What's the Best Way to Write Notes?

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    === Timestamps ===
    0:00 Note-taking
    0:16 How to take notes for a new class
    0:59 What actually happens when you take notes
    1:23 What good note taking looks like
    2:30 Good note-taking allows for deep processing
    4:20 Intuitive vs logical
    7:23 Should I type or handwrite my notes?
    12:48 How do you transition to freehand notes?
    17:31 How can you tell if your notes are effective?
    20:26 Getting questions right doesn't matter
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  • @JustinSung
    @JustinSung  Місяць тому

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  • @DerangedFocus
    @DerangedFocus Рік тому +224

    My notes/conclusions from this:
    1) Minimum viable notes: In lectures, you should write/draw as little as necessary such that you have all of the concepts and crucial details noted but you're also letting your brain do some of the heavy lifting too (by asking questions, critically thinking during the lecture, interacting etc.)
    2) Structuring stage: When processing and refining your notes, you work from your domain of knowledge (your schema level) such that all the structures, concept groups and notes written/drawn down are intuitive and drop dead obvious.
    3) Relationships between concepts: Zettlekasten is amazing for being creative and having insights into how your domain of knowledge can be used but for the purpose of exams, you don't want everything linked together. Thus, critically think about which relationships have utility, prioritise them, and fully represent what that relationship is in your notes (as opposed to just an arrow, for example).
    4) Free-hand intuitive diagrams is king
    5) See your learning progression by testing yourself with difficult questions
    5a) With difficult questions, pick out the conceptual variables and change them around, switch them out to see how that affects the way you answer that question and it's difficulty.
    6) Emotion has a close link with your knowledge. If you are being tested but don't feel confident, it doesn't matter because there can a lack of intuitiveness with the information or a logical gap, we can't know for sure. On the other hand, if you did feel confident but you got a question wrong, the information was intuitive but there was simply a piece of information, perspective or logical link that you missed that you need to look over and fix.

    • @gustavoteles5994
      @gustavoteles5994 10 місяців тому +2

      Thanks

    • @potatoesrsocool6698
      @potatoesrsocool6698 10 місяців тому +1

      beautiful thank you!

    • @hannah__jemima
      @hannah__jemima 9 місяців тому +7

      The guy who consistently did the best in our college wrote almost everything the lecturer said, almost verbatim. One of the girls who got top of the year went a step further and sat near the front with a dictaphone. I could never understand it at the time - I didn't know what higher order learning was but what they were doing seemed like a waste of time. They would leave the lecture happy and relaxed, probably with a high-level overview, and might comment that a lecture seemed packed and there'd be a lot to go through for later.
      In contrast, I would annotate the handouts with summaries of what the lecturer was saying, and burn my brain out trying to make those higher order connections mentally whilst keeping up with the pace of the lecture. I'd feel increasingly overwhelmed. I get triggered easily, so that would scare me, which is counterproductive because this kind of emotion switches off the area of your brain responsible for learning and storing memories. I'd miss bits the lecturer said which could've been important, because mentally I was somewhere else (behind). The time pressure encouraged me to run with tentative but not fully-thought-through connections (ie. assumptions) and attempt to build off those, which would result in them getting strengthened. Problem was, if they were wrong, later content which built on them would not make sense. When I was learning piano I was always told that it's harder to unlearn a mistake than to learn correctly to begin with. Then my brain would get no rest as I frantically tried to catch up in the 5 minute break before the next lecture.
      No video recordings of lectures were posted online, and for some, handouts/Powerpoints weren't either. Maybe at Oxford pace was especially fast because for chemistry the course was packed into 2-3 lectures a Mon-Fri over three 8-week terms for three years. Most unis have longer terms. So I presume the purpose of the successful students' strategy was to make sure nothing got missed, and then with the full picture (less a picture and more scrawled linear notes), do the heavy lifting later, when they had the time to experiment with connections and settle on the ones which were most correct. Then from there, put pen to paper and format the notes logically. The guy from my college was also not a fan of 9am.
      I wonder if they had a stronger mind-body connection so did not ignore biofeedback that their brains were reaching their capacity for cognitive load during the lecture, and designed their strategy to account for this. Even the geniuses had a capacity limit. I would just keep pushing. If the lecture is going too fast for you to do your higher order thinking and cannot be paused - delay it. Probably not such an issue these days when you can watch recorded lectures at your own pace.
      Thanks Justin for great content.

    • @iReaperYo
      @iReaperYo 8 місяців тому +1

      @@hannah__jemima Very interesting read. For you to be struggling at oxford just shows the level it takes to even be there. Even then, there are a few elites who intuitively know the best way to retain information or have the processes down to a T by this point in their education. Thriving in such an environment must gurantee success in life.

  • @neuronswag8493
    @neuronswag8493 Рік тому +153

    Notes should be intuitive- easier to predict what the next info should be
    - Notes should not be linear
    - create meaningful relationships (place info relations in a specific order using infinite canvas)
    - Think about multiple relationships. For eg. How is C linked with B and if C is removed - how will it effect B?

    • @koyuki6113
      @koyuki6113 Рік тому +7

      You forgot to write down that you have to balance both intuitive and logical

    • @FrostDirt
      @FrostDirt Рік тому

      @@koyuki6113 I think you mean intuitive and rigorous. Intuition is based on rudimentary logic.

    • @koyuki6113
      @koyuki6113 Рік тому +1

      @@FrostDirt it was from summarizing the video, not from an actual complete definition stand point.

  • @dr.rosiekim3060
    @dr.rosiekim3060 Рік тому +105

    “Knowledge is nonlinear and it’s relational inherently so everything will end up being related to everything “-dr Justin sign
    This is making so much sense it explains why I wasn’t able to get into notion or obsidian when trying to use it for making connections that I wanted to remember . Those things work for what you don’t want to remember and want to offload the relations eg HR management schedules etc. glad I could relieve myself of this worry lol.

    • @RameshKumar-ng3nf
      @RameshKumar-ng3nf Рік тому +4

      There is a app which is every good in linking relationships . It is logseq. I am using it since 3 months and completely changed my life.

