The part in the video game in the restaurant area with David where Ellie is hiding/running/trying to find a knife is fucking TERRIFYING to play through. He runs so fast and has insane hearing.
Ever since Joel lost his daughter Sarah, he's had a void in his heart. Someone young, a kid, to love and care for. He was afraid to feel that love again for another person and also Ellie reminded him so much of his daughter that he didn't want to be reminded of Sarah. Now, this is the first time where he has fully accepted Ellie as his new "daughter" and he's fully embraced protecting her and caring for her like he would his own daughter. He also called Sarah "baby girl" as well, a direct parallel and sign that Ellie has become that too for him.
Honestly, I think Joel probably has an inkling of what happened. He's seen Ellie scared, sure, but this was different. This girl was absolutely traumatized, completely terrified, trembling. Having seen the world himself already, Joel knows what was in her eyes. He knows.
Joel was running on pure adrenaline since the basement and whenever he let the rage fall, you could see his body swaying and his eyes closing. Even on pure adrenaline like he was, thoughts aren't clear and focused. It's more emotion and survival with emotional and physical muscle memory to get you through the crisis at hand. I don't think he thought about what Ellie had been through yet. His fevered adrenaline clouded thought was finding her and getting her back. Everything else can wait or isn't important. Notice how he sort of wandered around outside after finding the bodies. His brain wasn't allowing him to think logically because it was in the "fight" part of fight or flight. Joel would've normally systematically started checking buildings. He was dazed and angry. Once he found Ellie and they embraced, he started crashing. You can see by the way he had to lean on Ellie as they walked away. He was probably getting the shakes from the adrenaline wearing off... and then the pain and drowsiness will come back. He'll keep himself going for Ellie's sake, but he's a wreck.
I mean, she also savagely killed some one and was on her own. He hasn't seen her under those circumstances. I do agree that he probably has a hunch but it could easily just be the fact that she was alone and had to fight to survive.
I was happy that Ellie was able to take out her attacker. But at the same time I was incredibly sad for her. Her screams throughout the entire scene were incredibly painful.
yea like there goes the child thinking ...and here comes the adult thinking , growing up so Quick , in that , you have to , learn , and adpapt to the , world now youre in xoxoxoxoxo STAY SAFE TAKE IT EASY xoxoxoxo
Video Game Joel being Ellie's first kill in this episode was great. The "baby girl" got me in the end and Bella's performance was particularly amazing this episode.
"Joel called her babygirl, it's the first time he let himself love her" is a comment that stood out to me from another video. Edit: I shudder to Imagine if Joel had made it In time, when it comes to Ellie he does not fuck around and his ruthlessness and aggression is glimpsed again briefly, and I love his dark side lmao.
His dark side is horrible, that scene of him torturing those guys was not about protecting Ellie at all... it was implicit before, that and him suffering from anxiety and depression which makes everything worse. At this point Ellie is the only reason he haven't completely lost it. But he's yet to complete his anti-hero cycle, but I'm not spoiling anything.
@@brianwilson4724 I was wondering why they changed that, but then it occured to me that Joel in the show has very much been about preserving her childlike innocence and if he'd seen that it might've broken him as he'd have taken it as a major failure. It works in the context of the show where in the same episode we see both characters at their darkest but neither has to bear witness to it.
@@JulioLeonFandinho I agree and disagree with you (respectfully). He probably could have found a different way to get the information out of those men but at the same time, in his head he needs to find Ellie as quickly as possible before she is killed or tortured then killed. Due to his past experience he deduced these men a raiders because of them attacking them without provocation. Lastly he is forced by circumstance to kill them. If he left them there, they would eventually get out of the restraints and warn there friends and keep coming after them.
@@Dilligff apparently it was both letting Ellie be the one to survive on her own and seeing the set on fire IRL made Neil slightly uncomfortable about having them in there longer then they needed to be
This is the heart of the original. Such a perfect adaptation. I believe years from now, this will be considered a master class in how the right way to adapt a video game should be done. Great direction, great acting and great writing (Keeping the great writing from the game). I wouldn't change a single thing they've done... not a single thing. People complain about needing more infected. Nah... I agree with what they've done. The infected are the setting. The horrible humans are the antagonists.
