@@NerdPirateRadio I bought 7 dollar monotor and knew the reason why it is so cheap. 19 inches one but had the coffee spilt on it and I opened it to clean it. Films I cautiously detached and then I saw hatchery of 🪳s and babies. But luckily the seller put that in his office or garage so long time it seemed to be, because all of them were dead.
It's been a while since I saw a GTX 1060 being bottlenecked. That's a change of pace from seeing the 4090 being a bottleneck in some recent and extremely optimized (/s) games.
Have you ever done a video about the old AMD Dual Graphics setup? Where you crossfire an APU with a discrete GPU? I believe that was a trick the A10-7850K was capable of, but only with a very small number of DGPUs.
Ya that was about the best parlor trick you could do with these things since the PCI express bandwidth made it terrible to use with any mid to high end cards of the time period. IIRC, though, people complained about poor frame times due to the nature of Crossfire. It would still make for an interesting video! The R7 250 also works in dual graphics mode, but the 250X does not.
@@RandomGaminginHD If that is so, then it should also work with the OEM Radeon HD8570, which is a re-branded/Back-branded R7 250. I always liked the Radeon HD8000 series. It was a kind of lost generation of Radeons.
Fm2+ socket was my experience of HOW NOT! to buy a new gaming PC. Few years ago, in my country (Brazil, wecolme) some online vendors and sellers were using marketplaces to sell pre-built pc games with accessible price, but most of them were Fm2 plus or old Sandy bridge intels. I had the unfortunate of buying one with the A4 7300 dual core chip and it even had no dedicate GPU, only the Igpu. At first i used for minecraft, csgo, LoL and half life 2 games and the gpu could handle just fine, but the cpu was a terrible bottleneck. Even in idle, it uses 50 or 70% of performance just by running windows. 2 years later i managed to change the cpu for an Atlhon X4 860k quad core, which has a huge performance than A4, but low core performance and high TDP sucked a lot in fewer games. The suffering ended when my Motherboard died and I bought new parts, and changed to Ryzen 5 pro 4650G, since gpus at time were so expensive, and the performance still holds anything, even modern games, in pair with an RTX 2060
@@aleksazunjic9672 The problem is that the chip in the video was released in 2015, well within PS4 era. And at the time literally any Intel CPU in the core era except maybe pentiums and celerons would demolish this. Timing matters a lot when it comes to chip releases, this in the early PS3 era would've been one hell of a CPU, not so much when it actually came out. I think a good comparison would be like if AMD released the 2200G now instead of 4 years ago.
I'm also Brazilian and there are a lot of shady sellers here who will sell you a "gaming computer" with 10 year old parts and it's just sad how many people get tricked. But it doesn't help that a modern gaming computer here is extremely expensive due to the exorbitant tariffs :(
Bottlenecks are also due to memory shifts (due to shared memory for graphics) and i/o issues with hard disks. I tweaked A8/A10 and Intel Atom to the maximum possible, even got better fps in GTA V with that 7650K than the specs showed here with single channel RAM (12GB)
Man next to Budget Builds Official and RandomGaminginHD I will never get tired of seeing cheap gaming pcs that were purchased from the used marketplace. Its just something about seeing these pcs getting a second chance that just makes me happy.
I love these experiments with older hardware. Real world computing for many people. I recently resurrected an old family PC for my nephews. Asrock FM2+ based, A10 7700K, SSD boot and mechanical HD for storage, 16gb RAM. I added a GTX970, replaced a dead HD and a front fan to help the airflow. The motherboard BIOS needed updating as it was overvolting badly at default, with scary temperatures and throttling. It still was with the new BIOS, though less so, so I manually undervolted the CPU. It could overclock with a better cooler, but the naked and ropy VRMs would hold it back. The good news was that it ran Total War Warhammer 2 well - the battle benchmark on medium settings and large units was 59 FPS, with some patches of 42 FPS. And in this real world of low income computing, the GTX 970 is still good enough to carry over to the next, more significant, upgrade - I'd happily pair it with a Ryzen and it would play their whole Steam library with ease.
To think I'm watching you for 4 years. Thanks for the great videos. And inspiring me to build a pc again. I'm haven't touched my ps4 in a looong time lol!! All of the best guys
I have a heavily overclocked A10-7870K at 4.5GHz/4.7GHz boost paired up with two R7 250 2GB DDR3 cards in CFx. In my limited experience with the platform: 1.- These chips perform better when you don't use the iGPU, using it means that the APU has to cut some frequency off the CPU cores, making them back down into C3-C4 core states, being very low (3.0GHz or smh on my case) due to Asfuck (asrock) getting wrong the VRMs and cooking the boards when both CPU and iGPU get hammered at the same time, and also to keep within the TDP limits in TDP-enforced models (Non-K ones). Disabling the iGPU frees up some RAM bandwidth that the chip can benefit from when overclocked. 2.- The cores need some seriously high frequency to run anything remotely modern, at 4.5GHz some modern stuff actually doesn't drop from 30FPS, but on stock these things suck hard, especially the A8s and Quadcore A6s due to the inherent low frequencies, being equal or lower than 3.6GHz, and getting further gimped down when using the iGPU. 3.- Memory frequency is king, in my experience, anything lower than 1866MHz DDR3 will cause severe bottlenecks on even iGPU-less chips (such as the Athlon x4 8xx ones), the only ones that will run ok with such subpar memory are the Dual core A4s or shit-grade E2s. RAM at 2133MHz is the standard for K chips, and I have seen some chips handling up to 2666MHz DDR3, the higher the RAM frequency is, the higher the increases in the efficiency of overclocks. You could play around with some spare parts and check how the results vary. Anyways, this was a good video, keep it up man!
Vsync is your friend when you have a cpu & gpu combo like this. You could probably overclock the cpu to 4ghz, it needs all the help it can get with a gtx 1060. Good video.
there is just something special about your garden b-roll it's just nice! don't know if I was out of the loop a few years ago, but never actually heard of this socket, although well, I was more of an intel fanboy back then, started daily driving am4 ever since
Considering how small the board is it would probably make a damn good HTPC. IIRC Amernime drivers still work on those and should allow for HW accelerated video decoding.
Spent this evening undervolting and overclocking my Aliexpress RX580, for little temp increase I managed to gain a fair amount of framies and rig is liking the new card. I did actually give this Coolermaster HAF-XM ginormous case a thorough clean down, sink of soapy hot water and in went the front panel, the 5.25 blanks, the 2 SATA hotswap modules, top section and scrubbed down with a scrubber and allowed to dry with a cautionary blow through of the meshes to get the last drips. Case is now like brand new and whilst doing that I ran contact cleaner in the front USB ports and into the top buttons, all gleaming and even had the 240mm LED fan out from behind front panel and made that shine again. Got caught out buying a cheapo 2tb HDD, seller didn't mention it was an SAS connector so just had to buy an adapter, bought as my two 1tb HDD's are both over 10 years old and are needing retirement.
