Hope this was interesting! It's always awesome to see innovative machines coming out of countries you generally wouldn't expect. Please feel free to leave any questions and feedback for the Meticulous team here. ☕
Probably the most interesting product in coffee for a while. Also, the founder seems very approachable and down to earth, which bodes well for the future. Especially when comparing to others, namely John and Weber. Finally, as a software engineer, the fact that the software is already so polished intrigues me even more.
Is it reasonable to ask what your opinion is on the value proposition here? How do you think it compares to other products in its proposed price range? Is this as good a deal as it seems? Would you buy one???
This is so rad, it’s like an F58 and a decent had a love child. This opens the possibilities of easily using custom water like a F58, but then have the repeatability of profiles like a decent.
Perfect solution to those who want Decent-level control over variables AND want to experiment with coffee water without worrying about destroying the machine. 150 mils is enough to pull a crazy long allonge too. I wonder if they are thinking up a solution for those who want a steam wand that would blend aesthetically with this. I'm hyped!
I am really excited about this machine! Since Kickstarter is only in March you have time to look at the condensation, the patent worries, the declining tem profile, etc. I would love a plumb-in option so only a 1/4" line with an electronically controlled valve to fill the reservoir in an integrated way. This would remove the pour-over step and leave only the frothing on the side.
Stealth AND tiny espresso machine. The levers are stealth or close to it, but usually bigger (like La Pavoni) or considerably bigger (like Profitec Pro 800).
Looks amazing. UI is gorgeous. Decent should copy your homework. I hope you guys have a milk steamer in your design pipeline, whether as a companion device or a v2 model.
Wow! Amazing. And because there are no boilers or water pumps and no tubing, scaling should be a total non-issue. It looks like this has Decent-like minute control of a shot, with the very easy maintenance and dependability of a lever machine.
Carlos sounds like a serial entrepreneur and a great engineer. I immediately think of the bosetamper, an engineer bringing a product to life. Wish it had a water tank but that certainly complicates things. Would say to make a little more profit, want the company to be around and support early models, this will take money. Carlos, good luck, hope its supported well.
Thank you for this video - what a great machine! This is thinking outside the box! I hope to hear a lot more about this machine! Great idea - now make it count!
Love the design and I'm sure it will do well. For people that just want an espresso shot its a great design but for those of us that like our micro foam $1500 is rough when you need to buy additional equipment to steam milk with.
Thanks for the video and helping show off this machine. Some impressive stuff going on and some wonderful design. I did wonder about the brew button located above the water reservoir area and that condensation. Look forward to seeing this machine progress.
17:44 Funny, I was just thinking about brew temperatures, my old Rocket E61 HX machine had the boiler PID set to 120c by default and said that would give you about 200f (93c) brew temperature at the group. My Current ECM dual Boiler E61 machine I believe the PID setting is supposed to give you the actual brew temperature or that's what it's designed to estimate anyway (PID is still setting the boiler temperature but has an offset based on their testing on how much temperature loss you get while the water travels from the boiler to the brew group, it might be 10c loss or whatever, and they factor that calculation in) that's my understand of it anyway. I tested with an E61 group thermometer and found the Setting of 200f on the PID would give me about 196f max brew temperature, 198f more like 193-194, which You'd think is too cool, but the thing is, even with light roasts the coffee still turns out good. I know Decent brand machines their default temperature is lower, like 91c I believe which is about 196f, So I'm wondering what is the actual brew temperature most people are brewing at? The 85c /185f brew temperature here seems pretty low, why would you say it didn't need that hot of a temperature with this type of brewer?
Buen trabajo Carlos! Con gusto apoyare la campaña! Brian Great work too! Your channel is great! Not bias as others have became! Thanks for your videos!
We need more people like this in specialty coffee industry. Innovation is one of the things that this industry lacks the most. There are too many lazy, conservative brands/people who are stuck in the past. Looks at brands like Baratza, Comandante, Mahlkönig, etc.
Love this concept. I’m all-in on the design - a dream come true. Quiet like a lever machine but easy like an automatic! I love that you don’t NEED the app to use it. My only suggestion: I feel that low-tech is elegant, so I’d like the option to turn off Wifi communication and bluetooth and just use buttons once preferences are set. Thank you for this review, Brian and I’m on the list at Meticulous Home! Great design!
