Radosław Sikorski w CNN | Fareed Zakaria | NATO panel part 1-2
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- Radosław Sikorski w CNN | Fareed Zakaria | NATO panel part 1-2
PART I
Sweden and Finland want in, but NATO’s previous rounds of expansion irked Russia and provoked serious debate.
A bit of post-Cold War history from Member of European Parliament and former Polish Foreign and Defense Minister Radosław Sikorski and Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations
PART II
Should the West guarantee Ukraine’s security?
And how can this war be ended?
Fareed’s conversation with Member of European Parliament and former Polish Foreign and Defense Minister Radosław Sikorski and Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations
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Did Poland look like a "russian backyard" in 90s for you mr Kupchan? Srsl? Imagine how Poland would look today if your option prevailed 20 years ago...damn...I'm so glad it did not.
Sikorski daje czadu
NATO was created to secure USA and its closest allies after WW2, when soviet russia immediately become a threat (50,60ties especially). It's absolutely logical move for any neighbor of current facist russia, that joining the NATO is the best security move the given country can get. NATO is about building a defense. Putin would already test NATO if Ukraine would fall in February.
" when soviet russia immediately become a threat (50,60ties especially)"
lol, the uk was making plans to attack the soviet union even before ww2 ended, nato was a first move, not a response.
@@randomdude2832 thabt was right after ww2, and it was called Operation Unthinkable which would avoid Russia to take control of eastern europe and totally eliminate cold war. It would be perfect if succeeded though.
@@mrbilginc "which would avoid Russia to take control of eastern europe"
translation, it would give control of eastern europe to the us and uk...
" and totally eliminate cold war."
a *huge* part of the cold war was stuff like operation unthinkable...
" It would be perfect if succeeded though."
raze europe for control of the ashes, I guess that's a perfect pipe dream for some people...
@@randomdude2832 "translation, it would give control of eastern europe to the us and uk..." -> Better for those people who lived under Soviet oppression for decades. They would be richer and would build their democracies earlier.
"a huge part of the cold war was stuff like operation unthinkable..." -> Not at all.. Iron curtain was a prison, while west was advancing with science, technology and democracy.
"raze europe for control of the ashes, I guess that's a perfect pipe dream for some people..." -> I lived in Ukraine, and Russia and speak both languages due to family ties. Not a single smart person is missing those terrible years with total fascism, exploitation and communist brainwashing.
Russia will pay the price sooner or later, but first Putin!
@@mrbilginc " Better for those people who lived under Soviet oppression for decades. They would be richer and would build their democracies earlier."
south america, africa, south east asia and the middle east disagree.
"while west was advancing with science, technology and democracy"
the soviet union advanced with science technology, first satellite, first man in space, first space station.
and the democracies in the west are not much to boast about...
" Not a single smart person "
translation, those I agree with... xD xD xD xD
" is missing those terrible years with total fascism, exploitation'
weird, I've met many that do miss those times...
They seem they don’t want to remember the USA gave Ukraine security guarantees - clearly they’d rather be avoiding this rhetoric. I’ve noticed several comments as to the Budapest memorandum, so I’ll add: The memorandum is a written and signed document - not the rumors around it. What the parties agreed to is in the text, the rest is irrelevant
The peaceful dismantling of the USSR and liberation of its satellites was also predicated on the west's assurances that NATO would not expand. Things might look different if Ukraine had ceded some territory to Russia simultaneously with acquiring some sort of NATO status.
@@63rambler66 As far as I remember there was never any formal treaty promising that NATO wouldn't expand. The only promise was no permanent NATO bases in Eastern Europe.
@@slabart12 I believe it's preserved in writing: the meeting transcripts. I've heard the security guarantees to Ukr also dismissed as not truly binding for whatever reason. What would those guarantees be? Unlimited weaponry supplied by whom? Threats to Russia of nuclear bombs? Non-Ukr troops on the ground? There has to be some upper bound mentioned somewhere - I don't know the details myself.
@@63rambler66 The security guarantees to Ukraine were enshrined in the Budapest memorandum. I know of no such document relating to NATO expansion.
@@slabart12 selective amnesia. It's of known knowledge to every historian that Russia were àssured NATO would not expand. The west is not white and fluffy when it comes to this war
That guy Kupchan lives in the age of empires - where smaller nations and just objects of the larger ones. I live in a small Czech nation and I am super happy we became part of NATO. This doesn´t threaten Russian or anyone - it just makes us a less likely target of conquest. Russian was trusted and invested into way TOO MUCH, as we bitterly experience now.
This man lacks in understanding of Russia’s policy towards Eastern and Central Europe. He failed us by being against Ukraine and Georgia being NATO members.
No you don't understand, people like Radek led us to 3 wars already(2 in Ukraine and 1 in Georgia). You can't change your neighbours. Status quo benefited us both finiancially and from the pov of strategy(not having to face Russia and China together). Radek Sikorski says "realist policies failed" - when it's the opposite is true. Liberal crusading fails, wars in middle east Sikorski supported and reckless idea of expanding NATO to the border of Russia itself brought nothing but death, destruction and huge increase in inflation. Have fun being chleb for 9zł. Few more months and Ukraine will be a giant crater and will probably need to cede Dontesk and Lugask to Russia. I'd bet it will not end up in NATO anyway making this war totally pointless.
It's funny how you pretend that Russia needs some kind of push in order to be expansionist.
This is historically not true, the only time they didn't expand and occupy other nations was during deep crisis
So your whole point about Russia being provoked into war bears no proof
We want more America in Eastern Europe !!!!
We hoped earlier that with the end of Cold War, the world will look forward to everything except Wars. Sadly it is not and everyone is paying the price
Well said👍
Bomba!
UN should install a piece force in Ukraine including Cremia and see to it , that frontiers are respected and ucraine can be rebuild again, without interruption
Russian soldiers will handcuff UN soldier's arms around telephone poles
And what is UN, whose forces will go there? Lol some of you people are reallly dumb
why do WE, the invaded country, have to come down to negotiating our lands? WTF???
has Ukraine invaded russia? or is it russian boots and missiles in Ukraine? absolutely cynical to suggest us that.