The use of the infected have been brilliant. They mentioned in the podcast that scenes where there were infected they cut out generally because when the infected are around the focus is on them and it should be. The infected shouldn't be extras but when they are around they are the main threat. Like in this episode there are meant to be infected chasing ellie and david in the forest but for the rest of the episode it would make you think "well when are they going to show up again" if theres a pack of them roaming the forest rather than the present story with david
I think theyve done as good of a job as can be with the show. Idk if its really quite GoT or Breaking Bad level though as it seems a bit all over the place. Almost like each episode feels a bit disconnected or standalone. Theyre all entertaining for sure and the acting has been top notch but cant help but think if skipped almost any given episode it really wouldnt be too hard to follow along the next
1) I love your reactions and how genuine they are 2) just felt like mentioning that HBO released a making of clip and Pedro explains how he calls Bella “bellie” and says “she’s my blessing and I love her” and I think everyone deserves to cry like I did hearing that !😃😃 They’re super close in real life and have such a beautiful relationship which imo helps them make their portrayal of Joel and Ellie even more realistic
Seriously freaking good acting from Bella, Pedro and the guy playing David. Amazingly good, honestly. The entire series, really, is about how the REAL monsters are not the infected, but just "people"... and nothing drives that point home more than this episode.
I freaking love that Ellie saved herself physically but that Joel was there to save her emotionally. such a fantastic episode and moment for our main characters. Bella Ramsey absolutely killed this performance! Pedro Pascal too! ❤
I too am saddened we only have one episode left of the season as I've been most enjoying sharing the show with you, Jess. But then again, as you pointed out, not spending Monday mornings in a puddle of tears because of the show is not the worst thing in the world.
Gosh, Bella's acting in this episode was astounding. And the story, it's deep and dark... But good. As an older brother with a younger sister, who acts just like Ellie... I was so agitated at David by the end, so angry, lol. He did a great job too. Also, rip Joel's voice actor, ironic that Ellie deals the blow, lol
Bella has just been on fire the last 2 weeks in particular with their acting chops. And call me crazy but i do believe they'll finish a hat trick and be equally phenomenal on the finale next week. I might be afraid of a fair many things but nothing scares me more than being on the wrong side of an Ellie game or show.
@@brianwilson4724 Ohh thank you!! SInce we're educating one another They and Them have been used for centuries to describe a single person. More fun fact people use they and them to describe a single person multiple times in conversation ALL the time and dont even realize it. Glad we could talk. XOXO
@@kacektv9405 where has they and them been used for centuries?? Any examples of it? Or just like all libtards you spit out nonsense statements, but 10/10 times cannot back it up.
@@kacektv9405 it's worth pointing out bella is fine with any pronouns - he/she/they, etc, so you can refer to him with any pronouns - they just don't like to be specifically gendered.
Such a great episode. Probably the best episode yet. Also, incredibly faithful to the game. The actor who played David was incredible. One of the best performances we've seen in the show. Fun fact; David's right hand man, James, was played by Troy Baker. He's the guy who played Joel in the video game.
It's a win when no one dies in the show that you're emotionally attached to lol not counting James who is the voice of Joel in the games. If anyone ever doubted Bella could pull off the killer side of Ellie displayed in the games I present to you episode 8
David really is the most disgusting character in the game and the show. Almost every other character we meet has at least some shades of gray to their character. There really aren't any true bad guys or good guys for that matter. Except David. He's truly a monster. The way he uses religion to dominate and control his people. The way he manipulates people's insecurities to make them feel powerless and make them feel like they have to rely on him completely. The out of control ego and God complex. He's horrifying. Notice how when he's talking to Ellie he tells her that without him she's truly alone. I think he picks up on how ending up alone is one of her greatest fears and tries to use it against her by saying only he can fix that. He wants to make her dependent on him. Classic cult leader stuff. He's so disgusting.
@@pepe-silvia little ways. They couldn’t do it too much bc he’s still a monster- but I felt like making the guy joel killed a father with a grieving daughter and cannibalism being a means to survive and something only a select few know about rather than something that they all just enjoy doing. In the game it felt like his entire crew was evil and he was the worst of them.
While I do agree David's the worst, I also think there's a shade of gray (or a shade of slightly-different-blackness) since, for better or worse (better *and* worse), he's providing some non-zero degree of "care" for children, here and in the game, where he tells a woman to take the children to shelter to protect them from possible infection from Ellie running around. The show version seems to make him a hair worse depicting the nature of that "care". Wouldn't consider it much of any redemption of course, but I think it is a nuance in the different varieties of evil, a nuance that I liked, contra for ex. hunters who will just out and out kill kids by all we can surmise.
Late to the game and catching up with these reactions, some of the best Ive seen btw. What I love with this show is how past lines resonate strongly with me as I watch. "I am the bad guy, because I did a bad guy thing. But you get it, you may not be her father but you were someones." - Henry "Men like us are put here for a reason, we have a job to do and god help any motherfraker who gets in our way" -Bill "Save who you can save." -Tess "You keep going for family." -Joel Trauma has made Joels defense mechanism into that dissociative survivor mode. Blank look, slow monotone speech. All he can focus on in those moments is what needs done to keep family safe. No matter the cost, he can't fail again.