If this thing delivers, it's a Catch and my Dream machine. I have a flair pro 2 since 3 years and I haven't pulled more enjoyable shots even on much more expensive or sophisticated machines. Sometimes it's just a Hassel to heat up everything, and the cleanup involved. Basically a flair with automatic kettle and automatic water refill would be my dream machine. Notes to the DeV: include a flow profiler for your machine that I can put into my flair. I then create my favorite profile the way I pull it on a real manual lever and then plug it into your machine which does the same but automatic. I'd spent more than 1k on that ^^
Hi, I also like the machine, especially the software looks really good. I just wanted to mention that the Meticulous team should check various patents which they probably infringe before they sell the product. Duvall has patented many motorized pistons for heated beverages. Also La Marzocco holds various patents for integrated scales (that's the main reason you only see bluetooth scales for commercial machines). I do not know whether or not they are interested in such small companies and personally I don't think the companies would win any lawsuit with those patents due to the low level of innovation, but for now those patents are there and I wanted to mention that.
I'm ngl, ever since I got a lever machine, I've always wondered why machines aren't built this way (motorized piston). Hope to see how this evolves in the future!
I still use a Cafelat Robot because I love the customisable piston pressure and feel that I get. This seems like the next upgrade. A few big concerns for me though is the condensation above the water boiler - it needs a spout big time, maybe a turnable one that opens in one position when pouring then turn to close. It will also prevent dirt, dust, critters, etc. getting in there when not in use. Also, Temperature stability is not imo a selling point in all respects. I want my temp at the puck to drop throughout the shot, that's the 'lever profile'. I can see this being relatively easy to do. Lastly, the height of the portafilter above the cup is a bit much. Three smaller things - we saw flow rate profiling, but does it do pressure profiling too? That's far more important to me. What is clean-up like? Once you take the portafilter off, how much water comes out? How easy is it to clean the water boiler and the piston? Serviceability - how easy is it to replace the scales if/when they break, replace seals, upgrade software, and all that stuff that allows this to be used or 10+ years. That's a lot of money for a coffee machine and must be addressed if you want me to buy this. Look at Decent, when I buy that machine, I'm guaranteed that it can be serviced, fixed and upgraded thoughout it's entire life.
I'm pretty sure a lot of your questions are addressed in this video. You might have missed it but they do discuss the condensation issue briefly (planning on adding a fan I think). They also talk about servicing and cleaning as well. They even mention that it can do both pressure profiling and flow profiling.
Looks incredible. For me, great design and simplicity go hand in hand. Designing products that work well and are easy to repair/service is what I like to see. My current espresso machine works great but does not have any way to customize preinfusion or pressure and this machine seems like it does everything I would ever want, while also saving space, energy, and with far fewer parts!
Cool, I only need 5 coffee devices on your countertop now. A Meticulous espresso machine, maybe the meticulous milk frother, a grinder, a fellow kettle, and a xBloom.👍 Have meticulous thought about adding a mini fan to blow away the steam buildup like the xBloom? But that might ruin the look... and i guess it's ok if the plunger is water sealed 🤔.
Looks very nice and promising! Nice if we're finally getting a good profiling / smart espresso machine for a decent price. One down side of going with a thinner brew chamber might be that it will end up getting hotter on the outside, being less insulated maybe. That's one down side of the typical lever machines like La Pavoni Europiccola. The display on the machine looks beautiful but maybe could be larger or maybe switch between modes if that's possible, like just show the weight scales numbers (so that it's larger) until it detects water being added and switches to brew mode or something.
Looks really interesting. The design is much nicer than a Decent in my opinion (and matches well with the Weber Key grinder). It's also a lot quieter. It would be great if they could offer a lever add-on to attach to the top of the machine, so that one could pull a shot interacting with the machine as if it was a traditional lever, though with a lot less effort since the lever isn't directly linked to the piston and just translates lever motion to pressure. It would be like upgrading from a car with non-power-assisted steering to power-assisted.
Very nice! Love the look and think that at this price point it fills the gap between regular machines and the decent. The integrated scale is also excellent btw. People won’t have to fork over 250-300usd for a great scale. Great innovation and good luck with the kickstarter! Best wishes
If this could do something like Scott Rao’s filter 2.0 profile, this could replace someone’s whole setup for a very reasonable price. Wonder if you could do sprover by just continuously pouring water into the funnel.
I don't think you can continuously add water since it seems to have a step where it sucks the water down into the brew chamber and pressurizes that. But 150ml or 200ml or whatever they're increasing it to, is likely more than anyone would need for an espresso machine. I'm not a fan of the Spro-Over type things, more of a ristretto type guy.
