Aquascape Tutorial: Sparkling Gourami Blackwater Aquarium (How To Step By Step Planted Tank Guide)

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  • Aquascape Tutorial: Sparkling Gourami Blackwater Aquarium (How To Step By Step Planted Tank Guide)
    As soon as I made the previous blackwater tank for the Neon Tetra fish, I knew there would be more. This time I wanted to do a planted version with less black water, but all the wood and tannins. The "tint" as we call it will release slowly and the water will go darker as time goes by. Make sure you are subscribed to the channel for future updates 👍
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 268

  • @danielmadsen439
    @danielmadsen439 3 роки тому

    Cutting off the foam pad is soooo satisfying

  • @zeropointenergy1574
    @zeropointenergy1574 4 роки тому +62

    This is my happy place - always cheerful and positive and newly created beauty.

  • @MeeshMPH
    @MeeshMPH 3 роки тому +1

    Great video with MA ... its great when you have enthusiastic, knowledgeable staff ..

  • @existentialcrisis1873
    @existentialcrisis1873 4 роки тому +49

    Everyday I look forward to sseing these videos, keep them coming. Nice to see the sparkling gourami, a underrated fish

    • @thehornwortofhornwort9832
      @thehornwortofhornwort9832 4 роки тому +3

      I can’t seem to find them anywhere where I am!

    • @surveymaster1297
      @surveymaster1297 3 роки тому

      @@thehornwortofhornwort9832 word of advice, find a corner pet shop with an asian owner. I mean that in the least racist way possible, i just mean that they always have a good selection of fish. Dunno, maybe they just have good tastes that others dont have? good luck!

    • @thehornwortofhornwort9832
      @thehornwortofhornwort9832 3 роки тому

      @@surveymaster1297 I literally live in China lol, only place I’ve seen them is online and too far away/super expensive or on vacations in some markets. Locally I can’t seem to source them.

  • @drewsample9610
    @drewsample9610 4 роки тому +34

    "I just poured water everywhere, that was stupid of me" I can relate to this statement :)

    • @bailyleiphart3719
      @bailyleiphart3719 4 роки тому +1

      Yep, I siphon my water straight to the floor more than I'd liked to admit

  • @MDFishTanks
    @MDFishTanks  4 роки тому +16

    As soon as I made the previous blackwater tank for the Neon Tetra fish, I knew there would be more. This time I wanted to do a planted version with less black water, but all the wood and tannins. The "tint" as we call it will release slowly and the water will go darker as time goes by. Make sure you are subscribed to the channel for future updates 👍
    Equipment (all links affiliate):
    Tank: amzn.to/3nD5UHm
    Light: US amzn.to/2G1vVPO UK amzn.to/3kqhB2h
    Filter: US amzn.to/3iNeVtW UK amzn.to/2Fo774a
    Stainless Lily Pipes: US amzn.to/2FqHpvR UK amzn.to/2RlfrnC
    Hardscape: www.aquariumgardens.co.uk

    • @vEGan1909
      @vEGan1909 4 роки тому

      Hi MD, what an awesome tank.
      Take some time to enjoy your studio.
      And please do updates on Timmy and Pancho.
      Greetings from Germany
      Esther

    • @williamirish4133
      @williamirish4133 4 роки тому

      @MD Fish Tanks why don't you do african cichlids or south american cichlids just curious

    • @DLabyGmr
      @DLabyGmr 4 роки тому

      you lifted the tank with some weight in it, check for water leaks in the next weeks, just in case.

    • @jeffreyfonteneau7467
      @jeffreyfonteneau7467 4 роки тому

      How did u get your wood to stay down?

