Thank you for making this video. When I originally saw a picture of the trike, I did not fully appreciate the effort that went into the research and design. This is incredible.
Nice Yank. Welcome to Triking. You asked for any improvements. On the Colibri there is only one spring, it has a tab about 3 in long welded order the front fork in the center. A stiff spring hooked to that and tensioned back to an eyelet on the center pipe. Super sweet build.
At a fly-in in South Florida this weekend. I’ve looked at a whole bunch of trikes. Next build I may look to come up with some sort of internal spring that fits inside the vertical shaft for the steering. Nine flights tonight - I’m kind of warming up to it, but I miss the art of foot launching.
Todd has no doubt put a lot of time and effort in designing this trike, and it shows. I had the privilege of running it around the field, and it handles great on the ground. Very impressed! And equally impressive, was watching Todd adding his glider to it for the very first time, and taking off like he had done it hundreds of times. Considering that he has never flown a trike or quad ever before, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Great job Todd!
Ever since you first video on teaching yourself to fly, I have followed your progress with great interest and this one is no exception. Great inspiring video 👍
Diggin' the initiative. Things like this is exactly why I love that we (usa) have experimental class of aircrafts and laws to allow it. Thanks for the vid, wish I had seen the landing!
Thats great Todd. My one suggestion is that you gusset that 'T' junction. That is a lot to ask of that one weld and if it failed a lot of stuff would get damaged. Now I am inspired to adapt my P2F Rs to my BlackHawk Lite trike.
OK....I may add either a short gusset plate or triangulated tube supports, but keep in mind that the base of the pap TinOx is stainless tube. It is bolted in tight and jammed between two 5/8" steel pins at the nose. There is virtually zero play between the trike and the PAP base when it's all together. That prevents or at least shares torsion placed on the T section.
Beautiful machine ! I should've documented my trike build. my paramotor is not strong enough for a trike, I just watched Kyle's video, while you were there !
Way to go Todd. Nice job my friend. I was disappointed you weren't able to stop off in Huntsville and visit on your return from out west. A diy Trike is probably coming soon to a garage near me too. I relate to your thought process and will consider borrowing from your efforts and great research. Good luck with it and keep us posted.
Yes! Another one comes over to the dark side (even if it is temporary). I bet you’ll love it. No more worrying about wind direction… just land it hot! Looks like a nice setup. Like the tall wheels a lot
Just another impressed viewer saying thanks for posting this very informative build had to take a break from paraglider flying due to health issues my moto now is flying is easy but the walk back up the hill is a bugger , quite like the idea of electric flight to get me airbourne again , so your Trike design and build idea would fit the budget and my skill set . big high five for posting ya got my attention in a good way
Built my own paramotor as the first one I bought kept losing bits and I spent most of the time repairing it and modifying it to stop staying on the ground or prematurely ending flights. Sometimes it's best to start from scratch and take the best bits and really think about the design concepts. We in the UK have to have a licence to fly non-foot launched. I ended up using a KT100 Yamaha engine. I was 15 stone then and it got me airborne quite easily. I'm 12 now so need to get it out of storage! UA-cam Madcow paramotor or Steve Cowham, or both. Cheers!
So cool! I flew it for a bit last night and then changed back over and foot launched the same rig, all within about an hour and a half timeframe. Good luck with yours and fly safe!
Nice bit of designing, engineering, and fabricating, and overall, very impressive! I'm just getting started in PPG this year, focusing on foot launching, but if a trike is in my future, I'll probably be following in your footsteps!
This build is not really stout enough for learning. It's reasonably sturdy, but the wheels I'd used are just light weight and sloppy in their construction. They are lawn cart wheels not really intended to exceed 5 MPH. I am working on a few things: 1) a stouter version of this trike with more frame reinforcement so that it won't have to rely on just the "T" join weld 2) larger pneumatic tires and thicker axles intended for the potential need to absorb some "side loading". 3) I am looking to build #3, which is really a community project called Open Source PPG. That one will be a monster preformance solo or tandem capable unit. Progress has been halted for a bit as I travel some but here's where the end result will eventually be available for free: OSPPG.com
Nice work, Todd! I make a lot of hand-made metal parts with little more than a mill and hand files. Like your hand cuts, they aren't perfect, but they do the job!
Its a good looking frame all I see that you need is gussets on the frame leading to the axle and go cart size balloon tires to soften your landing then you won't half to worry about bending your axel.
Thanks. I still fly it but I think I will be spending more money for stouter spoked tires and pneumatic wheels soon. After many dozens of uneventful landings, I had a smooth landing a few weeks ago that ultimately resulted in a structural failure. After touchdown, I tried to taxi up a slight 3' sand berm between my landing spot and the truck. The berm is grass covered but a little soft. Minor side load caused the solid rubber tire to walk off of the front wheel, then as the rim dug into the dirt, the lightweight spokes all flexed too much and allowed the rim to bend. Lastly the forks dug into the ground and snapped my gooseneck weld. No injuries and it's all fixed now, but cheaply manufactured tires, on poor quality wheels, with spokes made of Chinesium alloy are not a great idea. There are better options for strong tires, but they are way more expensive and require more lead time/planning than a drive to Tractor Supply.
