Best Ever Analogue Delay? [Boss DM-101, Carbon Copy, Suhr Discovery plus DD-200 & TimeLine]
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Boss's analogue mega machine has changed the game. But do you want to play?
Welcome to the show! “Harumph!”, we hear you cry. “Another mega delay, really?!” Well, this one is genuinely different, using eight BBD chips to create a true stereo, programmable, MIDI-enabled ANALOGUE delay. This hasn’t been done before with this feature set, in this format.
Now, there are plenty of demos of the DM-101 already out there on the ‘Toob, but we’re hoping to add some more useful questions to the mix. Hopefully those questions will, ahem, echo the main questions that you may have…
Please enjoy the show.
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Pedals & stuff used in today’s episode
• The Gigrig Three2One
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• Sonic Research ST-200 Turbo Tuner
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• ZVEX Box of Rock
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• Latent Lemon Audio Hurts
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• MXR Carbon Copy
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• Boss DD-200
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• Suhr Discovery
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• Boss DM-101
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• Strymon Timeline
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• Kingsley Maiden D
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• TheGigRig G3
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Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
1:40 Welcome and hello
2:40 Why is the DM-101 a big deal?
3:27 Today’s questions & plan
6:10 Why is analogue delay so great?
7:12 Tape emulation vs analogue delay
10:30 Things to try - Slapback
11:50 Things to try - Doubling Delay
13:20 Things to try - Mick’s 335ms
15:40 Things to try - Tap A Quarter Note
19:30 Getting into the DM-101
20:48 Boss DM-2 sounds?
23:45 Adding modulation
25:55 MXR Carbon Copy comparison
28:36 DD-200 analogue mode comparison
30:45 Multi-head mode
33:30 Some other modes
36:40 Doubling & Delay, stereo
44:23 Suhr Discovery thoughts
53:45 Presets?
56:10 Stumble on an awesome sound
58:05 Replace your big digital delay?
1:01:00 Setting up four presets for Dan
1:07:35 A couple of quibbles?
1:08:40 Thoughts & conclusions
Guitars in this video
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Amps in this video
• Mesa/Boogie 50/50 Stereo Power Amp (fed with the Kingsley pres)
• Zilla Custom 112 cabs with WGS 12L speakers
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"dd200, thats the one I would have, if I could only have 1 and was on a sensible budget" Would love you guys to do a show with that mantra for everything else on your pedal board (and amp/power amp, cab)
The comments on the boss dd-200 sold me. Thanks very much you guys for helping an old guy out i enjoy your
Videos and the expertise.
This is classic TPS. I love all of the new directions over the past few years but this episode felt like home.
Oh my! In headphones this is unreal! You guys can do stereo and w/d/w like no one else. Great TPS! We truly live in the golden guitar age. Your audio on TPS has become extremely good(kudos Mick!)
Boss is killing it with these modern reinterpretations of their classics. When are we getting the Waza'd BF-2 Flanger!?
Ever try the Hi-Band Flanger?
@@evanward4303 I seem to have missed that one. I'll put it on my radar
@@evanward4303 I have. Nice but not a patch on the BF-2. I would love a BF-2w.
I agree, would love a waza bf2
I keep dreaming of that too with subtractive and additive modes
Woahhh. Within the first 5 minutes, you lay out pretty much all the essential/practical questions about delay (and THAT sound) that I've had in my head for ages. And I'm old ;) Thanks chaps. As you were :)
Amazing and great playing! That Boss Doubling+Delay is my fav of the day! That's fantastic and huge sounding! Great job fellas!
I’ve been a Suhr Discovery owner since day one and I love it! That said, this has got some great sounds and features! Great playing as always, gents!
Definitely a most comprehensive glorious analog delay … that will become one of those legendary classics !
I kept refreshing, and was starting to get worried. Then boom! Echo! My favorite effect!
