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Hey Chris! As I asked in the full episode: What about directly vaporizing dry cannabis herb with heat (not extracts), either from conduction or convection (so, no other chemicals involved, and without combustion: carbon dioxide)? It would be awesome if Andrew and you also talk about this route of administration. Perhaps in a quick video-call clip? 😉
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Maybe you guys shouldn't go outside, it's pretty scary out there. We wouldn't want you to breathe anything but pure oxygen. You know . . because you might just drop dead. Going to bed now with my carrot juice and a good ol' book.
Hi I vaped for the first time two weeks ago. Bought a vaping device , put liquid in that contained small amounts of nicotine. After vaping my throat started to feel sore. I then developed throat inflammation / infection, and with catarrh gathering in the throat. 2 weeks later i still have the throat soreness. Anyone know why that is and why it happened ? I didnt vape heavily
Quit vaping(MJ) and alcohol 3 months ago cold turkey, at 31yo, felt ashamed of doing damage to my one and only body, but enough is enough. Combined with regular exercise I have never felt better and have never slept better, it's amazing, like a another level of life unlocked.
How did you get over nicotine withdrawals? I’m a recovering alcoholic (3.5 years) and quit all drugs. I run an average of 8 miles a day. But I can’t quit vaping. I’ve tried several times but anytime I’ve tried, the withdrawals turn me into a raging asshole to the point where I almost can’t control it. The last time I tried it really screwed with my relationship. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I did the same a little over 2 months ago. Withdrawals are nothing. Almost entirely mental. Once you make a decision to quit and stick with the decision, only you can stop yourself. UPDATE: today marks 9 months without a cigarette. The hard part is getting yourself to make the leap and commit to quitting. It's all pretty easy from there. Nicotine leaves your body fairly quickly (3 days if I'm not mistaken), so after that, if you're having cravings, it's all mental and you're letting yourself succumb to a fantasy of desire. You don't need it. Just drop it. Live a life of freedom and health. You can do it!
@@Dapryor Should clarify, I was vaping weed on the regular, have never touched nicotine/cigarettes because at least for cigs they smell disgusting and there's rat poison in them, they just smell nasty. Glad I never got into nicotine it sounds like a hard addiction to overcome but you can do it, mind over matter!
I could remember few years back after my wife died, I was left alone with 3 kids. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Got addicted to cigarettes. Not until a friend recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment changed my life for better. I can proudly say i'm totally clean for 6 years and still counting. Always look to nature for solution to tough problems, Shrooms are phenomenal.
I love hearing great life changing stories like this. I want to become a mycologist because honestly mushrooms are the best form of medicine (most especially the psychedelic ones) There are so many people today used magic mushrooms to ween off of SSRI medication- its amazing! Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death buddy, lets be honest here.
Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? I'm really interested in treating my mental health without Rxs. I live in Australia don't know much about these. I'm so glad they helped you. I can't wait to get them too. Really need a reliable source 🙏
YES very sure of Predroavaro. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, BPD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
Thanks for sharing your story. That's rough I sympathize. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health. I will pray for you all.
Both my parents died from cancers caused by smoking.. I loved them dearly and took care of them until the end .. smoking took my best friends brings me to tears as I type .. lost them far too young ..
Sorry for your lost 😞 I pray your okay and that your able to recover the fact that you took care of them till the end speaks volumes of the kind of person you are God bless you melissa.
I am crying with you, I’m an addict and my parents don’t know. Lucky I don’t have kids or wife because I definitely have a lot of healing to do. You are strong to be able to live through such a loss and be able to move on. I’m so sad for people that lose family to soon
On my third attempt, I am now one month nicotine free today and no longer feel the weight of the addiction that is just a mind game and once I realized that, I became so embarrassed and felt disgusted with every cigarette I smoked. I know so many that switched to vaping and became more hooked. I feel the difference in my breathing, exercise is more enjoyable, my skin is clearer and my teeth are whiter. Every time I interact with a smoker/vaper or walk by one, I feel so proud. I did it.
Yep you’re right it’s all in your mind now. The physical addiction you beat so great job and don’t you dare go back! You made it this far and just think you added back at least 10+ years of your life you could have lost from that addiction. Stay strong !
Congrats brother. I just beat my addiction as well, 3 weeks smoke free(no nicotine replacement therapy either, nothing). I vaped heavily for a year, and actually stopped Vaping and smoked cigarettes for 3 months before I quit. Imo, Vaping is way more addictive then cigarettes. I tried quitting Vape cold Turkey and couldn’t bro. That’s why I used cigarettes to get off. Vaping in my opinion is worse for the brain, a lot worse than cigarettes. Heavily concentrated doses of nicotine is NOT good for the brain. I remember times after taking fat vapes thinking to myself, this is not good for my brain, I’m either permanently or temporarily damaging my mind. Luckily my addiction was only for 1 year, so I’m praying I didn’t cause any permanent damage to my brain. I don’t think I did, I’ve been clean for 3 weeks now and I feel back to my old self. Haven’t felt these levels of mental clarity and ambition in awhile and I’m so fckin happy. Vaping especially robbed me of my motivation and ambition, shits terrible. Again, I’m proud of you for quitting brother! It’s amazing to read others peoples comments who have quit and are experiencing the same benefits as me. Stay up fam
@@Stampedby__bonetti Congrats man, keep it up! I’m in a similar situation, over the last year I vaped for 5 months or so, then switched to Zyn for several months, then quit that and ended up back on vapes. Lol nicotine is vicious. I quit vaping a few weeks ago, quit drinking a month ago, have been using a sauna every day for the last few weeks, have been running and lifting too, and I feel better than I have in ages. I can breath easier and my resting heart rate has dropped comfortably into the 40’s. Nicotine is such a waste of money and it really does wear on you
With cigs I was a pretty light smoker, 3-5 per day. When I switched to vaping, I would draw on it all day long, never going more than 15 minutes or so without a few puffs. When I started going into the bathroom at work several times a day to get a hit, I felt ridiculous and knew it had to stop. Vaping is SO much more addictive because of its accessibility. When I quit I was completely blown away by how calm I felt, unaware of the constant state of anxiety that nicotine kept me in. Like I was back to being myself.
True. Before quitting vaping I was contemplating just going back to a few cigs a day. Kinda seemed like a healthier alternative to vaping every living hour of the day lol
I'm going through that exact same thing right now. Puffing a vape every 15 mins, go crazy without one. Ducking off to the toilets no matter where I am to get a puff, i's nasty shit
I started having genuine panic attacks. I finally linked it directly to vaping. I've been off them for 20 days today. I haven't had any anxiety or panic attacks since I quit. No more headaches too. Pretty insane I felt the addiction was worth more than how awful it made me feel
I replaced the cigarette smoking with another type of high, which in this case was cold/hot plunge. With the extra energy, I picked up running, which gave me another high. From there, I just starting cooking again for myself. It's all about keeping busy helping others the best you can. @@kyle6781
For those struggling with nicotine addiction, I haven't found a better way to kick it than to become obsessed with something that doesn't allow you to smoke. I used to smoke and vape. I got into jumping rope (boxer style) for fitness followed by long-distance running. Now, if I thought about bumming a smoke from a buddy, I know that my running the next morning-something that is normally a pleasurable experience-would be miserable. Sometimes, these things can provide just enough distance between craving and response to give us the space to make better decisions.
I had smoked for about 15 years, and switched to nicotine gum for about 5 years without ever being able to stop. I switched to vaping, and was able to gradually taper myself off of nicotine by mixing the juice myself, and after vaping flavored juice with no nicotine for a month I was able to quit entirely. You will also find that the British Health System relies on vaping to reduce and quit smoking.
I was a smoker for 16 years. Back in my late teens and early twenties. I was in the military. We ran Mondays,Wednesdays and Fridays. Between 2-10 miles depending on who was leading the troop. I was a heavy smoker 1-11/2 packs a day. I also ran with a chew of red man in my cheek. Still alive now 60+. I quit smoking and chewing in 93.
I quit vaping just days after I got back into collecting and selling Pokemon. Without even meaning to! Like you said, I found something else that can be "addictive" but in a beneficial way.
i quit vaping a few days ago. i used to smoke cigarettes and would never smoke a cigarette indoors but vaping, i would vape all day. i think the accessibility makes it worse than smoking cigarettes in the long run.
That really is the issue. I quit smoking years ago and was nicotine free for a time. But now that you can vape wherever, my body is addicted like it never was with cigarettes.
I had a vaping phase. At first, a friend has it so you end up trying it. You think nothing of it, but next thing you know you're buying your own. What makes it so terrible is how easy it is. Eventually, you're fidgeting to take another puff every 10 seconds. I quit because I hated myself for the habit.
I’ve been completely sober 262 days and counting. Quite honestly one of the best decisions of my entire life. Having a clear mind; a clear sense of one self there’s nothing like it. Depending on myself to take care of problems rather than relying on an escape that’ll just create more health problems later on it’s just not worth it.
That's good to hear! Congrats. I'm on day 17th and already loving myself more :) I'm just struggling with productivity... May that have happened to you as well? I hope I keep getting more and more productive each day as I relied on vapes and THC to study and work without feeling it was shit
It’s really about your intention, addiction is an attempt to escape some form of suffering, the best thing you can do is face your issues and suffering
From someone who smoked for well over 30 years here is my assessment. I was a heavy smoker, 2+ packs a day. I was at the point for probably a decade where my breathing was short, people knew when I was around by my cough and in the mornings i would cough 💩 up sometimes to the point of puking. I transitioned from smoking to vaping, I was a dual smoker/vaper for some time and eventually put the cigs away. For me, I can tell you I feel 100 times better, dont cough, not short of breath and just feel better overall. With that being said I dont know what the long term effects hold for my future. Ive been vaping now for about 3 years.
Same here bro. Started smoking at 16 and smoked a pack a day for 10 years. I think the biggest down side is that I feel more addicted to nicotine now but overall 100% better physically
All the young people I work around vape and I hear them coughing all the day year round. Don’t fool yourselves into believing it is any better for you then smoking
Almost 5 months clean from Cannabis, tobacco, caffeine and alcohol. I’m 25 & started cannabis with tobacco at 16. Quit everything cold turkey cause i had an elevated blood pressure and feel pretty safe to say that I will never go back to that lifestyle!
That must’ve been hell giving up all that at once. I had to ween off one by one slowly (besides caffeine I absolutely hate the way caffeine makes me feel)
28, I've been battling nicotine addiction with cigarettes but mostly vaping (juul, disposables) for over 14 years. I've quit for 8 months and then started vaping again for 4 months. I'm recently 90 days nicotine free again. It is such an evil battle that convinces me to indulge for a 4 second minor morning buzz that I chase the rest of the day which never comes due to the frequency in which I vape. What's crazy is that after extended periods of quitting it actually takes 'work' to get back into it because my body has healed so much. This last relapse was over a week of heavy coughing after each hit and not enjoying any part of it, yet I still continued and got addicted again. Thank you for this video
never related to anything more lol. The morning buzz that lasts for 5 seconds followed by puffing on it the rest of the day chasing the same feeling that will never come again until next morning
@@eduardosierraasame here, vaping for about 5 or 6 years on and off, 25 years old. Ive been off for about 2 months now, going to stay off for real this time!
@@vincentpernicano3277nicotine pouches like Velo really helped me quit for good. I used them for 3 months after quitting vaping and now I’m completely nicotine free for the past 6 months. Elite athletes (such as PL footballers) use them regularly and they’ve been used in Nordic countries for many years
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Does anyone know any good source to get them? I put so much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels, would love to give shrooms a try.
I started vaping casually like a year and a half ago, hitting coworkers vapes a bit while at work. That morphed into consistently hitting friends' vapes while they were around and that then morphed into me finally buying a disposable vape for the first time about 6 weeks ago or so. As of November 1st however, the sale of flavored vape products has been banned where I live and honestly I'm quite happy about it. I was set to keep on buying those disposables as long as they were available. I never had a history of smoking before I ever touched a vape besides a few cigarettes (and not counting weed).
I remember when they banned methanol cigarettes and honestly I was so annoyed but that turned out to be the best thing they did. I don’t think I could have stopped if they didn’t ban them
I was a social smoker for quite a few years and never once felt addicted. I’d only smoke when a drank a few throughout the night. I stopped for years. A few years ago I tried vaping and let me tell you it’s 100 times more addictive. I found myself wanting it ALL the time. Had to work really hard to quit and even now even I drink I want it.
Agreed. Over the years I’ve been a social smoker at times and never thought about going out to buy cigarettes on my own, but with vaping being so much more discreet it’s really easy for it to get its hooks in you. I never wanted to smell like cigarettes so I didn’t buy them, but I started buying vapes and just stepping into a restroom or around a corner to hit them everywhere I went. Once you quit for a while you realize how silly the addiction is, but man it really takes you for a ride
@@BeforeThisNovember for me because vaping doesn’t have all the unappealing factors of smoking actual cigarettes. I find cigarettes gross when I’m sober, they taste and smell bad. Vaping tastes and smells good so I found it much more tempting to vape more often. I’ve since cut it out all together.
@@x3lea866 I completely agree. I quit smoking for around 8 years and started again in lockdown (idiot). Not long after I replaced it with vaping and I’m still tryna quit that. Quitting cigs is way easier for reasons you said. And vaping you can just sit in your house hitting it none stop ..
Quit vaping cold turkey a month ago, I feel a literal veil off my eyes has been lifted, everything flows clearer in my mind and my performance in the gym is much increased. My libido as well has had a boost. To be honest, cigarettes felt less harmful… WAKE UP
Another reason podcasts can have the same guests and not lose views is because subject matters are more complex than a few minutes of discussion can cover, that people aren't as dumb as the media would have us believe. People have a genuine curiosty about everything and nuance is not lost on them.
