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You know it's kind of funny how I have just figured out absolutely the right way to learn just naturally going through school, but this has also made me incredibly lazy cause I can get good results with almost no effort, but yeah, for instance the sq3r, never heard of it, but I've just myself noticed that letting questions guide the discovery of knowledge is absolutely one of the most engaging and effective ways to learn and then also the mapping of concepts to ones mind rather than rote, that's been something I've done ever since elementary
@@erahamzah6983 nope, don't mistake listing bullets point into a map as mindmap. In fact, you can almost summarize the relevance of key concepts of college linear algebra or calculus in a map. Yes, the task will be extremely mentally taxing, but, this process will be interesting and is the actual learning, rather than fighting with your own brain in order force yourself into a rabbithole re reading for hours.
A partially remembered anecdote from high school (in the early 90's): This one girl in chemistry class told us about some kind of science club or class she was in, where they memorized the periodic table. Their approach was to set it to the tune of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire". They basically just rattled off the element names: "Hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium"... the scrap of the chorus that I still remember is, "We didn't write the table / Well we'd like to burn it / But we gotta learn it"
Justin, I would love you to do a video about organising and utilising study groups! As you said, they can be a waste of time and most people don't know how to use them effectively.
Well, before you start organising the group you should organize yourself. You should come prepared. The quality of your own studying is going to be crucial for the progres youre gonna make as a group
I really hate how my school just wants us to remember so many facts. They don’t focus on telling us how they are connected to each other I’m in 8th grade and ours teachers say words without explaining any of it. I usually search them up and ask my parents about the subject after I get home but it’s not always accurate
29:41 he is not wrong, you misheard him. He was explicitly discussing the feynman technique, not short term memory. If I read a paragraph and then explain why diffusion doesn't need an energy source it's unlikely I'll have forgotten the next day. It's better to make flashcards / pictures for your epiphanies rather than directly from the book
I wanna ask something: Is it healthy or even maybe effective while studying to talk yourself into liking the subject or even studying itself? I just somehow remembered how I used to tell myself when I was studying: "This is fun and not boring at all!" or even: "I dont do this for the grades I do this cuz its fun!". Are there maybe studies abt this? If not I can say my grades were good when I was doing this
I feel like studying history is not about concepts but about facts and that's what makes it harder for me to learn this subject. There's no predictability, no rules to get to a conclusion. The same cause could have a different effect depending on things that nobody really knows.
History is about structures and historical dynamics, actually. Facts only become interesting (and truly relevant) when you can see and explain how they changed these historic structures and dynamics. That’s when they start meaning something. Otherwise it’s like memorizing recipes in a cook book, tells you nothing about the food, you need the pictures and the context (breakfast desert etc.). You have to start with the story/dynamic and then see what facts created/changed the story. For instance, feudalism is a structure and historic dynamic that led to certain facts and events. But the dates of the crusades by themselves might not mean anything, just that something happened/didn’t happen. So, always look for dynamics, stories. Facts are just the scaffolding. Unfortunately, teachers rely on facts because that’s what they can easily mark in a test.
I agree with the above comment. It depends on what kind of history you are studying as well (e.g. Chinese ancient history vs Greek ancient history, vs Middle Ages vs Modern American history, etc etc). History classes do often have a lot of information just for the sake of it, but more often than not, it can be related and linked with overarching themes in history and society (like economic system, class dynamics, religions, etc)
it's not, real history is about figuring out causes and links between facts, but regular school doesn't want you to know why something happened because it teaches you to understand politics of today too
My main observation of the difference between Lobdell's video and the current trends is the shift from isolated to grouped information and learning. An example of this shift is 13:42, where he mentions facts vs concepts. Separating the two (remembering facts vs understanding concepts) is crucial for effective learning, but relating and applying both is better and more efficient, which creates flow in the topic. However, it is interesting to see points like Lobdell's form the edifice of higher-order learning away from ineffective "remembering-based" techniques. For example, SQ3R can develop the "organizational schemas" you mentioned in a previous video necessary to create connections between facts and concepts and generate further questions in the material that facilitate concept flow. It's nice to see your review of his video.
I don't think facts vs concepts is isolated. It's obviously not about ignoring facts to focus on concepts. It's just an application of the idea of higher order learning. You need lower order learning to achieve higher order learning, you need facts to build concepts. The clear-cut dichotomy is valuable to introduce things, and replacing it with complex terminology will only harm those who need to understand this the most.
@@senjutsu3400 Well the beauty of bloom's taxonomy comes from the use of higher-order learning to "sub" for lower orders. I feel like if you can analyze and evaluate the information in the text, lecture, or article, memorization and isolated understanding is already achieved because you have already applied those facts to a higher standard of mastery. Later on, you can memorize the facts that are too stubborn to be organized and analyzed, and that ensures you get the highest mastery/grade possible.
It would be benefitable to make a video that will dip dive into "social learning". As someone who is struggling to learn in a group, i would like this kind of dip dive to include a section about how to use AI as a tool to challenge your perspective.