I watched a lot of dm 101 vids and finally got mine today. Its just perfect for me. So flexibel, so much fidelity. Cant wait to dig deeper, make presets and find new favourites
I think the word you would describe the DM-101, where Dan gets lost in the playing, is... MUSICAL. The DM-101 (especially in stereo) is just simply a beautiful, musical analog delay. Cant wait to get one!
I have been WAITING for this episode ever since I saw the reveal I knew you guys would be drooling too. Great video, lads.
Love everything about this pedal. Going to have to bump it to the top of the acquisition list.
Great show again. Most of the tips on setting delays were not new to me, but this serves as a great reference for when I will program my collider next time. Thanks again!
I'm barely halfway through the video but wow, Red is sounding so good today. Dan clearly inspired
Another awesome show! I appreciate that trick of lowering the volume as the delay gets longer.
Thanks for this post guys. Also, thanks for the two super t-shirts I just got from your store!
It's a rare thing when watching a video I can connect to the gear. This is the first analogue delay that's done that since the Carbon Copy nearly a decade ago. I've watched multiple demos of the DM-101 loving it every time, but waiting to hear someone make it oscillate, finally! TPS doesn't let you down. The second you hit the multi-head with a bit of modulation I nearly wept. I just wish I had a reason (already have 3 delays), and space, and switching (and $800 CAD) to justify it at the minute. If I were to have one delay it's this. Incredible pedal.
I really like the Boss DD200. It's got everything I need in a small footprint, great sounds, presets, screen, great price etc.... Killer delay!
Same. My first and only delay. Killer. ”Might” want a second delay one day, but man isn’t it capable!
@@benjaminkoskinen5835 No ping pong / panning delay though, right?
@@gdrdm unfortunaly no, but in stereo it is moving tho in a very random pattern from left to right and right to left.
@@benjaminkoskinen5835 I'd be happy to have it as a subsetting within Pattern mode. The most obvious solution would be to have Pattern 1 be a simple ping pong... this could be achieved easily with a firmware update, I imagine. Sacrificing one excentric pattern wouldn't be too controversial.
Delay is foundational to ALL time-based and most modulation effects, _not just echo!!_
"Everything I need" starts with two delay units at the bare minimum = one for slap and the other for repeats
then if possible a third to do reverse independent of both, a fourth for looping, a fifth for chorus, a sixth for flanging etc
Great episode! I hope one day you all will take another look at the Nemesis delay....I know it's not an analog delay but its truly great IMO
Thanks for sharing! Forgot how great the carbon copy sounds … love you guys
Watching, hearing Dan ride a wash of delay, is a joy to watch/ hear, luvely
I've been waiting for this. Thanks 👍
Great episode, guys. Loved it! Long live delay. Although, I've always wondered if we shouldn't be calling it repeat.
Excellent episode. It did not disappoint.
Since I see these two M&D in the intro Jam i feel fine and peace and once and for all I like it!
God bless the pedal show!
I guess nobody ever sent you a wampler metaverse because you you have never had it on your show and it's a great delay. I have the Halo and the belle epoche deluxe and you guys seem to love them but IMO the metaverse is as good or better, I have em all and the wampler is definitely up with them. Why no love for the metaverse from the "sound gurus"?
Wow, the explanation of why Dan loves Analog delay is why I never had a delay on my pedal board until I found the MXR Carbon Copy Delay. Love the sounds from the new Boss Delay Machine but a bit outta my price range. thanks for the Vid. Cheers.
Thanks for an amazing video. The DM-101 is something special.
Kingsley pedal + power amp = some of the best "amps" I have ever heard. Such a great platform.
Great show leg ends! Boss really nailed it with the 200 series, for those of us who baulk at a scren and deep dive menus. I bought the MD200 for the same reasons, and I think I'll be looking at a DD200 in the future too. The DM-101 has an even simpler UI, but I'm with Mick on the versatility and comparable sounds available in the DD200 (at half the price!) My goto live delay has been the Carbon Copy for many years, but I've just swapped that out for a Flashback2 + MXR Tap (linked with a TRS cable) to get the tap functionality along with mental MASH features of the main pedal footswitch - a lot of fun!