Or maybe there are tens of millions of people who devour this kind of content, and a lot of dumb people. I'm a crossover: I'm dumb _and_ love this content :)
I always contributed smoking and vaping as a way to combat anxiety. You fiddling, the deep breathing thats a side effect of inhaling. Makes people feel good
something to consider: I vaped way more nicotine than I smoked. The detriment nicotine withdrawal had on my sleep - particularly with regards to sleep fragmentation or disruptions - was something I only realized when I switched to patches and kept them on at night. My sleep improved so much and was worse when I vaped vs smoking cigs. This week I went from a 7mg patch to 1mg a day of silver malboros. Definitely less healthy, but these companies don't make patches smaller and most are not cuttable (it's almost like they want you to stay addicted).
Exactly! If you want an accurate depiction of what nicotine addiction free sleep will be like, talk to your doc about getting patches, your insurance should cover it, I paid 0 for mine. Just try it once, you will be shocked and it was just heuristically create motivation to quit.@@jimirsayssponsor5844
@@FIshfood500same.. I don’t vape those salt nic gas station vapes, but I have a vape mod and vape 3mg nic juice, and my lungs, my sleep, everything feels fine 🤷🏻♂️
IMO vaping is invaluable only if use for quitting smoking … include quitting vaping a the end . I quite 16 years of smoking thanks to vaping. And I quite vaping after 2 years. That was 11 years ago Before that I had try everything without success. In the other end I think just replacing smoking by vaping on the Long run is not a good idea. It has to be a step helping for quitting.
I quit vaping one year agooo 🎉 because a loved ond convinced me to try. Ever since my health has been so good and tbh I don’t miss it. With every day that passes I just see more things that prove that vaping is very dangerous and bad for my health. You can do it!!! ☺️
Do you ever get cravings or miss it? If not, how long would you say it took for them to go away? I’m on day nine and the cravings the last two days have been worse than when I just started. Hope it’s not like this my whole life lol
@@beccamartin6270 heyyy! Not anymore. But at the beginning i had to get distance from my friends who kept vaping cause they weren't helping me. I craved it a lot for at least 1 month and from then I occasionally craved it but not as much. When you reach the 3M mark you won't miss it. You can do it!!
When are we gonna talk about how UA-cam and podcasts have effected our dopamine levels in the context of addiction. I’ve wasted hours watching podcasts on how to be “healthy” and “optimal”. I feel like it leads you down a toxic path of perfection that is unattainable. It seems like all of us have forgotten how to be present in the moment without optimizing every little thing.
Everything is bad if no moderation.. do your self a favor. Pick one day a week where you don’t use technology. Let your body reset. Go outside in the morning and go outside when the sun is setting. Delete ig, facebook and other nonsense brain rot social media. Use UA-cam with watch time warning to know you’re using the too much. I promise you’ll feel much better about your self. Hope this helps. Remember we get one life. Donte use it all on apps designed to steal away your time in life✊️⏳🙌💯
23 years old. Prob started around 17/18. Slowly quitting. Went cold turkey the first two days and used pouches (2 a day actually pretty helpful) now 10 hits a day for a week. Then -5 next week. Then cut to zero by the end of the month. I do like nicotine so I’ll end up using gum when I want it. Quitting is honestly not as bad as I thought. I think in the past I’ve failed cuz deep down I didn’t actually care to quit. But now i feel way more in control. So far so good on the journey. I wasn’t planning on doing it forever so it’s time. We got this 🤝
I'm honestly interested in seeing the citations for a number of his statements. I know a lot of the negative Health reports regarding vaping had to do with black market made THC vape cartridges w Vit E acetate. Quite a few people including myself use high quality ingredient and regulated nicotine juice. In general it sounds like he's referring to the worst of the worst and combining them all under one umbrella. I'm sure it's not great for health and if it's very minimal like the European Union study said then I'm fine with it for now
@RoRo-gn9pv harsh dude. I like seeing citations and learning. That's literally what my statement was about above. I've actually been tracking the studies that come out. And again, I don't claim that it improves health and in line with all the solid research I've seen so far especially if you rule out the vitamin E acetate the risks look to be very minimal, if thats the case Ill keep using. Especially if you're a person that uses quality and regulated juice.
ye but he was talking about chemicals crossing the blood brain barrier. This THC and Vit E thing is assosiacted with these things in your lung, and even if it does more damage, this should be the first thing mentioned imo, but he didnt. Still, leaving out Sucralose, Acetoin and colorant is already a great reduction in risk, so Im also curious what he was refering to exactly. And if you only vape the base+nicotin it should be basically harmless.
@@TheUnrider gave me the ick when he talked about "this and that crosses blood-brain barrier, introduces so many toxins into your body, etc. etc.". How about naming specifically what you are talking about? There's so many variables in vaping, that it's already hard enough to do studies (like 15W mouth-to-lung vs. 200W direct-to-lung as an example). Sounds more like fear-mongering to me instead of the usual factual research he's citing.
The only people who defend these smoking vaping habits and "I want specifics" are addicts. Whatever you want to tell yourself about "it's not that bad" it's your addiction speaking. At least most people know that it's really bad and just admit the can't quit because they're completely addicted and don't care about negatives. But then there's you bunch that just "give me details why it bad, or it means its totally justified cus I'm so smart because there's no proper studies YET".cigaretes were recommended by doctors even to children. So don't pretend to be some genius that you vape ATM
Smoked cigarettes for seven years. Been vaping for about four. The comparisons aren't even close. Cigarettes you could just see and feel how unhealthy they are. It's better not to do it and be dependent on it, sure, but anyone with actual long term experience smoking cigarettes in comparison knows it's not even close.
100% agree. I would only "recommend" vaping to people who just cannot seem to kick the cigs. It's obviously still not healthy, but I feel miles healthier and especially I can breathe better.
while i agree with how cigarettes “feel”, i started rolling my own with loose tobacco and for me, it’s better than both boxed cigs and vaping smoked a ‘normal’ cig a month after i switched to rolling and it felt like smoking 100% chemicals; vaping makes my mouth feel like it’s laced with metal self-rolled cigs take 1/3 of the time to smoke, don’t feel as nasty, and the whole process disincentivizes smoking. lmao so i’d argue that it’s a slightly better bridge between smoking and not smoking compared to vaping, but again that’s just my experience
Yep this is what annoys me. We are watching a legion of people who are NOT involved with this try to take down one of the most successful smoking cessation methods to EVER exist. A bunch of none smokers rubbing their fu cking nose in it. I smoked for over 10 years. Ive been on and off vaping for about 5 or 6 years now? The difference in my health is night and day. I can breathe. My cardios better. My gums arent rapidly receding anymore. I dont feel like shit all the time from THOUSANDS of chemicals from the combustion of carbon floating around my body. My throats not raspy. Im not coughing up tar. The list goes on. Its NIGHT AND DAY. And we are about to lose it to fu cking chinese vapes, propaganda and civilians being fu cking nosey. This whole thing is a grand display of the utter Lack of cognition happening on a communal scale. If we lose vaping to this i will spend the rest of my life jaded and cynical towards people. They are more than happy to take away your vices and hobbies while they sit on theirs. Its literally human nature. And If it does get banned. Guess who wins? Big Tobacco. Has anyone ever wondered how the importation of MILLIONS of *Illegal* Chinese vapes even makes it into the country in the first place? Bit weird that border patrol just closes up shop on those days dont you think? Nah no one thinks. Just braindead lobby against vaping because thats what the hivemind is doing atm.
Nothing beats addicts justifying the type of poison they can't quit. At least some of you admit they're idiots for starting to smoke. I have people around me who smoke their all lives and I despise it. Arguably the most common annoying disgusting thing in my life. And entirely come from other people and not myself.
that episode is extremely eye-opening, and I've seen tons of people cite it as the final nail in the coffin of their alcohol addiction. I haven't quit entirely, but I went from drinking more than a 6 pack every single day for many years, to having a beer or two with lunch 2 or 3 times a week, and that episode is what made me really reflect on what I was doing to myself and finally make some changes.
@@konkeydonged slow and incremental progress is far better than quitting instantly, atleast in terms of the chance of getting addicted again + the withdrawals
The only benefit I can see from my past nicotine addiction (cigarettes then vaping) is that I can now better detect when I'm becoming addicted to something. My phone, a certain behavior, the ability to get drawn into something with a net negative-these all feel like when I craved a cig or a rip on a vape pen. That doesn't mean I don't regret those years of addiction, but it is an interesting silver lining to years of bodily damage.
I've been vaping for maybe 15 years. I used to smoke 20 Lambert and Butlers a day and always had colds, coughs etc. I smoke the Vape 88 liquids and they seem fine to me honestly. When I switched from smoking to vaping my lungs cleared themselves out and I very rarely get ill now. Maybe once every 3 years or so. I can go months without exercise and get on a treadmill / out on the road and can run 5k without too much bother honestly. The fact is, like he said, we just don't know. No risk, no story I guess.
Yeah, I'm glad I realized how detrimental it was to my body. Vaped for 5 years and quit both vaping and alcohol when I was 23; I'm 27 now and trying to reverse all the senseless things I've done to my body with a horrible diet growing up, then vaping and drinking through college.
@@yegheieu I vaped for 5 years; had back to back bronchitis lasting roughly 6 months each, at one point I was coughing up a cup of green mucus from my lungs a day, if not more. I for sure have some lung scarring from vaping and the associated lung infections. And on top of that, my drinking habits were quite bad, I blacked out almost every time I drank.
Good job starting in your mid 20s. Most wait till their 30s and that's after everything really starts catching up with them and it's that much harder to reverse.
I had a 4 year kratom habit, daily. It stopped me stealing my stepdads meds, stopped me taking close to dangerous amounts of cocodamol. 4 years and when I quit I had little to no withdrawals. I quit once but read people's stories about quitting and withdrawals and experienced withdrawals from it that time but when I decided to quit and not put the possibility of placebo withdrawals it wasn't a problem at all. It should be legal globally.
what has struck me most is the amount of vaping people now do. They smoked far less cigarettes in comparison to how much people vape. I would be interested to see the data in several years down the line.
I was a heavy smoker for 32 years. I quit a few times, once for almost 5 years, and was miserable, I just never got over the “urge”. In 2009 I googled electric cigarettes and surprisingly, there was such a thing so I ordered one. I’ve been vaping now for 14 years and it has drastically improved my life compared to smoking. Almost immediately I could go up and down the stairs, and play basketball and ride a bike without being out of breath. I get unflavored with a low nicotine content. The nicotine “hit” is nice but for me it’s always been more about the ritual of holding it and puffing the “smoke”. I wish I’d never smoked but I did and at my age I’m going to continue vaping.
I have enjoyed nicotine for the last 2 years but watching this vid and hearing 'blood brain barrier' 3 weeks ago drew an absolute line in the sand for me. I was not a heavy user but was an every day user. I dealt with mood issues and headaches for the first 2 days after quitting but then was golden. I use sunflower seeds to fulfill the oral fixation. Also, cut back on tequila shots from 10-15 per week (2-3 days) to a max of 5 in a week (1 day). Feeling great!
Oh I should mention what I did when I quit to help me stay with it. That is I constantly was looking at the timeline each week of how your health improves over a few days or weeks or months after smoking. I mean I literally looked at it all the time. I ended up having to stay really busy. Shoveling snow for hours. Sleeping more. But I did whatever I could to stop smoking. I also thought if my sister who was more addicted then me could quit I could too. And it is really truly worth it!!! I smoked for 16 years before quitting.
I went 11 months and never felt better, however alcohol can be a slippery slope, especially if your surrounded by smokers/vapers. I relapse after my first drinking session, there’s something about vaping while drinking that makes me feel on top of the world. Of course that never ends well. Work stress caused me to relapse a second time, I need to find other ways to cope with stress
I smoked for 43 years. I quit almost 5 years ago using vaping for maybe 6 months. Started forgetting it at home. Figured it was time to say no. Replacing nicotine never helped me quit. When I feel I must try one again, I do. I take one draw and think to myself yuck! How did I ever smoke this. I honestly don’t think nicotine is what I was ever addicted to. I grab a vape as well only when I’m under major stress. Then I put it down and no withdrawal ever.
I am in the process of quit vaping is so hard I had 1 day and a half and I came back for one day and now I am on track again, is so hard is because of my believes about smoking I have to brake my believes that this is cool because it is not at all !! Thanks for this podcasts !
This is not a very informative discussion. Some people vape cannabis and some people vape nicotine. And there are countless different vape strengths and flavours available, which all contain different blends of ingredients and chemicals and different amounts of nicotine and cannabis.. You can also vape flavourless juice containing only glycerine and nicotine, which I do.
I started smoking when I was 13 and started vaping a year ago at 44. I feel so much better vaping and I can actually take deep breaths now. People may say vaping is bad but as someone who smoked for most of their life and then vaping, vaping is such a better option health wise for Me.
I quit vaping and am now on a lower mg nicotine gum. The amount of nicotine you intake with a vape is much more than most realize as people puff on it all day long. I know I would when I vaped. Since quitting, my anxiety has also improved
@@nightcoreamv6462 the vaping device itself can be harmful to your lungs by exposing them to metal, since nearly all vaporizers for nicotine contain conductive heating. So it isn't just the juice to worry about. BTW, I'm not condemning anything, just trying to provide helpful info
same for me, I've been vaping for 5 years after 7 years of cigarrettes and now I use 2mg nicotine gum. The irony of using one nicotine substitute against another
I like how Andrew talks about the negatives to vaping scientifically rather than these "Quit vaping" commercials that don't even explain why they just try to make trendy videos with younger people telling you to stop. Thank you Andrew for the knowledge and Chris for hosting a great podcast.
I’m not trying to say vaping is safe but I have done fairly heavily for years and get up at 4am 5 times a week and run 3 miles with no real issues so far.
I quit vaping because of Doc Hubermans nicotine episode. Thanks Doc, totally worth the three weeks of crawling out of my own skin to be free of that garbage.
@@tylerdrymanit took myself 2 weeks, a little less than 2 actually. Im guessing Carolyn probably wasn’t smoking that long and that’s why it only took her 3 weeks. Like myself, I smoked for 1 year only. So I think that’s why my withdrawal was so short which I’m happy about tbh. It’s great being smoke free, now feeling normal again I realize how much of my mind smoking was occupying. I can use all my attention and mind on things that actually matter in my life, goals and such. Smoking greatly hindered that so much, basically made me a zombie shit sucked.
