CZ 600 Trail 223 Should you buy it and other info cz600 trail
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2023
- Answering all your questions about the CZ600 Trail and also some worth mentioning details. Stock wobble, cheek piece, cycling the action, and the role that this rifle can play. Also I point out the dented cases and some failures to fire, which i can attribute to ammo QC issues, not the rifle.
The ammo in question was Winchester white box and Norma. in all cases the primer was struck twice without fire. I have ran plenty of hard primer steel case without a single issue.
Scope used in this video: Crimson Trace Harline 3-12x30
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Nice to see somebody appreciates bolt action rifles. Nice presentation dude!
Thanks! I love me some bolt action!
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel do a mag dump video
@@geezerp1982 ammo is expensive, lol but it dumps just fine
I'd like to see a chassis like this available for the Ruger American/Predator...
Sharps brothers 😉
Great video, as a reloader the dented casings is a no go.
Fantastic video! Always a blast to see folks honestly straight up having fun!! All the best Sir 🍻 glad you’re happy with it and can’t wait to see what you do to change it up 👍🏻
Thanks for checking it out! I’ll have more videos on it soon !
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Right On 👍🏻
Great review, I'm waiting on the 300blk version but good to see how the firearm functions as a whole.
Glad you love and enjoy your purchase......CZ are great rifles. Nice informative and entertaining video, Sir. Thanks!
Just a fine pick up and you said it as there is just something about working a bolt action that is so satisfying....Awesome....Good stuff....
It definitely has a vibe to it. Running a bolt action is like driving a manual transmission. You become one with the rifle
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Good comparison....
Man Thanks for this fantastic presentation video
Brilliant stuff. Pretty and practical rifle.
I like that thing! 👌 happy new year bro!
Happy new year Eltenda!
I like that gun too! Might have to look for one for myself! Thanks for the video
Its excellent! Ill have more videos with it soon.
I appreciate the fine details, the round being dented is a significant issue for reloaders
Thanks for your review it was very helpful.
In Australia, our options for tactical rifles are limited.
This rifle is definitely on my short list.
I'm just waiting for them to arrive in the country.
Thank you for checking it out!
I just picked mine up in Australia. Here they are 20inch barrels not 16.
@@dtomic17
Let's us know your thoughts
Cheers
@@25Alpha we will see if the extra 4 inches and 1:9 twist is more accurate!
@@25Alphawhat compensator you using. Also what thread?
thank you ,sir.
This is a great looking rifle.
sorry for the late response. It really is a cool looking rifle, and so much fun!
Fantastic gun!!! Nice!!! The Czechs succeeded with this carbine. They made a repeater in the AR system and a compact rifle came out, both for shooting and hunting ... Bravo!!!
Its really easy to compare this bolt action to an AR due to its features.
I love it, Long time no see!!!
Been on a break for some time. Trying to get back in the swing!
Awesome review, got mine a few weeks ago and am setting it up very similarly to yours! I only just realized there's rail on the front of the stock pad - what's that accessory you have mounted there?
Merci pour cette très bonne présentation de cette arme spécifique ✌️
Thank you for this nice and professional video. I have one question: which rail you use to mount the optic? And which kind of sights? I lole them very much. Thanks and greetings from Italy ✌
Thx for the nice video. Can you tell, is the denting a big deal? is there some risk or problems for shooting this gun if its denting the rounds?
Great video 👍👍
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
On my list but in the .300 blackout. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for watching!
I was waiting for those light strike rounds to go off in his hand
Pretty cool rifle, but I have yet to be able to see it in person. I’ve often wondered why Mfg’s go with 223 and not 223 Wylde. Would it make that much difference $$ to safely accommodate 5.56. Thanks again for your take on the CZ.
Interesting way to mount the scope, it seems to make scenes
It is enough to screw in the knurled screw locking the rail in the place of the screw securing the stock extension rail holder on one side, and the entire set of the sliding stock will be locked and there will be no slack on the stock ...
Eating 50% of the brass is a problem for me, since I enjoy reloading.. but this looks like a nice little bolt 👍🏽
I think this is an early one. My 7.62x39 600 Trail does not do this.
