My Great great grandfather was Texas Ranger with the frontier Battalion . My Great Grandfather was also a Texas Ranger. I was commissioned as a Special Texas Ranger working as a Special Agent for a Railroad. I hope I made them proud carrying on the family tradition.
As an Englishman this is the epitome of all the Western films I ever saw, but with a hard-bitten reality too true to put on celluloid. Brits of my age mid 60s - have enormous empathy and respect for how the Texans struggled and won their right to live in their land. Cracking documentary, by the way. I like all the work you've put on UA-cam; keep up the excellent work.
I was born and raised in North Texas, in a community named for the Tonkawa. The elderly men and women in the little church we attended out there told stories of raids, and neighbors, hearing the drums, coming to their homes for protection.
A horse is obviously one of many species on this planet, when that species was introduced to the Comanche it truly became a transformational technology for their people. They were the lords of the plains for almost 150 years, until the introduction of the Colt and later on the Winchester and they still managed to wage war until 1875. Amazing warriors.
Fighting the Comanche would have a profound influence on American fighting men for the next 100 years. They both dreaded fighting the Comanches but also adapted many of the traits and techniques employed by them.
"History too real, for the Westerns...", could easily be, "History too real, for today's public school's politically correct/social justice warrior taught, history classes." Very nicely done!
What is with you edgelord Maga cucks infesting videos about native American history? Even back when these things were happening, it was too real for anyone unless you were a native warrior or Texas ranger, Genius.
@@historyattheokcorral why do you suck off all the maga edgelords who comment on all your videos? I come here to hear stories about my ancestors on both sides. Not to be surrounded by goofs, with noodle arms, talking about modern "wokeness". It's a bad look.
The views are from enchanted rock, Lockhart is on the black land prairie. I love your channel and I was one of many archaeologists who surveyed plum creek in preparation for sh130. Your channel is much appreciated Sir. Thank you for telling the story of my state/people.
Let's hope these stories are spread into our history classes as it seems kids are being taught that America was a peaceful paradise before Columbus arrived
Yup they should also talk about the bounties put on native scalps, including women and children’s. I remember stories about local scalp hunters massacring villages. Their idea of “humane treatment” was shooting babies and children with their .36 revolvers instead of bigger calibers.
You have beenTaken Over from within those that your traitorous leaders bow down and grovel to with their HQ in the holy Land what ya going to do About it
Fort Worth here, and growing up scouting old camps I have always been fascinated with the native tribes. I have a signed copy of Indian Fighting on The Texas Frontier from Capt. John M. Elkins to a relative of mine. Written for Elkins by Frank Mcarty. Elkins was in the party who searched and tried to "recapture" Cynthia Ann Parker, Quahna Parkers mother. Elkins went on to be the first sherif of Coleman Co., after "driving the indians" from where the county seat sits present day. Very good video, I subscribed and will look for more to come!
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 not true. She was taken from Fort Parker. Several attempts were made to get her back bit ultimately failed because she preferred the Comanche, which is how she ended up mothering Quanah the last "free" Comanche chief.
@@lilburro3 In modern times and sensibilities, many (and it appears you are included) subscribe to revisionist history The terms "preferred" and "mothering" sound more appealing to the delicate and woke ear, but back when it was happening,, the massacre of males and infants and taking of females (Cynthia Ann Parker was 8 or 9 years old when she was taken, depending on your source) was called "murder, abduction" and "rape". That she was allowed to live at all points to her mindset once she was released back to white settlers (I''ve read accounts that claim she "fell in love" with her captors, also that she was abused and treated as sub-human and treated like a slave (anyone who is up on their history knows ALL native women were treated as slaves and pack animals by the dominant males). Laughably, when finally freed, the revisionists use terms like "captured by Texas Rangers" when referring to Parker's rescue. One last thing - do you REALLY think Quanah would take the name of a captured white girl (his mother) as a surname? Of course not. But some believe it without question. Because that is what the revisionist historians have put out there. Don't trust Wikipedia. Use their bibliographies to start looking for the historical facts.
@@clayrankin8343 I actually don't use wiki anything. It seems you've fallen prey to the misbelief that you can infer someone's entire intelect via a quick blurb on the internet. Obviously my comment was purely directed toward this book and the language it uses, not at all toward current (or past) wide spread social beliefs. Neither of us knows exactly what any of these people believed, nor how they felt. What I believe is too nuanced to put into a quick UA-cam comment.
This was my first episode of HOKC and I thoroughly enjoyed it enough to subscribe. Looking forward to more. Thank you so very much and keep up the good work.
A really excellent work done for this podcast. I love learning about the history of the Indian culture and the great Indians whose way of life their hardships and their victories. Thank you 💛
I am 53 and have been fascinated by history in general and the old west in particular. This is the first video I've watched of your and plan on watching them all. New subscriber here.
If you like this…you should read the book “Indian depredations in Texas” by J. W. Wilbarger, 1889. It gives first hand accounts by pioneers of Attlee with the Comanche. I have a 1935 copy of the book. 672 pages…I read them all!
No sympathy for the Comanche , or "understanding" of their motives for attacking Texans is necessary. They had no business being there in the first place. They had less "right" than the Spanish did, or the Anglos who the Spanish invited in, and much less than those other "native Americans" who lived in the southern plains and New Mexico, and who the Comanche stole from, murdered, and enslaved. They were murdering marauders, plain and simple.It's right to take sides in this morally clear cut conflict, just as it would be right to take the side of the Erie, or the Huron and Ottawa against the Iroquois.
