This seems pointless, trying to force the use of techniques to justify something. Retroactively modifying and trying to learn to implement 'traditional' techniques to fill the roll of or serve the same functions or purposes as the guards, strikes or fighting you learned from somewhere else. I think a tutorial for taekwondo guys or karate guys on how to guard themselves would have been far more useful an interesting than how to modify a guard you've already learned to superficially look more like Taekwondo or Karate. This isn't even a real tutorial or a realistic demonstration. Selecting where your partner is allowed to stand and what strikes or movements they're going to do doesn't demonstrate anything. You could deflect or avoid these blows with whatever the hell 'technique' you wanted, why not follow up with a wrist throw, 5 blows the groin and a choke? at 3mins and 9 seconds, how often do you even get that exact counter in sparring or fighting? You even moved away from him throwing his jab to lending you his arm to demonstrate this technique. What does this prove, what's the point of this? at 5 mins 30. Why would you throw a jab to the outside which is then deflected outwards and then intentionally throw a right hand on the outside unless you were setting up a third left hand ? If they already took the first punch to the outside it's going to be easiest for them to just push that arm out further to deflect the follow up.
It's shortcutting/modifying a technique to make it more efficient. A lot of moves are trained in an exaggerated manner and then refined as time goes on. You show me a real black belt ITF sparring match where someone is using full traditional stances and blocks... there won't be one. If you don't already train a basic guard for fighting then I would leave your club immediately unless you are into the sport version of Taekwondo (WT). Plus, I have a fighting stance and guard tutorial up already 😁 3min 9s he would be trying to redirect my hand and feed straight into the right hand at speed. It's explained like that so you can see it. This is in many boxing fights. The point is to not take patterns as self defence and that the movements need to be modified to work more efficiently. Didn't you listen to any of the video 😂 At 5m 30s he explained that he would use his hand placement to manipulate me to take that line for the punch as he's giving me an opening, hence drawing, a tactic used by all fighters. If you watch his fights, you can see him doing this in action against a free thinking opponent. It's a demonstration to explain his points but when you train it enough, it will be more effective when fighting a live opponent, as he has proven by becoming a 11 x World Champion. But hey, what does he know right...... 😂
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Thank you for your response. I'm not criticizing your technique, I'm criticizing this video. Edit: forgot to add that one of my main criticisms is methods of demonstration. I like the idea of martial artists leaving their viewers with lots of drills they can do to immediately work on these things as opposed to 'realistic' demonstrations to justify the concept of something. I agree with you completely that techniques taught in TMA as is can be inefficient for fighting including ITF, right there with you. I agree it's a smart idea not to intentionally do such big, long and exaggerated motions when trying to guard yourself. I have no complaints about any of the techniques I saw at all. I just think the idea of it is sort of pointless. The video sort of implies that for those from Taekwondo or karate backgrounds trying to adapt these motions into actual fighting that they haven't already completed this step. I thought a tutorial on how to guard from scratch rather than try and learn to adapt techniques they clearly didn't already find application for would be more useful than trying to fit a triangle through a square hole. Another idea is a tutorial on some of the things touched on in this. Like your example of drawing, provide some positions or setups to invite someone in and then how to counter the predicted attacks. Some drills they can do to learn to both understand what they're open and how to take advantage, to practice these exact set ups and counters. Or like the example at 5 mins in some drills to learn to spot and exploit a failure in your opponent's guard like for the right hand used in that example. Maybe you already do, even though I'm criticizing the idea of the video I still liked what you guys said and thought the pair of you probably have valuable insights. I plan to have a look at some of your other content. At 3 mins I was talking about something very specific. Catching a jab on the right forearm, grabbing the jab with your left hand and then throwing the right hand over the jab while still holding it with the left hand. It was more a criticism of the demonstration, seemed to be a big contrast from what was being talked about roughly 2 minutes in. I never thought the instructor was actually teaching to counter this way, I thought he was showing throwing the right over the jab. The way he presents it though it looks like he's teaching to block, grab the right hand and then throw the right hand. I don't think I've seen that exact counter very often in boxing. Takes a lot longer to stop a jab with the right hand, switching it over to your left hand to hold onto it and then throwing a right over the top than for them to follow that jab up with the right hand or move their feet. Also awkward to throw a hard right hand after already pivoting inwards to catch and then pull the jab. Again I think that was just a weird part of the demo, not bad technique. What I was criticizing at 5 mins and 30 seconds is that I don't think there's a valid opening for the overhand from that position, it doesn't look inviting because the shoulder is up and the left arm is already sticking out ready to sweep away any punches on the outside and because they're in a position to just lean away from it. The coach was actually explaining not to stand directly in front because you'd be open to the overhand, I was just disagreeing that he's open to the right hand although I agree with him completely that it's defensibly responsible to circle out to the right away from the right hand anyway. I think he'd be more open if the jab was throw intentionally wide or a feint with the right hand to bring that left arm out a bit further and the right hand was then thrown inside the shoulder, even then it seems like an awkward position to land a right hand from.
I've taken boxing and taekwondo. No one should go to Taekwondo to learn how to punch or block. It's useful for learning kicks in my opinion and for flexibility
I appreciate you separating the teaching philosophy from the application. A lot of martial artist get caught in dogma and then are awaken after a right cross. This lesson takes away the fantasy and helps ground it in combat. Well done
I apologize for mentioning another UA-camr, but there's a guy named Iain Abernethy who is really good at finding applications for Karate kata. I'm not an expert, but they seem logical to me.