Made it through with dry eyes proud of you on that. James (Troy Baker aka Video Game Joel) did a damn good job with his part. David's actor did a hell of a job getting you to feel uneasy and hate him.
i just cant get my head around that if you are a cannibal, why do you trow horsemeat away? they shot ellies horse and just stashed it in the barn to rot.
That interrogation scene is perfect illustration of wounded animal cornered is the most dangerous. Joel is still weak, he is scared to death for Ellie. The papa bear has been roused from sleep and he ain't fucking around.
07:05 so…remember right at the start of the episode where David said the weather was too cold to bury Alec and they’d do it in the spring? Yeah, he *absolutely* fed that kid her own father
I honestly thought they were gonna skip the cannibalism or the statutory abuse parts but I'm so happy they carried it out like it originally happened. It made the episode an edge-of-the-seat moment all throughout.
This episode is intense and there isn’t a Clicker in sight. Most episodes are that way and I love it. David is such a creepy, disgusting, vile human. He’s the anti Joel in every way. Imho this was a 10/10 episode
If people always use the lack of infected in the show it's because they don't understand a game and a show it's two different thing, they are doing an amazing job since episode 1 but people cry for many reasons, and fuck yeah David is so terrifying, I am a 26 years old man and I was so unconfortable just by listening to him, can't imagine a 14 years old girl fear. When I think he was a math teacher for kids, not surprising pedophiles are often doing job including children.
THANK YOU. When Ellie is stabbing him I wanted nothing more to pull her off of him. So many people cheered for it. All I could think of was how that was the end of the who she was and how she'd now have to carry the reality of that moment with her for the rest of her life. It needed to be done - but jesus not by a fourteen year old girl. Proud of her but the fact that she kept going - that's some real trauma.
Sadly, think about it, before the world fell apart, David was a teacher. He spent so much time with kids. I'm sure he had his students who got "special attention" from teacher. [creeps me out to even mention it] I found it interesting when he was hurting Ellie and you were saying "I know I know" to her, which is very much what Joel had said to Sarah the last time he used the words "Baby girl" on screen. I wouldn't notice it so much, except I already knew the Baby girl line was coming. I was suspicious of the meat before anything was said about it.
I am so happy Troy Baker (the real Joel) did such a good job as James. I have to note that Troy has done “PERFORMANCE capture” (Voice, Acting and Motiom) for Joel and not just “MOTION capture”, they’re similar but different things. ^_^ I’m excited to see Ashley Johnson (Ellie’s Performance capture actress) make a cameo in the last episode. Bella did such an amazing job! The only thing I was ever disappointed with in the series so far was the last scene here was how the “baby girl” scene was adapted. In this episode, Joel comforted her OUTSIDE the steakhouse, in the game he caught her in the moment she was going berserk on David’s face and snapped her out of it. It felt significantly more impactful because Joel saw just how brutal Ellie can be but also knew he needed to comfort her and yes finally accepted her as his daughter-figure. But yes, I appreciate your comment about Ellie being able to save herself from the David situation. ❤
Her: I won’t be sitting on this couch every Monday morning in a puddle of my tears. Me: laughs in season 2 in 2025. But this episode was a god damn masterpiece. My dad’s favorite. I know some game players didn’t like how heavy handed they went with the creep factor and that he was nicer for a while before going full creep mode and I see there point, but personally I thought this episode was very well done. In my top 3 favorite episodes. This is definitely Bella’s best episode acting wise. The raw emotion and anger and fear and trauma in the last few minutes were so well done. The way she screamed when hacking at David… whoof that hit hard. Everyone says show Joel wasn’t as brutal as game Joel, but boy howdy if that’s the case he sure made up for it this epizode. As soon as we saw he was gone I was like oh he’s gonna merk all those fools. He gave me Din vibes if he had less self control this episode. Anyone else? But I was OK all the way until the end when he called Ellie baby girl. That ripped my heart right out. My only complaint is he only calls her that the once. In the game he uses it again when he takes her from the hospital.
Thank you for the analysis and the reaction. On another note, as a r*pe survivor, it pisses me off that you can't say that word. It limits our ability to honestly discuss sexual assault. That word has an emotional impact that can express how impactful such an event is that more textbook-y phrases don't. UA-cam's system for moderating/demonetizing is very stupid and heavy handed.
