I bought 8 x 415w solar panels in 2022 , they cost me just over £200 each . I can get the exact same panels today for £76 each including free delivery 😮 .
The downside is it uses lead as a primary substance. Really not as perfect as some claim. Plus there is the slightly more hopeful technology of photo rectenna which in theory could produce a 70-80% efficient solar cell.
Thanks for the great insight. I bought a single 100w panel in 1997 for $300 including a 100ah alkaline battery. It's amazing the leaps and bounds technology has grown over the years!
This is arguably THE MOST important breakthrough in sustainable energy production. Nothing I have seen in media and science comes close. This also revolutionises energy for all, especially the Global South, allowing them to leap to their own inexpensive energy production.
absolutely they are not, they lack longevity, their degridation is over 10 x worst than standard pannels. Basically you would be replacing them every 3 to 4 yrs. So its like a sprinter competing against a marathon runner, seeing as PV generation is a long term commitment, the sprinter always looses
@@ewadge This whole thing about pannel efficency is a totally moot point anyways, who cares if you get a 5% increas, on a 400 W pannel, its just 20 watts, its insignificant. Mono crystaline silicone is so cheap these days, if you want more power, buy an extra pannel. The trouble is these days most folks are not mathamatically or scientifically literate enough to even remain sceptical regarding claims, let alone decifering what is important and what isnt. This as it stands is a imature, possibly flawed technology, that has no place in the wider market place. It all feels like a bullshit publicity campaign to generate social pressure, (bit like american pharmacutical adverts) to get this into the market. Who knows what deal the makers of these pannels have struck with this and many other channels.
i'd love to see it in small scale... where the space is limited and now you can place 1-2 panels (boat/RV etc) and you potentially could get 2x the output... waiting for it ! :)
As I always say and no pun intended- more power to these guys bringing the next leap forward. Anything above 30% I remember being told a few years back is the dream…..
I really enjoy your natural presentational skills combined with your obvious intelligence and ability to frame questions in just the right way to illicit the best answers. You are, if I may say, a bloody genius. And it’s true that the camera really loves you too ! Keep it coming. I’ll keep watching. Much respect and many thanks.
Perovskite PV cells in development today contain lead which I'm glad was mentioned in the video. However they didn't mention that the lead leaches out of the panels which is really not great. A lot of work is being put into encapsulating the panels to stop the lead getting out, but even if successful it's going to be a problem at end-of-life processing. They also tend to degrade quickly, which is also not great; they have great efficiency when new but that tanks within a few years (as in, service life less than 5 years). No mention if this group has managed to address that. We'll have to wait and see how the economics work, since they didn't discuss costs. Sure, if the levelized cost is lower that's a win, but I'm not going to be celebrating anything until the data is available.
I think that if a random UA-cam commenter knows about it, they know about it. There are strict laws which they would have to follow before they would be allowed to sell them.
@@evilutionltd What laws would those be? I think that if a random UA-cam commenter confidently asserts that a law exists, they should be able to cite it and demonstrate it applies to this product. There may or may not be laws involved, but it's a fact that lead-containing peroskite PV cells have a problem with lead leaching out of them. It's not addressed in the video how, or if, they addressed that problem.
@@Smidge204 Existing Substances Regulation (ESR), EC Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93, Directive 2008/98/EC and PIC Procedure. Look up EU REACH laws. Why would a company go into that much detail in a UA-cam video and publicise intellectual property?
@@evilutionltd It was a trick question, since existing PV panels contain lead and "Fixed-location photovoltaic panel installations" are already blanket exempt from RoHS restrictions. This is how I knew you were talking nonsense; it is not (currently? maybe in the future) necessary to comply with RoHS limits for PV panels used in non-mobile applications, therefore they are already compliant with the law *despite* the known problem of lead leaching out of them. The idea that they must have solved the problem because it would be illegal to sell them otherwise means you don't understand the law (and are hopelessly naive to think no company would ever risk doing anything illegal) As for intellectual property, I never asked for detail; They acknowledge that the product contains lead. If they solved the leaching problem, all they'd have to do is acknowledge that too. Anyone interested in this product will be able to read the Wikipedia page (or god forbid any of the many scientific and industry papers on it) and immediately notice that there is a lead contamination risk, and anyone considering investing in the company or buying their products should then ask how, or if, they manage that risk. A VERY reasonable question.
1:50 it is not PPE, It is a cleanroom suit, designed to protect the wafers and semiconductors from human contaminants and to keep the integrity of the cleanroom itself. You can call it a CPE if you wish.❤👍
What is different here is that Oxford managed to scale up production. Great! But one question you forgot or decided not to ask this boss is the expected lifetime of these perovskite cells as this has been a problem for a long time.
I work for the world's largest silicon solar module manufacturer and am excited to see multi-junction cells come to market, soon. I can honestly say, without getting in trouble, that virtually all large module manufacturers are in late development of multijunction cells. Curious what the lifespan of perovskite is now, as that has been the limiting factor.
its still terrible, they are just not talking about it, they are just 1/12 th the lifespan of mono crystaline pannels, so despite been more efficient, perovskite become less efficient than mono crystaline after just 12 months, then they degreade rapdly with a lifespan of around 2.5 rs, compared to 25 to 30 yrs for mono crystaline. but this isnt mentioned anywhere in the video,
Yes, as others have said, we’ll guess she wasn’t allowed to include longevity as a direct question and receive a direct answer. Surely that’s the key breakthrough. Let’s hope they have solved it, and that’s why they are at this stage of getting it trialled out in the field. Someone is putting money behind this enterprise clearly. Fingers crossed
Selling first to grid scale solar PV farms is a win-win, as it increases grid level generation and the original silicon PV sells become available on the second hand market for residential and commercial rooftop solar at a lower price than new panels, driving down the cost of new panels.
I'm looking at this and wondering why the German government has modified the Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG) - valid from the third quarter of 2024 - in such a way that it becomes as uneconomical as possible for newly constructed solar systems by private individuals for private use in their own homes. Were the "big customers" - also known as energy companies - very helpful in writing the new law?!