This is a great idea, trad. MA needs to modernise or it will die out. There is so much good stuff in there that just needs to be made a bit more practical. Less show and more go, basically!
It allready is. Boxing kickboxing and MMA is on a real high level nowadays due to science computers etc. So it's not rocket science. Think of a sword like a katana big moves gets you killed. Just tap it away to the side just a little bit makes you survive. So martial arts is an art and you are the artist how good you wanna become?
Martial arts do. They teach basics with a focus on full technique and form, which is what forms /patterns / Kata reinforce. But when it comes to sparing, whether is is light,, full contacts or even point based sparing, it is up to each student to adapt that technique to their individual body type and fight style
Not to diss the WTF style of Tae Kwon Do but this is the element that they are missing. ITF style Tae Kwon Do gives you the best of both worlds. Self defense and sport. You can make the argument the other way of course less sport in ITF. I would love to see this sect of Tae Kwon Do make a comeback in America.
Very nice video. Thank you .it seems there are times for blocking or receiving and times to cover. Redirect slightly is my practice as it can lead to strong counters
We learn patterns 70% of the time, but it's such a waste to not actually try to implement it in our spars. I really blame the tournament system that greatly influenced our trainings.
Blocks must be short ranged, fast, and explosive. If you start "chasing" punches, you're gonna get feinted and knocked the fuck out with the follow up shot.
Good stuff. In traditional karate what's commonly referred to as a "block" just means "to receive". Experienced karateka realise that most taught "blocks" aren't even blocks, they're either deflections or actual strikes.
I practice Love Taekwondo but I use Karate blocking technique’s. Blocking technique’s that are hard blows to cause extreme pain, even through elbows, punches into opponents kicks or fist if timed correctly. Lots of respect for the Karateka artist. I love TKD kicks are just hard to see coming. People say TKD has no power, that’s a bunch of BS. I know 3 Local Dojangs that have very powerful traditional TKD in the Baton Rouge, LA area. I’ve done Muay Thai and I see the power in it but it’s not my style. I think Martial arts depends on the student and how serious he takes his or her training and understanding the art of fighting and self defense. Thank you for this great tutorial. I can’t wait to show others what I learned from this blocking tutorial. 🙏
Very good! I'm glad to see someone teaching the Taekwondo blocks as they were originally intended! My Master was in his 20's back when Palgwe and Taegeuk were in invented (1967-ish) and this is exactly how he taught me to apply my blocks in sparring and self defense! This doesn't make the forms wrong, as the forms are primarily for memorizing and practicing techniques using a basic method that utilizes the maximum amount of body mechanics. Thus, the more time you have, the more you can rely on the power and stability of the forms, but the one of the primary principles of diverting/deflecting as opposed to simply impacting remains. Covering the head is safer in the short term, but you end up taking all the energy of the strike and are left in a disadvantageous position. These are the kinds of concepts that modern day "traditional" schools are losing or have already lost. Side note: For those of you who think Taekwondo is only good for striking, remember that before it was created (as a sport and basic training for the military) all of its techniques were part of a martial art that included locks, holds, throws and low kicks (said techniques were taken alone and turned into Hapkido), so the truly traditional martial art actually covered all aspects of combat...
Great video. Blocking is always important. It depends on training how much effective it gets. I did sometimes sparring and I felt some difference in blocking after I started to take some boxing classes. Of course, I didn't become any master or "Now I know exactly what to do". But I understood that, with good training, not only blocking becomes more effective but also saves me from trouble or losing focus.
Blocks in forms are like arithmetic in grade school. In forms you do wide movements to train your muscle memory and after time, which can be years, your muscle memory of those blocks are so ingrained you no longer need the wide movements, you execute that block in a smaller, more focused manner. Same thing in grade school. "One plus one equals two!". And a few years down the road in high school, "Divide the equation after getting the sum of the previous multiplication problem!" Same thing! In short, forms do not equal real life, and they were never meant to. That's not their purpose.
That is complete nonsense. To developed motor memory you would train the block only as it's used in sparring ,not a completely different movement that can never be applied.the purpose of the forms is tradition, nothing more.
the issue i see here is as follows: in a real combat, the opponent would trow a lot of punches, not just one. If you do a tradicional martial art defence like these, you can succesfully defent one punch but then you will be open for the next one because the tradicional defence movements do not end in stance that makes you ready for another blow. On my opinion, this is why boxing is so efficient. if you are not a boxer and do not take down a boxer to the ground, you will probably lose the combat.
asd qwe if you watched, that’s why movement is key. People tend to only throw a load of punches when they have closed the distance. Also, a block cut short to make it efficient with an added footwork movement is Great for getting the opponent off balance and to avoid the central line where if doing a combo, the opponent would be committing to. Otherwise, they adjust which puts you in a more favourable position.
Hi. I love yout videos, it really is very interesting what you do. It would be good to add subtitles, especially for those of us who do not understand spoken English.
In Ji Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do we actually train blocks as disabling counterattacks against the attacking limb. Our goal is to damage or cripple the attacker's arm or leg similarly to Filipino Martial Arts' Destruction "Defanging the Snake tactics.