I didn't knew that using the method of challenging my prospective as a tool to identify knowledge gap is something that can be politicised, but I guess we learn something knew everyday 🙄
My only counterpoint to the study environment's advice is that,for me, there exists a lot of overlap between chill activities and study activities. For example, when I chill, I read, and when I study, I read; when I study, I watch UA-cam videos, and when I chill, I watch UA-cam videos. I agree that I do my best studying in a different location, but that doesn't mean I never do my best studying where I sleep. P.S. I have great sleep hygiene.
i can't relax my mind so effectively anywhere except bed, sleep stack and summing up day and letting go before sleep mostly reduces what's lost by associating bed with overthinking
It would incredible to see you explain the difference between theoretical knowledge, and practical knowledge, especially considering that we spend a few years usually learning the theory in uni. Yet in the job, encounter a need to implement the knowledge, and find that large porportion of the theory, is irrelevant.
I see the value of learning theory. Assuming you do it the right way, it forces you to make broad relations with things you already know, increasing your understanding. The other end of the spectrum would be if courses were totally focused on the practical, you might end up trying to memorize the application rather than gain a broad understanding. You would end up expecting to aplly the knowledge in only one way but in reality there are variations in work conditions and operations structure where you have to figure out how to apply same knowledge in various ways not just one. Of course I do think we should have applications courses. I think these courses should give large variety of practical application scenarios not just one scenario so that we will have a better understanding of the scope that theory is applicable and won't be as confused when we see it in real life
Hard disagree on the facts being unimportant. Maybe this is skewed by my experience in software, but so much of what you refer to as expertise is actually just learning the language of a particular subject. It's more important to know what a heap is conceptually and when/why you'd use one vs something like a list, but good luck finding that out or refreshing your understanding three years later if you don't know the word for that idea is, "heap".
I replied earlier but I misunderstood what you said before. Anyway, the way our memory works is basically relationships, if you learn the concepts deeply and practically, you'll actually remember the fact that it's called Heap even more, because of all those relationships. If you can remember the concept great, you can't remember what it was called? Unlikely, but you can just google or gpt it. You remember that there's something called a Heap, but you don't remember what it does or when/how you use it, well you're definitely in much bigger trouble than just remembering the word for it.
@@tisaname8490 "If you can remember the concept great, you can't remember what it's called? Unlikely, but you can just Google or GPT it." I don't understand what you're trying to say here. We're talking about a hypothetical where you did understand what a heap is and all the concepts it relates to at some point, but you haven't touched it in three years. In this hypothetical, if you remember the lexicon you have a lead to search your notes and/or the Internet to refresh your memory. By contrast, if all you remember is the concepts, you're stuck googling "thing that's like a list but arranged in a way where you can put things in and take them out in order of priority". And like, maybe that works. (I'm on a phone so I can't easily check). But maybe it doesn't, and now you've got a wild goose chase in the middle of your work day. In case it's not obvious, that's me. I am that hypothetical. And really quickly, it's also been my experience of late that learning new things is lexicon-limited. Yes, I learn the jargon by watching the relationships and drilling down to the concepts. But it's far far far more common to be confused because Wikipedia has a better vocabulary than I do, than it is to be confused for any other reason.
@@TimothyJesionowski Yes, but in this hypothetical the only reason why you would be searching for it in the first place is because you realised you need this "concept", which makes remembering concept more than remembering only the word heap. Also that experience with Wikipedia is common, since Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedia, it assumes that one already know what all these words mean, so it can be difficult to learn from it. But regardless, I think I am also a bit confused by your original comment and I am also rambling, you could ignore what I wrote all above, let me start over. -- -- -- In this context of studying, when justin sung says facts are not as important as concepts, he means all that "high-order" thinking stuff he mentions all the time in his other videos, if you only learn the facts as what they are "Heap is a .... Heap is also .... Heap is used for ....", this will only achieve poor learning ("low order learning"), not deep learning, he wants people to focus on concepts, use high order thinking (application (practical), comparison (conceptual/relational), priority (conceptual/relational)) to learn the topics. He also believes that if people focus on facts/details first, they have trouble with high-order thinking, because they are working with a low-order knowledge structure (just isolated facts), he wants people to focus on concepts first and foremost, see how the concepts relate, so they can develop a "high-order knowledge structure" which will then help students with high-order thinking (also increases retention rate, because when things are related, they are considered "meaningful" by the brain, therefore retained more). In context of studying, he seems to be right, in your context, you may be right, although I am strong believer of not memorizing facts, I either note it down somewhere or it's something easily google-able.
Have you heard of this thing called 'Google'? Just type in a description of the concept and you'll be able to find the word you're looking for. I don't think it's hard.
When you make a “study group” video, can you please make it in a “send this video to your study group” format so it can be used to get everyone on the same page?
@@raymeester7883 i want to know the scientific details ,like we have need to belong,need to compete to boost learning and such environment is available in offline classes.
@@BeingAuthenticBeingUnique Learning is done in your head. Most important are learning enablers and that is not environment. Look through his videos. He has even shared a report with references to the scientific research.