Probably lobbying from the energy providers and the fact that we have too much renewable energy in the grid already on some days, especially if solar kicks hard around noon and many PV arrays still facing south to creat the maximum amount of energy during the day to get the most money out of it, at some 20 years ago people we getting 0.40-0.55€/kWh produced and exported to the grid and they get these rates for 20 years, now imagine a 10 kWp array in the early 2000s that would be a little under 100.000€ for you in these 20 years, basically offsetting the cost of the whole system and after that you probably have another 10-20 years of lifetime in the cells left.
and you still dont because they didnt mention how quickly these pannels degrade, they last just 2.5 to 3 yrs. this is the problem with perovskite, all though they are marginally more efficient than mono crystaline when new, after just 1 yr they are less efficient than mono, and then degrade rapidly to the pint of failure after just 3 yrs. As things stand, at best they are an immature technology. at worst they are a dead end. also solar pannel efficency is a total moot point, its just single figure % gains. so a standard 400 w pannel at most becomes a 420 watt pannel, far better just add an extra pannel, and this is very achievable now as pannels have become so cheap
If Perovskite is a "film" that overlays a silicon cell, then would there be a market to produce a Perovskite film for a DIY application for existing panels already in use?
It wasn't covered in the video: did they solve the stability and durability problems with perovskites? Last I heard they degrade in direct sunlight, or with temperature and humidity changes you naturally experience when in use. It's all well and good if they have higher efficiency to cost ratio out of the box, but the thing that matters is the average cost per kWh over their warrantied life span. If their increased efficiency drops off within the days, weeks, and months that perovskites historically have then I expect the cost might not work out cheaper over it's life per kWh delivered. So, what is that, and how does it compare to silicon?
I don't think they will answer. I wish there was a service out there that could search all interconnected documents like an engine. That could be useful.
@@colinwiseman I was being polite. It looks better if they provide the answer and self correct. The long term stability issues persist. Feel free to link me to a source saying they last roughly as long as the more standard silicon if I'm wrong? It's a glaring omission from the Oxford PV guy, but I don't blame Everything Electric because this is specific scientific research and I know that's a specialist skill they likely couldn't justify the expense of within the team. The Oxford PV guy likely needs to drum up some funding for their research or potentially people lose their jobs, so it's all aboard the hype train. They likely thought that talking to Oxford PV was expert enough. The problem is that you can't trust the person who stands to benefit from it's success to give an unbiased overview of the technology. This is the problem with channels like "Undecided with Matt Ferrell" and "Two Bit da Vinci". They don't know enough science to be able to tell what is marketing hype and what is reality reliably. You might as well just read the company press release and blindly trust it. Sadly, occasionally, the fully charged group brushes close to this kind of whoopsie; hyping tech with an undisclosed Achilles heel. I suppose you can't cover such a breadth of topics without the odd thing slipping through the net. I think fully charged does far better than the other two channels I mentioned.
A C&EN article from back in 2018 mentioned OxfordPV had developed a stable forumulation and cell layering technique that improved stability in the 1,000s of hours mark. The article mentions that entry point for commercialisation is 10,000 hours mark, with high recyclability, as the OxfordPV panels are focused on commercial use then they may be targetting cases where increased generation over a five to ten year lifespan is beneficial. Particularly with high recyclable panels, this may not suit home generation where long durable panels (15+ years) are more cost effective.
If it turns out 35% efficient perovskite silicon cells are, say, 50% more expensive than current solar cells, and therefore struggle to be competitive at a commercial / grid level scale, there could still be many very exciting opportunities where energy density per m2 is important. I'm thinking solar PV on EVs and on the wings of battery powered planes, etc.
I think its worthwhile to transparently talk about the downsides of tandem. Scalability, cost and reliability comparison with standard silicon solar cells side by side should be discussed. I know more 100M of dollars have been invested into OxfordPV over a decade, and yet Commercial product is still no go... since spot price of PV is so low now below 10cents per W..., i think tandem should be used on specific application that silicon cant be used. I think they shoukd consider more specific application. Perovskite is cheap but rest of the layers that are used to make the device are insanely expensive...... like over 4000usd per gram.. I value breakthrough in science, but climate change is coming too fast.. time to cut some corners to focus on what works or not.
I’ve been following Perovskite solar for about 10 years. As far as I know the issue was always that Perovskite was prone to degradation. This video didn’t mention anything about this unfortunately. Have these issues been solved?
love the way you have covered the history and future in less than 15 mins, also explained a complex subject in an easy to digest format, excellent work everyone!
The buzz about Perokskite cells are going of for quite a while already. When are we getting commercially available Perovskite panels at a comparable price point and longivity as Si?
0:17 On that chart the "accelerated case" has solar PV deploying a bit shy of 700 GW/year in 2028, we are already there this year. The growth has been tremendous. COP meetings can do whatever they like, they won't solve anything, cheap solar PV on the other hand will.
I think multi junction solar panels are great, even better if you live on the equator unfortunately a lot of us don't, I'd suppose we'd have some benefits of being able to use the second junction of these panels around mid summer in the northern hemisphere converting the shorter light wavelengths into usable power as well, in the other three seasons we'd only be generating power from the longer wavelengths as the shortest wavelengths would with the angel of the sun and earth be filtered out by the atmosphere .
Each of the solar panels on my roof produces 400 watts. I'm wondering if the same sized panels made of perovskite + silicon could potentially produce 600 watts. If so, that would be an amazing leap.
It would. But if your current cells are 25% efficient, these particular new cells (25.9% efficient) might take them up to 415 watts. Good, but, as he said "incremental".
Such efficiency of solar panels would allow the production of electric cars with solar charging and even allow light low-speed electric cars to drive directly from the sun.
Can we point out the fact that there's more than enough renewable sources of energy right now for everyone's needs, but it's the commercial power consumption and other rescources that the business sector consumes without criticism or a batted eye lid. All those offices and car dealerships that don't actually generate any tangible wealth. Anyone remember what COVID lockdowns uncovered about the pointlessness of the rat race?
I think time for economical competitive is not here yet. Also this time we heard nothing about how long life they will have. Will they ever reach 40 years lifetime as silicon cell already have?