  • @sweetme9224
    @sweetme9224 4 роки тому +1

    Loving the natural look. I have a 10 gallon with these little "sparklers". My first tank♥. I've read they're suppose to be shy but these guys are not at all. They always come front and center to greet me and they are all over investigating.
    Thank you so much for sharing your sweet babies and amazing tanks, they are such a joy.♀‍🙋

  • @heavenlancaster20
    @heavenlancaster20 3 роки тому +1

    I had a sparkling gourami tank once it was my favorite

  • @nailzius
    @nailzius 4 роки тому

    The tanks next to each other call for this tank to lean left like it is. You gain a good compliment to the tank next to it that is built to the right.

  • @justadumbhuman2719
    @justadumbhuman2719 4 роки тому +40

    I'm so excited for this! Gouramis are some of my favourite fish, I'd love to see a honey gourami tank some time in the future if you ever decide to get more Gouramis or just smaller fish in general!
    Edit: In my opinion this is probably one of the best looking scapes you've done! It's absolutely gorgeous

    • @douglasrobles_
      @douglasrobles_ 4 роки тому +1

      Peal and 3 dots are amazing as welllll

    • @buttertd6764
      @buttertd6764 4 роки тому

      My personal favourite are the samurai gouramis😍

    • @douglasrobles_
      @douglasrobles_ 4 роки тому

      @@buttertd6764 never seen them

    • @croatiankilla1878
      @croatiankilla1878 4 роки тому +1

      I absolutely agree with the love for gouramis, but I’m not a huge fan of this scape. I’m not sure what it is but it just looks funny to me

  • @mellewedin8221
    @mellewedin8221 4 роки тому +2

    I love this type of fish. I had 2. They both pasted away. I am not sure what's up in my fish room, I might have to tare down all 16 of my planted tanks and put down over half my fish. I can not beat these camallanus worms!

  • @denisepollitt1021
    @denisepollitt1021 4 роки тому +1

    MD, I believe at this point, people like the wonderful George Farmer, are looking up to YOU!

  • @stephsexoticpets
    @stephsexoticpets 4 роки тому +1

    MD! THESE ARE MY FAVORITE FISH EVER. I CANT BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

  • @h3ndo77
    @h3ndo77 4 роки тому +1

    I recently got new fish and these tutorials are so helpful thank you

  • @freddiehill28
    @freddiehill28 3 роки тому +1

    Love that you talk about your water filler attachment thing every time you use it!

  • @eleanorrhines1204
    @eleanorrhines1204 4 роки тому +1

    I love sparkling gouramis. Thank you for this video!!

  • @meaghanb9118
    @meaghanb9118 3 роки тому +1

    Can't wait to see it fill in and the fish feel braver!

  • @sarahbelmonte8888
    @sarahbelmonte8888 4 роки тому +1

    I’m so happy for you MD. I really love this tank ( didn’t think I was going to 🤪) but it’s great and the sound of pride and excitement in your voice translates to me an d makes me not only want to do my own tank room, but be excited about what ever I take on. Thanks MD

  • @Annabannana1126
    @Annabannana1126 3 роки тому +1

    The one little sparkling gourami under the leaf 😭❤

  • @EyeCantGame
    @EyeCantGame 4 роки тому +2

    This is always where i go when I'm bored, its so relaxing and peaceful✌️

  • @TobyCreates
    @TobyCreates 4 роки тому

    Hey MD, just a tip, if you want to get a pretty instant black water effect, I’d recommend not boiling the leaves and letting them just float there. They’ll sink after a few hours and will not loose any of their tannins.

    • @namefirst7189
      @namefirst7189 4 роки тому

      This is actually the opposite. You want to boil your leaves for at least 10 Minutes. It starts the leaves breaking down to release tannins, without boiling it takes much longer.

  • @dramoth64
    @dramoth64 3 роки тому +1

    I love watching videos like this. It gives me ideas for my tanks :D I am in the process of building new stands for my tanks and rescaping them.

  • @timmyfingaz100
    @timmyfingaz100 3 роки тому

    Not a massive fan of blackwater tanks personally but wow this tank is great!! Makes me think of the bottom of a river!