I just found this channel and I’m really enjoying it, binging all the videos, but I have to say; this guy LOVES the word Neophyte. I’m pretty sure he’s said it in EVERY video I’ve watched so far, usually numerous times in each one. Keep up the great work, I appreciate it, but maybe mix up the vocabulary from time to time 😂
I find in situations like this, people often fault a man like Huston for making the tactical choices he did when there's no guarantee making the other choice would have had a better result. If the Texans had charged, they might have saved the captives. Then again, they might have been cut down by the superiority in numbers and horsemanship of the Comanches. Then Huston would have been blamed for foolishly charging when he should've hunkered down to wait for reinforcements.
People say that alot about ww2. They think Germany could've won if different decisions were made. Yet God willing they had to be defeated. That's what people don't beleive.
@@ShadeRaven222 Fact is the luck of battle was with the germans for the beginning of WWII and and for several months after invading invading the USSR. But when by winter the failed to reach Moscow and the Russians under Stalin were literally going to fight to last man, woman, and child, the German had lost the initiative and it was all downhill for them when America entered the war.
There are no guarantees in anything . There is rarely a perfect time . Based on previous experience, the Indians didn't do well against their Anglo opponents in battle when they were facing a formidable force ; even one greatly outnumbered . The settlers grew up with guns and were good marksman . When you contrast that with arrows , etc. , the settlers win even when outnumbered . They should have charged and rescued . It worked in other battles . You cannot have a " what if " attitude and win in war .
@@tommurphree5630 It is very difficult to make single statements or decisions that cover all scenarios. From what little I know the Comanches did quite well until the technology of modern weapons along with destruction of their food sources overwhelmed them. When the Texas rangers started showing up with the first primitive colt Patterson revolvers the tables started to turn. It was the Apaches that resisted the longest with Geronimo and his group being among the last holdouts. Another factor was the whites were often able to recruit allies or least mercenaries from the neighboring native american tribes that had suffered from Comanche and Apache raids.
I don't blame Huston for fighting defencively, especially as he began with an inexperienced force. It would be fare to assume that any kind of rash persuit could have fallen victim to an ambush - something nomad forces are famous for.
My wife was com Palo Pinto County. I read that county’s history books the first-hand accounts from the Comanche raids... extremely brutal and tragic those.
By all accounts the Camanche made Isis look kind.They were cruel beyond your darkest beleive and torture was apart of honour to them, other tribes hated them.And thye practically genoiced the Apache.
My grandmother was born in flatonia tx. She told me stories of when she was a child, indians still did raids. After reading about Apache raids in the 1930s, I have no doubt the Comanche did the same, and she was telling truth.
After the little big horn the same was said about the Souix and Cheyenne, the tales of Apache ability to appear and disappear in the deserts of Arizona and Mexico are amazing.
Thank you for sharing true tales of the past. Thank God for the Texas Rangers who bravely fought the Comanches who abducted, enslaved, tortured, and killed white settlers who just wanted to find a piece of land to call home like anybody else. It has been said that such depridations were a fate worse than death. The Texas Rangers understood that every ride out could be their last and their courage was immeasurable.
Thank God for the ethnic cleansing of the Tonkowa, Lipan, the Caddo Confederacy, the Kiowa, Apache and Comanche; the genocide of those people allowed Christians to seize the land they needed to put their African slaves to work. The Indian Removal act of 1830 was still wet ink on paper, and the Cherokee and Choctaw still marching at gunpoint on the Trail of Tears, when the Rangers were bravely fighting to murder in the name of Jesus and paid in gold for the scalps they "retrieved". Just some good ol' boys, never meanin' no harm until they wanted somethin', them there white "settlers", without a second thought, just wanted land and their greed was immeasurable.
It is why I feel 0 remorse for the Comanche being forced on reservations but in my opinion they should have been wiped out not only for their treatment of the settlers but also for the hundreds of years those animals terrorised the native tribes around them.
@@jasonbrown372 yes I have an absolute lack of remorse for the Comanche and I do think that they were let off too easy as they are not native americans but animals. Does not mean I have a lack of remorse for the other Native Americans who got fucked over by the British, US and Canada and forced onto reservations simply because the Americans thought it was the "will of God" for them to own the ancestral homelands of those people.
Didn’t tell about all the silver bullion they took from the coastal town. And how the Texans fought them at plum creek and ended chase after they found the bullion.🇺🇸🤠
Thats what they wanted silver gold . And to kill the natives off like scalping the natives and selling so much a scalp The few they took as captives was nothing compare to killi most of the natives off This was there Country Why did the y not go to China and take there country and see how far the white man would get In Europe they fight white on white Thats very neat to Reseach and ENJOY !!!!!!!>>>>>>
Comanches being the best horsemen at the time can be debated. The Tribes from the Caucasus mountains the Circassians,Chechens and Daghestanis along with the Cossack's and even the descendants of the Mongols the Crimean Tatars and other Tatar tribe's were elite horse warrior's by far. During Napoleon's time he said that if he had Cossack's during his invasion of Russia that he'd been in India in no Time. They were still elite during the mid to late 19th century
Those horsemen defeated the Spanish cavalry who had steel plate armour and guns and did what no other horse culture did; they hung off the side of the horse and used it as a shield as they shot bullets and arrows. I don't think even us the Sioux who were called "the best cavalry on this continent or any other" hung off the side of the horse.
I live in and grew up in Tx... never heard anybody claim comanche to be the best horsemen in the world at that time....just in the US..and if the narrator said "best horsemen at the time"..im pretty sure he meant in the US at the time, because he narrates US western history on this channel
@@justinmiller8249 the Comanche did what no other horse culture did. They hung off the side of the horse and used it as a shield as they shot bullets and arrows. They defeated the Spanish cavalry with their big horses guns and armour.
