popular but it wasn't cool so only a certain type of people band together to buy merchandises and dress as the characters. Nerd culture became popular fairly recently. I remember a time where people were mocked for posting about lightsabers online. Most women didn't like Star wars because they thought it wasn't cool
Exactly. Women like going with what is popular and mainstream, you can even see that with how they launched into social media. That is why they wouldn't follow something seen as uncool.
@@SIPEROTHit’s less “women are only into popular things and would never like unpopular things” and more “you’ll never get a husband if you’re into that stupid nerd stuff” and the nerd men would get that same kind of ridicule with the whole guy living in his mom’s basement stereotype but single woman has been treated way worse by society than the single man, traditionally.
So... it was society that made women skip on Star Wars? What pushes "nerd" culture, and what made it a predominantly male, non-female group to be in before? I'd say people as a collective, aka society.
@christiancinnabars1402 I disagree. nobody who told some women to not like star wars. There are things that people just find not that interesting without anyone pressuring them to no like them. People align themselves with other people who have the same interest than them. And for most of the time girls weren't interested in nerdy stuff. Society as whole have nothing to do with that. For a brief moment society viewed D&D as something demonic but it didn't affect its popularity. Not to say that there weren't nerdy girls but there were not at well liked by their peers and were sometimes bullied by other girls for that reason.
Nutsa I've been a longtime viewer and I cannot express how refreshing is to finally hear a non-american voice speak out on this. All of these uber rich millionaire californian women are out there acting like victims from their beachfront mansions. Meanwhile I, an eastern european woman who makes pennies in comparison, and will never enjoy the same attention or wealth, AND a life-long Star Wars fan of old, can't help but feel mortifyingly embarrassed every time they open their mouths.
I was about to say I can't imagine what sharing a sex with these cows is like, but then I remember we've got clowns like Andrew Tate who can generate a powerful full body cringe in me much like I imagine a lot of women feel when some of these Hollywood types try to speak for all women.
Non-English speaking I think, she makes one or two pronunciation problems (motivation with a short 'o' instead of a long 'ō') and one malapropism (far 'fletched' I think it was?) in the video. But she is nice to listen to and has very good insight 👍🏼
I just found your channel. I'm a follower for life:) I gave up on Star Wars back when our buddy JJ shrank the universe into a realm where all relevant charters show up at a planet in the same 5 minutes around a ship has been lost for 20 years, complete with their own random protagonists in tow. Same 5 minutes. Or a universe so small that a base can destroy a dozen planets all at once, regardless of the vast distances of space. It's like he truly didn't understand the difference between a solar system and a galaxy. But non the less Star Wars related stuff still shows up in my feed since I'm a scifi fan in general. I appreciate your take as it's hard to put a finger on why I never looked back, but you nailed it. On a lighter, less sad note, good scifi still exists. The Expanse was tremendous. The new Dune also amazing! Anyway, I love your assessment and your perspective. I share it
Never met a male Star Wars fan that hated Padme or Leia in fact its always been the opposite. I hear people complain Rey was not like Padme not because she was sexy but because Padme was an actual leader.
I never saw Star Wars as belonging to anyone. My mom and I both loved the OT and PT and we're both disappointed by the Disney era of Star wars. It's not about ownership, it's about becoming something that my family can't love anymore.
the very question for whom this story is devastating. you understand? they artificially create a conflict in the basis of society between women and men! star wars was a fairy tale, now it is a tool for political appeals
Turns out Disney is funding a bunch of Pride parades and similar so they don't have money to pay employees more. :( Go woke go broke. They have no business participating directly in these things as a company. I'm disgusted. Until I learn different I'm done defending Disney. I held on as long as I could. My family still has passes and even were hopeful to renew and visit the on property hotels since we have a recent income increase...But now I'm so bummed out. I don't know if I should cancel or just consider it a last goodbye to a dying friend. I grew up going to Disney. Much of my family and friends had given up already, but we didn't even know about this BS and how deep the DEI is.....DEI is truly destroying Disney. It's not truly about diversity and equity but the opposite.
It's simply agenda over good storytelling. If Disney and Lucasfilm want to piss away a fortune and a massive fan base, let them do it. It will all come to a head when they bankrupt themselves and are forced to hand it over to another entity that actually likes to make billions and be revered by half of the world's population. Just sayin...
Great way to put it. When me and my cousin started hanging out more we watched the first mando season and he loved it, it’s what got him into Star Wars, now all this shit is coming out and we are definitely not watching acolyte i watched 5/8 episodes and stopped there couldn’t even get myself to watch it
My lesbian mother was the one who showed me Star Wars and talked to me endlessly about how great the writing was, the mythic archetypes, etc. It was she who made me pay attention to the elements of storytelling that separate good films from bad, and the best from the rest. As a boy I happened to be a little more excited about lightsabers than she was, but about what your father's sword represents, what it means to strike an enemy down in anger or to protect, we were in unison admiring the story significance, what it illustrated about the character's choices. The first thing my mother said to me after I forced her to sit through The Force Awakens was that Rey wasn't faced with, and didn't make, a single moral choice throughout the film that altered the course of events; she took no action in the story. Because Rey makes no choices, she sees no consequences, and therefore does not change: she is not a character, my mother said. These missing moral choices are the kind that Luke and Anakin made constantly, actions on which their stories turned. One of which is the execution of Count Dooku that you use here, a pivotal moment with no analogue in the Disney trilogy. Rey was an empty protagonist, and so her story ultimately never moved, was never moving, went nowhere.
My dad is a HUGE star wars fan, and honestly I don't remember the first time I watched the movies. They've been a huge part of my life ever since I was small, and as a woman, it makes me sad to see what Star Wars has turned into. I remember being enamored by the storytelling, the characters, the humor, and the world. Star Wars (and I mean eps 1-6) is one of the best things to come from the film industry. It's timeless, and awesome. New Star Wars will never be able to match the magic of the originals.
The thing that drives me crazy is that they constantly acknowledge that certain franchises are predominately male driven. Then they go all out to take that IP and drive males away. It makes no sense. What is their marketing department doing? We have a film that is full of sword fights and action sequences and aliens and spaceships, the boys love it. Cool, remove all the male characters and replace them with "man with boobs" characters that spend the whole movie lecturing boys about how horrible they are and women are all powerful. Good plan.
I think younger women who are fans of Star Wars are really unaware of how the "Star Wars is for guys" thing came about. I remember going on a few dates with this woman in the 90s and asking her if she had seen Star Wars. She rolled her eyes and said her ex-boyfriend had made her watch one of them (this was before the prequels, so I assume it was A New Hope) and then implied that was why she broke up with him. That was the _typical_ response. Women who liked Star Wars were few and far between, and if you were smart you never brought up nerd interests around women. The tech boom of the 90s made nerds cool, which affected a massive sea change in women. It really was the case that before the 90s, _anything_ nerd related was disparaged by the majority of women, and the only women who were willing to break with conformity were women who were already rejected by other women.
Quite right. I'm old enough that I still don't talk much about my lifelong nerdy hobbies to people who don't really know me. Anxiety ingrained during my youth when you didn't want to get ridiculed and rejected.
It was the same in the early 2000s too. Tomboys still had a hard time finding female friends with geeky interests, but it was getting better. By now, geek girls are the norm (and geek girl posers, unfortunately).
Right. Back then it was usually _the girls_ who bullied people for liking "nerdy" things. Now those same kinds of girls are in charge and want to change them. They're still basically bullies.
Star Wars was originally a story about fathers and sons. Lucas wanted to appeal to the minority male audience at the time because he felt females were over represented in media (see Disney princesses). Disney agreed with his assessment during the buyout and pledged to faithfully adhere to this tradition. Which is why it is so very egregious and insulting that Disney would then allow these idiots to insult the franchise by claiming it is “male dominated,” or even “toxic.” I’m not saying it SHOULD only be for males. I’m saying Disney is a backstabbing, gaslighting, manipulative conglomerate too big for morality. They don’t deserve Star Wars. They’ll say and do anything to win support for their cause. They should be feared.
Just keep in mind: Every single store I visit (I visit them for my job every day) is fully stocked with Star Wars merch. Literally the only thing selling is Lego products and of those it's entirely pre-Disney products. Oreo Star Wars is now on clearance in 2 stores. Acolyte products? I've not seen even one in stores, which just proves how little confidence Disney had in the show. Someone in marketing & merch knows they're making garbage & now they've stopped even trying to sell toys to consoomers (not fans, but the ones following Ryan's principle, "Consume next product").
Do you know any interviews or quotes from which that point about providing boys an alternative media arises? I haven't heard that before, but would be a huge contextual change to post war mass media
This woman (who grew up on the trilogy) stopped watching once Disney bought it. I knew they'd ruin it...and they did. Women and men don't want this trash.
As a female writer who would like to break into sci-fi, it's good to see I'm not the only one frustrated what these women are doing to cause problems for the rest of us.
None of the women in charge of Star Wars now are qualified to shine the shoes of the women writers who actually did great Star Wars work before Kennedy was given the keys to the kingdom. Oh how I wish we had gotten that Jaina Solo trilogy instead.
"DC Fontana" who wrote ten episodes of Star Trek: The Orignal Series and was a story editor on seasons one and two was actually _Dorothy_ C Fontana. She later wrote 5 episodes of The Next Generation (including co-writing the pilot) and an episode of Deep Space Nine. Her contributions to Star Trek are great and she managed to do that apparently in spite of being a woman. I think the difference is that she saw herself as a writer who happened to a woman instead of a _female_ writer so she (and others) weren't constantly trying to tell audiences "this was written by a woman ya know".
You opened my eyes. It was never Star Wars that was sexist. It was the marketing. Me and my sisters loved Star Wars as kids, and I always saw Leia and Padme as badass role models. Rewatching the movies today, it's apparent. Even Han Solo's misogyny is not meant to be taken seriously and is actually more than a little charming. It's easy to point at what he says and then forget the payoff that happens every time Leia puts him in his place.
I always thought that Han Solo was just supposed to be a very bitter and cynical character in general. Not that he dislikes women in particular. He's not very nice to Luke either.
The tragedy of modern Hollywood is that it seems to always prioritize women who want to be seen as female storytellers, as opposed to other women who want to tell good stories.