@@Stampedby__bonettithanks for sharing. Ive been vaping for about 5 years unfortunately, got caught up in it early in high school. I think im going to make a run trying to stop but im worried about me getting right back into it, even if i was able to quit for a few weeks
Oh no bro they're totally in control. They have this addiction by the balls. They're such strong and brave people for choosing vape over cigaretes. Modern day knights.
I have fainted multiple times since I started vaping and I am constantly nauseous, tired, anxious and depressed. Despite all of this, quitting was not an option for me. It is my crutch and my vice. I wasn’t ready to quit, however I have finally arrived at a place where I am committed to quitting. Currently going through withdrawals and wanting to vape is consuming my mind. Hoping it subsides soon. Pray for me lol
your probaly smoking a shit ton of nicrotine then, im vaping 0 nicotine and im never addicted to it, ive even went entire 2 years without vaping on nicotine
That's what I find strange. Even cigarettes don't make me tired but vaping for a few days like I tried a couple of times makes me slow, tired, sleepy, low bp...
My uncle was a heavy smoker (2 packs a day). Life had been very hard towards him, being deeply in love his kids mom. After being seperated, she took all what he owned and he still supplied her. For years, he used to live a very lonely life and my dad supported him with money, his children only visiting him when they needed money, and he didnt have enough to feed himself but still gave them all what he had on him. Once his brother went to visit him, knocking on the door, left without answer, he panicked. After they opened the door, they found peacifully dead as little child on the couch, beside him his cigarette cup. I did not have a relation to him, but he broke my heart and i had an unconditional love to him. I cried for days. Me he rest in peace.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother Perhaps on this one singular issue, yes. I think I can forgive him for not being on the cutting edge of vape science. There's really not a ton of studies to go on especially not in North America. The Royal College of Physicians conducted a 10 year double blind study claiming freebase vaping was 99.5% safer than cigarettes, but it really doesn't matter much. Most ways to access freebase nicotine vaping (making juice to order on location, building coils by hand with materials known to be safe and not covered in chemicals) were made explicitly illegal because of the teen vaping scare. Juul really did ruin it for everyone.
I didn't get anything from this. There were no specifics regarding what exactly in vaping would cause any harm. Also, it sounds like Huberman assumed vaping meant vaping marijuana. I'm usually a fan of him, but he was all over the place with this one.
So do I. Keep in mind it takes about 20 years on average for the first signs of damage to become obvious. I didn't say it takes 20 years of nicotine use to damage you, only to do enough damage to start being visible. Vapes have been around for decades but got the first patent in 2003 and only started being generally used a few years after that so we're on the cusp of those key 2 decades. And realistically even 20 years is still the beginning, you start seeing the damage exponentially with time with way more at 30 and 40 years. This sounds like a long time but if you start vaping in your teens its just enough to cut your life short. Remember tobacco users lose about 10-25 years of life expectancy with their decade or so often marked by illnesses caused by their vice. Realize that studies have already shown emphysematous changes to the lifetime vapers' only lungs even if they never smoked. Obviously nicotine toasts your circulation with the primary cause of death and disease in this drug's users not being cancer, but cardiovascular and it isn't the tars either because pipe, cigar and oral/smokeless tobacco users (which receive greater dosages of this pesticide) having a greater degree of circulatory death and disease. They lie and say "NICOTINE HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO CAUSE CANCER" but the most potent carcinogens in tobacco (or any nicotine product for that matter) are tobacco specific nitrosamines which come about as a byproduct of nicotine degradation just sitting there. So any form of nicotine is loaded with this deadly poison as well including the patches and gum. Therefore your anecdotal feeling is just because we're not yet noticing and tying 2 and 2 together but based on what we already know about nicotine itself and the dynamics of introducing this poison in your body it is extremely likely in the coming 3-5 years there will be some big studies coming out about the harms of vaping as well..
@@Pablophd1965 if we are expecting to see the same or similar effects as tobacco, i do not think we will see much. I want to know which chemical in vape liquid is the culprit and some further details.
@@Pablophd1965oh you're such a smart fu*king parrot! If they had instruments back then to check they wouldn't have to wait for the "yet" with cigarettes. Also the humanity wasn't as weak as today's so negatives were slower or none. Right now you can check how vaping is affecting you and you can feel it. No need for 2030s scientists to tell you.
I would really love for content creators around these topics to make a unbiased talk about the effects of, for example vaping, but also give an explanation about how our body handles these substances, and how it rebounds post usage. So much of the content is "this is bad because I say so and I have this degree/phd/title so you should believe me" Im not saying Andrew Huberman isn't far more qualified than myself to make judgements on topics such as nicotine vaping, but all I heard here was "we are inhaling these chemicals into our lungs" yet everyone whos been taught anything about cigarette smoking is is the timeline of how our bodies repair after quitting. Our bodies have the ability to repair themselves, but that point is often over looked. Taking one hit isn't doing permanent, irreversible damage. Smoking weed isn't doing that either. Abusing any substance, or abusing anything (video games) is inherently bad, but simply saying "this is bad" and not properly educating people on why its bad and where the effects are felt the most, and how to go about managing them or using in moderation is simply unproductive.
Totally agree......trying to "educate" or "motivate" people courtesy of one's academic authority (or hubris) is tantamount to how religious priests and clerics behave. I.E "You should refrain from this thing because somebody smarter and more powerful than you (god, Jesus, Allah etc) .....doesn't LIKE this habit and considers it a sin...." These kind of invocations mean JACK to sooo many people because they remove authority, ownership and responsibility from the individual and instead try to employ a kind of "second hand" sense of obligation which not only doesn't work....it (quite rightly) makes many people rebel against this kind of "motivational" model.....because deep down, they KNOW it's just one big croc of sh*t.....even if the advice being given is wise and sound. People MUST be treated as having personal ownership before you try to motivate them, and if you try to "cheat code" that.....well.....good luck reaching your target audience!!
Well said! No one is going to be convinced to give up all their vices for the sake of health, because there is so much anecdotal evidence of people using certain substances, and living healthy lives (on the more mild side of substances) and even people who abuse harder substances, get clean, and live healthy lives. Keep the "this is what this substance does to your body" but follow up with "this is how our body fights its and how it can be managed/balanced/reversed." @@donnietobasco9791
I 100% agree with your point here Chris, vaping is probably less harmful that cigs. But overall, i would guess there are millions of people, if not ten million, that would never smoke cigs. But they vape all day every day because the experience is so much more pleasant. Starting with the fruity and customizable flavors that make it approachable for any palate, no matter how young. The removable of the social stigma, from both the god awful smell but also vapes are seen as trendy gadgets now.
I have a good female friend. She has been trying for 4 years to have kids. Recently she went through a series of doctors and it turns out she can not have kids anymore. Her eggs and hormones went poof a couple of years ago at around the age of 32. Smoking was probably a major factor. She is completely devastated and depressed because of it. I always told her that her smoking is stupid. Sadly, I was right. Learn from her mistake.
Vaping is a great tool for quitting cigarettes that should then be withdrawn through gum/pouches then nothing. I completed this process myself and have been nicotine-free for 6 months. What’s poor is to see people who never smoked a cigarette starting vaping largely due to targeted marketing.
You can transition to no nicotine vape juice too. I use unflavored with very low nicotine. I was vaping no nicotine for two years but when I traveled out of state I couldn’t get it without nicotine. (That was in 2011 so options were limited back then).
What about the local vape juice’s with only propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and food grade flavoring? It sounds like you guys are talking about the gas station stuff that doesn’t even list the ingredients.
This. Had a meeting a few months ago in the cardiology dept. (I work in the healthcare field). That was the exact topic of discussion, unregulated devices/juices from gas stations and other locations.
Wrong. The best way to quit cigarettes is to read a book by Allen Carr called “Easyway to Quit Smoking”. It’s $15 which is cheaper than vaping, and there is no willpower involved.
@@PBNIP I AM fried. I’m also a non-smoker now because I read the book. I read his quit drinking alcohol book 10 years ago and haven’t had a drink since. Do you have a better way to quit stupid addictions?
@@coopj250 correct, but the book costs like $12. The price of 2 packs of cigarettes. If it doesn’t work, you’re out $12. If it does work, you saved $12 in 1 or 2 days just by not having to buy cigarettes. Other methods are a lot more expensive, and none have a better success rate. If your car engine was making a noise, wouldn’t you take a chance on a $5 bottle of oil additive before taking it to a mechanic and replacing the engine?
Every time I see professionals having this discussion they don't mention one huge element that differs between vaping and smoking that I have observed with my friends (ages ranging 18-36), and that is the frequency of use. With vaping, due to the lack of stinky smoke, people will be ripping constantly throughout the day. I had one girl tell me about an ex boyfriend who would reach for his vape in the middle of the night and hit it with his eyes still closed. If you compare this with the natural barriers that come with smoking (the need to go outside if you don't want your house to smell terrible, the need to out on shoes/clothes to go outside, etc.) then you find that there are a lot of casual smokers that might only be smoking a few cigarettes a week, usually at night on the weekend when they're out with people. I have been surprised by how many people who smoke are not chain smokers like I was led to belief growing up, and that there is a huge range in people who partake in cigarette smoking, whereas everyone I know who buys vapes will be vaping very frequently throughout the day. I don't think it is accurate to refer to it as "smoking vs vaping" because they always talk about smokers as people smoking a pack a day, which I think is something more common in older generations. Living in LA I've observed groups of actors, dancers, models in their mid to late thirties, and they don't vape, they will smoke like 3-4 cigarettes a day max on days that they spend hanging out by the pool with their friends. That's just their vibe. I hope that these older researchers spend more time understanding how these drugs are being used in different populations instead of only studying what it does to the body.
Never touched opiates but I am heavily dependent on Kratom. It’s my own fault and I knew the risks, I did it anyway. I can’t sleep without it, I need it every 8 hours and the withdrawls while not as horrific as heroin are definitely really unpleasant. I’ll be quitting at the end of the year not because I want to but because I have no choice. That said it’s such a great time, I feel really fantastic on it even at the same dose I’ve been taking for over 3 years now.
Im a vaper and have been for a long time there are many different reasons why but not only do I like doing it but I like collecting vaping gear. I'm glad I switched but I also know that not doing anything is by far better for you. But here I am .
quitting cigarettes was the hardest thing I've ever done but i would not of been able to do it without vaping and now this year am vape free also there is an good reason to use these
I am convinced vaping effects female sexual health. As someone who quit smoking cigs and switched to vaping, I saw a tremendous change in my hormones. I was no longer interested in sex, I felt very depressed, anxious and overall mentally unwell. I have now quit vaping all together (not going back!) and find myself feeling more in tune with with body on a variety of levels. Needless to say, vaping is dangerous. There are not enough studies put out there for people, mostly young adults, to know what they are actually doing to their bodies and it's terrifying. If you are a woman who is vaping, may this resonate with you. Some of your ailments might dwindle once you stop injesting unknown chemicals mixed with highly addictive nicotine.
I smoked for roughly 9 years. Then started vaping and never ever touched a cig again for 7 years and counting. Vaping changed my life. I used to wake up feeling i had slept with a brick over my chest and coughing randomly at any moment during the day (12/15 cigs per day). A while after a started vaping i realized i was gaining performance surges in sports, even nowdays i row and run at professional athlets rates. None of this would have been possibile while smoking cigs and hell i tried both gum and patches to quit even the throat spray wasn't working. I still vape nicotine free liquids today and still enjoy it. As much as i would never want anybody to smoke in their lives, first hand experience of years i need no study to realize how it changed my life to the positive and the life of many ex smokers with me. With no data and no source at hand, but still condamning vaping he sounds like the guy who used to say fire was evil in the stone age. This is his opinion which is even less valuable since he has no direct experience, with all due respect to his academic achievements. Regards
There is a very reliable study I think In the UK that has definitely already proved vaping to be 95% safer so idk what Andrew is talking about it's pretty obvious and the study is pretty much a fact there's no debating it
Just cause you chose the lesser of two evils doesn’t mean you’re making the best choice. That’s like quitting drinking for weed. Yes, on one hand it’s better but on the other it’s even better to not do it all. Think of the blood brain barrier he talks about. There’s no recovering from that. Food for thought.
@@am3818 It is indeed the lesser of the two evils. Think of the hundreds of proven toxic and cancerous chemicals you have in a cig and, yes, compare the two. If you're talking to a person who never smoked you'd rightly advise stay away from everything, but when it comes to deal with a person who smoked for 10 20 30 years you have to deal with a hugely strong habit (even social) and cravings, in which case the lesser of the two evils with a long term plan for quitting completely while reducing nicotine is indeed optimal in my opinion. The very fact that vaping lets you recover the sense of smell, with no breathing issues while doing sports and never coughing i'd say it's a good start.
@@Gavlan8824 I'm sorry, but inhaling flavoured vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and sucralose for no other reason than that you enjoy blowing out clouds of vapor is something only a goober would do. At least using it for marginally/possibly healthier method of ingesting nicotine makes some kind of sense.
@@jessejohnson9514 your comment shows how you never smoked a day in your life and that's why you see this as goober stuff, i wish i could say the same. Quitting is a journey that takes years, the nicotine free part is supposed to be time right before you drop everything. It works because it answers the "gesture" need a smoker still has. Once again had you smoked for years you'd certainly know it.
I’m 7 days clean of vaping. Never smoked before. Picked it up 2 years ago when I was 32. Can’t believe how addicted I am/was. The physical comedown has gone but the mental side effects will be here for a long time
Im really happy i was able to quit smoking right before vaping became common place ('09). I may not have been able to stop if i transitioned to vaping.
Smoked cigarettes from the age of 15-23. Started vaping recreationally at 31, quit within a year. Currently 33. The nicotine withdrawals were so much worse coming off vaping. Can also confidently say that the improvement in my health both mentally and physically was more drastic when I quit vaping as opposed to when I quit cigarettes. Granted the time age difference and what not might have influenced that though.
