Nice cast! however from many of the instructions I viewed and had conversations with from very respected spayorama casters. They don’t show a dip at the start of the sweep, many state to raise the rod slow and point to the intended target and sweep in one fluid motion. I’m just trying to improve and not trying to a conflict with your illustration, just trying to understand what is right (not likely a right or wrong). But you state the most important part is the slight dip but you don’t say why. I assume it’s so your anchor glides down to anchor but can that be accomplished without the dip? Thanks in advance Ian and your new rods looks interesting
Hi Robert. Many thanks for the question, it’s an important one because, due to the different techniques involved, there is much confusion on the part of many people. I really like the question so will make a video and explain why. Basically, you’re right, it’s about anchor placement an it’s relevance in a particular “fishing” scenario. I mention fishing over casting here as the Spey cast was originally designed to enable us to cast whilst, depending on the length of the line, keeping 30-40% of the line in front caster. In making a “Spey” and not a tournament cast, the anchor must be place in front this leaving enough space for the D loop to develop before being compromised by obstacles behind. The fundamentals of the Tournament cast is different, this was developed on the Ness, a wide river with gravel bars, where there are few obstacles behind the caster. In this cast, due to the fact there is little or no obstacles behind, we can carry much more line behind the caster, so in essence, because of anchor placement the Tournament casting is a different discipline with a cycle much more atoned to an overhead cast than an original Spey where the drop or dip of the rod ensures the anchor can be placed in such a place that D Loop is not compromised by obstacles behind when casting a medium to long line. Achieving this can only be done if the rod begins the swing or sweep from a position, not pointing at, but parallel to the bank or at right angles to the target. Thus ensuring the anchor is placed well in front of the caster. The turn of the body then brings everything back on line for the beginning of forward cast. Depending on what it is you want to achieve both work well. The Tournament cast with 90% of the line behind the caster is more efficient for distance, but can’t be used when fishing a long line on the Spey. I’ll explain the difference, and importantly why, In the video. Many thanks for the great question.
@@IanGordonsalmonfishing Thanks for the thorough response Ian, as I’m more and more obsessed with improving my casting I find that small nuances make a difference in consistency especially if practised and put into muscle memory. For reference, I cast a 65’ line and much of the time without obstacles behind me. I’m definitely a fan of yours Ian and I’m anxious to see your next video explaining this as it’s a topic discussed on many river banks here in Canada. Also would be nice to see your new line of Cadence rods in action as well.
Fantastic explanation Ian. Many people don't realize that the culture of American West Coast Spey casting was born of tournament casters who started with the underhand cast used in ACA competition which is no Spey cast at all! In 1980 there might have been five people in California who had ever seen a real Spey cast...I was desperately trying to become the sixth! Kelson and Grant haunted me mercilessly. Jim Vincent who founded Rio fly lines was the first person I saw who had any real clue. This was the year prior to founding Rio. I wish I could remember the name of the guide who showed him. Jim and his wife Kitty were among the top two or three fly fishing photographers at the time and had just returned from fishing the Dean River with a real practitioner. Might have been Mike...? I had been trying to sort it out on a Couple of rods we had hanging in the shop...both cane. A Hardy and a Farlowe. There was a greenheart rod as well but unusable. No matter, I was failing until Jimmy turned on the light. To this day I still only use the single and double plus the snake roll. I did eventually learn to throw that longer D loop but it is useless on all but a few larger rivers with low clean banks behind you. I have never felt handicapped by my choices of technique. Love your content. Cheers!
Just got my first Spey rod, looking forward to get out to use it and really hope I can cast like you someday. Beautiful cast 👌🏻
Take time to master the simple basics. Its basically a compact double haul. Master this and your 90% of the way there.
I'll do another little video showing this in the next days.
Super video this one, explained and broken down so well 👍
A beautiful thing to watch
I enjoyed this video. Also tool a lot information.
Glad to hear you took something good out of it.