To be pedantic, a fencing guard typically covers one of the four quarters of your torso. For instance, if you are right handed, your sixteen guard covers your right chest and any chest high thrust will most likely be parried with a lateral parry quarte, which corresponds to the red inward blocks. If you guard in the centre line, you may have to parry to either side, rather than just one.
When you look at 19th century boxing manuals, you find that they used the same basic parries as we have in karate. The difference is, as explained in this video, the parrying movements are not wide sweeping things as in the kata, but short and abbreviated.
This video has a lot of what I was always wondering, how to apply the blockages and kickbacks in a more real situation. But generally the attacker does not throw a single punch, it is always a chain ... Maybe something for a next video? Thanks.
The techniques you do properly in training so when you need to use them in defence, the shortened version will be more powerful in respect to if you didn't train in Martial Arts.
I often found the blocking in karate schools to be too over-pronounced and rigid which gave them problems against someone fast and fluid coming from different angles. Usually more the schools that didn't spar much. Kung Fu blocks felt a little more practical as there was more redirection and flow but still required an unbelievable level of timing and reactions. I think the key thing is applying in full contact sparring. Then you learn to keep the movements subtle and only do what can realistically work when going full speed. I definitely think it's an area which is underutilized in MMA though
Agree w 7dayspking.. If you want to learn how to block real punches, jabs, hooks, uppercuts, why not just turn to boxing? These "modified" karate/TKD blocks end up looking like boxing anyway. Every fighting system that attempts to develop effective punching or punching defenses will end up looking like boxing.
From what i know, we have similar blocks in Silat, yes nowadays in competitions we don't do it but the old days they trained their forearm and blocking techniques in such a way the traditional blocks would hurt the opponent who is attacking. Nowadays we tend to parry rather then block. I felt a block before from my now passed master who studied it traditionally not the modern way, it just felt like being hit by a bat, numbing my arm and he didn't even swing his block fully.
The biggest reason traditional “blocks” don’t work is that they’re NOT actually blocks. In my experience based off experimentation and looking at what folks like Patrik MacArthy, Iain Abernathy, etc. teach, these movements are combinations that usually start with either a parry and/or grab and the final hand position that ends up in what’s usually mistakenly called a “block” is actually something else. Depending on the specific technique and application (most of these techniques have several applications, some like the Gedan Barai have almost unlimited applications) this final hand position is a hammer fist to the opponent’s face, throat, elbow, etc. or can even be where you hand ends up after you’ve thrown your opponent. Gedan barai, for example has a LOT of takedown applications.
You're on the right way but what funny is this ain't no taekwondo no more haha. Blocking is actually a delay. So you only have to quide it gently away. Just a slight touch is enough to parry the punch away. Only real sparring shows what works and what not. However lowkicks you defenitly have to block. What you show here is actually a important thing. Lots of people block with the wrong hand. Thinking it's ok and than they can do all sorts of attack. But they don't really do it in a sparring setting. So this video is actually quit good and hopefully people start understand the stand-up fighting part better. If you can't deal wil a punch there is no need to to fight or try to take someone out. If you get knocked out by lets say a simple 1-2 all the chokes and locks are useless. So yeah standing and ground are both important. So well done.
This is not taekwondo, this is classical boxing. This is called "jab", I think. The problem with martial arts vs martial sports is the rules. Did you see some MMA fighter attacking opponent's knees or elbows? Shins, maybe? OK, fists are more or less protected with gloves, then maybe feet? It's a bit hard to fight with you feet aching or traumatised, you know! The time you try something like this you'll get disqualified, although it is not forbidden directly. There's an old joke about biathlon: "I don't understand how someone can take second place if he has a rifle!". In martial arts, 'traditional' blocks also do their job, but only if applied correctly. There are two types of blocks - hard and soft block. Hard block like "bakat palmok maki" is used to hit opponent's limbs hard to unbalance opponent and to injury his limbs. Soft block like "an palmok maki" is used to move opponent's limbs away so he can't hit you, or redirect his movement to unbalance him. In sports, only soft blocks are used, but hard blocks are used ewerywhere else. You can see it in almost every street fight.
Blocking CAN be useful - and Karl shows how, here - but it shouldn't be your first line of defense. As he shows around the halfway mark, moving offline is your best bet, and even if you do block a hybrid with movement is really beneficial. "Best defense: no be there." - Miyagi
Does this work? Is this effective? Blah blah blah..We come across this words across UA-cam lots of times where people, mostly trolls roasting others' styles but I think it's all about you. You are the one to make a particular style or technique work. Some techniques might work for others and some might not, it all depends on individual.
How about NOT using it as "block" but as "limb manipulation tools" in the clinch? Iain Abernathy, Jesse "Karate Nerd" Enkamp and Patrick McCarthy are talking about it. This seems more "practical" than only as blocks (of course you can use them as that... but not the only usage...)