My original "gaming" PC back in junior high had a similar albeit slightly older A10 CPU. Worked fine for Terraria and Minecraft. Eventually added in a 750ti shortly after that came out for $150 or so. Finally I could play proper 3D games! I still remember stressing out about whether the case could fit a 2-slot card because I hadn't touched a GPU before and had no context for how "slots" work. It eventually received an SSD and served as a home theater PC for a couple years and then retired to a corner in my basement.
Before I bought the GTX 1070, I played Cyberpunk at low with high textures 1080p with an average of 40 FPS, no problem, with GTX 1060 3Gb. It's a capable card to this day. CPU was at first an I3 8100, then I found a cheap i5 9400. The I3 stuttered like crazy at times, the i5 has no issues.
I had an A8 6000 series APU once, it was quite remarkable just how inefficient it was, great for cooking breakfast and not much else. Pretty much anything else from that time would be a better choice. I have a 4th gen i5 35w chip that runs rings around it. Shows how far they have come, I like the Ryzen APUs so much I bought two of them!
This is the only channel I have on notification and there are 2 major reasons, I love the dark seedy side of used tech and days gone by tech reviews as I wallow in this tech AND that he is to tech what Ashens is to crappy sad onion kids toys. I would buy a used car, used pc and used kids toys from you both. Cheers for the content. Back to listening
I love your videos and cheap secondhand stuff in general - you focus on gaming of course but lets not forget with an SSD this is a perfectly fine desktop system for general use and any much older or less intensive games!
The A8-7650K is just not going to cut it. I have one sitting in its board on my shelf with 16GB 2133 DDR3. The RAM didn't help. Even with a lower range card like the R7 360 2GB DDR5, it was a stutter fest at anything over 720p. I haven't even wanted to turn it into a server or an office PC. So disappointed with FM2.
I use these A8 APUs on FM2(+) mainboards for my servers. These FM2 boards usually have a ton of SATA connectors, which is great for file-servers. The machines perform solid in their tasks, being basically just NAS. Yes, nowadays the power efficiency could be better (but is still decent). However, I wouldn't use them as daily drivers.
This is true. Currently I am using a Gigabyte F2A88XM-HD3 (FM2+) board with 8 SATA connectors and A6-5400K for my Unraid server and it does well on it's function (not using any VM, and using only Jellyfin docker). Will be upgrading the CPU to A8-7650K after I test for stability.
I bought a "gaming pc" for $360 a while ago, with an i7-3470 and a 1050ti, 8GB of RAM, 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD. I swapped out the 3470 with a i7-2600, upgraded to 16GB of RAM, swapped out the main SSD for a 512 GB with 3 used 1TB HDDs, and since the 1050ti was a low profile variant I was able to sell it for $130 (would've sold it for more but it had a dead fan) and bought myself a 1070 for the same exact price. It runs okay, pretty CPU limited in just about everything, but I'm saving up to upgrade to 10th Gen. I'd be interested in seeing your take on a build like this, like you said at the end of the video.
The AMD A8-7650k was the CPU in the first "gaming" PC I ever got, so many memories made on it, ran a 7770 on it for a while and eventually some GTX 500 series card I forgot which one. So much stuttering, lots of crashing and the horribly loud noise it used to make for such abysmal performance. It's nostalgic in a way but not the fond kind.
If anyone was wondering how that chocolate and/or caramel stain got in there, it was probably just Dave eating a snickers while cleaning the pc before shooting. Either that or some sneaky dog died in there
My father in law still rocks an athlon ii 845 in his secondary system and it works fine, office/windows/browsing mostly. Its paired with an r7 260x and it can play Diablo III in 1080p quite good.
When it came to RDR2, I noticed the VRAM was pretty dang close to maxing out, maybe do a test to see what lower resolution (maybe 900p) or lower textures (maybe medium instead of high) and see how much performance is changed as a result)?
I'm just upgrading my company's last FM2+ system with a new ryzen build and it will become my next HTPC pairing it with my RX480 8gb. It'll be an amazing system for the use. My previous FM2+ system became the NAS.
Be nice to see what an Athlon 880K could do with that GPU in that rig. It's like 20-25% faster iirc. But they are rather rare in the wild. This socket was made for cheap PCs and All-In-Ones. The weak CPUs combined with crap hard drives and 2GB ram in cheap All-In-Ones made many customers think AMD was garbage CPUs.
The FM2+ socket systems are just too far gone. I would even hesitate to use it for an always on Linux file server, due to 95W TDP. The case, RAM and HDD might be nice spare/upgrade parts to have around.
oh man, I've been trying to use old parts I have in my pc collection (especially duplicate platforms) to build pcs and flip them. I was able to turn x58 mobos with 6 core 12 thread xeons and even Phenom 2 X6 AM3 builds into functional gaming pcs But the FM2+. Ugh. Granted the mobo I was using sucked, and I couldn't even OC the cpu past 4.0ghzm but man was performance horrible.
Thanks for another great video, mate! May I suggest a DDR3 + i7-3770 (k or not), but in a Chinese mobo w/ a M.2 NVMe drive or at least a SATA 6gb/s and the GTX 1060 :D
currently not in the garden, but sat behind a small pile of laptops, I have an Asus all-in-one pc that cashies forgot to format - and so, I had to do that myself... PITA plus some. will consider an SSD at some point - now isn't the right time (I live in the flat that jack built. and it needs some major work doing on it.) but I plan to upgrade the ram at some point too. absolutely love cashies - bought a few laptops - the cheapest being a £20 toshiba lappy with no operating system and 4Gb of ddr3 ram and a random stick of 2Gb ddr3 ram. I struggled to get anything installed it was that slow, but ended up going for linux lite - which works fine. I just wanted something that would play a dvd while I was in bed - that's it. and it does the job. £30 on a 4k camcorder = perfect! currently scouring three local cashies online... I don't need more tech, but, I just want to keep my skills sharp 😁
As a fellow system builder.. I will frequently "draw a line in the sand" and will not work on PC's older than a certain age. Personally, I "retired" from using any FM2 CPU's over 2 years ago.... Keep up the good work!! Even failures provide valuable data!!