I was wondering the same! Spro-overs are my absolute favourite way to make coffee. I personally find a simple 4ml flow with an 18:200 more forgiving than the Rao Filter recipe
What components require cleaning and replacement, how often, and how easy to manage? I love the integrated scale! Needs to be a trend in machines. I love that it’s quiet! The simplicity of it means less to go wrong. I see no reason it can’t include a water tank to eliminate the water pouring, but not a big deal. It will depend on the price point and footprint if a reservoir is added. Thanks for the preview! PS They need to embed this video on their site.
@@meticulous_home I enjoy the pouring part, so used to the whole pouring, heating, pouring etc of my flair so think I would miss that part, I dont want a reservoir personally 😂 embedded scale is INCREDIBLE, interested in calibration and servicing of that but def getting this as soon as you launch 🔥🔥🔥 been burnt by kickstarter but keen to back you guys 👌 also, a steam wand would be cool but I like my separate devices so not a big thing but I feel that could be a separate companion product or V2 with a wand
I’m really excited about this machine. Ended up watching the video twice in the past week. Currently I use a La Pavoni, which isn’t ideal when making coffee for several people. I love the silence of a lever and definitely don’t mind pouring water into the reservoir. This machine has everything I would want. I might just keep the La Pavoni just for frothing milk when guests want that.
I'm a product designer too and I watched the same cofffee videos from James Hoffman and I had been working on THE SAME idea of using a linear actuator to push water via a piston over a bed of coffee. My belief was the same that if a Flair can make good espresso for $200, it should not cost $1000 more to motorize that and get a good espresso machine. I worked on the design, was looking at the CAD parts that other on a similar DIY espresso machine had made and was in process of everything. And I wanted to to replicate the Decent with its temperature and pressure profiling for a fraction of the price. The company name I was thinking of using was also synonyms of the word meticulous and artisan but maybe in Estonian language (where I currently live), so watching this video was almost frightening, seeing how much someone else had already been doing the same, so scary similar in every single aspect. I'm a bit sad you beat me to the punch, but I'm happy you made this for the world, and proved my own ideas correct as well. Perhaps I'll still continue to work on my project and add some additional features that I had in mind that your machine doesn't have. I was also planning on having the software maybe open source to let smarter people than me develop the features and experiement on better profiles for espresso. Really amazing to see this. I love this so much.
the completely silent piston mechanic is very intriguing. like a lever machine without all the annoying parts. I wonder if you could do multiple (or at least a few) shots back to back since the water "funnel" fits 150ml?
Thank you, @BrianQuan. I recently became aware of the Meticulous, and I plan on getting in on the Indigogo in the next week or so. Are you a backer for it as well?
This is really impressive, and nothing else like it on the market. One question I have is can you do intra-shot temperature profiling? Like mimic a lever declining temperature profile?
Good question, it doesn't seem like it does currently but I wonder if it could. Seems good even if it just has a single stable temperature. I heard from someone with a Decent machine who's experimented with rising or falling temperature profiles that a straight temperature worked best. But that's just one persons experience so who knows. Would be fun to play around with that and experiment.
this is really cool and I wish the best for them but it's also such a niche solution. with all their tech it would be lovely if they expanded their tech to a traditional espresso setup w steaming support so their innovation doesn't "go to waste".
Recommend adding an inductively heated and magnetically stirred milk frother on the right side of the base where currently there is nothing. This could also take advantage of the built in scale for dosing out your milk.
This is awesome. To be Frank I wish you would have let him drive more. The whole vibe got a lil awkward when you jumped in and took over the conversation.
Looks so intriguing, a temperature stable automated flair58 with added decent tech, dream machine right there, will definitely consider backing it if it comes in 220-240v and you can back it outside the Americas.
Thanks for sharing this exciting product. I'm just curious how the workflow would be when brewing multiple shots in quick succession. Wishing him the very best!
Looks amazing - great work! In addition to the milk challenge, I wonder if there have been any thoughts on building in a small gravimetric grinder for future?
I only drink espresso so I love it!! Looks like my dream machine! But if the kickstarter starts in March, when will the first batch ship? Will it be for us in Europe as well?
You will be able to do pretty much everything from the machine. But creating custom curves and node structures is easier in a tablet or computer. It depends on how deep you want to dive!
I really like this machine. I would love it to have all (most) controls from the machine, but perhaps the performance "bars", updates, or get profiles from the internet.
We learned everything we know about coffee from UA-cam and now the same people want to try our machine and are excited about it. It’s been a wonderful experience, and people are super nice!
Do you have to release the excess water if you're planning on doing multiple shots? Can you just wait for pressure to die down and then top it off the water for the next shot? Or it needs to push through all the water to release the pressure.