I'm a big fan of bolts with higher calibers. 308, 6.5cm, 30-06, 338, chevtac. I love the 5.56 in a bolt, but I'm more interested in rifle rounds vs carbine......I will say 5.56 in bolt does so many things that help, examples are cheaper practice/midrange hunting/accessories and predictable drop.
That’s exactly my thought on this rifle in particular. As you mentioned, the 556 is a great caliber within its limitations. It’s affordable, it’s versatile, it’s easy to shoot. It definitely makes sense in this type of rifle as the first offering. I don’t doubt that if this rifle sells well that they will offer larger calibers
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel it's just gone to the top of my next to buy list..............once I get the wife on board. The life of a married man and his guns.
@@skydivingcomrade1648 oh trust me, man. I know that all too well hahah. I had a little explaining to do with this one lol
Have you noticed if the left side rounds get damaged all the way till the last one, or are the dents on the brass related to the spring pressure, meaning if you have smaller magazine size, like 10, the brass takes less damage? This was gonna be my next purchase, but I reload my brass and that little detail, is a problem for me. Thanks!!!
A friend of mine is attending the CZUB Gunsmithing School at this time. I showed him your video pointing out the damage to the brass in the left side of the magazine. He will present your video the next time at school in the beginning of February.
Awesome, did he have much to say about it? I Havnt contacted CZ about it yet.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I believe anyone who sees that damage to the cases would say that's not normal. It will be interesting to see if they have anything to say about it in the CZUB Gunsmithing School. If I were you I would definitely contact CZ-USA about it.
@@SasaMic Are you having any updates of your friend?
Any feedback from CZ yet?
Do you prefer the magpul grip? I find if I shoot alot the safety hits my hand I wonder if it's removable on one side
Can you tell me what that scope mount you use is, that has clearance for the pop up rear sight ?
Did you find the AR scope mount or traditional rings to be a better fit height wise?
Just curious - what are using to attach the sling to front of the rifle? I can see the stock has a QD connection. Thanks!
They guarantee like 2moa on these. I could see these getting popular as a truck, or back pack gun for pest control like coyotes. It being light and compact makes it perfect for behind the seat, or packed into the woods. Probably the only rifle within the 600 line I'd be interested in owning.
I have an accuracy video coming soon. It’s easily capable of sub MOA with good ammo. I tested it with affordable 223 and 556 and was able to get sub MOA with Hornady Frontier 55grain 556. That being said, some of the ammo I used was wildly 3-4 MOA. But again, it was cheap ammo
CZ said themselves in a video they say 2moa only because the other model is 7.62x39.
I have the .223 one. It shoots holes in holes with hand loads.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel of you can get this rifle to shoot sub moa, you'll be the only gun tuber to achieve that.
3 shit groups don't count.
Let me get that 527! You ain't gonna need it anymore, bruh! 😅 I missed put on them, had to settle for the ruger 7.62x39.
Nice rifle and review. Where did you get the handguard plastic cover and technical information of the flash hider? Thanks
The flash hider is your run of the mill A2 device and the plastic covers are magpul hand stop kit and M-lok covers
Is your scope mount reversed? I imagine it was the only way to get your eye relief set and have a flip up rear sight on the rail as well.
I paid close attention to the stock when you were shooting, that's not bad at all...certainly nowhere near a deal breaker for me. A smidge of wobble is fine, I was just worried about if it was flimsy and cheap feeling. It seemed to be fine tho. I'm definitely going to grab one, it's been on the wish list for too long now to not eventually get it. Thanks for the video, and touching upon all the questions I had. Cheers homie!
Yeah buddy! Thanks for checking it out. It’s is actually very solid when braced on your shoulder. It does not at all feel cheap. I’m a stickler for things that feel cheap, can’t stand it. This is not the case here
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Yean man, I'm definitely excited about it again, I kind of forgot about it for a while, but I definitely have to rebuild my collection after having to sell almost everything I had last year,,,my heart still hurts from that one, but divorce is truly a bitch haha.
@@cmbn.y.7681 I’m actually in the same boat, man. Most of my investments or gone
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I'm sorry to hear that bro. 2022 was indeed the worst year of my 43 years. I've never been so glad to see a year in the rearview mirror. Keep your head up tho, hopefully 2023 is our year!
