Building a Power Efficient Home Server!

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  • Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
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    00:00 Intro
    01:16 Why care about power efficiency?
    02:26 Platform (Motherboard & CPU)
    05:34 Ultra small-form-factor PCs
    06:18 miniITX Motherboards
    07:41 Efficient mATX and ATX motherboards
    09:22 Package C-States
    10:34 Devices that prevent low C-States
    11:43 Power supply
    13:37 Storage
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    14:40 Storage (cont.)
    15:27 To spindown or not to spindown?
    17:30 Tiered caching
    19:25 Outro
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  • @WolfgangsChannel
    @WolfgangsChannel  Рік тому +212

    elmuz's Mover script: github.com/notthebee/infra/blob/29aacdb50ee28d3728b0fbcd542f2fa4d5396219/roles/filesystems/mergerfs/templates/mergerfs-uncache.j2
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    Full build:
    - Supermicro SC833
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    - Mellanox ConnectX-3 10Gbe SFP+
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    - PicoPSU 160W + Leicke 150W 12V 13A

    • @Airbag888
      @Airbag888 Рік тому +1

      @@techster1689 He touches on that in the video.. I think it would be great but could be costly as you'd need a laptop that has 2 nvme slots with enough lanes

    • @fawkesdotbe
      @fawkesdotbe Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the links

    • @alexpetrov9911
      @alexpetrov9911 Рік тому

      Example with old China bitcoin miner is not a best one, because even old S5/S7/B8 miners is aprox 25.000 more efficient and consume 175.000x less energy comparing to even modern CPU ;-)
      all the rest is good and useful.
      We build and optimize server solutions for years...

    • @MrLexhoya
      @MrLexhoya Рік тому +9

      Very useful info. How I solved it right now is having 3 i3 NUCs in a cluster with 1 i3 SFF Mobo with SSD storage, where I move loads to one if not needed and shut down 2 hosts.
      When I plan on using it more intensively, I spin both hosts up and it will load-balance automagically.
      One NUC is 15w top, 5w on no load. The TrueNAS i3 uses roughly the same.

    • @Airbag888
      @Airbag888 Рік тому +2

      @@MrLexhoya You know you should make a video/blog about this.. it's hard to grasp everything from 1 paragraph but it still seems quite interesting

  • @burnzy3210
    @burnzy3210 Рік тому +1764

    I genuinely find power efficiency more interesting than high performance.

    • @alexpetrov9911
      @alexpetrov9911 Рік тому +25

      Then you should know, custom ASIC is 10.000++ more efficient vs multipurpose std CPU.

    • @FatherlyFox
      @FatherlyFox Рік тому +49

      I'd absolutely love if there was a company that produced an appliance that is as power efficient as possible but maintains nearly the identical amount of performance to competitors or prior products. Like for example, instead of a 250W CPU we could theoretically have a 5-10W CPU with around the same performance and features will little to no noticeable difference.
      We need more efficient appliances with the same amount of computing horsepower instead of strongarm components that will blow a fuse if you even look at it wrong.

    • @alexpetrov9911
      @alexpetrov9911 Рік тому +10

      @@FatherlyFox that's exist and possible with cutting some useless functions and focusing on task goals. Like I mentioned upper fpga do their job already. Or limited arm/rockchip/realtek boards.

    • @swecreations
      @swecreations Рік тому +1

      Same

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 Рік тому +6

      @@FatherlyFox Apple has already sort of done it but without the modularity. I have heard Qualcomm has a project to produce something similar but we'd need something that had feature parity from a gaming and business pov I feel before that would really be viable.

  • @owieOne
    @owieOne Рік тому +539

    Thank you! I can now convince my dad his house won’t become a power plant when I build my homelab

    • @lua-nya
      @lua-nya Рік тому +34

      Alternatively you could make it a solar power plant! But yeah this is a good bunch of arguments.

    • @user2C47
      @user2C47 Рік тому +45

      Same. My roommates won't let me run my computer because it looks scary (Dell PowerEdge case) and they think it will with absolute certainty trip the breaker.
      Meanwhile they're willfully oblivious to the 1800 watts the space heater uses.