Me smoking weed helps me with my ptsd, epilepsy, and general anxiety. It beats taking a pill. If I have to take my emergency Ativan it takes me out for two days. I cannot train the next day, I’m too tired and groggy from the pills. I vape flower weed (that means it’s just weed, nothing else. Just ground weed) . I don’t use any thc oils or anything like that. My vaporizer is over 1 grand. It’s the best on the market
One study that almost never gets talked about is the HEAT from vaping has the similar damage as smoking. You are putting hot air into your lungs which are pillow soft tissue. This in long due time has negative effects, Any one thats been to a Suana has felt this pain of breathing in hot air for to long, thus why we don't stay in one for an hour, well one of many reasons But ether way vaping could just be flavored water as many here use, still has negative effects and honestly looks stupid.. "OOHHH wait for me guys i gotta charge my Vape...." Dork
Smoked 8 years, switched to vaping with a vapresso stick. Slowly reduced nicotine mg with it's juices. Lost it one day, never looked back. Has been 2 years and 4 months without smoke, 1 year and 8 months without nicotine. I personally truly believe the right vape and the lean-off technique for nicotine works great for those who do smoke cigarettes and is an amazing tool to kick the habit. I felt worse smoking than vaping, to include shortness of breath, a need to always catch a breath, constant heart palpations, and sleeping problems. When I was vaping those symptoms slowly started going away. I reached a point where I wasn't even intaking nicotine vape juice, it was just nicotine-free. After that, I didn't get the cravings or urges, lost it in a club, and forgot about it. I believe we should be careful not to let people think they are better off just sticking with smoking cause that's just a flat-out lie. It won't benefit you a "tad bit" to switch to vaping if you do smoke, it will benefit you tremendously. You can always look up a vaporizer where you put your own juices and do research on the type of juice you want and use it. Some companies offer different levels of nicotine dosage all the way to 0mg (nicotine free) to help lean off the chemical Of course if you do neither, don't pick it up. But in reality, you can control your nicotine intake in vaping, it's a great tool for quitting, and it's far far better for your health than smoking can ever be. Cheers.
I smoked a pack and a half a day for 20 years tried quitting for 15 years of that. Switched to vaping and within a year I weaned down to zero nicotine then dropped it altogether. Vaping is a wonderful tool for quitting nicotine, any other use is ridiculous.
I smoked cigarettes for 12 years , vaped for 2 years after the cigarettes. In those 2 years of vape, my lungs have never been so bad. I run way less then when I smoked cigarettes and honestly feel way worse then cigarettes. I used to be able to run 2 miles straight when smoked 12 years of cigarettes. Now I’m barely at 1 mile after I switch to a vape.
It seems Andrew has a personal grudge with vaping and seems to be more based on his emotions, than science. He keeps saying it is so bad, but never really gets to why. The lung damage it caused in US teens were due to illicit vapes with vitamin E. The only shown carcinogen in vaping is formaldehyde but it comes in quantities of 1/100 of that of smoking and only if your vape is burning at a too high temperature. For reference, here is an article from Uk Cancer Research, essentially concluding that it is not cancerous. Other studies I've seen put its health impact at around 5% of that of smoking. Personally, my suspicion is that he has children in the "vaping age" and would rather be safe than sorry.
For anybody who wants to quit vaping or cigarettes, buy a book called Allen Carrs Easyway to Quit Smoking. (It works for vaping, too.) It’s only like $15, and you don’t have to try to stop or even cut back on your smoking while reading the book. Matter of fact, it’s one of the rules in the book: “do not try to quit or cut down while reading the book. Smoke as you normally do” And the great thing about the book is if you decide you don’t want to quit smoking, you don’t have to. So, there is no pressure. And the book costs the same as 2 packs of cigarettes (that was 1 day of smoking for me) so you really aren’t losing a whole lot if you decide to continue to smoke.
I was an insomniac who suffered tremendously until I started vaping cannabis … hated, taking benzodiazepines as they become less effective overtime. Tried the Huberman sleep cocktail, but it did nothing for me. When you’re a neurodivergent person, our brains do not work like everybody else’s. We are ADHD, or Asperger’s or autistic and we’re not stupid because we work at places like Google and Meta. There is a tremendous amount of us in information technology who cannot sleep well.
And why do you believe the solution is yet another substance? That’s the easy patch or the easy solution. Probably the solution is in the cognitive/ subconscious level and not at all at the physical level.
I quite smoking by going to vaping then quitting that. Vaping did not really do it for me. To much hassle with oil, electricity, break downs and it just never really satisfied me. But it did remove the edge from quitting smoking. I feel that you are doing more harm then good with this video
I would like Andrew to list all of those toxins from vaping. I ask because vape juice has 4 ingredients: VG, PG, nicotine and flavors. These toxins must be in the flavoring agents and they vary from flavor to flavor. Therefore, there could be a way of reducing harm by looking at those.
I used to smoke started at like 14 years old. Quit twice both times for a year each time. Picked it up again. Started Vapeing about 4 years ago and i gotta say its the one thing that i know will keep me away from cigarettes. I vape 3 percent Nicotine. And it does the trick. I also stopped eating fast food, eat raw veggies everyday and fruit most mornings. And as a overall health change. Am more healthy. And i stopped drinking soda as well. Just my 2 cents
If you are trying quit smoking cigarettes, I highly recommend reading/listening to Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking. It makes quitting enjoyable. Don't take my word for it though, just try it.
I a big fan of Kratom (in moderation) at the same time I am really curious to hear what Andrew has to say when he delves deep into the subject. Much respect to this man 💯
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a smoker and I’m actively trying to quit…. But the amount of people I know (who would never ever have smoked) who are immensely addicted to vaping is terrifying. The amount they ingest is also absurd. I could never invest the same amount of nicotine via traditional (analogue/acoustic) smoking. I’d have to be smoking non-stop to even get close to that amount of nicotine.
Wasn’t there a research that supports vaping is 95% less dangerous then cigarettes. I don’t know how you view injecting nicotine as being more healthy than vaping.
Nicotine as a substance has never been specifically bad (or good). It has its own advantageous and deleterious effects depending on why you use it. The main difference between smoking and vaping as nicotine delivery systems is you are simply swapping one cluster of toxic chemicals and additives for another, less understood and potentially just as (if not more) harmful cocktail of chemicals. Injecting pure nicotine could be reasoned to be better by someone in need of their fix. Vaping is far more addictive than smoking for me, not just for ease of use, but you get massive concentrations of nicotine instantly. Regardless, nicotine or any sort of self-"medication" belies a deeper indication of poor health, whether it be physical, mental, or spiritual.
No there weren't. That's just marketing. They say it's better because it's not smoking, but it basically is smoking anyway. Burning anything is gonna produce shitloads of nasty chemicals. Injecting pure nicotine would get you nicotine without coating your lungs with freaky synthetic oil smoke. Nicotine itself isn't so dangerous compared to all the other chemicals that most people take in by smoking or vaping
The nicotine in vape fluid comes from nightshade plants such as eggplant and potatoes. Also if one is using a quality device with temperature sensing capabilities from pure nickel (ni200) or Stainless Steel (SS) wired coil than carcinogens such as formaldehyde are not created as one isn't bunting their juice over 200c which is the point in which such toxins are created. I've been vaping since Feb 2014 and feel so much healthier than when I was smoking traditional cigarettes.
I haven’t listened to the full podcast, but do they actually talk about why smokers smoke? I often find that people who have consciously wrestled with the risks and stigmas of smoking, continue to do so for all sorts of unique reasons. Maybe it’s the nicotine coursing through their veins, but still fascinating and even inspiring at times. A big middle finger to “optimization”
To me it seems in most people's cases, it's not them actively rejecting "optimization" of themselves as humans. Its more the lack of will, or the giving in to our animalistic behaviors, its depression, deep unhappiness with life. Or maybe im revealing my own psychology a bit
There are lot of lies smokers tell themselves about why they keep smoking. A lot of it is just the addiction talking. We can create some pretty compelling fiction if it keeps the monkey fed. That said, I've been addicted to cigarettes, vapes, and gum at different times in my life. Gum and vapes were only every about the nicotine. But there is something else with cigs. I've never fantasized about having a gum and a whiskey around a campfire, nor a puff on the vape at sunrise with a hot coffee. But both of those will probably always sound enjoyable to me with a cig.
Vuse pod- 5 total ingredients with 1 being considered halfway harmful. Also 1/6 the amount of nicotine that's in a pack of cigarettes. 1 cigarette- 7,000 chemicals with 250 being considered very harmful. I'm no expert but it seems vaping is far more healthy than cigarettes and can be a great alternative for people trying to quit the cigarettes entirely.
All the snus pouches contain maltitol and other additives, vaping VG and PG can dry the lungs as its hygroscopic, and patches cost an absolute fortune. We need a consumer viable, cost effective nicotine administration method for those who want to use nicotine. Also surprised Andrew hasnt spoken about tobaccos MAOI's and its influence on nicotine metabolism. Would like to hear his opinion on this. Perhaps harmala hcl and nicotine salts combined would be the closest comparison to tobacco use..
“We need a consumer viable, cost effective nicotine administration method for those who want to use nicotine.” You and I must have very different definitions of the term “need.”
There’s a lot of good relatively inexpensive nicotine gum, and the pharmacy grade stop-smoking aide gums are a bit spendy but don’t have any added chemicals except for flavoring that I’m aware of!
We have one. Disposable vapes. Chinese vapes have RUINED the public perception and it amazes me that none of you can see it. Vaping saved lives from smoking for years. Suddenly Chinese vapes hit the market and everything goes to shit. This whole thing is a display of the utter lack of cognition happening on a communal level. And guess who wins at the end of this. Tobacco companies. So good job guys. You're being played like a fiddle.
Just checked the Swedish snus I order in and it does not contain maltitol. From my understanding, Swedish snus has had extensive research done on it and found no real increase in cancer rate over the general population. If you are going to use it, just order direct from Sweden.
I smoke cigarettes, on and off. I've currently quit for the year but I still find a pack every few months eleviates stress and "gives me something to do". I quit cold turkey, and borrowing a vape from someone for 2 days really helps with the irritable mood. My mother and sister went directly to vaping full-time after smoking and they have no intentions on stopping. They constantly are telling me to try it when the topic comes up. I never ever want to pick up that habit. There is something sickly about inhaling the goopy oils, and I do NOT trust companies to sell a safe product. I am really worried what the future implication of this new drug will be. I will stick to coughing up stinky dark tar because I know people have been doing it for decades.
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Hey Chris! As I asked in the full episode: What about directly vaporizing dry cannabis herb with heat (not extracts), either from conduction or convection (so, no other chemicals involved, and without combustion: carbon dioxide)? It would be awesome if Andrew and you also talk about this route of administration. Perhaps in a quick video-call clip? 😉
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@@v1kt0u5 there are 2 trillion articles saying its safer method
Maybe you guys shouldn't go outside, it's pretty scary out there. We wouldn't want you to breathe anything but pure oxygen.
You know . . because you might just drop dead.
Going to bed now with my carrot juice and a good ol' book.
Hi
I vaped for the first time two weeks ago. Bought a vaping device , put liquid in that contained small amounts of nicotine.
After vaping my throat started to feel sore. I then developed throat inflammation / infection, and with catarrh gathering in the throat. 2 weeks later i still have the throat soreness.
Anyone know why that is and why it happened ? I didnt vape heavily
Quit vaping(MJ) and alcohol 3 months ago cold turkey, at 31yo, felt ashamed of doing damage to my one and only body, but enough is enough. Combined with regular exercise I have never felt better and have never slept better, it's amazing, like a another level of life unlocked.
How did you get over nicotine withdrawals? I’m a recovering alcoholic (3.5 years) and quit all drugs. I run an average of 8 miles a day. But I can’t quit vaping. I’ve tried several times but anytime I’ve tried, the withdrawals turn me into a raging asshole to the point where I almost can’t control it. The last time I tried it really screwed with my relationship. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I did the same a little over 2 months ago. Withdrawals are nothing. Almost entirely mental. Once you make a decision to quit and stick with the decision, only you can stop yourself.
UPDATE: today marks 9 months without a cigarette. The hard part is getting yourself to make the leap and commit to quitting. It's all pretty easy from there. Nicotine leaves your body fairly quickly (3 days if I'm not mistaken), so after that, if you're having cravings, it's all mental and you're letting yourself succumb to a fantasy of desire. You don't need it. Just drop it. Live a life of freedom and health. You can do it!
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@@Dapryor Should clarify, I was vaping weed on the regular, have never touched nicotine/cigarettes because at least for cigs they smell disgusting and there's rat poison in them, they just smell nasty. Glad I never got into nicotine it sounds like a hard addiction to overcome but you can do it, mind over matter!
@@Dapryorid recommend using zyn pouches. You’ll stay addicted but its a completely safe and honestly enjoyable way to consume nicotine
I could remember few years back after my wife died, I was left alone with 3 kids. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Got addicted to cigarettes. Not until a friend recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment changed my life for better. I can proudly say i'm totally clean for 6 years and still counting. Always look to nature for solution to tough problems, Shrooms are phenomenal.
I love hearing great life changing stories like this. I want to become a mycologist because honestly mushrooms are the best form of medicine (most especially the psychedelic ones) There are so many people today used magic mushrooms to ween off of SSRI medication- its amazing! Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death buddy, lets be honest here.
Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? I'm really interested in treating my mental health without Rxs. I live in Australia don't know much about these. I'm so glad they helped you. I can't wait to get them too. Really need a reliable source 🙏
YES very sure of Predroavaro. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, BPD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
Thanks for sharing your story. That's rough I sympathize. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health. I will pray for you all.
How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta
Both my parents died from cancers caused by smoking.. I loved them dearly and took care of them until the end .. smoking took my best friends brings me to tears as I type .. lost them far too young ..
Sorry for your lost 😞 I pray your okay and that your able to recover the fact that you took care of them till the end speaks volumes of the kind of person you are God bless you melissa.
Good.
@@cameupstarvin7351what’s wrong with you, I feel bad for both of you in completely different ways
I am crying with you, I’m an addict and my parents don’t know. Lucky I don’t have kids or wife because I definitely have a lot of healing to do. You are strong to be able to live through such a loss and be able to move on. I’m so sad for people that lose family to soon
@@robertworton2394 I’m Glad.