In commercial applications, where the higher efficiency makes a tandem panel more cost effective, long term durability is not necessarily the goal. Even silicon only panels will be swapped out before their maximum lifespan is reached as their efficiency will have dropped and replacements/newer technology panels would be more cost effective than keeping the older ones
I would've liked to see them talk about the long-term durability of the perovskite cells, last thing I read said they are now at 15 years until the cells are degraded, compare that to the 30+ years that most silicone cells last and you have a great discrepancy between these two, have they made any advancements in that department?
@jukeseyable even, worse, last thing I've read was 15 or at least working on that, I mean it would be good for the PV industry, they could sell you new panels every 10-20 years, if you actually want to have the maximum amount of power generated, but they need to bring these two Cells closer together in terms of lifetime imo.
not sure where you have read 15 years, as most scientific reports state lifetime in hours, the best figures I have seen that are in propper scientific papers and not press releases, are 3000 hrs for silicon doped perovskite, so less efficient, but more durable . that in the uk would give you around 3 yrs use, so a long way to go. the 15 yrs could be untill total failure, the 3 yr figure 3000 hr is time above 90% of initial capacity
@@LastWish90 the 15 yrs might be an asparational figure for the tech to make them comercially viable, but not actual test results of that the tech is capable of at this time
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Is anyone else bothered that Oxford PV have built their production facility in Germany? What is the point in investing in the r&d if the benefits are immediately exported?
In short no, OxfordPV own the most patents for this technology. They may intend to seek a licensing approach rather than manufacturing one (just like ARM does in processor chips). The German plant is relatively small scale in partnership with a German industrial partner with expertise in this space. The panels produced sound like they are destined for assessment at commercial generator partners round the world for assessing in their existing farms under varying real world conditions. If the trials and OxfordPV choose the licensing root this will likely generate more revenue for them, and UK tax take, than manufacturing alone. Plus will accelerate the adoption of tandem panels and so the output from renewables globally.
Now scale it to deploy N+10GW every year on the global market. And then drive down bifacial used panels to nothing so I can run 10kW+ or a couple hundred amps to an electric smelter for super cheap instead of propane. Thanks.
Oxford University - to the lay person they might think that is in the UK and therefore the manufacturing plant would be in the UK - anyone know why we have shipped the manufacturing to Germany?
Subsidies and a joint venture with Meyer-Burger using their equipment. Trying to start new things like this in the UK was simply harder. Plus fortunately it gets around Brexit.
@@beyondzeroemissions Makes me so glad we are going spend £22billion to dig holes to bury carbon. That makes a lot more sense. Sarcasm does not work very well on social media. I will be astonished if the Governments plan to spend £22billion achieves any benefits and is cost effective and works. The American Govt. tried this and no-one even with unlimited resources could make carbon capture and burial work.
@@timmurphy5541 Brexit? OK I guess most of the places I would try selling super efficient solar panels are in Europe. Pretty depressing. Personally I will never forgive David Cameron.
Am I the only one to think "sperm!" the instant we see Imogen at ~1:52? The exclamation matters, to me at least. She looks just like Woody Allen playing a sperm in 'Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask' (what a title!) Well worth a watch
The perovskites don't have 20 year nominal life like silicon . More like five years. The heavy metals used are a concern. I had cadmium telluride panels and my house burnt. Where did that toxic cadmium and Telluride go?
I have been following Perovskite development for five years now and glad to see its present development. I am getting ready to start purchasing them in my business development in large numbers. Let me know when I can buy stock.
dont Garry you will regret it, they degrade very rapidly, they have a lifetime of 2 to 3 yrs max. for a percentage increase in efficency that degrade much faster than mono crystaline pannels. within 1 yr they fall behind standard pannels, and after 3 they are useless. dont take my word for it research, and 2 dont do it unless you want to ruin your finances
Excelent episode! Happy to see Imogen back with a nice tan and looking forward to next videos. Information I got so far from other sources only referred to perovskite cells in developement, this is first real aplication which is much more relevant and exciting! Kudos also to the person behind cutting these videos, a job very well done!
"World record" for how long? How long before the perovskite cell's lifespan has ended or is so bad that it's worse than the old-school cells..? Does the vid address this? Dare I watch it?
When will we decarbonise the manufacture of renewable energy products. Never seen any videos showing any developments. If we need to do it, why not now. Its becoming clearer that we have reached the tipping point. We cannot afford to increase emissions to get to a decrease.
@TerryHickey-xt4mf They caused the problem in the first place & now we are continuing with more of the same. The rate of renewable adoption is causing CO2 emissions to rise because EVs, batteries & solar are more carbon intensive. Its all about greed & profites & nothing to do with climate change.
Most of the world's PV panels are made in China. They have deployed vast amounts of renewables. Even in the UK, a solar installation should have an energy payback of around 2 years, and less in lower latitudes. The next 30 years are essentially carbon free.
His arguments for perovskite are virtually exactly the arguments for tetraethyl lead. Lets not make that mistake again, yes, lead is cheap and readily available - its also neurotoxic, especially to kids.
These solar cells don't put lead into the breathable or drinkable environment. There are designs of panels that encapsulate the panel and absorb any leached lead. It's not like these are given to kids to lick.
Perovskites don't have to contain lead, it is the crystal structure that the term describes. Lead's just the original perovskite and presumably the easiest to make.
Efficiency is one aspect. How much energy it produces over it's lifetime vs energy spent on manufacturing and *recycling back to raw materials* You could have a low efficiency material but dirt cheap and recyclable then it is an absolute bargain. Plants are like that.
The efficiency levels of Perovskite are based on the amount of solar energy that penetrates the Earth's atmosphere. So naturally the use of Perovskite in solar panels on orbitting satellites would produce more power as the solar energy will not be diluted to the same degree. This could be the beginning of solar power plants in space.
The cheapest? Really? When compared to on-shore wind? Are you factoring in the loss of agricultural production Vs Dual Use of fields for food AND wind power? I love PV, but it makes me wince when I see fields of them harvesting light instead of wind + food.