    • @VileStorms
      @VileStorms Рік тому +11

      @@user2C47 My microwave combined with a coffee maker trips the breaker every second day when I inevitably forget that I can't use both at the same time.

    • @potaetoupotautoe7939
      @potaetoupotautoe7939 Рік тому +2

      @@VileStorms change it lol

    • @VileStorms
      @VileStorms Рік тому +8

      @@potaetoupotautoe7939 Can't tear open the walls and replace the wiring in an apartment building so that it can support 20Amps.

  • @alexgrig3716
    @alexgrig3716 Рік тому +359

    I rarely ever engage after watching a video, but I have recently tried to do some research myself, and I had *a lot* of difficulty finding any good resources at all. This must have taken a very long time and it explains the relevant properties to look out for really well. Thank you for that!

    • @Sygmond
      @Sygmond 9 місяців тому +3

      I came here to say exactly the same thing!

    • @derkommentar3006
      @derkommentar3006 9 місяців тому

      Same, i dident even knew about PicoPSU´s before!

    • @souk-tv
      @souk-tv 3 місяці тому

      Same... 👍

  • @CyberBlaed
    @CyberBlaed Рік тому +387

    As the 1 person who finds this useful :) thank you! In Australia, we are dying for better power efficiencies!

    • @ihateyoutubehandles
      @ihateyoutubehandles Рік тому +26

      Trust me there's more people looking at their homelab wattage, you're not alone! :P

    • @Airbag888
      @Airbag888 Рік тому +9

      You're not alone at all and it's not just Australia

    • @thecookeman
      @thecookeman Рік тому +5

      Yeah our power costs in Australia compared to the rest of the world. Fortunately we have great solar plans so we only really need to be worried about power usage at night

    • @Airbag888
      @Airbag888 Рік тому +5

      @@thecookeman Where I am we don't really.. so even with my off grid system I try to keep everything as low as possible because my panels + batteries don't last all night sadly

    • @ahwx
      @ahwx Рік тому +2

      @@thecookeman how much per kw? i pay about 1 usd/kw

  • @auto117666
    @auto117666 Рік тому +34

    This is an underrated video. Your research into this subject was well done and extremely helpful. Thank you.

  • @pokemanic101
    @pokemanic101 Рік тому +104

    This actually is exactly the video I needed, thanks a bunch Wolfgang! I would have never found that spreadsheet otherwise!

  • @nunoalexandre4273
    @nunoalexandre4273 Рік тому +4

    Greetings @Wolfgang, I just have to say that I'm amazed with all your videos. I love your detailed explanations and depth of knowledge. Thanks for sharing it with the world and please keep up the great work!

  • @andyk6453
    @andyk6453 Рік тому +8

    I really enjoyed this video. I've been considering making a small home server, and regardless if I just piece together something from spare parts or go power efficient, your video gave me great ideas.

  • @dunumanz1679
    @dunumanz1679 3 місяці тому +6

    As someone who is about to build my very first NAS and live in a country where our power bills literally cost an arm and a leg, this video is very helpful.
    I bought my hard drives yesterday and am going o do the setup and configuration today.
    Thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video.

  • @MaxPrehl
    @MaxPrehl Рік тому +3

    Wow Wolfgang! This is an amazing reference guide! Thank you so much for answering tons of questions i didn't even know i had!

  • @Sygmond
    @Sygmond 9 місяців тому +2

    In the last 5 months I go on and off research on my little free time to get to a power efficient nas conclusion and my mind is dizzy from so much confusion and too much knowledge… I almost gave up till I found this video. You have no idea how much of a help is this.
    Thank you for all the really hard work you did on this and for all the information provided! Amazing! Just amazing!

