Using Leaf Spy and other upgrades!
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2017
- Vlog 57 - I visit a fellow Nissan Leaf owner and plug his LeafSpy into my car. The results are very interesting. He also takes me on a tour of his Leaf and explains the upgrades he has made.
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Brill vlog, always great to get to see info on your car like that, and especially when it’s so positive !
Andy CFR thank you. It’s even better when that info is good news!!
Red is cells balancing, not poor cells
Another great video about EV ownership. It's just so great that people like you are prepared to share your experiences of EV's with others, so they can make informed decisions.
Many, many thanks for all your effort.
Cheers, Dave
David Jebson thank you. It was because of youtubers posing videos that I was confident buying my first EV so I’m glad I can now help others 😁👍
Always enjoy these videos, in passing managed to get from London to near Holsworthy in Devon in an eNV200 with a load of York stone in the back...o e battery top up just south of Bristol (241 miles door to door) so anyone worried about range anxiety...just remember 40kwh would get you to Taunton, though you might be panicking the last few miles!
Thanks again for the vids. PS asked a Nissan dealer about the non LED lights, cost was the answer, bit sad, like wearing flip-flops to your wedding
kangaroogroundboy ha! Like that analogy! The eNV200 is brilliant and as you highlight, 40kwh is enough for most people👍
That is a diagnostic port called an OBD-II which uses a variation of the CAN bus (controller area network). OBD stands for on-board diagnostic. Fun to watch. Thank you.
I am currently reading the LeafSpy manual. It answered many questions I had about the data displayed on the app but not.... What is a "Gid"?
I even read the thread on a leaf forum about it and still don't know.
watt-hours / 80 ??? huh? www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Leaf_Spy_Pro
Gid is a measure of battery capacity. It names after Mr Gid who figured out the battery capacity in a Leaf was measured by 300 blocks. A Leaf has 24,000 Wh battery capacity, so a block has 80 Wh. To recognize his discovery, other people call each block a gid. Since not all capacity is usable, a new battery has about 260 gids.
They always say with laptop batteries the biggest killer is over or under charging. 20 to 80 percent is the safe zone for good health. It sounds like you've naturally stayed in the sweet spot
EV cars have battery management system/software that prevents each 96 cells from being charged too high or too low. It also levels the voltage so the different in voltage between cells is minimized. EV Drivers aren't supposed to have to worry about it. ua-cam.com/video/MZyY1dpka7c/v-deo.html
Hi, I may have missed it in the video, but the 12v battery can be charged if you leave your charger cable connected...I came back to the car just to unplug it, and saw that the right hand (when viewed from the front of the car) blue light was still flashing (not the other two lights). Had to look in the handbook, and it does mention about it.
Edit: mine is a 2017 Leaf Tekna
I think the real thing to watch is heat. My Leaf I had to charge to 100% at home every night, and the last year, I had to QC 3 times per day (up to about 70%). (Have a 120 mile round trip commute) I did eventually drop to 10 bars, but it was a 2012. That was pretty normal for a Leaf battery of that age. Mostly I think because I am in the Pacific Northwest, which is much cooler. If you are in a hot climate, QCs can do more damage because of the increased heat during a QC. That said, recently traded in my Leaf for a Bolt, so now I can get to work and back on a charge with heat, and I only charge at home (L2) to 90%. Loved the Leaf tho, great car... And great vid, thanx. I heartily recommend Leaf Spy. I had the bluetooth / Android version and I just left it in all the time, and used my phone with a mount for my battery percentage display (the 11/12's didn't have one on the dash, just the bars and GOM).
Really interesting as always. In my lurking round the EV scene I've come across the very well known C & C Taxis in Cornwall who have a fleet of Leafs. Their oldest one - Wizzy - was retired recently - 5 years old with 10 bars left and it had been rapid charged over 3,000 times. With no knowledge at all I do wonder if this 20% - 80% stuff is actually valid.
Michael OWEN it’s opened my eyes to how robust the batteries actually are. It was always at the back of my mind the fact I never really look after it but apparently I do 😁👍
Ps you'll never kill your battery mate as it can never run to zero as the manufacturer holds on to 10% the 30kwh has around 27 and the 24 about, 21
and it's worse for my BMW i3s which does not go to a 100% when it says 100% the battery's actually at 92 or 94% and zero is like 10 or 15% when it cuts off like the leaf
I agree 100% with having as many lights LED as possible (especially headlights!) The turn signal lights need to remain incandescent to make the light flasher function properly (I'm sure a small solid state device could replace a flasher, but as much as turn signals are used, I see no point).