I genuinely felt like I was going to throw up at 6:57 whilst watching the episode on my own, and that wasn't the only time... Probably my favourite episode of the season thus far.
if your reaction is like for ellie doing what she did, i can’t wait till your reactions to the second game/show adaptation IF they follow the game’s main story points! you’re in for a ride! as for someone who’s played the games i love your reactions to this show adaptation!! 🎉
The only thing about this episode I would change is the music playing while Ellie is killing David. In the game the sound track makes it much more emotional in my opinion. You start off happy when she kills the creep but as the music continues and she just keeps smashing his face you feel bad for her. She’s a traumatized 14 year old girl who officially just lost her innocence if she hadn’t already.
A quote I love is basically "You did a bad thing, it doesn't make you a bad person." And in a world like this especially, it's so true. Joel has done MANY bad things, including killing innocent/"innocent" people. But killing for survival..or even eating others for survival..doesn't necessarily make a bad person. but doing what David did..the manipulation, the cult-tactics, the molestation and SA of women and/or young girls. THAT is a different thing.
I recommend you watch "The Last Of Us Episode 8 FULL Breakdown, Ending Explained and Easter Eggs" by Emergency Awesome on UA-cam. You'll get more insight to everything in that episode.
The phrase is: good things come in small packages. The phrase should be: *deadly* things come in small packages... and those packages are called Ellie.
The thousand yard stare Ellie had was perfect. She came back to Joel but is no longer who she was. Bella Ramsey killed it.
She definitely killed it. Twice. And with great vengeance and furious anger.
Im seriously impressed w her acting. I didn’t know she was this good. I love it
Im seriously impressed w her acting. I didn’t know she was this good. I love it
The part in the video game in the restaurant area with David where Ellie is hiding/running/trying to find a knife is fucking TERRIFYING to play through. He runs so fast and has insane hearing.
Jess talking to us during the needle parts is iconic
😂😂 I shushed her twice… I like watching needles😂😂
One of the small details I loved is that David's dinner portion is huge in comparison to everyone else's food ration
The way every woman watching this immediately got bad vibes off of David is almost impressive if it weren't so sad
Ever since Joel lost his daughter Sarah, he's had a void in his heart. Someone young, a kid, to love and care for. He was afraid to feel that love again for another person and also Ellie reminded him so much of his daughter that he didn't want to be reminded of Sarah. Now, this is the first time where he has fully accepted Ellie as his new "daughter" and he's fully embraced protecting her and caring for her like he would his own daughter. He also called Sarah "baby girl" as well, a direct parallel and sign that Ellie has become that too for him.
His behaviour towards the end really makes the little factoid of David being a *maths teacher* before the apocalypse so much worse
Dear god I didn’t even make the connection but you’re totally right.
"It's okay baby girl." Heartfelt 🥺❤️
David's right hand, Troy Baker the OG voice actor of Joel Miller in the video game. btw
Honestly, I think Joel probably has an inkling of what happened. He's seen Ellie scared, sure, but this was different. This girl was absolutely traumatized, completely terrified, trembling. Having seen the world himself already, Joel knows what was in her eyes. He knows.
He probably does but won't dare think of it cause it would fuck him up even more that he wasn't there and aaaAAAH 😭
Joel was running on pure adrenaline since the basement and whenever he let the rage fall, you could see his body swaying and his eyes closing. Even on pure adrenaline like he was, thoughts aren't clear and focused. It's more emotion and survival with emotional and physical muscle memory to get you through the crisis at hand. I don't think he thought about what Ellie had been through yet. His fevered adrenaline clouded thought was finding her and getting her back. Everything else can wait or isn't important. Notice how he sort of wandered around outside after finding the bodies. His brain wasn't allowing him to think logically because it was in the "fight" part of fight or flight. Joel would've normally systematically started checking buildings. He was dazed and angry. Once he found Ellie and they embraced, he started crashing. You can see by the way he had to lean on Ellie as they walked away. He was probably getting the shakes from the adrenaline wearing off... and then the pain and drowsiness will come back. He'll keep himself going for Ellie's sake, but he's a wreck.
I mean, she also savagely killed some one and was on her own.
He hasn't seen her under those circumstances.
I do agree that he probably has a hunch but it could easily just be the fact that she was alone and had to fight to survive.
I agree. And he had a teenage daughter himself. He definitely has a general idea of what happened. Or at least the nature of it.
@@swordmonkey6635 I agree with you. But after he recovered some he probably started to suspecf. But those were some very astute observations.