On my third attempt, I am now one month nicotine free today and no longer feel the weight of the addiction that is just a mind game and once I realized that, I became so embarrassed and felt disgusted with every cigarette I smoked. I know so many that switched to vaping and became more hooked. I feel the difference in my breathing, exercise is more enjoyable, my skin is clearer and my teeth are whiter. Every time I interact with a smoker/vaper or walk by one, I feel so proud. I did it.
Way to go,
Yep you’re right it’s all in your mind now. The physical addiction you beat so great job and don’t you dare go back! You made it this far and just think you added back at least 10+ years of your life you could have lost from that addiction. Stay strong !
Congrats brother. I just beat my addiction as well, 3 weeks smoke free(no nicotine replacement therapy either, nothing). I vaped heavily for a year, and actually stopped Vaping and smoked cigarettes for 3 months before I quit.
Imo, Vaping is way more addictive then cigarettes. I tried quitting Vape cold Turkey and couldn’t bro. That’s why I used cigarettes to get off. Vaping in my opinion is worse for the brain, a lot worse than cigarettes. Heavily concentrated doses of nicotine is NOT good for the brain. I remember times after taking fat vapes thinking to myself, this is not good for my brain, I’m either permanently or temporarily damaging my mind.
Luckily my addiction was only for 1 year, so I’m praying I didn’t cause any permanent damage to my brain. I don’t think I did, I’ve been clean for 3 weeks now and I feel back to my old self. Haven’t felt these levels of mental clarity and ambition in awhile and I’m so fckin happy. Vaping especially robbed me of my motivation and ambition, shits terrible.
Again, I’m proud of you for quitting brother! It’s amazing to read others peoples comments who have quit and are experiencing the same benefits as me. Stay up fam
"Every time I interact with a smoker/vaper or walk by one, I feel so proud.", my experience exactly.
@@Stampedby__bonetti Congrats man, keep it up! I’m in a similar situation, over the last year I vaped for 5 months or so, then switched to Zyn for several months, then quit that and ended up back on vapes. Lol nicotine is vicious. I quit vaping a few weeks ago, quit drinking a month ago, have been using a sauna every day for the last few weeks, have been running and lifting too, and I feel better than I have in ages. I can breath easier and my resting heart rate has dropped comfortably into the 40’s. Nicotine is such a waste of money and it really does wear on you
With cigs I was a pretty light smoker, 3-5 per day. When I switched to vaping, I would draw on it all day long, never going more than 15 minutes or so without a few puffs. When I started going into the bathroom at work several times a day to get a hit, I felt ridiculous and knew it had to stop. Vaping is SO much more addictive because of its accessibility. When I quit I was completely blown away by how calm I felt, unaware of the constant state of anxiety that nicotine kept me in. Like I was back to being myself.
I’ve noticed this with a lot of friends who switched from smoking to vaping.
True. Before quitting vaping I was contemplating just going back to a few cigs a day. Kinda seemed like a healthier alternative to vaping every living hour of the day lol
Very interesting
I'm going through that exact same thing right now. Puffing a vape every 15 mins, go crazy without one. Ducking off to the toilets no matter where I am to get a puff, i's nasty shit
I started having genuine panic attacks. I finally linked it directly to vaping. I've been off them for 20 days today. I haven't had any anxiety or panic attacks since I quit. No more headaches too. Pretty insane I felt the addiction was worth more than how awful it made me feel
Because of this man, 15 of my mates and I literally quit cigarettes and alcohol immediately. Someone protect this man!!!
Thats so badass. Im not being sarcastic. A group of friends coming together and being like "Nah we're done" is badass.
Rad! Isn’t it fun being the sober one at parties?! It’s actually funny (& sad), bittersweet. Keep up the good work 🙌 🙌
Thats amazing.
How u quot cigs? I've tried so many times. It's one thing I just can't quit yet
I replaced the cigarette smoking with another type of high, which in this case was cold/hot plunge. With the extra energy, I picked up running, which gave me another high. From there, I just starting cooking again for myself. It's all about keeping busy helping others the best you can. @@kyle6781
For those struggling with nicotine addiction, I haven't found a better way to kick it than to become obsessed with something that doesn't allow you to smoke. I used to smoke and vape. I got into jumping rope (boxer style) for fitness followed by long-distance running. Now, if I thought about bumming a smoke from a buddy, I know that my running the next morning-something that is normally a pleasurable experience-would be miserable. Sometimes, these things can provide just enough distance between craving and response to give us the space to make better decisions.
I had smoked for about 15 years, and switched to nicotine gum for about 5 years without ever being able to stop. I switched to vaping, and was able to gradually taper myself off of nicotine by mixing the juice myself, and after vaping flavored juice with no nicotine for a month I was able to quit entirely. You will also find that the British Health System relies on vaping to reduce and quit smoking.
I was a smoker for 16 years. Back in my late teens and early twenties. I was in the military. We ran Mondays,Wednesdays and Fridays. Between 2-10 miles depending on who was leading the troop. I was a heavy smoker 1-11/2 packs a day. I also ran with a chew of red man in my cheek. Still alive now 60+. I quit smoking and chewing in 93.
I quit vaping just days after I got back into collecting and selling Pokemon. Without even meaning to! Like you said, I found something else that can be "addictive" but in a beneficial way.
i quit vaping a few days ago. i used to smoke cigarettes and would never smoke a cigarette indoors but vaping, i would vape all day. i think the accessibility makes it worse than smoking cigarettes in the long run.
That really is the issue. I quit smoking years ago and was nicotine free for a time. But now that you can vape wherever, my body is addicted like it never was with cigarettes.
@@Dapryor Still better than lung darts.
@@thetavibes9021 what are lung darts?
@@Silentheaven89 Cigarettes.
good job
I had a vaping phase. At first, a friend has it so you end up trying it. You think nothing of it, but next thing you know you're buying your own. What makes it so terrible is how easy it is. Eventually, you're fidgeting to take another puff every 10 seconds. I quit because I hated myself for the habit.
Good on you man! It is hard, I've been there
I made the mistake of buying my own and got HOOKED. Nicotine was hard af to kick.
@@MrKfloz Just tell yourself the vape is evil.
I’ve been completely sober 262 days and counting.
Quite honestly one of the best decisions of my entire life.
Having a clear mind; a clear sense of one self there’s nothing like it.
Depending on myself to take care of problems rather than relying on an escape that’ll just create more health problems later on it’s just not worth it.
Well done. 1692 for me. 💪
That's good to hear! Congrats. I'm on day 17th and already loving myself more :) I'm just struggling with productivity... May that have happened to you as well? I hope I keep getting more and more productive each day as I relied on vapes and THC to study and work without feeling it was shit
It’s really about your intention, addiction is an attempt to escape some form of suffering, the best thing you can do is face your issues and suffering
From someone who smoked for well over 30 years here is my assessment. I was a heavy smoker, 2+ packs a day. I was at the point for probably a decade where my breathing was short, people knew when I was around by my cough and in the mornings i would cough 💩 up sometimes to the point of puking. I transitioned from smoking to vaping, I was a dual smoker/vaper for some time and eventually put the cigs away. For me, I can tell you I feel 100 times better, dont cough, not short of breath and just feel better overall. With that being said I dont know what the long term effects hold for my future. Ive been vaping now for about 3 years.
Surely using all natural tobacco flavouring and glycerol in the vapouriser would have to be vastly different than these synthetic flavourings
@ejefepinnock945 sell a kidney
I'm the same, 30 year smoker 2packs a day vaping helped me kick the habit 10 years ago and I feel 100 times better.
Same here bro. Started smoking at 16 and smoked a pack a day for 10 years.
I think the biggest down side is that I feel more addicted to nicotine now but overall 100% better physically
All the young people I work around vape and I hear them coughing all the day year round. Don’t fool yourselves into believing it is any better for you then smoking
Almost 5 months clean from Cannabis, tobacco, caffeine and alcohol. I’m 25 & started cannabis with tobacco at 16. Quit everything cold turkey cause i had an elevated blood pressure and feel pretty safe to say that I will never go back to that lifestyle!
Thats amazing!
That must’ve been hell giving up all that at once. I had to ween off one by one slowly (besides caffeine I absolutely hate the way caffeine makes me feel)
i think caffeine is the one drug i could never give up, I love my breakfast tea and coffee too much. Fair play though
28, I've been battling nicotine addiction with cigarettes but mostly vaping (juul, disposables) for over 14 years. I've quit for 8 months and then started vaping again for 4 months. I'm recently 90 days nicotine free again. It is such an evil battle that convinces me to indulge for a 4 second minor morning buzz that I chase the rest of the day which never comes due to the frequency in which I vape. What's crazy is that after extended periods of quitting it actually takes 'work' to get back into it because my body has healed so much. This last relapse was over a week of heavy coughing after each hit and not enjoying any part of it, yet I still continued and got addicted again. Thank you for this video
never related to anything more lol. The morning buzz that lasts for 5 seconds followed by puffing on it the rest of the day chasing the same feeling that will never come again until next morning
25, been vaping for almost 6 years now, also happens to me, quit for several months then go back on it. Need my body to heal for real this time.
@@eduardosierraasame here, vaping for about 5 or 6 years on and off, 25 years old. Ive been off for about 2 months now, going to stay off for real this time!
@@vincentpernicano3277nicotine pouches like Velo really helped me quit for good. I used them for 3 months after quitting vaping and now I’m completely nicotine free for the past 6 months. Elite athletes (such as PL footballers) use them regularly and they’ve been used in Nordic countries for many years
@@vincentpernicano3277you can do it!
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Does anyone know any good source to get them? I put so much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels, would love to give shrooms a try.
Yes, dr.sporesss
Dr.sporesss is the best, he's been my go to for anything psychedelics.
Is he on instagram?
Yes he is. dr.sporesss
I started vaping casually like a year and a half ago, hitting coworkers vapes a bit while at work. That morphed into consistently hitting friends' vapes while they were around and that then morphed into me finally buying a disposable vape for the first time about 6 weeks ago or so. As of November 1st however, the sale of flavored vape products has been banned where I live and honestly I'm quite happy about it. I was set to keep on buying those disposables as long as they were available. I never had a history of smoking before I ever touched a vape besides a few cigarettes (and not counting weed).
I remember when they banned methanol cigarettes and honestly I was so annoyed but that turned out to be the best thing they did. I don’t think I could have stopped if they didn’t ban them
So you guys need the government to be your baby sitters?
That's so real. It starts like that
I was a social smoker for quite a few years and never once felt addicted. I’d only smoke when a drank a few throughout the night. I stopped for years. A few years ago I tried vaping and let me tell you it’s 100 times more addictive. I found myself wanting it ALL the time. Had to work really hard to quit and even now even I drink I want it.
Agreed. Over the years I’ve been a social smoker at times and never thought about going out to buy cigarettes on my own, but with vaping being so much more discreet it’s really easy for it to get its hooks in you. I never wanted to smell like cigarettes so I didn’t buy them, but I started buying vapes and just stepping into a restroom or around a corner to hit them everywhere I went. Once you quit for a while you realize how silly the addiction is, but man it really takes you for a ride
Why can’t you just have it when you drink like you do with cigs
@@BeforeThisNovember for me because vaping doesn’t have all the unappealing factors of smoking actual cigarettes. I find cigarettes gross when I’m sober, they taste and smell bad. Vaping tastes and smells good so I found it much more tempting to vape more often. I’ve since cut it out all together.
@@x3lea866 I completely agree. I quit smoking for around 8 years and started again in lockdown (idiot). Not long after I replaced it with vaping and I’m still tryna quit that.
Quitting cigs is way easier for reasons you said. And vaping you can just sit in your house hitting it none stop ..
@@BeforeThisNovember I had to quit drinking for awhile to quit vaping otherwise I’d cave when I got a little tipsy lol
Quit vaping cold turkey a month ago, I feel a literal veil off my eyes has been lifted, everything flows clearer in my mind and my performance in the gym is much increased. My libido as well has had a boost. To be honest, cigarettes felt less harmful… WAKE UP
Another reason podcasts can have the same guests and not lose views is because subject matters are more complex than a few minutes of discussion can cover, that people aren't as dumb as the media would have us believe. People have a genuine curiosty about everything and nuance is not lost on them.
Or maybe there are tens of millions of people who devour this kind of content, and a lot of dumb people. I'm a crossover: I'm dumb _and_ love this content :)
I always contributed smoking and vaping as a way to combat anxiety. You fiddling, the deep breathing thats a side effect of inhaling. Makes people feel good
something to consider: I vaped way more nicotine than I smoked. The detriment nicotine withdrawal had on my sleep - particularly with regards to sleep fragmentation or disruptions - was something I only realized when I switched to patches and kept them on at night. My sleep improved so much and was worse when I vaped vs smoking cigs. This week I went from a 7mg patch to 1mg a day of silver malboros. Definitely less healthy, but these companies don't make patches smaller and most are not cuttable (it's almost like they want you to stay addicted).
Now that u mention it I hadn’t noticed i sleep completely thru the night now… before I quit I’d wake up and roll over to hit the vape like every hour
Exactly! If you want an accurate depiction of what nicotine addiction free sleep will be like, talk to your doc about getting patches, your insurance should cover it, I paid 0 for mine. Just try it once, you will be shocked and it was just heuristically create motivation to quit.@@jimirsayssponsor5844
I vape and I sleep like a baby
@@FIshfood500same.. I don’t vape those salt nic gas station vapes, but I have a vape mod and vape 3mg nic juice, and my lungs, my sleep, everything feels fine 🤷🏻♂️
Shoenice can drink 5 handles and live.@@FIshfood500
IMO vaping is invaluable only if use for quitting smoking … include quitting vaping a the end .
I quite 16 years of smoking thanks to vaping.
And I quite vaping after 2 years.
That was 11 years ago
Before that I had try everything without success.
In the other end I think just replacing smoking by vaping on the Long run is not a good idea.
It has to be a step helping for quitting.
quiting cigarettes was the hardest thing I've ever done....
you must of not done very hard things then
Good on ya
I kicked an opiate addiction but I still can't quit nicotine
I’m trying to quit. It’s not going good- 😢
@@ActiveGamingUKIt is one of the hardest drug to quit.