All you do is change the flasher relay for one that works with led bulbs. Cost about £5 and take 30 seconds to change !!! The advantage with led indicators is that they are brighter and more crisp in the way they work, so they are more attention-grabbing with other road users.
Old school flasher relays are pretty much obsolete in cars produced over the last ten years or more and solid state circuitry *is* used to flash the lights, usually this circuit is a function of the body control module but sometimes a plug in relay unit with a circuit board inside.
The 'problem' for LEDs is that two important features of the old school moving-contact flasher units had to be emulated by designers to meet homologation requirements.
Firstly a side-effect of the old design meant they would cycle rapidly if the current flowing through them was lower than expected, i.e. if a bulb had failed - this was a cheap and simple way to alert the driver that something was wrong. Secondly the moving contact would make a physical 'tick-tick' noise and it was realised that this was useful to alert the driver that a turn signal was active.
Incidentally the ticking noise you hear these days almost certain not to be flasher relay opening and closing but more likely a sound effect played through a speaker or sounder in the dash. In my other car (Toyota) if you are indicating and unbuckle your seat belt, it stops 'playing' the tick-tick noise and replaces it with the seatbelt chime - presumably because the sound generator only has one channel.
I believe you can get yellow LED light modules with a resistor across them to 'fool' the electronics that they are a working filament lamp - they won't save much energy but would still have the benefit of crisp flashing.
Charging to only 80% seems to drop SoH over time if not DC charging and/or charging to 100% frequently.
I guess it is calibration related - if you constantly remain in the 20-80% SoC range - you are also in the 'flat' part of the battery charge/discharge curve and measurement errors add up over time because you impose only small voltage and current 'deltas' which are more dificult to measure precisely.
I had SoH 89% at odo=4300 km being cautious only charging to 80% - now it shows 94% at odo=6600 km due to more frequent 100% and DC charges.
Rene Bergqvist that seems to be the message I’m getting from a few people. Being careful all the time with your battery may have a detrimental effect 😬
strange I got rid of my nissan leaf after I had it for a year put 10k on it and the battery's soh was 95% mind you the fact that it was slowing down was what scared me into getting rid of it for a bmw i3s which I love for the lack of battery soh loss so far and the fact that it still can reach the same max speed it did when the car was new and it has been through two winters not one like the leaf was through
Amazing video ,thanks. I think the 12v batt is more of a problem, may be all Leafs should have a solar panel to keep the 12v batt charged if you do not use the car for a week or so.
David Fox a solar panel would take away the extra worry. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who opted for one as an extra how they find it? For Chris in this video it wouldn’t be much use as he keeps his Leaf in the garage.
Thats true. As for the new Leaf, slowly warming to it. I still have 2 years to go on my pcp however, if the salesman is to be belived. at the time I got my car he said that I could swap out of it and in to the new one. Now if he gives it to me for the same monthly payments ( I am guessing he should as it is cheaper) then I would be silly not to swap. That extra range would be great for my longer journeys. Keep up the great videos.
David Fox I’m in the same position with my PCP and hoping for the same outcome 😬
cool, we will exchange notes lol
What does the battery line red and blue mean?
Thanks for sharing. What model year is your Nissan Leaf? 3% battery degradation is impressive over 30,000 miles.
icekk007 its a 2015 Tekna. 😁👍
6 years in my leaf is 86% , still totally usable, they say the first % happens the quickest, so I wonder just how long the lizard packs last?
How is it looking now? I’ve got a 2015 this week and it’s at 10 bars. I haven’t got leafspy or anything to get more detailed information
Nobody would do a comparison test on an ICE car after 30k to see what efficiency the engine is running at after that type of usage - but yet our EV's will be held to higher standards for a while until they become the norm.
videogalore you’re right but I do wonder how much efficiency ICE cars loose over the years in comparison.
I'm afraid the only reference point I have was a dyno run that they did on Top Gear a long time ago as one of the challenges to buy a cheap supercar. Purely to see how much horsepower the three cars had left after X years and that was pretty shocking due to the physical wear on various components.
It would be really interesting to see a 30k test on a petrol/diesel Ford Focus etc and also take into account the costs of any servicing/parts that were needed to help it reach 30k in the first place.
If the link will work, it's here at about 5mins in - quite scary, but it's not something Joe Public may consider when looking at their car - ua-cam.com/video/ew5cPCYuA9o/v-deo.html
If the link doesn't work, then this should get you there - "Budget Supercars Part 2 - Top Gear - BBC"
videogalore I remember that episode. I’m sure someone with access to a dyno machine has kept track of their car over the years. Some googling required I think👍
Can you ask him where he got his LED lights from? I'm looking at upgrading as they are useless.