  • @HazewinDog
    @HazewinDog Рік тому +3

    Wonderful video! Thank you. This answers the questions I had, as well as questions I hadn't even thought of yet!
    I was about ready to deploy my first home server, but it idles at 72W with the two WD Blacks (don't judge, they were very cheap) only consuming 8W each. Now I know where to look in order to optimize it :)

  • @PhillyPose
    @PhillyPose Рік тому +30

    Love the video. Been seriously looking at replacing my old server with a lot newer for thw power efficiency. This was definitely helpful

  • @brianlawson2383
    @brianlawson2383 Рік тому +7

    Great Video! As a demonstration of how much a similar rated power supply can vary, I dropped from 37w to 29w idle by swapping out a bronze corsair 450w (1YO) to a gold (older) corsair SF450 supply I had kicking about. Testing it with just one sata ssd came down to 21w at the wall - not bad for a 8 year old Supermicro X10SLL Haswell setup with IPMI / E3-1271-V3 / 32gb mem.

  • @TheEndpointEngineer
    @TheEndpointEngineer 10 місяців тому

    This is SUPER helpful, thank you for all the time and energy you put into getting to where you are and then sharing it with us.

  • @t1bor194
    @t1bor194 11 місяців тому +1

    I started planning my homelab and this video is incredible.Thanks Wolfgang!

  • @peegee101
    @peegee101 Рік тому +7

    Hey Wolfgang, I have been looking for tutorial like this for a while. I love the analysis and learned a lot!

  • @MrMoxes
    @MrMoxes Рік тому +6

    Some really good points made here. Followed some of your advice & adjusted my spindown times similar to what you suggested. It's not a huge difference in terms of waiting for the drive to spin back up. 17:05 That did kill me! LoL Something about that noise, gets me every time Ha ha

  • @jusw
    @jusw Рік тому +2

    I am *so* grateful for you to covering this topic and in such detail: I was coming round to the view that I was the only person in the world that cared about idle power consumption.... THANK YOU!!!

  • @Don_XII
    @Don_XII Рік тому

    Thanks for this. I will eventually make my homelab server when I settle somewhere and I always wanted to make sure that it does not consume too much power.

  • @theinternationalotaku
    @theinternationalotaku Рік тому +3

    I recently just moved to Europe and boy oh boy do I need this video. Thank you so much, Wolfgang for all the work you put into finding all this information out

    • @KameraShy
      @KameraShy Рік тому

      Energy prices in the USA are skyrocketing. Electric and I just got my gas bill. Up about 50% over last year. Same usage.

  • @denvera1g1
    @denvera1g1 Рік тому +9

    13:52 Note that larger capacity drives generally have faster read/write, my 16TB EXOS 7200RPM drives have something like 250MB/s over SATA, if you are targeting power efficiency over IOPS you could get fewer larger drives, the up side is added room for expansion later.
    The downside is that re-building/resilvering an array can be harrowing if you dont have on-site redundancy, as re-building a 16TB drive can take days, and puts a lot of load on the remaining drives that were bought around the same time and have been in use for just as long as the drive that just failed
    If you dont have on-site redundancy, get more more smaller drives in software raid6/ ZFS-Z6 equivalent.
    With on site redundancy, i still recommend raid 6(lose any 2 drives without losing data) but you dont need as many drives to get the same usable storage, meaning lower power consumption.
    When buying drives i reccomend staggering their purchase and deployment.
    If you're moving from an old file server to a new one, i reccomend keeping the old file server up and running as redundancy, and after things are moved to the new server, wait a few months, then replace the drives in the old server with enough drives to give you redundancy for your main server. This waiting period also applies to if you are building 2 new servers. The reason i suggest spreading the ordering/deployment of the drives is that if they are all deployed at the same time, and one of them fails, that means they may all be close to failure, and re-building the array on the new machine might be enough to take down multiple drives, leaving you with only your backup server, and if they were purchased at the same time, and put through the same wear as the primary server, re-building the primary server may also render the secndary server's pool degraded.

  • @karlfimm
    @karlfimm Рік тому +1

    So much excellent information, and just as I'm starting to spec a new home server. Thanks.