I had an Athlon 860k rig back in the day with a GTX 960. It was really weird pairing a £50 CPU with a motherboard that could do 3 or 4 way crossfire (second hand) and a fairly decent (for the time) GPU, but it worked. It could play near enough anything I asked of it, when heavily overclocked (something that both it and the mobo were very good at). I even had it running cyberpunk at around 30fps, with everything turned down & heavy FSR (life) support, but it could do it. It's a shame AMD abandoned the platform so rapidly to the point where any upgrades over my CPU simply weren't worth it.
FM2 was a dead end though. Zen took all the resources they could've funneled into keeping it alive and the change definitely paid off. Look where we're at today! Has been a wild 5 years for CPUs.
Gotta love that "Jewel" channel RAM. (Not sure why certain accents make it sound like this. Notice the same thing when Steve from hardware unboxed says the word dual.)
FM1 / FM2 with the igpu are very good for WinXP retro gaming with low power consumption (15 watts desktop 50 watts while gaming), try that with an athlon xp or pentium 4 pc...
I had that cpu and MOBO pairetd with a radeon hd 3600 I think? Horrible memories of low FPS and budget gaming, every new part I scrounged the money for was like a gift on christmas, now I buy the parts stock and build it with little to no enthusiasm, the budget limitations were half the fun of building a PC
Looking forward to the one where you do a build on a budget - hopefully it will perform better than this thing did! Yeah, anything that is pre-Ryzen, on the AMD platform, just isn't worth doing. So AM3, FM2, FM2+, FM1, etc etc. That 1060 is really under utilized, even though I would stay away from the 3GB card and instead get the 6GB card, or the 105Ti - you won't be able to use a 3GB 1060 to its full potential because it will run out of VRAM before you reach the limits of the processing power of the card itself.
On the other hand, my fx6300 (stock, but with a good air cooler) and fx8350 (@4.6, with liquid) power their rx570 and rx580 GPUs well enough to get playable frame rates in demanding games. Cyberpunk included. I also tried a GTX1660ti with the faster fx and it was even better. I wouldn't build these if I were buying the parts now, but they are still useful ten years in and sensible upgrades work well.
@@Nick_R_ Wow, electricity must be cheap where you live! Your fx8350 is slower than a shitty Ryzen 1200. Ryzen 3600 is about 3x faster, while still using 2x less electricity...
@@kmieciu4ever The difference between the Ryzen 3600, stock and the OC'ed fx8350 is about 5p an hour. Less if you deduct the additional consumption by other components that result from running faster.
I have actually had 2 of these systems. One I pulled out of the garbage and one came from ebay as a motherboard CPU and RAM for 40 dollars. The garbage dump system was an a6 3670. The ebay one is a8 3870k that will overclock quite high, about 4.3 ghz I think, and it makes a pretty big difference. The a6 system was really terrible. I tried it with an rx460 2 gig card and it was very similar to this video. The card was only pushed to about a max of 50 percent utilization. The a8 system with the overclock was a decent match for the 460 though. Still, not a good value system but it satisfied my curiosity about this old platform.
0:33 I mean you could always go up to an a10 6800k, it isn't much better but it's just enough to where it will make a difference. I had that as my first pc and I ran it with a 1060 3gb. It ran quite well
My gym-pc is still running the fm2 socket, cpu is an A10 6800K, gpu is a 1650 gddr6. It stil works fine for it's intended purpose, basicly running spotify and youtube, but it also runs older games just fine, so for now it is gong nowhere :)
My old PC was FX 6300 CPU alongside R7 260x GPU. Seemed "powerful" in 2013 when I built it. But suddenly after the Ryzen CPUs appeared I realised that the FX 6300 was a fraction of the Ryzen's power.
You could swap out the CPU for an FX 6350 6 core 4.2Ghz chip and replace the mechanical HDD with a 500GB SanDisk Ultra 3D SATA 3 SSD for about £20 - £30 each. So for about 40 or so quid you can give that machine a proper CPU upgrade and have a much easier time selling it. I'd keep the mechanical drive as a mass storage option and put the Windows 10 install on an SSD. But definitely get rid of that low end CPU, otherwise you'll be hard pressed to do better than giving it away. A 40 to50 pound investment would elevate that machine to sellable.
I have one of those type of AMD sockets in my home media server. It has 16g RAM too. Its a A10-6800k and it works great for that, a server. It has a nVidia GTX970 as its GPU.
I find this much more entertaining than watching yet another UA-camr with a 4090 that does exactly as expected. It's much more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. Old and slow computers that run faster than they should is much more fun to watch than yet an over-priced top spec-ed build that surprises no one with its expected speed and boredom. Snooze. Instead, give me Cyberpunk at 12 fps on a 30 year old desktop.
I remember dreaming of having one of these because it was compatible with my a4 33xx something pc, as it had like double the performance in games like CSGO
Could you test out the NVME M.2 to PCIE adapter?? You can add a full graphics card to a mini pc and it’s less of a bottleneck than thunderbolt enclosure, and cheaper than the enclosure!!
I wonder IF the nVidia Driver Overhead affects older CPU's like this one more so than a more current CPU ? As an AMD 200 or 300 series GPU maybe a better pairing but since this is an older CPU it may not make much of a difference.
I think I can answer both your questions. 1) No. Any capable GPU is going to be so CPU limited under any circumstance, any perceivable "driver overhead" would be lost in the massive bottleneck that already exists. If you go far back enough to an Nvidia GPU that makes sense for the A8 7650k such as the GTX 460 or GTX 560 -- Nvidia was still using hardware scheduler on those microarchitectures - so they had no driver overhead. I believe Nvidia switched to software scheduler with Kepler (GTX 600 series) which is the first generation capable of showing any sort of driver overhead. Perhaps something like the GTX 650 would be good enough to show driver overhead compared to say an R9 260 or 270 but I have a suspicion both would still be CPU bottlenecked. 2.) I used to have an A6 3620 APU (Socket FM1) and even with an R9 280 it was heavily CPU constrained. I had plenty of stutter and poor performance even with reduced quality settings just trying to run Overwatch 1 back in 2016. Upgraded to a Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017 and it was night-and-day performance difference. Socket FM1 really was that bad. That being said for an APU that could run most games of the time decently well, I managed to play games such as Borderlands 1 & 2, Skyrim, and Bioshock Infinite on that little A6 3620. With enough graphics and .ini tweaking I had pretty reasonable 40-50 FPS in most of those games with decent looking textures at the cost of terrible anti-aliasing, shadows, and ambient occlusion.
In 2014 I had an Athlon X4 860k FM2+ 8GB DDR3 and a RX 470. The PC was a disaster... I wanted it so bad and when I finally build the pc it was pretty weak because of the cpu.