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 huh?...thats random and awkward....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that I said was derogetory against comanche people , so im not exactly sure why you are attacking my character? ....but ok lets go there....no, im not scare of numunu, and you seem to be atleast mildly retarded. So like all great nations of this world, the US was and still is a fighting nation. Its one of the human conditions. We all at some point fight each other. Its been so since before recorded history. In the case of indian nation against indian nation, one group found a reason to make war on another group, doesnt matter for what , a greivence, hunting land, slaves, to keep your warriors skills honed..doesnt matter. A strong group made war on a weak group. Now, strong group has one less enemy and more land and all the benifits with go with being a victor..good job! And that was and is the state of North America and the rest of the world long before my own ancestors came to this land...Now, as for indians against europeans, refer to above statement about war and fighting nations.....my ancestors came here, made war, won the war, took the spoils of war...why would i be scared?...the numunu were badasses of their time, nobody refutes that. And at one point, they even pushed westward expansion in Texas backward . But..and a BIG but it is, Texas Rangers and the US cavalry still won the war which allowed westward expansion to continue. Anyhow, have a good day little buddy, dont lick to many windows and always wear your helmet. 🙂
Thank you for this most interesting documentary, extraordinary days by any account, the sad loss of life of babies and women is a blot on the warriors but I am sure that both sides had similar experience. The illustrations and artwork in this video are amazing in quality and really brings to life the actions of the time.
I went to Lockhart High School, Plum Creek Elementary school and my surname is Travis… so yea, I get “it”. Read “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy for a darkly beautiful eerily poetic rendering of these Comanches and their death cult brutality
When a young officer graduated from West Point, his classmates referred to him as Sam Grant because his first 2 initials in his name was U.S. Anyway he was one of the greatest horseman West Point ever produced. As a young man he could ride standing up on the back of his horse!!! Yes, the Comanche threw up a wall of blood shed for 40 Year's!!
It takes your breath to hear the details of our nations past. I believe we should all know what it took to get where we are now. I also think diplomacy would have led to a much greater outcome than the heroism required to achieve peace in the west. Violence repaid with more violence is tragic. My heart goes out to both sides.
Nothing new under the sun. There is an old Greek story that tells how one Thracian tribe took tens of thousands of war prisoners taken from a defeated rival tribe back to their capital, just so that all the people could share in the spectacle of their deaths.
Imagine the horror of the merchant traders in the town square in San Antonio that day when Matilda Lockhart was rolled in. She was in a cage and she was denuded of nose. All there was were the 2 holes in her face to breathe out of. I imagine it caused an immediate skirmish. She saw the worst of it and lived a while after as did Josiah and his other brother of the Wilbarger family. He was scalped and lived another 11 years. His story is one of the most amazing out there with Sarah Hornsby having a paranormal account that saved him. Look into it. Great stuff all around my stomping grounds. My poor city is currently over run with tech trash. At times I think I would much rather deal with the Comanche than see another Tesla driving down Oltorf. Times change and it is usually for the worse.
Thats nuts. Those tesla driving hippys live to kiss any foreigners butt. The indians were unbelievable savage and know one even knows. If they had things like that happen to them, you would never hear the end of it.
Real good book. Check out the book, "The children of grace" by Bruce Hampton. It's about Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce and the running battle they had with the US military on 1877.
Great infos, as usual. It would be nice if you could name at least the movies from which you show scenes, better even if the pictures and photos used were mentioned (however that would be a lot of work).
Well the first scenery pic is enchanted rock 🪨 a huge mother spaceship sized granite bolder that has hiking trails, it’s outside Fredericksburg, it might as well be the heart of the hill country.
@@historyattheokcorral this video was a very good one. I’m new to your channel. I’ll check that one out! Apparently there’s an ancestor of mine who was captured for long while then they released her. I don’t know details. Here in New Mexico I guess the Buffalo Soldiers in Ft Stanton were there to fight them as well. But not totally sure.
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq Yes, there was few battles between Apaches and Mexicans/Spanish in 1780's. It was before invention of rapid firearms and cold steel was used often, with Mexicans using long lances.
In every part of the world of which we have knowledge, at some time in history fighting among tribes was normal. There were individuals who attempted to rule their world; there were great war leaders and not so great war leaders. The faster way for a young man to become respected and admired was through success in war or raiding, depending on which culture and which period of history; sometimes it was the only way. Slavery was normal. Killing enemies and captives was normal. We may look at such things with horror now, but as another poster has mentioned, our own savagery is still there: we just hide it better. If we are returned to more primitive times when we have to fight for food, savagery will return.
True violating of women and kids came from the american side which was then adopted by the indians as payback. But the victors right the story and tell it for benefit 🤷🏻
Whatever. They raided other tribes, raped, pillaged, took slaves, and killed each other long before the settlers came. White men didn't teach them that. I suppose the headhunters in Borneo and the cannibals of new guinea learned that from the white man too?
The Comanche had so cowed the Mexicans they gave Stephen F Austin and other Americans huge grants of land. The idea was to keep the American settlers between the Indians and Mexicans as a buffer to Comanche raids and aggression which it did. It soon became apparent the Americans were an even bigger threat to the Mexicans than were the Comanche.
Ive read alot on these times,and trying to be understanding,sympathetic with the destruction of the redman s ways of life&culture,I have no sympathy for the Commanche. As mentioned,the somewhat shorter Apaches who lived into large central portions of Texas,they were violently persecuted and ended up living in the bosque river and hill country of western,then eastern and finally New Mexico,Arizona territories to exact as brutal revenge over the next 45 years on inexperienced and honest settlers seeking the American dream too.Such were the terrors of life in these times. Would to God some ways of patience &understanding could have been rigourously enforced to hold and keep the peace,but alas it appeared that Commanches broke the mold for utter cruelty!
These fights and murders weren’t as random as one might think. It was caused by bad governance and horrible leadership, driven by greed and or false celebrity and the power that comes with it.