Holiday weekend here in the US. Seeing Matchbox 20 tomorrow and Brad Paisley on Tuesday. Finally got to watch this. I love delays almost as much as I love you guys. Great episode. The Boss sounds boss. Tough to beat a Timeline but like you said, just have them both or all on your board. Cheers my friends. ❤
Kudos to Boss for doing this. What an epic undertaking that they totally didn't have to do.. Bravo..
For me, personally, the Jacques Prisoner.
The sweetest most organic sounding analog delay I have ever laid my ears on.
Great show, gents. Happy weekend all! 🤙🎸🎶
A max of 1/3 second in mono isn't anywhere near this, though. To get longer times the sound will have to change some (or a lot), just the nature of the BBD beast.
Just got the DM-101. Can’t play with it until Monday - can’t wait. Dan is right about the special something about the DM-2. I had one when it first came out and made demo cassettes with it that still stand the test of time! Bravo, Boss! Great show guys!
@neonthunderbird Andertons in UK. They’re spot on with their delivery and estimates when they get stock in.
Such beautiful playing, Dan!
Really interesting thanks again TPS! On my gigging board I moved out the Timeline for a DD200 several years ago & never looked back. Easier to use, smaller, does what I need, sounds great but for home use I got lost in the Foxgear Echosex Baby… highly under appreciated & circa £100 there’s some great stuff out there, happy days
Great show as usual chaps. The Maxon AD-900 remains my favourite ever delay pedal. 3 knobs are all I need...just like Phillip Schofield...
I love a great tps delay episode. Nice one legends...... However at around 50 minutes in I first noticed Dan's watch had slipped round then I noticed Mick's had too and I wanted to reach in and fix them!! Lol then I remembered the OCD pedal and realised my next pedal purchase!
A gift that keeps on giving is effects loop in my memory man. Phaser is probably my go-to but so many things you can try. The only time Ive had noise compliments from my neighbors! Would love to see your takes on that.
DAN! That opening bit was TASTY! Well done sir. That DM-101 is quite the piece of kit.
Cheers mate, some days a diamond 🤓🙏
You guys are amazing!👍🏼
I have a couple of cheap delays one digital one analog. I have struggled with both, apart from creating unmusical chaos, thus have never used them to much degree. I got a lot of this vid, and turning the mix down will be one of the first things I try. Also having a digital readout of delay time would probably help alot, as my ear for it does not seem to be succeeding. Well done once again, great , informative and inspiring vid.
Cheers guys, super interesting. For my tastes it didn't blow me away which I rather thought it would. A simple analogue character delay paired with a digital will do nicely.
Boss has really been nailing all their new pedals, such as the space echo pedals, the digital ones and now the DM-101, pretty well the ultimate delay pedal. I'm not sure which I'd want between the Suhr and the Boss. They're both great in their own ways.
My god when I hear Dan explain about how it’s a tough task to get long delay time on an analogue echo its amazing,there is so much knowledge in his noggin you can see it he scans through when he is explaining, it fair play to mick he is no theoretical slouch either………god I love this show……when I just want to geek out on great gear amps axes there is no other channel that comes close, these guys have taken what was once a niche subject and made it totally cool, when I have not had my guitar out in a while you can bet I will after watching mick and Dan.Thanks guys I live on my own which at times is a lonely existence but after watching you i feel very firmly part of the TPS community and then my loneliness just disappears, THANKYOU WITH ALL MY HEART.
If you think these guys know their stuff then avoid Dan Worrall's channel or your head may explode
The Boss DM-101 absolutely stole the show sound wise for me, amazing pedal and a terrific TPS episode 😄
The DM-101 is definitely going to be my next pedal purchase. When i saw the release and realized what it was i was overwhelmed with joy. It might be the perfect delay for my tastes. I think Boss made something truly remarkable.
I have bought one and love it! I would say if you like the Boss DM-2, you will be very happy with the DM-101
Most excellent noises emanating from Dan this morning
The intro alone got the thumbs up! Great job Dan!!