It's really cool. Like really really cool! Looks beautiful and has really cool functionality. Im very glad seeing "decent alternatives" slowly becoming a thing. Personally i cannot really get past the pouring with a kettle thing, just mentally doesn't work for me. I know the design would be significantly more complicated with a boiler but it just doesn't jive with me.
Is there a step missing? Weighing beans (nice!), xxx, then adding water, and the espresso. Do you need to use an external grinder, or do the whole beans go into the machine?
that machine is remarkable and beautiful at the same time... looking forward to seeing more about it and it could very well be my next espresso machine to eventually replace my Slayer. What about steamed milk?
This is awesome! I have an Argos on order but otherwise I might have saved up to get this machine. I think you'll find a lot of success with it, Carlo!
Please make it with a bit larger reservoir like 250 ml I didn’t get the flair because I’m in love with sprovers I think a lot others had the same reason It would also be awesome if i can control pressure and flow in real time using the wheel under the screen
If possible, there should only be mechanical parts above the reservoir so any condensation will not cause long term issue. Start button can be moved to anywhere on the machine
This is super cool! To be honest I have posted about a motorized lever machine from some crazy Russian guy about two-three years ago, but it didn't have profiling ability or temperature control, from what I remember. I wonder whether is it possible to copy a commercial level profile (declining pressure AND temperature)? Regardless, best of luck to Carlos and the team and I hope it will be a final killer product!
Seems like a great machine and beautiful. Really like the display. Could get used to adding water. Love the sensors and software. For me inability to steam milk is showstopper.
Hope this was interesting! It's always awesome to see innovative machines coming out of countries you generally wouldn't expect. Please feel free to leave any questions and feedback for the Meticulous team here. ☕
The most innovation usually comes from small companies
Probably the most interesting product in coffee for a while. Also, the founder seems very approachable and down to earth, which bodes well for the future. Especially when comparing to others, namely John and Weber. Finally, as a software engineer, the fact that the software is already so polished intrigues me even more.
Yet the most pressing question is did he bring you some mole from Puebla? They have great mole.
Thank you, Brain, I always wanted to know who made these beautiful coffee machines.
Is it reasonable to ask what your opinion is on the value proposition here? How do you think it compares to other products in its proposed price range? Is this as good a deal as it seems? Would you buy one???
You can definitely tell he was a product designer because the aesthetics of the machine are so clean. Super attractive machine
Yeah, it's interesting what can happen when people outside the coffee world come in and make a product.
I.e Niche Zero, Decent Espresso, and this!
Thank you 😊
@@meticulous_home wish the two controls (button + dial) had a pop of color like yellow to match the yellow dial
This is so rad, it’s like an F58 and a decent had a love child.
This opens the possibilities of easily using custom water like a F58, but then have the repeatability of profiles like a decent.
Wow ok I’m impressed. I hope they make white version
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Perfect solution to those who want Decent-level control over variables AND want to experiment with coffee water without worrying about destroying the machine. 150 mils is enough to pull a crazy long allonge too. I wonder if they are thinking up a solution for those who want a steam wand that would blend aesthetically with this. I'm hyped!
Yeah, +1 to steam wand, no need for a hot water tap
3 years in the hole and he lands here - incredible! Bravo and wishing you all the best 🎉
I am really excited about this machine!
Since Kickstarter is only in March you have time to look at the condensation, the patent worries, the declining tem profile, etc.
I would love a plumb-in option so only a 1/4" line with an electronically controlled valve to fill the reservoir in an integrated way. This would remove the pour-over step and leave only the frothing on the side.
I love the fact that it’s a stealth espresso machine.. no sound and beautiful espresso! Nice new approach :)
Stealth AND tiny espresso machine. The levers are stealth or close to it, but usually bigger (like La Pavoni) or considerably bigger (like Profitec Pro 800).
now we need stealth grinders
Looks amazing. UI is gorgeous. Decent should copy your homework. I hope you guys have a milk steamer in your design pipeline, whether as a companion device or a v2 model.
Yeah, +1 to steam wand, no need for a hot water tap
Love the aesthetics, simple yet super functional.
This is BRILLIANT. I am so blown away right now. Streitman and a decent had a baby and it’s beautiful. I will be first on the list!
Wow! Amazing. And because there are no boilers or water pumps and no tubing, scaling should be a total non-issue. It looks like this has Decent-like minute control of a shot, with the very easy maintenance and dependability of a lever machine.