    • @shreyap3705
      @shreyap3705 11 місяців тому

      you could try writing "atomic" notes instead. Just divide the notes into each topic then it gets easier to connect them

    • @hikikomorihachiman7491
      @hikikomorihachiman7491 10 місяців тому +2

      Sorry but could you explain why weren’t able to get into obsidian?
      I have been making rigorous planning to use obsidian by watching all the how to videos related to it.
      So reading your sentence kinda scared me.
      So no being able to get into it= you didn’t liked it= because it was useless?
      Or am I misunderstanding here?

    • @hm.maybe.7344
      @hm.maybe.7344 10 місяців тому +1

      ​​​@@hikikomorihachiman7491 I think they meant the way they used it wasn't effective, they had used it to figure out connections and about the topic they want to remember, which the mind is meant to do. Using obsidian and notion is more for keeping information, usually unrelated to the topic. If it is used, it should be to help the brain get the concept.

  • @yohaizilber
    @yohaizilber Рік тому +268

    The secret to a GOOD note taking habit is anchoring what you have learned to your own subjective reality.

    • @Abdouu_700
      @Abdouu_700 Рік тому +6

      What do you mean

    • @camille_rend7735
      @camille_rend7735 Рік тому +18

      More often than not, there are things that you learn that is very hard to *anchor* to your subjective reality, when the said concepts don't make a substantial change Or a perceivable difference in your reality, no?

    • @user-ii2hj2bd7e
      @user-ii2hj2bd7e Рік тому

      Can you give example

    • @user-ii2hj2bd7e
      @user-ii2hj2bd7e Рік тому

      @@camille_rend7735 what does anchor mean can u plz explain by example

    • @camille_rend7735
      @camille_rend7735 Рік тому +2

      @@user-ii2hj2bd7e anchor is that heavy thing that you throw off ships to make them stay somewhere

  • @AmIWhatIAm
    @AmIWhatIAm Рік тому +81

    Wow I can't believe this 😂 I watched their videos the day before about studying too and I was like "it would be cool if they collaborated with Justin Sung" and this happened 😱

  • @JustinSung
    @JustinSung  Рік тому +176

    How do you take notes?
    Who's switching from typed to freehand here? Let me know down below 👇

    • @rahatali365
      @rahatali365 Рік тому +17

      I was always freehand! From Bangladesh!!!

    • @dread3202
      @dread3202 Рік тому +10

      As soon as I joined the course, I switched. Never went back.

    • @abeer6383
      @abeer6383 Рік тому +7

      Always free hand Justin Sir.
      As you said notes should represent what is the thinking process in the brain and they should not be linear.

    • @rinzzlerr963
      @rinzzlerr963 Рік тому +4

      I use both but mostly handwritten

    • @productivity6693
      @productivity6693 Рік тому +6

      Mr. Hoorn takes notes in an Analog Zettelkasten/Antinet.
      But now he has the scientific knowledge to explain why it works for learning... (Not from this video, but from the science I read.)
      Again, Mister Sung, thank you for sending me that list about cognitive effects and learning concepts. It got me started in research.

  • @thatonedog819
    @thatonedog819 2 місяці тому +3

    I have not had an English class in almost 9 years and I still think he gave a better explanation on how to analyze a book than any of my English teachers

  • @leonardlorbonde2966
    @leonardlorbonde2966 Рік тому +21

    The thing you said about intuitive and logical spoke what i couldn't say. I realized I've been relying on the lectures prof give us and not making relationships or making it logical. I will practice this thing from now on. Thanks for that. 谢谢

  • @fastmushroom902
    @fastmushroom902 10 місяців тому +41

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:00 📚 Note-taking aligns information with thinking processes.
    01:07 🧠 Good notes reduce mental load and deepen thinking.
    02:14 📝 Balance note quantity for effective learning.
    03:52 🧠 Higher-order thinking connects concepts.
    06:11 🧩 Prioritize meaningful information grouping.
    09:35 🖋️ Freehand note-taking aids thought representation.
    13:08 💻 Engage higher-level thinking when typing notes.
    15:42 👣 Transition consciously to freehand for deeper learning.
    17:02 🔍 Evaluate notes for retention and comfort.
    20:21 📚 Quality notes blend comfort and manipulation.
    21:01 🧐 Gaps in confident answers indicate understanding gaps.
    21:42 📚 Overconfidence can lead to missed perspectives.
    21:56 🕵️‍♂️ Lack of perspective despite confidence shows thinking gap.
    22:38 🤯 Thinking methods are transferable across concepts.
    23:05 🔍 Testing reveals thinking methods, not just answers.
    23:19 🧩 Missing variables can result from poor information structure.
    23:46 🧠 Logical thinking aids in avoiding missing perspectives.
    Made with HARPA AI

  • @UnsolicitedThoughtsOfARose
    @UnsolicitedThoughtsOfARose Рік тому +10

    Very helpful tips! I struggle a lot with notetaking, especially in chem classes. I am physically disabled and cannot hold a writing utensil to take notes. I used to love handwriting my notes and it seemed so much more effective. Now, I am going through any software I can try to hopefully recreate that feeling.

  • @ninapeterson8241
    @ninapeterson8241 Рік тому +14

    This was so mind opening! I’m starting school soon after an 6/7yr break. I’m going to watch all of Justin’s videos before I start. This type of thinking and knowledge is exactly what I’ve seen searching for.

    • @code-one9879
      @code-one9879 11 місяців тому +2

      so how well are you doing now?

  • @SarahMiller-pj7dm
    @SarahMiller-pj7dm 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm trying to help my sibling learn how to take notes in classes that are not standard - I'm already convinced Sung has got this down to the core of learning process and recall, and that it can work for what I need. I'm going to be sticking around here.

  • @thestudier6600
    @thestudier6600 Рік тому +47

    I watch everything from you two😊
    For academic research and writing, i use excell sheets; it allows me to see 20 papers summerised and in chronological order on one screen. This helps me connect the time and thought processes behind randomised studies.
    I cannot read my handwriting😅 Every mindmap i make endsup un-reviewable.
    Thank you for these advices.

    • @general9064
      @general9064 Рік тому

      Then you should check his mindmap video.

    • @viracocha2021
      @viracocha2021 Рік тому

      Could you expand on your technique?

