Hunters have been a bigger problem than mages in sod they can actually slow mobs more efficiently and never have mana issues. If they can have infinite mana so should we.
you really mean to tell me you never saw this before? this is literally 20 years old. the funniest part is you're literally sleeping on the damage aspect of this proc in the video due to being so hyperfocused on the infinite mana aspect. every +100 mana proc is also 100 shadow damage on every target.
Unless it becomes a real problem, then it should be as it is. A game is ment to be fun and obtaining a super rare item that you can have fun with is really nice. Just get rid of all the bots and the rest is fine. Something i have no faith in blizzard to ever care about.
the tracking difference is due to capping mana on procs the details only counts what you actually got back, the weakaura tracks the procs itself the calculate, duh.
It's always been like this? Farmed this out in original classic and always preached about how busted it was for AoE farming. Any good mage knows this though. Why would it need to be nerfed? They literally gave mages healing and more aoe, why draw the line at infinite mana lmfao.
?? im a mage and ill admit living bomb has been busted since day 1. ashenvale? 20 bombs wipes a 120 people, stv before aoe nerfs on alter 20 bombs and you could have cap for team from 41 yards away. now each one of those targets hit from 1 cast can each proc mana regen on a spamable long range, low mana cost, no cd ability. i would like to see it not nerfed but i imagine this is getting too much
People saying its always been like this. You didn't have living bomb in classic. Theres probably some 100% proc chance for living bomb. Arcane explosion was never like this with the dagger.
They shouldn't nerf it. People spent a lot of time to get it. Just let them be busted with it for a phase... Surely there will be better weapons that come out next phase... Though it would be nice to have that as a backup weapon to throw on when you go oom even at 60...
@@Insider9467 nothing needed increased drop chance, not everybody needs to have every item. if its not dropping for you its not dropping for you. simple as that.
Welll dont thnk they will nerf it = otherwise people will just alt Hunters for AoE farming due to their rune which gives them infinite mana AS A RUNE !!! And mages have to farm this crap with a 2% drop chance so.... why nerf it ? it still takes ages to farm.
@@wickedclown192 No it doesn't. Not unless they changed it. I know for a fact it didn't work with blizzard in original classic, because I had the dagger and gold farmed autistically like 10hours a day lol
people finally notice why this had a 0.26% drop rate. sometimes they just shouldn't listen to players. same as phase 3 should have better been off being cooked for another 2-3 weeks.
lol who the fuck cares if they can get fo farm ZF easier? you probably make more money in incursions and you don't need a mage or a 2% dropped item from a boss. lmao
@@akhsdenlew1861 did you just reply to the wrong comment? bc i didn't talk about money, that dagger is BoP and drops from maraudon... and the rest was about p3 feeling unfinished.
@@xMrMayhemx but all that this dagger does, is allowing mages to farm with infinite man.. Farms that are "Vanila" farms. SOD has better farms like incursions, which are suitable for anyone... SO what's the problem that this dagger is causing exactly?
@@akhsdenlew1861 nvm man... you seem like you're only here to argue without really trying to understand what i was saying... all i said was: - p3 was undercooked (which it is) - people start realizing why this is a low drop rate item and that it should have stayed that way because it's kinda busted as you see in the video. both of those things have nothing to do with incursions, money farms or ZF. regardless... since you want to argue... here it is... IMO no single item should have this much impact on gameplay. "INFINITE MANA" can obviously be called "game breaking". Mage solo farming with broken pathing is another issue in itself which should be fixed if you ask me. mages broke ST in a way that they had to remove items from the loot table and i'm pretty sure this will be possible in the new molten core raid in p4 too when it comes out aswell as any following raids. how is combining 2 broken things somehow making the whole thing not broken? do minus and minus go positive in you brain? huh? also: just because there are alternatives that doesn't mean it's ok. also: you need to put up with people and find a group for incursions. also: incursions might not be as profitable after p3. mages will be by just being mages and abusing broken mechanics. also: i see mage heals with this item very much busted and above every other healer now with this item. (at least regarding sustain and constant output) also: heal druids have something like the item effect but less powerful and as a 3 piece set bonus from ST + a rune. how does that relate in any way to the power of this item? also: do we need to trivialize vanilla content even further at this point? i don't see how this was needed. last also: why the flying fuck do you feel the need to start an argument over this outta nowhere when you're in the comment section of a video regarding this obviously "BUSTED" (see video title) item, abusing obviously broken game mechanics? i didn't even say anything relating to shit you mentioned? the item gives you INFINITE MANA... how hard is it to see why this is !!! B R O K E N !!! go argue with staysafetv or the guys breaking the game with this and not some random guy talking about something completely different. wtf man... edit: why did i spent minutes to write up this BS answer? the guy in the video spends like 350 mana and gets back 1400 mana. which person in their right mind tries to argue for this being in the game?????