Unfortunately, CZ has yet to make the right-side cheek piece available. I'm not a lefty but I do "hot swaps" to shoot around barricades.
Kinds wish they offered this in other calibers other than the 2 that's already offered.
Sling set up looks great. What is it ?
I’d have jumped on board but I don’t particularly care for the polymer chassis. Seems to be a kick ass rifle though.
The only reason why I would have that gun in 5.56/.223 is to convert it to .300BO. I waited until I could get the 7.62x39 version. My CZ 527 in 7.62x39 showed me what that cartridge can do from a bolt gun. My only complaint about the gun is the lack of a cheek piece on the right side for leftys and right-handers doing "hot swaps" to shoot around barricades.
My cz527 in 7.62x39 showed me that the round is capable in the right design. The AK is a lead launcher. But in the cz527, it’s actually shows the consistency, such as it does in the Ruger American ranch
I just pulled the trigger on one today in 7.62 flavor. Specifically for a light wait compact whitetail getter
Been looking for videos on the 7.62, how are your groupings at 100 if you don't mind me asking?
If you are looking for 7.62x39 magazines for that gun, Greg Cote LLC has them for half what they cost from the factory in Czechia.
@@inthezoneeeechiefmine shoots about 2.5moa with steel-cased mil-surp ammo and about 1.5moa with good, reloadable PPU. I have a 2x prism scope on it as well as Magpul BUIS.
@@dbmail545 I will check it out thanks
@@dbmail545 Thanks for the info. I think I'm going to pull the trigger on one and slap the primary arms 3x prism.
Nice video! I have a question about the bolt: Some people claim that although it doesn't have a Mauser type action, the rifle provided a controlled feeding of the rounds. And since the 600 series of rifles is much more expensive than the 527 and 557 I think it would not be too much to ask for. What's your impression?
It is not a Mauser action, for sure. But it is a semi controlled feed acting. The cartridge will actually spring up onto the bolt head where it is captured and presented to the chamber. It’s a smooth action and seems very reliable with the 200rds that I have in it so far
I am still on the fence but man I would love one in 300BLK. Perfect under 150m deer gun. But the likelihood of the 300BLK being available in Canada any time soon is slim and none😥
If they made this in 308 I would’ve already bought it. I like it, but the caliber isn’t practical as a hunting/trail rifle. I prefer the AR I already have, but this would be great as a 308 if kept light
That's exactly what I was thinking, the 223 doesn't seem practical...
The buttstock is kinda flimsy for a full power cartridge. It isn't like the HK collapsing buttstock but it also isn't as heavy.
@@donice88 A .223 bolt gun isn't practical. 7.62x39 OTOH is a great little hunting cartridge. Equivalent to 30-30 Winchester and available as a 255gr subsonic hunting load.
I wish they just made a 527 which takes AR mags, has a clip guide, and used a 3-position Ruger/Winchester safety. Instead they just abandon the only micro-Mauser action anyone makes and replace it with a gun which chews up it's own brass.
I'm sure it's accurate, I'm sure it's light, I'm sure it's handy, and I'm sure it's not for me. I don't think it'll enjoy the success the 527 did, and I pray they have an improved 527 on the drawing board.
I think it’s a very interesting concept, but I think I may wait until they have a Gen 2 or 3 version that has worked all the quirks out.
Hopefully by then, they will have made the decision to offer more calibers
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I guess I am pretty much alone with this opinion, but I would love to see a 9x19 version of this or some other bolt action rifle. Or pump action rifle. These would be cheap to shoot fun plinkers, and suitable for pistol ranges and steel targets at short ranges. I even think, a .223 bolt could also handle 9x19 without any changes, so only the barrel and magwell would need to be changed.
@@sebastianhabel7312 speaking of that, did you see the new POF Tombstone 9mm? It’s a lever gun that takes 20rd detachable mags in 9mm.. I think it’s about 2 grand tho
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Just took a look at it, and it looks really cool. Thanks for the hint. But I wouldn't complain if it was a bit cheaper XD
@@sebastianhabel7312 yeah, 2grand is too rich for my blood lol but it is cool, like it or hate it, you are at least intrigued by it.