Far out, the Comanche were particularly nasty. Killing prisoners as they are about to be rescued is the height of hate.. I kinda don't feel bad they were hunted down. They even killed off the other tribes like what? Common enemy much?
Nancy wasn’t a Granddaughter to Daniel Boone. Her Mom was 1st cousin to Rebecca Boone. So I believe that would make her a second cousin by marriage to Daniel.
This engagement and war with the Comanche was not avoidable unless all whites were to leave Texas. Not happening. The Comanche were fiercely territorial and fought to virtual extinction. They were mean, ruthless, cunning, fierce, and visionary. They knew when the Spanish came to wipe the Spanish out to exist. The same for the Mexicans. The American/European settlers won this war by sheer numbers and technology. Their tactics was their undoing. Raiding parties have no support or supply chain other than what they can capture and each that goes buy those supplies are exhausted a little more until they starve themselves, or in combat, exhaust themselves, which is what happened.
imagine dozens and dozens (maybe more) of Indian Braves and chief sexually assaulting a child for god knows how long and then after concocting a plan to sell her back for supplies and respect of territory...no wonder they (the Comanche) got slaughtered instead of getting what they demanded, i would have done the same if i was the Texans and saw and heard what that child went through.
It has always been man's nature to fight and War. From Cain and Abel to Iraq and Afghanistan it is up to the individual as to how far he is willing to go to champion his particular cause.
In the past we fought wars to win. Now we fight wars to make money for the military industrial complex. I would say this started bigtime with Vietnam. It never was about winning. We should have never been there in the first place. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. To think that we can fix their problems with our nice war fighting way is insanity. To fight and win in Iraq and not take their oil to pay for it is also insanity. The Russians were brutal, and they could not win in Afghanistan, how could we possibly win. If we would have fought like Comanches in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan we would have won with our resources.
@@jimbob8533 I agree except for the fact that this country has always fought Wars for economic reasons. From the Revolutionary War all the way to the one we're about to be engaged in over Ukraine. And as far as our military complex goes we are stretched very thin. War profiteering doesn't go to our military complex anymore it just lines the pockets of the people who control it. If we would let the generals fight the war and not the politicians we would be Comanche strong. And I'm certainly not talking about traitors like Miley.
The Comanches had a very brutal reputation that extended to other tribes as well.
My Great great grandfather was Texas Ranger with the frontier Battalion . My Great Grandfather was also a Texas Ranger. I was commissioned as a Special Texas Ranger working as a Special Agent for a Railroad. I hope I made them proud carrying on the family tradition.
Any relation to Billy of Adobe Walls?
Timothy Dixon,
I'm very very sure that u have had made em very proud in carrying on family traditions in what u r doing now . Congratulations.
I was the Lone Ranger one time for Halloween 🎃 🤪
They all helped take away their lands,exterminating them and driving them into camps. You should be very "proud".
As an Englishman this is the epitome of all the Western films I ever saw, but with a hard-bitten reality too true to put on celluloid. Brits of my age mid 60s - have enormous empathy and respect for how the Texans struggled and won their right to live in their land. Cracking documentary, by the way. I like all the work you've put on UA-cam; keep up the excellent work.
They are just as illegal as Putin
-COMANCHE NATION
their land? the land they stole from the natives you mean
All said in the stereotypically arrogant english manner!!
It was not 'their' land to take ffs.
You speak for yourself 'Brit'
@@fourshore502 Which natives are you talking about?
@@andrewmaccallum2367 Come on Pad, give us an answer.
I was born and raised in North Texas, in a community named for the Tonkawa. The elderly men and women in the little church we attended out there told stories of raids, and neighbors, hearing the drums, coming to their homes for protection.
I have learned more about my Texas history from HOKC than Texas history taught at school. Thank you.
None of this was taught in school
A horse is obviously one of many species on this planet, when that species was introduced to the Comanche it truly became a transformational technology for their people.
They were the lords of the plains for almost 150 years, until the introduction of the Colt and later on the Winchester and they still managed to wage war until 1875.
Amazing warriors.
Fighting the Comanche would have a profound influence on American fighting men for the next 100 years. They both dreaded fighting the Comanches but also adapted many of the traits and techniques employed by them.
"History too real, for the Westerns...", could easily be, "History too real, for today's public school's politically correct/social justice warrior taught, history classes." Very nicely done!
Sad but true.
@Mike Arnold Self proclaimed "warriors" is what I should have said...perpetually triggered whiners.
Really pathetic that you can happily boast that you don't want to even LISTEN to the idea of Justice in your Society.
Pathetic.
What is with you edgelord Maga cucks infesting videos about native American history? Even back when these things were happening, it was too real for anyone unless you were a native warrior or Texas ranger, Genius.
@@historyattheokcorral why do you suck off all the maga edgelords who comment on all your videos? I come here to hear stories about my ancestors on both sides. Not to be surrounded by goofs, with noodle arms, talking about modern "wokeness". It's a bad look.
The views are from enchanted rock, Lockhart is on the black land prairie. I love your channel and I was one of many archaeologists who surveyed plum creek in preparation for sh130. Your channel is much appreciated Sir. Thank you for telling the story of my state/people.
Did you find anything? I find arrowheads and shards on my property near Wimberley.
This has become one of my favorite channels. Thank you for the amazing stories
Once again ......another outstanding narrative. Informative, well-spoken, and very well presented. Thank you.
well done historical account. I live in the Texas Hill Country and the depictions are accurate.
Let's hope these stories are spread into our history classes as it seems kids are being taught that America was a peaceful paradise before Columbus arrived
Yup they should also talk about the bounties put on native scalps, including women and children’s. I remember stories about local scalp hunters massacring villages. Their idea of “humane treatment” was shooting babies and children with their .36 revolvers instead of bigger calibers.
All Americans are part of a story of conflicts.