Some ignorants in USA and Western Euroe just can not wait to go back to business as usual with Russia and it's sad. It's so easy to give up land that it's not yours. Would they give up Alaska or Paris to Russia?
Special military operation! Your opinion matters not. Foh!!!
@@lillyhartley8667 It must be a terrible feeling for Russian people to face 15 years in prison for teling the truth and calling war a war. They don't know any better so it's their survival tactic to say "special military operation" Nobody wants to go to prison.
CH. Kupchan needs to reflect, no lessons learnt on his side, sooo upsetting and disappointing.....
Ukrainian leader didn’t learn from Georgia 🙄
It will be tragic if the end result of the war leaves Ukraine as a land locked country. I very much hope that won’t be the case.
In the end it will be largely the case, because of the mistakes of the US/Nato/EU conglomerate and the mistakes of the Kiev Zelensky government.
the only "President"..dancing on high heels..."hope" man
Don't worry, Ukraine will have an access to the sea anyway after Poland assimilate it
I think Russia is smart enough to give Ukraine its Basra
The Ukrainian people voted this little idiot in as President ... so now they have to own it all ! Ukraine will not only be landlocked, Poland is eyeing up a chunk of the West to take themselves. Ukraine will be not much bigger than a postage stamp. You poke the bear one too many times, don't expect to keep the arm !
Charlie Kupchen - is a rabid anti Russia professor, it is hard to expect a fair and balance analyses from him.
How the hell can you push russia out from the donbass?
Only with Nato troops there and that will be third world War.
Russia takes 20 per cent of ukr territory in the end.
Destroys 20% *
I am sure that Russian expansion is a bad idea.
What's problem for Russia to be at border of Poland and Finland, if it is okay to have NATO at border of Russia.
Ukraine is a sovereign country. What part of that do you not understand? Or do you think countries have the right to invade their sovereign neighbors whenever they want?
Because that is where NATO should be.
Btw - Ukraine already they would NOT join NATO before Russia invaded. So it is pretty clear that this conflict isn't about NATO at all. That is simply an excuse from Russia. This is about old Russian men who are bitter about the collapse of the Soviet Union and want to reestablish Russia supposed imperial strength by absorbing their former territories. They are enraged and bitter that Ukraine, a country once firmly under Moscow's control, is choosing a Western path on its own by wanting to establish trade with the E.U. Putin and his entourage are pathetic and are taking out their hurt egos by committing atrocities on Ukraine, a sovereign country.
Have you heard of Kaliningrad?
@@sebtheanimal If Russia was at our border in Mexico . We would us nukes
Ktos zle narysowal mape Ukrainy przy rozpadzie ZSRR. wszedzie tam gdzie mieszkali ludzie poczuwajacy sie Rosjanami, mowiacy po rosyjsku etc, od razu powinny znalezc sie w granicach Rosji. Jakie wtedy byly by powody do dzisiejszych wasni? Ale wojna to interes, wiec dzisiejsze pogawedki politykow to BS, przeciez to jest ich raison d'etre. Inaczej czym by uzasadniali swoje zarobki, obecnosc na salonowych galach jak na pokazach hote couture dla Panow.
Lenin rysowal 1919 Marzec ansluss donbasu 1922 Chorsen i Odessa w 1925 Stalin zawrucil port noworosyjsk mieli od marca 1918 do kwietnia 1920 na mocy traktatu Brzeskiego Tagenrog wrucil do Rosji po 6 latach jak gornicze miasto Szachty w 1924 przekazal homel i Witebsk Bialorusi w 1936 mimo wlk glodu ktora doprowadzil do smiercia 2 mln kazachuw nadal panstwowosc twozec Kazachska rep z 6 mln mieszkancuw
@@andrzejstoszek4035 napisz Pan ksiazke..poczytamy
This constant appeasement by people like Kupchan towards Putin is going to be catastrophic in a long run. History is repeating itself, they're failing to see Putin for who he is.
😂😂😂😂😂
He has nukes my guy… nukes
Poor Russia can’t deal with living next door to NATO countries. Does anyone think that any country (NATO or otherwise) wants to live next door to them?
If Russia was a good neighbour, there would be no need to join Nato but Russia is what it is.
Lol 😂 America is the perpetrator you all forgot Cuban missile crisis
@@chloerichardson9232 Nobody cares about cold war era crap anymore. USSR is gone and Putin can't stand it. Ukraine has no nukes. It's Russia that has nukes pointed at Nato member states. Did Nato attakced Russia? Having a weapon and using it are two different things. Putin is just paranoic and needs excuses to justify his sick ideas. He hates Ukraine because he does not like democratic states at his borders. He keeps russian people busy thinking about war instead of improving their standard of living.
@@chloerichardson9232 Russia loves to live in the past (citing the Cuban middle crisis, Napoleon, or Crimean War) in arguments, because in the press day, Russia’s a failed state run by an embarrassingly incompetent regime. 20 years of Putin in power and he’s brought shame, isolation, and a backwards commodity-based economy to Russia.
If NATO doesn't want to live next door to Russia, why they try to involve Ukrain. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kupchan basically showed himself to be a political hack toward the end of this segment. Meh. To hell with him.
US should not talk about Russia.
why would it be a mistake?
Uraa Rusia , strong Rusia ia good for the world , the WEST hypocrisy should be destroyed.
It will end in peace. The question is: what kind of peace.....
This will not end until Russia moves into Poland and eastern Europe … They won’t occupy just destroy
"We need to stop him in Ukraine".. we is who ? And how are going to make it? Good luck then.
Y’all thought this was a two month war. This will play out for years
@@cooldudecs Are you sure it's not one those predictions and interpretations from the so-called specialists in the media? When and from whom did you hear that the war was going to last two months. I haven't heard any Russian official giving the timing of this war.