Maybe goin higher in resolution will make some framerates better . I had a amd athlon fx before with a r9 270x . The cpu was a bottleneck when i made the resolution 1440p it run better than at 1080p since the gpu was doin most of the work at that point . When i did it i was like what the heck is happening here i remember 😂
i picked up a wx4100 4gb for $50 aussie dollars the other day. Holds 1200mhz with a bios flash to 0.95v, 65w tdp, 1200 core and 1700mhz vram. Performs pretty much the same as an rx 460 but chews next to nothing. Worls well in my old i7 6700 dell optiplex sff being a single slot card.
Can you try making a build with Core 2 Quad and see how it fares against this one? It'd be interesting since they're about 5 years old at least when this was launched but I believe they're still kinda cool. Especially the Q9650 or an OC Q6600
I know someone who used a A10-7850K with a HD7970 and even that GPU will bottleneck that APU in most games even though the GPU is 3 years older than the A10.
Odd that GTA V was doing so badly. I have an A8 5600k which is similar but older, it had no problems running GTA V at normal settings with an HD 7850. Perhaps it's windows 10 or Nvidia driver overhead holdimg the CPU back?
i currently have a a10-6600k paired with a 750ti it has 32gb ram with a ssd/hd combo. The sweet spot i found on games is 1600x900 seems to run games quite well
3570K + 1650S, 16gb on sata ssd for my 4yo last son, cost "nothing" works very good for the games he play in 1080p (sea of thieve, minecraft, roblox, human fall flat...)
tbh my i7 2600 i had was even holding back my 1060 3gb, as i saw more performance when i swapped it out for an i7 4790 - then again i reused my 16gb of DDR3 and that ran faster as the 1060 wont run it faster than 1333mhz, plus i think the 4790 uses a faster version of PCI-Express. i'll take it over a 1050 ti
These CPU's were designed as low end office PC's meant for only using word documents and light internet browsing. Other than that these CPUs won't do much of anything. My Dad has an old A8-7410 and all it can do is light Google Chrome and basic office program usage. It does great for him as that is all he does but I sure wouldn't want it as my daily driver. I am a power user lol
¿How good is that A8 CPU for watching youtube videos while using microsoft word and powerpoint? ¿Can it do that without slowing down or becoming sluggish ?
@@bryanalejandrofigueroagarz8633 It can run those programs simultaneously but it does get sluggish. For example. UA-cam on Google Chrome does take a bit of time to load up and get going. I would say like 5 seconds at maximum. Also when you try to press fullscreen it takes like 5-10 seconds maximum depending on what other programs you have going for it to get into full screen UA-cam. It is all possible if you are willing to have to wait for things to take their time loading AKA sluggishness. Your best bet is to have the most BARE BONES Windows 10 install with all the fancy stuff turned off. Only have programs you absolutely need running. Its capable of handling basic stuff fairly okay. But like I said I am a power user and couldn't stand it. I have a Ryzen 7 5700X 16GB 3200 MHz ram and a RTX 3060 12 GB and also SATA SSD's so my programs open instantly and snappy.
It's a shame that the FM CPU are so bad in these days.. I have one for a Windows 7 build to play some older games. :D I've tested it with a GTX 1630, but the GPU is still more powerful than this CPU. :') But Forza and RDR2 are running better than i thought.
You're quite a bit better off using an AMD GPU on these older, low core-count CPUs. The Nvidia drivers have quite a bit of overhead compared to the Radeon drivers. RX 560 4GB is a really good match for these CPUs. A10-7950 with and all core OC might actually show a bit of an uplift as well.
That's expected. In 2023 any AMD chip older than Zen 1 is not worth getting unless free or at dirt cheap pricing. That said i was surprised at how well it did on RDR2, not great but bordering playable.And of course it's probably fine as an office PC as long as it has a SSD.
Love your garden pc videos.. please never change. Something so comforting about a pc sitting out in the grass
I like them too
@@airmicrobe yeah, but remember the time the worm got in. nightmare.
@@NerdPirateRadio I bought 7 dollar monotor and knew the reason why it is so cheap. 19 inches one but had the coffee spilt on it and I opened it to clean it. Films I cautiously detached and then I saw hatchery of 🪳s and babies. But luckily the seller put that in his office or garage so long time it seemed to be, because all of them were dead.
@@NerdPirateRadio I'm glad we as a community survived the worm event
@@connors3356 Agreed, hopefully none of our brothers and sisters were permanently scarred.
It's been a while since I saw a GTX 1060 being bottlenecked. That's a change of pace from seeing the 4090 being a bottleneck in some recent and extremely optimized (/s) games.
Yeah haha
@@RandomGaminginHD motivated me to find my old 3770k PC and see where it stands today!
@@RandomGaminginHD Plot twist - it was neither chocolate nor caramel... 😉
Not to mention this is the 1060 that should have been named 1050 ti, as it's got a much weaker gpu than the full fat 6gb version
@@RandomGaminginHD whats faster fx 4130 or this pc or even ryzen 1200
Have you ever done a video about the old AMD Dual Graphics setup? Where you crossfire an APU with a discrete GPU? I believe that was a trick the A10-7850K was capable of, but only with a very small number of DGPUs.
Yeah I think it works with the r7 240 will have to try it!
Ya that was about the best parlor trick you could do with these things since the PCI express bandwidth made it terrible to use with any mid to high end cards of the time period. IIRC, though, people complained about poor frame times due to the nature of Crossfire. It would still make for an interesting video! The R7 250 also works in dual graphics mode, but the 250X does not.
for those 76xx, 78xx and 8750, better pair it with R7 250 or 270.
@@RandomGaminginHD That would be a fun unexpected video. "This is the last time you'll see this... oh wait..."
@@RandomGaminginHD If that is so, then it should also work with the OEM Radeon HD8570, which is a re-branded/Back-branded R7 250.
I always liked the Radeon HD8000 series. It was a kind of lost generation of Radeons.
Fm2+ socket was my experience of HOW NOT! to buy a new gaming PC.
Few years ago, in my country (Brazil, wecolme) some online vendors and sellers were using marketplaces to sell pre-built pc games with accessible price, but most of them were Fm2 plus or old Sandy bridge intels. I had the unfortunate of buying one with the A4 7300 dual core chip and it even had no dedicate GPU, only the Igpu. At first i used for minecraft, csgo, LoL and half life 2 games and the gpu could handle just fine, but the cpu was a terrible bottleneck. Even in idle, it uses 50 or 70% of performance just by running windows. 2 years later i managed to change the cpu for an Atlhon X4 860k quad core, which has a huge performance than A4, but low core performance and high TDP sucked a lot in fewer games. The suffering ended when my Motherboard died and I bought new parts, and changed to Ryzen 5 pro 4650G, since gpus at time were so expensive, and the performance still holds anything, even modern games, in pair with an RTX 2060
I had a fm1 socket with the fast cpu in that time.