You have to be super motivated and focussed to be able to do sequential half hour sessions with only 5 minutes break. Totally unrealistic in the vast majority of cases. When not motivated, I nap first to freshen up. Then - when fresh, I try half an hour, with half hour breaks. 2 or 3 times per morning or afternoon. The key is motivation, getting into the right state of mind, which is dependent on so many things - including private life, exercise, diet. Small achievements build momentum and motivation.
I have a similar opinion but the problem occurs when you have a an ocean of syllabus to cover within a given time. Waiting to be motivated wastes a lot of time.
The advice you are saying is like machine learning (ML) evals, in order to gauge performance of an ML model we need a list of tasks that it's never seen before that require previously seen facts/concepts . Train a model on the test data, observe improved performance = wow! 100% performance this thing is a super human (it's not, it just recalls facts very well) Rearchitect the model or employ new algorithms or improve test data, observe improved performance = actual strides to learning For example, this is what implementing transformers (see Attention is all you need paper) architecture did to machine learning language models, language models existed in the past but they did not learn to the level they did with transformers. And of course the quality of your model depends on, compute size, data quality, algorithms used, etc. Drawing parallels: rearchitecting learning model = rewiring your brain (science probably says this is not possible, but plasticity is the closest thing to this) training data = quality of your study material (is it facts, is it necessary for your evaluation metrics, eg you don't need to know tiktok dancing routines to learn how to fix a car) compute size = the environment you're in algorithms used = study methods, spaced repetition, retrieval methods, memorization, etc Using this information the only way to tell we are learning is by testing through tasks, eg a job that requires foundational learning blocks accumulated, a final exam that has questions crafted to force critical thinking, etc Learning is such an expensive endeavor, doing it right reaps huge rewards over a lifetime for people.
35:38 I got a D in physics my first time. I retook the class, following the professor's advice, which was to read the relevant book chapters one time before each lecture, and one time after. The second time, I got either a B or an A.
21:00 I kind of get what he means for same effort. They were not learning those words as new words. The exercise itself isn't challenging and can even be considered fun. While it takes more cognitive effort, it's not even close to being challenging. Effort is not limited to cognitive effort. Maybe you need more effort to think about it, but the vowel counting takes effort just to keep doing it since it's boring and pointless.
Adding meaning to information based on context (like the Evaluate stage of bloom's taxonomy) is actually a very strong way to think about information. I think the problem for me when it comes to actually doing this (because I'm still stuck on the Analyse stage) is determining which contexts I can use to strengthen any piece of information. Is there a way for me to tackle this problem?
So hopefully justin can see this comment, I wanted to know his views if I take the Q and ask higher order learning questions. For example: compare and contrast myasthenia Gravis with Guillian-Barré. I know this may cause these types of questions to be more in the review stage, but I just wanted your perspective.
The drawing example is also a huge barrier for aspiring artists who have been told they need to draw from memory, which is absolute nonsense. Use reference and build your brain to muscle shape language, and then still use reference. That’s a bigtime no-no being pushed by UA-cam “artists” that makes all professionals cringe.
Justin do you have any advice/videos for those studying for big medical school entry exams , especially something like the GAMSAT which I found to be 10000x harder than the mcat
You can use drawings but words are fine too. I personally use the terms, sometimes adding drawings next to it for a more visual representation. What is more important is having a logical flow between the concepts. Make sure all the groupings make sense and are connected after thoroughly thinking and revising the organization.
Oh also, I gotta disagree with you about "pictures" not being able to be used. I do little doodles for all the rules/elements and it's honestly the best way to build strong connections
I really have to disagree with the 162 hour comment. A lot of people have to work through college to survive. Probably most college students even. It just seems like a privileged and tone deaf comment.
Can you help me please? I am bored of studying and especially repetitions, I haven't memorised things properly but since I am familiar with the concept I don't feel like going through again. And also I failed a couple of times, its a competitive exam and I haven't been able to reach the required cut off. Because of all this my brain shuts down every time I open my book and I am trying to study but everything going over my head, nothing is making sense, I am exasperated, exhausted and highly anxious. Please give some advice.
@@ChinaVerstehen-pn9ci That's the opposite message of this channel which is using cognitive tools to learn things. @austinwang4551 The old golden method would be a small memory palace
@@Earthesionmemory palace? Thats not used at all today, and extremely hard to even use, (i guarantee u, nobody on eath usese that)a speech is easier to learn by just practicing, you cant avoid the work
Make some key points and keywords to remember the lines. Memorize the key words and try to recall the concept from the keywords. Give attention to the parts you couldn’t recall. Active recall the keywords and points with flashcards. And study the whole thing minimum 3 sessions before the presentation. Every session you will need much less time as you can recall more than before.
@@ChinaVerstehen-pn9ci Even justin sung uses it. The point is that it IS work to apply these mental techniques. That's what makes you remember it. We're arguing for the same mental effort appplied in different ways. You just want brute force
Heh, you should make a video for people procrastinating by listening to your study techniques. You're no doubt helping them, but there might be a lot of viewers who especially benefit from procrastination pep talks.
The information you are giving is totally unsufficient if you want genuine help. What do you even mean by high order and how did this play out in practice?