I'm really not getting this obsession with Efficiency. The sun gives us 1.4 KW per square m for free. I'm thinking it's a bit of marketing hype like say the latest BMW with 700hp.
Commercial generation cost is a function of land area consumed and number of panels deployed per MW of electricity output. With higher effeciency output either less land for the same output or more output for the same land area is achieved. This makes reaching net zero targets easier to achieve, and could accelerate timescales.
In NZ we have solar farms that are integrated with the local farmers. The panels are mounted higher to allow grazing and farm machinery to operate as well. This means the landowner gets an added (reliable) income as well as his ongoing farm income.
totally agree, its sales bollocks that sales and marketing have falsely made importance out of. a 400 watt pannel becomes a 420 watt pannel with 5% increased efficency. and at 50% elevated cost. far better just but 1 extra mono crystaline pannel, and then keep the rest of th saved money
The answer is lead. That's what perovskites are. Lead crystals. Definitely not the answer we should be begging for considering how bad lead was for the last generation.
But - does it work effectively in this weather we have had for the last month - dull grey, overcast and/or this morning - freezing fog? Like the wind-farms, it has been effectively flat calm for the same period, so no wind energy, and no solar energy.
There are more than just one country on the planet, just because something is slightly less effective in one country for whatever reason doesn't mean it won't work in others, don't dismiss any technology just because you don't think it's suitable for your own needs, we're going to need many types of tech for may different situations.
~90% of the world’s population lives in places where solar makes sense. For instance I live in the mountains of Northern New Mexico. I am entirely off grid with 10 kw solar and 60 kWh of batteries. Your situation may not be suitable for solar. Bad for you.
@@GaryV-p3h With respect, you are entirely missing the point. This was a UK programme talking about the UK, and I'm in the UK, with UK weather, not Arizona or California, etc. - - In the right environment, Skis and skidoo's are practical modes of transport, too, but not here in the UK.
You missed the whole problem with perovskites which is its longevity. It breaks down very quickly. I'm astounded you didn't cover this. So just a fluff piece then ... I think it's important for you to understand the issues before attempting to explain them.
This is new technology which hasn’t yet been fully developed. There’s good research you might find interesting which shows a path to 30 year life span for perovskite panels. This compares very favorably with current silicon panels. One such study was done at Princeton. Future looks bright. 😎
All panels degrade (though most now are now supposed to lose only 10% over 25-30 years). They didn't mention it - but that's been why Perovskite UNTIL NOW has not been commercial - the fact Oxford PV have this in a commercial product obviously means they've gone some way to solve the very rapid breakdown of Perovskite - which was known to lose 50% power in 1000 hours of daylight. Maybe they've got it down to 5% in 5000 hours. Who knows? The reason they're with a commercial partner only is probably to measure/test if this is true in the field.
For commercial applications 'sufficient longevity' offers benefits now as opposed to waiting for maximum longevity in the future. Even if five years lifespan the panels will apy for themselves, particular if they are high recyclability designs. Commrcial panels will be swapped out much earlier then their maximum lifespan, unlike home panels, as the output drops below an acceptable threshold, panels fail/damage, or with significant technology shifts.
just wait and see, you may be disappointed, but everyone else will not be. All new tech has had a tough time getting in to the mainstream, just luckily not everybody pushing the limits has your ' glass half empty' attitude.
I bought 8 x 415w solar panels in 2022 , they cost me just over £200 each . I can get the exact same panels today for £76 each including free delivery 😮 .
I recently got 4x 575W bifacial pv panels for 82€ each, prices have dropped like stones.
Thanks to China.
Buy, buy, buy, … before the EU thinks it needs to tax all the profitability out of them.
Thanks Beijing. 😂 Thanks Subsidy Thanks China Overcapacity .😊
In China 550watt solar panel only $90
A ray of hope in these dark times.
The downside is it uses lead as a primary substance. Really not as perfect as some claim.
Plus there is the slightly more hopeful technology of photo rectenna which in theory could produce a 70-80% efficient solar cell.
Thanks for the great insight. I bought a single 100w panel in 1997 for $300 including a 100ah alkaline battery. It's amazing the leaps and bounds technology has grown over the years!
This is arguably THE MOST important breakthrough in sustainable energy production. Nothing I have seen in media and science comes close. This also revolutionises energy for all, especially the Global South, allowing them to leap to their own inexpensive energy production.
absolutely they are not, they lack longevity, their degridation is over 10 x worst than standard pannels. Basically you would be replacing them every 3 to 4 yrs. So its like a sprinter competing against a marathon runner, seeing as PV generation is a long term commitment, the sprinter always looses
It *may* revolutionise energy for all, but it's none done it yet - it's about a 2 percentage point (
@@jukeseyableexactly. Nowhere was the longevity issue mentioned in this video.
@@ewadge so maybe this video shouldnt be trusted as a valid source of information, and instead regarded as a sales PR bullshit publication
@@ewadge This whole thing about pannel efficency is a totally moot point anyways, who cares if you get a 5% increas, on a 400 W pannel, its just 20 watts, its insignificant. Mono crystaline silicone is so cheap these days, if you want more power, buy an extra pannel. The trouble is these days most folks are not mathamatically or scientifically literate enough to even remain sceptical regarding claims, let alone decifering what is important and what isnt. This as it stands is a imature, possibly flawed technology, that has no place in the wider market place. It all feels like a bullshit publicity campaign to generate social pressure, (bit like american pharmacutical adverts) to get this into the market. Who knows what deal the makers of these pannels have struck with this and many other channels.
i'd love to see it in small scale... where the space is limited and now you can place 1-2 panels (boat/RV etc) and you potentially could get 2x the output... waiting for it ! :)
So, good for your 1st world hobbies? Cool cool.
@@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 an increasing number of people live on boats and barges in the UK cos houses are ridiculously expensive
Great video...can't wait for the follow-up when this technology hits the consumer market!