And yes it run wow and starwars online.
And that is it .
Later a gpu in it.
Depends a lot on what were you trying to play. FM2+ was okay for games released in PS2 and PS3 era .
@@aleksazunjic9672 The problem is that the chip in the video was released in 2015, well within PS4 era. And at the time literally any Intel CPU in the core era except maybe pentiums and celerons would demolish this. Timing matters a lot when it comes to chip releases, this in the early PS3 era would've been one hell of a CPU, not so much when it actually came out. I think a good comparison would be like if AMD released the 2200G now instead of 4 years ago.
I'm also Brazilian and there are a lot of shady sellers here who will sell you a "gaming computer" with 10 year old parts and it's just sad how many people get tricked. But it doesn't help that a modern gaming computer here is extremely expensive due to the exorbitant tariffs :(
Bottlenecks are also due to memory shifts (due to shared memory for graphics) and i/o issues with hard disks.
I tweaked A8/A10 and Intel Atom to the maximum possible, even got better fps in GTA V with that 7650K than the specs showed here with single channel RAM (12GB)
Man next to Budget Builds Official and RandomGaminginHD I will never get tired of seeing cheap gaming pcs that were purchased from the used marketplace. Its just something about seeing these pcs getting a second chance that just makes me happy.
budget builds official has not uploaded in ages its really sad i think i speak for all of us when i say i miss his videos they were great
I love these experiments with older hardware. Real world computing for many people. I recently resurrected an old family PC for my nephews. Asrock FM2+ based, A10 7700K, SSD boot and mechanical HD for storage, 16gb RAM. I added a GTX970, replaced a dead HD and a front fan to help the airflow. The motherboard BIOS needed updating as it was overvolting badly at default, with scary temperatures and throttling. It still was with the new BIOS, though less so, so I manually undervolted the CPU. It could overclock with a better cooler, but the naked and ropy VRMs would hold it back. The good news was that it ran Total War Warhammer 2 well - the battle benchmark on medium settings and large units was 59 FPS, with some patches of 42 FPS. And in this real world of low income computing, the GTX 970 is still good enough to carry over to the next, more significant, upgrade - I'd happily pair it with a Ryzen and it would play their whole Steam library with ease.
Honestly these videos are like a warm beverage.
Perfectly comforting, genuinely enjoyable and easy to digest.
Love weird old builds like this
Wow that frame rate for RDR2 was quite impressive !!! Love seeing old PCs, keep them coming !
To think I'm watching you for 4 years. Thanks for the great videos. And inspiring me to build a pc again. I'm haven't touched my ps4 in a looong time lol!! All of the best guys
I have a heavily overclocked A10-7870K at 4.5GHz/4.7GHz boost paired up with two R7 250 2GB DDR3 cards in CFx.
In my limited experience with the platform:
1.- These chips perform better when you don't use the iGPU, using it means that the APU has to cut some frequency off the CPU cores, making them back down into C3-C4 core states, being very low (3.0GHz or smh on my case) due to Asfuck (asrock) getting wrong the VRMs and cooking the boards when both CPU and iGPU get hammered at the same time, and also to keep within the TDP limits in TDP-enforced models (Non-K ones). Disabling the iGPU frees up some RAM bandwidth that the chip can benefit from when overclocked.
2.- The cores need some seriously high frequency to run anything remotely modern, at 4.5GHz some modern stuff actually doesn't drop from 30FPS, but on stock these things suck hard, especially the A8s and Quadcore A6s due to the inherent low frequencies, being equal or lower than 3.6GHz, and getting further gimped down when using the iGPU.
3.- Memory frequency is king, in my experience, anything lower than 1866MHz DDR3 will cause severe bottlenecks on even iGPU-less chips (such as the Athlon x4 8xx ones), the only ones that will run ok with such subpar memory are the Dual core A4s or shit-grade E2s. RAM at 2133MHz is the standard for K chips, and I have seen some chips handling up to 2666MHz DDR3, the higher the RAM frequency is, the higher the increases in the efficiency of overclocks.
You could play around with some spare parts and check how the results vary.
Anyways, this was a good video, keep it up man!
Vsync is your friend when you have a cpu & gpu combo like this. You could probably overclock the cpu to 4ghz, it needs all the help it can get with a gtx 1060. Good video.
there is just something special about your garden b-roll
it's just nice!
don't know if I was out of the loop a few years ago, but never actually heard of this socket, although well, I was more of an intel fanboy back then, started daily driving am4 ever since
It's UA-camr's like yourself, which makes me glad I watched your pc building videos and finally built myself a half decent build 👌
Strangely enough, today I dreamed that you stopped uploading videos. It was a bad dream, of course.
Never stop please, you're among the best!
Considering how small the board is it would probably make a damn good HTPC. IIRC Amernime drivers still work on those and should allow for HW accelerated video decoding.
Spent this evening undervolting and overclocking my Aliexpress RX580, for little temp increase I managed to gain a fair amount of framies and rig is liking the new card. I did actually give this Coolermaster HAF-XM ginormous case a thorough clean down, sink of soapy hot water and in went the front panel, the 5.25 blanks, the 2 SATA hotswap modules, top section and scrubbed down with a scrubber and allowed to dry with a cautionary blow through of the meshes to get the last drips. Case is now like brand new and whilst doing that I ran contact cleaner in the front USB ports and into the top buttons, all gleaming and even had the 240mm LED fan out from behind front panel and made that shine again. Got caught out buying a cheapo 2tb HDD, seller didn't mention it was an SAS connector so just had to buy an adapter, bought as my two 1tb HDD's are both over 10 years old and are needing retirement.
Here in Argentina the fm2+ platform is quite cheap, currently I have an a8 7860, 12gb ram (1x8/1x4) and gtx1650, I hope to switch to Ryzen sometime
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My original "gaming" PC back in junior high had a similar albeit slightly older A10 CPU. Worked fine for Terraria and Minecraft. Eventually added in a 750ti shortly after that came out for $150 or so. Finally I could play proper 3D games! I still remember stressing out about whether the case could fit a 2-slot card because I hadn't touched a GPU before and had no context for how "slots" work.
It eventually received an SSD and served as a home theater PC for a couple years and then retired to a corner in my basement.
Before I bought the GTX 1070, I played Cyberpunk at low with high textures 1080p with an average of 40 FPS, no problem, with GTX 1060 3Gb. It's a capable card to this day.
CPU was at first an I3 8100, then I found a cheap i5 9400. The I3 stuttered like crazy at times, the i5 has no issues.