I quit vaping one year agooo 🎉 because a loved ond convinced me to try. Ever since my health has been so good and tbh I don’t miss it. With every day that passes I just see more things that prove that vaping is very dangerous and bad for my health. You can do it!!! ☺️
Do you ever get cravings or miss it? If not, how long would you say it took for them to go away? I’m on day nine and the cravings the last two days have been worse than when I just started. Hope it’s not like this my whole life lol
@@beccamartin6270 heyyy! Not anymore. But at the beginning i had to get distance from my friends who kept vaping cause they weren't helping me. I craved it a lot for at least 1 month and from then I occasionally craved it but not as much. When you reach the 3M mark you won't miss it. You can do it!!
A Wise Man once said:
"BREATHE AIR!!
YOU DON'T NEED A VAPE!!"
That man was not that wise if he didn't understand how addiction works
That man also on camera smoking a hookah so...
That man is also a human trafficker.
The dude is know for smoking huge cigars full of crud.
@@Zhdhcjenimagine genuinely believing this statement, seethe more
When are we gonna talk about how UA-cam and podcasts have effected our dopamine levels in the context of addiction. I’ve wasted hours watching podcasts on how to be “healthy” and “optimal”. I feel like it leads you down a toxic path of perfection that is unattainable. It seems like all of us have forgotten how to be present in the moment without optimizing every little thing.
Everything is bad if no moderation.. do your self a favor. Pick one day a week where you don’t use technology. Let your body reset. Go outside in the morning and go outside when the sun is setting. Delete ig, facebook and other nonsense brain rot social media. Use UA-cam with watch time warning to know you’re using the too much. I promise you’ll feel much better about your self. Hope this helps. Remember we get one life. Donte use it all on apps designed to steal away your time in life✊️⏳🙌💯
100%
The workd isnt ready for that conversation
The social dilemma on Netflix
Get outside and walk, preferably among nature and you'll feel better.
23 years old. Prob started around 17/18. Slowly quitting. Went cold turkey the first two days and used pouches (2 a day actually pretty helpful) now 10 hits a day for a week. Then -5 next week. Then cut to zero by the end of the month. I do like nicotine so I’ll end up using gum when I want it. Quitting is honestly not as bad as I thought. I think in the past I’ve failed cuz deep down I didn’t actually care to quit. But now i feel way more in control. So far so good on the journey. I wasn’t planning on doing it forever so it’s time. We got this 🤝
Sticking to zyns myself
I'm honestly interested in seeing the citations for a number of his statements. I know a lot of the negative Health reports regarding vaping had to do with black market made THC vape cartridges w Vit E acetate. Quite a few people including myself use high quality ingredient and regulated nicotine juice. In general it sounds like he's referring to the worst of the worst and combining them all under one umbrella. I'm sure it's not great for health and if it's very minimal like the European Union study said then I'm fine with it for now
Whatever justifies it for you. Just don’t cry when you come down with a disease from it.
@RoRo-gn9pv harsh dude. I like seeing citations and learning. That's literally what my statement was about above. I've actually been tracking the studies that come out. And again, I don't claim that it improves health and in line with all the solid research I've seen so far especially if you rule out the vitamin E acetate the risks look to be very minimal, if thats the case Ill keep using. Especially if you're a person that uses quality and regulated juice.
ye but he was talking about chemicals crossing the blood brain barrier. This THC and Vit E thing is assosiacted with these things in your lung, and even if it does more damage, this should be the first thing mentioned imo, but he didnt. Still, leaving out Sucralose, Acetoin and colorant is already a great reduction in risk, so Im also curious what he was refering to exactly. And if you only vape the base+nicotin it should be basically harmless.
@@TheUnrider gave me the ick when he talked about "this and that crosses blood-brain barrier, introduces so many toxins into your body, etc. etc.". How about naming specifically what you are talking about? There's so many variables in vaping, that it's already hard enough to do studies (like 15W mouth-to-lung vs. 200W direct-to-lung as an example). Sounds more like fear-mongering to me instead of the usual factual research he's citing.
The only people who defend these smoking vaping habits and "I want specifics" are addicts. Whatever you want to tell yourself about "it's not that bad" it's your addiction speaking. At least most people know that it's really bad and just admit the can't quit because they're completely addicted and don't care about negatives. But then there's you bunch that just "give me details why it bad, or it means its totally justified cus I'm so smart because there's no proper studies YET".cigaretes were recommended by doctors even to children. So don't pretend to be some genius that you vape ATM
Saw a middle aged lady that had to talk through a hole in her throat when I was a kid. Was never tempted to smoke much of anything after that.
That has nothing to do with smoking but ok.
That'll do it
Smoked cigarettes for seven years. Been vaping for about four. The comparisons aren't even close. Cigarettes you could just see and feel how unhealthy they are. It's better not to do it and be dependent on it, sure, but anyone with actual long term experience smoking cigarettes in comparison knows it's not even close.
100% agree. I would only "recommend" vaping to people who just cannot seem to kick the cigs. It's obviously still not healthy, but I feel miles healthier and especially I can breathe better.
while i agree with how cigarettes “feel”, i started rolling my own with loose tobacco and for me, it’s better than both boxed cigs and vaping
smoked a ‘normal’ cig a month after i switched to rolling and it felt like smoking 100% chemicals; vaping makes my mouth feel like it’s laced with metal
self-rolled cigs take 1/3 of the time to smoke, don’t feel as nasty, and the whole process disincentivizes smoking. lmao
so i’d argue that it’s a slightly better bridge between smoking and not smoking compared to vaping, but again that’s just my experience
Yep this is what annoys me. We are watching a legion of people who are NOT involved with this try to take down one of the most successful smoking cessation methods to EVER exist.
A bunch of none smokers rubbing their fu cking nose in it.
I smoked for over 10 years. Ive been on and off vaping for about 5 or 6 years now?
The difference in my health is night and day. I can breathe. My cardios better. My gums arent rapidly receding anymore. I dont feel like shit all the time from THOUSANDS of chemicals from the combustion of carbon floating around my body. My throats not raspy. Im not coughing up tar.
The list goes on.
Its NIGHT AND DAY.
And we are about to lose it to fu cking chinese vapes, propaganda and civilians being fu cking nosey.
This whole thing is a grand display of the utter Lack of cognition happening on a communal scale.
If we lose vaping to this i will spend the rest of my life jaded and cynical towards people. They are more than happy to take away your vices and hobbies while they sit on theirs. Its literally human nature.
And If it does get banned. Guess who wins? Big Tobacco.
Has anyone ever wondered how the importation of MILLIONS of *Illegal* Chinese vapes even makes it into the country in the first place?
Bit weird that border patrol just closes up shop on those days dont you think?
Nah no one thinks. Just braindead lobby against vaping because thats what the hivemind is doing atm.
Nothing beats addicts justifying the type of poison they can't quit. At least some of you admit they're idiots for starting to smoke. I have people around me who smoke their all lives and I despise it. Arguably the most common annoying disgusting thing in my life. And entirely come from other people and not myself.
You must not have any vices, that is impressive. Wow.@@laius6047
I quit drinking completely after listening to his podcast on alcohol and health.
that episode is extremely eye-opening, and I've seen tons of people cite it as the final nail in the coffin of their alcohol addiction. I haven't quit entirely, but I went from drinking more than a 6 pack every single day for many years, to having a beer or two with lunch 2 or 3 times a week, and that episode is what made me really reflect on what I was doing to myself and finally make some changes.
I hope it was too late.
@@konkeydonged slow and incremental progress is far better than quitting instantly, atleast in terms of the chance of getting addicted again + the withdrawals
I started...I wanna do the science myself.
@@Godisreal. You're gonna fail.
The only benefit I can see from my past nicotine addiction (cigarettes then vaping) is that I can now better detect when I'm becoming addicted to something. My phone, a certain behavior, the ability to get drawn into something with a net negative-these all feel like when I craved a cig or a rip on a vape pen. That doesn't mean I don't regret those years of addiction, but it is an interesting silver lining to years of bodily damage.
I've been vaping for maybe 15 years. I used to smoke 20 Lambert and Butlers a day and always had colds, coughs etc. I smoke the Vape 88 liquids and they seem fine to me honestly. When I switched from smoking to vaping my lungs cleared themselves out and I very rarely get ill now. Maybe once every 3 years or so. I can go months without exercise and get on a treadmill / out on the road and can run 5k without too much bother honestly.
The fact is, like he said, we just don't know. No risk, no story I guess.
they blubbering all kinds of crazy stuff for 11mins. everything for a buck
They demonise nicotine ...but probably cant function if they dont start their day with a cup of coffee...
Yeah, I'm glad I realized how detrimental it was to my body. Vaped for 5 years and quit both vaping and alcohol when I was 23; I'm 27 now and trying to reverse all the senseless things I've done to my body with a horrible diet growing up, then vaping and drinking through college.
Vaping and drinking for a couple years no way did that much damage
@@yegheieu I vaped for 5 years; had back to back bronchitis lasting roughly 6 months each, at one point I was coughing up a cup of green mucus from my lungs a day, if not more. I for sure have some lung scarring from vaping and the associated lung infections. And on top of that, my drinking habits were quite bad, I blacked out almost every time I drank.
@@alexduero9444good for you. It's not easy and you caught it at a time where you are resilient. Many don't and suffer a lifetime.
@@yegheieuNot very surprised, it’s terrible for your lungs, heart and liver. Can cause diabetes, gut issues, etc.
Good job starting in your mid 20s. Most wait till their 30s and that's after everything really starts catching up with them and it's that much harder to reverse.
I had a 4 year kratom habit, daily. It stopped me stealing my stepdads meds, stopped me taking close to dangerous amounts of cocodamol. 4 years and when I quit I had little to no withdrawals. I quit once but read people's stories about quitting and withdrawals and experienced withdrawals from it that time but when I decided to quit and not put the possibility of placebo withdrawals it wasn't a problem at all. It should be legal globally.
what has struck me most is the amount of vaping people now do. They smoked far less cigarettes in comparison to how much people vape. I would be interested to see the data in several years down the line.
I was a heavy smoker for 32 years. I quit a few times, once for almost 5 years, and was miserable, I just never got over the “urge”. In 2009 I googled electric cigarettes and surprisingly, there was such a thing so I ordered one. I’ve been vaping now for 14 years and it has drastically improved my life compared to smoking. Almost immediately I could go up and down the stairs, and play basketball and ride a bike without being out of breath. I get unflavored with a low nicotine content. The nicotine “hit” is nice but for me it’s always been more about the ritual of holding it and puffing the “smoke”. I wish I’d never smoked but I did and at my age I’m going to continue vaping.
Well then
I have enjoyed nicotine for the last 2 years but watching this vid and hearing 'blood brain barrier' 3 weeks ago drew an absolute line in the sand for me. I was not a heavy user but was an every day user. I dealt with mood issues and headaches for the first 2 days after quitting but then was golden. I use sunflower seeds to fulfill the oral fixation. Also, cut back on tequila shots from 10-15 per week (2-3 days) to a max of 5 in a week (1 day). Feeling great!
Oh I should mention what I did when I quit to help me stay with it.
That is I constantly was looking at the timeline each week of how your health improves over a few days or weeks or months after smoking.
I mean I literally looked at it all the time.
I ended up having to stay really busy. Shoveling snow for hours.
Sleeping more.
But I did whatever I could to stop smoking.
I also thought if my sister who was more addicted then me could quit I could too.
And it is really truly worth it!!!
I smoked for 16 years before quitting.
I went 11 months and never felt better, however alcohol can be a slippery slope, especially if your surrounded by smokers/vapers. I relapse after my first drinking session, there’s something about vaping while drinking that makes me feel on top of the world. Of course that never ends well. Work stress caused me to relapse a second time, I need to find other ways to cope with stress
I smoked for 43 years. I quit almost 5 years ago using vaping for maybe 6 months. Started forgetting it at home. Figured it was time to say no. Replacing nicotine never helped me quit. When I feel I must try one again, I do. I take one draw and think to myself yuck! How did I ever smoke this. I honestly don’t think nicotine is what I was ever addicted to. I grab a vape as well only when I’m under major stress. Then I put it down and no withdrawal ever.
It’s the ritual for me too. I have to see the smoke or the vape cloud to get any satisfaction from it.
I am in the process of quit vaping is so hard I had 1 day and a half and I came back for one day and now I am on track again, is so hard is because of my believes about smoking I have to brake my believes that this is cool because it is not at all !! Thanks for this podcasts !
This is not a very informative discussion. Some people vape cannabis and some people vape nicotine. And there are countless different vape strengths and flavours available, which all contain different blends of ingredients and chemicals and different amounts of nicotine and cannabis.. You can also vape flavourless juice containing only glycerine and nicotine, which I do.
I started smoking when I was 13 and started vaping a year ago at 44. I feel so much better vaping and I can actually take deep breaths now. People may say vaping is bad but as someone who smoked for most of their life and then vaping, vaping is such a better option health wise for Me.
I quit vaping and am now on a lower mg nicotine gum. The amount of nicotine you intake with a vape is much more than most realize as people puff on it all day long. I know I would when I vaped. Since quitting, my anxiety has also improved
i vape 0 nicotine and im fine, i cant stop vaping and forget about it. only 2 ingreidents in vaping pg and vg both found in foods
@@nightcoreamv6462 the vaping device itself can be harmful to your lungs by exposing them to metal, since nearly all vaporizers for nicotine contain conductive heating. So it isn't just the juice to worry about. BTW, I'm not condemning anything, just trying to provide helpful info
same for me, I've been vaping for 5 years after 7 years of cigarrettes and now I use 2mg nicotine gum. The irony of using one nicotine substitute against another
@redweyes1733 ikr lmao, but hey at least the gum doesn't affect our precious lungs!
I like how Andrew talks about the negatives to vaping scientifically rather than these "Quit vaping" commercials that don't even explain why they just try to make trendy videos with younger people telling you to stop. Thank you Andrew for the knowledge and Chris for hosting a great podcast.
I’m not trying to say vaping is safe but I have done fairly heavily for years and get up at 4am 5 times a week and run 3 miles with no real issues so far.