Your assessments on this war is stagering filled with propergander and people comming on banging the drums of war so they can promote more weapons at the same time playing dangerous proxy war game , just look at the economic situation sanctions were for Russia not inflicting economic pain on us - shame no promotion on peace
Put first things first. At first, we need to defeat Russia then think about economy. Otherwise, the history like this with Ukraine will repeat again and again until Russian tanks are in the Atlantic Ocean.
Banging the drums? Are you talking about Russia? They are the only country wanting this war. We are in our land. They are not. We protect ourselves. They are attacking us. Russians should get back to their country and pay what they did in Ukraine. They can have troops on their land where they please and we are entitled to do the same. The land of our countries is not Russian neighbourhood. It’s our soil we fought for paying with our blood for it and we can decide which military stays there. We want Russians in Russia not in Central or Eastern Europe.
Sad irony of these silly US/EU sanctions is they are hurting EUROPE and eventually the US, whilst Russia is enduring. It has commodities the world needs and has adjusted to this economic attack. Moreover, EU nations are still buying Russia oil, they're just not making that public. The US couldve intervened and demanded a ceasefire a month ago. Its leadership has stated clearly it is happy with a war with russia, even if it means the destruction of Ukraine. Neocons being neocons.
@@andrzejbizon5128 if history repeat itself and there russian tanks reach the atlantic, it will be exactly for people repeating history trying to move tanks ever closer to moscow...
starting by the us led uukranian coup in 2014, nato training literal nazis in ukraine, setting biolabs there, and shelling donbass for 8 years.
The quality of Russian trolls is laughable. The only war promoter is Vladimir Putin. Everyone knows that.
The fundamental question is why does NATO exist to start with in a post, Soviet era??
Because Putin's state of mind is still soviet
Sikorsky lives in LaLa Land.
You mean PoLaLaLand
Polish people are very good working
Kupchan ignores the fact that the U.S.'s long range artillery has yet to really arrive to Ukraine. Kupchan is the descendant of Neville Chamberlain. Sikorski is exactly right about the way out, which requires a Russian defeat and return of all Ukrainian lands, including Crimea.
As a Pole Sikorski knows Russia better than most Americans ever will. You have no clue what it was like to live under soviet influance for 50 years. Nodody asked Poles for permission. FDR sold Poland in Yalta to Stalin.
@@Blanka1100 Ja wiem.
@@Blanka1100 Well, this is a very simple view on Polish-Russian relations. Russ and Poland Slavic states emerged in IX century. Russ was baptized in Orthodox Christianity and Poland in Catholic. In XIII century Russ was weakened by Mongols and Lithuania captured Russ western lands (nowadays Ukraine and Belarus). When Moscow emerged and started to reunite Russ lands Lithuania in 1384 made Union of Krewo with Poland. Since then Russian and Polish elites had many tensions around Belarus and Ukraine. In 1610 during Russia's Time of Troubles Polish troops captured Moscow. And in the late XVIII century after Swedish invasions and then Germany/Austria/Russia partitions Poland stopped to exist as a state with most of Polish and Lithuanian lands under Russia's rule. In 1812 Napoleon came to Moscow with Polish troops, and after Napoleon was defeated Russia gave Poland partial autonomy, but during XIX century Russia crushed hard all Polish uprisings. In 1917 Russian Empire collapsed after revolution and USSR emerged. Poland gained independence in war with USSR and took western Belarus and Ukraine's lands. In 1938 Poland took part in partition of Czechoslovakia and Polish elites had plans to jointly invade USSR with Germany. But USSR and Germany in 1939 signed pact due to which USSR gained Baltic states and western Ukraine/Belarus lands. During WW2 fkn Stalin 'liberated' Poland (actually Hitler promised to terminate all Untermenschen, including Poles and Jews). And after WW2 fkn Stalin gave Poland eastern Germany lands as a gift and compensation for western Ukraine/Belarus lands. 45 years Poland was under communist rule and in 1990-1991 became democratic state. In 1997 Zbigniew Brzeziński wrote a book 'The Grand Chessboard' where he described that Ukraine must be alienated from Russia. In 1999 Poland joined NATO, and in 2004 joined EU. In 2004 Poland supported unconstitutional change of power in Ukraine. In 2010 presidents of Poland and Russia had to commemorate Pole officers killed by USSR in 1939, but plane of president Lech Kaczynski crashed in Belarus. In 2012 Poland and Ukraine jointly hosted European Football Championship. In 2014 Poland supported coup in Ukraine and in 2020 supported disorders in Belarus.
That was a brief story of Russian-Polish relations. So, you now may understand composition of spaghettis in brains of Polish ruling elites and particularly in brain of Mr. Sikorski 🙃
Sikorski is delusional. Maybe I want pony in my backyard, but don't think I'm going to get it. Polish army is a joke as NATO. Wait for winter time, Europe will freeze to death without Russias gas. Problem solved.
@@Blanka1100
Fully agreed 👍👍
The Poles know the price of freedom better than anyone else !
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Two voices for NATO expansion is a debate LOL.
Toronto
Call same minded people & call it the Debate. Delusiona.
Ukraine is already divided after the pro-West 2014 Revolution in Kiev, overthrew the then Democratically elected Government. A civil war that started then and it comes to an end for the Donbas, Russian ethnic Eastern Ukrainian, fighting for Self Rule Independent from Kiev control. No ??
Russian speaking Ukrainians feel Ukrainians and Donbas belongs to Ukraine. Russia was very suprised that Eastern Ukraine did not welcome them with a bunch of flowers.
How come Russia didn't allow Karelians and Chechens to be independent as well? There is division in every country as well, Russia did not need more land.
Thanks Mr Sikorski
Such a level of ignorance from one panel is absolutely staggering.