Thanks! This is encouraging. I really want to build an “all out trike”, for maximun single pilot performance, or best weight capability on a tandem flight. I am learning however, what many before us have learned... and that is the transition between air cooled 2 stroke engines & water cooled 4 stroke engines... leaves a big gap between reliability and power to weight ratio, right around 40+ H.P. There are so few options, especially if you are eyeing production at some point in the future.
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@@1islam1 What does it say on that Saudi flag? Seems contradictory, but thanks for bringing up the fact that. What's in that black box they march around anyways?
@@YankeeinSC1 dear sir, thanks for the videos. I have been on the verge of building a trike for the last six months or so ever since I ran into a video will yours actually of paramotering, I feel that I could make one a whole lot cheaper than what they are selling them for, please have patience with me I'm not an engineer but what's to keep me from putting a 650cc water cooled motor, I happened to have a motor with only four hundred road miles on it,, it's practically brand-new, would there be a problem of putting the prop on or is that problem able to be overcame ,, I would really love to build my own cart, I definitely respect your opinion, so any encouragement or if you see something wrong with this approach I would definitely appreciate the input, thanks again for your time, g l Baker lake Cumberland
@@glbaker5595 I have to assume that the motor you have was designed for a motorcycle? It's funny in that non-engineering background folks, often miss a full understanding of BOTH the limitations and challenges of repurposing engines for aviation use. This harkens back to the earliest days of airplane design. The age old question "what engine should we use?" Or as in your case, we have a "free" engine, can we use it for our flying contraption? The problems are numerous and manifest themselves in sometimes hidden ways... Like we wanted more power so we "upgraded" the engine, but fuel consumption became such an issue...or now it doesn't have the range or payload or the stall characteristics are more dynamic..etc...Most of those airplanes end up as donations to museums or sitting in the back of someone's hangar until they become part of an estate sale. I've seen and assisted fellow aircraft owners & home builders (and now PPG cart and trike owning acquaintances) with scores of VW, Corvair, Corvette, Model A Ford, Briggs and Stratton, Kohler equipment and other automotive conversion applications. All required highly advanced engineering skills to obtain marginal performance. In most cases, the sum of the end product cost(s) exceeded the cost of purchasing a new power plant designed for the application (Lycoming, Continental, Vittorazi, Rolls Royce etc...) Can it be done? Sure! and it can be fun... but you now have to solve all of the problems i.e. ignition reliability, gear ratio and prop speed, cooling, engine mount system, unknowns like thrust bearings, oil scavenging at non motorcycle flight angles etc... ALL of these factors are taken into account when engineers set out to design an engine for aviation use. I guess I'm saying that it depends what you want out of life. Do you want to spend time learning about and tinkering with all of those things? sometimes the hard way (assuming nothing ever fails and kills you)? or do you really just want to spend your time flying? If the former interests you, I can assure you I have fond memories of tinkering with the timing, valvetrain & water pump reliability issues my buddy had on his Model A Ford powered Pietenpol Aircamper (it appears briefly in one of my earliest videos). His ambitions of flying the plane he'd built, all the way to the annual convention in Wisconsin, from our airport in South Carolina were finally realized about the time I started posting PPG videos. On his flight home however, he landed at a municipal airport about 60 miles short of home. We took the airplane apart and brought it home on a flatbed trailer. He reassembled it and thought he'd fixed the problem, only to crash just off the airport property a week later. He was uninjured, but the aircraft was a total loss...why? Because the engine was a poor choice for a flying machine. To the later question I've posed...do you really want to spend your time flying? If that answer is "YES", then purchase the lightest (power to weight ratio) and strongest (thrust to weight ratio), designed for the application (aviation) engine. Best of luck!
WoW, I had to get subb'd up b/c you earned the following in my humble opinion..... lol, I'm wanting to fly & at 62 I'm not seeing any chance of getting licensed up so I'm looking at Part 103 aircraft. After months of looking I saw a trike but I'm not all that keen on a para-motor as much as I liked the Hang Glider style of wings. What brought me to a hang-glider wing is the control using a bar that your arms/body steer. I like this input more that the other Part 103's that using controls more like the standard aircraft & so I have only just discovered you & homemade trikes. I love the simplicity of what you've done here & you are much more skilled than I am but in all honesty I'd watch your thought processing in problem solving of mechanics of this design. You're good enough that you're holding my interest even if I never build anything = that does impress because it may serve to ignite a fire under my arse? We shall see but until then I'll be digging around. peace
For a season there, I encouraged a lot of guys (not many gals) my age and older to get into the sport. Being older presents some challenges, like slower learning rates and often physical limitations, but with the right folks helping you along the way ALL of those challenges are surmountable! One of my favorite people to fly with is well into he 70s. In fact, he's the fella filming my landing and speaking at the beginning of this vid. It took him a while to become proficient, but he is for sure now and he makes very sound/safe decisions, which is really the key to enjoying recreational aviation of any kind. He had to overcome a long uphill path, as he came from a non-aviation background & had lots to learn. Next, he battled through physical limitations and a surgery (nothing to do with paramotoring) along the way. He did it! Why not consider an immersion course in Florida early next year? I can recommend several paths. You won't have to purchase gear while you learn, you'll be in a warmer place, surrounded by folks that delight in seeing people succeed. Make it a 2 week vacation to meet some new friends and learn how to fly all at once.