They were flawed and had their clear goals. Something you could get behind or understand. And they also off'ed the most annoying characters in the show, so you couldn't help but meta-cheer them on. May switched her intentions twice in every episode, but, even worse, Osha had no goals, no ambitions, no quirks/flaws that would make her journey interesting. She was the ultimate blank slate protagonist that serves as a self insert in almost every romance novel. She is "nice", "shy", "naive", featureless, but the male love interest falls for her anyway and follows her like a lost puppy (nevermind that he is a Sith Lord). Sol and Qimir are fan favorites despite all the writers' efforts to denigrate them (esp. Sol).
I would not discount the possibility that one of the major motivations for the change to Star Wars was to feed Kathleen's own ego. She wanted to be the new George Lucas, but to do so she had to erase what came before and remake it in her own image. I don't think its a stretch of the imagination that many Hollywood executives have more massive egos than they have creative talent or business sense.
from what I've heard she's been mad for ages that no one cared what she had to say when the old movies were being made and has carried that grudge into the modern day, ruining the whole thing to try and prove she was right all along
@@theblueengineer47792isn’t there a quote where someone said “she just to fetch drinks” or something like that for Lucas and the crew? Basically saying she wasn’t really needed
@@JC-zj2is Spielberg did. Then she married a big Hollywood producer, way back in the day, and began getting appointed to much higher (but still Assistant) positions on films done by Spielberg, Lucas, etc. When she started out, she was a secretary, "fetching drinks". She got the nepo-boost early on.
As someone who has been a fan of Star Wars since childhood in Nigeria, i agree with your points. Star Wars has always appealed to anyone, male or female and regardless of nationality because of those universal the es and good stories you mention. Now, with disney, only toxic identity politics and garbage writing is pushed. No wonder the franchise is failing. I'll stick with Lucas era shows and movies and EU novels and games like Fallen Order or KOTOR.
I just rewatched the Original Trilogy and was won over AGAIN by the casual and natural feeling banter between the characters. They were fleshed out and amazingly portrayed with so much skill by the actors and writers. You feel their warmth and engagement. Meeting Princess Leia, Han responding to Lando that they are having no problems with their blown up droid, Luke being annoyed with the as yet unkown goofball creature that is rummaging through his stuff, R2D2 zapping Ewoks in the butt after being set free... They were able to make wordless robots and little frog puppets have soul. The new characters talk talk talk and never feel like anyone is in there. It is already over I believe for Disney Star Wars because the content will always actually be the final say in the argument and people just won't like it. They like fighting more than consuming that dismal product. I'm willing to bet that no golden time will ever come in which people remember back to this time and suddenly embrace these hollow doodles.
I had this in my recommendation but skipped it due to clickbait sounding title. then someone shared this in a group chat so I watched it. I'm glad I did, you are right with your conclusion.
Very true. While Luke is the main character as the last living Jedi that we follow through the story, Leia is the decision maker and leader of the rebellion.
Which is ironic, because they brush over a lot of Leia's character development up until the middle of Empire SB. She seems to have disagreed with Alderaan's passive approach to the Emperial threat. She has the willpower to withstand tremendous amount of torture for the sake of the Rebellion's discretion. She witnesses her home planet being decimated, which would make anyone change as a person. She seems to have dealt with a lot of warfare before when firing back at troops and telling Luke, "there wasn't anything you could've done." She seems to have dealt with a lot of mercenaries before when dealing with Han Solo's payout. She seems to have experience in getting the Rebel commanders up to speed when times are too urgent. She seems to be the obvious centerpiece of the Rebellion when awarding the heroes at the ceremony. She seems to have been fighting for so much of her life that she couldn't even recognize when a person finally acknowledged her personal humanity like Han had. And all of this was brushed over from an interpersonal viewpoint !
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Not only that, star wars was for a "NERD male" audience, it used to be not cool or attractive... society made people believe "why would I get involved with that, if I could get bullied by the cheerleaders" kind of ideas, back in the day
The craziest thing is how Princess Leia is the original female badass character in the original films. She was a trailblazer on how to write a good female character but writers these days can’t figure it out.
I was 5 years old in 1977 when my mom (31) Dad (34) and my sister (12) went to see Star Wars on opening night at the Hills Theater downtown Rochester, MI. Went with our old neighbors, who had a son (8) and a daughter (5), my age. First off, My parents thought it was dumb, but they new it had effected me to the core, so they acted like they liked it. The neighbors parents were also similar in their response. The son and myself were utterly blown away and forever changed. The daughter, my age, though it was OK, but liked Princess Leia. My sister, who was a huge fan of Lord of the Rings and was reading the books at the time, thought it was alright. She liked Han Solo, but she even said on the way home. That movie is definitely for young boys like Tim (me!). Since then, after seeing the other 2 movies in the theater opening night, their opinions never really changed and watched as I avidly consumed anything Star Wars as any Gen X adolescent boy did. The action figures and toys, comic books, you name it. We would always joke, that Star Wars was my thing and my sisters thing was Lord of the Rings and Steven King Novels. My sister became an Attorney and has always been a strong female who's overly-competitive and has to much testosterone, with a lot of masculine tendencies. My point is, can't Star Wars just be a boy thing and let thing be for girls? What's wrong with that? I know Disney wants to make "all za monies!" But Star Wars always has even though as Lucas himself said, it was made for 12 year old boys. Star Wars is an American pop-culture Icon and juggernaut that influence most of modern entertainment. I don't think they are missing any demographic and it seems to make plenty of money on it's own. That's like saying KISS (another of my childhood influences) would have somehow been bigger than "THE HOTTEST BAND IN THE WORLD!!!" if they somehow catered to a more female audience. I can see taking something that has failed or had potential to be huge, and try to make it appeal to a more mainstream, and cross-gender demographic. That's what the MCU did initially. I think in the end Kathleen Kennedy is very jealous of George Lucas and clearly has a chip on her shoulder. She's made it her life's work to either out due him or destroy it her way down.
What a great video! Thanks for making it. I appreciate the clarity and the nuance in defining the real issue as you see it. I strongly dislike claims that a group of people “hate women” and that’s why they don’t like current Star Wars. I’ve been reading the Farseer Trilogy, which is authored by a woman, about a royal bastard who is trained to be an assassin for the crown. Nothing about the author being a woman is why I like the books. It’s all about her talent as an author. I like it because an event will happen in the story, and then I’m excited for every conversation between characters about the plot. Because they’re well written, believable, and have engaging dialogue. They’re also very distinctly characterized. My two favorite characters in the story are both women, not really for any reason other than I love their characters(Kettricken and Patience). It’s about telling a good STORY first and foremost. The level of work is very evident. In Star Wars, the LACK of work is evident.
Thank you for taking the time out of your studies to make this video essay. For once, I felt like I actually learnt a couple meaningful things on this topic. 1. I never *understood* why girls and women wouldn't watch Star Wars. It's the same reason I haven't sat down and binged Friends or MLP. It feels like a strong argument that they've attacked the wrong problem, especially since most of the constructive criticism is willing to compromise with the shows, indicating to me that the loud voices of the fandom are willing to explore less action-packed stories, if only they are competently made. 2. I didn't know about Marcia Lucas or how important she was for the OT. 3. I didn't know who K.K.'s boss was, and therefore ultimately to blame for all this.
the very question for whom this story is devastating. you understand? they artificially create a conflict in the basis of society between women and men! star wars was a fairy tale, now it is a tool for political appeals
I get it been saying it for a. While the spent like 12 million on like 1 episode of game of thrones and that shit was bad ass they spent like 100 million on each episode the acolyte and were did all the money go
If Marcia Lucas was half as good, as people like you pretend she was, she'd have far more great movies under her name than she does. The reality is, she is a golddigger, who cheated on Lucas, because she felt unhappy with him for working all the time, and then ripped him off for 50 million that he made with the work she was unhappy about him doing, leaving him alone to care for a baby girl they adopted together, not even a year earlier. As far as her supposed contributions to Star Wars go: there's a video titled "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (kinda but not really)", that debunks this unresearched propaganda garbage invented by the likes of Mike Stocklasa, using cited sources.
@@Verebazs. People keep saying that"the prequels had good ideas, but awful execution", and creators like George Lucas need shackles. They barely have examples, even reason!
@@erikbihari3625because its a quick and easy narrative to toss out. You’ll note that no other good directors who’ve made bad films ever have this tossed at them. No one has ever said “james cameron needs someone to rein him in” after the sludge that was avatar.
The “Marcia Lucas saved SW” narrative is bull shit. I’m tired of all the lies made just to discredit George who made so many sacrifices and nearly went bankrupt all because of”he made Jar Jar Binks LOLZ.” What else has Marcia done? Oh right, nothing.
From what I have read, Marcia Lucas is the person who cut together the rebel base tracking the death star moving to fire with the rebels and Luke attacking. She had to "sell" George on it as they were written as separate sequences
Nutsa is rapidly becoming my favourite commentator on cultural issues. Brilliant little essay as always. She touches on a few very interesting topics, not least why… why… some very powerful men are very happy with this situation? Kennedy has her influence and enormous budget for a reason (its certainly nothing to do with quality or box office receipts).
So if "Soomehoww, The Force Awakens Is Even Worse 9 Years Later" was breakfast in this epic meal course. Then this must be brunch and next up will be lunch with Nutsa serving up a take down dish of TLJ. Can't wait. Nutsa is cooking for sure.
TLJ is the only good film in that horrible trilogy, only Star Wars fans seem to hate it while the rest of us appreciate that it tried to be something original.
@@Mopark25 I always thought that to be the case, that the people who love TLJ are not Star Wars fans. That I can believe. And if it were not a Star Wars film, that would be fine.
It has been demonstrated by psychologists that little boys are more interested in gadgets and space ships and battles...and I don't see the problem with acknowledging the fact that a lot of what we consider 'adventure stories' are automatically, by their very nature, going to appeal more to a male audience. The difference between the sexes guarantee that there will be products that can't be made universally appealing. The thing about Star Wars is, I don't think it was intentionally made for boys. I don't think any science fiction is intentionally made for boys; it's just made by men who're indulging their own interests in gadgets and tales of derring-do, and the audience that has those interests is the one that responds.