Just quit too days ago it's been so hard but this video gave me a renewed vigor to keep going!!
I absolutely love the honesty of this guy
I quit vaping because of Doc Hubermans nicotine episode. Thanks Doc, totally worth the three weeks of crawling out of my own skin to be free of that garbage.
3 weeks all it took for you? You ever get cravings anymore?
@@tylerdrymanit took myself 2 weeks, a little less than 2 actually. Im guessing Carolyn probably wasn’t smoking that long and that’s why it only took her 3 weeks. Like myself, I smoked for 1 year only. So I think that’s why my withdrawal was so short which I’m happy about tbh.
It’s great being smoke free, now feeling normal again I realize how much of my mind smoking was occupying. I can use all my attention and mind on things that actually matter in my life, goals and such. Smoking greatly hindered that so much, basically made me a zombie shit sucked.
@@Stampedby__bonettithanks for sharing. Ive been vaping for about 5 years unfortunately, got caught up in it early in high school. I think im going to make a run trying to stop but im worried about me getting right back into it, even if i was able to quit for a few weeks
The way I've seen people vape, I have thought about suggesting a "vapilator" so they can keep vaping continuously and keep their hands free.
Oh no bro they're totally in control. They have this addiction by the balls. They're such strong and brave people for choosing vape over cigaretes. Modern day knights.
I have fainted multiple times since I started vaping and I am constantly nauseous, tired, anxious and depressed. Despite all of this, quitting was not an option for me. It is my crutch and my vice. I wasn’t ready to quit, however I have finally arrived at a place where I am committed to quitting. Currently going through withdrawals and wanting to vape is consuming my mind. Hoping it subsides soon. Pray for me lol
your probaly smoking a shit ton of nicrotine then, im vaping 0 nicotine and im never addicted to it, ive even went entire 2 years without vaping on nicotine
That's what I find strange. Even cigarettes don't make me tired but vaping for a few days like I tried a couple of times makes me slow, tired, sleepy, low bp...
My uncle was a heavy smoker (2 packs a day). Life had been very hard towards him, being deeply in love his kids mom. After being seperated, she took all what he owned and he still supplied her. For years, he used to live a very lonely life and my dad supported him with money, his children only visiting him when they needed money, and he didnt have enough to feed himself but still gave them all what he had on him.
Once his brother went to visit him, knocking on the door, left without answer, he panicked.
After they opened the door, they found peacifully dead as little child on the couch, beside him his cigarette cup.
I did not have a relation to him, but he broke my heart and i had an unconditional love to him. I cried for days.
Me he rest in peace.
Zero distinction between freebase and salt nicotine. Gigantic difference in ingredients, temperature and nicotine dosage.
Zero distinction between Chinese vapes and real vapes.
I expect so much more from Huberman. Just lost all credibility in my eyes.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother Perhaps on this one singular issue, yes. I think I can forgive him for not being on the cutting edge of vape science. There's really not a ton of studies to go on especially not in North America. The Royal College of Physicians conducted a 10 year double blind study claiming freebase vaping was 99.5% safer than cigarettes, but it really doesn't matter much. Most ways to access freebase nicotine vaping (making juice to order on location, building coils by hand with materials known to be safe and not covered in chemicals) were made explicitly illegal because of the teen vaping scare. Juul really did ruin it for everyone.
I didn't get anything from this. There were no specifics regarding what exactly in vaping would cause any harm. Also, it sounds like Huberman assumed vaping meant vaping marijuana. I'm usually a fan of him, but he was all over the place with this one.
It's because there are no studies to confirm it. Andrew is emotionally driven on this question.
Working in the healthcare field, I still see a lot of ill effects of cigarettes but haven't seen anything from vaping yet.
So do I. Keep in mind it takes about 20 years on average for the first signs of damage to become obvious. I didn't say it takes 20 years of nicotine use to damage you, only to do enough damage to start being visible. Vapes have been around for decades but got the first patent in 2003 and only started being generally used a few years after that so we're on the cusp of those key 2 decades. And realistically even 20 years is still the beginning, you start seeing the damage exponentially with time with way more at 30 and 40 years. This sounds like a long time but if you start vaping in your teens its just enough to cut your life short. Remember tobacco users lose about 10-25 years of life expectancy with their decade or so often marked by illnesses caused by their vice. Realize that studies have already shown emphysematous changes to the lifetime vapers' only lungs even if they never smoked.
Obviously nicotine toasts your circulation with the primary cause of death and disease in this drug's users not being cancer, but cardiovascular and it isn't the tars either because pipe, cigar and oral/smokeless tobacco users (which receive greater dosages of this pesticide) having a greater degree of circulatory death and disease. They lie and say "NICOTINE HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO CAUSE CANCER" but the most potent carcinogens in tobacco (or any nicotine product for that matter) are tobacco specific nitrosamines which come about as a byproduct of nicotine degradation just sitting there. So any form of nicotine is loaded with this deadly poison as well including the patches and gum. Therefore your anecdotal feeling is just because we're not yet noticing and tying 2 and 2 together but based on what we already know about nicotine itself and the dynamics of introducing this poison in your body it is extremely likely in the coming 3-5 years there will be some big studies coming out about the harms of vaping as well..
Key word here is YET 4:36
@@Pablophd1965 if we are expecting to see the same or similar effects as tobacco, i do not think we will see much. I want to know which chemical in vape liquid is the culprit and some further details.
@@Pablophd1965oh you're such a smart fu*king parrot!
If they had instruments back then to check they wouldn't have to wait for the "yet" with cigarettes. Also the humanity wasn't as weak as today's so negatives were slower or none.
Right now you can check how vaping is affecting you and you can feel it. No need for 2030s scientists to tell you.
I would really love for content creators around these topics to make a unbiased talk about the effects of, for example vaping, but also give an explanation about how our body handles these substances, and how it rebounds post usage.
So much of the content is "this is bad because I say so and I have this degree/phd/title so you should believe me"
Im not saying Andrew Huberman isn't far more qualified than myself to make judgements on topics such as nicotine vaping, but all I heard here was "we are inhaling these chemicals into our lungs" yet everyone whos been taught anything about cigarette smoking is is the timeline of how our bodies repair after quitting. Our bodies have the ability to repair themselves, but that point is often over looked.
Taking one hit isn't doing permanent, irreversible damage. Smoking weed isn't doing that either. Abusing any substance, or abusing anything (video games) is inherently bad, but simply saying "this is bad" and not properly educating people on why its bad and where the effects are felt the most, and how to go about managing them or using in moderation is simply unproductive.
Totally agree......trying to "educate" or "motivate" people courtesy of one's academic authority (or hubris) is tantamount to how religious priests and clerics behave. I.E "You should refrain from this thing because somebody smarter and more powerful than you (god, Jesus, Allah etc) .....doesn't LIKE this habit and considers it a sin...." These kind of invocations mean JACK to sooo many people because they remove authority, ownership and responsibility from the individual and instead try to employ a kind of "second hand" sense of obligation which not only doesn't work....it (quite rightly) makes many people rebel against this kind of "motivational" model.....because deep down, they KNOW it's just one big croc of sh*t.....even if the advice being given is wise and sound. People MUST be treated as having personal ownership before you try to motivate them, and if you try to "cheat code" that.....well.....good luck reaching your target audience!!
Well said! No one is going to be convinced to give up all their vices for the sake of health, because there is so much anecdotal evidence of people using certain substances, and living healthy lives (on the more mild side of substances) and even people who abuse harder substances, get clean, and live healthy lives.
Keep the "this is what this substance does to your body" but follow up with "this is how our body fights its and how it can be managed/balanced/reversed." @@donnietobasco9791
I 100% agree with your point here Chris, vaping is probably less harmful that cigs. But overall, i would guess there are millions of people, if not ten million, that would never smoke cigs. But they vape all day every day because the experience is so much more pleasant. Starting with the fruity and customizable flavors that make it approachable for any palate, no matter how young. The removable of the social stigma, from both the god awful smell but also vapes are seen as trendy gadgets now.
I have been smoking and vaping heavily ever since I was 14. I'm 25 now and I am quitting today. Will check back in with my progress.
Good luck dude
I have a good female friend. She has been trying for 4 years to have kids. Recently she went through a series of doctors and it turns out she can not have kids anymore. Her eggs and hormones went poof a couple of years ago at around the age of 32. Smoking was probably a major factor. She is completely devastated and depressed because of it. I always told her that her smoking is stupid. Sadly, I was right. Learn from her mistake.
Andrew Huberman - expert of everything.
Vaping is a great tool for quitting cigarettes that should then be withdrawn through gum/pouches then nothing. I completed this process myself and have been nicotine-free for 6 months. What’s poor is to see people who never smoked a cigarette starting vaping largely due to targeted marketing.
You can transition to no nicotine vape juice too. I use unflavored with very low nicotine. I was vaping no nicotine for two years but when I traveled out of state I couldn’t get it without nicotine. (That was in 2011 so options were limited back then).
What about the local vape juice’s with only propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and food grade flavoring? It sounds like you guys are talking about the gas station stuff that doesn’t even list the ingredients.
This. Had a meeting a few months ago in the cardiology dept. (I work in the healthcare field). That was the exact topic of discussion, unregulated devices/juices from gas stations and other locations.
This is one area in which I am surprised in Huberman. It is inarguable that vaping is much preferable to smoking and the best way to quit cigarettes.
Wrong. The best way to quit cigarettes is to read a book by Allen Carr called “Easyway to Quit Smoking”.
It’s $15 which is cheaper than vaping, and there is no willpower involved.
@@zenlandziplineyoure fried
@@PBNIP I AM fried. I’m also a non-smoker now because I read the book.
I read his quit drinking alcohol book 10 years ago and haven’t had a drink since.
Do you have a better way to quit stupid addictions?
@@zenlandziplinedoesn’t work for everyone though. I don’t think there is a one size fits all unfortunately.
@@coopj250 correct, but the book costs like $12. The price of 2 packs of cigarettes. If it doesn’t work, you’re out $12. If it does work, you saved $12 in 1 or 2 days just by not having to buy cigarettes.
Other methods are a lot more expensive, and none have a better success rate.
If your car engine was making a noise, wouldn’t you take a chance on a $5 bottle of oil additive before taking it to a mechanic and replacing the engine?
Every time I see professionals having this discussion they don't mention one huge element that differs between vaping and smoking that I have observed with my friends (ages ranging 18-36), and that is the frequency of use. With vaping, due to the lack of stinky smoke, people will be ripping constantly throughout the day. I had one girl tell me about an ex boyfriend who would reach for his vape in the middle of the night and hit it with his eyes still closed. If you compare this with the natural barriers that come with smoking (the need to go outside if you don't want your house to smell terrible, the need to out on shoes/clothes to go outside, etc.) then you find that there are a lot of casual smokers that might only be smoking a few cigarettes a week, usually at night on the weekend when they're out with people. I have been surprised by how many people who smoke are not chain smokers like I was led to belief growing up, and that there is a huge range in people who partake in cigarette smoking, whereas everyone I know who buys vapes will be vaping very frequently throughout the day.
I don't think it is accurate to refer to it as "smoking vs vaping" because they always talk about smokers as people smoking a pack a day, which I think is something more common in older generations. Living in LA I've observed groups of actors, dancers, models in their mid to late thirties, and they don't vape, they will smoke like 3-4 cigarettes a day max on days that they spend hanging out by the pool with their friends. That's just their vibe.
I hope that these older researchers spend more time understanding how these drugs are being used in different populations instead of only studying what it does to the body.
Never touched opiates but I am heavily dependent on Kratom. It’s my own fault and I knew the risks, I did it anyway. I can’t sleep without it, I need it every 8 hours and the withdrawls while not as horrific as heroin are definitely really unpleasant. I’ll be quitting at the end of the year not because I want to but because I have no choice. That said it’s such a great time, I feel really fantastic on it even at the same dose I’ve been taking for over 3 years now.
Im a vaper and have been for a long time there are many different reasons why but not only do I like doing it but I like collecting vaping gear. I'm glad I switched but I also know that not doing anything is by far better for you. But here I am .
quitting cigarettes was the hardest thing I've ever done but i would not of been able to do it without vaping and now this year am vape free also there is an good reason to use these
I am convinced vaping effects female sexual health. As someone who quit smoking cigs and switched to vaping, I saw a tremendous change in my hormones. I was no longer interested in sex, I felt very depressed, anxious and overall mentally unwell. I have now quit vaping all together (not going back!) and find myself feeling more in tune with with body on a variety of levels. Needless to say, vaping is dangerous. There are not enough studies put out there for people, mostly young adults, to know what they are actually doing to their bodies and it's terrifying. If you are a woman who is vaping, may this resonate with you. Some of your ailments might dwindle once you stop injesting unknown chemicals mixed with highly addictive nicotine.
I smoked for roughly 9 years. Then started vaping and never ever touched a cig again for 7 years and counting. Vaping changed my life. I used to wake up feeling i had slept with a brick over my chest and coughing randomly at any moment during the day (12/15 cigs per day). A while after a started vaping i realized i was gaining performance surges in sports, even nowdays i row and run at professional athlets rates. None of this would have been possibile while smoking cigs and hell i tried both gum and patches to quit even the throat spray wasn't working. I still vape nicotine free liquids today and still enjoy it. As much as i would never want anybody to smoke in their lives, first hand experience of years i need no study to realize how it changed my life to the positive and the life of many ex smokers with me. With no data and no source at hand, but still condamning vaping he sounds like the guy who used to say fire was evil in the stone age. This is his opinion which is even less valuable since he has no direct experience, with all due respect to his academic achievements. Regards
There is a very reliable study I think In the UK that has definitely already proved vaping to be 95% safer so idk what Andrew is talking about it's pretty obvious and the study is pretty much a fact there's no debating it
Just cause you chose the lesser of two evils doesn’t mean you’re making the best choice. That’s like quitting drinking for weed. Yes, on one hand it’s better but on the other it’s even better to not do it all. Think of the blood brain barrier he talks about. There’s no recovering from that. Food for thought.