  • @WartimeFriction
    @WartimeFriction Рік тому +1

    Hey King. This is the first video of yours I've watched. Great considerations considering I'll be looking to build my first homelab soon. Scrolled through some of your other videos, just wanted to say your haircut in this one looks great, and thanks for sharing your knowledge. Cheers

  • @xNemesis_
    @xNemesis_ Рік тому +36

    This video is so useful i've been interested a lot by home server lately with NAS. And i've watched your previous vids about it and they were very good and this one is perfect to know more about which parts to look at. Thanks man 👍 definitely be useful in the future
    Edit: also great memes

  • @tubefulable
    @tubefulable Рік тому +47

    Your work is definitely not in vain. I've been influenced by a lot of North American tech content that hasn't been focused on energy consumption and now my wallet reaps the energy bill consequences ;) thank you very much for sharing your own sound!

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 10 місяців тому

      really out here acting like rampant consumerism is a "north american" thing...

    • @tubefulable
      @tubefulable 10 місяців тому +7

      I'm sorry to hear you see it that way. I was referring to the difference in energy prizes at that moment in time. Of course 'consumerism' occurs in many places outside of the north American continent as well, but I was not saying or implying that in any way, anyhow.

  • @djtaylorutube
    @djtaylorutube Рік тому +2

    Thank you for introducing me to powertop. Absolutely spot on, I used to run my home PC (gaming spec) and a Xeon based NAS with 10 spinners and they added 1/3 to my energy bill (not all wasted though, they do heat my small office). However, with the recent energy price increases, looking around for savings, they were the first to go, much to the displeasure of my wife, losing Plex.
    I've recently set up a mini PC with external USB 5 bay chassis with SSDs and am running Proxmox for a power consumption that's a fraction of previous. I'll revisit my NAS but the old ebay 10gig rack switch had to go, that was 50W+ sitting idle all day. It's crazy how all this adds up to a base vampire load.
    I can comfortably afford the cost of energy, just refuse to subsidise the inept, criminally corrupt UK energy market.

  • @darth_dan8886
    @darth_dan8886 4 дні тому

    This is such an interesting take - I haven't heard this angle covered nearly enough. Thank you!

  • @acollins319
    @acollins319 Рік тому +3

    The best video I've seen. As a home lab builder this is gold!

  • @KwanLowe
    @KwanLowe Рік тому +3

    This is super useful. Thanks. Power is relatively inexpensive here (USA) but my energy costs have doubled in the past year. The local power company has some power reduction program but from anecdotal reports, it has been abused by the power company. I'd like to do a local-only version that controls all systems, shuts off idle systems either on demand or via schedule,

  • @MagnonEntertain
    @MagnonEntertain Рік тому +2

    I recently build myself a little Homeserver with an i3 4130 for the occasional transcoding needs. That thing runs idle on 7.3 Watts and with storage for movies on about 14.5 watts. Absolutely loving it. The system cost me around 50 bucks in total. The drives I'm using are worth 4 times the system 😂. If i ever need more CPU horsepower, I could chug in my old 4690k. Really nice to have that as an option

  • @MichaelKlements
    @MichaelKlements Рік тому +3

    Awesome video, I'm also probably a little too obsessed with power consumption on devices on my home network. Even relatively low-power smart home devices and SBCs can result in substantial increases in utility costs when running 24/7 and in numbers (smart bulbs, plugs, displays etc.)

    • @KameraShy
      @KameraShy Рік тому

      All this stuff adds up, as I am finding. My electric bill in the USA has gone up by 25% in just one year, same usage.

  • @Paul-bm8og
    @Paul-bm8og Рік тому

    I love it! I live in Germany myself and the high energy prices and the high power consumption of a server have always deterred me from having a server at home myself. Now I'm thinking about it after all. Thank you :)

  • @decryptmars
    @decryptmars 4 місяці тому

    Fantastic video, Wolfgang. I was searching for guidance on building a power efficient homeserver (since living in southern Germany...) and this helps out a lot. I was even looking into the hw forum but overlooked this thread.

  • @JesperHultqvist
    @JesperHultqvist Рік тому +6

    What a great video! Exactly what I have been looking for! I am in Europe as well (Sweden) and the electricity prices really make you think twice before deploying anything that will draw power all the time.

  • @zimbu_
    @zimbu_ Рік тому +8

    Fujitsu sponsor this man! He's the only tech youtuber who has mentioned you this decade.