I was happy that Ellie was able to take out her attacker. But at the same time I was incredibly sad for her. Her screams throughout the entire scene were incredibly painful.
yea like there goes the child thinking ...and here comes the adult thinking , growing up so Quick , in that , you have to , learn , and adpapt to the , world now youre in xoxoxoxoxo STAY SAFE TAKE IT EASY xoxoxoxo
Video Game Joel being Ellie's first kill in this episode was great. The "baby girl" got me in the end and Bella's performance was particularly amazing this episode.
"Joel called her babygirl, it's the first time he let himself love her" is a comment that stood out to me from another video.
Edit: I shudder to Imagine if Joel had made it In time, when it comes to Ellie he does not fuck around and his ruthlessness and aggression is glimpsed again briefly, and I love his dark side lmao.
His dark side is horrible, that scene of him torturing those guys was not about protecting Ellie at all... it was implicit before, that and him suffering from anxiety and depression which makes everything worse. At this point Ellie is the only reason he haven't completely lost it.
But he's yet to complete his anti-hero cycle, but I'm not spoiling anything.
In the game he shows up while she's hacking David up.
@@brianwilson4724 I was wondering why they changed that, but then it occured to me that Joel in the show has very much been about preserving her childlike innocence and if he'd seen that it might've broken him as he'd have taken it as a major failure. It works in the context of the show where in the same episode we see both characters at their darkest but neither has to bear witness to it.
@@JulioLeonFandinho I agree and disagree with you (respectfully). He probably could have found a different way to get the information out of those men but at the same time, in his head he needs to find Ellie as quickly as possible before she is killed or tortured then killed. Due to his past experience he deduced these men a raiders because of them attacking them without provocation. Lastly he is forced by circumstance to kill them. If he left them there, they would eventually get out of the restraints and warn there friends and keep coming after them.
@@Dilligff apparently it was both letting Ellie be the one to survive on her own and seeing the set on fire IRL made Neil slightly uncomfortable about having them in there longer then they needed to be
"why'd he say it like that?"
If Bella Ramsey doesn't get a Best Actress Emmy for her performance, then there's something wrong with that award system.
Bella Ramsey Will win a best actress Emmy 🌟
This is the heart of the original. Such a perfect adaptation. I believe years from now, this will be considered a master class in how the right way to adapt a video game should be done. Great direction, great acting and great writing (Keeping the great writing from the game). I wouldn't change a single thing they've done... not a single thing. People complain about needing more infected. Nah... I agree with what they've done. The infected are the setting. The horrible humans are the antagonists.
The use of the infected have been brilliant. They mentioned in the podcast that scenes where there were infected they cut out generally because when the infected are around the focus is on them and it should be. The infected shouldn't be extras but when they are around they are the main threat.
Like in this episode there are meant to be infected chasing ellie and david in the forest but for the rest of the episode it would make you think "well when are they going to show up again" if theres a pack of them roaming the forest rather than the present story with david
watch out for offended gamers (tm) who just like shooting zombies and will tell you that you're completely wrong (very media literate people)
I think theyve done as good of a job as can be with the show. Idk if its really quite GoT or Breaking Bad level though as it seems a bit all over the place. Almost like each episode feels a bit disconnected or standalone. Theyre all entertaining for sure and the acting has been top notch but cant help but think if skipped almost any given episode it really wouldnt be too hard to follow along the next
Bella’s acting was so great. Her screams broke my heart. Then that ending scene with her and Joel just had me crying 😭❤️
1) I love your reactions and how genuine they are
2) just felt like mentioning that HBO released a making of clip and Pedro explains how he calls Bella “bellie” and says “she’s my blessing and I love her” and I think everyone deserves to cry like I did hearing that !😃😃
They’re super close in real life and have such a beautiful relationship which imo helps them make their portrayal of Joel and Ellie even more realistic
"I got you baby girl" That was it, thats all that needed to be said. The most important line in the series so far. Pedro is now Papi Pascal
Seriously freaking good acting from Bella, Pedro and the guy playing David. Amazingly good, honestly. The entire series, really, is about how the REAL monsters are not the infected, but just "people"... and nothing drives that point home more than this episode.
I freaking love that Ellie saved herself physically but that Joel was there to save her emotionally. such a fantastic episode and moment for our main characters. Bella Ramsey absolutely killed this performance! Pedro Pascal too! ❤
As someone who used to us “baby girl” hearing Joel use for Ellie was heartwarming and makes me glad they have each other.
Like in the game "BABY GIRL" is the most powerful line of this incredible story
I too am saddened we only have one episode left of the season as I've been most enjoying sharing the show with you, Jess. But then again, as you pointed out, not spending Monday mornings in a puddle of tears because of the show is not the worst thing in the world.
James was played by Troy baker who voiced and did motion capture for Joel in the game.