Yeah Mr SC Yankee, I know you did motivate some folks & probably more than you'll ever know? There's a lot a channel content showing a build but I saw your logic -n- common sense along w/ some great metal skills was well within your ability. Doing something cool & slashing the overpriced market motivates exponentially, in my opinion. I might be able to source some of the materials but I'd still need help - I don't own many tools either but I'm taking it all in. Are your common nuts/bolts from the building supply stores of high enough grade ? I digress, thank you for all the work & I'll be digging around in other video here at your channel. peace
Hey! Fantastic! I made one too!...for about the same price! What I'm doing now is using a gutted Trike buggy. I strap into my Miniplane, sit in it for takeoff & lift out of it at takeoff speed. Remember the German rocket plane of WW II? It used roller gear for takeoff which dropped away at takeoff then landed on a skid. I do the same but land on my feet. I have Neuropathy. I can land on feet carefully but not takeoff. I'm 73. How many drill bits did you go through to cut through that axle? What type? Thanks! Great video! You may have side load trouble with those spokes. I agree with Miraslav on thrust angle. Mine was angled too far downward & would actually lift the canopy skirt first for a very sloppy inflation....since fixed.
Hi Bill. I broke only one tool :( A 1/4-20 tap that I was fortunately able to extract. I was putting threads in front of those stainless steel motor frame capturing mounts. On the PAP rolling trike, those holes have bolts installed that allow some left/right adjustments at the base. Turns out when bolted in there is virtually zero play or slop on mine. I'll really defend the spoked wheel choice if I get 50 or so flights without a failure. The wheels are robust and intended for garden carts. This build was never intended to be a forgiving frame for new pilots. By theory it is as light as I could make it. I still subscribe to the one knot more airspeed, one ounce more of useful load, one more mile of range, one less pound of drag...well you get the idea.
@@YankeeinSC1 From listening to you talk you're far more knowledgeable than me. I took the very simple Ace Hardware route....but it works. People ask me why don't I just fly theTrike itself It's because I like sitting in the seat. Anyway thanks for the reply & info! I understand about the spokes now...just us nitpickers out here. You know. Me advising you is like a new A&P advising Bill Boeing.
Bill do you have a standard miniplane cage with the glassfibre ring or have you reinforced it? I have that frame and have been wondering for some time if it would hold up for a trike, im thinking about the force on the cage as the wing inflates.
@@rickardjonsson4526 That's a very good question & you'll be surprised at my answer! I hate typing on this tablet so I'll reply in the morning on my desktop with wonderful Win 7 Pro.
@@rickardjonsson4526 I say your reply is funny because I did modify it but the results were okay and not okay. I got tired of replacing those expensive fibreglass rods from old what's-his-name out west. So I got to thinking. Solid rod Aluminum of 3/8ths O.D. variety. Pulled the fibreglass out, used one aluminum rod, fit perfectly all the way around. I'm about to do a video on it but here's where the el problemo came in. First of all, it (the new aluminum rod) had no problem holding up against the pull strain of takeoff using the Miniplane & a 26 meter. However, one day I had the chute fall off to the left rear in a mild breeze. It partially (just enough) collapsed the aluminum rod into the propeller. I was able to salvage the prop (so far it hasn't shattered - again) and was able to reuse the cage aluminum rod (so far). However, it is weakened now so I have to be careful the chute doesn't fall rear left again. What exacerbated the situation was that I was slow on shutting down the motor. That would've prevented most of the damage. Now, would the fibreglass rods have prevented all of it. Possibly so. Possibly not....since the force of the chute's (suspension lines) fall was severe. Do I still use aluminum as described here? Yes. I got tired of buying old what's-his-name's fiberglass ones. Fly safe! Hope this helps.
The number 1 consideration in my opinion is to keep the CG as low as possible. I fly a trike buggy right now which is a very low CG machine that is very stable.
I almost bought one with a Polini 190 on it for $4500. The engine had some "history", the mount system wasn't ideal and I didn't like the idea of the riser guides, so I passed. James who taxied mine in this video has 4 machines and is currently flying a trike buggy. More important than low CG at any cost, IMHO, is a design that is as near an Isosceles triangle as can be tolerated.
Thanks heaps for this. What I'm trying to work out is the seat holder. While on the ground it looks like you're going to be pivoting forward and back on that part sticking up, and your seat-board. Just strugging to imagine that. Also, in the air how does the seat get seperated from the bar you're sitting on?