Great analysis guys. I get so frustrated when I see those marital artist Vs mma guy or kickboxing videos. I end up screeming "Move please Move" because that individuals mindset is stuck in kata/form mode, and has not been shown or is unable to translate it to a real fight. Also they may even think that they are not allowed to make adjustments to their blocks, strikes and footwork (how they have been taught or just their mindset). Within all fighting arts is physics, angles, distance, speed, force etc... which you guys just covered. Thank you 👍🏿
I don't know. Although this is a better and more applicable tutorial on how to use/interpret traditional defense techniques, I think there is something fundamentally wrong with a system if this interpretation is even needed. A technique should be practiced in an already applicable way and if it's working or not should be self-evident. Same for striking. You are talking about effeciency. Why learn something in a non-applicable way first and a more efficient way later? Martial arts like Muay Thai and western boxing (as well as most grappling sports) teach their techniques in the most efficient way from the start because anything else is a waste of time. If you enjoy the traditional aspects of classic asian martial arts, go for it. For me personally it turns me off - I rather invest my time improving the things that work.
They are not "blocks" they were never meant to be "blocks" kids we're in 2019, we're using the internet, get your history straight! Where and when did the Taekwondo originated from?
This is the best explanation and tutorial about traditional blocks, in a real fight, you need to be fast and avoid big movements. Adrenaline is spiked up and you’ll fatigue faster.
They work to a point on untrained attackers who throw wild looping punches but not against trained strikes such as boxers. That guy in the video was not throwing was well placed punches. I have practiced karate and boxed in the past.
I feel like there’s this false debate on what techniques are useful in martial arts because tend always put them in the context of fighting other martial artists. On the street you’re most likely not going to fight a trained fighter. If you’re a martial artist protecting yourself from someone who doesn’t train and thinks he’s a tough guy. That allows more techniques to be viable.
Art doesn't have rules..it adapts as time moves on.utilising other Art and adding in to the art you use..sport has rules ..yes sport evolves to a degree but there's always rules. Huge difference in life.
That is impressive dynamics for blocking. Definitely good for using for self defense against people with no experience on the street but someone that knows how to use there hands are just gonna sneak a body shot or worse kick to the stomach.
one of the most comprehensive and realistic approach to one of the most misunderstood elements of traditional martial arts !great thanks for that! and i must add if you wanna look in more deep compare it the blocking in boxing or in mma how they block a kick and the jab are the most obvious realize that are the same techniques use in other environment bruce lee for instance know it an apply it well people think that real martial arts where invented on modern times and all its use less and was invented for no real reason but look it trough the glass of history or science no self deceiving fallacies
Fantastic, what a dynamic duo! Love the principles behind all of this and would love to see you both give your take on how to apply what we learn in TKD patterns. Keep 'em coming! Much appreciated, Taekwon! 🙏
Make sure you take proper break period after attempting 8 or 10 full 540 spinning kicks. Because while attempting like this kind of complex movements ( like flipping , or very advanced kicks like 540 or 720 ) our mind gets exhausted after attempting 5 or 6 at beginning . The the move becomes messed up. So if you don't take gapes after attempting 4 or 5 times , your body will gain some wrong muscle memory. Cause when the brain is exhausted , the movements get wrong. That's why the tip is here , taking some gapes after attempting 4 or 5 times at a time. Don't try to attempt a lot of kicks without taking breaks. It hampers nervous system and make some wrong moves and wrong muscle memory.
Nice. at that distance yes the blocks are still effective - movement now becomes small, but for self-defense at close quarters range they are strikes with full power movement
Less than 30 seconds in , admitting that the blocks will look different than in kata. Thanks for being up front with that. Shouldn't folks, then, practice movements that are closer to the real application?
This seems pointless, trying to force the use of techniques to justify something. Retroactively modifying and trying to learn to implement 'traditional' techniques to fill the roll of or serve the same functions or purposes as the guards, strikes or fighting you learned from somewhere else.
I think a tutorial for taekwondo guys or karate guys on how to guard themselves would have been far more useful an interesting than how to modify a guard you've already learned to superficially look more like Taekwondo or Karate.
This isn't even a real tutorial or a realistic demonstration. Selecting where your partner is allowed to stand and what strikes or movements they're going to do doesn't demonstrate anything. You could deflect or avoid these blows with whatever the hell 'technique' you wanted, why not follow up with a wrist throw, 5 blows the groin and a choke?
at 3mins and 9 seconds, how often do you even get that exact counter in sparring or fighting? You even moved away from him throwing his jab to lending you his arm to demonstrate this technique.
What does this prove, what's the point of this?
at 5 mins 30. Why would you throw a jab to the outside which is then deflected outwards and then intentionally throw a right hand on the outside unless you were setting up a third left hand ? If they already took the first punch to the outside it's going to be easiest for them to just push that arm out further to deflect the follow up.
It's shortcutting/modifying a technique to make it more efficient. A lot of moves are trained in an exaggerated manner and then refined as time goes on. You show me a real black belt ITF sparring match where someone is using full traditional stances and blocks... there won't be one.
If you don't already train a basic guard for fighting then I would leave your club immediately unless you are into the sport version of Taekwondo (WT). Plus, I have a fighting stance and guard tutorial up already 😁
3min 9s he would be trying to redirect my hand and feed straight into the right hand at speed. It's explained like that so you can see it. This is in many boxing fights.
The point is to not take patterns as self defence and that the movements need to be modified to work more efficiently. Didn't you listen to any of the video 😂
At 5m 30s he explained that he would use his hand placement to manipulate me to take that line for the punch as he's giving me an opening, hence drawing, a tactic used by all fighters. If you watch his fights, you can see him doing this in action against a free thinking opponent.