The Minsk agreements were the legal framework to bring peace of mind to those involved, mainly to Ukraine, but Ukraine herself steadfastly refused to apply them for a little over 8 years . That continuous genocide was hushed up by the UN, US, EU, UK, NGO'S, Western media and others...Now that Russia has put reality on the table, the same unfortunates who have been silent are the ones who go out to judge and punish Russia. But do you know what those who criticize and sanction Russia today have done?
1 Promote a coup against legitimate government
2 Continuously boycott the Minsk agreement
3 Secretly train the military
4 Sell Ukraine weapon
5 Create a media crisis
6 Destroy the Ukrainian economy....
Were these Minsk agreements an addendum to the Budapest Memorandum? Russia guarenteed Ukraine's independence, territorial integrity, etc. Why do Russian trolls always suffer from selective amnesia?
The Budapest Memorandum did not take into account NATO expansion or a violent overthrow of a government in Ukraine 2014 supported by many US diplomats and visiting politicians including John McCain . Nor did the Budapest Memorandum take into account the US withdrawal from the ABM treaty and the placing of missile infrastructure in Poland.
@@nemeczek67 " Russia guarenteed Ukraine's independence, territorial integrity, etc"
so did the us, and then the us led the maidan coup in 2014.
BS. The Minsk agreement was a way to make Ukraine Russia-dependent country. Ukraine was forced to that "agreement" by force and lack of Western military support (and lack of military support was effect of Ukrainian inability to defend itself). The Minsk agreement was nothing more then operational pause. Ukrainians knew that, Russians knew that, any rational person knew that.
Are you high or a Russian troll? Russia is a mafia state run by a brutal dictator who kills his political opponents. He doesn't respect any treaties. He invaded Ukraine in an attempt to rebuild the Russian/Soviet empire talking bullshit about Ukraine being ruled by 'Nazis and drug addicts' etc. Fortunately, it looks like his kleptocratic regime (corrupt to the core, based on lies and oppression) will not be able to achieve this.
Finland was a beautiful country. Note - I'm using the past tense
Russia should just go ahead then attack Finland/Sweden then. If this is really about NATO expansion, then why is Russia so reluctant to start another war in the name of curbing nato expansion. Why?
@@alexanderhoye Russia didn't start it. Ukraine started it 8 years ago. Russia had been persuading Ukraine to stop it for 8 years!!!, but Ukraine, pushed by the United States, did not stop hostilities. So Russia decided to stop it itself. And now you hear this bullshit about a some democracy)))
@@user-ue3ne4do6d no way - you mean Ukraine started it by not being cool towards Russia when they invaded Ukraine by annexing Crimea and sending military to Donbas 8 yrs ago? How dare a sovereign country fight back after getting attacked.
@@alexanderhoye it happened after the coup supported by the USA
@Сергей Note that one Finn can kill 500 Russians. And since the Winter War, they've trained a lot of new snipers.
its noy un normal for a country to want to side with outhers for economic prosperity as ukrain has done
Okay
Russia has no issue as the world is not anymore euro centric. Putin will get enough income through oil and gas from BRICS countries
They will not pay him as much as Europe. It's just his wishful thinking.
I just want to see when first bomb drop on north, where your guess will bevsetting in north to defend his motherland or in south south `south pole´ or west west `e.g. Hawaie´ side of conflict and show a fingure to north!
Radek, old news plus bad shave?…Kids look at orban, hungary.
Orban is just Putler's useful idiot. Nothing to be proud of.
To defeat & expel Russia? Mr. Sikorski, you are too romantic as compared to Prof. Kupchan. He is more practical than you on Ukraike crisis.
Is house insurance good ? if a burglar lives next door ..
Or put it another way
Is NATO a good insurance policy.... when Russia is a criminal state ..and lives next door...
If the Americans were bothered by rockets in Cuba, Russia is also bothered by rockets.
How come US didn't invade Cuba then.
@@superlogic5700
The United States embargo against Cuba! It is the most enduring trade embargo in modern history.
The Russians have given up, but the Cubans have been under sanctions for years.
@@superlogic5700
America tried to invade Cuba in 1961.
I hope you know the history.
All russian neighbours are BEGGING for admitting to Nato, don't confuse bully with a victim. What about Ukrainian concerns about Russian rockets?
@Jon Little being M. Mirkovic’s spokesman :-) i’m glad to make the remark: what mr. Mirkovic means is the Monroe Doctrine and the fact that Russia as a wanna-be superpower mimics the US in their actions according to this holy american Doctrine. or do you seriously mean that Canada or Mexico would be allowed to welcome Chinese military base on their territory? Cuba crisis is a good example indeed.
Thank you, Radek!
Fact is : if Ukraine was NATO member in 2014, Putin would not invade Ukraine then , all Donbas people would continue to live in peace, Russian people would be living happily, Russian gas would keep flowing west to Europe, it would be “business as usual “ . Hopefully Russian people eventually will get rid off maniac Putin.
Um, no. Putin would just have invaded earlier. The entire point is that Russia has said repeatedly that it would not allow Ukraine to join NATO. So your scenario just implies a Russian invasion when Ukraine began acting as a de facto member of NATO (weapons, training etc.) but before it became official.
@@brendanbeirne2 my “if” obviously implied hypothetical scenario. But it is true. What I also implied is that countries join nato if they are threaten by Putin’s autocratic imperialistic ambitions or obsession.
@Jon Little The examples of Georgia and Crimea say otherwise.
@Jon Little You misunderstood me / I wasn't clear enough: the reason Russia was in Georgia was precisely because NATO invited Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO at the end of the 2008 Bucharest summit. "NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO." Russia invaded Crimea in response to the US-backed coup and the deepening military relationship between UA and NATO. Clearly, there's no 'joining NATO real quick before the Russians figure it out.' That is wishful thinking.
@Jon Little Now we're getting somewhere! This -- "And do not talk to me about existential threat; do not tell me that would just provoke Russia" -- is like saying, "Do not throw REALITY in my face." The question is not what you and yours think is a threat to Russia, but what Russia deems a threat. Power is a bitch, and Russia has it. Wheat and oil alone are threatening to backfire in world-historical ways on the West.