@@terminallucidity I swear bro, ever since the rock n roll era died and the wild sex parties stopped, people became so negative. For the sake of a positive humanity, we gotta bring the wild sex parties back
Right? I found his channel valuable in the beginning but now he's calling himself "expert" and his videos are generally becoming a long humble-brag sessions that take forever to get the point. I think the fame is getting to his head.
@@Princessbubblegum567 nothing wrong with calling himself an expert when he actually is one. Plus he’s already made enough videos on the learning side of things, everyone would just say he’s recycling content if he continued
@@szymonbaranowski8184so true! My younger sister cannot pay attention to the videos I send because they are “too long”, yet she watches 7 hours of tiktok! 49 minutes is truly nothing 😒
@@szymonbaranowski8184 this is 49 minutes of vague nonsense, its just a ad for his expensive course because what he says in his videos makes no fucking sense
There is a concept: Natural development of the subject. There are so-many benefits of this method of learning. 1. There are very less things to remember in such a text book. 2. Actually, the real merit lies in the author of such a text book. If a student is focused, he will recognize this merit of the textbook author. 3. The trick is that the author feels clearly, how much my reader's mind will get tortured upon reading this passage of my text book. According, they make their book less terse. 4. Due to this reason, a student finds such a book friendly. At all the time student is motivated.
Dr. Sung, so you're saying Marty Lobdell is wrong. He has Masters in psychology and approximately more than 40 years of practice... Now, YT is full of clickbaits. If this is another one, I'm gonna eat your cat!
Video done. You lost cat. I don't understand why people do this. Making a person watch a video with a false headline and pissing them off so they don't come back. And even if he sees something interesting from you, he'll just think it's just another lie anyway. What's it worth? We lose time with the video, you lose viewers...
I have more "silly mistakes" than literally anyone I know. Genuinely, I've gotten answers wrong because I copied the answer in the calculator incorrectly when I wrote it on the page. 🙃 I would write the final "math" answer correctly on the page, I would correctly put that "math" answer in the calculator to get it output as some ugly number with a bunch of decimals. Finally, I would then copy ALMOST that same number down from the calculator to the page. 🥲 The only reason I know I actually put it into the calculator correctly is because of calculator history. Otherwise, I might gaslight myself. I've always believed that tests commonly assess more skills than instructors are even aware of. 😅
It's Not An Usual Course, It's Structure Is Different & Effective. You Need Time, Patience & Practice To Finish This Course. When They Teach You Something In A Session They'll Ask You To Practice It And Send Your Practiced Things To The Review Staff, They'll Check If You've Practiced Correctly Or Not, If You've Done The Practice Correctly Then Only You Can Move To Next Session
Yes, the methods taught there are from evidence based research, but you also need to put in the effort, cognitively for it to work. It's the skills that you need to master there, so patience is really gonna help, but I can say you won't regret joining the course :)
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That video is what got me into study strategies! Don't know where I'd be without it. I'm blown away that you've never seen it!
I'm from Ethiopia ! I just wanna say you are helping many people across continents ! keep it up and thank you!
Nice! My parents are from Ethiopia too but I was born in the US.
True i am from south africa he has helped me alot🙏👏👏
Me too Ethiopian
Me too Ethiopian
You know it's kind of funny how I have just figured out absolutely the right way to learn just naturally going through school, but this has also made me incredibly lazy cause I can get good results with almost no effort, but yeah, for instance the sq3r, never heard of it, but I've just myself noticed that letting questions guide the discovery of knowledge is absolutely one of the most engaging and effective ways to learn and then also the mapping of concepts to ones mind rather than rote, that's been something I've done ever since elementary
dont you think mapping mentally will be kinda hard after college
Please !! Can u give me some advices I'm stuck with med school's non stopping lectures ..💔!
Same bruh☠️☠️☠️
Yeah bro, expand
@@erahamzah6983 nope, don't mistake listing bullets point into a map as mindmap. In fact, you can almost summarize the relevance of key concepts of college linear algebra or calculus in a map. Yes, the task will be extremely mentally taxing, but, this process will be interesting and is the actual learning, rather than fighting with your own brain in order force yourself into a rabbithole re reading for hours.
Started my morning with some good advice. Thanks Justin!
Sameeee
I love ur videos no matter how much long it's really valuable actually the longer ur videos are more value it has, thank you Justin 🥰
I really appreciate you
A partially remembered anecdote from high school (in the early 90's): This one girl in chemistry class told us about some kind of science club or class she was in, where they memorized the periodic table. Their approach was to set it to the tune of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire". They basically just rattled off the element names: "Hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium"... the scrap of the chorus that I still remember is, "We didn't write the table / Well we'd like to burn it / But we gotta learn it"
Thats such a good idea🤣🤣🤣
Nice idea bruv. Thanks!
I was actually hoping for a longer video from here, can't wait to watch this later!
Have you watched this yet?
@@JustinSung No
I would love to see a video on the silly mistakes vs knowledge gaps. Diving more into that topic would be could
Justin, I would love you to do a video about organising and utilising study groups! As you said, they can be a waste of time and most people don't know how to use them effectively.