The PAP seat board is a 5 ply thin laminated board (plywood). Given that it is attached to the harness at the rear of the seat, you can't really "pivot" much, maybe a little, but the board is supported at two points, the fabric continuation from the harness back and now your under seat support. Alternatively you could build a little square table like support rather than just a bar like I choose to use. It's important to note; that as the swing arms are lifted by the wing, the seat isn't lifted off of whatever type of seat support you go with, until the very last little bit of swing arm travel, assuming you want to retain most of the weight shift ability of your foot launch rig. If you don't build so that the swing arms eventually lift the seat bottom off of the support, you wont enjoy as much weight shift capability.
Took off no problem. What does it weigh with and without motor? Not much give in that rear end. I built the Lite Trike we had to adapt it to a Flat Top because of the crumple zone. I really like my lite flyer. Fiberglass axles makes for smother landings. Looks like you did a great job. Love to see more videos. Very smooth landing.
That's a lot lighter than most. Mine was 30 lbs that was with the wheeleez beach tires (which coast the most, about $230). Now I have a 5 gal aluminum gas tank and 11' chrome 4 ply go cart tires. I also made a self centering front end. Same principle as yours. Do you have pictures of the hang test? I'm sure your wheels will take squirrel holes much better than mine... but I look sexy lol.
@@David65702 I did post a photo of the hang test on the facebook paramotor homemade page. Pretty benign I had to move my attach points as far forward as the PAP arms allow. to insure the front wheel leaves the ground first and arrives last.
I'll see if I can find it I'd like to see it. It seem to work fine. When I first tested my trike I had the hang points to far forward and had to pull hard left brake to keep from spinning donuts, though I built a pile of crap but it was just the hang points. Look forward to more videos. You know you have to get one of Gorilla's sexy trike shirts right lol.
Very nice. Really makes me wanna build one too. Looks like your grade 8 bolts for the rear wheels are loaded the same way as many swingarms are, not tenshioned. How did you select grade 8? I myself are trying to figure out whats the best swingarmbolts but its 2 camps. Soft that bends vs hard that cracks. Whats your opinion on that and what grade does pap use on the swingarms?
wow... tough questions. This is why certified aircraft are so darn expensive. The required engineering and destructive testing behind designs that the FAA can "certify", is not only costly, but requires way more brain power (not to mention structural engineering credentials) than I have. I think soft may be better, but in the case of a trike most of the issues are ground issues, not in flight concerns. As for PAP? How can I answer for them?
@@RodrigoMedeirosBrazil It doesn't work that way. you can't get the seat to collapse like it would for a foot landing, because of the welded in seat support.
Desde los brazos oscilantes, como la mayoría de las plataformas de lanzamiento con el pie. Esta sigue siendo una máquina de cambio de peso, el triciclo en realidad solo se levanta mediante el marco del paramotor.
About 2 months ago I landed nicely, then tried to taxi up a small sand/earthen berm to my truck. I didn't land on the berm because of some survey stakes for some new hangars that will soon be built. Anyhow, the side load attempting to climb the berm was enough that the hard rubber tire worked itself off of the flimsy rim, which subsequently dug into the ground and folded in half. Even though I was barely rolling more than 5 MPH, the sudden stop bent my front forks and sheared the gooseneck weld. I have repaired it, but I really need to re-design the steering to incorporate a heavier duty triple tree style steering system that prevents side load forces from having as much bending moment. I may also upgrade to pneumatic wheels, at least for the front. In a nut shell, I would if we were friends and you lived close by, especially so if you could take care of sourcing materials, but I have no desire to become a "manufacturer". I've filled my time recently with a huge residential deck project, so I'm strapped for time on top of everything else...
Thank you for making this video. When I originally saw a picture of the trike, I did not fully appreciate the effort that went into the research and design. This is incredible.
I think I also read in the comments that you are a self taught pilot. You are a tremendously talented man.
Nice Yank. Welcome to Triking. You asked for any improvements. On the Colibri there is only one spring, it has a tab about 3 in long welded order the front fork in the center. A stiff spring hooked to that and tensioned back to an eyelet on the center pipe. Super sweet build.
At a fly-in in South Florida this weekend. I’ve looked at a whole bunch of trikes. Next build I may look to come up with some sort of internal spring that fits inside the vertical shaft for the steering. Nine flights tonight - I’m kind of warming up to it, but I miss the art of foot launching.
Todd has no doubt put a lot of time and effort in designing this trike, and it shows. I had the privilege of running it around the field, and it handles great on the ground. Very impressed! And equally impressive, was watching Todd adding his glider to it for the very first time, and taking off like he had done it hundreds of times. Considering that he has never flown a trike or quad ever before, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Great job Todd!
Never would have tried it without you fellas there to call 911....
Just watched again, it's a great idea! Thank you for sharing the video!
Good job building the trike. I really like the design.
Ever since you first video on teaching yourself to fly, I have followed your progress with great interest and this one is no exception.