On a side note: are we supposed to believe both that 1) Russia is losing in Ukraine; and 2) Putin's next move is to invade Eastern Europe and reconstitute the Soviet Union?
Radek is so optimistic.He was very useful in Kiev 2014 Majdan,,,,and now he's about to be a part in new,this time anti Putin coup. Don't be ridiculous mr Radek,,,
He is not optimistic, he is idiotic. It's a typical 'gonor' of Polish elites, which often led them into troubles
Radek Sikorski was never "pro-Putin" (his whole life is proof for his anti-Soviet/Russian stance; he was the one who forced the West to introduce sanctions for occupation/annexation of Crimea). He was always realist. In 2014 when Ukraine had no army and no will to fight, signing the "Minsk agreements" was the only option for Ukraine and everyone knew it's just temporary. Now there's at least a chance to defeat Russia (if US & the West will keep helping to Ukraine military).
@@dariuszb.9778 you got this totally wrong.Its not what I meant....
@@zbigt.1004 Oh, I took wrongly that "this time". Sorry, my bad.
Sikorski mistrz!
Actually kupchan Only realist here, Kids.
We don't need another N. Chamberlains.
@@Blanka1100 wow! Seriously Thats the best you can do?…no tears when 700k civilians got killed in Iraq?
Radek forward! But you should think how to defeat PiS as well. Before Trump comes back!
Do Radka miżesz po Polsku też umi
@@orel2811 But this is an English forum.
What is he speaking Russia should have invaded Finland n Sweden. Russia can not do that with hands tight with Ukraine conflict. Russia will bid its time and there will be more wars in Europe.
What about the security pact by Finland they are using some parts in their country which were given them by Russia.
Mr.polish guy with all due respect..ur analysis as to why PUTEEEN invaded Ukraine ( like a Swiss cheese)..is so off topic. here's one for u,,,who's pushing Finland/swede to join NATO. ????????
As far as independence is concern mr.polish guy,,,
Russia said recently that they have no problem with them,,as long as they stay neutral ..oooooppppss
A fact...but u see when u elect zelinsky to say he wants to bring nuclear missiles in his country..!!!
Do u know any thing about cuban crisis..?????
That's the answer.
What the hell I know,,I am just saying...!!!!
Ppeeeeeeeeece
You can not stay neutral as long as Russia keeps invading its neighbours with every stupid excuse. If Russia was a good neighbour, there would be no need to join Nato.
One more thing. I am sick and tired of Russia's paranoia. Dictators need excuses. Nato never attacked Russia. It's Russia who keeps invading non Nato member neighbours. Russia has nukes pointed at Nato members so what? Did Nato attack Russia because of it? Nobody cares about cold war era cuba crap anymore. If you are looking for justifications you will not find it.
Brawo Radek. Tak trzymaj. Pozdrawiam.
Mr. Sikorski managed to contradict himself in one statement. First he says Russia didn't invade Finland after they declared they want to join Nato, as the realists theory would predict. And 30 seconds later he says Russia will invade Finland when Putin is finished with Ukraine.
As much as I understand that a country like Poland has a fundamentally different view about this conflict than the US, I don't think Mr. Sikorski has the better arguments how to deal with this situation.
Is Sikorsky a helicopter dad?
I don't see a contradiction there. Russia didn't invade Finland over NATO, so clearly it's not a valid realists point. However, Russia that conquered Ukraine might invade other countries. That would be a very different Russia, strengthened by both natural and human resources, with its empire ambitions emboldened by current success. Similarly, would Hitler try to conquer France in 1939? He needed more resourced to do that.
A nuclear fallout
I'm surprised that Mr. Kupchan was adviser to President Obama, he thinks and talks like supporter of Donald Trump.
Obama bawił się w restarty z Putinem i Rosją, więc jakoś się nie dziwię. Widać kto mu podpowiadał.
NATO missiles don't bother Putin as much as suppression of Russian ethnic groups by Ukrainian nationalist, who had previously collaborated in the Nazi invasion of USSR. In the Russian view, the successor state of Nazi Germany is Nato.
Nah, that is just Putin's narrative to justify his aggressions. If any are behaving Nazi like, it is Putin.
NATO is a defence alliance of democracies. Russia is a dictatorship country that has started seven wars during Putin's reign.
NATO expansion is great. NATO countries are protected by the nuclear umbrella and prevents a Russian invasion.
This is bs
What supression? I'm from Donbass, the only supression I had were the shelling that started in 2014 when Russia decided to fund mercenaries
@@HeadhuntexGamer stop bullshiting
Lmao nice "debate"😂😂
These men and the interviewer are disgusting. No thinking human could believe their BS. Hope their all paid well. Almost hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. Cmon man
Poland has a clandestine American base with rockets. Russia answered this base with Iskander rockets in Kaliningrad. Putin can relay upon Sweden and Finland not to allow the USA nuclear rockets on their territory - the West Europa have only American plane tactical nuclear bombs but no rockets, too. Ukraine and Poland are weak against the USA and allow American nuclear rockets with 5 minutes fly time to Moscow.
_____For Russia it is the same as when Kennedy did not allowed such Soviet rockets on Cuba - Kennedy ordered the Cuba-Blockade. Cuba could not join Warsaw Pact but Ukraine have the promise of NATO to accept Ukraine as NATO-Member and Ukraine have in its constitution since 2019 that Ukraine will join NATO. Russia had to stop American nuclear rockets in Ukraine before Ukraine join NATO.
_____The USA are responsible for the Ukraine war as the USA are since the Fall of the USSR in Ukraine and officially (told in US-Parliament) spent more the 5 Milliard dollars for hurting the sovereignty of Ukraine - the USA have promised in Minsk-Agreement not to do it.
@Jon Little: "There are no NATO nukes in Ukraine, Ukraine is not being asked to host nukes. Despite Putin's paranoia, Ukraine does not present an imminent existential threat."