I had an A8 6000 series APU once, it was quite remarkable just how inefficient it was, great for cooking breakfast and not much else. Pretty much anything else from that time would be a better choice. I have a 4th gen i5 35w chip that runs rings around it. Shows how far they have come, I like the Ryzen APUs so much I bought two of them!
This is the only channel I have on notification and there are 2 major reasons, I love the dark seedy side of used tech and days gone by tech reviews as I wallow in this tech AND that he is to tech what Ashens is to crappy sad onion kids toys. I would buy a used car, used pc and used kids toys from you both. Cheers for the content. Back to listening
Haha thanks for watching. I like Ashens too!
Love the vid as always. Wondering if the next vid is gonna be about a Dell LP with i3 and rx 550
I love your videos and cheap secondhand stuff in general - you focus on gaming of course but lets not forget with an SSD this is a perfectly fine desktop system for general use and any much older or less intensive games!
It might be interesting to compare this to a Sandy/Ivy Bridge system. I7-2600 is $25-30 in the US at this point.
The A8-7650K is just not going to cut it. I have one sitting in its board on my shelf with 16GB 2133 DDR3. The RAM didn't help. Even with a lower range card like the R7 360 2GB DDR5, it was a stutter fest at anything over 720p. I haven't even wanted to turn it into a server or an office PC. So disappointed with FM2.
I use these A8 APUs on FM2(+) mainboards for my servers. These FM2 boards usually have a ton of SATA connectors, which is great for file-servers. The machines perform solid in their tasks, being basically just NAS. Yes, nowadays the power efficiency could be better (but is still decent). However, I wouldn't use them as daily drivers.
This is true. Currently I am using a Gigabyte F2A88XM-HD3 (FM2+) board with 8 SATA connectors and A6-5400K for my Unraid server and it does well on it's function (not using any VM, and using only Jellyfin docker). Will be upgrading the CPU to A8-7650K after I test for stability.
You know this computer did way better than I thought it was going to do.
I had a system VERY much like this, with a 1650 superOC card, and the CPU was pretty much 100% bottlenecked in all modern games.
I bought a "gaming pc" for $360 a while ago, with an i7-3470 and a 1050ti, 8GB of RAM, 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD.
I swapped out the 3470 with a i7-2600, upgraded to 16GB of RAM, swapped out the main SSD for a 512 GB with 3 used 1TB HDDs, and since the 1050ti was a low profile variant I was able to sell it for $130 (would've sold it for more but it had a dead fan) and bought myself a 1070 for the same exact price.
It runs okay, pretty CPU limited in just about everything, but I'm saving up to upgrade to 10th Gen.
I'd be interested in seeing your take on a build like this, like you said at the end of the video.
I've been seeing a lot of ads for a Pre-Built company called Allied lately and thought it would be a great video idea to review one of them.
The AMD A8-7650k was the CPU in the first "gaming" PC I ever got, so many memories made on it, ran a 7770 on it for a while and eventually some GTX 500 series card I forgot which one. So much stuttering, lots of crashing and the horribly loud noise it used to make for such abysmal performance. It's nostalgic in a way but not the fond kind.
If anyone was wondering how that chocolate and/or caramel stain got in there, it was probably just Dave eating a snickers while cleaning the pc before shooting. Either that or some sneaky dog died in there
Isn't it better just to go with used first or second gen ryzen Build can be found for similar prices, and it would perform a lot better
My father in law still rocks an athlon ii 845 in his secondary system and it works fine, office/windows/browsing mostly. Its paired with an r7 260x and it can play Diablo III in 1080p quite good.
That was definitely a popular budget combo back in the day! Glad it still works well for him
When it came to RDR2, I noticed the VRAM was pretty dang close to maxing out, maybe do a test to see what lower resolution (maybe 900p) or lower textures (maybe medium instead of high) and see how much performance is changed as a result)?
I'm just upgrading my company's last FM2+ system with a new ryzen build and it will become my next HTPC pairing it with my RX480 8gb. It'll be an amazing system for the use.
My previous FM2+ system became the NAS.
Be nice to see what an Athlon 880K could do with that GPU in that rig. It's like 20-25% faster iirc. But they are rather rare in the wild. This socket was made for cheap PCs and All-In-Ones. The weak CPUs combined with crap hard drives and 2GB ram in cheap All-In-Ones made many customers think AMD was garbage CPUs.
The FM2+ socket systems are just too far gone. I would even hesitate to use it for an always on Linux file server, due to 95W TDP. The case, RAM and HDD might be nice spare/upgrade parts to have around.
oh man, I've been trying to use old parts I have in my pc collection (especially duplicate platforms) to build pcs and flip them.
I was able to turn x58 mobos with 6 core 12 thread xeons and even Phenom 2 X6 AM3 builds into functional gaming pcs
But the FM2+. Ugh. Granted the mobo I was using sucked, and I couldn't even OC the cpu past 4.0ghzm but man was performance horrible.
Thanks for another great video, mate! May I suggest a DDR3 + i7-3770 (k or not), but in a Chinese mobo w/ a M.2 NVMe drive or at least a SATA 6gb/s and the GTX 1060 :D
currently not in the garden, but sat behind a small pile of laptops, I have an Asus all-in-one pc that cashies forgot to format - and so, I had to do that myself... PITA plus some. will consider an SSD at some point - now isn't the right time (I live in the flat that jack built. and it needs some major work doing on it.) but I plan to upgrade the ram at some point too. absolutely love cashies - bought a few laptops - the cheapest being a £20 toshiba lappy with no operating system and 4Gb of ddr3 ram and a random stick of 2Gb ddr3 ram. I struggled to get anything installed it was that slow, but ended up going for linux lite - which works fine. I just wanted something that would play a dvd while I was in bed - that's it. and it does the job. £30 on a 4k camcorder = perfect!
currently scouring three local cashies online... I don't need more tech, but, I just want to keep my skills sharp 😁
As a fellow system builder.. I will frequently "draw a line in the sand" and will not work on PC's older than a certain age. Personally, I "retired" from using any FM2 CPU's over 2 years ago.... Keep up the good work!! Even failures provide valuable data!!
I had an Athlon 860k rig back in the day with a GTX 960. It was really weird pairing a £50 CPU with a motherboard that could do 3 or 4 way crossfire (second hand) and a fairly decent (for the time) GPU, but it worked.
It could play near enough anything I asked of it, when heavily overclocked (something that both it and the mobo were very good at). I even had it running cyberpunk at around 30fps, with everything turned down & heavy FSR (life) support, but it could do it.
It's a shame AMD abandoned the platform so rapidly to the point where any upgrades over my CPU simply weren't worth it.