It's a demonstration to explain his points but when you train it enough, it will be more effective when fighting a live opponent, as he has proven by becoming a 11 x World Champion. But hey, what does he know right...... 😂
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Thank you for your response. I'm not criticizing your technique, I'm criticizing this video. Edit: forgot to add that one of my main criticisms is methods of demonstration. I like the idea of martial artists leaving their viewers with lots of drills they can do to immediately work on these things as opposed to 'realistic' demonstrations to justify the concept of something.
I agree with you completely that techniques taught in TMA as is can be inefficient for fighting including ITF, right there with you. I agree it's a smart idea not to intentionally do such big, long and exaggerated motions when trying to guard yourself. I have no complaints about any of the techniques I saw at all. I just think the idea of it is sort of pointless. The video sort of implies that for those from Taekwondo or karate backgrounds trying to adapt these motions into actual fighting that they haven't already completed this step. I thought a tutorial on how to guard from scratch rather than try and learn to adapt techniques they clearly didn't already find application for would be more useful than trying to fit a triangle through a square hole.
Another idea is a tutorial on some of the things touched on in this. Like your example of drawing, provide some positions or setups to invite someone in and then how to counter the predicted attacks. Some drills they can do to learn to both understand what they're open and how to take advantage, to practice these exact set ups and counters. Or like the example at 5 mins in some drills to learn to spot and exploit a failure in your opponent's guard like for the right hand used in that example. Maybe you already do, even though I'm criticizing the idea of the video I still liked what you guys said and thought the pair of you probably have valuable insights. I plan to have a look at some of your other content.
At 3 mins I was talking about something very specific. Catching a jab on the right forearm, grabbing the jab with your left hand and then throwing the right hand over the jab while still holding it with the left hand. It was more a criticism of the demonstration, seemed to be a big contrast from what was being talked about roughly 2 minutes in. I never thought the instructor was actually teaching to counter this way, I thought he was showing throwing the right over the jab. The way he presents it though it looks like he's teaching to block, grab the right hand and then throw the right hand.
I don't think I've seen that exact counter very often in boxing. Takes a lot longer to stop a jab with the right hand, switching it over to your left hand to hold onto it and then throwing a right over the top than for them to follow that jab up with the right hand or move their feet. Also awkward to throw a hard right hand after already pivoting inwards to catch and then pull the jab. Again I think that was just a weird part of the demo, not bad technique.
What I was criticizing at 5 mins and 30 seconds is that I don't think there's a valid opening for the overhand from that position, it doesn't look inviting because the shoulder is up and the left arm is already sticking out ready to sweep away any punches on the outside and because they're in a position to just lean away from it. The coach was actually explaining not to stand directly in front because you'd be open to the overhand, I was just disagreeing that he's open to the right hand although I agree with him completely that it's defensibly responsible to circle out to the right away from the right hand anyway.
I think he'd be more open if the jab was throw intentionally wide or a feint with the right hand to bring that left arm out a bit further and the right hand was then thrown inside the shoulder, even then it seems like an awkward position to land a right hand from.
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Did my last comment work?
I've taken boxing and taekwondo. No one should go to Taekwondo to learn how to punch or block. It's useful for learning kicks in my opinion and for flexibility
@@amandahuginkiss4098 You know that all TKD schools are not the same, right?
I appreciate you separating the teaching philosophy from the application. A lot of martial artist get caught in dogma and then are awaken after a right cross. This lesson takes away the fantasy and helps ground it in combat. Well done
I think all kind of blocks work it's good to have a open mind when learning self defense! 😉👍
I apologize for mentioning another UA-camr, but there's a guy named Iain Abernethy who is really good at finding applications for Karate kata. I'm not an expert, but they seem logical to me.
Excellent analysis, excellent blocking and counterattack technique, displacements, distance and blockages, greetings are essential
Damn,it's been awhile GNT!
Glad to see you posting vids again!
this is insane! u are teaching tkd, I wanna go to your school
This is a great idea, trad. MA needs to modernise or it will die out. There is so much good stuff in there that just needs to be made a bit more practical. Less show and more go, basically!
It allready is. Boxing kickboxing and MMA is on a real high level nowadays due to science computers etc. So it's not rocket science.
Think of a sword like a katana big moves gets you killed. Just tap it away to the side just a little bit makes you survive.
So martial arts is an art and you are the artist how good you wanna become?
Martial arts do. They teach basics with a focus on full technique and form, which is what forms /patterns / Kata reinforce. But when it comes to sparing, whether is is light,, full contacts or even point based sparing, it is up to each student to adapt that technique to their individual body type and fight style
Not to diss the WTF style of Tae Kwon Do but this is the element that they are missing. ITF style Tae Kwon Do gives you the best of both worlds. Self defense and sport. You can make the argument the other way of course less sport in ITF. I would love to see this sect of Tae Kwon Do make a comeback in America.
I really like the info you share, good video keep up the great work
Great video!
Very good explanation.
Taekwon!
Good video. Thanx
They do work depending on the practitioner but great video as always
Very nice video. Thank you
.it seems there are times for blocking or receiving and times to cover. Redirect slightly is my practice as it can lead to strong counters
Depends how you perform it to a point that is useful or not.