Well, before you start organising the group you should organize yourself. You should come prepared. The quality of your own studying is going to be crucial for the progres youre gonna make as a group
I am SOOOOOOO glad i stumbled across your channel!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
The crossover we didn't deserve. BUT ABSOLUTELY NEEDED!!!
You are too kind
I really hate how my school just wants us to remember so many facts. They don’t focus on telling us how they are connected to each other I’m in 8th grade and ours teachers say words without explaining any of it. I usually search them up and ask my parents about the subject after I get home but it’s not always accurate
Thanks for going over this!
beside all the good infos , many people should learn how to be humble with professors , Justin you were a great example
Thank you 🙏
29:41 he is not wrong, you misheard him. He was explicitly discussing the feynman technique, not short term memory. If I read a paragraph and then explain why diffusion doesn't need an energy source it's unlikely I'll have forgotten the next day. It's better to make flashcards / pictures for your epiphanies rather than directly from the book
Well I'm in Uganda and I'm soon doing my exams in October I'll testify about your advice next year when the results are back thank you
I wanna ask something: Is it healthy or even maybe effective while studying to talk yourself into liking the subject or even studying itself? I just somehow remembered how I used to tell myself when I was studying: "This is fun and not boring at all!" or even: "I dont do this for the grades I do this cuz its fun!". Are there maybe studies abt this? If not I can say my grades were good when I was doing this
I feel like studying history is not about concepts but about facts and that's what makes it harder for me to learn this subject. There's no predictability, no rules to get to a conclusion. The same cause could have a different effect depending on things that nobody really knows.
History is about structures and historical dynamics, actually. Facts only become interesting (and truly relevant) when you can see and explain how they changed these historic structures and dynamics. That’s when they start meaning something. Otherwise it’s like memorizing recipes in a cook book, tells you nothing about the food, you need the pictures and the context (breakfast desert etc.).
You have to start with the story/dynamic and then see what facts created/changed the story.
For instance, feudalism is a structure and historic dynamic that led to certain facts and events. But the dates of the crusades by themselves might not mean anything, just that something happened/didn’t happen. So, always look for dynamics, stories. Facts are just the scaffolding. Unfortunately, teachers rely on facts because that’s what they can easily mark in a test.
I agree with the above comment. It depends on what kind of history you are studying as well (e.g. Chinese ancient history vs Greek ancient history, vs Middle Ages vs Modern American history, etc etc). History classes do often have a lot of information just for the sake of it, but more often than not, it can be related and linked with overarching themes in history and society (like economic system, class dynamics, religions, etc)
it's not, real history is about figuring out causes and links between facts,
but regular school doesn't want you to know why something happened
because it teaches you to understand politics of today too
My main observation of the difference between Lobdell's video and the current trends is the shift from isolated to grouped information and learning. An example of this shift is 13:42, where he mentions facts vs concepts. Separating the two (remembering facts vs understanding concepts) is crucial for effective learning, but relating and applying both is better and more efficient, which creates flow in the topic. However, it is interesting to see points like Lobdell's form the edifice of higher-order learning away from ineffective "remembering-based" techniques. For example, SQ3R can develop the "organizational schemas" you mentioned in a previous video necessary to create connections between facts and concepts and generate further questions in the material that facilitate concept flow. It's nice to see your review of his video.
I don't think facts vs concepts is isolated. It's obviously not about ignoring facts to focus on concepts. It's just an application of the idea of higher order learning. You need lower order learning to achieve higher order learning, you need facts to build concepts.
The clear-cut dichotomy is valuable to introduce things, and replacing it with complex terminology will only harm those who need to understand this the most.
@@senjutsu3400 Well the beauty of bloom's taxonomy comes from the use of higher-order learning to "sub" for lower orders. I feel like if you can analyze and evaluate the information in the text, lecture, or article, memorization and isolated understanding is already achieved because you have already applied those facts to a higher standard of mastery. Later on, you can memorize the facts that are too stubborn to be organized and analyzed, and that ensures you get the highest mastery/grade possible.
It would be benefitable to make a video that will dip dive into "social learning".
As someone who is struggling to learn in a group, i would like this kind of dip dive to include a section about how to use AI as a tool to challenge your perspective.
it challenged you only if you aren't liberal lol
I didn't knew that using the method of challenging my prospective as a tool to identify knowledge gap is something that can be politicised, but I guess we learn something knew everyday 🙄
My only counterpoint to the study environment's advice is that,for me, there exists a lot of overlap between chill activities and study activities. For example, when I chill, I read, and when I study, I read; when I study, I watch UA-cam videos, and when I chill, I watch UA-cam videos. I agree that I do my best studying in a different location, but that doesn't mean I never do my best studying where I sleep.
P.S. I have great sleep hygiene.
i can't relax my mind so effectively anywhere except bed,
sleep stack and summing up day and letting go before sleep mostly reduces what's lost by associating bed with overthinking
It would incredible to see you explain the difference between theoretical knowledge, and practical knowledge, especially considering that we spend a few years usually learning the theory in uni. Yet in the job, encounter a need to implement the knowledge, and find that large porportion of the theory, is irrelevant.