They now need to chamber it in 350 Legend.
shoot in can 5.56 ?
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Any additional information on the denting cases problem with CZ 600 trail?
I have not contacted them yet on the issue, but i also dont see it as so abnormal. My mini14 would do the same thing... pretty sure i had another boltaction (cant remember which one) that would do the same.
Just yesterday I pre-ordered CZ600 Trial. Already have 600 Lux 223 Rem.
There is no replacement for the 527 in my opinion, but i feel like the Lux is as close as you can get. I want one for myself.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I forgot to mention that I just sold my 527 7.62x39 because of few problems. Maybe I'm too picky with my rifles but if any of them create some problem I'm getting rid of it (including Sako S-20). So far the ONLY rifle without any problems is my 70 years-young Winchester 94 :) ... and CZ 600 Lux is working great so far.
@@waldemar4919 just curious. What was the issue with the 527
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel 1st problem was the mag with bad feeding the rounds. Finally needed to buy another mag. 2nd, very first day on the range I lost the obviously badly installed rear sight. Not big deal because I used the scope. CZ parts support never answered when I asked for help to find the replacement. Finally, after several months my gunsmith has found one for me.
Awesome video. Thanks! If you are left handed can the cheek pice be swapped over?
Thank you! And no, it cannot due to the bolt. Which will make contact with cheek piece if on the other side
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel awe that's a bummer I was really wanting one of these. Thank you so much for the quick reply!
@@Levichilton93 in all reality tho, you may not even need it. i will make an attempt to shoot from the other side without the cheek piece to see how it effects the shooter. Because their are plenty of firearms that have this stock, without the cheek piece.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I'm picky and love getting a good cheek weld on the rifle. I've shot other rifles such as lever actions that have a scope mounted, that is much higher than the stock and I shoot with nearly my whole cheek off the stock and I really don't like it. love having a solid cheek rest, my groups increase big time.
My question would be with it having the price tag of a decent quality AR, what makes this the better choice.
Is it inherently more accurate due to the bolt action? Is it just a novelty for guys with gun safes already full of ARs?
Inherently this rifle gets compared to an AR. I tried to cover this thought in the video, but I missed an important couple of bits. A suppressor on a bolt action is much more quiet and not as much gas in the face. Unfortunately the argument over bolt action or semi auto come down to preference anymore. And the better answer might be “this isn’t just another AR”.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I meant no disrespect. I agree with the logic about suppressing, I was just generally curious.
@@adamhoffman9965 you’re good, none taken 👍
Bolt guns just work and don't break not like an ar, they ate easily cleaned less moving parts if you want a shtf rifle hard to beat the trail and it lighter.
Ive got one in .223. I love it for a snowmachine gun here in Alaska. They messed up one big thing with it though:
They made the barrel a 1 in 7 twist so it can handle the heavy long bullets, except....They made it with AR-15 mags, which dont allow the super long bullets 😩. Defeats the purpose of having the 1-7 twist. The long eld and 90 grainers dont fit in the mags!
Id be perfectly fine with a proprietary magazine that allows a longer C.O.A.L.
I’ve had a lot of duds in Winchester white box .308 lately.
Amazing video. Would you recommend this over a cz 527?? I'm seriously torn
Tough call. They are two completely different animals. Not to mention, CZ stopped making the 527 now. So if that’s a gun you want, pick it up when you can find it. May not have another chance for a while. This gun is new and loads of fun with plenty of features that out weigh the 527. But the 527 is such a classic sweat heart. Sorry man, that’s a tough call.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel thank you for the detailed response. I will have to mill it over . Cheers
Question: where did you buy the "birdcage" flame-hider? CZ 600 Trail has M15x1 threaded muzzle (metric) and all I can find for my rifle is 1/2x28. I tried to order from Europe but they have also only 1/2x28 since AR-15 become popular - and NO metric size.
In Australia there is a gunsmith called gun bloke. Google him. He's pretty cheap also. He makes plenty of 15x1
The US market guns come with 1/2x28tpi and 5/8x24tpi threads respectively.