    • @erikanicolelopez2055
      @erikanicolelopez2055 Рік тому

      @thestudier6600 How do you use excel for academic research and grades? Could you explain? please

  • @aves6739
    @aves6739 Рік тому +1

    Ahhh my two favourite channels!!!
    I was so excited I've never clicked on a video faster in my life.

  • @DannyHatcherTech
    @DannyHatcherTech Рік тому +31

    Thoughts while watching:
    What does learning a new class mean? pass the test, depth of understanding, applying to practice...
    Who decideds what is unneccesary?
    what does deeper processing mean? - what is processing?
    bypass learning or consumption of information?
    Higher order learning is what in practice?
    Obvious doesn't mean correct, so how do you know what grouping is accurate relative to the question?
    Writing helps with a process - how do you know if it is or isn't helping?
    Purposesless for how to take notes - agreed!
    Relational apps - why pick Notion 😆Obsidian, Remnote, Logseq, Roam....
    more words less understanding - if the note taker isn't aware of affordances and constraints of their knowledge
    why move from typing to handwriting? why not improve their ability to capture information (become a better notetaker)
    feedback awareness from parctice - seems like that could apply to handwritten or typed notetaking
    retrieval practice YES not active recall...
    higher level of learning - or deeper understanding?
    confidence conversations seems to be shallow overlooking metaignorance
    Great conversation, would love to have been in that call 😆

    • @paweszymanek1097
      @paweszymanek1097 9 місяців тому

      I think Zettelkasten is still usefull. It's powerful tool to keep very diffrent information in one place. And it also has a lots of features to filter what you want to your creative process.

    • @DannyHatcherTech
      @DannyHatcherTech 9 місяців тому

      @@paweszymanek1097 What does zettlekasten do that isn't available in any other notes?

  • @dr.rosiekim3060
    @dr.rosiekim3060 Рік тому +3

    Also I’ve been waiting for this collab Since the hints dropped! Loved it

  • @idontknow-ms8mc
    @idontknow-ms8mc Рік тому +3

    Great conversation! Love this. So many gems.

  • @bronzong91
    @bronzong91 Рік тому +14

    Justin I was quite critical of your last video. I think you are more articulate and convincing here. The idea that your training should reflect the exam. I totally agree. At uni I only took a few notes and got a first. I was doing all your techniques without realizing. Now I am a teacher which is the most fantastic way to learn anything and I will be starting my 7 year olds with some note taking skills soon. To me, learning is about making the connections in our knowledge meaningful to us as individuals. The more intense the experience the better the learning. Thr experience can be artificially augmented through effective note taking. So notetaking should be experiential or noteworthy! Haha! So thats what that means. In theory one could make an exam that simply tested a kids knowledge by making them map out their knowledge of thr subject and then assessing the notes!

  • @Werisetilldeath
    @Werisetilldeath Рік тому +1

    Your videos are a gem, thank you Justin!

  • @BenjaminLStewart
    @BenjaminLStewart Рік тому +7

    11:06 "... if you are typing something verbatim..." - agreed. But one could also paraphrase (taking typed notes) which slows down the process as well. I'm thinking of a combination of taking typed, paraphrased notes with embedded relational links, flash cards (along with other cognitive & social strategies), a knowledge graph, multimodal references from audio, video, & images (as inputs), and multimodal notes (also audio, video, & images) (as outputs) collectively would contribute to one's ability to recall information, IMHO.

  • @hedgedoge5562
    @hedgedoge5562 Рік тому +13

    I'll definitely be watching your Ted talk Justin, keep up the incredible content, I find any video you make helpful, regardless of whether they're long or short.
    Take my sub hahahaa

    • @JustinSung
      @JustinSung  Рік тому +7

      Stay tuned! Appreciate your support :)

  • @feebleh
    @feebleh Рік тому +2

    I love you two and both of you guys helped my studying a lot!

  • @biscuitsofdeath
    @biscuitsofdeath 6 місяців тому

    lol, I love the "Just record it with a voice recorder". Totally! I've started really thinking about why am I writing things down. Even by hand, why? I'm either writing things down because I don't want to remember it, or I'm trying consolidate all the info I just heard and picking out the important bits ( but that happens after the lecture or meeting).

  • @brittanniadias
    @brittanniadias Рік тому +37

    hey guys, ever since i've started watching you guys, I've got to say, I feel like I've improved on learning but note-taking overall is still a hard skill to acquire but I'm trying my best :)

  • @koyuki6113
    @koyuki6113 Рік тому +10

    Honestly, an ipad with the app concepts saved me so much time in uni compared to just plain paper, when you're in a lec or just sitting at your study desk, you can easily hop between notes to fill in gaps that clicked for you as a light bulb moment and you don't have to search around for where you left the paper. You can also easily move and drag around everything and delete stuff to almost perfectly represent how your mind is thinking but on paper.

    • @NO-nh3kt
      @NO-nh3kt Рік тому

      Is concepts the only notetaking tool you're using?

    • @koyuki6113
      @koyuki6113 Рік тому

      @@NO-nh3kt I sometimes use paper for easy referal to write down ‘questions’, since plain paper is static so you can see it from anywhere if you have it next to you, but I throw it away afterwards

    • @xdkankaxd5427
      @xdkankaxd5427 9 місяців тому

      Damn i wish i was rich too

    • @koyuki6113
      @koyuki6113 9 місяців тому

      @@xdkankaxd5427 I ain't rich, I just save up money and use my money sparingly. Income of only 900 euros a month.

  • @Flampo
    @Flampo 5 місяців тому +1

    Good video. It became natural to me to think in ways that consider as many perspectives or factors. Its cool to find out that is a way of thinking that helps with learning. Makes sense, because its like wanting to be right about something so to test the logic against various situations will lead towards being sure of it.

  • @victoricus1
    @victoricus1 Рік тому +16

    I take hand-writtent notes, because it is a way of kinesthetic learning. And dont forget that writing has a good therapeutic effect, it calms you down and helps you get more immersed in studying. It almost becomes a ritual

  • @TheInternetFan
    @TheInternetFan 11 місяців тому +2

    15:10 15:55
    #1 start with typed note-taking (while you think critically about the information); don't transcribe, apply higher-order thinking
    #2 start framing concepts on a piece of paper.