@@xMrMayhemx you can do whatever u want with this 1 item... and it won't matter. in the end of the day, mages will still find ways to break the game.. the way that mages broke the game in ST trash has nothing to do with the dagger. The droprate cannot stay 0.26% in seasonal server, where everything is just SOOO fast it doesn't make sense. in original classic we had months and months and years to farm it. Not to mention that in classic our classes were far more mana hungry and weak, so this dagger made you truly powerfull. Also the farming methods in classic were pretty much revolved only around mages... in SOD hunters is pretty much the new " better" mage. I dont understand why it is okay for a hunter to have "infinite" mana during his farming, but not for a mage.... At least the mage "worked" for it.. hunter got it for free. Those gold farms are most likely not even relevant due to how OP incursions are and god knows what overpowered shit we're gonna get at lvl 60. They also require some learning and some skill similar to the ulduman farm... not everyone can do it. Incursions can be done even by a braindead person and they are more profitable. Funny how you clinge to the infinite mana arguement due to 1 item, but when you do exactly the same with 1 rune as a hunter , then it's ok. A hunter should NEVER be able to do AOE pulls better than mage.. yet here we are.
Had this in vanilla classic on my mage, this dagger was insane, even more insane in SOD
This helps in aoe farming and speed runs. No nerf needed. Mages aren’t performing like melee toons atm
Mages will be able to heavily abuse ZG aoe farming with this dagger
Hunters have been a bigger problem than mages in sod they can actually slow mobs more efficiently and never have mana issues. If they can have infinite mana so should we.
@@romanmslainebecause one class has something everyone should? I don’t think they should nerf the dagger your argument is just poor
your class does things no mellee class could ever dream off! (And that's fine) Let us be better in single target dps at least lol
@@MF_Zurg This farm has been this way since OG classic
Nerf it? it's only that good for AOE. It's been like this forever.
Came here to say this. I got it in OG Classic and have had pulls of over 10k mana restored.
It was also used for speedrun pulling in BWL when priest's mind vision procced it
Why nerf a 1% drop item
@@hockeyplaya1155 because they're idiots.
you really mean to tell me you never saw this before?
this is literally 20 years old.
the funniest part is you're literally sleeping on the damage aspect of this proc in the video due to being so hyperfocused on the infinite mana aspect.
every +100 mana proc is also 100 shadow damage on every target.
Unless it becomes a real problem, then it should be as it is. A game is ment to be fun and obtaining a super rare item that you can have fun with is really nice. Just get rid of all the bots and the rest is fine. Something i have no faith in blizzard to ever care about.
Staysafe you have been playing classic for how long?
You didn’t know about this weapon till now?
the tracking difference is due to capping mana on procs the details only counts what you actually got back, the weakaura tracks the procs itself the calculate, duh.
It's always been like this? Farmed this out in original classic and always preached about how busted it was for AoE farming. Any good mage knows this though.
Why would it need to be nerfed? They literally gave mages healing and more aoe, why draw the line at infinite mana lmfao.
BoED used to have a chance to proc off of blizzard damage ticks and they nerfed it. I expect this will be nerfed in the same way.
this is how it worked back in classic wow was always this much regen
Comon this dagger was always like this… nothing needs to be nerfed
It is purely for aoe farming
?? im a mage and ill admit living bomb has been busted since day 1. ashenvale? 20 bombs wipes a 120 people, stv before aoe nerfs on alter 20 bombs and you could have cap for team from 41 yards away. now each one of those targets hit from 1 cast can each proc mana regen on a spamable long range, low mana cost, no cd ability. i would like to see it not nerfed but i imagine this is getting too much
This is why its bis for every caster pretty much.
People saying its always been like this. You didn't have living bomb in classic. Theres probably some 100% proc chance for living bomb. Arcane explosion was never like this with the dagger.
More procs, but this is how its always worked. Also each 100 mana you get is also 100 dmg delt to the boss shadow dmg I think
Its always been like this, and its only good for aoe
if anything it needs a buff for single target :)
Does + shadow dmg increase the dmg of the proc ?
no
Spriests make the proc do 40% more damage from talents. That's the only dam increase afaik.
They shouldn't nerf it.
People spent a lot of time to get it.
Just let them be busted with it for a phase...
Surely there will be better weapons that come out next phase...
Though it would be nice to have that as a backup weapon to throw on when you go oom even at 60...
Time spent farming theredras + time spent farming mobs to earn gold vs my $20. Who wins?
The balance is broken and if josh touches the talent trees the game will be more broken.
Nerf inc 100% - they wait until next phase though I think
Its not looking like they are going to patch it.
Its been like this since day 1, minus the 20 spellpower. Does not need nerf.
Oh its had a 2% drop rate since day one???!?!
@@kuyt3400 nope
@@animalm4st3r Thank you! exactly my point!
@@kuyt3400oh we had accelerated seasons before?
@@Insider9467 nothing needed increased drop chance, not everybody needs to have every item. if its not dropping for you its not dropping for you. simple as that.
if they nerf this ill quit, and i dont even have the dagger lol
It just proves they hate fun, literally
Just because of mage will get nerf, mean while on ele bearly working :DDD
Want this for my hunter
A friend of mine got it on his hunter to try out but he was not able to get it to proc on any of his abilities.
You don’t need it as a hunter just toggle viper if you need mana.