Gosh, Bella's acting in this episode was astounding. And the story, it's deep and dark... But good. As an older brother with a younger sister, who acts just like Ellie... I was so agitated at David by the end, so angry, lol. He did a great job too. Also, rip Joel's voice actor, ironic that Ellie deals the blow, lol
I was thinking that too. The Joel’s voice actor thing.
Your ability to breakdown an episode on the fly with such depth of thought is most impressive. Your reactions are the best. ❤
Bella has just been on fire the last 2 weeks in particular with their acting chops. And call me crazy but i do believe they'll finish a hat trick and be equally phenomenal on the finale next week. I might be afraid of a fair many things but nothing scares me more than being on the wrong side of an Ellie game or show.
Bella is only one person, no need to refer to get in the plural.
@@brianwilson4724 Ohh thank you!! SInce we're educating one another They and Them have been used for centuries to describe a single person. More fun fact people use they and them to describe a single person multiple times in conversation ALL the time and dont even realize it. Glad we could talk. XOXO
@@kacektv9405 where has they and them been used for centuries?? Any examples of it? Or just like all libtards you spit out nonsense statements, but 10/10 times cannot back it up.
@@kacektv9405 it's worth pointing out bella is fine with any pronouns - he/she/they, etc, so you can refer to him with any pronouns - they just don't like to be specifically gendered.
@@leilanyx Very true just have alot of NB friends so I do tend to just instinctively default to they and them in conversation so much. :D
Such a great episode. Probably the best episode yet. Also, incredibly faithful to the game. The actor who played David was incredible. One of the best performances we've seen in the show. Fun fact; David's right hand man, James, was played by Troy Baker. He's the guy who played Joel in the video game.
i love the way this episode brought out bella’s acting, and the way it shows how ellie is able to do so much herself.
ARBYS
WE GOT THE MEATS
Omg I adore the fact that she counted the 10 seconds lol
Joel's full Dad Power is activated.
Given his tendencies the fact that he was a Teacher, MAX CREEP FACTOR
Fun fact: David's second hand man James is Troy Baker the man who voices Joel and motion capture in the games.
Heehee, in a way, Ellie killed "Joel"
@@lalalalisa41 true
@@lalalalisa41yeah Ellie kills Troy Baker 😂
Troy Baker, the actor who voiced Joel in the video game, played James (David's 2nd).
It's a win when no one dies in the show that you're emotionally attached to lol not counting James who is the voice of Joel in the games. If anyone ever doubted Bella could pull off the killer side of Ellie displayed in the games I present to you episode 8
David really is the most disgusting character in the game and the show. Almost every other character we meet has at least some shades of gray to their character. There really aren't any true bad guys or good guys for that matter. Except David. He's truly a monster. The way he uses religion to dominate and control his people. The way he manipulates people's insecurities to make them feel powerless and make them feel like they have to rely on him completely. The out of control ego and God complex. He's horrifying. Notice how when he's talking to Ellie he tells her that without him she's truly alone. I think he picks up on how ending up alone is one of her greatest fears and tries to use it against her by saying only he can fix that. He wants to make her dependent on him. Classic cult leader stuff. He's so disgusting.
I agree. Although I do applaud how they managed to give his side a bit of moral ground.
@@number1fool how so?
@@pepe-silvia little ways. They couldn’t do it too much bc he’s still a monster- but I felt like making the guy joel killed a father with a grieving daughter and cannibalism being a means to survive and something only a select few know about rather than something that they all just enjoy doing. In the game it felt like his entire crew was evil and he was the worst of them.
While I do agree David's the worst, I also think there's a shade of gray (or a shade of slightly-different-blackness) since, for better or worse (better *and* worse), he's providing some non-zero degree of "care" for children, here and in the game, where he tells a woman to take the children to shelter to protect them from possible infection from Ellie running around. The show version seems to make him a hair worse depicting the nature of that "care".
Wouldn't consider it much of any redemption of course, but I think it is a nuance in the different varieties of evil, a nuance that I liked, contra for ex. hunters who will just out and out kill kids by all we can surmise.
SPOILER !!!!!!!!
I would say Isaac (WLF Leader) is on the same level of disgusting people
Late to the game and catching up with these reactions, some of the best Ive seen btw. What I love with this show is how past lines resonate strongly with me as I watch.
"I am the bad guy, because I did a bad guy thing. But you get it, you may not be her father but you were someones." - Henry
"Men like us are put here for a reason, we have a job to do and god help any motherfraker who gets in our way" -Bill
"Save who you can save." -Tess
"You keep going for family." -Joel
Trauma has made Joels defense mechanism into that dissociative survivor mode. Blank look, slow monotone speech. All he can focus on in those moments is what needs done to keep family safe. No matter the cost, he can't fail again.