As I always say and no pun intended- more power to these guys bringing the next leap forward. Anything above 30% I remember being told a few years back is the dream…..
good to see progress
Just got offered a PhD project in studying and discovering new perovskites - super excited to be working on this kind of research
I really enjoy your natural presentational skills combined with your obvious intelligence and ability to frame questions in just the right way to illicit the best answers. You are, if I may say, a bloody genius. And it’s true that the camera really loves you too ! Keep it coming. I’ll keep watching. Much respect and many thanks.
Thanks so much for taking the time - appreciate it.
Perovskite PV cells in development today contain lead which I'm glad was mentioned in the video. However they didn't mention that the lead leaches out of the panels which is really not great. A lot of work is being put into encapsulating the panels to stop the lead getting out, but even if successful it's going to be a problem at end-of-life processing. They also tend to degrade quickly, which is also not great; they have great efficiency when new but that tanks within a few years (as in, service life less than 5 years). No mention if this group has managed to address that.
We'll have to wait and see how the economics work, since they didn't discuss costs. Sure, if the levelized cost is lower that's a win, but I'm not going to be celebrating anything until the data is available.
I think that if a random UA-cam commenter knows about it, they know about it. There are strict laws which they would have to follow before they would be allowed to sell them.
@@evilutionltd What's 'random' about him?
@@evilutionltd What laws would those be? I think that if a random UA-cam commenter confidently asserts that a law exists, they should be able to cite it and demonstrate it applies to this product.
There may or may not be laws involved, but it's a fact that lead-containing peroskite PV cells have a problem with lead leaching out of them. It's not addressed in the video how, or if, they addressed that problem.
@@Smidge204 Existing Substances Regulation (ESR), EC Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93, Directive 2008/98/EC and PIC Procedure. Look up EU REACH laws.
Why would a company go into that much detail in a UA-cam video and publicise intellectual property?
@@evilutionltd It was a trick question, since existing PV panels contain lead and "Fixed-location photovoltaic panel installations" are already blanket exempt from RoHS restrictions. This is how I knew you were talking nonsense; it is not (currently? maybe in the future) necessary to comply with RoHS limits for PV panels used in non-mobile applications, therefore they are already compliant with the law *despite* the known problem of lead leaching out of them. The idea that they must have solved the problem because it would be illegal to sell them otherwise means you don't understand the law (and are hopelessly naive to think no company would ever risk doing anything illegal)
As for intellectual property, I never asked for detail; They acknowledge that the product contains lead. If they solved the leaching problem, all they'd have to do is acknowledge that too. Anyone interested in this product will be able to read the Wikipedia page (or god forbid any of the many scientific and industry papers on it) and immediately notice that there is a lead contamination risk, and anyone considering investing in the company or buying their products should then ask how, or if, they manage that risk. A VERY reasonable question.
Many thanks for this video! 🎉😊
Nice to see a none hype interview , as it means it is going to happen , rather than could happen . More please .
1:50 it is not PPE, It is a cleanroom suit, designed to protect the wafers and semiconductors from human contaminants and to keep the integrity of the cleanroom itself. You can call it a CPE if you wish.❤👍
Thank you young lady for your presentation. I love Solar the Highlander great Lakes USA.😊
43% Amazing
...and like Silicons 29%, it will never be achieved, an equivalent amount would be about 34%. And 34% is not so great when you consider 66% is lost.
Great Episode, thanks
This will be an amazing thing to see when they are available to fit on my roof.
What is different here is that Oxford managed to scale up production. Great! But one question you forgot or decided not to ask this boss is the expected lifetime of these perovskite cells as this has been a problem for a long time.
I work for the world's largest silicon solar module manufacturer and am excited to see multi-junction cells come to market, soon. I can honestly say, without getting in trouble, that virtually all large module manufacturers are in late development of multijunction cells. Curious what the lifespan of perovskite is now, as that has been the limiting factor.
I wonder how many different absorbers can be layered atop each other
its still terrible, they are just not talking about it, they are just 1/12 th the lifespan of mono crystaline pannels, so despite been more efficient, perovskite become less efficient than mono crystaline after just 12 months, then they degreade rapdly with a lifespan of around 2.5 rs, compared to 25 to 30 yrs for mono crystaline. but this isnt mentioned anywhere in the video,
Yes, as others have said, we’ll guess she wasn’t allowed to include longevity as a direct question and receive a direct answer.
Surely that’s the key breakthrough. Let’s hope they have solved it, and that’s why they are at this stage of getting it trialled out in the field.
Someone is putting money behind this enterprise clearly.
Fingers crossed
they havnt solved it
@@jukeseyablethen let's hope it is like half price or even lower so we can change it every 3 years
@@trexeyesonly55 as my late father used to say, live in hope, die in want
Selling first to grid scale solar PV farms is a win-win, as it increases grid level generation and the original silicon PV sells become available on the second hand market for residential and commercial rooftop solar at a lower price than new panels, driving down the cost of new panels.
This sounds great.
I'm looking at this and wondering why the German government has modified the Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG) - valid from the third quarter of 2024 - in such a way that it becomes as uneconomical as possible for newly constructed solar systems by private individuals for private use in their own homes. Were the "big customers" - also known as energy companies - very helpful in writing the new law?!
They removed export remunaration ? Or something else?
Probably lobbying from the energy providers and the fact that we have too much renewable energy in the grid already on some days, especially if solar kicks hard around noon and many PV arrays still facing south to creat the maximum amount of energy during the day to get the most money out of it, at some 20 years ago people we getting 0.40-0.55€/kWh produced and exported to the grid and they get these rates for 20 years, now imagine a 10 kWp array in the early 2000s that would be a little under 100.000€ for you in these 20 years, basically offsetting the cost of the whole system and after that you probably have another 10-20 years of lifetime in the cells left.
Excellent, as always, but I was hoping to hear more about durability. I thought durability is one of the weaknesses of perovskite solar cells.