Believe to achieve, first believe it can be done, then believe it can be done by you
If you watch bas rutten fight this is how he would block strikes, he came from kyokushin background
No matter what you use to protect yourself
Main thing it depends on you and how good the person is your fighting......
He used wing chun too
Man that was awesome. Tha guy's fast😃
interesante, me suscribo!
With all due respect, the reverse punch is a right (or left) straight in boxing.
Can you 2 do sparring?
The best is not to be there. Stay out of the red zone until you are ready to strike.
We learn patterns 70% of the time, but it's such a waste to not actually try to implement it in our spars. I really blame the tournament system that greatly influenced our trainings.
Blocks must be short ranged, fast, and explosive. If you start "chasing" punches, you're gonna get feinted and knocked the fuck out with the follow up shot.
Good stuff. In traditional karate what's commonly referred to as a "block" just means "to receive". Experienced karateka realise that most taught "blocks" aren't even blocks, they're either deflections or actual strikes.
Luís Marques 👍🏻😁
I practice Love Taekwondo but I use Karate blocking technique’s. Blocking technique’s that are hard blows to cause extreme pain, even through elbows, punches into opponents kicks or fist if timed correctly. Lots of respect for the Karateka artist. I love TKD kicks are just hard to see coming. People say TKD has no power, that’s a bunch of BS. I know 3 Local Dojangs that have very powerful traditional TKD in the Baton Rouge, LA area. I’ve done Muay Thai and I see the power in it but it’s not my style. I think Martial arts depends on the student and how serious he takes his or her training and understanding the art of fighting and self defense. Thank you for this great tutorial. I can’t wait to show others what I learned from this blocking tutorial. 🙏
I see you watch the karate nerd as well
@@bills1377 I do, but this is common knowledge in my style for years :D
And a good block sets you up to counter strike
Very good! I'm glad to see someone teaching the Taekwondo blocks as they were originally intended! My Master was in his 20's back when Palgwe and Taegeuk were in invented (1967-ish) and this is exactly how he taught me to apply my blocks in sparring and self defense! This doesn't make the forms wrong, as the forms are primarily for memorizing and practicing techniques using a basic method that utilizes the maximum amount of body mechanics. Thus, the more time you have, the more you can rely on the power and stability of the forms, but the one of the primary principles of diverting/deflecting as opposed to simply impacting remains. Covering the head is safer in the short term, but you end up taking all the energy of the strike and are left in a disadvantageous position. These are the kinds of concepts that modern day "traditional" schools are losing or have already lost.
Side note: For those of you who think Taekwondo is only good for striking, remember that before it was created (as a sport and basic training for the military) all of its techniques were part of a martial art that included locks, holds, throws and low kicks (said techniques were taken alone and turned into Hapkido), so the truly traditional martial art actually covered all aspects of combat...
Great video. Blocking is always important. It depends on training how much effective it gets. I did sometimes sparring and I felt some difference in blocking after I started to take some boxing classes. Of course, I didn't become any master or "Now I know exactly what to do". But I understood that, with good training, not only blocking becomes more effective but also saves me from trouble or losing focus.
Blocks in forms are like arithmetic in grade school. In forms you do wide movements to train your muscle memory and after time, which can be years, your muscle memory of those blocks are so ingrained you no longer need the wide movements, you execute that block in a smaller, more focused manner. Same thing in grade school. "One plus one equals two!". And a few years down the road in high school, "Divide the equation after getting the sum of the previous multiplication problem!"
Same thing!
In short, forms do not equal real life, and they were never meant to. That's not their purpose.
That is complete nonsense. To developed motor memory you would train the block only as it's used in sparring ,not a completely different movement that can never be applied.the purpose of the forms is tradition, nothing more.
the issue i see here is as follows: in a real combat, the opponent would trow a lot of punches, not just one. If you do a tradicional martial art defence like these, you can succesfully defent one punch but then you will be open for the next one because the tradicional defence movements do not end in stance that makes you ready for another blow. On my opinion, this is why boxing is so efficient. if you are not a boxer and do not take down a boxer to the ground, you will probably lose the combat.
Leg kicks and body kicks anf knees will be effective.
asd qwe if you watched, that’s why movement is key. People tend to only throw a load of punches when they have closed the distance.
Also, a block cut short to make it efficient with an added footwork movement is Great for getting the opponent off balance and to avoid the central line where if doing a combo, the opponent would be committing to. Otherwise, they adjust which puts you in a more favourable position.
I want to give it 1000 likes. Because it answered a very important and typical question by non tai-kwan-do lover..
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I love yout videos, it really is very interesting what you do.
It would be good to add subtitles, especially for those of us who do not understand spoken English.
In Ji Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do we actually train blocks as disabling counterattacks against the attacking limb. Our goal is to damage or cripple the attacker's arm or leg similarly to Filipino Martial Arts' Destruction "Defanging the Snake tactics.
Is that the purpose of one hand pulling to the waist while the other strikes at an elbow's distance?
@@zachin7 Partially, it can help increase the torque of your momentum
The blocks must be fluidity like kenpo...well explained the center line
To be pedantic, a fencing guard typically covers one of the four quarters of your torso. For instance, if you are right handed, your sixteen guard covers your right chest and any chest high thrust will most likely be parried with a lateral parry quarte, which corresponds to the red inward blocks. If you guard in the centre line, you may have to parry to either side, rather than just one.