Exactly! Experimenting with water receipts without scaling issues make us very happy
Man am I hyped about this! Thank you Brian for showing it off, will definitely get 1 when it launches
Really impressive. What a brilliant designer. Not only uplifting espresso but his country 🇲🇽!
Carlos sounds like a serial entrepreneur and a great engineer. I immediately think of the bosetamper, an engineer bringing a product to life. Wish it had a water tank but that certainly complicates things. Would say to make a little more profit, want the company to be around and support early models, this will take money. Carlos, good luck, hope its supported well.
Thank you for this video - what a great machine! This is thinking outside the box! I hope to hear a lot more about this machine! Great idea - now make it count!
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Carlos and his wife are definitely living the dream
Love the design and I'm sure it will do well. For people that just want an espresso shot its a great design but for those of us that like our micro foam $1500 is rough when you need to buy additional equipment to steam milk with.
It’s a problem we want to solve for sure 😅
@@meticulous_home honestly I'm still thinking I'm gonna buy into the kickstarter. That built in scale with stop by weight? Dayum
This is genius. I want one!!! PS. matte white color option would be nice
This is brilliant. Look forward to seeing this machine available to purchase.
Definitely stoked for this machine if it can really do all that for $1500!! Seems like it will really change the game for home espresso!
We will reveal more soon!
Thanks for the video and helping show off this machine. Some impressive stuff going on and some wonderful design. I did wonder about the brew button located above the water reservoir area and that condensation. Look forward to seeing this machine progress.
17:44 Funny, I was just thinking about brew temperatures, my old Rocket E61 HX machine had the boiler PID set to 120c by default and said that would give you about 200f (93c) brew temperature at the group. My Current ECM dual Boiler E61 machine I believe the PID setting is supposed to give you the actual brew temperature or that's what it's designed to estimate anyway (PID is still setting the boiler temperature but has an offset based on their testing on how much temperature loss you get while the water travels from the boiler to the brew group, it might be 10c loss or whatever, and they factor that calculation in) that's my understand of it anyway.
I tested with an E61 group thermometer and found the Setting of 200f on the PID would give me about 196f max brew temperature, 198f more like 193-194, which You'd think is too cool, but the thing is, even with light roasts the coffee still turns out good.
I know Decent brand machines their default temperature is lower, like 91c I believe which is about 196f,
So I'm wondering what is the actual brew temperature most people are brewing at?
The 85c /185f brew temperature here seems pretty low, why would you say it didn't need that hot of a temperature with this type of brewer?
Buen trabajo Carlos! Con gusto apoyare la campaña!
Brian Great work too! Your channel is great! Not bias as others have became! Thanks for your videos!
This is fantastic and when it’s available I’m getting one!
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very cool concept. Can't wait to see the finished product.
We need more people like this in specialty coffee industry. Innovation is one of the things that this industry lacks the most. There are too many lazy, conservative brands/people who are stuck in the past. Looks at brands like Baratza, Comandante, Mahlkönig, etc.
Thanks :)
Love this concept. I’m all-in on the design - a dream come true. Quiet like a lever machine but easy like an automatic! I love that you don’t NEED the app to use it. My only suggestion: I feel that low-tech is elegant, so I’d like the option to turn off Wifi communication and bluetooth and just use buttons once preferences are set. Thank you for this review, Brian and I’m on the list at Meticulous Home! Great design!
Yea you will be able to do that! We want to make it as easy as possible to get great results :)
This is a game changer for espresso lover
Que bueno ver a latinos en el mundo del café. ¡Te deseo mucho exito Carlos!
Why are you emphasizing race. It's all about a man working hard and making the coffee world a better place.
If this thing delivers, it's a Catch and my Dream machine. I have a flair pro 2 since 3 years and I haven't pulled more enjoyable shots even on much more expensive or sophisticated machines.
Sometimes it's just a Hassel to heat up everything, and the cleanup involved. Basically a flair with automatic kettle and automatic water refill would be my dream machine.
Notes to the DeV: include a flow profiler for your machine that I can put into my flair.
I then create my favorite profile the way I pull it on a real manual lever and then plug it into your machine which does the same but automatic. I'd spent more than 1k on that ^^
Hi, I also like the machine, especially the software looks really good. I just wanted to mention that the Meticulous team should check various patents which they probably infringe before they sell the product. Duvall has patented many motorized pistons for heated beverages. Also La Marzocco holds various patents for integrated scales (that's the main reason you only see bluetooth scales for commercial machines). I do not know whether or not they are interested in such small companies and personally I don't think the companies would win any lawsuit with those patents due to the low level of innovation, but for now those patents are there and I wanted to mention that.