Ah, cheers Phil 🙏
Lovely show. Delay is my favorite time effect. I know you can’t show all, but I know you also love the Analogman ARDX20. They’re so hard to get though. Thanks!
They are never in stock though.
Yeah,they should've had one in this video
It was too dark for me in a band context. I find players always want dark delays. At home they’re great. But, on a loud boomy stage they get lost in the mix…
Happy for the delay episode, as always! This is a great piece of engineering, well done Boss.
I think that it would've been awesome if you put the Pigtronix Echolution 2 deluxe through its paces, since it is a perfect digital delay that recreates analog and tape sound, and has an adjustable filter frequencies in terms of tone, so it can basically match the character of any analog delay I've put it against. Simon Jarret and Dan both love it, I hope to see it a little bit more in a show, it is a well underrated pedal, for sure.
It is far better than DD200 and Timeline for those type of sounds, guaranteed.
You’re adjusting filter frequency in the app, I assume.
I agree the core ‘tone’ of the E2 that is preferable to the Timeline or DD-500 (don’t own the 200) for analog stuff.
@@Telorchid Hey! You can actually do it in the pedal as a secondary control, and that is the secondary control I use the most, definitely. You simultaneously press the two buttons under the mod SPEED knob control (the upper ones, on the right and left side of the TRAILS little led screen), and than the SPEED knob becomes the frequency cutoff control for default, analog and tape filters, depending on what you are using at the moment, in that particular preset. So it is adjustable per preset which is great.
Beyond that, in the app there is a global frequency control which you can use to globally brighten or darken the delay repeats on all the presets. I am sure you can do that on the pedal itself too, but you do not really need it since it is a set and forget type of control, I think.
Yeah, to me, Echolution does that trick for some reason. You can easily coax Memory Man or Carbon Copy out of it. I've had those and as terrific as they are, Echolution definitely does that and then some more, in my experience, at least. The only thing that it cant do is the sound of the preamp of the memory man, which is, let's be honest, easily achievable with the boost or overdrive before or after the delay pedal, which we all use anyway.
keep rocking :)
@@vladimirpavlovic9488 I have had an Echolution 2 from the very first batch and didn't know about any filter adjustments beyond the global. I can't actually access the secondary function for filters, as I only have a Standard and a Filter Pro. Looks like you need the Ultra Pro or Deluxe to change the filter onboard the pedal directly. TBH I'm perfectly content setting the global to max and using low pass when I want something a little darker.
Schwang on.
Man, that pedal's doing the rounds on UA-cam!!!! Sounds like everything I loved about my Deluxe Memory Boy. (which is waay cheaper, but with less stuff, obviously) Will absolutely have to try! On a side note, having not tried it at all, I'd enjoy a dual analog/digital delay. Like a Timeline with proper bucket brigade chips. Best of both world if you want one pedal that does it all. But for my taste, I'd choose analog.
I was waiting for this one
A couple months back, I bought a vintage Ibanez ad80. It was my dream delay ever since I first saw you guys back when you were still posting on thegigrig. You guys featured that delay in a few videos and started my love of all delay, but especially analog delay. Now, I can’t imagine playing a gig without an analog delay.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR DIGITAL EMULATIONS!
It really just sounds just sooooooo good.
Great video as always, I would've liked to have seen a Source Audio Collider that you guys keep raving about on the board to see how it measured up against the others.
Hi Dan and Mike , I think a dual between this Boss DM-101 Delay Machine and the new Boss SDE-3000D Dual Digital Delay Would make a very interesting cool Pedal Show review run through !
I am definitely one of those people who had always disdained analogue delay as being muddy, and the sound of digital delay has always been a key part of my sound, but as I got older, I began to appreciate analogue delay a lot more. Although you can program a digital unit to emulate the analogue sound very well, there's still a charm to the analogue hardware that digital just doesn't have, and because of that, I like having the option to go fully analogue, if I want to.
Thank you as always, absolutely stunning! 👏
Also… adequate beverage deliverer 😂
Cracking show, gents. Delay is my second favourite of all effects, with flanger being first.