  • @cirkusanette
    @cirkusanette 9 місяців тому

    I think a combo of both is great. I use RemNote to make flash cards so I kinda have to take my notes digitally, plus some teachers just go too fast for me to have time to make the meaningful connections. Plus I am in computer engineering so writing code by hand is horrible. I’ve found that taking my notes in RemNote during class ends up more linear, but I have the added bonus of flash cards. I then convert those notes to handwritten notes to make the connections rather than writing actual definitions or processes. It works for studying and you have both the understanding and the remembering part

  • @VanesaEnglish-wu8ct
    @VanesaEnglish-wu8ct 3 місяці тому

    Genial, me encantas ambos!!! muchas gracias por compartir 🙌🤩

  • @theav.1313
    @theav.1313 Рік тому

    I could listen to Justin all day!

  • @oscarernstyung1051
    @oscarernstyung1051 Рік тому +1

    Always support you guys !!!

  • @annmariyajohnson8295
    @annmariyajohnson8295 Рік тому +3

    Justin I have a question...Can u pls explain a complete step by step approach and how to know milestones you've reached...it will be very very helpful

  • @psychoctapus8069
    @psychoctapus8069 Рік тому +3

    ever since I’ve started learning like you advise I’ve started to burn so much more energy and I keep having to eat so much more and its so hard to keep up. I end up being able to learn so much more effectively and I’ve been performing so well in school so it’s worth it.

    • @akviliux
      @akviliux Рік тому

      what was the advise?

  • @weshallneversurrender
    @weshallneversurrender Рік тому +7

    Hey Justin! Your videos are so interesting. I have been intrigued by them lately and have been thinking about how to apply some of your techniques. One thing I realise though is that some of these concepts seem kind of difficult to apply in the context of language learning. So for example, trying to memorise words or grammatical concepts. These seem to rely more upon just pure rote memorization than anything else. Is that true or is there something I am missing? I have been trying to find whether you perhaps did a video on this at some stage, but no luck yet, so thought it's maybe better to ask.
    Anyway, thanks for the amazing content!

    • @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM
      @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM Рік тому

      I am no expert in any field. However, I graduated from an associate degree in construction management. I have always fantasized about starting a UA-cam channel where you learn business level Spanish with a funny combination of Roman style, "[M]ens sana in corpore sano,"
      and
      Mr Miyagi twist, "sound the sign, sound the floor!"
      Anyway, I have learned or realized language is like anything else, especially math, where you build from virgin untouched land to a beautiful structure over time. It is always over a stretch of time.
      It is a managed project. It requires the basic 3: time, resources, and a budget.
      You see, a building requires:
      1. geologically sound ground (mind), 2. equipment (pencils, pens, books, notebooks, computers, etc.),
      3. labor (AKA, you),
      4. type of "structure" being envisioned to be built (any building, calculus, Spanish, English, arithmetic, German, Japanese, multiplying, division, medicine, etc.)
      5. Plans
      6. Permit (u can do this if you want to, if you allow yourself, if you simply come to the realization that all it takes is desire to want to do it and stick with the project to forever be learning as lifelong project)
      6. How? REVERSE GANTT CHART
      7. Components of this language and the interrelations of each one and which one to tackle first that will sinergize the next component
      For example:
      -realizing Castillian Spanish(Spain has more than one language) is a mix of Latin, Greek, and Arabic.
      -like the FBI creates a behavioral profile of the mind behind a criminal, so must you ask all the W's (who, what, when, where, why). Why refers to the significance of what is being learned in relation to whatever matters to you, to the world, whatever...
      -why does Spanish behave the way it does in relation to, let's say, English (look up Wikipedia and search, "Spanish language."). Why is it, EMBARRASS & EMBARAZAR come from Italy etymologically but have different meanings.
      8. Pareto principle-the famous 80-20 rule to establish a schedule of tasks to be completed to more efficiently achieve your goal faster and not slower.
      Example of activities to complete, but in what order? Good! Now we are engaged:
      1. Behavioral Profile
      2. Make yourself a promise that everything you learn you will start applying right away. Ask why this and why that? How this and how can this be like this and not that? Who? What? When? Where? Why?
      -Make a game of what you learn. Make a silly song. Dance to it. -Shopping? Make a list in Spanish and use it often.
      -Have you ever looked at the chemical periodical table and wondered why is it that way? It uses a lot of Latin. How can I remember all that? AU=aurum or ORO in Spanish. AG=argentum, just Argentina because it has a lot of silver or plata in Spanish.
      Medical terms
      -stomach is estomago in Spanish but vientre is the formal term. Can't seem to distinguish ventral vs dorsal. Now you can!
      In conclusion, get technical in learning, be like a robot at first, get physical, get creative like an artist and use it like a mad person until you push it to an ARTFORM! PLUS ULTRA!!!!
      3. Basics- alphabet and how they sound out individually and creating different kinds of syllables and when are accents (tildes) applied and learning how they affect pronunciation and MEANING as well!
      4. leave verb conjugations for later and concentrate on very simple tenses at first.
      5. Use your mind like an infinite canvas, like AutoCAD, like a 3 dimensional view of how it is coming together. Does it look right? Does it makes sense? Can you mentally create variables? Colors? Texture? Height? Depth? Width? Can you see real world applications so far? Keep pushing! Can you PERCEIVE it from ANY angle? Then, any question your client (AKA, teacher) can come up with, you WILL be able TO ANSWER!!!!
      6. Build up from the ground, see the foundations, walls, framing of supporting structures, roof, enclosure of building envelop, how you enter and exit, can you see it? Then go with Sancho Panza and kill that DRAGON!!!
      7. AND MORE!
      I AM DONE. I need to sleep...

  • @tushaar02
    @tushaar02 Рік тому

    great video
    enjoyed listeninging to it while solving questions

  • @adan4477
    @adan4477 Рік тому

    감사합니다 선생님들

  • @LeeVini128
    @LeeVini128 10 місяців тому +1

    My most favourite 2 study coaches ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @patho977
    @patho977 Рік тому +1

    A great alternative to concepts is nebo! They have notes (infinite canvas) and documents (structured document) with excellent handwriting recognition. I prefer it because as you mention concepts is over featured and for me too difficult and distracting. Another free app that came with the new IPad OS 16.1 is Freeform.