CZ gang
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I want one in 300 blackout
I am absolutely getting one. I hope they do make it in 308 eventually as well but here is the points ive wanted:
Rail all the way across the top for my choice of iron sights, what good is a rifle with no sights if your scope breaks in the field
Ar mags, this is huge
Smooth action with rediculiously strong case ejection, i dont know how many times ive tried running bolt guns fast and they jam, unless they are the mauser non rotating claw style, and this gun actually has a version of that. Look at that brass fly.
Collapsible stock. This thing is super light and tiny for transport. Its perfect for the trail as its name implies, but transport, weight, this thing is easy peasy. its also just going to be a fun, functional shooter.
Yes, you can buy an ar cheaper, i have them, but running a bolt has its place and frankly its fun as hell.
Thanks for the video man.
Want to comment because you said something I don't hear often these days - "I like to have iron sights on my bolt actions." I've been in the market for a bolt gun that has irons (for target shooting at my local range) for a long while, but they're hard to come by. There's the 2 or 3 scout rifles, some traditional internal magazine-fed hunting rifles, and some 100-year old rifles.... but not much else. And the vast majority of them are in .308 or 30-06.
This CZ 600 Trail sounded appealing, though. What sort of irons did you put on yours? How well do they function (if you've used them)? Thanks for the video, regardless - it was definitely helpful.
I had a basic set of “OTW” ?? Brand on there just to have flip up back up. But I also ran a set of CZ scorpion irons, but that required me to remove the little cheek piece to get low enough to comfortably see them. Surprisingly it wasn’t too bad chin welding the bars on the stock.
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The dent on the casing is concerning. The rifle would have to be $300 cheaper for me to consider with that defect.
Big whoop my ar does the same thing
As a reloader the dented casings is a no go.
@@Jason-ti9ou the case fire forms in the chamber so not a issue maybe a bit of over pressure because of the dent, but that's a good thing😅
LOP looks short to me…and does it handle 5.56 also?
Yes. European gun makers do not differentiate the .223 from 5.56.
so will a AR mag fit into the CZ or does it require a mag made by CZ ??
It takes AR mags, but it seems most metal AR mags won’t fit.
that thing needs a maxim defense stock
Oh they missed the ball for a 6 arc version. Make a damn nice truck gun
Would love to see one in 6.5 Grendel.
Did you ever consider just slapping a Uintah Precision upper on a lower you already have?
I have considered it, but the price tag wouldn’t allow me to justify it. I picked this one up for under $1k
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Ah, I see. I was comparing MSRP to MSRP, but your case makes sense.
@@TexasLeverGunner definitely! Id still opt for this. Even if I wonted to drop that much on their upper, id still have to drop money on a lower that could collapse down like this, pushing the total way higher that it needs to be. This CZ600 Trail checks all the marks for an affordable bolt action AR.
Torn between this and an alpha.
Definitely two completely different animals
What muzzle brake is that?
Think its just an a2 birdcage
I was super excited for the 7.62x39 version but it looks like that one is never coming out. 😑
It will. I hear they will be introducing 300black as well.
They are FINALLY available, two years after their announcement! Just ordered a 7.62x39 version last night! 😄👍
I just got the in stock notification and am heavily considering 🤤
Almost did then I remembered I already own ar15s
It’s a design flaw if the bolt is putting dents in the ammo in the magazine. And reloading this ammo will be dangerous. For this cost I’d expect more out of this rifle. Can get a lot more rifle for this amount of money from other companies. Is this a nitch rifle yes it is with the collapsible stock and being a bolt gun however for the money just not something I am interested in.
I’d like to hear from other cz600 trail owners if they have the same issue with the bent cases. I have a mini14 that would do the same thing.
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Ok I'm sold at 1:40 ish 😂
The classic bolt action AR 15 California assault riffle. Lmao. It's youtube Gun-Fu. 😂
Make it in 243.
Otherwise, no.
it is like a big pistol, accuracy is garbage lol
Im making 1inch groupings with mine at 400 yards.
@@Sprtann hey great results. but can you post a link here
De todo el universo de rifles esté luce bien y práctico para hacer tiros , en mi país doble moral no tenemos el derecho de poseer armás cómo estás
Ok...what's the cost?
1000 to 1100$ what I have seen for now
I picked this one up new for under 1k
Merci pour cette très bonne présentation de cette arme spécifique ✌️