I see the value of learning theory. Assuming you do it the right way, it forces you to make broad relations with things you already know, increasing your understanding. The other end of the spectrum would be if courses were totally focused on the practical, you might end up trying to memorize the application rather than gain a broad understanding. You would end up expecting to aplly the knowledge in only one way but in reality there are variations in work conditions and operations structure where you have to figure out how to apply same knowledge in various ways not just one.
Of course I do think we should have applications courses. I think these courses should give large variety of practical application scenarios not just one scenario so that we will have a better understanding of the scope that theory is applicable and won't be as confused when we see it in real life
Theory is the guide, practical us what you do.
Hard disagree on the facts being unimportant. Maybe this is skewed by my experience in software, but so much of what you refer to as expertise is actually just learning the language of a particular subject. It's more important to know what a heap is conceptually and when/why you'd use one vs something like a list, but good luck finding that out or refreshing your understanding three years later if you don't know the word for that idea is, "heap".
I replied earlier but I misunderstood what you said before.
Anyway, the way our memory works is basically relationships, if you learn the concepts deeply and practically, you'll actually remember the fact that it's called Heap even more, because of all those relationships.
If you can remember the concept great, you can't remember what it was called? Unlikely, but you can just google or gpt it.
You remember that there's something called a Heap, but you don't remember what it does or when/how you use it, well you're definitely in much bigger trouble than just remembering the word for it.
@@tisaname8490 "If you can remember the concept great, you can't remember what it's called? Unlikely, but you can just Google or GPT it."
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. We're talking about a hypothetical where you did understand what a heap is and all the concepts it relates to at some point, but you haven't touched it in three years. In this hypothetical, if you remember the lexicon you have a lead to search your notes and/or the Internet to refresh your memory. By contrast, if all you remember is the concepts, you're stuck googling "thing that's like a list but arranged in a way where you can put things in and take them out in order of priority". And like, maybe that works. (I'm on a phone so I can't easily check). But maybe it doesn't, and now you've got a wild goose chase in the middle of your work day. In case it's not obvious, that's me. I am that hypothetical.
And really quickly, it's also been my experience of late that learning new things is lexicon-limited. Yes, I learn the jargon by watching the relationships and drilling down to the concepts. But it's far far far more common to be confused because Wikipedia has a better vocabulary than I do, than it is to be confused for any other reason.
@@TimothyJesionowski Yes, but in this hypothetical the only reason why you would be searching for it in the first place is because you realised you need this "concept", which makes remembering concept more than remembering only the word heap.
Also that experience with Wikipedia is common, since Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedia, it assumes that one already know what all these words mean, so it can be difficult to learn from it.
But regardless, I think I am also a bit confused by your original comment and I am also rambling, you could ignore what I wrote all above, let me start over.
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In this context of studying, when justin sung says facts are not as important as concepts, he means all that "high-order" thinking stuff he mentions all the time in his other videos, if you only learn the facts as what they are "Heap is a .... Heap is also .... Heap is used for ....", this will only achieve poor learning ("low order learning"), not deep learning, he wants people to focus on concepts, use high order thinking (application (practical), comparison (conceptual/relational), priority (conceptual/relational)) to learn the topics.
He also believes that if people focus on facts/details first, they have trouble with high-order thinking, because they are working with a low-order knowledge structure (just isolated facts), he wants people to focus on concepts first and foremost, see how the concepts relate, so they can develop a "high-order knowledge structure" which will then help students with high-order thinking (also increases retention rate, because when things are related, they are considered "meaningful" by the brain, therefore retained more).
In context of studying, he seems to be right, in your context, you may be right, although I am strong believer of not memorizing facts, I either note it down somewhere or it's something easily google-able.
Have you heard of this thing called 'Google'? Just type in a description of the concept and you'll be able to find the word you're looking for. I don't think it's hard.
When you make a “study group” video, can you please make it in a “send this video to your study group” format so it can be used to get everyone on the same page?
Smart idea!
Sure I will take that into consideration
This information was worth my time. Thanks.
What a clickbait title! Justin agrees that nearly everything is good advice, but simply adds more detail.
You're amazing man, I appreciate your content.
Sir make a video on offline vs online .
Coassroom teaching vs self lesrning
He has made several videos on the techniques both for reading on your own and in class lectures.
@@raymeester7883 i want to know the scientific details ,like we have need to belong,need to compete to boost learning and such environment is available in offline classes.
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Learning is done in your head.
Most important are learning enablers and that is not environment.
Look through his videos.
He has even shared a report with references to the scientific research.
11:35 Justin: "This is an area I use only for work and study. Guitar: 😢
Yeaaaa it’s unfortunately true tho
I would absolutely loveeee a video on how to do study groups effectivelyly
The real problem is when education and entertainment in on the same platform "UA-cam"
You have to be super motivated and focussed to be able to do sequential half hour sessions with only 5 minutes break. Totally unrealistic in the vast majority of cases.
When not motivated, I nap first to freshen up. Then - when fresh, I try half an hour, with half hour breaks. 2 or 3 times per morning or afternoon.
The key is motivation, getting into the right state of mind, which is dependent on so many things - including private life, exercise, diet. Small achievements build momentum and motivation.
