I think part of the attendance problem is the performance, but another part is the tv problems. If a lot of the fan base can’t watch the cardinals on tv, then they aren’t as tuned in and aren’t as likely to go to a game.
I don’t think they are very far away from being back. The offensive is real young.and will get better. They need better instruction. They need a pitching and hitting lab. Give the young players a chance to be the best version of themselves. The Cardinals aren’t doing that.Pitching is my biggest concern.
I see many many empty seats next year if these same people are in the dugout and Moe still gets to play Puppeteer next year? Some will say "What if they start winning again?" I'll counter that with.....Nothing has changed in the last two year's. Why would it magically change in year three? If Marmol and his dozen bench coaches are back I'll just check the box score. If I have too hear "Soft contact" one more time I'm going to vomit.
You don t speak for me or anyone.i ve stuck with them for 55 years and damned if i m going let drama queens influence me whether i go to a game or not.they finished over .500.you puds need to patient
The Cardinals have the 4th richest owner in all of MLB. We don't know yet that Nightengale's report was accurate (let's not forget he's had a ton of misreports in the last few years), but if the Dewitts really do go cheap and insist on slashing the MLB roster in order to fix the player development and evaluation issues, I feel like there is going to be some long term distrust built up in the fanbase.
If they do a rebuild I would try a Gray/Helsley to Baltimore for Holliday and a couple of top 10 pitchers. I really don't want a full blown rebuild but if they do at least make it interesting.
I think your wrong if you think the fans are going to be happy if they trade all the big name stars and go with nothing but youngsters. I know I wouldn't go down there. Mo should be the 1st payroll cut. Then the hitting coach Turner Ward. If they trade Helsley then they are not going to have a real closer than you will see a record worst than last year. DeWitt and the cardinals are not losing money they are trying to maximize profits. It is true their present payroll should be able to have a very competitive team but Mo spent alot of money on bad signings and DeWitt should have moved him out 4 or 5 years ago
It's not the money he's given to spend. It's who and how he spends it. Combine that with all the players he's traded away that go thrive elsewhere......Nope. He doesn't get a pass. At least not with me. That Brandon Crawford signing and bringing back Descalso to basically hold Marmol's hand was it for me. Think about this......He gave a extension to a terrible coach for a last place finish? I've never even heard of that, let alone see it? 😑👈
I don't thnk there gnna rebuild there just simply gnna move on from sum contracts goldy lynn Gibson kittrigdge etc mayb move on from mikolis and oli and his coaching staff but thats it if they trade nolan contreras an grey helsly they would have evn less attendance nxt yr they just need to keep those guys mayb trade arronado if they could get something decent if not keep all them get another top end starter and we'd contend the fans will come back if u feild a true playoffs contender that's a retool def not a rebuild go cards
At least one guy on this panel has a BRAIN… the Pirates are better than the Cardinals. Period. The pirates will have THREE players taken in all fantasy drafts in the top 5 rounds. The overall #1 pick might be SKENES. The Cardinals probably won’t have a SINGLE guy taken in the first 8 rounds. Yeah the Pirates are better it’s like DUH! All the Pirates need to do this off season is sign a couple relief pitchers, maybe go after two hitters and they will win the division. The Pirates can do that. The Cardinals will finish DEAD LAST in 2025 to say the Pirate aren’t better just goes to show how much you know about baseball.
@@roballen8431 Clearly you don't understand baseball. First off smartass the Cardinals have ZERO players that will be taken in a fantasy draft next year from the perspective as an impact player. The Pirates will have no less than THREE! Secondly the Pirates have a better farm system so they have players coming up who can make an impact. Third because they have a better farm system they can make some trades with teams not looking to compete... the PIRATES will WIN the division in 2025 because I believe the ownership will FINALLY realize GO FOR IT! The pirates are like 4 players away from going for a WORLD SERIES. Get two hitters and TWO pitchers and this team will be a contending team. The Cardinals don't have ANYTHING!
@@roballen8431 OMG you got issues. Who Cares if you finish under 500 last year and over 500 this year if you're not winning a World Series NO ONE WILL EVER remember that team unless you have something like Pujols hitting his 700th home run. LIKE DUH! The point is under or over 500 doesn't matter if you're NOT winning in the PLAYOFFS! WAKE UP!
@@scariesthauntedhouse i ve got issues? You re the one with the problem.how pathetic are you that your life is lived through doings of the cardinals.you need to face the hard facts ,something that everybody over the age 5 knows.you can t win all the time and times you don t win for a long time.man up, don t be a little bitch
Kareem is the biggest Siani hater I’ve ever seen, Scott and Siani both stink get over it. You don’t have to go on an anti Siani campaign to try to prop up Scott who you got attached to while watching in the minors.
Seriously don’t trade gray areando been better then Goldschmidt this year and helsley the cardinals need to resign him seriously the need outfield depth
Fedde is on a reasonable contract why would you trade him. His contract fits within a rebuild.
I think part of the attendance problem is the performance, but another part is the tv problems. If a lot of the fan base can’t watch the cardinals on tv, then they aren’t as tuned in and aren’t as likely to go to a game.
I don’t think they are very far away from being back. The offensive is real young.and will get better. They need better instruction. They need a pitching and hitting lab. Give the young players a chance to be the best version of themselves. The Cardinals aren’t doing that.Pitching is my biggest concern.