My childhood experience was very different. A female friend of mine showed me the Stars Wars movies. She was a huge fan, and soon enough I became one too. I knew plenty of other girls who loved it. A few years later, in high school, a girl admitted that she has never seen Star Wars. And guess what, some boys laughed at her and mocked her, saying Star Wars is a classic and only uneducated people haven't seen it. Everyone else, boys and girls, encouraged her to watch Star Wars, because it's awesome. No one ever said it wasn't for girls.
Uhm… how to say this as delicately as possible… This. Is. Fucking. Amazing. *pause for effect* 😉 Okay, truly though, as one of those long time male fans of SW that apparently hate women in SW I cannot agree with you enough. The narrative modern Disney has been pushing that SW "isn't for girls or women" is complete BS. My sister, also GenX, has been a fan of SW for as long as I have. One of the main reasons is that our mother picked up scifi from her brother at a time when, yeah, it could be argued the genre was more male-focused. Nevertheless, she introduced my sister and I to SW in the late 70s and we haven't looked back. This takes me to your brilliant breakdown of the real problem starting at 9:20 which is the marketing. Your analysis needs to be heard, so I won't bother trying to summarize. Suffice it to say, I think you are spot-on. Lastly, your editing, inserts, and high-end graphics (putting on the square glasses is *chef's kiss*) make this such a great addition to the conversation. Anyway, subscribed. Cheers. I mean, the "girly" transition effects I could do without, but whatever… --> /s for any chuds that don't get that
People, mostly the weirdos in Hollywood and who think everything created must be for women and women alone, ignore the fact that men and women have different taste and interest and just because a franchise is mostly dominated by men, doesn't mean there is a problem or anything. Or that you need to "appeal" to everyone. After all, if we play that game, women dominated franchises like Twilight, 50 shades of grey, Barbie or other female dominated brands, why aren't they making and catering for the other 50% of the population? Are they discriminating against men??!!! It must be because from what these Hollywood people say, there is a problem for male dominated and only male dominated franchises to exist. Female dominated franchises? Lovely. Diverse. Male dominated? Evil. Discriminatory.
The main problem is their current marketing departments are captured by far-left ideologues. They probably got rid of a lot of experienced pros who would've told them that their current path is damaging to their brands. Now several years later with billions of dollars lost and the image of a female action star destroyed they are slowly starting to realized their mistake. Personally I feel bad for women who want to be action movie stars: they have a lot of work to do to correct the mess people like Kathleen Kennedy and Hollywood at large caused to their brand.
Also, by _only_ taking things they think are for white men all they're doing is reinforcing how important white men are to their world view. If we don't matter anymore why is it so important that you change "our" things? Why not create your own? Oh wait, I know: because you can't.
I agree with your conclusion, women didn't ruin Star Wars, men didn't ruin Star Wars. Disney ruined Star Wars. To the director saying she enjoys making men uncomfortable, I would ask why she doesn't enjoy making men feel entertained? Is she incapable of doing that?
Thank you for making this video. Lucasfilm and Disney will only hear this message if it continues to come from female creators. You’ve earned my sub and now I’m going back on your old videos too!
yo. this is probably the most accurate, nuanced and well articulated take on modern star wars that could also apply to nearly all modern forms of media. theres a massive difference when movies are written from passion - compared to when its bastardized by writers/corporations who dont give a fuck about it at all. 90% of other content creators that discuss similar subjects usually just go straight to 'woke broke hur dur' which is another issue in itself, so watching your take on this subject is appreciated. keep up the good work
"Let the past die. Kill it - if you have to..." "Yasss--YAAAASSSS!" RIP to the most iconic, successful IP in my lifetime. I will cherish the core childhood memories it provided.
It was my mother (b 1962) who planned for years how to show me and my brother A New Hope when we were kids, and it mattered to her so much that we loved it. My father wasn’t into it at all. And it was my mother who took me to see A Phantom Menace when I was a kid, and it was my mother who went with me to see Rogue One (on the day Carrie Fischer passed, coincidentally, which we found out leaving the theater). That was also the day we both gave up on star wars, even though we both thought rogue one was ‘ok’. Idk what the fuck Disney is talking about.
I saw Rogue One the day after Carrie Fisher passed away, me and my dad came home to find out her mother Debbie Reynolds had passed away, honestly I really liked it, even though it was an incredibly bittersweet day.
Thanks you so much for saying the things that I could never articulate properly ❤❤😂 loved ur essay and I am now happily subbed keep up the good work an good luck on finals🙌🏼
The underlying problem in Hollywood and society is that, while we recognize toxic masculinity, we are not allowed to recognize toxic femininity. Toxic masculinity is very real, and my dad was a perfect example of what I swear to never become. But women are just as human and can have their own flaws downfalls. We need to stop giving unchecked power to people, regardless of their gender. On the other hand, Star Wars was never about men. It had its appeal to a young male audience but was never exclusively for them. You might point to Han Solo, but he wasn't a hero until he started to let go of his excessive masculinity and began to help and care for others.
As a woman, i couldn't give a shit about star wars, i found it boring, slept through alot of the story, i dont think ive ever seen empire strikes back from beginning to end. My brother however is a super fan & absorbed the lore like he was being paid for it, but he wasnt alone, this was most men. He got me into playing KOTOR which i loved but thats as far as it went for me. Ultimately though you cant replicate/ engineer the level of devotion for stars wars that men have, put a vagina on it to make it to appeal women-- i find it deeply patronising and condescending for ppl like Kathleen Kennedy to do this. And its funny how they complain men are sexist for not watching it but the mythical female audience that their appealing too aint watching it either.
Star wars is for women to. It just wasnt patronising or giving itself back pats for it. Ive never felt excluded from star wars but it never appealed to me as deeply as my brother and his friends
This needs to go viral, what a great take that is not being talked about enough. Everyone is having fun shitting on the acolyte, which I’m cool with, and dissecting the shattering of the lore but this goes beyond that and really hits at the core of the issue. Bravo
This video was fantastic! Great content :)) but another important note to make is Disney itself being directly responsible for reinforcing misogynistic, sexist, and racist values throughout its history as a company and media producer. Walt Disney was a literal Nazi and opposed the integration of black people and other POC, but the company thinks they can wash their hands of that history and virtue signal and tell us compelling stories not created by them uphold the patriarchy and oppress women? The whole company is creatively and morally bankrupt and I wish more people understood that.
"What she did know how to do was interrupt somebody in midsentence. We’d be pitching ideas back and forth and Kathy, who's supposed to be writing these ideas down, suddenly put her pencil down and would say something like ‘'And what if he didn’t get the girl, and instead he got the dog?'"
Ironically by trying to attract women to the fanbase, Disney has only made the fanbase that much more outwardly hostile to women. Hoist by their own petard.
Wow Marcia Lucas is so right about almost everything. However, there is one thing she was missing here. Ok so probably killing Han Solo wasn't the best move, but it actually did have a purpose. It put over Kylo Ren as the new Darth Vader. If Kylo didn't kill his own father who we all love, he would never be accepted as the new Darth Vader. What they did to Luke though made no sense, they just destroyed Luke and made his death completely meaningless. The biggest mistake they made was never giving us the old crew all together reunited on screen. That's what people wanted. To see the old crew back together again, and then they could pass the torch to the new generation. But the torch never got passed. Kylo Ren got the torch passed to him, but Rey never did. And the second they tried to stick Finn with a frumpy Asian chick and put him in an irrelevant side story on a casino planet, it was guaranteed he would never be a top name or top hero. Then Kylo died and Rey lived. Like Jesus christ, twilight is not in the same league as star wars, it can never be star wars, and can never replace star wars. Twilight is just dumb vapid emotional nonsense, where star wars is based on the core essence of all the world's ancient mythology and the work of Joseph Cambell, to compare Twilight type nonsense to Star Wars is truly offensive to all people and all cultures.
Dude. That was awesome. If it helps, in a little over 18 minutes you convinced me that your opinion is to be valued. Oh you were wrong about one thing. My Grandma LOVES Star Wars. Cheers.
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ok, now imma go sleep for 5 days straight xx
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sleep well!
Cool idea for a video 😉 I really like this stop-motion like animation of baby yoda. Unique.
you should really do star trek tng...
because i said so
On that the secret how she keep her hair so fluffy - sloth mode baby
Nah. Its not masculine or feminine. Its product that is made with malice and spite to the original IP, and that which loved it and exists within it.
You can have your feminist icon in Mara Jade, Admiral Daala, Winter, Mon Mothma (from the novels) Jaina Solo, Ayla Secura, or any number of dozens and hundreds of awesome female characters from the EU.
But Disney dosnt want to pay royalties to the original writers, it dosnt want to share.
Theres a reason Disney refuses to use the EU, its because they have to negotiate with those writers and Disney cant be the absolute beast on the block if its negotiating with little nobody writers. Even if some of them are really really well known, and bankable talents.
This is Disney pride, greed and posture as a world power, holding it back. Not just the feminists behind the scenes. Theres a confluence of really big issues behind the scenes.
These days, Star Wars seems to be just for Kathleen Kennedy and her close friends, who live with her in the same ivory tower.
Which is hilarious and so messed up because they're all, "We're providing a place for young female filmmakers..." And just yapping on and on when... Are any of these projects making anybody recognized for their filmmaking abilities? Are these new talents anymore or have they resorted to using older actors for fan service and celebrity (and celebrity "activist") casting to try to help boost their profits?
Disney star wars is just a glorified circle jerk for the rich and powerful
TF you on about?
It's for the *hate watchers!*
Kennedy was the worst mistake ever made since Disney buying Lucasfilm.
They just admitted that they're not concerned with "filmmakers" who actually know their craft. W...T... actual....F!?!
"Strong leader":
Padme - elected ruler, fought corruption in the Senate and saved her people from an invasion by putting her life on the line ❌
Leia - rebel alliance leader, fought a tyrannical military dictatorship and freed the galaxy by putting her life on the line ❌
Shmi - a selfless mother prepared to put her son's future above her own needs, radiates love, vulnerability, openness, dignity and compassion without hesitation. ❌
Aniseya - witch that complained about "oppression" regarding her secret magic rituals involving children, manipulated the Jedi when her actions were at risk of scrutiny ✅
Summary: "Heroes bad, witches good!"
And aniseya played the victim to sol after she got stabbed for using the most evil looking force power and appeared to be killing mei.