Great inspiring video 👍
Way to go! Trike looks and flies fantastic! Super cool! I'll share this with a flying buddy (Engineer) that built his own trike.
Diggin' the initiative. Things like this is exactly why I love that we (usa) have experimental class of aircrafts and laws to allow it. Thanks for the vid, wish I had seen the landing!
This really makes me want to build my own Trike now. Great job Todd and thank you!
Mark from Florida here, Super job
Nice job Todd !! Take off and landing looked like you had been doing it all along..
Awesome project sir, thank's for sharing this video
Thats great Todd. My one suggestion is that you gusset that 'T' junction. That is a lot to ask of that one weld and if it failed a lot of stuff would get damaged. Now I am inspired to adapt my P2F Rs to my BlackHawk Lite trike.
Good point VBob! I missed it but agree. I have a problem with his using spoke wheels...side loads on takeoff & landing.
OK....I may add either a short gusset plate or triangulated tube supports, but keep in mind that the base of the pap TinOx is stainless tube. It is bolted in tight and jammed between two 5/8" steel pins at the nose. There is virtually zero play between the trike and the PAP base when it's all together. That prevents or at least shares torsion placed on the T section.
Beautiful machine ! I should've documented my trike build. my paramotor is not strong enough for a trike, I just watched Kyle's video, while you were there !
Cool. I thought he has lost the video footage from this. it was back in October
Way to go Todd. Nice job my friend. I was disappointed you weren't able to stop off in Huntsville and visit on your return from out west. A diy Trike is probably coming soon to a garage near me too. I relate to your thought process and will consider borrowing from your efforts and great research. Good luck with it and keep us posted.
Thanks Rick!
Very nice build. I like it!
Yes! Another one comes over to the dark side (even if it is temporary). I bet you’ll love it. No more worrying about wind direction… just land it hot! Looks like a nice setup. Like the tall wheels a lot
Just another impressed viewer saying thanks for posting this very informative build had to take a break from paraglider flying due to health issues my moto now is flying is easy but the walk back up the hill is a bugger , quite like the idea of electric flight to get me airbourne again , so your Trike design and build idea would fit the budget and my skill set . big high five for posting ya got my attention in a good way
Built my own paramotor as the first one I bought kept losing bits and I spent most of the time repairing it and modifying it to stop staying on the ground or prematurely ending flights. Sometimes it's best to start from scratch and take the best bits and really think about the design concepts. We in the UK have to have a licence to fly non-foot launched. I ended up using a KT100 Yamaha engine. I was 15 stone then and it got me airborne quite easily. I'm 12 now so need to get it out of storage! UA-cam Madcow paramotor or Steve Cowham, or both. Cheers!
This is great! Me and my brother JUST built one and encountered many of the same things you did. Though weve yet to fly it, the good weather is coming
So cool! I flew it for a bit last night and then changed back over and foot launched the same rig, all within about an hour and a half timeframe. Good luck with yours and fly safe!
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Nice bit of designing, engineering, and fabricating, and overall, very impressive! I'm just getting started in PPG this year, focusing on foot launching, but if a trike is in my future, I'll probably be following in your footsteps!
This build is not really stout enough for learning. It's reasonably sturdy, but the wheels I'd used are just light weight and sloppy in their construction. They are lawn cart wheels not really intended to exceed 5 MPH. I am working on a few things: 1) a stouter version of this trike with more frame reinforcement so that it won't have to rely on just the "T" join weld 2) larger pneumatic tires and thicker axles intended for the potential need to absorb some "side loading". 3) I am looking to build #3, which is really a community project called Open Source PPG. That one will be a monster preformance solo or tandem capable unit. Progress has been halted for a bit as I travel some but here's where the end result will eventually be available for free: OSPPG.com
I realize that Kyle is the 'Wizard', but you gotta run a close 2nd. Nice!
that's great Todd thanks for share most love and respect.
Nice work, Todd! I make a lot of hand-made metal parts with little more than a mill and hand files. Like your hand cuts, they aren't perfect, but they do the job!
I just really wanted to gig Philip for flying with his foot in a cast...
Its a good looking frame all I see that you need is gussets on the frame leading to the axle and go cart size balloon tires to soften your landing then you won't half to worry about bending your axel.
Very nice!
Well done 👍. Great job
Thanks. I still fly it but I think I will be spending more money for stouter spoked tires and pneumatic wheels soon. After many dozens of uneventful landings, I had a smooth landing a few weeks ago that ultimately resulted in a structural failure. After touchdown, I tried to taxi up a slight 3' sand berm between my landing spot and the truck. The berm is grass covered but a little soft. Minor side load caused the solid rubber tire to walk off of the front wheel, then as the rim dug into the dirt, the lightweight spokes all flexed too much and allowed the rim to bend. Lastly the forks dug into the ground and snapped my gooseneck weld. No injuries and it's all fixed now, but cheaply manufactured tires, on poor quality wheels, with spokes made of Chinesium alloy are not a great idea. There are better options for strong tires, but they are way more expensive and require more lead time/planning than a drive to Tractor Supply.