The original DM-2 was the first ever Boss pedal I owned. Bought by my then gf. Long since sold - silly me - but I bought the DM-2w as a worthy replacement. Supplemented by the Rubberneck and the good old El Capistan. Hoping to add a digital at some time soon, so I cover all bases.
Who’d have ever thunk that there’d be an option paralysis, stereo analogue delay with MIDI…? DM-101 is epic! I literally ordered an El Cap V2 the day before the 101 was released, but, l don’t think I regret it after seeing this comparison. The Low End Contour and MIDI controllable Sound on Sound looper on the El Cap still sets it apart (for me)
That thing sounds really good!
Trying to learn more about delay so great show
Perturbed by the lack of 2 O`Clock knob placement on the DM close up 😂
D&M - the bit about how to USE the delays adds real value. Now I'll have to go watch the Funk video... You may have stumbled on to something that differentiates your new product demo from the others. Much like "Andy's" song lessons back in the day of PGS. Well done Lads! 😁
That A9/F chord Dan played in the intro was dreamy :D
On the Suhr you can hold down the tap & it turns the switches into up/down scrolling for presets. It will also send pc commands to other midi devices.
Great episode. I am constantly surprised by not seeing the Seymour Duncan Vapour Trail deluxe in the mix with other analogue delays. With its presets and effect loop providing the potential to add any other pedal to affect the repeats it is so so so good but doesn’t seem to get the love.
Boss really knocked this out of the park. Wish it wasn't so expensive. I'd buy one immediately.
Great show, this DM-101 is a game changer for analog delay! I'm more into clean/hi-fi repeats so i swapped my DOD Rubberneck for a DD-200 and it works great for me. But i'm thinking about trying the Strymon Volante since i ended up using "Drum"-mode on the DD-200 most of the time.
The echorec/drum sound has long been my favorite delay style, can't go wrong with the catalinbread echorec if looking for something cheaper than the volante or boonar
@@benjaminfowler4513 a friend has the catalinbread but it has no tap tempo and no EXP which are features i'm very used to. The DD-200 does a great job so i'm not in a hurry, i will just save a little and get the Volante because that seems like an actual upgrade with it's features and user interface.
they’ve done the Delay Machine and the Space Echo, let’s hope they do a riff on the CE-1 in the future. That would sell, no doubt.
Hopefully. Mind you the CE-2W isn't that bad. I would love to see a Roland SBF-325 Stereo Flanger more personally.
in the mean time, warm audio does one :)
I have no doubt the CE-1 is coming.
Rumor is a CE-101 or similar mod device is on the way.
@@Telorchidcombine it with the old Jet Phaser
Got my first analog delay last week, a carbon copy. First I was not too impressed, but once I got the modulation dialed in, im completely in the Dan zone. Its unbelieveable. Got my stomp set up Andy Timmons style with a expression pedal witch sound really good. But the analog inspires in a whole different way. Good show
Played a whole rehearsal 1,5 hour with the about 330ms as Mick talked about and it did fit all songs but 2. So impressed
BTW one of the songs was shut up and dance, and for me atleast it allmost impossible to dialed carbon copy in to that song. Need clean repeats in the right ms.
I use a DM-101 :) bottom line. It’s like having a Boss Dm-2 on steroids!!!! I got excited and pre-ordered! I just love it’s sound! Nicely tucks in behind the main guitar :) I’ve always favoured a darker delay tone, especially when playing live! But saying that, I also love digital! DD200 and DD500 are great
Much love to the Daring Duo of Delay for this excellent demo and instructional video! Definitely a highlight on your channel. But come on, let‘s not speak of „hard off“ as you did towards the end. For me, this pedal is a big „hard on“. ;-) Now if I could only justify getting one to sit next to my Del-Verb or my vintage 80s DMM… Hmmm….
Thanks boys I got a 101 on order and waiting is the hardest part!