Also Aniseya - Turned into a smokey demon-bat monster and started disintegrating a child right in front of the Jedi
Like come on
Ahsoka the best character
@@ackyfacky4332 and the shills call Sols reaction to that murder... The only thing that Sol is to blame for is failure to control his own feelings like a Jedi should.
I never saw star wars as anything other than an everyone brand. Disney trying to retroactively skew it one way or another is only dividing the series even more
Bingo.
Ventress was an odd addition during the clone wars animated series(before the CG) because it seemed weird that they were adding so many dark-side force users during that period of history where the rule of 2 was in effect as Dark Jedi wasn't really a common idea at the time. It was a lore confusion issue, but she proved to be an interesting addition.
Mara Jade made her obvious impact and we aren't going to touch that
Jaina is the main hero of one of the most beloved book series of the EU
Bastila Shan was only considered annoying because she was an arrogant know-it-all that basically instantly fell to the dark side when pressed on it. I still like her anyway
And my personal favorite Han Solo origin story is a book trilogy that clearly reads as a woman's fanfic full with self-insert, but it was so well written and worked so well that I actively dodged the bullet of the movie because I had my origin story.
@@blackchibisan8116 Which books would those be, with the Han origin?
@@knightofarnor2552
It was written by A.C. Crispin. It's first book is called The Paradise Snare. I love it so much. Again, warning, it does have all the earmarks of fanfiction, but if you aren't erked by those kinds of things, it is actually really well told. Even has the scene where he and Lando gamble... and explains why they are on such bad terms when they meet at cloud city... and even a few decent reasons why Han wants nothing to do with the rebellion.
You sexist! I mean, racist! Homophobe? Something…
Agreed. As a long time Star Wars fan that HAPPENS to be a woman, Star Wars was an everyone brand until Disney made it a “female brand”.
Now nobody likes this crap.
I had the exact opposite experience as you when I was a kid!
I remember running up to some boys outside durring recess and asking if I could play Star Wars with them, and they told me I had to be C-3PO because all the other roles were filled. I asked about being Princess Leia and they said “no Jack is already being her you have to be C-3PO.”
This was in 2009. For me it was NEVER a “boys thing”. Sure more boys liked it, but it wasn’t “for boys” specifically.
Well apparently according to the director c-3po and R2-D2 are gay lovers…so theres that kids can play as now smfh
Truly what a time in fandom, where for young boys being princess is more badass than playing as a robot.
@@Sarcastic_Sophist lmao I was so JEALOUS!!! I wanted to get away from the kid playing R2, his beeping noises were OBNOXIOUS.
@@sistersamich2075 I mostly got mocked for loving star wars as a kid. Though a buddy of mine and I had some great lightsaber duels. We had dismemberment rules, which at one point devolved to us putting the sabers between our legs and speed walking towards each other. Lest we have to admit defeat.
I think that was a joke though@@jasonnewbery
Leia Organa: Princess, fighter, General, main character
Padme Amidala: Queen, fighter, Senator, main love interest
pAtRiArChY!!
Star Wars is for everyone, not just for the men, but for the women and children too.
They're the audience, so George treated them like the audience. He loved them!
@@Rezzanine To be critical is to be a fan.
Disney put nudity scenes in Star Wars now. No it's not children friendly.
Nothing is for everyone. All franchises are for a niche audience. This rhetoric of being for everyone is what is wrong with the US today.
@@PrimalistOptimus Well said.
For weeks, the creators of this show attacked fans as "toxic".
In reality, the content of this show is pure toxic waste!
The show wasn't even that bad. Definitely an improvement over things like Andor or Rogue One.
What’s funny is that the franchise was aimed a boys. It’s a war story with a heroes journey, but it had something for everyone… Disney missed that point and wanted to make it for girls(or at least the writers room) and alienating it s primary demographic.
@@charlesman8722 Absolutely right. I think, they just wanted an empty shell, were they can just put in their own messaging. They need such a shell, because else NOBODY would watch their drivel.
They basically dont care what Star Wars is all about or what made it successful. People like KK just care about the message they want to spread.
@@fundhund62 did you hit your head?
@@fundhund62found the shill who only consumes.
I do hope the 2 women that watched the acolyte (compared to the 3 men) liked the portrayal of osha: a strong female protagonist, being turned to the dark side in about 2 days and already emotionally subdued after 1 day, because the psychopathic murderer villain was hot.
Dark side for men: cookies
Dark side for women: the D
Yeah... I mean...
I don't want to defend the Acolyte.
But Bastila kind of did the same thing in Kotor... Minus the "the guy was hot" angle. Unless you are a dark side Revan.
@@blackchibisan8116 Bastila got tortured into falling to the dark side, which is more than I can say for Osha.
@@TheSouloftheDragon For sure Osha had none of the same...
THAT SAID!!!
Malek did make it seem like he wasn't trying to torture her as much as he was trying to get her to get a taste of how powerful she could be with the dark side... but by that same metric... it could just be the torture breaking her enough for her to buy in just to make it stop. It does explain why she flips back so easily when I show up to the star forge.
@@blackchibisan8116 I always thought Bastila's fall was temporary unless you play a dark side Revan that pushes her further along that path.
This video makes some very good points. It's not that The Acolyte is a female focused romance (based on creators comments) show but that it's so poorly written it makes Twilight look like high art. Then on top of that they have the gall to make it majorly affect the mainline story, while also messing up in-universe mechanics.
Star Wars is absolutely a setting that could play host to stories across all sorts of genres and attracting all sorts of demographics. The issue is the absolutely terrible quality of writing and how much it's negatively impacting the universe and mainline.
Romance so bad I didn’t even realize I was watching a romance
That girl talking about giving advice to aspiring filmmakers is toxic. The advice she's giving is literally not helpful. At all.
I watched this youtube short with some of the greatest movie makers of our time, and they all had one message: just go out there and make a movie. Shoot whatever you want.
None of that male vs female bs.
Getting experience and learning from mistakes tops "fake it til you make it" and false confidence any day.
As she was saying that I could only think about what that says about her, does she know how to make movies?
@@Expressmusic457 no. Only to be a strong independent wah-men
Well, that's Leslye Hedlund, who made the Acolyte. So we know what kind of drek she can produce.
@@vaeringjar1387 oh the formal personal assistant to Harvey Weinstein? Now I remember the name lol 🤣
I’m a female Star Wars fan. Since I was a child I have been watching, and rewatching the saga. (With the exception of Disney’s trilogy)
It’s so disappointing and frustrating that executives think that women want to see women be “girlbosses” and nothing else so they continue to screw up the whole SW universe.
We just want a good storyline!! (To be honest at this point I want them to stop making new additions to the franchise. )
I don’t care about the protagonist gender, I want a good story😭
"I don’t care about the protagonist gender, I want a good story"
100% this. It's utterly maddening to see Disney's handling of the SW universe. They continually show that they have little to no understanding or care for the characters and I suspect they don't understand what drives men or women to watch one show over another - they've just distilled things down to virtue signaling.
My girlfriend has no interest in mainline Star Wars but she liked Mando because it brought a storyline and character development that were interesting to her. I suspect if they somehow combined Law and Order and Star Wars she'd become an overnight addict -- it even sounds like something I might watch with her (I know this is probably a terrible idea and there is a reason I am not a writer :D). It wouldn't be important, but they could even have a girl boss like an Olivia, but they need to take time and care to develop a powerful character (male or female) and the Disney writers seem to love to take shortcuts by *telling* us how awesome character X is by having them dominate character Y in some weird situation.
And they’re acting like star wars wasnt already girlbossing when we had political and militia leaders like Leia, Padme, and Mon Mothma right there
@@Shoulderpads-mcgee exactly!! Star wars has been girlbossing since the beginning.
They don’t care about women..they just Hate Men..
Well thank you rational female human. From a certain point of view Disney are being sexist against women because they are assuming what women want, and how they should think, rather than actually recognizing what women watch and are entertained by.
I want to thank my parents for never pushing the 'this type of media isn't for you' bs on me. my dad never cared that he had two girls, he always shared his passions with us, and our mom, indiscriminately. it's why he still calls me to hang out and watch war movies together and takes my mom to the cinema for Dune, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. growing up I never perceived Star Wars as something meant for boys and was pretty baffled when I couldn't find many female friends to talk about it with. and the thing is, my female friends didn't dislike these things they just didn't give them a chance to begin with. until they become mainstream and suddenly everyone is into them
it's the passion of male fans that elevates these franchises into the mainstream. and while that isn't always a good thing for the franchise itself (especially when going mainstream means that Disney gets its grimy hands on it), it naturally diversifies the audience of that thing. female fans don't need to be pandered to. they come around on their own once you remove the preconceived notions, very often their own preconceived notions, that dissuaded them from giving it a try
That's what I did with my girlfriend. Imagine my shock when she told me she had never watched Star Wars. Of course, we then watched all 6 films and she loved em. I honestly prefer Lord of the Rings (which I showed her as well, for the first time too) but she ended up liking SW more and that's a'0K with me. All I've shown her, be it videogames or movies or tv shows, is just me wanting to share stuff I love. Most of it she loved as well. We never ever thought about "this is for men/women", that's just the divide corporations try to push
Your experience mirrors what Nutsa described. I think it would have been the same for me if it were not for my father's sci-fi novels all over the living room before sci-fi was a popular genre on TV. I remember watching Star Trek on a black and white TV, because, in the 1960's, we all watched what Dad wanted to watch during the days of one-TV-in-the-house. I'm grateful that he liked science fiction, because the channels were chock full of westerns and police shows back then. Star Trek had no competition at all.
I had the same experience with my dad. He knew I loved movies, so he was always recommending the most obscure and weird movies that he knew of - I saw Eraserhead when I was like 17 because of him. He never thought, “oh well girls shouldn’t be watching this stuff.” The same went for books and music. I also never thought of Star Wars as being “for boys”. I didn’t see it until I was an adult, but that’s because it didn’t appeal to me personally. I always saw it as something that most people loved, I just never got around to watching it. I didn’t see Star Trek until I was an adult either.
I’m not sure what point I’m actually trying to make… I just saw what you said about your dad and it warmed my heart because I relate so much to it lol.
BRILLIANT!!!
Sidenote, My Mom, My Single Mother, was the one who introduced me to Star Wars when I was little. It was SHE who took me to each of the Prequels when they came out and who passed down HER Original copies of the Original Trilogy to me. We saw the first two Disney films and can still remember how we both walked out of the Theater and simultaneously said, "That's not Star Wars."