AMAZING! That is all I have to say about this build. Your use of fusion360 and 3d printing parts was highly impressive! Great stuff Yankee!
Thanks! This is encouraging. I really want to build an “all out trike”, for maximun single pilot performance, or best weight capability on a tandem flight. I am learning however, what many before us have learned... and that is the transition between air cooled 2 stroke engines & water cooled 4 stroke engines... leaves a big gap between reliability and power to weight ratio, right around 40+ H.P. There are so few options, especially if you are eyeing production at some point in the future.
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@@1islam1 What does it say on that Saudi flag? Seems contradictory, but thanks for bringing up the fact that. What's in that black box they march around anyways?
@@YankeeinSC1 dear sir, thanks for the videos. I have been on the verge of building a trike for the last six months or so ever since I ran into a video will yours actually of paramotering, I feel that I could make one a whole lot cheaper than what they are selling them for, please have patience with me I'm not an engineer but what's to keep me from putting a 650cc water cooled motor, I happened to have a motor with only four hundred road miles on it,, it's practically brand-new, would there be a problem of putting the prop on or is that problem able to be overcame ,, I would really love to build my own cart, I definitely respect your opinion, so any encouragement or if you see something wrong with this approach I would definitely appreciate the input, thanks again for your time, g l Baker lake Cumberland
@@glbaker5595 I have to assume that the motor you have was designed for a motorcycle? It's funny in that non-engineering background folks, often miss a full understanding of BOTH the limitations and challenges of repurposing engines for aviation use. This harkens back to the earliest days of airplane design. The age old question "what engine should we use?" Or as in your case, we have a "free" engine, can we use it for our flying contraption? The problems are numerous and manifest themselves in sometimes hidden ways... Like we wanted more power so we "upgraded" the engine, but fuel consumption became such an issue...or now it doesn't have the range or payload or the stall characteristics are more dynamic..etc...Most of those airplanes end up as donations to museums or sitting in the back of someone's hangar until they become part of an estate sale. I've seen and assisted fellow aircraft owners & home builders (and now PPG cart and trike owning acquaintances) with scores of VW, Corvair, Corvette, Model A Ford, Briggs and Stratton, Kohler equipment and other automotive conversion applications. All required highly advanced engineering skills to obtain marginal performance. In most cases, the sum of the end product cost(s) exceeded the cost of purchasing a new power plant designed for the application (Lycoming, Continental, Vittorazi, Rolls Royce etc...) Can it be done? Sure! and it can be fun... but you now have to solve all of the problems i.e. ignition reliability, gear ratio and prop speed, cooling, engine mount system, unknowns like thrust bearings, oil scavenging at non motorcycle flight angles etc... ALL of these factors are taken into account when engineers set out to design an engine for aviation use. I guess I'm saying that it depends what you want out of life. Do you want to spend time learning about and tinkering with all of those things? sometimes the hard way (assuming nothing ever fails and kills you)? or do you really just want to spend your time flying? If the former interests you, I can assure you I have fond memories of tinkering with the timing, valvetrain & water pump reliability issues my buddy had on his Model A Ford powered Pietenpol Aircamper (it appears briefly in one of my earliest videos). His ambitions of flying the plane he'd built, all the way to the annual convention in Wisconsin, from our airport in South Carolina were finally realized about the time I started posting PPG videos. On his flight home however, he landed at a municipal airport about 60 miles short of home. We took the airplane apart and brought it home on a flatbed trailer. He reassembled it and thought he'd fixed the problem, only to crash just off the airport property a week later. He was uninjured, but the aircraft was a total loss...why? Because the engine was a poor choice for a flying machine. To the later question I've posed...do you really want to spend your time flying? If that answer is "YES", then purchase the lightest (power to weight ratio) and strongest (thrust to weight ratio), designed for the application (aviation) engine. Best of luck!
WoW, I had to get subb'd up b/c you earned the following in my humble opinion..... lol, I'm wanting to fly & at 62 I'm not seeing
any chance of getting licensed up so I'm looking at Part 103 aircraft. After months of looking I saw a trike but I'm not all that
keen on a para-motor as much as I liked the Hang Glider style of wings. What brought me to a hang-glider wing is the control
using a bar that your arms/body steer. I like this input more that the other Part 103's that using controls more like the standard
aircraft & so I have only just discovered you & homemade trikes. I love the simplicity of what you've done here & you are much
more skilled than I am but in all honesty I'd watch your thought processing in problem solving of mechanics of this design.