FM2 was a dead end though. Zen took all the resources they could've funneled into keeping it alive and the change definitely paid off. Look where we're at today! Has been a wild 5 years for CPUs.
Lol I had a GTX 960 paired with an A4 5300 overclocked to 3.7GHz, it was hell (mainly due to the hard drive tbf).
LOL I love how you also start speaking haltingly when the game played haltingly (Kingdom Come) 😂
Gotta love that "Jewel" channel RAM. (Not sure why certain accents make it sound like this. Notice the same thing when Steve from hardware unboxed says the word dual.)
There is the A10-7890K (APU) or 880K (without APU) which is literally the top of the FM2+ stack. I sold one during the pandemic for like 200-250.
Dude... You're at over half a million subs now!
FM1 / FM2 with the igpu are very good for WinXP retro gaming with low power consumption (15 watts desktop 50 watts while gaming), try that with an athlon xp or pentium 4 pc...
I had that cpu and MOBO pairetd with a radeon hd 3600 I think? Horrible memories of low FPS and budget gaming, every new part I scrounged the money for was like a gift on christmas, now I buy the parts stock and build it with little to no enthusiasm, the budget limitations were half the fun of building a PC
Wow! Its fast, faster than my i3 2350m.
Btw, love your videos
Looking forward to the one where you do a build on a budget - hopefully it will perform better than this thing did! Yeah, anything that is pre-Ryzen, on the AMD platform, just isn't worth doing. So AM3, FM2, FM2+, FM1, etc etc. That 1060 is really under utilized, even though I would stay away from the 3GB card and instead get the 6GB card, or the 105Ti - you won't be able to use a 3GB 1060 to its full potential because it will run out of VRAM before you reach the limits of the processing power of the card itself.
On the other hand, my fx6300 (stock, but with a good air cooler) and fx8350 (@4.6, with liquid) power their rx570 and rx580 GPUs well enough to get playable frame rates in demanding games. Cyberpunk included. I also tried a GTX1660ti with the faster fx and it was even better. I wouldn't build these if I were buying the parts now, but they are still useful ten years in and sensible upgrades work well.
@@Nick_R_ Wow, electricity must be cheap where you live! Your fx8350 is slower than a shitty Ryzen 1200. Ryzen 3600 is about 3x faster, while still using 2x less electricity...
@@kmieciu4ever The difference between the Ryzen 3600, stock and the OC'ed fx8350 is about 5p an hour. Less if you deduct the additional consumption by other components that result from running faster.
I have actually had 2 of these systems. One I pulled out of the garbage and one came from ebay as a motherboard CPU and RAM for 40 dollars. The garbage dump system was an a6 3670. The ebay one is a8 3870k that will overclock quite high, about 4.3 ghz I think, and it makes a pretty big difference. The a6 system was really terrible. I tried it with an rx460 2 gig card and it was very similar to this video. The card was only pushed to about a max of 50 percent utilization. The a8 system with the overclock was a decent match for the 460 though. Still, not a good value system but it satisfied my curiosity about this old platform.
0:33 I mean you could always go up to an a10 6800k, it isn't much better but it's just enough to where it will make a difference. I had that as my first pc and I ran it with a 1060 3gb. It ran quite well
My gym-pc is still running the fm2 socket, cpu is an A10 6800K, gpu is a 1650 gddr6.
It stil works fine for it's intended purpose, basicly running spotify and youtube, but it also runs older games just fine, so for now it is gong nowhere :)
Awesome that’s good to hear :)
That's a CPU bottleneck if I've ever seen one!
@@diegoleiva7242 Yup, a few years ago it went from a gt 1030 to a gtx 1650 and it gained about zero fps lol.
My old PC was FX 6300 CPU alongside R7 260x GPU. Seemed "powerful" in 2013 when I built it. But suddenly after the Ryzen CPUs appeared I realised that the FX 6300 was a fraction of the Ryzen's power.
You could swap out the CPU for an FX 6350 6 core 4.2Ghz chip and replace the mechanical HDD with a 500GB SanDisk Ultra 3D SATA 3 SSD for about £20 - £30 each. So for about 40 or so quid you can give that machine a proper CPU upgrade and have a much easier time selling it.
I'd keep the mechanical drive as a mass storage option and put the Windows 10 install on an SSD. But definitely get rid of that low end CPU, otherwise you'll be hard pressed to do better than giving it away. A 40 to50 pound investment would elevate that machine to sellable.
I feel like any AMD CPU before Ryzen is just a mistake. That being said the older xeons, are kind of the budget king if you're still stuck on DDR3
I have an A8-7600 with 16gb and an AMD R9-270 2GB, runs really well, plays many games.
I have one of those type of AMD sockets in my home media server. It has 16g RAM too. Its a A10-6800k and it works great for that, a server. It has a nVidia GTX970 as its GPU.
the A10-7700k black was a beast for its time.
It was always awful, a 4th gen i3 is much better.
I find this much more entertaining than watching yet another UA-camr with a 4090 that does exactly as expected.
It's much more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. Old and slow computers that run faster than they should is much more fun to watch than yet an over-priced top spec-ed build that surprises no one with its expected speed and boredom. Snooze. Instead, give me Cyberpunk at 12 fps on a 30 year old desktop.
I remember dreaming of having one of these because it was compatible with my a4 33xx something pc, as it had like double the performance in games like CSGO
I gamed on an Acer FM2+ prebuilt. A10-7800 APU with a R7 250 2GB. It can run games!
if you have such system, keep it and use it as long as you're happy with light gaming; if not, don't bother building it.
Just commenting to show my appreciation for the consistent uploads
Thanks!
Been waiting for this video for a minute now
>30 seconds ago
You must live in canadian time zone.
Could you test out the NVME M.2 to PCIE adapter?? You can add a full graphics card to a mini pc and it’s less of a bottleneck than thunderbolt enclosure, and cheaper than the enclosure!!
thanks for make this video. i have same unused pc spec. after watching this video, put in box again.
I love how this still runs better then my laptop and its only from 2019
Those CSGO results are horrendous we have the GTX 1060 3GB paired with a Ryzen 1500x and it gets 180+ FPS @ 1080p medium
I wonder IF the nVidia Driver Overhead affects older CPU's like this one more so than a more current CPU ?
As an AMD 200 or 300 series GPU maybe a better pairing but since this is an older CPU it may not make much of a difference.
I think I can answer both your questions.
1) No. Any capable GPU is going to be so CPU limited under any circumstance, any perceivable "driver overhead" would be lost in the massive bottleneck that already exists. If you go far back enough to an Nvidia GPU that makes sense for the A8 7650k such as the GTX 460 or GTX 560 -- Nvidia was still using hardware scheduler on those microarchitectures - so they had no driver overhead.