Nice cast! however from many of the instructions I viewed and had conversations with from very respected spayorama casters. They don’t show a dip at the start of the sweep, many state to raise the rod slow and point to the intended target and sweep in one fluid motion. I’m just trying to improve and not trying to a conflict with your illustration, just trying to understand what is right (not likely a right or wrong). But you state the most important part is the slight dip but you don’t say why. I assume it’s so your anchor glides down to anchor but can that be accomplished without the dip? Thanks in advance Ian and your new rods looks interesting
Hi Robert. Many thanks for the question, it’s an important one because, due to the different techniques involved, there is much confusion on the part of many people.
I really like the question so will make a video and explain why.
Basically, you’re right, it’s about anchor placement an it’s relevance in a particular “fishing” scenario. I mention fishing over casting here as the Spey cast was originally designed to enable us to cast whilst, depending on the length of the line, keeping 30-40% of the line in front caster. In making a “Spey” and not a tournament cast, the anchor must be place in front this leaving enough space for the D loop to develop before being compromised by obstacles behind. The fundamentals of the Tournament cast is different, this was developed on the Ness, a wide river with gravel bars, where there are few obstacles behind the caster. In this cast, due to the fact there is little or no obstacles behind, we can carry much more line behind the caster, so in essence, because of anchor placement the Tournament casting is a different discipline with a cycle much more atoned to an overhead cast than an original Spey where the drop or dip of the rod ensures the anchor can be placed in such a place that D Loop is not compromised by obstacles behind when casting a medium to long line. Achieving this can only be done if the rod begins the swing or sweep from a position, not pointing at, but parallel to the bank or at right angles to the target. Thus ensuring the anchor is placed well in front of the caster. The turn of the body then brings everything back on line for the beginning of forward cast.
Depending on what it is you want to achieve both work well. The Tournament cast with 90% of the line behind the caster is more efficient for distance, but can’t be used when fishing a long line on the Spey. I’ll explain the difference, and importantly why, In the video. Many thanks for the great question.
@@IanGordonsalmonfishing Thanks for the thorough response Ian, as I’m more and more obsessed with improving my casting I find that small nuances make a difference in consistency especially if practised and put into muscle memory. For reference, I cast a 65’ line and much of the time without obstacles behind me. I’m definitely a fan of yours Ian and I’m anxious to see your next video explaining this as it’s a topic discussed on many river banks here in Canada. Also would be nice to see your new line of Cadence rods in action as well.
Fantastic explanation Ian.
Many people don't realize that the culture of American West Coast Spey casting was born of tournament casters who started with the underhand cast used in ACA competition which is no Spey cast at all! In 1980 there might have been five people in California who had ever seen a real Spey cast...I was desperately trying to become the sixth! Kelson and Grant haunted me mercilessly.
Jim Vincent who founded Rio fly lines was the first person I saw who had any real clue. This was the year prior to founding Rio. I wish I could remember the name of the guide who showed him. Jim and his wife Kitty were among the top two or three fly fishing photographers at the time and had just returned from fishing the Dean River with a real practitioner.
Might have been Mike...?
I had been trying to sort it out on a Couple of rods we had hanging in the shop...both cane. A Hardy and a Farlowe. There was a greenheart rod as well but unusable. No matter, I was failing until Jimmy turned on the light.
To this day I still only use the single and double plus the snake roll.
I did eventually learn to throw that longer D loop but it is useless on all but a few larger rivers with low clean banks behind you.
I have never felt handicapped by my choices of technique.
Love your content.
Cheers!
Did you ever make this video Ian ? Thanks @@IanGordonsalmonfishing
@@johnsmith-ls4rc No, not yet but I will do it and let you know John.
Would you recommend Hardy Marksman 2T 15 '# 10 to practice this technique with long line ?
Roman Momot yes, this is a perfect rod for practicing with a longer line.
Haw long is line in this demo?
60 foot acting head.
Süper nature👏👏👏👏
1st