You're good enough that you're holding my interest even if I never build anything = that does impress because it may serve
to ignite a fire under my arse? We shall see but until then I'll be digging around. peace
For a season there, I encouraged a lot of guys (not many gals) my age and older to get into the sport. Being older presents some challenges, like slower learning rates and often physical limitations, but with the right folks helping you along the way ALL of those challenges are surmountable! One of my favorite people to fly with is well into he 70s. In fact, he's the fella filming my landing and speaking at the beginning of this vid. It took him a while to become proficient, but he is for sure now and he makes very sound/safe decisions, which is really the key to enjoying recreational aviation of any kind. He had to overcome a long uphill path, as he came from a non-aviation background & had lots to learn. Next, he battled through physical limitations and a surgery (nothing to do with paramotoring) along the way. He did it! Why not consider an immersion course in Florida early next year? I can recommend several paths. You won't have to purchase gear while you learn, you'll be in a warmer place, surrounded by folks that delight in seeing people succeed. Make it a 2 week vacation to meet some new friends and learn how to fly all at once.
Yeah Mr SC Yankee, I know you did motivate some folks & probably more than you'll ever know? There's a lot a channel
content showing a build but I saw your logic -n- common sense along w/ some great metal skills was well within your
ability. Doing something cool & slashing the overpriced market motivates exponentially, in my opinion. I might be able
to source some of the materials but I'd still need help - I don't own many tools either but I'm taking it all in. Are your
common nuts/bolts from the building supply stores of high enough grade ? I digress, thank you for all the work &
I'll be digging around in other video here at your channel. peace
Put some kind of pad on the seat support it tears up your harness. Nice build though.
Nice job Todd , James told me how well your 1st flight went . Trikes Are Sexy ! Congrats
Trikes are...
Hey! Fantastic! I made one too!...for about the same price! What I'm doing now is using a gutted Trike buggy. I strap into my Miniplane, sit in it for takeoff & lift out of it at takeoff speed. Remember the German rocket plane of WW II? It used roller gear for takeoff which dropped away at takeoff then landed on a skid. I do the same but land on my feet. I have Neuropathy. I can land on feet carefully but not takeoff. I'm 73. How many drill bits did you go through to cut through that axle? What type? Thanks! Great video! You may have side load trouble with those spokes.
I agree with Miraslav on thrust angle. Mine was angled too far downward & would actually lift the canopy skirt first for a very sloppy inflation....since fixed.
Hi Bill. I broke only one tool :( A 1/4-20 tap that I was fortunately able to extract. I was putting threads in front of those stainless steel motor frame capturing mounts. On the PAP rolling trike, those holes have bolts installed that allow some left/right adjustments at the base. Turns out when bolted in there is virtually zero play or slop on mine. I'll really defend the spoked wheel choice if I get 50 or so flights without a failure. The wheels are robust and intended for garden carts. This build was never intended to be a forgiving frame for new pilots. By theory it is as light as I could make it. I still subscribe to the one knot more airspeed, one ounce more of useful load, one more mile of range, one less pound of drag...well you get the idea.
@@YankeeinSC1 From listening to you talk you're far more knowledgeable than me. I took the very simple Ace Hardware route....but it works. People ask me why don't I just fly theTrike itself It's because I like sitting in the seat. Anyway thanks for the reply & info! I understand about the spokes now...just us nitpickers out here. You know. Me advising you is like a new A&P advising Bill Boeing.
Bill do you have a standard miniplane cage with the glassfibre ring or have you reinforced it? I have that frame and have been wondering for some time if it would hold up for a trike, im thinking about the force on the cage as the wing inflates.
@@rickardjonsson4526 That's a very good question & you'll be surprised at my answer! I hate typing on this tablet so I'll reply in the morning on my desktop with wonderful Win 7 Pro.
@@rickardjonsson4526 I say your reply is funny because I did modify it but the results were okay and not okay. I got tired of replacing those expensive fibreglass rods from old what's-his-name out west. So I got to thinking. Solid rod Aluminum of 3/8ths O.D. variety. Pulled the fibreglass out, used one aluminum rod, fit perfectly all the way around. I'm about to do a video on it but here's where the el problemo came in.
First of all, it (the new aluminum rod) had no problem holding up against the pull strain of takeoff using the Miniplane & a 26 meter. However, one day I had the chute fall off to the left rear in a mild breeze. It partially (just enough) collapsed the aluminum rod into the propeller. I was able to salvage the prop (so far it hasn't shattered - again) and was able to reuse the cage aluminum rod (so far). However, it is weakened now so I have to be careful the chute doesn't fall rear left again. What exacerbated the situation was that I was slow on shutting down the motor. That would've prevented most of the damage.
Now, would the fibreglass rods have prevented all of it. Possibly so. Possibly not....since the force of the chute's (suspension lines) fall was severe. Do I still use aluminum as described here? Yes. I got tired of buying old what's-his-name's fiberglass ones. Fly safe! Hope this helps.
Well done!
The number 1 consideration in my opinion is to keep the CG as low as possible. I fly a trike buggy right now which is a very low CG machine that is very stable.
I almost bought one with a Polini 190 on it for $4500. The engine had some "history", the mount system wasn't ideal and I didn't like the idea of the riser guides, so I passed. James who taxied mine in this video has 4 machines and is currently flying a trike buggy. More important than low CG at any cost, IMHO, is a design that is as near an Isosceles triangle as can be tolerated.