@Insider9467 right? Lol it's almost just as good and you don't have to grind forever hoping one day it may drop
Viper and Explosive Trap is 0-100 mana instantly lol
2% drop chance my ass more like .02%
in single target the procrate is dogshit. get 1-2% on my wl
"Is someone from blizzard gonna see the video and nerf it" Uh ya think?
don't nerf it
Working as intended
Welll dont thnk they will nerf it = otherwise people will just alt Hunters for AoE farming due to their rune which gives them infinite mana AS A RUNE !!! And mages have to farm this crap with a 2% drop chance so.... why nerf it ? it still takes ages to farm.
since it only interacts like that with living bomb. just nerf the interaction
Works with arcane explosion too, but no one farms like that anymore lol. Classic was so much cooler. SoD mage farming is so braindead
Works with blizzard as well
@@wickedclown192 No it doesn't. Not unless they changed it.
I know for a fact it didn't work with blizzard in original classic, because I had the dagger and gold farmed autistically like 10hours a day lol
@@Huckle777no blizzard but it works for arcane explosions and cone of cold.
@@Insider9467 Yea I said that :p
Nerf inc!
there going nerf it
wasent it busted in classic era xD nothing new then
nerf incoming
it's easy to get
people finally notice why this had a 0.26% drop rate. sometimes they just shouldn't listen to players. same as phase 3 should have better been off being cooked for another 2-3 weeks.
lol who the fuck cares if they can get fo farm ZF easier?
you probably make more money in incursions and you don't need a mage or a 2% dropped item from a boss.
lmao
@@akhsdenlew1861 did you just reply to the wrong comment? bc i didn't talk about money, that dagger is BoP and drops from maraudon... and the rest was about p3 feeling unfinished.
@@xMrMayhemx but all that this dagger does, is allowing mages to farm with infinite man.. Farms that are "Vanila" farms.
SOD has better farms like incursions, which are suitable for anyone... SO what's the problem that this dagger is causing exactly?
@@akhsdenlew1861 nvm man... you seem like you're only here to argue without really trying to understand what i was saying...
all i said was:
- p3 was undercooked (which it is)
- people start realizing why this is a low drop rate item and that it should have stayed that way because it's kinda busted as you see in the video.
both of those things have nothing to do with incursions, money farms or ZF. regardless... since you want to argue... here it is...
IMO no single item should have this much impact on gameplay. "INFINITE MANA" can obviously be called "game breaking". Mage solo farming with broken pathing is another issue in itself which should be fixed if you ask me. mages broke ST in a way that they had to remove items from the loot table and i'm pretty sure this will be possible in the new molten core raid in p4 too when it comes out aswell as any following raids. how is combining 2 broken things somehow making the whole thing not broken? do minus and minus go positive in you brain? huh?
also: just because there are alternatives that doesn't mean it's ok.
also: you need to put up with people and find a group for incursions.
also: incursions might not be as profitable after p3. mages will be by just being mages and abusing broken mechanics.
also: i see mage heals with this item very much busted and above every other healer now with this item. (at least regarding sustain and constant output)
also: heal druids have something like the item effect but less powerful and as a 3 piece set bonus from ST + a rune. how does that relate in any way to the power of this item?
also: do we need to trivialize vanilla content even further at this point? i don't see how this was needed.
last also: why the flying fuck do you feel the need to start an argument over this outta nowhere when you're in the comment section of a video regarding this obviously "BUSTED" (see video title) item, abusing obviously broken game mechanics? i didn't even say anything relating to shit you mentioned? the item gives you INFINITE MANA... how hard is it to see why this is !!! B R O K E N !!!
go argue with staysafetv or the guys breaking the game with this and not some random guy talking about something completely different. wtf man...
edit: why did i spent minutes to write up this BS answer? the guy in the video spends like 350 mana and gets back 1400 mana. which person in their right mind tries to argue for this being in the game?????
@@xMrMayhemx you can do whatever u want with this 1 item... and it won't matter.
in the end of the day, mages will still find ways to break the game.. the way that mages broke the game in ST trash has nothing to do with the dagger.
The droprate cannot stay 0.26% in seasonal server, where everything is just SOOO fast it doesn't make sense.
in original classic we had months and months and years to farm it.
Not to mention that in classic our classes were far more mana hungry and weak, so this dagger made you truly powerfull.
Also the farming methods in classic were pretty much revolved only around mages... in SOD hunters is pretty much the new " better" mage.
I dont understand why it is okay for a hunter to have "infinite" mana during his farming, but not for a mage....
At least the mage "worked" for it.. hunter got it for free.
Those gold farms are most likely not even relevant due to how OP incursions are and god knows what overpowered shit we're gonna get at lvl 60.
They also require some learning and some skill similar to the ulduman farm... not everyone can do it.
Incursions can be done even by a braindead person and they are more profitable.
Funny how you clinge to the infinite mana arguement due to 1 item, but when you do exactly the same with 1 rune as a hunter , then it's ok.
A hunter should NEVER be able to do AOE pulls better than mage.. yet here we are.
Omg this is some good and over powered it MUST be nerfed i cant even live my life if this doesnt get nerfed
Can’t wait for the caster to complain when it get nerf
its all these people that get items nerfed