  • @stephsexoticpets
    @stephsexoticpets 4 роки тому +1

    Just last night I watched my female sparkling gourami laying eggs! no male, but still incredible. I cant with this! you're my fav youtuber & this is great. My fav fish! My main tank on my work desk has my two females. AA!!

  • @mikef3300
    @mikef3300 3 роки тому +1

    I think a few Pencil fish would be a good addition to this tank. Great job once again

  • @FoxiesFishes
    @FoxiesFishes 4 роки тому +4

    I always enjoy your videos! I've been a long time viewer, first time commentor. I aspire to one day reach your level of scaping. Currently, I am really into natural aquariums with a deep substrate. I struggled for a very long time to balance out my aquarium, having tons of algae and plant die off. I stumbled upon a fellow fishtuber called Father Fish and he introduced me to the idea of a deep substrate. I haven't had any further issues since implementing it. Now, if I could make my aquariums as beautiful as your's, I'd have it all! Thank you for sharing! 😊❤

  • @nicolero8130
    @nicolero8130 4 роки тому

    And this canister filter with built in heater is also very good

  • @AVPAquariums
    @AVPAquariums 3 роки тому +1

    Just discovered your videos and I am absolutely blown away by your tanks! Amazing work!!

  • @PENFOLD1962
    @PENFOLD1962 4 роки тому +4

    Another great video and an excellent Aqua-scape. Have you tried BLACK LIGHT with crustaceans such as Shrimp? Would the Shrimp glow up like Scorpions when exposed to BLACK LIGHTING? Is there a Shrimp that has proven to do a better clean up job than other shrimp?
    THIS AQUA-SCAPE has got to be one of my Favourite if not 'The Favourite'. So natural & realistic, do you take photos of examples when you go out for a walk? STUNNING is an understatement for sure.
    Take care my friend 👍😷👍

  • @willit1972
    @willit1972 4 роки тому +1

    I love watching a few of your videos back to back when trying to figure out a scape in my tanks. Thanks for the inspiration.

  • @greenscaper7886
    @greenscaper7886 4 роки тому

    Totally agree to pay attention during water changes. I got distracted cleaning another tank and ended up tripping my circuit breaker.

  • @coffeestuff3149
    @coffeestuff3149 4 роки тому

    By far my favorite UA-camr

  • @laurarodrigues7072
    @laurarodrigues7072 4 роки тому +1

    This is one of my favourite scapes!!

  • @demon.that.draws777
    @demon.that.draws777 4 роки тому +2

    I love how that one sparkling g peeked out from underneath the leaf, that is so adorable ಥ‿ಥ

  • @SpiritAquatics
    @SpiritAquatics 4 роки тому +2

    The hardscape on this one is really nice. I have the same 90L tank I bought on sale about 2 months ago. All pond solutions is great, the price is really good for an almost ADA quality tank. 😆

  • @helenchambers169
    @helenchambers169 4 роки тому

    Greetings from Australia. Looooove your Chanel. Only new to the fish hobby, more specifically to planted tanks. You are absolutely my favourite! Love your content, love your scapes, love your positivity & love the quality of your video. Thank you for the amount of work you put into every video.

  • @hugoagogo4324
    @hugoagogo4324 3 роки тому

    Them discus are gorgeous !!!

  • @МарджиЭлкинс
    @МарджиЭлкинс 3 роки тому

    Так много аквариумов!!! :) И все они такие красивые! Восхитительно!

  • @janicerosenthal8798
    @janicerosenthal8798 4 роки тому +1

    Always a absolute pleasure watching you create a beautiful underwater world 🌿🐟🍃🐠🌿❤️

  • @cathylocklin3215
    @cathylocklin3215 3 роки тому

    I just got some of these today, to go with my Ember Tetra, & Betta.❤️

  • @amytowery1547
    @amytowery1547 4 роки тому +1

    You outdid yourself on this one!!! I absolutely love everything about it!!! The natural elements are fantastic... I especially love the small cones!!!!
    And PERFECT fish choice!!! ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

  • @wmarian5027
    @wmarian5027 4 роки тому +1

    Love sparkling gourami s! once full grown, mine splash around a lot and chase, you might consider a lid.