Made it through with dry eyes proud of you on that. James (Troy Baker aka Video Game Joel) did a damn good job with his part. David's actor did a hell of a job getting you to feel uneasy and hate him.
Ellie kills Troy Baker 😂
3:23 Ellie had the horse to drag Joel back on the sleeping bag, they are on foot.
They also show the makeshift sled on the floor, behind the horse.
i just cant get my head around that if you are a cannibal, why do you trow horsemeat away? they shot ellies horse and just stashed it in the barn to rot.
If you didn’t know: James, David’s right hand, in the actor who plays Joel in the videogame.
Fun Fact: The guy who plays James (David's second man) is Troy Baker the actor who plays Joel in the game
That interrogation scene is perfect illustration of wounded animal cornered is the most dangerous. Joel is still weak, he is scared to death for Ellie. The papa bear has been roused from sleep and he ain't fucking around.
Your final analysis is so so spot on and you mentioned a lot of things they talked about in the podcast
Pedro Pascal is killing it on the small screen, Mando and Joel and he's nailed it both times, you've got to give credit to the man.
07:05 so…remember right at the start of the episode where David said the weather was too cold to bury Alec and they’d do it in the spring?
Yeah, he *absolutely* fed that kid her own father
I honestly thought they were gonna skip the cannibalism or the statutory abuse parts but I'm so happy they carried it out like it originally happened. It made the episode an edge-of-the-seat moment all throughout.
This episode is intense and there isn’t a Clicker in sight. Most episodes are that way and I love it. David is such a creepy, disgusting, vile human. He’s the anti Joel in every way. Imho this was a 10/10 episode
If people always use the lack of infected in the show it's because they don't understand a game and a show it's two different thing, they are doing an amazing job since episode 1 but people cry for many reasons, and fuck yeah David is so terrifying, I am a 26 years old man and I was so unconfortable just by listening to him, can't imagine a 14 years old girl fear. When I think he was a math teacher for kids, not surprising pedophiles are often doing job including children.
When he said baby girl, I BAWLED
this episode made every inch of my body tense up. ellie’s screams 😢 terrifying. the acting on this show is phenomenal.
THANK YOU. When Ellie is stabbing him I wanted nothing more to pull her off of him. So many people cheered for it. All I could think of was how that was the end of the who she was and how she'd now have to carry the reality of that moment with her for the rest of her life. It needed to be done - but jesus not by a fourteen year old girl. Proud of her but the fact that she kept going - that's some real trauma.
This guy is definitely scarier than a silly fungus zombie. He's f@$king terrifying.
Sadly, think about it, before the world fell apart, David was a teacher. He spent so much time with kids. I'm sure he had his students who got "special attention" from teacher. [creeps me out to even mention it]
I found it interesting when he was hurting Ellie and you were saying "I know I know" to her, which is very much what Joel had said to Sarah the last time he used the words "Baby girl" on screen. I wouldn't notice it so much, except I already knew the Baby girl line was coming.
I was suspicious of the meat before anything was said about it.
I am so happy Troy Baker (the real Joel) did such a good job as James. I have to note that Troy has done “PERFORMANCE capture” (Voice, Acting and Motiom) for Joel and not just “MOTION capture”, they’re similar but different things. ^_^ I’m excited to see Ashley Johnson (Ellie’s Performance capture actress) make a cameo in the last episode. Bella did such an amazing job! The only thing I was ever disappointed with in the series so far was the last scene here was how the “baby girl” scene was adapted. In this episode, Joel comforted her OUTSIDE the steakhouse, in the game he caught her in the moment she was going berserk on David’s face and snapped her out of it. It felt significantly more impactful because Joel saw just how brutal Ellie can be but also knew he needed to comfort her and yes finally accepted her as his daughter-figure. But yes, I appreciate your comment about Ellie being able to save herself from the David situation. ❤
Her: I won’t be sitting on this couch every Monday morning in a puddle of my tears. Me: laughs in season 2 in 2025. But this episode was a god damn masterpiece. My dad’s favorite. I know some game players didn’t like how heavy handed they went with the creep factor and that he was nicer for a while before going full creep mode and I see there point, but personally I thought this episode was very well done. In my top 3 favorite episodes. This is definitely Bella’s best episode acting wise. The raw emotion and anger and fear and trauma in the last few minutes were so well done. The way she screamed when hacking at David… whoof that hit hard. Everyone says show Joel wasn’t as brutal as game Joel, but boy howdy if that’s the case he sure made up for it this epizode. As soon as we saw he was gone I was like oh he’s gonna merk all those fools. He gave me Din vibes if he had less self control this episode. Anyone else? But I was OK all the way until the end when he called Ellie baby girl. That ripped my heart right out. My only complaint is he only calls her that the once. In the game he uses it again when he takes her from the hospital.