Man, it kind of does remind you though that Boss really are the kings of the 'pedalboard basics' - they might not always be the cheapest, (especially now with things like the JHS 3-Series, the CB series and Fundamentals series but they'll always give you the result you're looking for. Personally I think if I was going to buy a delay today, it would be one of the newer Space Echoes, but the DM101 looks really cool and I'm sure we'll see it on a tonne of boards.
Woah amazing intro tones today
The berhinger vintage delay is an exact clone of the boss analog delay if you want a $30 option. They sound exactly the same side by side
I have a truly huge number of delay pedals, like almost embarrassingly large, and I’ve never heard a better one than the blue SIB Echodrive. I’d be really interested in Dan and Mick getting their hands on one of those and checking it out.
well this sounds incredible
It’s a delay show. Count me in! And a box of rock too!
Awesome intro Dan 👏
The cup is awesome it’s like a reverse Guinness 🤘🏻
Woah! That doubling delay around 38:00 was 🤤
Played one of these on saturday. First delay i've ever played where I would exchange an entire guitar for it
Great show gents. Diamond Memory Lane 2 will always be the king to me.
Isn’t it amazing how short of a time bucket brigade tech was state of the art (‘77-‘83?) before digital pedals came in, yet here we guitar players are still needing it.
On another note, how well did Boss do on the DD-2 right out of the gate, still arguably as good of a digital delay as there ever was!
Yes, it is interesting how people discovered the lasting value of tube amps, analog guitar pedals, and analog synthesizers.
A lot of the best-built and best sounding stuff peaked in late '70s - ironically, they were squeezing every ounce of fidelity out of analog to sound "as close to digital" (so they thought) as they could, and ended up sounding better than digital did in it's first few decades.
...and some direct-to-disc recordings going back to the 1930s are mindblowingly hi-fi. The first couple decades of transistors didn't sound so hot, either. Whatever initially "replaces" the prior tech (tech that is at it's height just before the new thing arrives) instead takes decades to surpass in overall quality.
Sometimes it never surpasses the "old tech", because in the end _things are what they are,_ and emulation/imitation isn't a true genesis.
This must be the quickest you’ve done a video of a new pedal!
Depends how long they've had it 🤫 lol
Nice of Dan to play the chords of The Tourist from OK Computer, my fave track from that album 👍
Sold the Timeline and got the DD200 very happy with it
not as endlessly tweakable as these, but I sure love my DOD Rubberneck. The sound is just bonkers.
The Rubberneck seems to be gaining steam and popularity lately. Had mine on the shelf for a few years. Gotta break it out again, the onboard fx loop (send/return) is a great touch.
Excellent stuff, gents! Different animals as you said, but would love to hear a side by side comparison of the DM 101 and the Free the Tone Future Factory.
Man ! Once again, the best guitar tones on the internet are found on That Pedal Show
I literally just bought a Deluxe Memory Man... this thing also looks fantastic.
Had to revisit this episode. With EHX killing off the DMM 1100-TT, I think the DM-101 could very well be my go-to.
I use the Delay Llama Extreme, sounds awesome easy to use, presets , crazy stuff just killer in a wet dry rig
I think if one likes the tone of the delay line(s), as one might, say, of any analog delay ever made without a tone control (Maxon, Ibanez, Minifooger, and the like), then one's probably in luck with the Boss DM-101. I'm sold. What I heard in this demo is a rich analog delay with a lot of firepower.
Great clip guys, I am a huge Delay fan and have to say that Digital Delay never did a thing for me, too pristine is the main reason. Always loved analog delays for the obscure dark bits and pieces which never really truly duplicate themselves. Hoping to get a DM-101 at a sale price because at $500 I think it's overpriced and it's up there in the Strymon price range.
The Les Paul sounds off the chain. I love it.
I have fallen in love with my suhr discovery with my strymon deco for the doubling. And the more I have played with pedals, coming from a Gibson background, I’ve come to realize the tele is king with playing with effects. Just bites so well and stays tight and plays well with gain. If playing straight in or with just a light boost I’ll keep with my humbuckers