My friend used to work at a bar that had a movie theatre downstairs, and we had a private screening of 'the rise of skywalker' and we were screaming our hearts out to all the bullshit
Funny, because I remember walking out of the prequels and people saying "That's not Star Wars".
I am curious, how do you and your mother feel about Rogue One?
That seems to be the only Star Wars film that, at lest some fans actually like.
@@Grubnar That… is our favorite Star Wars film and that is owed entirely to Gareth Edwards, those actors & actresses, and the whole team behind that movie. Star Wars would not be the story that it is without The Prequel and The Original Trilogies. However, based in that world, building upon what has been laid down before it, and just on a purely filmmaking basis, it remains both of our favorite.
Same, my lesbian mother was the one who showed me Star Wars and talked to me endlessly about how great the writing was, the mythic archetypes, etc. It was she who made me pay attention to the elements of storytelling that separate good films from bad, and the best from the rest. As a boy I happened to be a little more excited about lightsabers than she was, but about what your father's sword represents, what it means to strike an enemy down in anger or to protect, we were in unison admiring the story significance, what it illustrated about the character's choices.
The first thing my mother said to me after I forced her to sit through The Force Awakens was that Rey wasn't faced with, and didn't make, a single moral choice throughout the film that altered the course of events; she took no action in the story. Because Rey makes no choices, she sees no consequences, and therefore does not change: she is not a character, my mother said. These missing moral choices are the kind that Luke and Anakin made constantly, actions on which their stories turned. One of which is the execution of Count Dooku that you use here, a pivotal moment with no analogue in the Disney trilogy. Rey was an empty protagonist, and so her story ultimately never moved, was never moving, went nowhere.
“The Acolyte is the female equivalent of The Room”
lol 😂 that is savage. I’m giving you a sub just for that.
It really isn't.
The Room is actually entertaining in its poor presentation and writing.
I’m a girl and a life long Star Wars fan. I don’t understand this narrative Kathleen is pushing that Star Wars wasn’t “inclusive” until Disney bought it? Are you serious? That is insulting to Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams. You have to put it in the context of its time. It came out in 1977. Modern standards are different. Also, George was a hippie college student who opposed the Vietnam War. The Empire being defeated by ragtag Rebels is an allegory for that. It’s also insulting to George because it insinuates that he is some kind of bigot or something.
The narrative has nothing to do with star wars. Its corporate virtue signaling. The fact its star wars that ends up being the vessel for it is just an unfortunate coincidence.
I am by all means all for gender equality. And I even think that the original star wars trilogy was somewhat problematic in its treatment of women with it failing the bechdel test. But Lucas always had strong women in his films, and he also made a concious effort to be better about it with the prequels.
Disney is never going to understand this though. For them its not about actual representation, for them its about marketing and being inclusive sells at the moment. They don't care that they actually damage the chances for actual fair and equal representation in media.
@@SpielkindFR 💯
If Star Wars was “for women” then Disney wouldn’t hire Harvey Jr. This is a company whose executives had a “close working relationship” with Harvey and Leslye has the dirty laundry so she gets a show and hush money.
And she makes it about that very background. So, the High Republic Jedi are the corporations involved, Sol is apparently Harvey Weinstein, and Leslye Headland is, of course, the narcissistic split person vergence twins Osha/Mae?
@@smccarthymi maybe she views herself that way but she's more like the green lady that's played by her wife
If Disney cared about human dignity they would have spent 30 years bringing children from their parks to a private island 9 miles of the coast of the US Virgin islands for "Snorkeling lessons".
They also wouldn't be funding "Reeducation work camps" in Xinjiang either, even if the autonomous region is surprisingly good at assisting people in need of lifesaving organ transplant surgeries.
Lesley Headland’s reaction when her show gets rightfully criticized and plummets into the garbage bend: 😰
*Us fans and people who protect all women unlike Disney:* “Oh. Look at little Weinstein Jr.🥹 You gonna cry?”
Weinstein's acolyte
Nutsa, I appreciate this video. Because as an Author, I have this exact belief. The issue with the current movement in Mainstream fiction is that the writers give zero shits about telling a good story. They don't care about their characters. They don't care about their setting. They don't care about the plot. They are just moving puppets in a shoe box and then making them kiss.
Then they lash out at the audience for daring to dislike it.
Word.
I'd argue that it's more than moving puppets in a box with no underlying motivation. It's pushing an agenda while moving puppets in a box. And then yelling at the audience for not giving you a standing ovation.
As a writer, I completely disagree with you.
The spirit behind this is cowardice, they won't make an original show because they know that no one will watch it so they choose to graft their stories onto an existing IP.
Its not for women. Its for everyone. Yet they say "men have had their time in the spotlight" which is a sexist statement by their logic.
What my question is, is how come only when the social justice money runs out do women and black people now talk about the venom in their movements?
They could have stopped it, but it seems like they were letting it happen as if they wanted to play both sides and one day betray the whole world for a piece of the pie, themselves.
Just because men are in spotlight, that doesn't mean women cannot enjoy watching it. Do you know why we hate Acolyte? No, not because there are barely any male protagonists. But because they are shown as incompatible goofballs, while female characters are just happen to be good at everything. And we know why they are lesbian.
You're single I take it?
@@BlueHooloovoo Married.
@@blubmuz Too your right hand?
I had an older brother, and he introduced me to all the typically male things, like video games, and stereotypically male fandoms.
They're all very welcoming.
You worded your point very fairly. The script and editing for this video was well done!
Didn’t expect to see you here
Andor really is a miracle. It gets Star Wars, and it's written by someone with no attachment to it at all.
And they checked Wookiepedia to make sure their stuff made sense in-universe.
Probably helped being unbiased.
If you're a good writer and understand what Star Wars is (a space opera), you can create a compelling series.
Also created a strong female character that I loved. Couldn't help but to root for Dedra Meero. Also love Mon Mothma!
@@knopperdog6960 I love that the audience is rooting for Dedra Meero because she is actually competent, but once she is actually in a position of authority, she proves that she is in fact ruthless and evil. It's not really a twist because she's a high-ranking ISB official, so of course she's evil, but it's still a roller-coaster for the audience. Excellent writing and performance.
I am a youtube commentary addict. All subjects: science, politics, religion, history. Always searching, often I fall prey to clickbait, only to be disappointed by the lack of depth or intelligence of the content creator.
You, madame, make this search worthwhile.
100%
Skip Acolyte?!!! YASSSSS YASSSSSS!!!
I'm on board with that *runs to the 6 movies*
I already did, in fact I'm moving on to Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop!
Skip it and you'll miss one of the funniest comedies of all time. Granted it may not bother me that much because I'm not a huge Star Wars fan and watched it because I _knew_ it was going to be a masterpiece of unintentional lols just from hearing Leslye Headland and others talk about it.
Yowza, yowza, yowza!
Hedland full on advising women wanting to get into filmmaking to "Fake it 'til you make it" pretty much sums it up . Excellent Vid . +1 sub .
As an Star Wars fan for about 38 years out of my 42 years alive, I thank you for this video. It’s insulting what Disney did to Star Wars and it’s fans, treating us like misogynistic and ignorant, when we have always been for strong and smart female leaders.
Damn the Disney adults ain’t ready to have this adult conversation. Incredible essay. I just hope the haters don’t strawman your argument by calling you a “pick me” because god forbid a woman have a different opinion than other women.
But the thing is, if you’re a real fan or been seeing the coverage around SW, many male dudes are saying the exact same thing pretty much. Hell, media literally calls this out blatantly atp
Turns out Disney is funding a bunch of Pride parades and similar so they don't have money to pay employees more. :( Go woke go broke. They have no business participating directly in these things as a company. I'm disgusted. Until I learn different I'm done defending Disney. I held on as long as I could. My family still has passes and even were hopeful to renew and visit the on property hotels since we have a recent income increase...But now I'm so bummed out. I don't know if I should cancel or just consider it a last goodbye to a dying friend. I grew up going to Disney. Much of my family and friends had given up already, but we didn't even know about this BS and how deep the DEI is.....DEI is truly destroying Disney. It's not truly about diversity and equity but the opposite.
“One of us…one of us…one of us…”
What’s wrong with Star Wars being primarily for men?
Should we complain that Disney Princess movies are too much for women? Should we demand more action, fast cars and explosions in the next Cinderella?
Well for one it’d imply that women are not intelligent enough to appreciate good art, which is something that I think is not the case.
I don't think it was society that made women skip on star wars. I just think it wasn't cool back then. People seems to have forgot that most girls used to ridicule dudes for being nerds. It's the same thing about anime. It was popular but it wasn't cool so only a certain type of people band together to buy merchandises and dress as the characters. Nerd culture became popular fairly recently. I remember a time where people were mocked for posting about lightsabers online. Most women didn't like Star wars because they thought it wasn't cool
Exactly.
Women like going with what is popular and mainstream, you can even see that with how they launched into social media.
That is why they wouldn't follow something seen as uncool.
@@SIPEROTHit’s less “women are only into popular things and would never like unpopular things” and more “you’ll never get a husband if you’re into that stupid nerd stuff” and the nerd men would get that same kind of ridicule with the whole guy living in his mom’s basement stereotype but single woman has been treated way worse by society than the single man, traditionally.
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So... it was society that made women skip on Star Wars? What pushes "nerd" culture, and what made it a predominantly male, non-female group to be in before? I'd say people as a collective, aka society.
@christiancinnabars1402 I disagree. nobody who told some women to not like star wars. There are things that people just find not that interesting without anyone pressuring them to no like them. People align themselves with other people who have the same interest than them. And for most of the time girls weren't interested in nerdy stuff. Society as whole have nothing to do with that. For a brief moment society viewed D&D as something demonic but it didn't affect its popularity. Not to say that there weren't nerdy girls but there were not at well liked by their peers and were sometimes bullied by other girls for that reason.
Nutsa I've been a longtime viewer and I cannot express how refreshing is to finally hear a non-american voice speak out on this. All of these uber rich millionaire californian women are out there acting like victims from their beachfront mansions. Meanwhile I, an eastern european woman who makes pennies in comparison, and will never enjoy the same attention or wealth, AND a life-long Star Wars fan of old, can't help but feel mortifyingly embarrassed every time they open their mouths.