Scottish Leaf Owner he ordered them from a Chinese website (aliexpress or similar). He needed to made some alterations to get the driving lights to fit. I think a search of some Leaf forums will point you in the direction of some that fit straight out of the packet.
Funnily enough I was just talking to someone from Nissan at the launch event ;) one of the reasons I went for the 40kwh instead of wait for the 60kwh version is the evolution of the current leafs battery which is tried and tested over the LG chem versions coming ps event was amazing will upload tomorrow
Fancy a Bev Mate? I’m looking forward to seeing your take on the launch. I’m having a real dilemma at the moment about buying another 24kwh Leaf or waiting for the 30kwh one to fall in price. I just need a second one to commute in 😬
EV Opinion I'd wait until the new year and see if the prices drop, as whilst some people have said on YT they won't be upgrading to the new model, once they have set their eyes on the new one....it is this stunning in the flesh and as Mr carrey once said, B E Autiful ;) the pearlescent white is stunning in RL and I can't stand white normally!
Did you go ahead and use the Leaf Spy app if so what dongle did you buy and where did you buy it ?
I was given a Bluetooth dongle, which is temperamental. I cannot give you a brand name but go for a Wi-fi one as they seem to work well.
Rather surprised to hear that his main battery looses charge whilst not being used, I recently tested this with my 2015 leaf, went on holiday and left it at 49%, returned two weeks later to find it at 50%!
Like you I always charge to 100% though I think you said the opposite at 1:41?
My SOH was 93% a few weeks ago but after two rapids it is back up to 95%
You can see a full manual here www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Leaf_Spy_Pro#Screen_1
Edwyn Corteen The irregular rapid charging seems to be the key. I’ve just played back the part you mentioned. I was explaining that some people do only charge to 80% but I don’t. I don’t want to do anything extra to make an EV work. I just want to charge it and drive 😁👍
Sorry if i already asked u this...They are selling me a 2015 leaf s for $9000 at a dealer with 66,230 miles...or should I buy a 2019 SL with 18,994 miles for $18,197 with one accident though.?? My commute is sometimes 40 miles and other days 60 miles round trip Monday through Friday. Car will be park in driveway here in Fresno California. I will be trading my 2009 Prius for a Nissan leaf.
i AM ONLY LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION AND NOT THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT A DISCREPANCY IN THIS VIDEO
i REALLY HAVE USED YOUR VIDEOS TO HELP GUIDE ME WITH MY NEWLY PURCHASED 2012 LEAF
THAT BEING SAID
I WANT TO GET AS MUCH OUT OF THE BATTERY AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE THE LUXURY OF NOT NEEDING TO GO ANY GREAT DISTANCES.
ON YOUR VIDEO @1:37 YOU MENTION ONLY EVER CHARGING TO 80% NOT LETTING IT GO BELOW 20%
THEN @5:33 YOU MENTION CHARGING TO 100% AND LETTING IT GO BELOW BELOW 20%
WOULD YOU CHARGE MY BATTERY @ 80% OR 100%?........CURRENT STATE OF HEALTH @ 77.54% WITH TEN BARS
I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEOS!!!
Love the channel but please buy a proper re-usable coffee cup, those horrible non-recyclable cups are so bad for the environment :(
FulviaFiend you are absolutely right. It’s like remembering to take reusable bags to the supermarket, I just keep forgetting. I will definitely make an effort to take my own in the future 😁👍
Hi would you know what led he used and where did he get from thanks
I’m afraid I can’t remember. He tried loads and found them on the internet somewhere. I will try to find out for you 👍
My leaf came with LED lights... it depends on your trim!... spy leaf app is great, but you need to know what your reading... I’m guessing none of the people in this video knew how to read the app... red bars on battery cells show that they are balancing against the next cell...(low level balancing in better... leave the battery pack at lower charge state... let it balance, rather then charge it and let it balance) The big question of charging to 100% or 80%, it’s simple ... every Nissan Leaf batter pack will only charge to 92%... set your charge limit to 100% because the difference between the two will not increase the life of the pack... each battery cell in the pack is made and balanced in the factory, it’s actual real life test is a guess... most battery’s, like to be drawn down and charged before they settle, that rule is what everyone need to follow... flatten it and charge it.... simple!... once every 3 months flatten the battery and leave it for a couple of hours... charge and use it... this will let the battery low level balance...then charge it and let it rest... unplug ... leave for an hour replug and let it top off