When you look at 19th century boxing manuals, you find that they used the same basic parries as we have in karate. The difference is, as explained in this video, the parrying movements are not wide sweeping things as in the kata, but short and abbreviated.
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This video has a lot of what I was always wondering, how to apply the blockages and kickbacks in a more real situation. But generally the attacker does not throw a single punch, it is always a chain ...
Maybe something for a next video? Thanks.
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Thank you sir I always wanted to know about martialarts blocks
The techniques you do properly in training so when you need to use them in defence, the shortened version will be more powerful in respect to if you didn't train in Martial Arts.
I often found the blocking in karate schools to be too over-pronounced and rigid which gave them problems against someone fast and fluid coming from different angles. Usually more the schools that didn't spar much. Kung Fu blocks felt a little more practical as there was more redirection and flow but still required an unbelievable level of timing and reactions. I think the key thing is applying in full contact sparring. Then you learn to keep the movements subtle and only do what can realistically work when going full speed. I definitely think it's an area which is underutilized in MMA though
Agree w 7dayspking.. If you want to learn how to block real punches, jabs, hooks, uppercuts, why not just turn to boxing? These "modified" karate/TKD blocks end up looking like boxing anyway.
Every fighting system that attempts to develop effective punching or punching defenses will end up looking like boxing.
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From what i know, we have similar blocks in Silat, yes nowadays in competitions we don't do it but the old days they trained their forearm and blocking techniques in such a way the traditional blocks would hurt the opponent who is attacking. Nowadays we tend to parry rather then block. I felt a block before from my now passed master who studied it traditionally not the modern way, it just felt like being hit by a bat, numbing my arm and he didn't even swing his block fully.
The biggest reason traditional “blocks” don’t work is that they’re NOT actually blocks. In my experience based off experimentation and looking at what folks like Patrik MacArthy, Iain Abernathy, etc. teach, these movements are combinations that usually start with either a parry and/or grab and the final hand position that ends up in what’s usually mistakenly called a “block” is actually something else. Depending on the specific technique and application (most of these techniques have several applications, some like the Gedan Barai have almost unlimited applications) this final hand position is a hammer fist to the opponent’s face, throat, elbow, etc. or can even be where you hand ends up after you’ve thrown your opponent. Gedan barai, for example has a LOT of takedown applications.
You're on the right way but what funny is this ain't no taekwondo no more haha.
Blocking is actually a delay. So you only have to quide it gently away.
Just a slight touch is enough to parry the punch away.
Only real sparring shows what works and what not.
However lowkicks you defenitly have to block.
What you show here is actually a important thing.
Lots of people block with the wrong hand. Thinking it's ok and than they can do all sorts of attack. But they don't really do it in a sparring setting.
So this video is actually quit good and hopefully people start understand the stand-up fighting part better. If you can't deal wil a punch there is no need to to fight or try to take someone out. If you get knocked out by lets say a simple 1-2 all the chokes and locks are useless. So yeah standing and ground are both important. So well done.
Just imagine of you practice this for a thousand time, you will be invincible
They are not blocks
This is not taekwondo, this is classical boxing. This is called "jab", I think.
The problem with martial arts vs martial sports is the rules. Did you see some MMA fighter attacking opponent's knees or elbows? Shins, maybe? OK, fists are more or less protected with gloves, then maybe feet? It's a bit hard to fight with you feet aching or traumatised, you know! The time you try something like this you'll get disqualified, although it is not forbidden directly.
There's an old joke about biathlon: "I don't understand how someone can take second place if he has a rifle!". In martial arts, 'traditional' blocks also do their job, but only if applied correctly. There are two types of blocks - hard and soft block. Hard block like "bakat palmok maki" is used to hit opponent's limbs hard to unbalance opponent and to injury his limbs. Soft block like "an palmok maki" is used to move opponent's limbs away so he can't hit you, or redirect his movement to unbalance him. In sports, only soft blocks are used, but hard blocks are used ewerywhere else. You can see it in almost every street fight.
Blocking CAN be useful - and Karl shows how, here - but it shouldn't be your first line of defense. As he shows around the halfway mark, moving offline is your best bet, and even if you do block a hybrid with movement is really beneficial.
"Best defense: no be there." - Miyagi
Does this work? Is this effective? Blah blah blah..We come across this words across UA-cam lots of times where people, mostly trolls roasting others' styles but I think it's all about you. You are the one to make a particular style or technique work. Some techniques might work for others and some might not, it all depends on individual.
How about NOT using it as "block" but as "limb manipulation tools" in the clinch? Iain Abernathy, Jesse "Karate Nerd" Enkamp and Patrick McCarthy are talking about it. This seems more "practical" than only as blocks (of course you can use them as that... but not the only usage...)
Great analysis guys. I get so frustrated when I see those marital artist Vs mma guy or kickboxing videos. I end up screeming "Move please Move" because that individuals mindset is stuck in kata/form mode, and has not been shown or is unable to translate it to a real fight. Also they may even think that they are not allowed to make adjustments to their blocks, strikes and footwork (how they have been taught or just their mindset). Within all fighting arts is physics, angles, distance, speed, force etc... which you guys just covered. Thank you 👍🏿
I don't know. Although this is a better and more applicable tutorial on how to use/interpret traditional defense techniques, I think there is something fundamentally wrong with a system if this interpretation is even needed. A technique should be practiced in an already applicable way and if it's working or not should be self-evident. Same for striking. You are talking about effeciency. Why learn something in a non-applicable way first and a more efficient way later? Martial arts like Muay Thai and western boxing (as well as most grappling sports) teach their techniques in the most efficient way from the start because anything else is a waste of time. If you enjoy the traditional aspects of classic asian martial arts, go for it. For me personally it turns me off - I rather invest my time improving the things that work.