I was about to say I can't imagine what sharing a sex with these cows is like, but then I remember we've got clowns like Andrew Tate who can generate a powerful full body cringe in me much like I imagine a lot of women feel when some of these Hollywood types try to speak for all women.
Where is Nutsa from?
@@SangheiliSpecOp The country of Georgia ua-cam.com/video/x0JH1eUxfug/v-deo.html
Non-English speaking I think, she makes one or two pronunciation problems (motivation with a short 'o' instead of a long 'ō') and one malapropism (far 'fletched' I think it was?) in the video. But she is nice to listen to and has very good insight 👍🏼
@@SangheiliSpecOp Country f Georgia
I just found your channel. I'm a follower for life:) I gave up on Star Wars back when our buddy JJ shrank the universe into a realm where all relevant charters show up at a planet in the same 5 minutes around a ship has been lost for 20 years, complete with their own random protagonists in tow. Same 5 minutes. Or a universe so small that a base can destroy a dozen planets all at once, regardless of the vast distances of space. It's like he truly didn't understand the difference between a solar system and a galaxy. But non the less Star Wars related stuff still shows up in my feed since I'm a scifi fan in general. I appreciate your take as it's hard to put a finger on why I never looked back, but you nailed it. On a lighter, less sad note, good scifi still exists. The Expanse was tremendous. The new Dune also amazing! Anyway, I love your assessment and your perspective. I share it
Never met a male Star Wars fan that hated Padme or Leia in fact its always been the opposite. I hear people complain Rey was not like Padme not because she was sexy but because Padme was an actual leader.
I never saw Star Wars as belonging to anyone. My mom and I both loved the OT and PT and we're both disappointed by the Disney era of Star wars. It's not about ownership, it's about becoming something that my family can't love anymore.
the very question for whom this story is devastating. you understand? they artificially create a conflict in the basis of society between women and men! star wars was a fairy tale, now it is a tool for political appeals
I will buy that.
Turns out Disney is funding a bunch of Pride parades and similar so they don't have money to pay employees more. :( Go woke go broke. They have no business participating directly in these things as a company. I'm disgusted. Until I learn different I'm done defending Disney. I held on as long as I could. My family still has passes and even were hopeful to renew and visit the on property hotels since we have a recent income increase...But now I'm so bummed out. I don't know if I should cancel or just consider it a last goodbye to a dying friend. I grew up going to Disney. Much of my family and friends had given up already, but we didn't even know about this BS and how deep the DEI is.....DEI is truly destroying Disney. It's not truly about diversity and equity but the opposite.
It's simply agenda over good storytelling. If Disney and Lucasfilm want to piss away a fortune and a massive fan base, let them do it. It will all come to a head when they bankrupt themselves and are forced to hand it over to another entity that actually likes to make billions and be revered by half of the world's population. Just sayin...
Great way to put it. When me and my cousin started hanging out more we watched the first mando season and he loved it, it’s what got him into Star Wars, now all this shit is coming out and we are definitely not watching acolyte i watched 5/8 episodes and stopped there couldn’t even get myself to watch it
My lesbian mother was the one who showed me Star Wars and talked to me endlessly about how great the writing was, the mythic archetypes, etc. It was she who made me pay attention to the elements of storytelling that separate good films from bad, and the best from the rest. As a boy I happened to be a little more excited about lightsabers than she was, but about what your father's sword represents, what it means to strike an enemy down in anger or to protect, we were in unison admiring the story significance, what it illustrated about the character's choices.
The first thing my mother said to me after I forced her to sit through The Force Awakens was that Rey wasn't faced with, and didn't make, a single moral choice throughout the film that altered the course of events; she took no action in the story. Because Rey makes no choices, she sees no consequences, and therefore does not change: she is not a character, my mother said. These missing moral choices are the kind that Luke and Anakin made constantly, actions on which their stories turned. One of which is the execution of Count Dooku that you use here, a pivotal moment with no analogue in the Disney trilogy. Rey was an empty protagonist, and so her story ultimately never moved, was never moving, went nowhere.
My dad is a HUGE star wars fan, and honestly I don't remember the first time I watched the movies. They've been a huge part of my life ever since I was small, and as a woman, it makes me sad to see what Star Wars has turned into. I remember being enamored by the storytelling, the characters, the humor, and the world. Star Wars (and I mean eps 1-6) is one of the best things to come from the film industry. It's timeless, and awesome. New Star Wars will never be able to match the magic of the originals.
That's amazing. Marcia Lucas was saying exactly what every fan was saying!
The thing that drives me crazy is that they constantly acknowledge that certain franchises are predominately male driven. Then they go all out to take that IP and drive males away. It makes no sense. What is their marketing department doing? We have a film that is full of sword fights and action sequences and aliens and spaceships, the boys love it. Cool, remove all the male characters and replace them with "man with boobs" characters that spend the whole movie lecturing boys about how horrible they are and women are all powerful. Good plan.
I think younger women who are fans of Star Wars are really unaware of how the "Star Wars is for guys" thing came about. I remember going on a few dates with this woman in the 90s and asking her if she had seen Star Wars. She rolled her eyes and said her ex-boyfriend had made her watch one of them (this was before the prequels, so I assume it was A New Hope) and then implied that was why she broke up with him. That was the _typical_ response. Women who liked Star Wars were few and far between, and if you were smart you never brought up nerd interests around women.
The tech boom of the 90s made nerds cool, which affected a massive sea change in women. It really was the case that before the 90s, _anything_ nerd related was disparaged by the majority of women, and the only women who were willing to break with conformity were women who were already rejected by other women.
female psychology isn't very pretty. Evolutionary psychology and mating strategies make that very clear.
Quite right. I'm old enough that I still don't talk much about my lifelong nerdy hobbies to people who don't really know me. Anxiety ingrained during my youth when you didn't want to get ridiculed and rejected.
infiltrate what is popular and destroy.
It was the same in the early 2000s too. Tomboys still had a hard time finding female friends with geeky interests, but it was getting better. By now, geek girls are the norm (and geek girl posers, unfortunately).
Right. Back then it was usually _the girls_ who bullied people for liking "nerdy" things. Now those same kinds of girls are in charge and want to change them. They're still basically bullies.
Star Wars was originally a story about fathers and sons. Lucas wanted to appeal to the minority male audience at the time because he felt females were over represented in media (see Disney princesses). Disney agreed with his assessment during the buyout and pledged to faithfully adhere to this tradition.
Which is why it is so very egregious and insulting that Disney would then allow these idiots to insult the franchise by claiming it is “male dominated,” or even “toxic.”
I’m not saying it SHOULD only be for males. I’m saying Disney is a backstabbing, gaslighting, manipulative conglomerate too big for morality. They don’t deserve Star Wars. They’ll say and do anything to win support for their cause. They should be feared.
Just keep in mind:
Every single store I visit (I visit them for my job every day) is fully stocked with Star Wars merch. Literally the only thing selling is Lego products and of those it's entirely pre-Disney products.
Oreo Star Wars is now on clearance in 2 stores. Acolyte products? I've not seen even one in stores, which just proves how little confidence Disney had in the show. Someone in marketing & merch knows they're making garbage & now they've stopped even trying to sell toys to consoomers (not fans, but the ones following Ryan's principle, "Consume next product").
Do you know any interviews or quotes from which that point about providing boys an alternative media arises? I haven't heard that before, but would be a huge contextual change to post war mass media
If Star Wars is now for women, why aren’t women watching it in large numbers?
That is a question. Coz it’s not.
This woman (who grew up on the trilogy) stopped watching once Disney bought it. I knew they'd ruin it...and they did. Women and men don't want this trash.
As a female writer who would like to break into sci-fi, it's good to see I'm not the only one frustrated what these women are doing to cause problems for the rest of us.
Have any short stories one can read?
None of the women in charge of Star Wars now are qualified to shine the shoes of the women writers who actually did great Star Wars work before Kennedy was given the keys to the kingdom. Oh how I wish we had gotten that Jaina Solo trilogy instead.
Completely agree
"DC Fontana" who wrote ten episodes of Star Trek: The Orignal Series and was a story editor on seasons one and two was actually _Dorothy_ C Fontana. She later wrote 5 episodes of The Next Generation (including co-writing the pilot) and an episode of Deep Space Nine. Her contributions to Star Trek are great and she managed to do that apparently in spite of being a woman. I think the difference is that she saw herself as a writer who happened to a woman instead of a _female_ writer so she (and others) weren't constantly trying to tell audiences "this was written by a woman ya know".
You opened my eyes. It was never Star Wars that was sexist. It was the marketing. Me and my sisters loved Star Wars as kids, and I always saw Leia and Padme as badass role models. Rewatching the movies today, it's apparent. Even Han Solo's misogyny is not meant to be taken seriously and is actually more than a little charming. It's easy to point at what he says and then forget the payoff that happens every time Leia puts him in his place.
I always thought that Han Solo was just supposed to be a very bitter and cynical character in general. Not that he dislikes women in particular. He's not very nice to Luke either.
@@noless Exactly, he's just kind of an asshole, but an equal opportunity asshole.
I felt that a lot of it was like flirting, for him. Trying to push her buttons, in hope she would take the bait.
The tragedy of modern Hollywood is that it seems to always prioritize women who want to be seen as female storytellers, as opposed to other women who want to tell good stories.
The irony that the two characters everyone actually cared about in the Acolyte were two men.
which kinda shows the complaints about "man-hating" are bs but we wouldn't want to bring logic into this
@@nocturnal03 If the comment is referring to Sol and Yord, they were both emasculated and denigrated to different extents.
@@taffysaur I think it's sol and quimr or whatever the sith guys name was. At least those were the two I cared about
@@taffysaur were Jecki and Indara effeminated and denigrated?
They were flawed and had their clear goals. Something you could get behind or understand.
And they also off'ed the most annoying characters in the show, so you couldn't help but meta-cheer them on.
May switched her intentions twice in every episode, but, even worse, Osha had no goals, no ambitions, no quirks/flaws that would make her journey interesting. She was the ultimate blank slate protagonist that serves as a self insert in almost every romance novel. She is "nice", "shy", "naive", featureless, but the male love interest falls for her anyway and follows her like a lost puppy (nevermind that he is a Sith Lord).
Sol and Qimir are fan favorites despite all the writers' efforts to denigrate them (esp. Sol).