  • @gpzim981
    @gpzim981 3 місяці тому

    This is probably one of the best videos I’ve watched on UA-cam on a long time.
    Thank you for the huge efforts put into this, and teve detailed information

  • @77darkghost77
    @77darkghost77 Рік тому

    I'm just starting to plan an home server for my new home where I'll move later this year and this video is very interesting, thank you very much !

  • @Standbackforscience
    @Standbackforscience Рік тому +28

    Great video wolfgang, I live in Denmark and have been struggling for years to get information just like this. The hardware information in this video is extremely useful, and I'd love to see an OS/software setup equivalent. I run Proxmox on my homeserver, and the PM community isn't very interested in the subject of low power servers. Also, any experience with spinning down ZFS arrays? Taking inspiration from this video I've started collecting parts to try another ultra-low power build (my current idles at 40watts), but it would be great learning from those who have already tried this.

    • @kingneutron1
      @kingneutron1 Рік тому

      > any experience with spinning down ZFS arrays
      Personal experience, I have an iMac running 24/7 with a Firewire-800 ZFS drive as my daily driver, it stores the movies I want to watch short-term. Long-term storage is a ZFS tower with 2 pools, 6x4TB for Blurays and 4x6TB for DVDs. If you're not currently using a pool, you can ' zpool export ' it and run ' hdparm -y ' on the drives that make up that pool. This pretty much guarantees those drives won't spin up again until you re-import the pool, as nothing will be trying to send I/O to them. But to save maximum money, I only turn the tower on during the weekend - when electricity is cheaper - and copy short-term movies over to my iMac.

    • @dustojnikhummer
      @dustojnikhummer 10 місяців тому

      @@kingneutron1Exporting a pool as archiving?

  • @Deadboy90
    @Deadboy90 Рік тому +4

    Great vid, just a side note. Being a "T" series CPU sometimes affects more than just TDP. For example, the i5 3470 is a 4core, 4thread part but the i5 3470T is actually a 2 core, 4 thread chip.

  • @luckshouldbeshared1775
    @luckshouldbeshared1775 Рік тому

    Thank you for your effort in teaching & sharing your knowledge !!!

  • @peeter22
    @peeter22 Рік тому

    Nice to see a video in this topic. Because of the raising electricity prices I decided to replace my "big" media server (i3-4330) with a NUC with an Intel Processor J3455 + an external 3.5" HDD only to find out I have a lot to learn in this topic (and TDP means nothing in this case )as both machines draw about 20w in idle.
    It would be nice to see more videos on how to make hardware more efficient in the future.

  • @ntgm20
    @ntgm20 Рік тому +4

    Power efficiency in consumer computer systems has improved by leaps and bounds in the 25 years I've been using them. I'm super impressed when I see desktop systems that can hit an idle point at or under 10 watts. I found my recent gaming boards though to not be as efficient, idling around 20 watts. What were you using to monitor power usage over time?

  • @arlecchinothelibrarian2728
    @arlecchinothelibrarian2728 Рік тому +7

    Thank you for the informative video, exactly what I needed during this odd period. What kind of hardware/software do you use to monitor your power usage?

  • @gametaunt
    @gametaunt Рік тому +1

    built a power effecient nearly passively cooled nas/homeserver/media pc several years ago, still using it to this day, it has been running roughly 7 years now 24/7. idle consumption ranging between 10-20 watts and under max load/boot its roughly 60 watts. still proud of it. but yes power-save cpu states are mandatory and so is using a ssd for OS/boot disk. and then there is choosing the right OS for the build.

  • @honsu920
    @honsu920 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video, man! As a beginner self-hoster from Germany I say big thank you! The part with snoring HDDs is hilarious )))

  • @wchorski
    @wchorski Рік тому +17

    12:05 "if your building a conventional desktop PC, you're probably not gonna let it sit at idle and let it do nothing for the whole day"
    stairs at RGB lights for 8 hours

  • @carlosetejada10
    @carlosetejada10 Рік тому +4

    Nice video, thanks for sharing! What's that dashboard you have with your smart home equipment and media on 6:12? Looks so clean!
    Thanks, again!