Yeees i waited so long for this video
They are not "blocks" they were never meant to be "blocks" kids we're in 2019, we're using the internet, get your history straight! Where and when did the Taekwondo originated from?
A good block is as good as a punch. Blocking works. I’d prefer solid blocking then trying to box a boxer.
This is the best explanation and tutorial about traditional blocks, in a real fight, you need to be fast and avoid big movements. Adrenaline is spiked up and you’ll fatigue faster.
Good training video
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They work to a point on untrained attackers who throw wild looping punches but not against trained strikes such as boxers. That guy in the video was not throwing was well placed punches. I have practiced karate and boxed in the past.
I feel like there’s this false debate on what techniques are useful in martial arts because tend always put them in the context of fighting other martial artists. On the street you’re most likely not going to fight a trained fighter. If you’re a martial artist protecting yourself from someone who doesn’t train and thinks he’s a tough guy. That allows more techniques to be viable.
Art doesn't have rules..it adapts as time moves on.utilising other Art and adding in to the art you use..sport has rules ..yes sport evolves to a degree but there's always rules. Huge difference in life.
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That is impressive dynamics for blocking. Definitely good for using for self defense against people with no experience on the street but someone that knows how to use there hands are just gonna sneak a body shot or worse kick to the stomach.
Yes Karate blocks does work in a real fight especially against kicking and knee strikes or against grappling attacks but not against punching much 👍
Martial arts blocks are essential because it gives you a chance to back away
And decide your next attack
And helps you servive longer
one of the most comprehensive and realistic approach to one of the most misunderstood elements of traditional martial arts
!great thanks for that!
and i must add if you wanna look in more deep compare it the blocking in boxing or in mma
how they block a kick and the jab are the most obvious
realize that are the same techniques use in other environment
bruce lee for instance know it an apply it well
people think that real martial arts where invented on modern times and all its use less and was invented for no real reason
but look it trough the glass of history or science no self deceiving fallacies
😂😂😂Perfect training instructions from the grand master!😊😊😊
Years ago I had to defend myself and I used a high block to strike my attacker in the chin. Knocked him out.
Square peg round hole. Trying to fit esoteric techniques to modern acts of violence. Waste of time
No. Thats why you see best fighters keep their hands down and bob and weave instead.
Is it just me, or does the man in the background at 1:16 have a face that reminds me of a meme...
Fantastic, what a dynamic duo! Love the principles behind all of this and would love to see you both give your take on how to apply what we learn in TKD patterns. Keep 'em coming! Much appreciated, Taekwon! 🙏
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Currently learning 540 hook any tips pls help 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Make sure you take proper break period after attempting 8 or 10 full 540 spinning kicks. Because while attempting like this kind of complex movements ( like flipping , or very advanced kicks like 540 or 720 ) our mind gets exhausted after attempting 5 or 6 at beginning . The the move becomes messed up. So if you don't take gapes after attempting 4 or 5 times , your body will gain some wrong muscle memory. Cause when the brain is exhausted , the movements get wrong.
That's why the tip is here , taking some gapes after attempting 4 or 5 times at a time. Don't try to attempt a lot of kicks without taking breaks. It hampers nervous system and make some wrong moves and wrong muscle memory.
@@binabedin9823 thanks I really appreciate it
Attempting traditional blocking in kung fu class as a teenager is what got me my first concussion
Shows you know how to actually fight👊Respect 🙏
Nice. at that distance yes the blocks are still effective - movement now becomes small, but for self-defense at close quarters range they are strikes with full power movement
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The blocking hand comes from inside? Is that the art of ITF?
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Excellent! thanks for sharing!
Can u do sparring techniques like attacking and defending
Ibtisam 123 For sure 😁
Ginger Ninja Trickster Thanks do u have an idea of wen you’ll make it
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Can you do footwork and closing the distance?
Wow! I never knew TKD guys had hands!
Are you guys ITF?
yeah, tha pants say so
Says ITF on their Doboks
Excellent video, very didactic as always. It is funny how great boxers and mma fighters do that instinctively :D
Nobody does it instinctively,instinctive is close your eyes and reach out and get plastered in the face.
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That guy has these blocks on lockdown good stuff
Less than 30 seconds in , admitting that the blocks will look different than in kata. Thanks for being up front with that. Shouldn't folks, then, practice movements that are closer to the real application?
It's common for movements to be exaggerated to learn and when you know the full motion, you cut the corners to make it more efficient 😁
Don’t doubt your skill, your ability, or yourself
I learned many things with this video thanks sir 🙏
SAM Brock 2 Awesome 😎 😁
They doesnt work with no gloves
Sparring session with Van Roon
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Very good information. I liked the practicality of the traditional aspects.
Thanks for making this video
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Been looking for a video like this, very nice
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Fantastic video thank you
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