Do you actually feel any assist in eco mode? Seems it just feels like a regular bike and in full assist the range just 30 miles, so its not that efficient. I rode a crosscore and it didn't feel like it was giving much power in any of the assist levels
Personally, I can feel a difference in turning off the assist and having it in Eco+ for certain. If you get on the bike and expect it take off like a hub motor, it doesn't. The assist on this bike is directly tied to your own effort. In Eco+ for certain it requires more effort to get it to give noticeable power/assist. If I ride like 25% effort it feels a bit heavy and not so much assist 15-17mph. If I ride at 50% effort the bike feels much better, and the assist is more noticeable 17-19mph. If I ride at 75% effort the bike feels heavy but the assist is noticeably more and top speed goes to about 22mph. This is all in Eco+ of course. It behaves differently in the other modes.
I think I watched the same video that set your expectations. I think that other test averaged around 11 mph and wondering if yours was higher. I'd personally be thrilled with 80 miles. I get mine today and I'll let you know how I much I get after I drain it.
I just looked and with some stopping and a little wait at times before I take off. My average was 18-19mph for all the rides included in the eco+ range test. I’d bet like you said if I went slower the range would be there. This bike doesn’t like to go slow though. 😅 It’s good to know the range is better if I ride slower. I will at some point go on a longer ride with friends and want to make sure I have the juice to hang with them on longer rides.
@@Vanessa-j1j I'd agree with that as well. Really, I think for my testing the thing that brought the range down was my speed. I was constantly at 20-22 mph; this bike likes to assist even if you didn't ask for it. It's hard for me to pace myself with any bike really. I get on and want to go fast and this bike is FAST!
These things are said to weigh 40+ lbs so I guess they're not much fun to ride without assistance? There are other bikes out there weighing a lot less due to using hub motors like MAHLE. I've got a couple of those and they ride enough like regular bikes that I use the assist only when the climbs are steep - my latest one has almost 3000 kms on it and has been charged...2 times. That bike has a claimed weight of less than 30 lbs. "Range anxiety" is overblown, same as with cars..too much "not that you would, but you could" thinking IMHO. These things are NOT e-mopeds folks!
@@Roxlimn I agree, I definitely think 100miles + can be done in ideal conditions. I also think speed has a lot of influence on it as well. The way I ride is much faster/harder than I think they intended. I think they expected ppl to ride it without putting in a lot of effort. Sometimes I think I should just ride a regular bike. But then I feel the speed and remember why I love e-bikes.
@@InfiniteMishaps That sounds broadly right. I have 4 ebikes of varying types and makes. Really, the motors aren't that different from each other in terms of efficiency. Same tech, just varying levels of polish in implementation. The primary determinants of range are weight, speed, elevation gain, wind, battery capacity and rider input. At 500 Wh for 160 km, we're looking at an astonishing 3.125 Wh/km. For that to be feasible, all the factors have to align. You have to be relatively light (with good power to weight ratio) with no cargo on the bike, and going only at 15 mph, with flat terrain, and no headwinds. And you have to be putting in at least 50% of the energy yourself, which means Eco+ mode only. Every factor against you cuts range. My own usage is about 5-6 Wh/km, on a variety of bikes. It's surprisingly consistent, given the same terrain, weather and power assistance. It almost doesn't matter what the system is.
I believe it was between 40-50psi. If I didn't mention it here, I definitely did in at least one of my other videos. 40psi in the first few rides and 50psi in the last few of the test. Tbh it was probably closer to 3000ft of elevation as well. Glad you find it amusing. Thanks for watching!
Do you actually feel any assist in eco mode? Seems it just feels like a regular bike and in full assist the range just 30 miles, so its not that efficient. I rode a crosscore and it didn't feel like it was giving much power in any of the assist levels
Personally, I can feel a difference in turning off the assist and having it in Eco+ for certain. If you get on the bike and expect it take off like a hub motor, it doesn't. The assist on this bike is directly tied to your own effort. In Eco+ for certain it requires more effort to get it to give noticeable power/assist. If I ride like 25% effort it feels a bit heavy and not so much assist 15-17mph. If I ride at 50% effort the bike feels much better, and the assist is more noticeable 17-19mph. If I ride at 75% effort the bike feels heavy but the assist is noticeably more and top speed goes to about 22mph. This is all in Eco+ of course. It behaves differently in the other modes.
I think I watched the same video that set your expectations. I think that other test averaged around 11 mph and wondering if yours was higher. I'd personally be thrilled with 80 miles. I get mine today and I'll let you know how I much I get after I drain it.
I just looked and with some stopping and a little wait at times before I take off. My average was 18-19mph for all the rides included in the eco+ range test. I’d bet like you said if I went slower the range would be there. This bike doesn’t like to go slow though. 😅 It’s good to know the range is better if I ride slower. I will at some point go on a longer ride with friends and want to make sure I have the juice to hang with them on longer rides.
@@Vanessa-j1j I'd agree with that as well. Really, I think for my testing the thing that brought the range down was my speed. I was constantly at 20-22 mph; this bike likes to assist even if you didn't ask for it. It's hard for me to pace myself with any bike really. I get on and want to go fast and this bike is FAST!
Yea, I’ve been expecting 100+, I do notice “standard” the battery drains quickly
@@skynels3744 interested to hear what your range is once tested
These things are said to weigh 40+ lbs so I guess they're not much fun to ride without assistance? There are other bikes out there weighing a lot less due to using hub motors like MAHLE. I've got a couple of those and they ride enough like regular bikes that I use the assist only when the climbs are steep - my latest one has almost 3000 kms on it and has been charged...2 times. That bike has a claimed weight of less than 30 lbs. "Range anxiety" is overblown, same as with cars..too much "not that you would, but you could" thinking IMHO. These things are NOT e-mopeds folks!
What bike do you have currently? Might be fun comparing the two bikes spec wise. Thanks
100 miles sounds like a flat test. No way the energy covers that distance with that much elevation.
@@Roxlimn I agree, I definitely think 100miles + can be done in ideal conditions. I also think speed has a lot of influence on it as well. The way I ride is much faster/harder than I think they intended. I think they expected ppl to ride it without putting in a lot of effort. Sometimes I think I should just ride a regular bike. But then I feel the speed and remember why I love e-bikes.
@@InfiniteMishaps That sounds broadly right. I have 4 ebikes of varying types and makes. Really, the motors aren't that different from each other in terms of efficiency. Same tech, just varying levels of polish in implementation.
The primary determinants of range are weight, speed, elevation gain, wind, battery capacity and rider input. At 500 Wh for 160 km, we're looking at an astonishing 3.125 Wh/km.
For that to be feasible, all the factors have to align. You have to be relatively light (with good power to weight ratio) with no cargo on the bike, and going only at 15 mph, with flat terrain, and no headwinds. And you have to be putting in at least 50% of the energy yourself, which means Eco+ mode only.
Every factor against you cuts range.
My own usage is about 5-6 Wh/km, on a variety of bikes. It's surprisingly consistent, given the same terrain, weather and power assistance. It almost doesn't matter what the system is.
HAHAHAHA complains about range with 2500 elevation gain and didn't mention tire pressure.
I believe it was between 40-50psi. If I didn't mention it here, I definitely did in at least one of my other videos. 40psi in the first few rides and 50psi in the last few of the test. Tbh it was probably closer to 3000ft of elevation as well. Glad you find it amusing. Thanks for watching!
Unless the tires were almost flat, it's not gonna make all that much difference. People need to get over this range anxiety in general.