  • @thenaturecreater8906
    @thenaturecreater8906 3 роки тому

    Hope you dont lose your passion 🥰 great Job mike

  • @mellewedin8221
    @mellewedin8221 4 роки тому

    The wood lice, we call them rollie pollies here in Vermont in the states. They actually are a isopod. They are fully adapted to be in and under water. They can swim very well. They are one of 2 that left water for good and are mostly a land dweller now. I keep them in my turtles set up so she can hunt.

  • @filluponlife496
    @filluponlife496 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome scape. Your tanks look super clean keep up the great work 👍 looking forward to seeing more of those sleek builds

  • @philcarlino6942
    @philcarlino6942 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely love this aquarium, MD. I am inspired! Thank you for sharing now I have to make an Asian blackwater style aquarium. I already have a South American blackwater. Can’t wait to see how this aquarium matures

  • @carolebraswell982
    @carolebraswell982 4 роки тому +1

    This is a gorgeous scape! I could watch this tank for hours. I can't thank you enough for sharing and teaching how you water change and about your filtration systems.

  • @reginaphalanges7331
    @reginaphalanges7331 4 роки тому +3

    This is probably my favorite tank you've done! It's beautiful! I want to build one just like it!💖💖💖

  • @nicolero8130
    @nicolero8130 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for tutorial, i like the stainless steel pipes

  • @callusklaus2413
    @callusklaus2413 3 роки тому +1

    "Alder cones are OP"- This guy I knew from my old LFS.
    The tannins they produce are insane. I don't buy almond leaf anymore.

  • @jamesgrant3343
    @jamesgrant3343 3 роки тому

    Looovely, your plants all look incredible - I’m inspired to try harder! The sparkling gourami are such interesting and beautiful tiny fish, full of personality but not frantic. One of my favourites.

  • @EricLabelleUX
    @EricLabelleUX 4 роки тому +1

    Love the little touches of detail plants in the front! That should all grow in quite nice! Looking forward to the update!!!!

  • @davidbowman2501
    @davidbowman2501 4 роки тому +1

    Great scape! I want to do a licorice gourami scape, but my water is so hard and high pH. The only thing I would have added to that tank is maybe some bright green anubis to the wood.

  • @ryancampion5963
    @ryancampion5963 4 роки тому +3

    Love this new studio. Looks much smarter than the last , ultra modern look great work md

  • @mikef3300
    @mikef3300 4 роки тому

    I really like your naturalistic approach to aquascaping and your upbeat attitude even when problems or mistakes arise. I find myself looking forward to your notification of a new video. Great job once again sir

  • @milkweeddreams8828
    @milkweeddreams8828 4 роки тому +1

    Totally loving it, the stainless shelving is perfect with the filters, the whole effect is calming and organized when walking into the room and your choice of music sets the mood...well done...!

  • @theresaabshire711
    @theresaabshire711 4 роки тому +1

    I love your videos - They are very relaxing to watch. You do beautiful work !

  • @akawpiratestv8759
    @akawpiratestv8759 4 роки тому +1

    I love the your idea in setuping this tank

  • @donadoni4540
    @donadoni4540 4 роки тому

    Uwielbiam takie filmiki o zakładaniu akwarium, super 👍😈😉

  • @porcu12345
    @porcu12345 4 роки тому +1

    Nice. Can't wait to see how it looks when grown in and tannined up.

  • @elizabethmccormick6565
    @elizabethmccormick6565 4 роки тому +1

    One of my favorite scapes so far. Keep up the good work!