I would not discount the possibility that one of the major motivations for the change to Star Wars was to feed Kathleen's own ego. She wanted to be the new George Lucas, but to do so she had to erase what came before and remake it in her own image. I don't think its a stretch of the imagination that many Hollywood executives have more massive egos than they have creative talent or business sense.
Oh yeah, would not be surprised.
from what I've heard she's been mad for ages that no one cared what she had to say when the old movies were being made and has carried that grudge into the modern day, ruining the whole thing to try and prove she was right all along
@@theblueengineer47792isn’t there a quote where someone said “she just to fetch drinks” or something like that for Lucas and the crew? Basically saying she wasn’t really needed
@@JC-zj2is Spielberg did. Then she married a big Hollywood producer, way back in the day, and began getting appointed to much higher (but still Assistant) positions on films done by Spielberg, Lucas, etc. When she started out, she was a secretary, "fetching drinks". She got the nepo-boost early on.
As someone who has been a fan of Star Wars since childhood in Nigeria, i agree with your points. Star Wars has always appealed to anyone, male or female and regardless of nationality because of those universal the es and good stories you mention. Now, with disney, only toxic identity politics and garbage writing is pushed. No wonder the franchise is failing. I'll stick with Lucas era shows and movies and EU novels and games like Fallen Order or KOTOR.
As a red-headed, left-handed, anorexic, albino, quadruplet, quadriplegic, I just have to say I feel so underrepresented and oppressed right now.
Are all the quadruplets quadrapalegic, red headed, left handed, anorexic, and albino? Or just you?
I just rewatched the Original Trilogy and was won over AGAIN by the casual and natural feeling banter between the characters. They were fleshed out and amazingly portrayed with so much skill by the actors and writers. You feel their warmth and engagement. Meeting Princess Leia, Han responding to Lando that they are having no problems with their blown up droid, Luke being annoyed with the as yet unkown goofball creature that is rummaging through his stuff, R2D2 zapping Ewoks in the butt after being set free...
They were able to make wordless robots and little frog puppets have soul.
The new characters talk talk talk and never feel like anyone is in there.
It is already over I believe for Disney Star Wars because the content will always actually be the final say in the argument and people just won't like it. They like fighting more than consuming that dismal product. I'm willing to bet that no golden time will ever come in which people remember back to this time and suddenly embrace these hollow doodles.
I'm grateful for all the thoughtful and intelligent women speaking up about something we all love.
I had this in my recommendation but skipped it due to clickbait sounding title. then someone shared this in a group chat so I watched it. I'm glad I did, you are right with your conclusion.
George Lucas himself said Leia is the star of the original trilogy. The star. Leader. The one who's calling the shots
Very true. While Luke is the main character as the last living Jedi that we follow through the story, Leia is the decision maker and leader of the rebellion.
Which is ironic, because they brush over a lot of Leia's character development up until the middle of Empire SB.
She seems to have disagreed with Alderaan's passive approach to the Emperial threat.
She has the willpower to withstand tremendous amount of torture for the sake of the Rebellion's discretion.
She witnesses her home planet being decimated, which would make anyone change as a person.
She seems to have dealt with a lot of warfare before when firing back at troops and telling Luke, "there wasn't anything you could've done."
She seems to have dealt with a lot of mercenaries before when dealing with Han Solo's payout.
She seems to have experience in getting the Rebel commanders up to speed when times are too urgent.
She seems to be the obvious centerpiece of the Rebellion when awarding the heroes at the ceremony.
She seems to have been fighting for so much of her life that she couldn't even recognize when a person finally acknowledged her personal humanity like Han had.
And all of this was brushed over from an interpersonal viewpoint !
Not only that, star wars was for a "NERD male" audience, it used to be not cool or attractive... society made people believe "why would I get involved with that, if I could get bullied by the cheerleaders" kind of ideas, back in the day
The wobbly smol Yoda outline is just adorable.
9:54 And that little ladder is a great touch. Chef's kiss.
The craziest thing is how Princess Leia is the original female badass character in the original films. She was a trailblazer on how to write a good female character but writers these days can’t figure it out.
Wow, I didn't expect to see it within a single DAY of the announcement!
Great video. Wish you posted more often cause your takes are fun to listen to. Keep up the great work
I was 5 years old in 1977 when my mom (31) Dad (34) and my sister (12) went to see Star Wars on opening night at the Hills Theater downtown Rochester, MI. Went with our old neighbors, who had a son (8) and a daughter (5), my age.
First off, My parents thought it was dumb, but they new it had effected me to the core, so they acted like they liked it. The neighbors parents were also similar in their response. The son and myself were utterly blown away and forever changed. The daughter, my age, though it was OK, but liked Princess Leia. My sister, who was a huge fan of Lord of the Rings and was reading the books at the time, thought it was alright. She liked Han Solo, but she even said on the way home. That movie is definitely for young boys like Tim (me!).
Since then, after seeing the other 2 movies in the theater opening night, their opinions never really changed and watched as I avidly consumed anything Star Wars as any Gen X adolescent boy did. The action figures and toys, comic books, you name it. We would always joke, that Star Wars was my thing and my sisters thing was Lord of the Rings and Steven King Novels. My sister became an Attorney and has always been a strong female who's overly-competitive and has to much testosterone, with a lot of masculine tendencies.
My point is, can't Star Wars just be a boy thing and let thing be for girls? What's wrong with that?
I know Disney wants to make "all za monies!" But Star Wars always has even though as Lucas himself said, it was made for 12 year old boys. Star Wars is an American pop-culture Icon and juggernaut that influence most of modern entertainment. I don't think they are missing any demographic and it seems to make plenty of money on it's own. That's like saying KISS (another of my childhood influences) would have somehow been bigger than "THE HOTTEST BAND IN THE WORLD!!!" if they somehow catered to a more female audience. I can see taking something that has failed or had potential to be huge, and try to make it appeal to a more mainstream, and cross-gender demographic. That's what the MCU did initially.
I think in the end Kathleen Kennedy is very jealous of George Lucas and clearly has a chip on her shoulder. She's made it her life's work to either out due him or destroy it her way down.
What a great video! Thanks for making it. I appreciate the clarity and the nuance in defining the real issue as you see it. I strongly dislike claims that a group of people “hate women” and that’s why they don’t like current Star Wars.
I’ve been reading the Farseer Trilogy, which is authored by a woman, about a royal bastard who is trained to be an assassin for the crown. Nothing about the author being a woman is why I like the books. It’s all about her talent as an author. I like it because an event will happen in the story, and then I’m excited for every conversation between characters about the plot. Because they’re well written, believable, and have engaging dialogue. They’re also very distinctly characterized. My two favorite characters in the story are both women, not really for any reason other than I love their characters(Kettricken and Patience). It’s about telling a good STORY first and foremost. The level of work is very evident. In Star Wars, the LACK of work is evident.
It’s for women like me who already loved it like it was
I'm a woman as well and yes, it was perfect, it had everything I wanted in a story.
Thank you for taking the time out of your studies to make this video essay. For once, I felt like I actually learnt a couple meaningful things on this topic.
1. I never *understood* why girls and women wouldn't watch Star Wars. It's the same reason I haven't sat down and binged Friends or MLP. It feels like a strong argument that they've attacked the wrong problem, especially since most of the constructive criticism is willing to compromise with the shows, indicating to me that the loud voices of the fandom are willing to explore less action-packed stories, if only they are competently made.
2. I didn't know about Marcia Lucas or how important she was for the OT.
3. I didn't know who K.K.'s boss was, and therefore ultimately to blame for all this.
Its money laundering!!!
People are not getting this.
Keep your weinstein mouth shut to protect all those friends of harvey still out there and take this paycheck. Exactly 💯
the very question for whom this story is devastating. you understand? they artificially create a conflict in the basis of society between women and men! star wars was a fairy tale, now it is a tool for political appeals
Where did the $180 million go. There is nothing in this show that looks like it cost more than 10,000 dollars
I get it been saying it for a. While the spent like 12 million on like 1 episode of game of thrones and that shit was bad ass they spent like 100 million on each episode the acolyte and were did all the money go
Maybe
George's Wife was an excellent screenwriter and arguably is the reason the OT is as good as it is, he needed someone to reign in his ideas
If Marcia Lucas was half as good, as people like you pretend she was, she'd have far more great movies under her name than she does. The reality is, she is a golddigger, who cheated on Lucas, because she felt unhappy with him for working all the time, and then ripped him off for 50 million that he made with the work she was unhappy about him doing, leaving him alone to care for a baby girl they adopted together, not even a year earlier.
As far as her supposed contributions to Star Wars go: there's a video titled "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (kinda but not really)", that debunks this unresearched propaganda garbage invented by the likes of Mike Stocklasa, using cited sources.
@@Verebazs. People keep saying that"the prequels had good ideas, but awful execution", and creators like George Lucas need shackles. They barely have examples, even reason!
@@erikbihari3625because its a quick and easy narrative to toss out. You’ll note that no other good directors who’ve made bad films ever have this tossed at them. No one has ever said “james cameron needs someone to rein him in” after the sludge that was avatar.
@@darthgamer9861. Thorias unlimited did(for water's way critique anyway).
The “Marcia Lucas saved SW” narrative is bull shit.
I’m tired of all the lies made just to discredit George who made so many sacrifices and nearly went bankrupt all because of”he made Jar Jar Binks LOLZ.”
What else has Marcia done? Oh right, nothing.
From what I have read, Marcia Lucas is the person who cut together the rebel base tracking the death star moving to fire with the rebels and Luke attacking. She had to "sell" George on it as they were written as separate sequences
Nutsa is rapidly becoming my favourite commentator on cultural issues. Brilliant little essay as always. She touches on a few very interesting topics, not least why… why… some very powerful men are very happy with this situation? Kennedy has her influence and enormous budget for a reason (its certainly nothing to do with quality or box office receipts).
So if "Soomehoww, The Force Awakens Is Even Worse 9 Years Later" was breakfast in this epic meal course.
Then this must be brunch and next up will be lunch with Nutsa serving up a take down dish of TLJ.
Can't wait. Nutsa is cooking for sure.
TLJ is the only good film in that horrible trilogy, only Star Wars fans seem to hate it while the rest of us appreciate that it tried to be something original.