That was a great explanation. I didn't understand the potential of perovskite until now. Mind blown 🤯
The potential to poison generations with lead?
and you still dont because they didnt mention how quickly these pannels degrade, they last just 2.5 to 3 yrs. this is the problem with perovskite, all though they are marginally more efficient than mono crystaline when new, after just 1 yr they are less efficient than mono, and then degrade rapidly to the pint of failure after just 3 yrs. As things stand, at best they are an immature technology. at worst they are a dead end. also solar pannel efficency is a total moot point, its just single figure % gains. so a standard 400 w pannel at most becomes a 420 watt pannel, far better just add an extra pannel, and this is very achievable now as pannels have become so cheap
If Perovskite is a "film" that overlays a silicon cell, then would there be a market to produce a Perovskite film for a DIY application for existing panels already in use?
I can’t help but wonder how A.I. will be able to accelerate the chemical compound discovery process in the future.
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What is the cell voltage of one of these stacked cells?
Can you still use a normal mppt controller with them?
Excelente.
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I notice they never said what the efficiency of the panels was...!
It wasn't covered in the video: did they solve the stability and durability problems with perovskites? Last I heard they degrade in direct sunlight, or with temperature and humidity changes you naturally experience when in use. It's all well and good if they have higher efficiency to cost ratio out of the box, but the thing that matters is the average cost per kWh over their warrantied life span. If their increased efficiency drops off within the days, weeks, and months that perovskites historically have then I expect the cost might not work out cheaper over it's life per kWh delivered. So, what is that, and how does it compare to silicon?
And when they do, they release lead into the environment
I don't think they will answer. I wish there was a service out there that could search all interconnected documents like an engine. That could be useful.
@@colinwiseman I was being polite. It looks better if they provide the answer and self correct.
The long term stability issues persist. Feel free to link me to a source saying they last roughly as long as the more standard silicon if I'm wrong?
It's a glaring omission from the Oxford PV guy, but I don't blame Everything Electric because this is specific scientific research and I know that's a specialist skill they likely couldn't justify the expense of within the team. The Oxford PV guy likely needs to drum up some funding for their research or potentially people lose their jobs, so it's all aboard the hype train.
They likely thought that talking to Oxford PV was expert enough. The problem is that you can't trust the person who stands to benefit from it's success to give an unbiased overview of the technology.
This is the problem with channels like "Undecided with Matt Ferrell" and "Two Bit da Vinci". They don't know enough science to be able to tell what is marketing hype and what is reality reliably. You might as well just read the company press release and blindly trust it.
Sadly, occasionally, the fully charged group brushes close to this kind of whoopsie; hyping tech with an undisclosed Achilles heel. I suppose you can't cover such a breadth of topics without the odd thing slipping through the net. I think fully charged does far better than the other two channels I mentioned.
A C&EN article from back in 2018 mentioned OxfordPV had developed a stable forumulation and cell layering technique that improved stability in the 1,000s of hours mark. The article mentions that entry point for commercialisation is 10,000 hours mark, with high recyclability, as the OxfordPV panels are focused on commercial use then they may be targetting cases where increased generation over a five to ten year lifespan is beneficial. Particularly with high recyclable panels, this may not suit home generation where long durable panels (15+ years) are more cost effective.
Now that makes sense. Swappable in a field is an easy task, akin to painting the forth bridge, but no life jacket needed 😆
Great news! Thanks.
Thanks for the clear explanation
I like that it isn't based on some super rare mineral. The value of the discovery is definitely proportional to the scale of deployment.
Nice!
If it turns out 35% efficient perovskite silicon cells are, say, 50% more expensive than current solar cells, and therefore struggle to be competitive at a commercial / grid level scale, there could still be many very exciting opportunities where energy density per m2 is important. I'm thinking solar PV on EVs and on the wings of battery powered planes, etc.
Who makes 35% efficient panels...I'll give you a clue, NO ONE.
Remarkable indeed. this might end all these silly wars going around in the world
Hi! Can someone tag me the timecode of what degradation time of this panels? Twice watched and not see it in interview
Mega interesting!!!
I wonder if this multijunction PV can be combined with thermal photovoltaics?
I think its worthwhile to transparently talk about the downsides of tandem. Scalability, cost and reliability comparison with standard silicon solar cells side by side should be discussed. I know more 100M of dollars have been invested into OxfordPV over a decade, and yet Commercial product is still no go... since spot price of PV is so low now below 10cents per W..., i think tandem should be used on specific application that silicon cant be used. I think they shoukd consider more specific application.
Perovskite is cheap but rest of the layers that are used to make the device are insanely expensive...... like over 4000usd per gram..
I value breakthrough in science, but climate change is coming too fast.. time to cut some corners to focus on what works or not.
I’ve been following Perovskite solar for about 10 years. As far as I know the issue was always that Perovskite was prone to degradation. This video didn’t mention anything about this unfortunately. Have these issues been solved?
no, this is why the video ignored them
love the way you have covered the history and future in less than 15 mins, also explained a complex subject in an easy to digest format, excellent work everyone!
Sold! I'll take two!
You can visit someone building triple junction gallium arsenide cells for satellites, they are even more efficient. Probably cost 100x though...
Can't they tune something to fill up the green part of the spectrum?
Goodbye coal.
what country are you in? not the UK it seems.
Doesn’t matter if coal costs more than alternatives. Free market will dictate change.
Coal will never leave us as long as there is global overcrowding @@chrishaberbosch1029
The buzz about Perokskite cells are going of for quite a while already. When are we getting commercially available Perovskite panels at a comparable price point and longivity as Si?
0:17 On that chart the "accelerated case" has solar PV deploying a bit shy of 700 GW/year in 2028, we are already there this year. The growth has been tremendous. COP meetings can do whatever they like, they won't solve anything, cheap solar PV on the other hand will.
Super awesome. Can't wait to see all the progress over the years.
I think multi junction solar panels are great, even better if you live on the equator unfortunately a lot of us don't, I'd suppose we'd have some benefits of being able to use the second junction of these panels around mid summer in the northern hemisphere converting the shorter light wavelengths into usable power as well, in the other three seasons we'd only be generating power from the longer wavelengths as the shortest wavelengths would with the angel of the sun and earth be filtered out by the atmosphere .
Each of the solar panels on my roof produces 400 watts. I'm wondering if the same sized panels made of perovskite + silicon could potentially produce 600 watts. If so, that would be an amazing leap.