Joel was looking for blood this episode 😳
Phenomenal acting from the cast here
Hate is an emotion too. And they pushed that button with a dam hammer
As I told my husband, when the zombie apocalypse happens I won't be scared of the zombies, I'll be more terrified of the people.
Well... We do not need any apocalypse. People are already terrifying in today's world... Just read the news ☹
@@zyxony Fair, very fair. I already do avoid people. I'm prepped.
Me too 😢😮
Thank you for the analysis and the reaction. On another note, as a r*pe survivor, it pisses me off that you can't say that word. It limits our ability to honestly discuss sexual assault. That word has an emotional impact that can express how impactful such an event is that more textbook-y phrases don't. UA-cam's system for moderating/demonetizing is very stupid and heavy handed.
Good reaction. You picked up on the cues very quickly and you used Joel's line, "I know, I know, I know ".
That "Baby Girl" line......
Great reactions as always. 👏
7:04 You figured it out early!
Terminus II: Electric Boogaloo. No spoilers but that dude Elie chopped is Joel in the game.
FYI, the “buddy boy” actor plays Joel in the game.
The man who played James (Troy Baker) played Joel in the game
Joel calling Ellie baby girl 🥺
The character of David is more horrific than the Cordyceps.
Yeaaah creppy 🙀
I genuinely felt like I was going to throw up at 6:57 whilst watching the episode on my own, and that wasn't the only time... Probably my favourite episode of the season thus far.
BTW the actor who played James is the actual actor who played Joel in the game.
Like as person who play the game I can heard Joel voice in here .
The lesson to take away is never give medicine to strangers, or lots of you will die.
Great reaction
Brutal episode. Bella wow
Even if ellie had the horse drag joel, she still had to get his butt down the basement stairs and onto the mattress.
I respect her, she is one of the few women that can off someone that’s trying to r them
Crazy cult leader called David. First thing that popped into my mind is David Koresh the branch Davidians cult leader.
i was waiting for it lol
That dude was evil in all aspects. Thanks for the reaction.
It's OK I believe him is the most gangster shit lol.
if your reaction is like for ellie doing what she did, i can’t wait till your reactions to the second game/show adaptation IF they follow the game’s main story points! you’re in for a ride! as for someone who’s played the games i love your reactions to this show adaptation!! 🎉
Amazing
The only thing about this episode I would change is the music playing while Ellie is killing David. In the game the sound track makes it much more emotional in my opinion. You start off happy when she kills the creep but as the music continues and she just keeps smashing his face you feel bad for her. She’s a traumatized 14 year old girl who officially just lost her innocence if she hadn’t already.
Yeah , Ellie don't have innocence but the future new Ellie the last of us part 2 it's a wolf brutal 😱
The red viper reunited with lady Mormont
Brutal joel, is DAD joel. he will not let this happen again, never.
A lot of people say Joel isn't a good person - I disagree; he is a human living in a terrible world
A quote I love is basically "You did a bad thing, it doesn't make you a bad person." And in a world like this especially, it's so true. Joel has done MANY bad things, including killing innocent/"innocent" people. But killing for survival..or even eating others for survival..doesn't necessarily make a bad person. but doing what David did..the manipulation, the cult-tactics, the molestation and SA of women and/or young girls. THAT is a different thing.
Hey girl! Ready for your reaction.
Callus was shot by original Joel 😳🙆
Edit: Nm. I thought that was James but apparently not.
James in this episode is the Voice Actor of the OG Joel from the game 🤣
10:13 👀😬😬
If you know you know
Ellie it's sooo brutal 😱 because new Ellie the last of us part 2 🌟
I recommend you watch "The Last Of Us Episode 8 FULL Breakdown, Ending Explained and Easter Eggs" by Emergency Awesome on UA-cam. You'll get more insight to everything in that episode.
"Standard Bible Stuff" = Red Flag.
10:10 HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Oh this is gold
Squeeze a trigger (Ellie taking down the deer) don't pull or jerk...
Rip headphone users 😅
I was distracted the whole video by that shirt you’re wearing 😭 you look way too good 😌
The title should have been called:
"Here There Be Monsters"!
17:38 Two hits to kill him. The rest was a massive psychotic break.
The phrase is: good things come in small packages.
The phrase should be: *deadly* things come in small packages... and those packages are called Ellie.