I have a similar opinion but the problem occurs when you have a an ocean of syllabus to cover within a given time. Waiting to be motivated wastes a lot of time.
The advice you are saying is like machine learning (ML) evals, in order to gauge performance of an ML model we need a list of tasks that it's never seen before that require previously seen facts/concepts .
Train a model on the test data, observe improved performance = wow! 100% performance this thing is a super human (it's not, it just recalls facts very well)
Rearchitect the model or employ new algorithms or improve test data, observe improved performance = actual strides to learning
For example, this is what implementing transformers (see Attention is all you need paper) architecture did to machine learning language models, language models existed in the past but they did not learn to the level they did with transformers.
And of course the quality of your model depends on, compute size, data quality, algorithms used, etc.
Drawing parallels:
rearchitecting learning model = rewiring your brain (science probably says this is not possible, but plasticity is the closest thing to this)
training data = quality of your study material (is it facts, is it necessary for your evaluation metrics, eg you don't need to know tiktok dancing routines to learn how to fix a car)
compute size = the environment you're in
algorithms used = study methods, spaced repetition, retrieval methods, memorization, etc
Using this information the only way to tell we are learning is by testing through tasks, eg a job that requires foundational learning blocks accumulated, a final exam that has questions crafted to force critical thinking, etc
Learning is such an expensive endeavor, doing it right reaps huge rewards over a lifetime for people.
General study hints won’t help you too much. Only systematic learning methods step by step with application to real examples can work.
35:38 I got a D in physics my first time. I retook the class, following the professor's advice, which was to read the relevant book chapters one time before each lecture, and one time after. The second time, I got either a B or an A.
What do you think about advice of Ealizabeth Fillips?
21:00 I kind of get what he means for same effort. They were not learning those words as new words. The exercise itself isn't challenging and can even be considered fun. While it takes more cognitive effort, it's not even close to being challenging.
Effort is not limited to cognitive effort. Maybe you need more effort to think about it, but the vowel counting takes effort just to keep doing it since it's boring and pointless.
Adding meaning to information based on context (like the Evaluate stage of bloom's taxonomy) is actually a very strong way to think about information. I think the problem for me when it comes to actually doing this (because I'm still stuck on the Analyse stage) is determining which contexts I can use to strengthen any piece of information. Is there a way for me to tackle this problem?
I was literrally eating a bread when Justin started that analogy
Haha
woww new video. 1 hour. big up thank u dr sung 🔥
Thank youuuuu
Yay you picked a suggested video of mine
Hey justin i am a big fan, how do i continue to study in high order when my lecturers only seem to test me in lower order thinking.
Watching this video in 2x speed while Justin is watching the video in 1.75x speed is so meta lol
Hello Justin, do you have any books/ research papers you recommend to learn more about mind mapping and higher order learning techniques?
Hmmm...I think this calls for a debate. 🤔
So hopefully justin can see this comment, I wanted to know his views if I take the Q and ask higher order learning questions. For example: compare and contrast myasthenia Gravis with Guillian-Barré. I know this may cause these types of questions to be more in the review stage, but I just wanted your perspective.
Okay I am commenting before watching the video I wanted to see his reaction on Sir Marty Lobdell finally got that.
Nice.
Love
The drawing example is also a huge barrier for aspiring artists who have been told they need to draw from memory, which is absolute nonsense. Use reference and build your brain to muscle shape language, and then still use reference. That’s a bigtime no-no being pushed by UA-cam “artists” that makes all professionals cringe.
what is the name of the white noise app ?
Justin do you have any advice/videos for those studying for big medical school entry exams , especially something like the GAMSAT which I found to be 10000x harder than the mcat
Does mindmapping work for law where pictures cant really be used and words and legal terms cannot be shortened as much?
You can use drawings but words are fine too. I personally use the terms, sometimes adding drawings next to it for a more visual representation. What is more important is having a logical flow between the concepts. Make sure all the groupings make sense and are connected after thoroughly thinking and revising the organization.
Hey, I'm in law school currently and have started using a program called Freeplane. It's a great way to organize legal topics and elements
Oh also, I gotta disagree with you about "pictures" not being able to be used. I do little doodles for all the rules/elements and it's honestly the best way to build strong connections
I really have to disagree with the 162 hour comment. A lot of people have to work through college to survive. Probably most college students even. It just seems like a privileged and tone deaf comment.
Pneumonics or mnemonics?
27:35 anyone learning Japanese knows this very well.
amazinnnnnnnggggggg
Can you help me please? I am bored of studying and especially repetitions, I haven't memorised things properly but since I am familiar with the concept I don't feel like going through again.
And also I failed a couple of times, its a competitive exam and I haven't been able to reach the required cut off.
Because of all this my brain shuts down every time I open my book and I am trying to study but everything going over my head, nothing is making sense, I am exasperated, exhausted and highly anxious. Please give some advice.
How do you increase your cognitive abilities???
could you make a video on pocket notebooks as it is said to be underrated
how do you memorize a speech?