  • @Ray_Argues
    @Ray_Argues Рік тому +6

    I think we need a deep dive on the discussion regarding intuitive and logical. That is a really interesting perspective and I think you haven't homed in on your point on that here. I feel like you want to say more. Great discussion. 👍

  • @ReflectionOcean
    @ReflectionOcean 9 місяців тому +2

    Note-taking is a popular trend, especially with school starting up again. Good note-taking should achieve two objectives: documenting information and facilitating cognitive processes. Note-taking allows you to offload unnecessary mental load so you can focus on deeper thinking. Linear note-taking is ineffective and limits learning. Freehand note-taking is better than typing because it forces you to be stricter with what you write and helps with retention. Transitioning from typing to freehand can be challenging but can be done by starting with keywords and ideas. Confidence and comfort with the information are indicators of good note-taking. Testing yourself with challenging questions and focusing on confidence rather than correctness can help improve note-taking. Confidence can reveal gaps in your knowledge and perspectives. Making information intuitive helps with retention, while making it logical helps with accuracy.

    • @kimhengmok
      @kimhengmok 9 місяців тому

      Thanks GPT, jkd
      Nice summary 👍🏼

  • @knw-seeker6836
    @knw-seeker6836 Рік тому

    Interesting conversation and very good questions

  • @hanguistic
    @hanguistic Рік тому +1

    12:05 Looking forward to apple freeform, seems like the features will align with concepts that has infinite canvas, and you won’t have to pay extra

  • @dontaskmynameifyoucantpron4280

    The exact video i needed wow

  • @debarotidey
    @debarotidey Рік тому

    This collaboration 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @pixalsplay3744
    @pixalsplay3744 Рік тому

    I love the both of you. One day, I will meet you guys.

  • @shaxpx
    @shaxpx Рік тому

    I found out about Justin from Kajun Koi and now I'm an ICanStudy student under him

  • @shyestshawty
    @shyestshawty Рік тому +2

    Wow!! this video is amazing you guys hit all the questions I been having such a hard time with. My problem is not being able to retain loads of information quickly enough when listening to lecture which forces me to take a bunch of notes. How can I improve my memory load when listening to lecture so that I can rely less on a bunch of note taking?It’s hard to process the information especially new ones where you have no idea how to organize thoughts while taking on new information without some background knowledge ? Or most importantly how to mind map during a lecture??

  • @anrilombard1121
    @anrilombard1121 Рік тому

    Awesome video!

  • @JustinSung
    @JustinSung  3 місяці тому

    Wondering what the iCanStudy program looks like once you join? Want to know if it’s right for you? Join our next free demo webinar to take control of your learning bit.ly/49Zz8Is

  • @t-alimichael3363
    @t-alimichael3363 Рік тому +1

    Pen to paper all day everyday. Not even an Apple Pen can duplicate. Active learning. Interesting enough my mind tracked what I wrote esp during an exam.

  • @russelllapua4904
    @russelllapua4904 11 місяців тому +1

    Personally I use Freeform from Apple that was released a few months after this video. It also has infinite canvas and is shared across all your Apple devices if you're in that ecosystem. Concepts doesn't have a macOS version.

  • @klausuhl5172
    @klausuhl5172 10 місяців тому

    Hey, two questions:
    1. how do you organize your canvases created in concepts?
    2. have you looked into Obsidian since they added canvas? It is not as free as concepts, but I used the canvas in Obsidian to organize screenshots of my canvases from concepts.

  • @stewste4316
    @stewste4316 Рік тому

    great tips, i freehand lately

  • @janechapman7801
    @janechapman7801 Рік тому +1

    Surely notes are there to sure up your auditory memory of the lecture or learning session and to make sure you recall the differences you make and allow better cues for the mental visual processes that you experience in a lecture say about the heart beat and each or the distribution of solar energy. I'm dyslexic so might experience this differently from some. But I never quite got the point of copying off the board in your 'neatest hand writing ' to learn things about history or wild life. Ended up having to copy done else's notes as copying from over heads or black boards impossible any way. Not being able to copy lecturers or teachers notes verbatim doesn't stop learning! Remembering the pictures in your head of what Mary Queen if Scots did or how the lungs work from a description is far easier than copying any way! Always incorporate your own thoughts and images although it can make you feel you are going to miss something if everybody else us apparently copying verbatim,

  • @EugeneRoxas-lz4zd
    @EugeneRoxas-lz4zd Рік тому

    Hi Justin,
    Just a question regarding notetaking for Law School.
    Since, law school deals with a lot of words and rules, what is your recommendation for taking notes for subjects in law school with a lot of pages and words to deal with.
    Your response is higly appreciated.

  • @nick46908
    @nick46908 Рік тому

    What is your opinion on annotate on top of lecture slides. I find this allow me to make these connections while remaining more focused on my professor

  • @RexZ412
    @RexZ412 Рік тому +2

    very good video

  • @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM
    @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM Рік тому +1