  • @corvi16
    @corvi16 Рік тому

    Such a well put together video, super informative and well edited. Keep it going!

  • @binarytech8457
    @binarytech8457 Рік тому

    This is the most interesting YT video I've seen this week. Before watching this video I did't even cared about how power efficient my server is. Now I'm very interested to build one just for fun :-) Awesome work sir!

  • @ericnewton5720
    @ericnewton5720 Рік тому +10

    The thing I’m most interested in, after idle power draw is the ssd cache tier. I hope you spend a lot of time in various ways to configure it adequately for like truenas and a few others if you could. Logistically I hope the ssd cache is transparent, where the nas shares always present the ssd first and then falls back to hdd. There’s also the annoyance of windows explorer wanting to generate previews or access key frames of video, which in my experience cause random spin ups of my nas drives.

    • @fthorsen
      @fthorsen Рік тому +2

      I'm wondering if it would be better with two NVMe arrays instead of just one "cache" array. With true tiering you would write anything to the cache array - the data would be moved. But for things such as logs, containers, VMs, etc, they should probably stay on a none-cache NVMe array, then use another NVMe array for caching only (read/write). This would require a minimum of 4 NVMe SSDs. Maybe something for Wolfgang to look into when he gets his new SSDs...?
      I'm using an old silent tower server for testing TrueNAS Scale to see if I can get rid of my 8 bay Synology NAS, and replace it with a 2-4U rack solution. But finding silent rack servers (might need two; one server and one jbos rack case) aren't that easy (in Norway). I would love for my disks to be able to spin down though as 9x% of the disk usage is new data (last month).

    • @CB27
      @CB27 10 місяців тому

      Dave's Garage has a good video on caching

  • @brianhorn9796
    @brianhorn9796 Рік тому +15

    Love your home server videos - currently I'm using a Raspberry Pi with an external SSD as my "home server', but I'm excited to go through your videos again when the time finally comes to upgrade to something beefier :-)
    One question - would you say your current build when idle is quiet enough to have in a Wohnheim?

    • @WolfgangsChannel
      @WolfgangsChannel  Рік тому +7

      Yes! I can barely hear it unless all four hard drives are being hammered by a bunch of random reads/writes

    • @brianhorn9796
      @brianhorn9796 Рік тому +1

      @@WolfgangsChannel Awesome, thanks!

  • @Syphon83
    @Syphon83 Рік тому

    This is gold! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

  • @Itsallfun3000
    @Itsallfun3000 7 місяців тому +2

    Wolfgang this is the first video of yours I have seen but I am glad to see someone talking about power. I am in the UK and like you it is expensive and I found it confusing how nobody seemed concerned about the costs. I currently use a laptop as my home server, I will purchase a nas for storage to get me off the cloud and properly setup. I think this with the laptop is just about perfect. Low power, and a laptop is powerful enough to transcode 4k on the fly as well with the Intel graphics. Used laptops have some great features and often just don't cost that much at all and are plentiful. In the UK if you buy from cex used, everything has a 2 year warranty as well. Win.

  • @rodrigoalexandre8714
    @rodrigoalexandre8714 Рік тому +6

    Hey. What is the software/hardware you use to measure power consumption?

  • @davocc2405
    @davocc2405 Рік тому +8

    I'd go quite a bit further - start by first looking at this from a data-use viewpoint. I have been doing this type of thing for about 15 years as I was running in Australia where power was 3x the price of Canada. Eventually I realised that the best approach was a super-low always-on solution and then block archiving to a "usually off" system (not in standby but powered off). You can use WoL to wake the archival server and in the end I've found that the archival servers (I use N36L's) are on perhaps once a month for dumping or retrieval. I run a Pi 4b with a 2.5" drive via USB3 - does all I need to for "active use" material, downloading (e.g. aria2 downloading service provider), etc. It also lets me archive in a disciplined manner, albeit in a time consuming one.
    I'm not sure of your use case scenario here (sounds like you've got a lot of video footage for editing, etc.) so that may not work the same way but for most people I think it's crucial to think from the information management perspective first - how am I going to use this thing, is an all-in-one system better or is it better to split the systems up, etc.
    The other big advantage of splitting is that you can bring in a lot more horsepower when you really need it and quite cheaply. I don't need that much but I have an ESXi Xeon e3 (ancient system) that I fire up when doing tests, etc. and I even have a half-missing thinkpad which I built from parts (it has no screen, keyboard, etc) but I wake it and use its old i5 to chomp on archives at a whim. You can script the wake and sleep cycles with the job you're running, the thing is completely powered off or in total standby almost all of the time each month.