Thanks for the advise, we don’t think we infringe any patent. We can’t share every detail but stay tuned!
I love how much childlike Christmas excitement Brian has while looking at it!
Yes, Brian was super cool 😄
Man, nerding out over legal l, addictive substances is the best kind if nerding out.
Love that you've got a bag of Hatch in the background. My favourite roaster in Canada!
Interesting. Heating, no noise, no muscle. Plenty techno whistles and bells
Nicely done!
I'm ngl, ever since I got a lever machine, I've always wondered why machines aren't built this way (motorized piston). Hope to see how this evolves in the future!
I think that one of the reasons is that with a piston you can't steam the milk.
I still use a Cafelat Robot because I love the customisable piston pressure and feel that I get. This seems like the next upgrade. A few big concerns for me though is the condensation above the water boiler - it needs a spout big time, maybe a turnable one that opens in one position when pouring then turn to close. It will also prevent dirt, dust, critters, etc. getting in there when not in use. Also, Temperature stability is not imo a selling point in all respects. I want my temp at the puck to drop throughout the shot, that's the 'lever profile'. I can see this being relatively easy to do. Lastly, the height of the portafilter above the cup is a bit much.
Three smaller things - we saw flow rate profiling, but does it do pressure profiling too? That's far more important to me.
What is clean-up like? Once you take the portafilter off, how much water comes out? How easy is it to clean the water boiler and the piston?
Serviceability - how easy is it to replace the scales if/when they break, replace seals, upgrade software, and all that stuff that allows this to be used or 10+ years. That's a lot of money for a coffee machine and must be addressed if you want me to buy this. Look at Decent, when I buy that machine, I'm guaranteed that it can be serviced, fixed and upgraded thoughout it's entire life.
great questions.
since the portafilter is the only exit, I believe pressure can be mathematically deduced from flow
I'm pretty sure a lot of your questions are addressed in this video. You might have missed it but they do discuss the condensation issue briefly (planning on adding a fan I think). They also talk about servicing and cleaning as well. They even mention that it can do both pressure profiling and flow profiling.
Looks incredible. For me, great design and simplicity go hand in hand. Designing products that work well and are easy to repair/service is what I like to see. My current espresso machine works great but does not have any way to customize preinfusion or pressure and this machine seems like it does everything I would ever want, while also saving space, energy, and with far fewer parts!
Orgulloso del rey panqueque
Cool, I only need 5 coffee devices on your countertop now. A Meticulous espresso machine, maybe the meticulous milk frother, a grinder, a fellow kettle, and a xBloom.👍
Have meticulous thought about adding a mini fan to blow away the steam buildup like the xBloom? But that might ruin the look... and i guess it's ok if the plunger is water sealed 🤔.
Looks very nice and promising! Nice if we're finally getting a good profiling / smart espresso machine for a decent price. One down side of going with a thinner brew chamber might be that it will end up getting hotter on the outside, being less insulated maybe. That's one down side of the typical lever machines like La Pavoni Europiccola.
The display on the machine looks beautiful but maybe could be larger or maybe switch between modes if that's possible, like just show the weight scales numbers (so that it's larger) until it detects water being added and switches to brew mode or something.
Looks really interesting. The design is much nicer than a Decent in my opinion (and matches well with the Weber Key grinder). It's also a lot quieter.
It would be great if they could offer a lever add-on to attach to the top of the machine, so that one could pull a shot interacting with the machine as if it was a traditional lever, though with a lot less effort since the lever isn't directly linked to the piston and just translates lever motion to pressure. It would be like upgrading from a car with non-power-assisted steering to power-assisted.
Very nice! Love the look and think that at this price point it fills the gap between regular machines and the decent. The integrated scale is also excellent btw. People won’t have to fork over 250-300usd for a great scale. Great innovation and good luck with the kickstarter! Best wishes
Thank you 🙏
If this could do something like Scott Rao’s filter 2.0 profile, this could replace someone’s whole setup for a very reasonable price. Wonder if you could do sprover by just continuously pouring water into the funnel.
I don't think you can continuously add water since it seems to have a step where it sucks the water down into the brew chamber and pressurizes that. But 150ml or 200ml or whatever they're increasing it to, is likely more than anyone would need for an espresso machine. I'm not a fan of the Spro-Over type things, more of a ristretto type guy.
I was wondering the same! Spro-overs are my absolute favourite way to make coffee.
I personally find a simple 4ml flow with an 18:200 more forgiving than the Rao Filter recipe
What components require cleaning and replacement, how often, and how easy to manage?