Its just practice, its must easier than people think, its just work
@@ChinaVerstehen-pn9ci That's the opposite message of this channel which is using cognitive tools to learn things. @austinwang4551 The old golden method would be a small memory palace
@@Earthesionmemory palace? Thats not used at all today, and extremely hard to even use, (i guarantee u, nobody on eath usese that)a speech is easier to learn by just practicing, you cant avoid the work
Make some key points and keywords to remember the lines.
Memorize the key words and try to recall the concept from the keywords. Give attention to the parts you couldn’t recall. Active recall the keywords and points with flashcards. And study the whole thing minimum 3 sessions before the presentation. Every session you will need much less time as you can recall more than before.
@@ChinaVerstehen-pn9ci Even justin sung uses it. The point is that it IS work to apply these mental techniques. That's what makes you remember it. We're arguing for the same mental effort appplied in different ways. You just want brute force
I used to study on my bed, worstt thing ever
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Heh, you should make a video for people procrastinating by listening to your study techniques. You're no doubt helping them, but there might be a lot of viewers who especially benefit from procrastination pep talks.
Self regulated learners 🤝 the aggregation of marginal gains
Justin i tried higher order learning for a year but my marks decreased .What am i doing wrong
too challenging material or not enough relax to refresh brain
The information you are giving is totally unsufficient if you want genuine help. What do you even mean by high order and how did this play out in practice?
To study you just need to study.
Early gang🤲
someone give tldr plz
TLTW
5:08
SiLLy MiStakEs 😂
Aren't we an hour early?
Dude stop with the click baiting titles and focus on creating valuable content. Money has corrupted you.
Wtf, there's literally not a single word in his title that's clickbait, you naughty naughty troll
What part of the title was clickbait? He is literally reacting to study advice as an expert himself
@@terminallucidity I swear bro, ever since the rock n roll era died and the wild sex parties stopped, people became so negative. For the sake of a positive humanity, we gotta bring the wild sex parties back
Right? I found his channel valuable in the beginning but now he's calling himself "expert" and his videos are generally becoming a long humble-brag sessions that take forever to get the point. I think the fame is getting to his head.
@@Princessbubblegum567 nothing wrong with calling himself an expert when he actually is one. Plus he’s already made enough videos on the learning side of things, everyone would just say he’s recycling content if he continued
Nobody has 49 minutes for your opinion
strongest tiktok/UA-cam shorts user:
people spend 5h daily wasted on social media...
49m isn't that long
@@szymonbaranowski8184so true! My younger sister cannot pay attention to the videos I send because they are “too long”, yet she watches 7 hours of tiktok! 49 minutes is truly nothing 😒
@@szymonbaranowski8184 this is 49 minutes of vague nonsense, its just a ad for his expensive course because what he says in his videos makes no fucking sense
There is a concept:
Natural development of the subject.
There are so-many benefits of this method of learning.
1. There are very less things to remember in such a text book.
2. Actually, the real merit lies in the author of such a text book. If a student is focused, he will recognize this merit of the textbook author.
3. The trick is that the author feels clearly, how much my reader's mind will get tortured upon reading this passage of my text book. According, they make their book less terse.
4. Due to this reason, a student finds such a book friendly. At all the time student is motivated.
Gang
Dr. Sung, so you're saying Marty Lobdell is wrong. He has Masters in psychology and approximately more than 40 years of practice... Now, YT is full of clickbaits. If this is another one, I'm gonna eat your cat!
39:00 Talking about scamming, hm. So your 100% clickbait here you do not consider as scam? Oh, it's not, it's called MARKETING STRATEGY! Eh...
Video done. You lost cat. I don't understand why people do this. Making a person watch a video with a false headline and pissing them off so they don't come back. And even if he sees something interesting from you, he'll just think it's just another lie anyway. What's it worth? We lose time with the video, you lose viewers...
I have more "silly mistakes" than literally anyone I know. Genuinely, I've gotten answers wrong because I copied the answer in the calculator incorrectly when I wrote it on the page. 🙃 I would write the final "math" answer correctly on the page, I would correctly put that "math" answer in the calculator to get it output as some ugly number with a bunch of decimals. Finally, I would then copy ALMOST that same number down from the calculator to the page. 🥲 The only reason I know I actually put it into the calculator correctly is because of calculator history. Otherwise, I might gaslight myself.
I've always believed that tests commonly assess more skills than instructors are even aware of. 😅
dang! chill down your talking please too fast I had to keep repeating the video. Anyways I agree with what you said.
Guys… I want to get the ICanStudy program but does it really work?
If you are patient and follow the process, yes. :)
It takes a little bit of time, but I got their program and I think it was very worth it.
yes
It's Not An Usual Course, It's Structure Is Different & Effective. You Need Time, Patience & Practice To Finish This Course. When They Teach You Something In A Session They'll Ask You To Practice It And Send Your Practiced Things To The Review Staff, They'll Check If You've Practiced Correctly Or Not, If You've Done The Practice Correctly Then Only You Can Move To Next Session
Yes, the methods taught there are from evidence based research, but you also need to put in the effort, cognitively for it to work. It's the skills that you need to master there, so patience is really gonna help, but I can say you won't regret joining the course :)
Ok, ok! I'm gonna go to bed and finish the video tomorrow!
edit: alright, I came back and finished the video!~
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