The nukes in Poland are not NATO nukes, too, they are only American nukes. USSR reacted on Cuba on American nukes in Turkey. You are naive when you think the USA will not put its nukes in Ukraine and Russia has probably clandestine detailed American plans about nukes in Ukraine already (delivered by Russian spies in Pentagon).
Russia had to make these American plans impossible before Ukraine join the NATO.
_____If Russia would start to build its base without nukes in Cuba and in Mexico then the USA would remind Russia about the Doctrine Monroe-Rossevelt, which does not allow any one to be present in the whole South America continent - only the USA. The USA sent troops more then ten times to countries of South America on the base of this Doctrine. Russia wants this Doctrine only to one country - to Ukraine. And you talk about a "moral equivalence"? The USA are solely responsible for the Ukraine war.
@Jon Little "First. we aren't talking Poland. Putin hasn't invaded that NATO country. Yet"
Because Poland is in NATO and Russia do not want a war with NATO.
"Ukraine does not have nukes"
But WILL get an American nuke-base after joining NATO as it was a case with Poland.
"Your argument (which, interestingly, is no different than Putin's) therefore justifies US invading Venezuela, as Russia has invaded Ukraine. "
The USA does not need Russian in Ukraine in order to invade any country of South America. For the USA the Doctrine Monroe-Rossevelt it is enough for this purpose - president Trump and his adviser Bolen have said 2018 that the Doctrine Monroe-Rossevelt is of course valid - in result the countries of the South America are the poorest in the world.
The Doctrine Monroe-Rossevelt does not force the USA to invade any country of the South America continent but only allows to do it. And the USA have done it more then ten times already. What the USA are doing in Venezuela is the other theme but the USA are very active in Venezuela and obviously prefer these activities more then invading Venezuela - for now.
Russia has invaded Ukraine AFTER -- NOT BEFORE !!!!!!!! -- the Doctrine Monroe-Rossevelt and after many American invasions in South America. So you want the American right to invade at will and call it moral. Only if Russia does the same but at 1% of American invasions, in justified fear of the USA base with nukes 5 minutes fly time from Moscow, then, THEN it is not moral for you.
@Jon Little And these American nukes in Turkey - were they an existential threat to USRR? They were. So you say Russia should wait till Ukraine is in NATO as Poland and then the USA built its nuke-base in Ukraine, an existential threat to Russia but Russia cannot do anything about it as then Ukraine were in NATO.
Do you know that the USA have promised Gorbachev not to broaden the NATO in East Europa? But not as an agreement on paper - still, the USA said publicly the USA understand that NATO in East Europa would be an existential threat to Russia -- East Europa is in NATO and the USA wants Ukraine in NATO. The USA have created a situation of existential threat for Russia and caused with it the Ukraine war.
@Jon Little : ***Putin's "property rights" end at the border. If Putin wants to terrorize the neighborhood with his vicious dogs, the world community has the right, and obligation, to put the dogs down. If Putin has a problem with that, he can start engaging in meaningful dialogue with the world community, as other responsible nations like the US does. And "meaningful dialogue" does not mean banging the speaker's podium with his shoe making demands, as his predecessor did, or threatening "special military operations" and nuclear attack.***
The America's "property rights" end at the border. If the America wants to terrorize the neighborhood with its vicious dogs, the world community has the right, and obligation, to put the dogs down. If Americans has a problem with that, they can start engaging in meaningful dialogue with the world community, as other responsible nations like Russia or EU do. And "meaningful dialogue" does not mean banging the speaker's podium with his shoe making demands or threatening "special military operations" and nuclear attack.
"The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal found the former heads of state guilty after a four-day hearing. A seven-member panel chaired by former Malaysian Federal Court judge Abdul Kadir Sulaiman presided over the trial. The five panel tribunal unanimously decided that the former US and British leaders had committed crimes against peace and humanity, and also violated international law when they ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The prosecutors at the hearing ruled that the invasion of Iraq was a flagrant abuse of law, and act of aggression which amounted to a mass murder of the Iraqi people." - Press TV, Nov 22, 2011
*** “Bush and Blair are found guilty under the same law that applied to the Nazis after the end of the World War II. So, they are international (war) criminals guilty of Nuremberg crimes against peace; and they should be prosecuted by any state in the world that gets a hold of them.” Francis Boyle, an international law expert and prosecutor, told Press TV. *** - Press TV, Nov 22, 2011
Your president Bush is in register of war criminals - why the moral of you and America allows not to put him in prison?
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@Jon Little ***you cannot justify Putin's bad behavior by saying, "they did it first".***
Courts usually take into account if someone is defending himself. And Russia is defending itself against the USA and Ukraine.
Fareed Zakaria uses Russia to prove his patriotic credentials. Then mopes over the plight of the Ummah. Sad two facedness. Russia is great for the Middle East. He knows but can't say so. His country of origin gives him power over language but a crooked soul, that's the price
with heeps of oligarchs and billionaires
Russia joint the west ? 😂
Ciekawy materiał. Dziękuję. Pozdrawiam
Więcej mrugaj 😂
Świetne wystąpienie Sikorskiego. Dopóki Ukraińcy chcą walczyć, ruszmy niebo i ziemię aby mieli czym.
Tak niech sie pozabijaja nawzajem z tym ze rosjan jest wiecej ...
@@85trebuh Właśnie dlatego Ukrainie trzeba dostarczyć tyle broni, aby była w stanie zrównoważyć to, co ruskie orki ściągnęły na ukraiński front. Upadek Ukrainy oznacza wojnę w Polsce w ciągu kilku lat. "Kompromis" oznacza kontynuację wojny o Ukrainę w ciągu kilku lat (Rosja zawsze traktowała rozejmy jako przerwę operacyjną do zwiększenia zbrojeń). Tylko porażka militarna, ekonomiczna i polityczna Rosji, do której oficjalnie chcą doprowadzić USA (oby żadni idioci w rodzaju Kissingera tego nie popsuli), zagwarantuje pokój w Europie Środkowej na najbliższe pokolenie.