You have beenTaken Over from within those that your traitorous leaders bow down and grovel to with their HQ in the holy Land what ya going to do About it
I live in Hays Co., and spend a lot of time in San Marcos and Lockhart. And this is my first time hearing the full story of this event.
You can drive over the battlefield if you take 183 just south of Lockhart
Fort Worth here, and growing up scouting old camps I have always been fascinated with the native tribes. I have a signed copy of Indian Fighting on The Texas Frontier from Capt. John M. Elkins to a relative of mine. Written for Elkins by Frank Mcarty. Elkins was in the party who searched and tried to "recapture" Cynthia Ann Parker, Quahna Parkers mother. Elkins went on to be the first sherif of Coleman Co., after "driving the indians" from where the county seat sits present day. Very good video, I subscribed and will look for more to come!
Cynthia Anne Parker was not a Captive.
She was a Comanche Woman.
Stop trying whitewash yourselves into my history
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 not true. She was taken from Fort Parker. Several attempts were made to get her back bit ultimately failed because she preferred the Comanche, which is how she ended up mothering Quanah the last "free" Comanche chief.
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 I was speaking strictly in a historical sense, and in regards to the book.
@@lilburro3 In modern times and sensibilities, many (and it appears you are included) subscribe to revisionist history The terms "preferred" and "mothering" sound more appealing to the delicate and woke ear, but back when it was happening,, the massacre of males and infants and taking of females (Cynthia Ann Parker was 8 or 9 years old when she was taken, depending on your source) was called "murder, abduction" and "rape". That she was allowed to live at all points to her mindset once she was released back to white settlers (I''ve read accounts that claim she "fell in love" with her captors, also that she was abused and treated as sub-human and treated like a slave (anyone who is up on their history knows ALL native women were treated as slaves and pack animals by the dominant males). Laughably, when finally freed, the revisionists use terms like "captured by Texas Rangers" when referring to Parker's rescue. One last thing - do you REALLY think Quanah would take the name of a captured white girl (his mother) as a surname? Of course not. But some believe it without question. Because that is what the revisionist historians have put out there. Don't trust Wikipedia. Use their bibliographies to start looking for the historical facts.
@@clayrankin8343 I actually don't use wiki anything. It seems you've fallen prey to the misbelief that you can infer someone's entire intelect via a quick blurb on the internet. Obviously my comment was purely directed toward this book and the language it uses, not at all toward current (or past) wide spread social beliefs. Neither of us knows exactly what any of these people believed, nor how they felt. What I believe is too nuanced to put into a quick UA-cam comment.
This was my first episode of HOKC and I thoroughly enjoyed it enough to subscribe. Looking forward to more. Thank you so very much and keep up the good work.
Glad to have you on board! Lots more content coming!
From what I've only read, the most exquisite and prolonged torture was carried out by the woman Comanche.
A really excellent work done for this podcast. I love learning about the history of the Indian culture and the great Indians whose way of life their hardships and their victories. Thank you 💛
Authentic stories of the old west makes for a great holiday gift. Thanks HOKC
Thank you!!
@@historyattheokcorral your welcome.
Man all I can say is it's a brutal world
I am 53 and have been fascinated by history in general and the old west in particular. This is the first video I've watched of your and plan on watching them all. New subscriber here.
Thank you so much! Lots more coming!
Watch Dane Calloway also!
I’ve been binge listening to this for hrs! Your channel is my new favorite
If you like this…you should read the book “Indian depredations in Texas” by J. W. Wilbarger, 1889. It gives first hand accounts by pioneers of Attlee with the Comanche. I have a 1935 copy of the book. 672 pages…I read them all!
I down loaded the book and gone through it a few times very sobering
No sympathy for the Comanche , or "understanding" of their motives for attacking Texans is necessary. They had no business being there in the first place. They had less "right" than the Spanish did, or the Anglos who the Spanish invited in, and much less than those other "native Americans" who lived in the southern plains and New Mexico, and who the Comanche stole from, murdered, and enslaved.
They were murdering marauders, plain and simple.It's right to take sides in this morally clear cut conflict, just as it would be right to take the side of the Erie, or the Huron and Ottawa against the Iroquois.
I just found this channel and I’m really enjoying it, binging all the videos, but I have to say; this guy LOVES the word Neophyte. I’m pretty sure he’s said it in EVERY video I’ve watched so far, usually numerous times in each one. Keep up the great work, I appreciate it, but maybe mix up the vocabulary from time to time 😂
I find in situations like this, people often fault a man like Huston for making the tactical choices he did when there's no guarantee making the other choice would have had a better result. If the Texans had charged, they might have saved the captives. Then again, they might have been cut down by the superiority in numbers and horsemanship of the Comanches. Then Huston would have been blamed for foolishly charging when he should've hunkered down to wait for reinforcements.
People say that alot about ww2. They think Germany could've won if different decisions were made. Yet God willing they had to be defeated. That's what people don't beleive.
@@ShadeRaven222 Fact is the luck of battle was with the germans for the beginning of WWII and and for several months after invading invading the USSR. But when by winter the failed to reach Moscow and the Russians under Stalin were literally going to fight to last man, woman, and child, the German had lost the initiative and it was all downhill for them when America entered the war.
the Indians just did exactly what the white men did to them back in the 1500's it's called carma
There are no guarantees in anything . There is rarely a perfect time . Based on previous experience, the Indians didn't do well against their Anglo opponents in battle
when they were facing a formidable force ; even one greatly outnumbered . The settlers grew up with guns and were good marksman . When you contrast that with arrows , etc. , the settlers win even when outnumbered . They should have charged and rescued . It worked in other battles . You cannot have a
" what if " attitude and win in war .
@@tommurphree5630 It is very difficult to make single statements or decisions that cover all scenarios.