  • @lisasaxon7828
    @lisasaxon7828 3 роки тому

    So tiny the SGs...they must be youngish ones. They’re going to love that tank with so many giddy holes. They’ll be croaking n chatting away before no time. When the larger leaves grow at back you could maybe be lucky n get spawning, bubble nest n fry. But they do like larger leaves to make nests under. The red root floaters should do the trick and man they love frolicking in hangin roots. Great scape. I’ll luv to show u my SG tank...also has 5 green neon tetra and 3 platinum half beams but only 1 HB left as of yesterday as I sadly found my boy dead who’d been missing 2 days.

  • @borjagamarradelalamo2744
    @borjagamarradelalamo2744 4 роки тому +1

    Lovely as always. I use ur aquarium builds as an inspiration for my tarantulas enclosures. =D

  • @necromancer-x
    @necromancer-x 3 роки тому +1

    I love your laugh 😊 and these aquariums! Can’t wait to watch your channel grow.
    PS: ((I 💜 sparkling gouramis!))

  • @thehornwortofhornwort9832
    @thehornwortofhornwort9832 4 роки тому +1

    I love blackwater! Amazing stuff on the channel as always

  • @aquascapingac.aquadesigns5284
    @aquascapingac.aquadesigns5284 3 роки тому

    I love your aquascaping style...but i dont agree with you on planting dry...i know you moist often but still it should have some water in the button...but it works for you soo no big deal...congrats and keep doing the great job that you got us used to

  • @jasonhoward8220
    @jasonhoward8220 4 роки тому +1

    Dude you put together some of the coolest scapes and love watching your videos. They always inspire me to change my tanks around. I’m really surprised you haven’t done rainbow fish yet. They are by far my favorite fish and they look so good in a heavy planted tank.

  • @joshhibbs_nola
    @joshhibbs_nola 4 роки тому +1

    Great job! I love it! 👍🏼

  • @passenger3
    @passenger3 4 роки тому

    Fish rooms are looking so good man 👍

  • @zafishguy5166
    @zafishguy5166 4 роки тому

    Such a cool, simple, underrated fish.

  • @tiefff3632
    @tiefff3632 4 роки тому +1

    Try putting some Ember Tetras with the sparkling Gouramis,it'll look nice.

  • @kerrynbosch5171
    @kerrynbosch5171 4 роки тому

    This channel deserves the hype

  • @DolbecAqua
    @DolbecAqua 4 роки тому +1

    Outstanding tank MD! Love the naturalistic look, can't wait to see the 2 week update

  • @kasperkjrsgaard1447
    @kasperkjrsgaard1447 4 роки тому

    In the last ten years i’ve never been without either the Trichopsis pumila or Trichopsis vittata. Got a small gathering of the vittata at the moment together with a school of Trigonostigma espei. They suit each other very well. The vittata do croak a bit more than the pumila too.

  • @SlickNick3
    @SlickNick3 4 роки тому +1

    Beautiful aquarium love how natural everything looks 😍 Only suggestion maybe epiphyte plant to cover where you attached the wood together with the silicone. If I didn’t watch you do it I probably wouldn’t have noticed but since I know it’s there it’s pretty visible. What do I know though I’m here learning from you 🤪

  • @Gaaraape
    @Gaaraape 4 роки тому +6

    Have ever considered keeping pseudomugil-species? :)
    My suggestion for a companion fish to your gouramis is school of norman lampeye killis. They have intensely glowing blue eyes that I that I think will fit really well with the gouramis

  • @DavidTorres-fb9lh
    @DavidTorres-fb9lh 4 роки тому +1

    Hey MD , was wondering if you would ever do fish tanks reviews ? I recently did my first aquascape . Your channel inspired me to give it a shot . 👍🏼

    • @vEGan1909
      @vEGan1909 4 роки тому

      He already did on reddit. But I think MD hasn’t any time for that in the moment because of the new studios.