@@am3818 It is indeed the lesser of the two evils. Think of the hundreds of proven toxic and cancerous chemicals you have in a cig and, yes, compare the two. If you're talking to a person who never smoked you'd rightly advise stay away from everything, but when it comes to deal with a person who smoked for 10 20 30 years you have to deal with a hugely strong habit (even social) and cravings, in which case the lesser of the two evils with a long term plan for quitting completely while reducing nicotine is indeed optimal in my opinion. The very fact that vaping lets you recover the sense of smell, with no breathing issues while doing sports and never coughing i'd say it's a good start.
@@Gavlan8824 I'm sorry, but inhaling flavoured vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and sucralose for no other reason than that you enjoy blowing out clouds of vapor is something only a goober would do. At least using it for marginally/possibly healthier method of ingesting nicotine makes some kind of sense.
@@jessejohnson9514 your comment shows how you never smoked a day in your life and that's why you see this as goober stuff, i wish i could say the same. Quitting is a journey that takes years, the nicotine free part is supposed to be time right before you drop everything. It works because it answers the "gesture" need a smoker still has. Once again had you smoked for years you'd certainly know it.
almost two years without vaping. took an incredible amount of tries but just never stopped trying. never go back
The amount of Vape shops opened up all over the place is unreal.
I totally agree, it’s made many towns and cities unappealing in my opinion…
@@melissah3069Funny how a vape shop can be more unappealing than a liquor store
I’m 7 days clean of vaping. Never smoked before. Picked it up 2 years ago when I was 32. Can’t believe how addicted I am/was. The physical comedown has gone but the mental side effects will be here for a long time
Im really happy i was able to quit smoking right before vaping became common place ('09). I may not have been able to stop if i transitioned to vaping.
Smoked cigarettes from the age of 15-23. Started vaping recreationally at 31, quit within a year. Currently 33. The nicotine withdrawals were so much worse coming off vaping. Can also confidently say that the improvement in my health both mentally and physically was more drastic when I quit vaping as opposed to when I quit cigarettes. Granted the time age difference and what not might have influenced that though.
Me smoking weed helps me with my ptsd, epilepsy, and general anxiety. It beats taking a pill. If I have to take my emergency Ativan it takes me out for two days. I cannot train the next day, I’m too tired and groggy from the pills. I vape
flower weed (that means it’s just weed, nothing else. Just ground weed) . I don’t use any thc oils or anything like that. My vaporizer is over 1 grand. It’s the best on the market
I enjoy cigars in moderation. On occasion I'll chew on nicotine gum .
I have bad adhd and it helps me tremendously.
I wont touch vapes or cigs .
One study that almost never gets talked about is the HEAT from vaping has the similar damage as smoking. You are putting hot air into your lungs which are pillow soft tissue. This in long due time has negative effects, Any one thats been to a Suana has felt this pain of breathing in hot air for to long, thus why we don't stay in one for an hour, well one of many reasons
But ether way vaping could just be flavored water as many here use, still has negative effects and honestly looks stupid..
"OOHHH wait for me guys i gotta charge my Vape...."
Dork
Smoked 8 years, switched to vaping with a vapresso stick. Slowly reduced nicotine mg with it's juices. Lost it one day, never looked back. Has been 2 years and 4 months without smoke, 1 year and 8 months without nicotine.
I personally truly believe the right vape and the lean-off technique for nicotine works great for those who do smoke cigarettes and is an amazing tool to kick the habit. I felt worse smoking than vaping, to include shortness of breath, a need to always catch a breath, constant heart palpations, and sleeping problems. When I was vaping those symptoms slowly started going away. I reached a point where I wasn't even intaking nicotine vape juice, it was just nicotine-free. After that, I didn't get the cravings or urges, lost it in a club, and forgot about it.
I believe we should be careful not to let people think they are better off just sticking with smoking cause that's just a flat-out lie.
It won't benefit you a "tad bit" to switch to vaping if you do smoke, it will benefit you tremendously. You can always look up a vaporizer where you put your own juices and do research on the type of juice you want and use it. Some companies offer different levels of nicotine dosage all the way to 0mg (nicotine free) to help lean off the chemical
Of course if you do neither, don't pick it up. But in reality, you can control your nicotine intake in vaping, it's a great tool for quitting, and it's far far better for your health than smoking can ever be.
Cheers.
Specifics about vaping dry THC bud would be interesting to know, compared to oils and oils with additives for flavour etc.
He'd be hard pressed to disagree that it's the probably the healthiest way of consuming it besides edibles.
Bro it’s 10x fucking worse for you
@@Mvrrayishhave a hard time believing using a vaporizer for dry herb is worse for you lmfao. It ant. I did it for years and had the best stamina ever.
I smoked a pack and a half a day for 20 years tried quitting for 15 years of that. Switched to vaping and within a year I weaned down to zero nicotine then dropped it altogether. Vaping is a wonderful tool for quitting nicotine, any other use is ridiculous.
Almost a year nicotine free. Anyone who is looking to quit or has quit stick with it! It’s only tough in the beginning
I smoked cigarettes for 12 years , vaped for 2 years after the cigarettes. In those 2 years of vape, my lungs have never been so bad. I run way less then when I smoked cigarettes and honestly feel way worse then cigarettes. I used to be able to run 2 miles straight when smoked 12 years of cigarettes. Now I’m barely at 1 mile after I switch to a vape.
It seems Andrew has a personal grudge with vaping and seems to be more based on his emotions, than science. He keeps saying it is so bad, but never really gets to why. The lung damage it caused in US teens were due to illicit vapes with vitamin E. The only shown carcinogen in vaping is formaldehyde but it comes in quantities of 1/100 of that of smoking and only if your vape is burning at a too high temperature. For reference, here is an article from Uk Cancer Research, essentially concluding that it is not cancerous. Other studies I've seen put its health impact at around 5% of that of smoking. Personally, my suspicion is that he has children in the "vaping age" and would rather be safe than sorry.
Its 100% agenda he even admits "he thinks vapors are disgusting"
Like shit the writing is on the wall.
For anybody who wants to quit vaping or cigarettes, buy a book called Allen Carrs Easyway to Quit Smoking. (It works for vaping, too.)
It’s only like $15, and you don’t have to try to stop or even cut back on your smoking while reading the book. Matter of fact, it’s one of the rules in the book: “do not try to quit or cut down while reading the book. Smoke as you normally do”
And the great thing about the book is if you decide you don’t want to quit smoking, you don’t have to. So, there is no pressure. And the book costs the same as 2 packs of cigarettes (that was 1 day of smoking for me) so you really aren’t losing a whole lot if you decide to continue to smoke.
I was an insomniac who suffered tremendously until I started vaping cannabis … hated, taking benzodiazepines as they become less effective overtime. Tried the Huberman sleep cocktail, but it did nothing for me. When you’re a neurodivergent person, our brains do not work like everybody else’s. We are ADHD, or Asperger’s or autistic and we’re not stupid because we work at places like Google and Meta. There is a tremendous amount of us in information technology who cannot sleep well.
Interesting, how much did vaping cannabis help?
And why do you believe the solution is yet another substance? That’s the easy patch or the easy solution. Probably the solution is in the cognitive/ subconscious level and not at all at the physical level.
Is it a vape pen of concentrate or erbals in a good vaporizer? Those are wildy different
I quite smoking by going to vaping then quitting that. Vaping did not really do it for me. To much hassle with oil, electricity, break downs and it just never really satisfied me. But it did remove the edge from quitting smoking. I feel that you are doing more harm then good with this video
I would like Andrew to list all of those toxins from vaping. I ask because vape juice has 4 ingredients: VG, PG, nicotine and flavors.
These toxins must be in the flavoring agents and they vary from flavor to flavor. Therefore, there could be a way of reducing harm by looking at those.
I think they are talking about disposables. Not from proper vapes or the actual ones that are 95% safer than smoking. Not the chinese disposable crap.
You're right, but there are also small quantities of heavy metals when the product is heated in the cotton of the resistor.
I used to smoke started at like 14 years old. Quit twice both times for a year each time. Picked it up again. Started Vapeing about 4 years ago and i gotta say its the one thing that i know will keep me away from cigarettes. I vape 3 percent Nicotine. And it does the trick. I also stopped eating fast food, eat raw veggies everyday and fruit most mornings. And as a overall health change. Am more healthy. And i stopped drinking soda as well. Just my 2 cents
Anybody else get insanely vivid dreams on patches? Cus I did and at times I would still use them literally just for the adventure of the dreams
That's an awesome concept you've stumbled upon
If you are trying quit smoking cigarettes, I highly recommend reading/listening to Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking.
It makes quitting enjoyable. Don't take my word for it though, just try it.
I a big fan of Kratom (in moderation) at the same time I am really curious to hear what Andrew has to say when he delves deep into the subject. Much respect to this man 💯
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a smoker and I’m actively trying to quit…. But the amount of people I know (who would never ever have smoked) who are immensely addicted to vaping is terrifying. The amount they ingest is also absurd. I could never invest the same amount of nicotine via traditional (analogue/acoustic) smoking. I’d have to be smoking non-stop to even get close to that amount of nicotine.
Wasn’t there a research that supports vaping is 95% less dangerous then cigarettes. I don’t know how you view injecting nicotine as being more healthy than vaping.
Nicotine as a substance has never been specifically bad (or good). It has its own advantageous and deleterious effects depending on why you use it. The main difference between smoking and vaping as nicotine delivery systems is you are simply swapping one cluster of toxic chemicals and additives for another, less understood and potentially just as (if not more) harmful cocktail of chemicals. Injecting pure nicotine could be reasoned to be better by someone in need of their fix. Vaping is far more addictive than smoking for me, not just for ease of use, but you get massive concentrations of nicotine instantly. Regardless, nicotine or any sort of self-"medication" belies a deeper indication of poor health, whether it be physical, mental, or spiritual.
No there weren't. That's just marketing. They say it's better because it's not smoking, but it basically is smoking anyway.
Burning anything is gonna produce shitloads of nasty chemicals. Injecting pure nicotine would get you nicotine without coating your lungs with freaky synthetic oil smoke. Nicotine itself isn't so dangerous compared to all the other chemicals that most people take in by smoking or vaping
Injection bypasses any lung damage but vaping being 95% safer than smoking definitely should have been explored
King’s college said this, yes. But we still don’t know long-term implications. No matter what, neither is good. Avoid if possible, or make it seldom.
@@M3spooni the dude promotes ketamine.
The nicotine in vape fluid comes from nightshade plants such as eggplant and potatoes. Also if one is using a quality device with temperature sensing capabilities from pure nickel (ni200) or Stainless Steel (SS) wired coil than carcinogens such as formaldehyde are not created as one isn't bunting their juice over 200c which is the point in which such toxins are created. I've been vaping since Feb 2014 and feel so much healthier than when I was smoking traditional cigarettes.
I haven’t listened to the full podcast, but do they actually talk about why smokers smoke? I often find that people who have consciously wrestled with the risks and stigmas of smoking, continue to do so for all sorts of unique reasons. Maybe it’s the nicotine coursing through their veins, but still fascinating and even inspiring at times. A big middle finger to “optimization”
To me it seems in most people's cases, it's not them actively rejecting "optimization" of themselves as humans. Its more the lack of will, or the giving in to our animalistic behaviors, its depression, deep unhappiness with life. Or maybe im revealing my own psychology a bit
There are lot of lies smokers tell themselves about why they keep smoking. A lot of it is just the addiction talking. We can create some pretty compelling fiction if it keeps the monkey fed. That said, I've been addicted to cigarettes, vapes, and gum at different times in my life. Gum and vapes were only every about the nicotine. But there is something else with cigs. I've never fantasized about having a gum and a whiskey around a campfire, nor a puff on the vape at sunrise with a hot coffee. But both of those will probably always sound enjoyable to me with a cig.
Vuse pod- 5 total ingredients with 1 being considered halfway harmful. Also 1/6 the amount of nicotine that's in a pack of cigarettes.
1 cigarette- 7,000 chemicals with 250 being considered very harmful.
I'm no expert but it seems vaping is far more healthy than cigarettes and can be a great alternative for people trying to quit the cigarettes entirely.
All the snus pouches contain maltitol and other additives, vaping VG and PG can dry the lungs as its hygroscopic, and patches cost an absolute fortune. We need a consumer viable, cost effective nicotine administration method for those who want to use nicotine.
Also surprised Andrew hasnt spoken about tobaccos MAOI's and its influence on nicotine metabolism. Would like to hear his opinion on this. Perhaps harmala hcl and nicotine salts combined would be the closest comparison to tobacco use..
“We need a consumer viable, cost effective nicotine administration method for those who want to use nicotine.”
You and I must have very different definitions of the term “need.”
do you mean real swedish snus or sinthetic white pouches?
There’s a lot of good relatively inexpensive nicotine gum, and the pharmacy grade stop-smoking aide gums are a bit spendy but don’t have any added chemicals except for flavoring that I’m aware of!
We have one. Disposable vapes.
Chinese vapes have RUINED the public perception and it amazes me that none of you can see it.
Vaping saved lives from smoking for years. Suddenly Chinese vapes hit the market and everything goes to shit.
This whole thing is a display of the utter lack of cognition happening on a communal level.
And guess who wins at the end of this. Tobacco companies.
So good job guys. You're being played like a fiddle.
Just checked the Swedish snus I order in and it does not contain maltitol. From my understanding, Swedish snus has had extensive research done on it and found no real increase in cancer rate over the general population. If you are going to use it, just order direct from Sweden.
Best thing I ever did was quit nicotine. I used CBD concentrate vape cartridges to quit.
I smoke cigarettes, on and off. I've currently quit for the year but I still find a pack every few months eleviates stress and "gives me something to do".
I quit cold turkey, and borrowing a vape from someone for 2 days really helps with the irritable mood.
My mother and sister went directly to vaping full-time after smoking and they have no intentions on stopping. They constantly are telling me to try it when the topic comes up.
I never ever want to pick up that habit. There is something sickly about inhaling the goopy oils, and I do NOT trust companies to sell a safe product. I am really worried what the future implication of this new drug will be.
I will stick to coughing up stinky dark tar because I know people have been doing it for decades.