From what little I know the Comanches did quite well until the technology of modern weapons along with destruction of their food sources overwhelmed them. When the Texas rangers started showing up with the first primitive colt Patterson revolvers the tables started to turn. It was the Apaches that resisted the longest with Geronimo and his group being among the last holdouts. Another factor was the whites were often able to recruit allies or least mercenaries from the neighboring native american tribes that had suffered from Comanche and Apache raids.
I don't blame Huston for fighting defencively, especially as he began with an inexperienced force. It would be fare to assume that any kind of rash persuit could have fallen victim to an ambush - something nomad forces are famous for.
TY! Excellent narration. Killin of captives reminds me of Imperial Japan Army treatment of Australian nurses in So. Pacific durin WW2.
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The text of this one illustrating the viciousness of the Comanche was much better and more accurate.
My wife was com Palo Pinto County. I read that county’s history books the first-hand accounts from the Comanche raids... extremely brutal and tragic those.
By all accounts the Camanche made Isis look kind.They were cruel beyond your darkest beleive and torture was apart of honour to them, other tribes hated them.And thye practically genoiced the Apache.
I have some land in Palo Pinto County near the Brazos. Beautiful country.
I just love your channel. Thank you.
Glad you enjoy it! Thank you for watching!
My grandmother was born in flatonia tx. She told me stories of when she was a child, indians still did raids. After reading about Apache raids in the 1930s, I have no doubt the Comanche did the same, and she was telling truth.
1930 I’m sorry not possible
@@jasonschmitt1260 could be from her mother. The story was told to my mother as a child and told to me. Take it or leave it chief.
My 3x great uncle Ole Nystel was a Comanche captive for a few months. He wrote an interesting account of his time with them.
Comanches were, at that time, the world's finest light cavalry.
The Mongols would have completely annihilated every man, woman and child. There wouldn't be a single Comanche left today.
After the little big horn the same was said about the Souix and Cheyenne, the tales of Apache ability to appear and disappear in the deserts of Arizona and Mexico are amazing.
When you live 24/7 on the back of a horse you get pretty good at not falling off.
Thank you for sharing true tales of the past. Thank God for the Texas Rangers who bravely fought the Comanches who abducted, enslaved, tortured, and killed white settlers who just wanted to find a piece of land to call home like anybody else. It has been said that such depridations were a fate worse than death. The Texas Rangers understood that every ride out could be their last and their courage was immeasurable.
Thank God for the ethnic cleansing of the Tonkowa, Lipan, the Caddo Confederacy, the Kiowa, Apache and Comanche; the genocide of those people allowed Christians to seize the land they needed to put their African slaves to work. The Indian Removal act of 1830 was still wet ink on paper, and the Cherokee and Choctaw still marching at gunpoint on the Trail of Tears, when the Rangers were bravely fighting to murder in the name of Jesus and paid in gold for the scalps they "retrieved". Just some good ol' boys, never meanin' no harm until they wanted somethin', them there white "settlers", without a second thought, just wanted land and their greed was immeasurable.
It is why I feel 0 remorse for the Comanche being forced on reservations but in my opinion they should have been wiped out not only for their treatment of the settlers but also for the hundreds of years those animals terrorised the native tribes around them.
@@oligultonn You convey the same genocidal opinion that's so self-centered that any display of remorse at all is impossible.
@@jasonbrown372 yes I have an absolute lack of remorse for the Comanche and I do think that they were let off too easy as they are not native americans but animals. Does not mean I have a lack of remorse for the other Native Americans who got fucked over by the British, US and Canada and forced onto reservations simply because the Americans thought it was the "will of God" for them to own the ancestral homelands of those people.
@@oligultonn Where you go one, you go all
Didn’t tell about all the silver bullion they took from the coastal town. And how the Texans fought them at plum creek and ended chase after they found the bullion.🇺🇸🤠
Thats what they wanted silver gold . And to kill the natives off like scalping the natives and selling so much a scalp
The few they took as captives was nothing compare to killi most of the natives off This was there Country Why did
the y not go to China and take there country and see how far the white man would get In Europe they fight white on white
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This is why I love Andrew Jackson.
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Comanches being the best horsemen at the time can be debated. The Tribes from the Caucasus mountains the Circassians,Chechens and Daghestanis along with the Cossack's and even the descendants of the Mongols the Crimean Tatars and other Tatar tribe's were elite horse warrior's by far. During Napoleon's time he said that if he had Cossack's during his invasion of Russia that he'd been in India in no Time. They were still elite during the mid to late 19th century
Those horsemen defeated the Spanish cavalry who had steel plate armour and guns and did what no other horse culture did; they hung off the side of the horse and used it as a shield as they shot bullets and arrows. I don't think even us the Sioux who were called "the best cavalry on this continent or any other" hung off the side of the horse.
I live in and grew up in Tx... never heard anybody claim comanche to be the best horsemen in the world at that time....just in the US..and if the narrator said "best horsemen at the time"..im pretty sure he meant in the US at the time, because he narrates US western history on this channel
@@justinmiller8249 the Comanche did what no other horse culture did. They hung off the side of the horse and used it as a shield as they shot bullets and arrows. They defeated the Spanish cavalry with their big horses guns and armour.