    I have always learned, I would guess, by reverse GANTT CHART. Like how does this new info build on the main idea? Like Justin Sung said, it helps me make it intuitive and logical. FASCINATING!!!
    Below is me learning Spanish from the viewpoint of an insider (native) and as an outsider (pretend outsider to get that objective view):
    I am no expert in any field. However, I graduated from an associate degree in construction management. I have always fantasized about starting a UA-cam channel where you learn business level Spanish with a funny combination of Roman style, "[M]ens sana in corpore sano,"
    and a
    Mr Miyagi twist, "sound the sign, sound the floor!"
    Anyway, I have learned or realized language is like anything else, especially math, where you build from virgin untouched land to a beautiful structure over time. It is always over a stretch of time.
    It is a managed project. It requires the basic 3: time, resources, and a budget.
    You see, a building requires:
    1. geologically sound ground (mind),
    2. equipment (pencils, pens, books, notebooks, computers, etc.),
    3. labor (AKA, you),
    4. type of "structure" being envisioned to be built (any building, calculus, Spanish, English, arithmetic, German, Japanese, multiplying, division, medicine, etc.)
    5. Plans
    6. Permit (u can do this if you want to, if you allow yourself, if you simply come to the realization that all it takes is desire to want to do it and stick with the project to forever be learning as lifelong project)
    6. How? REVERSE GANTT CHART
    7. Components of this language and the interrelations of each one and which one to tackle first that will sinergize the next component
    For example:
    -realizing Castillian Spanish(Spain has more than one language) is a mix of Latin, Greek, and Arabic.
    -like the FBI creates a behavioral profile of the mind behind a criminal, so must you ask all the W's (who, what, when, where, why). Why refers to the significance of what is being learned in relation to whatever matters to you, to the world, whatever...
    -why does Spanish behave the way it does in relation to, let's say, English (look up Wikipedia and search, "Spanish language."). Why is it, EMBARRASS & EMBARAZAR come from Italy etymologically but have different meanings.
    8. Pareto principle-the famous 80-20 rule to establish a schedule of tasks to be completed to more efficiently achieve your goal faster and not slower.
    Example of activities to complete, but in what order? Good! Now we are engaged:
    1. Behavioral Profile
    2. Make yourself a promise that everything you learn you will start applying right away. Ask why this and why that? How this and how can this be like this and not that? Who? What? When? Where? Why?
    -Make a game of what you learn. Make a silly song. Dance to it. -Shopping? Make a list in Spanish and use it often.
    -Have you ever looked at the chemical periodical table and wondered why is it that way? It uses a lot of Latin. How can I remember all that? AU=aurum or ORO in Spanish. AG=argentum, just Argentina because it has a lot of silver or plata in Spanish.
    Medical terms
    -stomach is estomago in Spanish but vientre is the formal term. Can't seem to distinguish ventral vs dorsal. Now you can!
    In conclusion, get technical in learning, be like a robot at first, get physical, get creative like an artist and use it like a mad person until you push it to an ARTFORM! PLUS ULTRA!!!!
    3. Basics- alphabet and how they sound out individually and creating different kinds of syllables and when are accents (tildes) applied and learning how they affect pronunciation and MEANING as well!
    4. leave verb conjugations for later and concentrate on very simple tenses at first.
    5. Use your mind like an infinite canvas, like AutoCAD, like a 3 dimensional view of how it is coming together. Does it look right? Does it makes sense? Can you mentally create variables? Colors? Texture? Height? Depth? Width? Can you see real world applications so far? Keep pushing! Can you PERCEIVE it from ANY angle? Then, any question your client (AKA, teacher) can come up with, you WILL be able TO ANSWER!!!!
    6. Build up from the ground, see the foundations, walls, framing of supporting structures, roof, enclosure of building envelop, how you enter and exit, can you see it? Then go with Sancho Panza and kill that DRAGON!!!
    7. AND MORE!
    I AM DONE. I need to sleep...😂😂

  • @denizenhugger9937
    @denizenhugger9937 Рік тому +2

    I feel as though when I notes sometimes all I can do is take digital notes. Sometimes the professor speaks fast and such information is on the exam so you really can’t process it because you will miss it if you don’t write it down therefore it’s better if you process some things later. The professors that I work with either lack PowerPoints and sometimes don’t post lecture videos either. Even worse the info in class may not even be in the textbook.

  • @kaimemes
    @kaimemes Рік тому +1

    How does cause-effect analysis fit into deep processing?

  • @beefnot
    @beefnot 9 місяців тому

    Appealing to the lateral thinking modality of a variety of learning styles whether it be a myth or not, I just have to ask the question about those who are more inclined to think visually if their note taking influenced their ability to visualize words more vividly in a way which sort of corresponds with synesthaesia but a bit more mediocre?

  • @niquey
    @niquey Рік тому +4

    Can you share a link to your paper you mentioned? I've been looking forward to reading it since the first time you mentioned you were going to write it! I can't believe I missed when it was released!
    Also great Collab! I want to attempt the dabbling idea of having a sheet of paper on the side to make connections before I leap ;)

    • @JustinSung
      @JustinSung  Рік тому +2

      Sure, you can find the report on learning here: icanstudy.com/how-it-works/
      Give the new technique a go and let me know how it works!

    • @niquey
      @niquey Рік тому

      Thank you! I will!

  • @susanrice5639
    @susanrice5639 Рік тому

    Well, how do you take notes if you have dyslexia In accounting in the mind mapping work, or the sketch note taking

  • @craigmalcom6294
    @craigmalcom6294 Рік тому +1

    Where can I watch the full video?

  • @cincin1194
    @cincin1194 Рік тому

    I'm watching these videos to help me find a faster way to learn and retain ECG stuff. I wrote out several notes but I am not going back to reread them. It is a lot. What is the best way to learn this?

  • @Odd-z-Ball
    @Odd-z-Ball Рік тому +1

    cajun koi and justin on the same video😍

  • @tysken0251
    @tysken0251 Рік тому +1

    when i do mind Maps i get a very good understanding and i see the applications of the information and i remeber a lot!!! However when I get a very detailed question (like which enyzme convert isocitrare to alfa ketoglutarate in the citric acid cycle?) it gets harder. How detailed are your’e mind maps? Do you write down all the nitty gritty detalis in your mind maps? Or what do you do with all the detalis?
    Could you also do a video of how you revise content? How often? What do you do?

    • @Abdouu_700
      @Abdouu_700 Рік тому

      Can you tell us the level of learning this question is testing you on ?
      Because it seems like a fact question (memorization level ) because the answer is the name of enzyme ?
      Like tell what an atom contains

    • @tysken0251
      @tysken0251 Рік тому

      @@Abdouu_700 i am a first year medical student and I would say that I get like 90% of the details that I want to know. I have a pretty good idea about the relationship between concepts and how to apply them but it is the small details that do not want to stick. Perhaps I should like combine this method with anki and put a bit of the detailed information there? Or should I add more details to my mind-map?

    • @quinnkempert2422
      @quinnkempert2422 Рік тому +1

      @@tysken0251 Id say use anki, mind maps shoukd be fairly minimal and easy to understand. That’s a more isolated, factual kinda thing so i think just repetition through anki or cue cards would be better.

  • @rudikurniawan99
    @rudikurniawan99 Рік тому

    two best brain mentor

  • @joycoso1453
    @joycoso1453 Рік тому

    Don't understand medical terms not following that. But I will take what I can use in Accounting.