I love the integrated scale! Needs to be a trend in machines. I love that it’s quiet! The simplicity of it means less to go wrong.
I see no reason it can’t include a water tank to eliminate the water pouring, but not a big deal. It will depend on the price point and footprint if a reservoir is added. Thanks for the preview!
PS They need to embed this video on their site.
Thanks for your suggestions, you can think of an electric kettle like a reservoir 😂 but yeah good ideas for future improvements !
@@meticulous_home I enjoy the pouring part, so used to the whole pouring, heating, pouring etc of my flair so think I would miss that part, I dont want a reservoir personally 😂 embedded scale is INCREDIBLE, interested in calibration and servicing of that but def getting this as soon as you launch 🔥🔥🔥 been burnt by kickstarter but keen to back you guys 👌 also, a steam wand would be cool but I like my separate devices so not a big thing but I feel that could be a separate companion product or V2 with a wand
Man if decent have an app that looks that clean it would be amazing… love the live view of the shot and how easy to read 19:04
I’m really excited about this machine. Ended up watching the video twice in the past week. Currently I use a La Pavoni, which isn’t ideal when making coffee for several people. I love the silence of a lever and definitely don’t mind pouring water into the reservoir. This machine has everything I would want. I might just keep the La Pavoni just for frothing milk when guests want that.
Version with a steam wand would be cool. That's a must have for me.
I'm a product designer too and I watched the same cofffee videos from James Hoffman and I had been working on THE SAME idea of using a linear actuator to push water via a piston over a bed of coffee. My belief was the same that if a Flair can make good espresso for $200, it should not cost $1000 more to motorize that and get a good espresso machine. I worked on the design, was looking at the CAD parts that other on a similar DIY espresso machine had made and was in process of everything. And I wanted to to replicate the Decent with its temperature and pressure profiling for a fraction of the price. The company name I was thinking of using was also synonyms of the word meticulous and artisan but maybe in Estonian language (where I currently live), so watching this video was almost frightening, seeing how much someone else had already been doing the same, so scary similar in every single aspect. I'm a bit sad you beat me to the punch, but I'm happy you made this for the world, and proved my own ideas correct as well.
Perhaps I'll still continue to work on my project and add some additional features that I had in mind that your machine doesn't have. I was also planning on having the software maybe open source to let smarter people than me develop the features and experiement on better profiles for espresso. Really amazing to see this. I love this so much.
There's always room for competing products. All contributions to the coffee world are appreciated.
the completely silent piston mechanic is very intriguing. like a lever machine without all the annoying parts. I wonder if you could do multiple (or at least a few) shots back to back since the water "funnel" fits 150ml?
Awesome video! Super excited to see the Meticulous out in the wild
Can't wait till he sends one to James Hoffman!
Thank you, @BrianQuan. I recently became aware of the Meticulous, and I plan on getting in on the Indigogo in the next week or so. Are you a backer for it as well?
This is really impressive, and nothing else like it on the market. One question I have is can you do intra-shot temperature profiling? Like mimic a lever declining temperature profile?
Good question, it doesn't seem like it does currently but I wonder if it could. Seems good even if it just has a single stable temperature. I heard from someone with a Decent machine who's experimented with rising or falling temperature profiles that a straight temperature worked best. But that's just one persons experience so who knows. Would be fun to play around with that and experiment.
Grande Rey Panqueque
this is really cool and I wish the best for them but it's also such a niche solution. with all their tech it would be lovely if they expanded their tech to a traditional espresso setup w steaming support so their innovation doesn't "go to waste".
Recommend adding an inductively heated and magnetically stirred milk frother on the right side of the base where currently there is nothing. This could also take advantage of the built in scale for dosing out your milk.
We are thinking about milk a lot, it’s a hard problem to solve!
This is awesome. To be Frank I wish you would have let him drive more. The whole vibe got a lil awkward when you jumped in and took over the conversation.
Looks so intriguing, a temperature stable automated flair58 with added decent tech, dream machine right there, will definitely consider backing it if it comes in 220-240v and you can back it outside the Americas.
Yes, we will offer 240v and international plugs!
I would love to give it a test drive! I am a Flair Signature Pro 2 user and really like the options for pulling multiple shots faster for my friends!!
Any thoughts about meticulus milk steamer whould be much appreciated!
Fucking awesome. When I’m ready to upgrade my 58, this will be IT
Thanks!!
I love how the machine look and all the features, it would be nice to integrated hot steam for creamy milk?
Thank you
This has to be the most exciting espresso machine since the decent especially if they can get it under 1k
This is so cool! Really gives the Decent a run for its money if you are only into Espresso.