  • @chillflare8158
    @chillflare8158 4 роки тому +1

    I love all of your videos man, I'd love to see your style of a dwarf cichlid tank. Perhaps kribensis or apistos. Maybe even a ram tank

  • @pradeeproy8566
    @pradeeproy8566 4 роки тому

    Love from India ... Always available on all your videos

  • @Sry_4_nothing
    @Sry_4_nothing 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for making these videos

  • @willstruck2975
    @willstruck2975 4 роки тому +6

    I’ve been keeping sparkling gourami for a bit over a year now and just don’t get rid of them if they are aggressive they will
    Sort it out and it will be awesome eventually.

  • @kristofnagyvari5498
    @kristofnagyvari5498 4 роки тому

    Add some green neon tetras, they look cool in black water setups, or some small rasboras, I love them

  • @oliverpelegrin6380
    @oliverpelegrin6380 4 роки тому

    I love your aquariums and i think what you are doing its a big art and you should start a big museum :D Keep it up :)

  • @pomeroy7
    @pomeroy7 4 роки тому +1

    Amazing as always.

  • @ulrikhansen9061
    @ulrikhansen9061 4 роки тому +1

    Love this scaping! Would really like to see a scaping for the green fosfor barbe 👀

  • @thebluefox7570
    @thebluefox7570 4 роки тому +2

    Love you and your aquariums dude😍♥️

  • @lukewarmairballoon6801
    @lukewarmairballoon6801 4 роки тому +1

    mildly entertaining to see the number of floating plants in the tetra tank slowly go down in the past few weeks as he keeps setting up new tanks

  • @benfarmer8076
    @benfarmer8076 4 роки тому +1

    I was wondering if you’ve done a salt water aquascape? If you haven’t could you please do one because I want to make one. Wouldn’t mind seeing how you would do one.

  • @KenLe1998
    @KenLe1998 4 роки тому +1

    This is much better than buying a 3D decor, putting them together and call that scaping like KingofDiY. You are on another level 👍

  • @se5908
    @se5908 4 роки тому +1

    beautiful neat look of the new tank! love it! =)

  • @paulmarmion358
    @paulmarmion358 4 роки тому

    Another lovely tank 👍

  • @rohitulislamrohan8739
    @rohitulislamrohan8739 4 роки тому +1

    I love the first simple look without plants..
    If you keed the red lobster in this aquarium than it will be great looking aquarium..

  • @spderweb
    @spderweb 4 роки тому

    Looks amazing. Quick question. The tank was only just put together and you add fish right away?? Aren't you supposed to wait a couple weeks for the water cycle?

  • @benji999able
    @benji999able 4 роки тому +11

    Love this video. Have I missed something about the axolotl? Haven’t seen him/her in ages!!

    • @celineeden1457
      @celineeden1457 4 роки тому +5

      Watch „my plants grow too fast“ video at minute 9:04, he gives a little update.

  • @olarudenis1175
    @olarudenis1175 4 роки тому

    Hy,MD. How do you stop the bubbles to go into your filter? I use the glass inflow and lily pipe and my filter is very noisy and produce loads of bubbles in the aquarium.I have to shake the filter every 30 mins because the the flow is reduced when it has loads of bubbles in it. Thanks for your answer. Keep it going!

  • @imnotgoodatthis665
    @imnotgoodatthis665 4 роки тому +1

    I love this channel lol, I'm pretty sure all the fish in the store want to live with MD

  • @johnlumb1078
    @johnlumb1078 3 роки тому

    I love your water change gear I am so envious. I have an eye on a property that will allow me to have an amazing fish room……sorry mum but….

  • @fr_.franco.
    @fr_.franco. 4 роки тому +2

    Hi md i have 2 khuli loaches and the thing ive learnd is they must have plenty of hiding space, what you can do is ad 1 or 2 pieces of dragon rock

  • @PlantswithCoffee
    @PlantswithCoffee 4 роки тому +1

    My hair grass is my gourami’s fave to nip.... 🥰🥰🥰 now, most of my hair grass are floating

  • @ricardosalinas4973
    @ricardosalinas4973 4 роки тому

    Awesome tank 👌 my future fish to get later on