  • @komalthecoolk
    @komalthecoolk 10 місяців тому

    The other guy's energy level is off the charts

  • @yiyaoran8637
    @yiyaoran8637 4 місяці тому

    I wish i had seen this video when i was 5 years old!!!!!!

  • @tanyahewa993
    @tanyahewa993 Рік тому

    Can u explain Wht does it mean taking hands free test

  • @CasualCosta
    @CasualCosta 5 місяців тому

    Notes for self:
    The goal of note-taking is to help you better structure the information in your head so you can more easily recover it later. Notes should strive to be both intuitive and logical, meaning there is a step there that requires understading what you are doing well enough so the next step comes naturally.
    It helps to take notes in a relational way because it forces you to think about the information in a more critical way (it's also easier to remember something that is related to something else than something that is isolated).
    Notes should be as short as possible to force you to summarize the content being consumed. Free-hand is preferred because it allows you to deal with relational data more fluidly. The shorter the notes are, the better is the comprehension and retention because you are not just mindlessly copying and pasting information, you are analysing it, and that forces you to engage with it.
    It seems the bottom line of note-taking is to FORCE you to think.

  • @hammadumar4082
    @hammadumar4082 Рік тому

    You should write a book..that would be great

  • @alexcerny5881
    @alexcerny5881 Місяць тому

    Three things to change if I were to go back to school:
    1) Mind maps (connecting branches and processes around topics and subtopics)
    2) ALL office hours meetings (want to or not, I'll learn something new every time)
    3) Asking in group chat to meet over assignments/exams in person or on video to help explain material (leaving no stone unturned)
    Best part? I could do whatever I want with my time so time management would be the very least of my worries

    • @EmDi-fr9pf
      @EmDi-fr9pf 27 днів тому

      i have a question, mind maps or non linear notes is really messy and i dont have have a order. Do you only use non linear note taking? Because i think it would be better to do it after linear note taking

  • @artcraftmathcareenjoylearn1434

    Do you mean we cannot make few mistakes comparing to whole knowledge? Thanks,

  • @Shiima7866
    @Shiima7866 11 місяців тому

    Really curious as to what Justin thinks of pseudoscientific theories regarding cognitive process of individuals: wheter he discards them of considers they have some merits.

  • @thg1nrediar
    @thg1nrediar Рік тому

    Good.

  • @mothernature5237
    @mothernature5237 8 місяців тому

    I have an issue, I studied my business economics degree in third language,swedish which I learnt 3 years ago. I passed all my courses even thesis. Except I failed one course 5 times managerial accounting. I know knowledge, info and perception of the subject. In the exam, afterward I realized I dont percieve the exam written sentences as they are meant to be

  • @user-yq7ig9nv8m
    @user-yq7ig9nv8m 4 місяці тому +1

    How many of you'll are addicted to Justin videos, i am

  • @ashley_smith
    @ashley_smith Рік тому +7

    I like these videos , but, I still feel they have fairly limited application to learning a foreign language from scratch , which I why I keep watching from time to time. Especially when a different alphabet is involved , it actually is important to be linear, left to right , down the page, to put things in a logical order, to have ideas that aren't jibberish, to attempt to make sentences that a native speaker could comprehend. I wish one of these videos would explore this topic.

    • @MuhammadArnaldo
      @MuhammadArnaldo Рік тому

      I think you can apply this for the grammar,
      and then you add memorizing vocab

    • @ashley_smith
      @ashley_smith Рік тому

      @@MuhammadArnaldo that might work

    • @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM
      @MiguelVargassagraVleugiM Рік тому

      I am no expert in any field. However, I graduated from an associate degree in construction management. I have always fantasized about starting a UA-cam channel where you learn business level Spanish with a funny combination of Roman style, "[M]ens sana in corpore sano,"
      and
      Mr Miyagi twist, "sound the sign, sound the floor!"
      Anyway, I have learned or realized language is like anything else, especially math, where you build from virgin untouched land to a beautiful structure over time. It is always over a stretch of time.
      It is a managed project. It requires the basic 3: time, resources, and a budget.
      You see, a building requires:
      1. geologically sound ground (mind), 2. equipment (pencils, pens, books, notebooks, computers, etc.),
      3. labor (AKA, you),
      4. type of "structure" being envisioned to be built (any building, calculus, Spanish, English, arithmetic, German, Japanese, multiplying, division, medicine, etc.)
      5. Plans
      6. Permit (u can do this if you want to, if you allow yourself, if you simply come to the realization that all it takes is desire to want to do it and stick with the project to forever be learning as lifelong project)
      6. How? REVERSE GANTT CHART
      7. Components of this language and the interrelations of each one and which one to tackle first that will sinergize the next component
      For example:
      -realizing Castillian Spanish(Spain has more than one language) is a mix of Latin, Greek, and Arabic.
      -like the FBI creates a behavioral profile of the mind behind a criminal, so must you ask all the W's (who, what, when, where, why). Why refers to the significance of what is being learned in relation to whatever matters to you, to the world, whatever...
      -why does Spanish behave the way it does in relation to, let's say, English (look up Wikipedia and search, "Spanish language."). Why is it, EMBARRASS & EMBARAZAR come from Italy etymologically but have different meanings.
      8. Pareto principle-the famous 80-20 rule to establish a schedule of tasks to be completed to more efficiently achieve your goal faster and not slower.
      Example of activities to complete, but in what order? Good! Now we are engaged:
      1. Behavioral Profile
      2. Make yourself a promise that everything you learn you will start applying right away. Ask why this and why that? How this and how can this be like this and not that? Who? What? When? Where? Why?
      -Make a game of what you learn. Make a silly song. Dance to it. -Shopping? Make a list in Spanish and use it often.
      -Have you ever looked at the chemical periodical table and wondered why is it that way? It uses a lot of Latin. How can I remember all that? AU=aurum or ORO in Spanish. AG=argentum, just Argentina because it has a lot of silver or plata in Spanish.
      Medical terms
      -stomach is estomago in Spanish but vientre is the formal term. Can't seem to distinguish ventral vs dorsal. Now you can!
      In conclusion, get technical in learning, be like a robot at first, get physical, get creative like an artist and use it like a mad person until you push it to an ARTFORM! PLUS ULTRA!!!!
      3. Basics- alphabet and how they sound out individually and creating different kinds of syllables and when are accents (tildes) applied and learning how they affect pronunciation and MEANING as well!
      4. leave verb conjugations for later and concentrate on very simple tenses at first.
      5. Use your mind like an infinite canvas, like AutoCAD, like a 3 dimensional view of how it is coming together. Does it look right? Does it makes sense? Can you mentally create variables? Colors? Texture? Height? Depth? Width? Can you see real world applications so far? Keep pushing! Can you PERCEIVE it from ANY angle? Then, any question your client (AKA, teacher) can come up with, you WILL be able TO ANSWER!!!!
      6. Build up from the ground, see the foundations, walls, framing of supporting structures, roof, enclosure of building envelop, how you enter and exit, can you see it? Then go with Sancho Panza and kill that DRAGON!!!
      7. AND MORE!
      I AM DONE. I need to sleep...