Tak. Wyslij swoje dzieci I meza na ta wojne. No I dlaczego sama nie idziesz walczyc za Ukraine ?
Tak przygłupie następni na rzeź będą Polacy jak się Ukraińcy skończą.
Sikorski to jest zdrajca piesek salonowy globalistów
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That Kupchan guy should not be a teacher. He obviously knows no history. He knows nothing about the reasons why Russia tries to advance westwards since the times of Peter the Great, and why the Baltic states, Poland and Romania, and even Turkey are not safe until Russian imperialism, which has survived the Soviet era, is extinguished forever. If he knew, he'd understand that as long as Russia doesn't undergo a transformation similar to that of Germany after WW2 it will keep rearming and trying again to expand westwards forever. He's the perfect example of what Russians call an useful idiot.
It's Radoslaw Sikorsky not Radic Sikorsky.
"Radosław (/raˈdɔs.waf/) " has diminutive version "Radek [ˈradɛk] " , which Mr Sikorski is also using.
😂😂😂😂😂
BS talk
It going to be no problem to Russia army be in Cuba and Mexico ?
Rusofob
Russofobia is the only sane perspective. Russia is the worst threat thinkable to local and global peace.
Thank you Radoslaw for your brave and smart position
Brave and smart position indeed! A selfish position that costs him (Poland) nothing and sentences thousands of lives of young Ukrainian soldiers to pointless death and disability, for a futile unwinnable struggle..to serve the emotional whim indignation of westerners sitting in their comfy homes far away from the conflict..., and the bloodthirsty military industrial complex profits. What carp!
Ukraine, EU, and NATO are not going to destroy Russia. The best thing to do is negotiate with Russia. With the end result ensuring to Russia's satisfaction, that the EU, NATO, and Ukraine are not a threat to Russia's existence.
Stop talking to a terrorist state of Russia. It's Russia that started this war. Putin never cared about diplomacy. Stop being naive.
Typical of Zakaria, who pushed the Iraq War, to invite two guests who agree with the neocon narrative. Why is he afraid to talk to Mearsheimer and Walt?
Exactly, the Russians were ready to negotiate and the Turks were willing to facilitate that. It was puppet Zelenskyy and the US that rebuffed that. Wait for this topic to get stale once it gets more clear that Russia is the inevitable winner and the necons pivot to CHINA for the next "existential threat."
Because Mearsheimer is a joke.
@@wesluk2608 John Mearsheimer is a West Point graduate who served ten years in the Army, wrote six influential books and achieved the highest rank a professor can at the University of Chicago. He called this whole situation eight years ago in one of the most prescient lectures of the era. But WHADDAJOKEAMIRITE?!
@@brendanbeirne2 I should be more specific. He is a joke for people in Central and Eastern Europe.
Mearsheimer is a nutcase.
Radoslaw Sikorski 👏👏👏
These fellas are giving Americans bum advice. America started this war in Ukraine by supporting the Nationalist take-over of Kiev, and then promising to help them take Donbass from the majority of Russian speakers and sympathizers. This was an ominous step that Russia provided countermeasure for and watched closely. Eight years later, and 14 K people killed, Russia finally stepped in after recognizing the independence of Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts. They also eyed the large Ukrainian Army that was being assembled to take Donbass once and for all. Because the U.S. prevented a comprehensive security arrangement with Russia, now the intrepid Ukrainians will lose the majority of their landmass to Russia, which I'm sure the Russians will not bargain away. By rule of conquest, this will be done. So you see American quest for hegemony hurts those involved.
"America started this war in Ukraine by supporting the Nationalist take-over of Kiev" - because people cannot revolt against russian backed tyrant right? So if people go to streets they are nazi? Do you have any idea how many times eastern europe countries revolted against communist party between 45-89? An act of overthrowing it would be "nationalistic" right? We spent 2 generations on fighting with russian regime, yet people like you thinks there is no difference between west democracy and east dictatorship. Or you are just brainwashed troll.
STOP THE RUSSIAN AGRESSION !
STOP THE WAR CRIMES !
SLAVA 🇺🇦💙💛
@@ennediend2865 STOP NEO NAZIS in Ukraine!! WAR crimes have been committed by neo Nazis with support of western leaders. You are going to pretend that they don't exist??!! STOP American hegemony, SUPPORT FOR RUSSIA.
I think now the summer is here the Ukranians are going to start moving. The spring was just a retreat to defensible position. There is no sense in negotiating with Putin, he might be dead.
W koncu.😀Chociaż jeden polski polityk zrozumiał.Znaczy wiedzial od lat...teraz pracuje na wlasne nazwisko.
I haven't seen anyone explaining the real commercial and reason why this conflict sparked off but I can say now. What USA along with their alliens of NATO was just smothering Russia, Baltic Sea is shallow with many stone that makes impossible for fleets of cargo ship access that region, the Black Sea is the only way out for exportation for both Ukraine and Russia, the pipelines that cross Ukraine to supplying Europe would have blocked once NATO entered through Black Sea then they could also make the same they have done in Iraq that cowardly attacked intensively without giving chance to react by killing millions of innocents, entered into Lybia to conquer the ones were resistance to Kaddafi then killed him. Russia occupied the Black Sea and the region which give access to survive otherwise they would be blocked and could have had their pipeline clogged. Putin is more than right, Zelensky is a group of Oligarchies puppet, the Americans smile so as to distract while they backstabbing and the European have being submissive to Biden and disregading the disaster that may come to Europe due to lack of oil, gas as well as grains. In Europe the inflation may reach two digit this years, when the inflation is higher than the interest rate the currency collapse is unavoidable.
Gas pipelines from Russia to Europe will soon be history exactly thanks to Putin's attack on Ukraine. Putin has lost that war already. And don't worry about Europe, we have both reserves of gas for the next winter and plans for UE's energetic independence since 2023.