I believe Nvidia switched to software scheduler with Kepler (GTX 600 series) which is the first generation capable of showing any sort of driver overhead. Perhaps something like the GTX 650 would be good enough to show driver overhead compared to say an R9 260 or 270 but I have a suspicion both would still be CPU bottlenecked.
2.) I used to have an A6 3620 APU (Socket FM1) and even with an R9 280 it was heavily CPU constrained. I had plenty of stutter and poor performance even with reduced quality settings just trying to run Overwatch 1 back in 2016. Upgraded to a Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017 and it was night-and-day performance difference.
Socket FM1 really was that bad. That being said for an APU that could run most games of the time decently well, I managed to play games such as Borderlands 1 & 2, Skyrim, and Bioshock Infinite on that little A6 3620. With enough graphics and .ini tweaking I had pretty reasonable 40-50 FPS in most of those games with decent looking textures at the cost of terrible anti-aliasing, shadows, and ambient occlusion.
@@The_Man_In_Red Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, that are some point the CPU is just too limited to really affect the driver overhead.
In 2014 I had an Athlon X4 860k FM2+ 8GB DDR3 and a RX 470. The PC was a disaster... I wanted it so bad and when I finally build the pc it was pretty weak because of the cpu.
Maybe goin higher in resolution will make some framerates better . I had a amd athlon fx before with a r9 270x .
The cpu was a bottleneck when i made the resolution 1440p it run better than at 1080p since the gpu was doin most of the work at that point .
When i did it i was like what the heck is happening here i remember 😂
"Give the FM2 socket one last send off."
Why did I just imagine you taking it out to the back of the shed and shooting it?
the OG GTA trilogy and the remaster (tweaked with a readonly config file) can be run on that and GTA IV (modded)
I think you should start using Valorant for CPU testing I think that would run around 100fps my guess.
Would love to see my old g4560 featured again in your videos.
i picked up a wx4100 4gb for $50 aussie dollars the other day. Holds 1200mhz with a bios flash to 0.95v, 65w tdp, 1200 core and 1700mhz vram. Performs pretty much the same as an rx 460 but chews next to nothing. Worls well in my old i7 6700 dell optiplex sff being a single slot card.
that inside chassis reminds me of a old packard bell case
Yeah the iextreme comes to mind :)
Can you try making a build with Core 2 Quad and see how it fares against this one?
It'd be interesting since they're about 5 years old at least when this was launched but I believe they're still kinda cool. Especially the Q9650 or an OC Q6600
It performs around similar performance to A series. And they lack modern instruction set
That PC case is identical to my grandma's 2008 HP Pavilion
They said the FX series wasn't future proof, yet my 6300 plays anything I throw at it, I have it paired with a 5500XT.
I know someone who used a A10-7850K with a HD7970 and even that GPU will bottleneck that APU in most games even though the GPU is 3 years older than the A10.
I wish you'd make a video about the laptop I own. Need to hear your thoughts on it.
Odd that GTA V was doing so badly. I have an A8 5600k which is similar but older, it had no problems running GTA V at normal settings with an HD 7850.
Perhaps it's windows 10 or Nvidia driver overhead holdimg the CPU back?
Would be interested more in what it can do vs what it can't do. Wondering what video card is best paired with it.
The X4 860k might have fared a lot better. Who knows?
i currently have a a10-6600k paired with a 750ti it has 32gb ram with a ssd/hd combo. The sweet spot i found on games is 1600x900 seems to run games quite well
3570K + 1650S, 16gb on sata ssd for my 4yo last son, cost "nothing" works very good for the games he play in 1080p (sea of thieve, minecraft, roblox, human fall flat...)
tbh my i7 2600 i had was even holding back my 1060 3gb, as i saw more performance when i swapped it out for an i7 4790 - then again i reused my 16gb of DDR3 and that ran faster as the 1060 wont run it faster than 1333mhz, plus i think the 4790 uses a faster version of PCI-Express. i'll take it over a 1050 ti
These CPU's were designed as low end office PC's meant for only using word documents and light internet browsing. Other than that these CPUs won't do much of anything. My Dad has an old A8-7410 and all it can do is light Google Chrome and basic office program usage. It does great for him as that is all he does but I sure wouldn't want it as my daily driver. I am a power user lol
¿How good is that A8 CPU for watching youtube videos while using microsoft word and powerpoint? ¿Can it do that without slowing down or becoming sluggish ?
@@bryanalejandrofigueroagarz8633 It can run those programs simultaneously but it does get sluggish. For example. UA-cam on Google Chrome does take a bit of time to load up and get going. I would say like 5 seconds at maximum. Also when you try to press fullscreen it takes like 5-10 seconds maximum depending on what other programs you have going for it to get into full screen UA-cam. It is all possible if you are willing to have to wait for things to take their time loading AKA sluggishness. Your best bet is to have the most BARE BONES Windows 10 install with all the fancy stuff turned off. Only have programs you absolutely need running. Its capable of handling basic stuff fairly okay. But like I said I am a power user and couldn't stand it. I have a Ryzen 7 5700X 16GB 3200 MHz ram and a RTX 3060 12 GB and also SATA SSD's so my programs open instantly and snappy.
It's a shame that the FM CPU are so bad in these days.. I have one for a Windows 7 build to play some older games. :D
I've tested it with a GTX 1630, but the GPU is still more powerful than this CPU. :')
But Forza and RDR2 are running better than i thought.
Did you try it with an ssd? I'm curious just how bad texture streaming might be loading in from a shitty hdd like that.
You're quite a bit better off using an AMD GPU on these older, low core-count CPUs. The Nvidia drivers have quite a bit of overhead compared to the Radeon drivers.
RX 560 4GB is a really good match for these CPUs. A10-7950 with and all core OC might actually show a bit of an uplift as well.
A10 7890k and Athlon 880k would be the best upgrade you can do with FM2+ platform
That's expected. In 2023 any AMD chip older than Zen 1 is not worth getting unless free or at dirt cheap pricing. That said i was surprised at how well it did on RDR2, not great but bordering playable.And of course it's probably fine as an office PC as long as it has a SSD.
preeetty crazy considering price
I've seen some people overclocking this chips in the past you should try it
my attitude on the gpu related forums resulted in the area being very much worsened. I'm sorry for that. What should I do?
Honestly for $125 i can get a used i7 4770($45),16gb d3 worth $20,500gb ssd $30 and h81 mobo maybe jginyue or other brands worth $30-35
Should upgrade it to a Athlon X4 860k... great little chip for FM2
I have to do this on my channel. nice video, thank you😊
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