It would. But if your current cells are 25% efficient, these particular new cells (25.9% efficient) might take them up to 415 watts. Good, but, as he said "incremental".
Hoping the team work with Aptera motors to put this on automotive. With Aptera design, solar powered automotive is possible.
Such efficiency of solar panels would allow the production of electric cars with solar charging and even allow light low-speed electric cars to drive directly from the sun.
I just hope Europe hangs on to this research...
Did I hear lead (rhymes with dead)? Is that safe?
But don't perovskite crystals decay in sunlight or have they fixed this.
Can we point out the fact that there's more than enough renewable sources of energy right now for everyone's needs, but it's the commercial power consumption and other rescources that the business sector consumes without criticism or a batted eye lid. All those offices and car dealerships that don't actually generate any tangible wealth.
Anyone remember what COVID lockdowns uncovered about the pointlessness of the rat race?
I think time for economical competitive is not here yet.
Also this time we heard nothing about how long life they will have. Will they ever reach 40 years lifetime as silicon cell already have?
In commercial applications, where the higher efficiency makes a tandem panel more cost effective, long term durability is not necessarily the goal. Even silicon only panels will be swapped out before their maximum lifespan is reached as their efficiency will have dropped and replacements/newer technology panels would be more cost effective than keeping the older ones
I would've liked to see them talk about the long-term durability of the perovskite cells, last thing I read said they are now at 15 years until the cells are degraded, compare that to the 30+ years that most silicone cells last and you have a great discrepancy between these two, have they made any advancements in that department?
not 15, 1.5
@jukeseyable even, worse, last thing I've read was 15 or at least working on that, I mean it would be good for the PV industry, they could sell you new panels every 10-20 years, if you actually want to have the maximum amount of power generated, but they need to bring these two Cells closer together in terms of lifetime imo.
not sure where you have read 15 years, as most scientific reports state lifetime in hours, the best figures I have seen that are in propper scientific papers and not press releases, are 3000 hrs for silicon doped perovskite, so less efficient, but more durable . that in the uk would give you around 3 yrs use, so a long way to go. the 15 yrs could be untill total failure, the 3 yr figure 3000 hr is time above 90% of initial capacity
@@LastWish90 the 15 yrs might be an asparational figure for the tech to make them comercially viable, but not actual test results of that the tech is capable of at this time
Spelling error in the diagram at 3:40 - "perovskite" not "pervoskite".
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I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.
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Is anyone else bothered that Oxford PV have built their production facility in Germany? What is the point in investing in the r&d if the benefits are immediately exported?
In short no, OxfordPV own the most patents for this technology. They may intend to seek a licensing approach rather than manufacturing one (just like ARM does in processor chips). The German plant is relatively small scale in partnership with a German industrial partner with expertise in this space. The panels produced sound like they are destined for assessment at commercial generator partners round the world for assessing in their existing farms under varying real world conditions. If the trials and OxfordPV choose the licensing root this will likely generate more revenue for them, and UK tax take, than manufacturing alone. Plus will accelerate the adoption of tandem panels and so the output from renewables globally.
Now scale it to deploy N+10GW every year on the global market. And then drive down bifacial used panels to nothing so I can run 10kW+ or a couple hundred amps to an electric smelter for super cheap instead of propane. Thanks.
Oxford University - to the lay person they might think that is in the UK and therefore the manufacturing plant would be in the UK - anyone know why we have shipped the manufacturing to Germany?
Efficency
subsidy to promote new technology in this space from German governmnent.
Subsidies and a joint venture with Meyer-Burger using their equipment. Trying to start new things like this in the UK was simply harder. Plus fortunately it gets around Brexit.
@@beyondzeroemissions Makes me so glad we are going spend £22billion to dig holes to bury carbon. That makes a lot more sense. Sarcasm does not work very well on social media. I will be astonished if the Governments plan to spend £22billion achieves any benefits and is cost effective and works. The American Govt. tried this and no-one even with unlimited resources could make carbon capture and burial work.
@@timmurphy5541 Brexit? OK I guess most of the places I would try selling super efficient solar panels are in Europe. Pretty depressing. Personally I will never forgive David Cameron.
Am I the only one to think "sperm!" the instant we see Imogen at ~1:52? The exclamation matters, to me at least. She looks just like Woody Allen playing a sperm in 'Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask' (what a title!)
Well worth a watch
it is nice to have such a vivid imagination --for some.
The perovskites don't have 20 year nominal life like silicon . More like five years. The heavy metals used are a concern. I had cadmium telluride panels and my house burnt. Where did that toxic cadmium and Telluride go?
I have been following Perovskite development for five years now and glad to see its present development. I am getting ready to start purchasing them in my business development in large numbers. Let me know when I can buy stock.
dont Garry you will regret it, they degrade very rapidly, they have a lifetime of 2 to 3 yrs max. for a percentage increase in efficency that degrade much faster than mono crystaline pannels. within 1 yr they fall behind standard pannels, and after 3 they are useless. dont take my word for it research, and 2 dont do it unless you want to ruin your finances
1:55 kinda ridiculous that they don't have that building covered in solar panels
It's unlikely that they own the building
Excelent episode! Happy to see Imogen back with a nice tan and looking forward to next videos. Information I got so far from other sources only referred to perovskite cells in developement, this is first real aplication which is much more relevant and exciting! Kudos also to the person behind cutting these videos, a job very well done!
"World record" for how long?
How long before the perovskite cell's lifespan has ended or is so bad that it's worse than the old-school cells..?
Does the vid address this? Dare I watch it?
Thank you for the GOOD NEWS - I can't wait to be able to afford to change my entire roof! VIVA Transformation! Power in the hands of the People… 👏😀
The world needs as much PV as it can deploy, along with renewable energy STORAGE!
When will we decarbonise the manufacture of renewable energy products. Never seen any videos showing any developments. If we need to do it, why not now. Its becoming clearer that we have reached the tipping point. We cannot afford to increase emissions to get to a decrease.
like using natural gas and coal etc.
@TerryHickey-xt4mf They caused the problem in the first place & now we are continuing with more of the same. The rate of renewable adoption is causing CO2 emissions to rise because EVs, batteries & solar are more carbon intensive. Its all about greed & profites & nothing to do with climate change.