Thanks for sharing this exciting product. I'm just curious how the workflow would be when brewing multiple shots in quick succession. Wishing him the very best!
Looks amazing - great work! In addition to the milk challenge, I wonder if there have been any thoughts on building in a small gravimetric grinder for future?
I only drink espresso so I love it!! Looks like my dream machine! But if the kickstarter starts in March, when will the first batch ship? Will it be for us in Europe as well?
Wow - this looks fantastic! If I hadn‘t just got a dual boiler, this would have made the top of my short list.
This is honestly the most I have ever been about an espresso machine, trly I would love to own one of these one day!
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@@meticulous_home Very excited to see where y'all go, I suspect this will be a game changer in the industry!
Would be cool if you could turn the heating element off when the shot starts to have a natural temp decline through the pull.
I love this unit. I would prefer most of the controls to be on the machine though, with option to also access Internet for updates or to get profiles.
You will be able to do pretty much everything from the machine. But creating custom curves and node structures is easier in a tablet or computer. It depends on how deep you want to dive!
Gosh! I am super excited. And I will probably end up buying this product.
My only thing is, how am I going to steam milk?
I really like this machine. I would love it to have all (most) controls from the machine, but perhaps the performance "bars", updates, or get profiles from the internet.
That’s the idea. You would use a tablet just for the most complex stuff.
Very cool video. Super cool that coffee UA-cam is connecting to people from everywhere. Such a cool design for an espresso machine.
We learned everything we know about coffee from UA-cam and now the same people want to try our machine and are excited about it. It’s been a wonderful experience, and people are super nice!
Wow, Great idea. Looking forward for the campaign. Hopefully it will be available wordwide (in poland😊)
I noticed a good amount of condensation around the top black part near the brew button. Is that a concern for long term durability?
Brian , can you let him talk !!!
😂 this is my first interview ever! Brian was super nice and helped me a lot, I even forgot to mention it had a water heater hehe
Love to see this 🤌
Do you have to release the excess water if you're planning on doing multiple shots? Can you just wait for pressure to die down and then top it off the water for the next shot? Or it needs to push through all the water to release the pressure.
Todo un grande el Rey Panqueque 🙏
Wonder about de scaling if you're not using super filtered water
It's really cool. Like really really cool! Looks beautiful and has really cool functionality.
Im very glad seeing "decent alternatives" slowly becoming a thing.
Personally i cannot really get past the pouring with a kettle thing, just mentally doesn't work for me. I know the design would be significantly more complicated with a boiler but it just doesn't jive with me.
Fresh water for every shot 👌
This guy seems nice. Can he also build a wooden chess boards?
oh!!!!!!!! I'm in. 😁👍👍👍
This thing would be close to perfection with a steam boiler.
Is there a step missing? Weighing beans (nice!), xxx, then adding water, and the espresso. Do you need to use an external grinder, or do the whole beans go into the machine?
This makes my decent look like a joke. I'm so excited about this!
You think there is a possibility of them adding a full manual mode with the knob? So we could basically use it like a flair 58.
that machine is remarkable and beautiful at the same time... looking forward to seeing more about it and it could very well be my next espresso machine to eventually replace my Slayer. What about steamed milk?
Thank you! We are thinking about milk a lot!
This is awesome! I have an Argos on order but otherwise I might have saved up to get this machine. I think you'll find a lot of success with it, Carlo!
Please make it with a bit larger reservoir like 250 ml
I didn’t get the flair because I’m in love with sprovers
I think a lot others had the same reason
It would also be awesome if i can control pressure and flow in real time using the wheel under the screen
We will increase volume as much as possible! Using the dial for manual flow sounds fun, we will do that :)
@@meticulous_home wow that’s awesome that would be a no brainer 🤯🤩
If possible, there should only be mechanical parts above the reservoir so any condensation will not cause long term issue. Start button can be moved to anywhere on the machine
This is super cool! To be honest I have posted about a motorized lever machine from some crazy Russian guy about two-three years ago, but it didn't have profiling ability or temperature control, from what I remember. I wonder whether is it possible to copy a commercial level profile (declining pressure AND temperature)? Regardless, best of luck to Carlos and the team and I hope it will be a final killer product!
Thank you :)!
Seems like a great machine and beautiful. Really like the display. Could get used to adding water. Love the sensors and software. For me inability to steam milk is showstopper.
My new favorite machine
Can't wait to see what they're gonna do with this thing.
Stay tuned, some surprises are yet to be revealed!
Really need a white version and you have a customer right here