I see many many empty seats next year if these same people are in the dugout and Moe still gets to play Puppeteer next year? Some will say "What if they start winning again?" I'll counter that with.....Nothing has changed in the last two year's. Why would it magically change in year three? If Marmol and his dozen bench coaches are back I'll just check the box score. If I have too hear "Soft contact" one more time I'm going to vomit.
You don t speak for me or anyone.i ve stuck with them for 55 years and damned if i m going let drama queens influence me whether i go to a game or not.they finished over .500.you puds need to patient
The Cardinals have the 4th richest owner in all of MLB. We don't know yet that Nightengale's report was accurate (let's not forget he's had a ton of misreports in the last few years), but if the Dewitts really do go cheap and insist on slashing the MLB roster in order to fix the player development and evaluation issues, I feel like there is going to be some long term distrust built up in the fanbase.
The Cardinals or the fourth richest owners I know the Cleveland Indians have a rich owner or something like 7 billion
It ain t your fuckin money
I don't think it's a rebuild. They are gonna move some contacts to free up money but the young guys we have are the future
If they do a rebuild I would try a Gray/Helsley to Baltimore for Holliday and a couple of top 10 pitchers. I really don't want a full blown rebuild but if they do at least make it interesting.
Lmao that would never happen, Bal gets Felix Bautista back next year anyway
@@justinpruitt9285 why wouldn't they? Don't laugh to hard. Both together would be worth more than you seem to think.
I agree with Josh 💯
I’m all for a rebuild but the average fan isn’t going to like it.
I understand the stereotypical cardinals fan loves Nootbar to the end of time. But he is so overrated.
I think your wrong if you think the fans are going to be happy if they trade all the big name stars and go with nothing but youngsters. I know I wouldn't go down there.
Mo should be the 1st payroll cut. Then the hitting coach Turner Ward.
If they trade Helsley then they are not going to have a real closer than you will see a record worst than last year.
DeWitt and the cardinals are not losing money they are trying to maximize profits. It is true their present payroll should be able to have a very competitive team but Mo spent alot of money on bad signings and DeWitt should have moved him out 4 or 5 years ago
One thing bout pitching this year when they walk batters gives up runs
If they aren’t going to put money into this team then this is the only option
This is on the Dewitts. You can't expect Mo to make chickensoup out of chicken shit year after year.
It's not the money he's given to spend. It's who and how he spends it. Combine that with all the players he's traded away that go thrive elsewhere......Nope. He doesn't get a pass. At least not with me. That Brandon Crawford signing and bringing back Descalso to basically hold Marmol's hand was it for me. Think about this......He gave a extension to a terrible coach for a last place finish? I've never even heard of that, let alone see it? 😑👈
@@robertcrist5747seriously main issue for cardinals is runners in scoring position all year
Pitching is dominant the last 3 years.
@@roballen8431 seriously full of crap when walk batters they give up lot of runs
They're going the way of the Kansas City royals
I don't thnk there gnna rebuild there just simply gnna move on from sum contracts goldy lynn Gibson kittrigdge etc mayb move on from mikolis and oli and his coaching staff but thats it if they trade nolan contreras an grey helsly they would have evn less attendance nxt yr they just need to keep those guys mayb trade arronado if they could get something decent if not keep all them get another top end starter and we'd contend the fans will come back if u feild a true playoffs contender that's a retool def not a rebuild go cards
NO..............
At least one guy on this panel has a BRAIN… the Pirates are better than the Cardinals. Period. The pirates will have THREE players taken in all fantasy drafts in the top 5 rounds. The overall #1 pick might be SKENES. The Cardinals probably won’t have a SINGLE guy taken in the first 8 rounds. Yeah the Pirates are better it’s like DUH! All the Pirates need to do this off season is sign a couple relief pitchers, maybe go after two hitters and they will win the division. The Pirates can do that. The Cardinals will finish DEAD LAST in 2025 to say the Pirate aren’t better just goes to show how much you know about baseball.
Brain rot, hard read
And yet the cards finished over .500.did the pirates?oh thats right, they haven t in 10 years
@@roballen8431 Clearly you don't understand baseball. First off smartass the Cardinals have ZERO players that will be taken in a fantasy draft next year from the perspective as an impact player. The Pirates will have no less than THREE! Secondly the Pirates have a better farm system so they have players coming up who can make an impact. Third because they have a better farm system they can make some trades with teams not looking to compete... the PIRATES will WIN the division in 2025 because I believe the ownership will FINALLY realize GO FOR IT! The pirates are like 4 players away from going for a WORLD SERIES. Get two hitters and TWO pitchers and this team will be a contending team. The Cardinals don't have ANYTHING!
@@roballen8431 OMG you got issues. Who Cares if you finish under 500 last year and over 500 this year if you're not winning a World Series NO ONE WILL EVER remember that team unless you have something like Pujols hitting his 700th home run. LIKE DUH! The point is under or over 500 doesn't matter if you're NOT winning in the PLAYOFFS! WAKE UP!
@@scariesthauntedhouse i ve got issues? You re the one with the problem.how pathetic are you that your life is lived through doings of the cardinals.you need to face the hard facts ,something that everybody over the age 5 knows.you can t win all the time and times you don t win for a long time.man up, don t be a little bitch
Josh is a Cardinal pawn
Kareem is the biggest Siani hater I’ve ever seen, Scott and Siani both stink get over it. You don’t have to go on an anti Siani campaign to try to prop up Scott who you got attached to while watching in the minors.
Seriously don’t trade gray areando been better then Goldschmidt this year and helsley the cardinals need to resign him seriously the need outfield depth
No playoffs for Satan's team. The worst fans in baseball need to get used to it.