Thanks heaps for this. What I'm trying to work out is the seat holder. While on the ground it looks like you're going to be pivoting forward and back on that part sticking up, and your seat-board. Just strugging to imagine that. Also, in the air how does the seat get seperated from the bar you're sitting on?
The PAP seat board is a 5 ply thin laminated board (plywood). Given that it is attached to the harness at the rear of the seat, you can't really "pivot" much, maybe a little, but the board is supported at two points, the fabric continuation from the harness back and now your under seat support. Alternatively you could build a little square table like support rather than just a bar like I choose to use. It's important to note; that as the swing arms are lifted by the wing, the seat isn't lifted off of whatever type of seat support you go with, until the very last little bit of swing arm travel, assuming you want to retain most of the weight shift ability of your foot launch rig. If you don't build so that the swing arms eventually lift the seat bottom off of the support, you wont enjoy as much weight shift capability.
@@YankeeinSC1 Thanks for the explanation
Took off no problem. What does it weigh with and without motor? Not much give in that rear end. I built the Lite Trike we had to adapt it to a Flat Top because of the crumple zone. I really like my lite flyer. Fiberglass axles makes for smother landings. Looks like you did a great job. Love to see more videos. Very smooth landing.
I need to weigh it... 28 pounds?
I did weigh it...29 pounds plus primer and paint
That's a lot lighter than most. Mine was 30 lbs that was with the wheeleez beach tires (which coast the most, about $230). Now I have a 5 gal aluminum gas tank and 11' chrome 4 ply go cart tires. I also made a self centering front end. Same principle as yours. Do you have pictures of the hang test? I'm sure your wheels will take squirrel holes much better than mine... but I look sexy lol.
@@David65702 I did post a photo of the hang test on the facebook paramotor homemade page. Pretty benign I had to move my attach points as far forward as the PAP arms allow. to insure the front wheel leaves the ground first and arrives last.
I'll see if I can find it I'd like to see it. It seem to work fine. When I first tested my trike I had the hang points to far forward and had to pull hard left brake to keep from spinning donuts, though I built a pile of crap but it was just the hang points. Look forward to more videos. You know you have to get one of Gorilla's sexy trike shirts right lol.
A perfect nano paratrike that will not tip over then an all electric cheap 1hr power system
Very nice. Really makes me wanna build one too.
Looks like your grade 8 bolts for the rear wheels are loaded the same way as many swingarms are, not tenshioned. How did you select grade 8? I myself are trying to figure out whats the best swingarmbolts but its 2 camps. Soft that bends vs hard that cracks. Whats your opinion on that and what grade does pap use on the swingarms?
wow... tough questions. This is why certified aircraft are so darn expensive. The required engineering and destructive testing behind designs that the FAA can "certify", is not only costly, but requires way more brain power (not to mention structural engineering credentials) than I have. I think soft may be better, but in the case of a trike most of the issues are ground issues, not in flight concerns. As for PAP? How can I answer for them?
@@YankeeinSC1 isnt that a Pap? Just look at the stamp on the bolt head
Bravo
if you got back gennias o back pain .will be good if desaing a trike whit shack an solver, o springs soporter
Nice and simple. That seat support looks painful tho.
my seat is laminated plywood...so the load is spread out
Cool
If you want, can you do a foot launch?
I prefer foot launching. I have many other videos of that before I needed to build this trike.
@@YankeeinSC1 I'm sorry! I'm think was not clear, I try to ask again. Can you do a foot launch with this trike?
@@RodrigoMedeirosBrazil oh... no because you have to ride in the seat
@@YankeeinSC1 can you try to stand up in next time? Just to test.
@@RodrigoMedeirosBrazil It doesn't work that way. you can't get the seat to collapse like it would for a foot landing, because of the welded in seat support.
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Hola .cómo es el anclaje de la silla
Desde los brazos oscilantes, como la mayoría de las plataformas de lanzamiento con el pie. Esta sigue siendo una máquina de cambio de peso, el triciclo en realidad solo se levanta mediante el marco del paramotor.
Would you be interested in building one for me?
About 2 months ago I landed nicely, then tried to taxi up a small sand/earthen berm to my truck. I didn't land on the berm because of some survey stakes for some new hangars that will soon be built. Anyhow, the side load attempting to climb the berm was enough that the hard rubber tire worked itself off of the flimsy rim, which subsequently dug into the ground and folded in half. Even though I was barely rolling more than 5 MPH, the sudden stop bent my front forks and sheared the gooseneck weld. I have repaired it, but I really need to re-design the steering to incorporate a heavier duty triple tree style steering system that prevents side load forces from having as much bending moment. I may also upgrade to pneumatic wheels, at least for the front. In a nut shell, I would if we were friends and you lived close by, especially so if you could take care of sourcing materials, but I have no desire to become a "manufacturer". I've filled my time recently with a huge residential deck project, so I'm strapped for time on top of everything else...
I try
Hello sir