@@justinmiller8249
That's because you are scared of NUMUNU
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 huh?...thats random and awkward....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that I said was derogetory against comanche people , so im not exactly sure why you are attacking my character? ....but ok lets go there....no, im not scare of numunu, and you seem to be atleast mildly retarded. So like all great nations of this world, the US was and still is a fighting nation. Its one of the human conditions. We all at some point fight each other. Its been so since before recorded history. In the case of indian nation against indian nation, one group found a reason to make war on another group, doesnt matter for what , a greivence, hunting land, slaves, to keep your warriors skills honed..doesnt matter. A strong group made war on a weak group. Now, strong group has one less enemy and more land and all the benifits with go with being a victor..good job! And that was and is the state of North America and the rest of the world long before my own ancestors came to this land...Now, as for indians against europeans, refer to above statement about war and fighting nations.....my ancestors came here, made war, won the war, took the spoils of war...why would i be scared?...the numunu were badasses of their time, nobody refutes that. And at one point, they even pushed westward expansion in Texas backward . But..and a BIG but it is, Texas Rangers and the US cavalry still won the war which allowed westward expansion to continue. Anyhow, have a good day little buddy, dont lick to many windows and always wear your helmet. 🙂
Great video, enjoy learning more about our history. Anyone know what the background music is?
Great stuff thanks!!!
Great channel.
Thank you for this most interesting documentary, extraordinary days by any account, the sad loss of life of babies and women is a blot on the warriors but I am sure that both sides had similar experience. The illustrations and artwork in this video are amazing in quality and really brings to life the actions of the time.
I like the background music. What's the name of the band/song.
Excellent content and delivery. Subscribed.
Thank you
The description of the Comanches at 2:34 reminds me of the "legion of horribles" paragraph from Blood Meridian.
Good post guys!!!
Great stories. I love listening to these
Brilliant!!!
I went to Lockhart High School, Plum Creek Elementary school and my surname is Travis… so yea, I get “it”. Read “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy for a darkly beautiful eerily poetic rendering of these Comanches and their death cult brutality
When a young officer graduated from West Point, his classmates referred to him as Sam Grant because his first 2 initials in his name was U.S. Anyway he was one of the greatest horseman West Point ever produced. As a young man he could ride standing up on the back of his horse!!! Yes, the Comanche threw up a wall of blood shed for 40 Year's!!
Great episode. Would request that you turn on captioning for us old geezers with failing hearing. Thank you!
I agree. I turn the volume all the way up and listen with earbuds.
Headphones will help.
I LOVE LEARNING MORE ABOUT TEXAS RANGERS AND INDIANS AND OLD GUN 🔫 EVERY THING HAVE TO DO WITH THE OLD WEST
Where do you get your film footage from? Anyway you could link it in the info of your videos?
It takes your breath to hear the details of our nations past. I believe we should all know what it took to get where we are now. I also think diplomacy would have led to a much greater outcome than the heroism required to achieve peace in the west. Violence repaid with more violence is tragic. My heart goes out to both sides.
Stories from survivors say the Comanche's seemed to enjoy watching the slow painful deaths from there captives
Nothing new under the sun. There is an old Greek story that tells how one Thracian tribe took tens of thousands of war prisoners taken from a defeated rival tribe back to their capital, just so that all the people could share in the spectacle of their deaths.
I AM A BIG FAN OF THE OLD WEST HISTORY
It seems like this video showed some clips from a movie presuming to portray the story of Nancy Crosby, does anybody know the name of this film?
Missing, Dances With Wolves, Lonesome Dove
I think it is perhaps the film named Hostiles. It's on Netflix at this moment. It's a very decent watch.
@@darrenharkin5633 I think it did have a couple scenes from that one also
Imagine the horror of the merchant traders in the town square in San Antonio that day when Matilda Lockhart was rolled in. She was in a cage and she was denuded of nose. All there was were the 2 holes in her face to breathe out of. I imagine it caused an immediate skirmish. She saw the worst of it and lived a while after as did Josiah and his other brother of the Wilbarger family. He was scalped and lived another 11 years. His story is one of the most amazing out there with Sarah Hornsby having a paranormal account that saved him. Look into it. Great stuff all around my stomping grounds. My poor city is currently over run with tech trash. At times I think I would much rather deal with the Comanche than see another Tesla driving down Oltorf. Times change and it is usually for the worse.
You mean the Comanche of today; there's about 17,000, and 7,000 around Lawton. That would be a welcome bridge of cultures.
*MorRon!!!!*
Full of steers and LGBT, stay there and out of CANADA!!
Thats nuts. Those tesla driving hippys live to kiss any foreigners butt. The indians were unbelievable savage and know one even knows. If they had things like that happen to them, you would never hear the end of it.
@@paulflak2823why would anyone want to go to Canada ? Free medical ?
The best book Ive read about this subject is "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S.C. Gwynne
Real good book.
Check out the book, "The children of grace" by Bruce Hampton.
It's about Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce and the running battle they had with the US military on 1877.
We live in the same situation... Just a different time... People are always gonna be murderers...Only our Heavenly Father can know Why He loves us..
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Excellent story
Great infos, as usual. It would be nice if you could name at least the movies from which you show scenes, better even if the pictures and photos used were mentioned (however that would be a lot of work).
Well the first scenery pic is enchanted rock 🪨 a huge mother spaceship sized granite bolder that has hiking trails, it’s outside Fredericksburg, it might as well be the heart of the hill country.
The Spanish were fighting comanches long before in New Mexico and Texas in the 16 and 1700's as well.
We have an episode on the Massacre at San Saba!
@@historyattheokcorral this video was a very good one. I’m new to your channel. I’ll check that one out! Apparently there’s an ancestor of mine who was captured for long while then they released her. I don’t know details. Here in New Mexico I guess the Buffalo Soldiers in Ft Stanton were there to fight them as well. But not totally sure.
If you ever find any more info please let us know!
Spain in SW US in 1540s...
What movie are the scenes taken from? Great video!
Largely from "Hostiles", a fantastic film!
The “flashpoint that started all of this” was the formation of the first Strand of DNA…
I woke in a sleep paralysis and I seen a shadow man of a large native american wearing a top hat and a burgundy trench coat.
I had a dream about a friendly cat. He told me an old lady owned him.
Sorry about that! 😳
Great video and narration. Any plans to make video soon about Mexican/Spanish Dragoons de Cuero and the battle of Tucson 1779?