@@Mopark25 I always thought that to be the case, that the people who love TLJ are not Star Wars fans. That I can believe. And if it were not a Star Wars film, that would be fine.
It has been demonstrated by psychologists that little boys are more interested in gadgets and space ships and battles...and I don't see the problem with acknowledging the fact that a lot of what we consider 'adventure stories' are automatically, by their very nature, going to appeal more to a male audience. The difference between the sexes guarantee that there will be products that can't be made universally appealing.
The thing about Star Wars is, I don't think it was intentionally made for boys. I don't think any science fiction is intentionally made for boys; it's just made by men who're indulging their own interests in gadgets and tales of derring-do, and the audience that has those interests is the one that responds.
Christ this channel is criminally under-subbed. You deserve millions for these fantastically well edited and thought out video essays, Lady!
My childhood experience was very different. A female friend of mine showed me the Stars Wars movies. She was a huge fan, and soon enough I became one too. I knew plenty of other girls who loved it. A few years later, in high school, a girl admitted that she has never seen Star Wars. And guess what, some boys laughed at her and mocked her, saying Star Wars is a classic and only uneducated people haven't seen it. Everyone else, boys and girls, encouraged her to watch Star Wars, because it's awesome. No one ever said it wasn't for girls.
Uhm… how to say this as delicately as possible…
This. Is. Fucking. Amazing.
*pause for effect* 😉
Okay, truly though, as one of those long time male fans of SW that apparently hate women in SW I cannot agree with you enough. The narrative modern Disney has been pushing that SW "isn't for girls or women" is complete BS. My sister, also GenX, has been a fan of SW for as long as I have. One of the main reasons is that our mother picked up scifi from her brother at a time when, yeah, it could be argued the genre was more male-focused. Nevertheless, she introduced my sister and I to SW in the late 70s and we haven't looked back.
This takes me to your brilliant breakdown of the real problem starting at 9:20 which is the marketing. Your analysis needs to be heard, so I won't bother trying to summarize. Suffice it to say, I think you are spot-on.
Lastly, your editing, inserts, and high-end graphics (putting on the square glasses is *chef's kiss*) make this such a great addition to the conversation.
Anyway, subscribed. Cheers.
I mean, the "girly" transition effects I could do without, but whatever…
--> /s for any chuds that don't get that
People, mostly the weirdos in Hollywood and who think everything created must be for women and women alone, ignore the fact that men and women have different taste and interest and just because a franchise is mostly dominated by men, doesn't mean there is a problem or anything. Or that you need to "appeal" to everyone.
After all, if we play that game, women dominated franchises like Twilight, 50 shades of grey, Barbie or other female dominated brands, why aren't they making and catering for the other 50% of the population? Are they discriminating against men??!!! It must be because from what these Hollywood people say, there is a problem for male dominated and only male dominated franchises to exist. Female dominated franchises? Lovely. Diverse. Male dominated? Evil. Discriminatory.
The main problem is their current marketing departments are captured by far-left ideologues. They probably got rid of a lot of experienced pros who would've told them that their current path is damaging to their brands. Now several years later with billions of dollars lost and the image of a female action star destroyed they are slowly starting to realized their mistake.
Personally I feel bad for women who want to be action movie stars: they have a lot of work to do to correct the mess people like Kathleen Kennedy and Hollywood at large caused to their brand.
Also, by _only_ taking things they think are for white men all they're doing is reinforcing how important white men are to their world view. If we don't matter anymore why is it so important that you change "our" things? Why not create your own? Oh wait, I know: because you can't.
I agree with your conclusion, women didn't ruin Star Wars, men didn't ruin Star Wars. Disney ruined Star Wars. To the director saying she enjoys making men uncomfortable, I would ask why she doesn't enjoy making men feel entertained? Is she incapable of doing that?
Thank you for making this video. Lucasfilm and Disney will only hear this message if it continues to come from female creators. You’ve earned my sub and now I’m going back on your old videos too!
yo. this is probably the most accurate, nuanced and well articulated take on modern star wars that could also apply to nearly all modern forms of media. theres a massive difference when movies are written from passion - compared to when its bastardized by writers/corporations who dont give a fuck about it at all.
90% of other content creators that discuss similar subjects usually just go straight to 'woke broke hur dur' which is another issue in itself, so watching your take on this subject is appreciated. keep up the good work
Y'all, THIS IS THE VIDEO. Nutsa, you knocked this one out of the park. 🙌
"Let the past die. Kill it - if you have to..."
"Yasss--YAAAASSSS!"
RIP to the most iconic, successful IP in my lifetime. I will cherish the core childhood memories it provided.
It was my mother (b 1962) who planned for years how to show me and my brother A New Hope when we were kids, and it mattered to her so much that we loved it. My father wasn’t into it at all. And it was my mother who took me to see A Phantom Menace when I was a kid, and it was my mother who went with me to see Rogue One (on the day Carrie Fischer passed, coincidentally, which we found out leaving the theater). That was also the day we both gave up on star wars, even though we both thought rogue one was ‘ok’.
Idk what the fuck Disney is talking about.
I saw Rogue One the day after Carrie Fisher passed away, me and my dad came home to find out her mother Debbie Reynolds had passed away, honestly I really liked it, even though it was an incredibly bittersweet day.
Thanks you so much for saying the things that I could never articulate properly ❤❤😂 loved ur essay and I am now happily subbed keep up the good work an good luck on finals🙌🏼
The underlying problem in Hollywood and society is that, while we recognize toxic masculinity, we are not allowed to recognize toxic femininity. Toxic masculinity is very real, and my dad was a perfect example of what I swear to never become. But women are just as human and can have their own flaws downfalls. We need to stop giving unchecked power to people, regardless of their gender.
On the other hand, Star Wars was never about men. It had its appeal to a young male audience but was never exclusively for them. You might point to Han Solo, but he wasn't a hero until he started to let go of his excessive masculinity and began to help and care for others.
As a woman, i couldn't give a shit about star wars, i found it boring, slept through alot of the story, i dont think ive ever seen empire strikes back from beginning to end. My brother however is a super fan & absorbed the lore like he was being paid for it, but he wasnt alone, this was most men. He got me into playing KOTOR which i loved but thats as far as it went for me. Ultimately though you cant replicate/ engineer the level of devotion for stars wars that men have, put a vagina on it to make it to appeal women-- i find it deeply patronising and condescending for ppl like Kathleen Kennedy to do this. And its funny how they complain men are sexist for not watching it but the mythical female audience that their appealing too aint watching it either.
Star wars is for women to. It just wasnt patronising or giving itself back pats for it. Ive never felt excluded from star wars but it never appealed to me as deeply as my brother and his friends
This needs to go viral, what a great take that is not being talked about enough. Everyone is having fun shitting on the acolyte, which I’m cool with, and dissecting the shattering of the lore but this goes beyond that and really hits at the core of the issue. Bravo
It's fair to say that I've never had less confidence in female writers than I do now, after what I've seen and heard them write and do themselves.
I am appreciative of how refreshingly precise your words and judgements are. Sub.
This video was fantastic! Great content :)) but another important note to make is Disney itself being directly responsible for reinforcing misogynistic, sexist, and racist values throughout its history as a company and media producer. Walt Disney was a literal Nazi and opposed the integration of black people and other POC, but the company thinks they can wash their hands of that history and virtue signal and tell us compelling stories not created by them uphold the patriarchy and oppress women? The whole company is creatively and morally bankrupt and I wish more people understood that.
I say it one last time:
People don't want to see strong female characters, they want to see well written female characters
"What she did know how to do was interrupt somebody in midsentence. We’d be pitching ideas back and forth and Kathy, who's supposed to be writing these ideas down, suddenly put her pencil down and would say something like ‘'And what if he didn’t get the girl, and instead he got the dog?'"
Ironically by trying to attract women to the fanbase, Disney has only made the fanbase that much more outwardly hostile to women.
Hoist by their own petard.
Star Wars is a prime example of “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Great vid btw 👏
Thank you for this video Nutsa. I cannot believe Star Wars is where it is at this point. Truly heartbreaking
Wow Marcia Lucas is so right about almost everything. However, there is one thing she was missing here. Ok so probably killing Han Solo wasn't the best move, but it actually did have a purpose. It put over Kylo Ren as the new Darth Vader. If Kylo didn't kill his own father who we all love, he would never be accepted as the new Darth Vader. What they did to Luke though made no sense, they just destroyed Luke and made his death completely meaningless. The biggest mistake they made was never giving us the old crew all together reunited on screen. That's what people wanted. To see the old crew back together again, and then they could pass the torch to the new generation. But the torch never got passed. Kylo Ren got the torch passed to him, but Rey never did. And the second they tried to stick Finn with a frumpy Asian chick and put him in an irrelevant side story on a casino planet, it was guaranteed he would never be a top name or top hero. Then Kylo died and Rey lived. Like Jesus christ, twilight is not in the same league as star wars, it can never be star wars, and can never replace star wars. Twilight is just dumb vapid emotional nonsense, where star wars is based on the core essence of all the world's ancient mythology and the work of Joseph Cambell, to compare Twilight type nonsense to Star Wars is truly offensive to all people and all cultures.
Jesus, Leslie said fake it because you won’t make it
Roasting the Acolyte by comparing it to The Room is beyond genius. I never knew I needed that :D
Dude. That was awesome. If it helps, in a little over 18 minutes you convinced me that your opinion is to be valued. Oh you were wrong about one thing. My Grandma LOVES Star Wars. Cheers.
Just discovered your channel and am now going from one video to the next. Really enjoying it. Keep up the great work!
Good luck with the finals. Cheers.
I'm sorry. I can't get over "I like Kathleen Kennedy. I always liked her. She was full of beans." What? 🤣
I guess "full of beans" is like calling someone the bee's knees. It's an old-school compliment, but it just makes me think she's calling her gassy. 😂
@@hope-cat4894 My parents were born in the 1930s. to them full of beans was a polite way to say you were full of S&!T.
@@hixtonweasle6169 I love that. I might start using it. 😂
@@hope-cat4894 By all means please do. I miss the old lingo😀
Very Based and well written. DAMN and that editing value!!! Subscribed
Well done!👋👋👋. Mic drop!!
Thank you for so eloquently articulating a view, I feel, many have but fumble in presentation.☮️
Wow. Amazing text, great analysis!!! Keep on the good work!!
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