Let the war make decision, and i thing Rusia Will win the war soon or later
It is always a problem of money and for me it was not in our interest, which means of the western european population and american population, including in our alliance all the countries that came after the 1990s. I understand that maybe the inclusion was in their interest but I repeat, not in our interest!!!! Why did we include them? Because our military industrial complex does not care about the population and wants to expand their power at all costs! So what is the meaning of bringing in a polish politician?
I was born in a poor family and there was a rich family living close by. I wanted to be part of that family and for some reasons it may be possible. They discussed the matter and took a decision that was in their own interest; they didn't invite me in the discussion! Why do you invite the Polish? OK now everything is done and the Polish are part of the alliance, but for other countries you have to consider if the enlargement of the alliance is positive or negative for the existing partners.On the other hand if America is pushing the enlargement of NATO because it has different objectives, then Russia has the right to push back. Our politicians have chosen to go ahead with the enlargement of NATO and did nothing to avoid this war in a moment of big economic problems and high inflation. Yes they are trying to blame Putin for everything but, at least for me, it is clear which party has to be blamed the most next november!
Eastern Euroeans are free people, they are not Russia's slaves, sphere of influence or a buffer zone. USSR is gone and Russia is anything but super power.
@@Blanka1100 I don't know you, but when I go to buy something I always ask the cost and if it is too much I do not buy it! In this case it is the same, we would like to have Ukraine in NATO alliance but what is the cost? It looks to me that we have to pay an incredible amount of money to have you in NATO. We already spent around 50 billion of dollars and Europe and America have a big inflation and recession. So It is my opinion that to bring your Country into NATO is too expensive and we have to stop this war.
@@augustolori I am not Ukrainian and my country is a Nato member. As for the rest there are more important things in life than money. You know it if you live next to Russia.
I think Russia may accept Ukraine joining NATO, but the ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine will either become part of Russia or at the least be independent of Ukraine.
Russian speaking Ukrainians feel Ukrainians. Putin uses this "protect russian people" crap to justify his war and Hitler did exactly the same. Ukraine is not russia's backyard. Cold war era is long time over.
@@Blanka1100 wasn't it Ukraine who violated the Minsk agreement? I had even heard that Kiev forbade east Ukrainians from speaking Russian?
@@BobJohnson648 what? I'M from Donbass ,I never had anyone forcing me to speak Ukranian
@@HeadhuntexGamer just what is going on there?
Sad, but I tend not to trust the news here in the US.
with all respect and sympathy for mr. Sikorski his recently repeated argument “realists are wrong, otherwise Russia should be invading Finland and Sweden now” is a weak one. reason no. 1: Russian military capacity turned out to be an obvious joke, so it’s not possible for Putin to start any additional interventions any time soon. it doesn’t prove though, he wouldn’t want to if he had the capacity
@Jon Little we obviously discuss two different things here :-) my point is: the fact that Putin does not invade Finland these days, has an easy explanation and does not prove J. Mearsheimer - the so-called realist - wrong (what RS argues basically). yours is: Russia might become dangerous someday again, so it makes sense for Finland to join NATO. well, that does make perfect sense for me too.
@Jon Little :-))) the little god john has spoken. amen. :-)
"Russian military capacity turned out to be an obvious joke,"
you may have to reassess that once aorund 12k ukranian troops get encilced in severodonetsk in a couple of days and and many more thousands on kramatorsk in the next couple of weeks.
and russia doens't have to invade finland yet, so far turkey is saving finland by blocking them access.
I'd wait and see how the situation evolves.
@Jon Little "Russians been fighting that fight for a few weeks. Still hasn't happened."
main highways have been cut off, now it won't take much time to fully cut severodonestk from slupplies and to cut withdrawals. that's why I said a couple of day, but it might extend to a week.
"Sweden will end up having to "throw the Kurds under the bus", and sooner rather than later."
also why I said so far, but isn't a member of the pkk part of the swedish parliament? and what would be the legal framework to throw them under the bus?
that might give enough time to reality to set in that 'russia has a weak army' is propaganda when the ukranian army is fully defeated in a month or two and the economic realities of the sanctions begin to set in western europe.
@Jon Little no, russians keep pushing on the popasnaya salient, the slavians road is blocked at yampil.
the russians keep losing tanks trying to cross? how many more attempts have they made? you're not just buying the propaganda, now you're making more on your own...
they are going to get encircled, the should pull back while they still can, but elensky is a clown and he's going to sacrifice them to try to create martyr like in azovstal.
nato weapons are not going to make a difference, only a small fraction of the money to ukraine will be in weapons, it's just a scheme to take money without oversight. and the weapons that are given to ukraine will take time to train, and donbass doesn't have much time.
I doubt that russia has little resupply oportunities, they were preparing for this, if they resupply is handling the sanctions the same way their economy, then they shouldn't have any problems with it.
Mr Sikorski political career is ended in Poland after release of "Sowa" restaurant recordings and other mishaps over the years, so maybe Mrs Applebaum could use her connections to get him some advisory job at US government?
Don't worry, he's just fine.
Rado is living in a dreamworld where power is irrelevant.
@Jon Little you got it half right. It's the real world where morality is irrelevant. Russian missiles and tanks are not deterred by your pearl clutching about democracy. Denying this fact just serves to get a generation of young Ukrainian men killed on the altar of NATO expansion. The choice was between a neutral Ukraine that's intact vs. a neutral Ukraine that is wrecked. Your morality has led to the latter. Tell the mothers of dead soldiers that you stood by your selectively applied principles that are flexible enough to arm Nazis!
Sikorski, piesek salonowy globalistów.
Polską tragedią jest fakt że mamy cie tylko jednego 😉. Dobrze że jest jeszcze Giertych ale dalej...? Ciemność widzę ciemność
Ale się pan profesor zirytował, gdy dostał pstryczka w nos (about the talent lesson)😆
Radek na prezydenta!
I love Russia.
Okay