I never knew this was a thing but now I want to hear more of it
fuk that stupid story motherfukker
That is now on our list!!
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq Yes, there was few battles between Apaches and Mexicans/Spanish in 1780's. It was before invention of rapid firearms and cold steel was used often, with Mexicans using long lances.
@@historyattheokcorral Great!
very interesting
Legendary
This is why I laugh when someone says this was all mexico lmao, the Comanche and, the Apache would have had plenty to say about that.
In every part of the world of which we have knowledge, at some time in history fighting among tribes was normal. There were individuals who attempted to rule their world; there were great war leaders and not so great war leaders. The faster way for a young man to become respected and admired was through success in war or raiding, depending on which culture and which period of history; sometimes it was the only way. Slavery was normal. Killing enemies and captives was normal. We may look at such things with horror now, but as another poster has mentioned, our own savagery is still there: we just hide it better. If we are returned to more primitive times when we have to fight for food, savagery will return.
Agreed!
You are correct! We will kill to live!
The Comanche were "mostly peaceful" in their raiding.
Marine vietnam vet, here, when we had a firefight with the NVA. it was mostly peaceful shooting also, lol
True violating of women and kids came from the american side which was then adopted by the indians as payback. But the victors right the story and tell it for benefit 🤷🏻
Whatever. They raided other tribes, raped, pillaged, took slaves, and killed each other long before the settlers came. White men didn't teach them that. I suppose the headhunters in Borneo and the cannibals of new guinea learned that from the white man too?
@@nottestellata1889 how do you know that if no white men were around to see it?
Yeah and white people were really nice
It feels like its the war that had a indeterminate beginning with no end to be found, Its was destined and terrible.
The Comanche had so cowed the Mexicans they gave Stephen F Austin and other Americans huge grants of land. The idea was to keep the American settlers between the Indians and Mexicans as a buffer to Comanche raids and aggression which it did. It soon became apparent the Americans were an even bigger threat to the Mexicans than were the Comanche.
Ive read alot on these times,and trying to be understanding,sympathetic with the destruction of the redman s ways of life&culture,I have no sympathy for the Commanche.
As mentioned,the somewhat shorter Apaches who lived into large central portions of Texas,they were violently persecuted and ended up living in the bosque river and hill country of western,then eastern and finally New Mexico,Arizona territories to exact as brutal revenge over the next 45 years on inexperienced and honest settlers seeking the American dream too.Such were the terrors of life in these times.
Would to God some ways of patience &understanding could have been rigourously enforced to hold and keep the peace,but alas it appeared that Commanches broke the mold for utter cruelty!
These fights and murders weren’t as random as one might think. It was caused by bad governance and horrible leadership, driven by greed and or false celebrity and the power that comes with it.
I am feeling very attacked by the full screen stream a few minutes into this video
Thank you for adjusting my illusions.
Wow.
Both sides made war to the knife edge
Ironically, the only reason any native Americans had horses was because of the arrival of Europeans.
Far out, the Comanche were particularly nasty. Killing prisoners as they are about to be rescued is the height of hate.. I kinda don't feel bad they were hunted down. They even killed off the other tribes like what? Common enemy much?
War Path or no Path back in the day that's all they new
Nancy wasn’t a Granddaughter to Daniel Boone. Her Mom was 1st cousin to Rebecca Boone. So I believe that would make her a second cousin by marriage to Daniel.
What movie was that in the background
Comanche did not know what they would be up against.
Sometimes you hit the gas, and not the brakes.
This engagement and war with the Comanche was not avoidable unless all whites were to leave Texas. Not happening. The Comanche were fiercely territorial and fought to virtual extinction. They were mean, ruthless, cunning, fierce, and visionary. They knew when the Spanish came to wipe the Spanish out to exist. The same for the Mexicans. The American/European settlers won this war by sheer numbers and technology. Their tactics was their undoing. Raiding parties have no support or supply chain other than what they can capture and each that goes buy those supplies are exhausted a little more until they starve themselves, or in combat, exhaust themselves, which is what happened.
There's a difference between battle and gunfight. In numbers
Subjective.
The Texas Rangers were not yet armed with revolvers in 1840.
What was the name of the raid where the Comanche or apache ended up in a dress of one of their captives?
imagine dozens and dozens (maybe more) of Indian Braves and chief sexually assaulting a child for god knows how long and then after concocting a plan to sell her back for supplies and respect of territory...no wonder they (the Comanche) got slaughtered instead of getting what they demanded, i would have done the same if i was the Texans and saw and heard what that child went through.
It has always been man's nature to fight and War. From Cain and Abel to Iraq and Afghanistan it is up to the individual as to how far he is willing to go to champion his particular cause.
@Mike Arnold indeed my friend and I'm afraid we're going to see some of that right in our own backyard pretty soon
In the past we fought wars to win. Now we fight wars to make money for the military industrial complex. I would say this started bigtime with Vietnam. It never was about winning.
We should have never been there in the first place.
Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. To think that we can fix their problems with our nice war fighting way is insanity. To fight and win in Iraq and not take their oil to pay for it is also insanity. The Russians were brutal, and they could not win in Afghanistan, how could we possibly win. If we would have fought like Comanches in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan we would have won with our resources.
@@jimbob8533 I agree except for the fact that this country has always fought Wars for economic reasons. From the Revolutionary War all the way to the one we're about to be engaged in over Ukraine. And as far as our military complex goes we are stretched very thin. War profiteering doesn't go to our military complex anymore it just lines the pockets of the people who control it. If we would let the generals fight the war and not the politicians we would be Comanche strong. And I'm certainly not talking about traitors like Miley.
@@johnovanic9560 I agree, Yes it is always about money but their policy's and rules now stop us from winning.