  • @shoahguide
    @shoahguide Рік тому

    Note "retrieval" from your PKM is *much* *much* more important than "taking" cognitive- and thought- process in writing. Hardly any "experts" look at this element - note retrieval!

  • @JeidenSerrano
    @JeidenSerrano 9 місяців тому

    are tablet good for note taking? and if so why ?

  • @00oo00XDD
    @00oo00XDD Рік тому +4

    Is Obsidian or Notion a good tool to connect these notes in order to learn better in the long term?

    • @SimGunther
      @SimGunther Рік тому +3

      They're probably good enough to start unusual connections if your notes are tagged correctly, but don't rely on it; instead, these connections should be constantly challenged and the final connections should be made through your thinking process.

    • @RameshKumar-ng3nf
      @RameshKumar-ng3nf Рік тому +7

      No. Logseq is the best for block linking & page linking.
      No other app has block linking like logseq. Notion & obsidian are very over-hyped.
      Logseq is free & also very effective & very easy to use & also have privacy storing offline.
      I recently switched from obsidian to logseq

    • @SimGunther
      @SimGunther Рік тому +2

      @@RameshKumar-ng3nf 🤘 to Logseq

    • @abeer6383
      @abeer6383 Рік тому

      No , archer newton, a student of dr. Justin sung said, it is not good for learning.

    • @MuhammadArnaldo
      @MuhammadArnaldo Рік тому

      @@abeer6383 at least we can use it to keep information and for review,
      because there are things meant to be memorized

  • @user-zh3oz7lm4n
    @user-zh3oz7lm4n 9 місяців тому +1

    can someone translate what he say and say and make it simple and with few words ?

  • @bba3739
    @bba3739 6 місяців тому

    The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way... Proverbs 14:8

  • @soham1306
    @soham1306 Рік тому

    didn't see this coming

  • @schton101
    @schton101 10 місяців тому

    When you said "Facilitating the right cognitive process, because your brain can only take so much. Note-taking should offset the unnecessary load so your brain can focus on the important for creating good learning." So my question is, What are those unnecessary load? (Guessing that those are the why's)

  • @fardeenahammedbhuiyan6019
    @fardeenahammedbhuiyan6019 Рік тому +1

    How do we master organic chemistry 😩😩

  • @erik4177
    @erik4177 7 місяців тому

    Never had a studying technique to begin with so I don’t have to unlearn anything lmao

  • @minetime6881
    @minetime6881 Рік тому

    Wait so using RemNote to study is a waist of time? What do I do instead?

  • @serenemary873
    @serenemary873 Рік тому

    13:20

  • @yogeshlakshman8488
    @yogeshlakshman8488 3 місяці тому

    The overwhelming, confusion state is normal
    I have experienced it now

  • @orangeslice04
    @orangeslice04 Рік тому +2

    Is taking notes necessary?

  • @user-yk5df7sf7p
    @user-yk5df7sf7p 10 місяців тому

    I am autistic and was shown to type in 3rd grade...how can I do this for success.

  • @kirbymegorden8820
    @kirbymegorden8820 Рік тому

    Examiners use deep level thinking to create exams 19:22

  • @conan8998
    @conan8998 4 місяці тому

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:00 📚 *Note-taking is a popular trend, especially with the start of the school season.*
    00:39 💡 *Note-taking is more about aligning your thoughts with what you write down rather than following a rigid technique.*
    01:21 🎯 *Effective note-taking aims to document information for later review and facilitate cognitive processes.*
    01:59 🧠 *Note-taking helps manage cognitive load, allowing the brain to focus on deeper learning.*
    03:38 🤔 *Higher order thinking in note-taking involves comparing ideas, finding similarities and differences, and categorizing information intuitively.*
    07:35 ⚠️ *Linear note-taking is limited as knowledge is inherently non-linear.*
    08:59 🖊️ *Handwritten notes are generally preferred over typed ones for deeper engagement and understanding.*
    11:30 📱 *Using a stylus and infinite canvas for note-taking can more accurately reflect thought processes.*
    14:05 🚀 *Transitioning from typed to handwritten notes can enhance learning quality, though it may require guidance or self-motivation.*
    17:02 🎓 *Identifying the point of frustration with typed notes can motivate a shift towards more effective note-taking methods.*
    17:44 🔄 *Recognizing success in note-taking can be challenging for beginners without seeing results or receiving feedback.*
    18:12 🧠 *Improved retention, confidence, and fluidity in handling information indicate effective note-taking.*
    18:56 📝 *Engaging in retrieval practice with challenging questions can test higher levels of learning and preparedness for exams.*
    20:06 🎓 *Mastery in note-taking is shown by the ability to integrate knowledge and handle complex, variable-driven questions.*
    21:01 ✔️ *Confidence in answering questions is a more significant indicator of knowledge than merely getting answers right.*
    22:11 🤔 *Missing perspectives or variables in an answer suggests a need to rethink and deepen understanding of the topic.*
    23:19 🧐 *Identifying gaps in logical or intuitive connections within notes can highlight areas for improvementin understanding and memory retention.*
    Made with HARPA AI

  • @janechapman7801
    @janechapman7801 Рік тому

    It won't be possible to note down or draw every thing you think in a lecture anyway unless your capable if slowingbyour brain down I.e. are a sen master. Pericardium vs plura