Most of the world's PV panels are made in China. They have deployed vast amounts of renewables.
Even in the UK, a solar installation should have an energy payback of around 2 years, and less in lower latitudes. The next 30 years are essentially carbon free.
His arguments for perovskite are virtually exactly the arguments for tetraethyl lead. Lets not make that mistake again, yes, lead is cheap and readily available - its also neurotoxic, especially to kids.
These solar cells don't put lead into the breathable or drinkable environment. There are designs of panels that encapsulate the panel and absorb any leached lead.
It's not like these are given to kids to lick.
So is perovskite as deadly as tetraethyl lead?
Perovskites don't have to contain lead, it is the crystal structure that the term describes. Lead's just the original perovskite and presumably the easiest to make.
@@spankeyfish OK but the story is explicit these do
@@tonycollyweston6182 OFC not, & the lead is released when it ages. But we dont need another toxic burden making us dumb and violent
Efficiency is one aspect. How much energy it produces over it's lifetime vs energy spent on manufacturing and *recycling back to raw materials*
You could have a low efficiency material but dirt cheap and recyclable then it is an absolute bargain. Plants are like that.
Now 550 Watt solar panels are only $90. Thanks China 🎉
EQ on the audio isn't great. Good Video though. thanks
Looks like someone spent a little too long in the sun!
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The efficiency levels of Perovskite are based on the amount of solar energy that penetrates the Earth's atmosphere. So naturally the use of Perovskite in solar panels on orbitting satellites would produce more power as the solar energy will not be diluted to the same degree. This could be the beginning of solar power plants in space.
Only if the commercial panels are graded to absorb that density of energy.
hopefully that requirement will not be needed in the future.
and how do you get the generated power from low earth orbit to where its consumed on the earths surface????
@jukeseyable That's already being worked on.
@@jukeseyable like your smartphone duh, wireless charging
The cheapest? Really? When compared to on-shore wind? Are you factoring in the loss of agricultural production Vs Dual Use of fields for food AND wind power? I love PV, but it makes me wince when I see fields of them harvesting light instead of wind + food.
🤗THANKS. IMOGEN FOR THE INFO AND SHARING THE GOOD POSSIBILITIES FOR THE FUTURE 🌞🌞🌞
I'm really not getting this obsession with Efficiency. The sun gives us 1.4 KW per square m for free. I'm thinking it's a bit of marketing hype like say the latest BMW with 700hp.
Commercial generation cost is a function of land area consumed and number of panels deployed per MW of electricity output. With higher effeciency output either less land for the same output or more output for the same land area is achieved. This makes reaching net zero targets easier to achieve, and could accelerate timescales.
In NZ we have solar farms that are integrated with the local farmers. The panels are mounted higher to allow grazing and farm machinery to operate as well. This means the landowner gets an added (reliable) income as well as his ongoing farm income.
totally agree, its sales bollocks that sales and marketing have falsely made importance out of. a 400 watt pannel becomes a 420 watt pannel with 5% increased efficency. and at 50% elevated cost. far better just but 1 extra mono crystaline pannel, and then keep the rest of th saved money
The answer is lead. That's what perovskites are. Lead crystals. Definitely not the answer we should be begging for considering how bad lead was for the last generation.
solar thermal is 70% efficient
7:33 *_ "puts a greater burden on the de-carbonization challenge."_*
There is no "climate crisis." Please stop the paranoia and fear mongering.
Is perovskites practical , not yet
Perovskite is invented, so why couldn't it come with a better name? That's as awkward as chewing rocks.
But - does it work effectively in this weather we have had for the last month - dull grey, overcast and/or this morning - freezing fog? Like the wind-farms, it has been effectively flat calm for the same period, so no wind energy, and no solar energy.
It's the days when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing that makes it worthwhile.
For those days it's neither, there's batteries.
There are more than just one country on the planet, just because something is slightly less effective in one country for whatever reason doesn't mean it won't work in others, don't dismiss any technology just because you don't think it's suitable for your own needs, we're going to need many types of tech for may different situations.
~90% of the world’s population lives in places where solar makes sense. For instance I live in the mountains of Northern New Mexico. I am entirely off grid with 10 kw solar and 60 kWh of batteries. Your situation may not be suitable for solar. Bad for you.
@@GaryV-p3h With respect, you are entirely missing the point. This was a UK programme talking about the UK, and I'm in the UK, with UK weather, not Arizona or California, etc. - - In the right environment, Skis and skidoo's are practical modes of transport, too, but not here in the UK.
UV still goes through.
You missed the whole problem with perovskites which is its longevity. It breaks down very quickly.
I'm astounded you didn't cover this. So just a fluff piece then ...
I think it's important for you to understand the issues before attempting to explain them.
This is new technology which hasn’t yet been fully developed. There’s good research you might find interesting which shows a path to 30 year life span for perovskite panels. This compares very favorably with current silicon panels. One such study was done at Princeton. Future looks bright. 😎
All panels degrade (though most now are now supposed to lose only 10% over 25-30 years). They didn't mention it - but that's been why Perovskite UNTIL NOW has not been commercial - the fact Oxford PV have this in a commercial product obviously means they've gone some way to solve the very rapid breakdown of Perovskite - which was known to lose 50% power in 1000 hours of daylight. Maybe they've got it down to 5% in 5000 hours. Who knows? The reason they're with a commercial partner only is probably to measure/test if this is true in the field.
@@markyates5744And probably to develop efficient manufacturing approaches.
For commercial applications 'sufficient longevity' offers benefits now as opposed to waiting for maximum longevity in the future. Even if five years lifespan the panels will apy for themselves, particular if they are high recyclability designs. Commrcial panels will be swapped out much earlier then their maximum lifespan, unlike home panels, as the output drops below an acceptable threshold, panels fail/damage, or with significant technology shifts.
just wait and see, you may be disappointed, but everyone else will not be. All new tech has had a tough time getting in to the mainstream, just luckily not everybody pushing the limits has your ' glass half empty' attitude.