  • @ewerybody
    @ewerybody Рік тому +2

    Power efficiency and consumption are super exciting topics! ... i mean at least to me! Awesome interesting video! Exactly what I was looking for.

  • @PedroCostaLopes
    @PedroCostaLopes Рік тому +1

    Thank you. Even if I didn't care about electricity bills, which I do (power here is extremely expensive as well) you're helping us to build a more power EFFICIENT system, and I love efficiency, either power or anything else. Thank you.

  • @froid_san
    @froid_san Рік тому +6

    Power efficiency was always my concern when I started learning selfhosting, since I would be running the hardware 24/7. That's why I've been sticking with a raspberry pi and an old x240 thinkpad. Now I've gained more knowledge on how to upgrade my hardware while still keeping the power cost down.
    Just curious, are Pico ATX reliable on a 24/7 usage?

    • @joey_f4ke238
      @joey_f4ke238 9 місяців тому

      They should, as long as you stay within reasonable loads as to not overheat and fry the little thing

  • @zaitarh
    @zaitarh Рік тому +4

    Nice video and information! I think it would also be interesting with a video about what can be done if you want a desktop PC that could both do crazy high performance and have low idle power consumption as well. Like a Ryzen 7900x with a 10-20W idle, for example. (Perhaps a hotkey in windows to enable/disable cores, motherboard features, graphics card performance, etc, to manually help it go to lower power would be necessary?).

    • @Martinit0
      @Martinit0 2 місяці тому +1

      Check the settings under "Energy" in Windows Settings. There is quite a lot you can configure.
      Also, modern graphics card power down while under low load automatically (they reduce clock frequency of GPU and RAM quite significantly, for example).
      CPUs themselves go into lower power states in milliseconds.

  • @mineturte
    @mineturte Рік тому

    great tech tips! filled with tons of great and useful information. i will DEFINETLY use at least one of these tips when making my home server soon :)

  • @UKA0x7C9
    @UKA0x7C9 Рік тому

    Thank you.
    You are one of the few UA-camrs who covers this topic. 👍

  • @KalosLikesComputers
    @KalosLikesComputers Рік тому +5

    Really interesting! I wanted to make a video about this but concerning gaming desktop PCs, for example a PC with a 12900K and a 3090Ti vs a PC with the most power-efficient parts without sacrificing too much performance. Do you think it's worth chasing as a topic, or is the cost negligible at that point?

    • @WolfgangsChannel
      @WolfgangsChannel  Рік тому +3

      Definitely! LTT made a video about it 3 years ago, and personally I would love to see an updated version ua-cam.com/video/-d8gcfbjoZM/v-deo.html

    • @NFMorley
      @NFMorley Рік тому +2

      Another thumbs up here! LTT also did an ultra-low power build under the guise of the 'Prepper' PC recently that touched on that, but a more detailed take would be interesting. Just having similar concepts doesn't necessarily make it copying or unoriginal as its all in your execution and take on the idea.
      There's definitely a lot of room for exploring low-power and efficient gaming... Even just taking a quick example of Xbox Series S vs top tier dedicated graphics as a comparison; the Series S pulls about 70-75w in use but maxed out 3090Ti rig is probably 10x that!

  • @greatwavefan397
    @greatwavefan397 Рік тому +4

    Have you considered looking into MSI's ECO motherboard lineup? It has plenty of features for low-power use, like disabling parts of the motherboard, optimization for S and T Intel CPUs, etc.
    The second generation motherboard supports up to 2400MHz DDR4 and 7th-gen Intel CPUs.
    I don't see anyone else discussing the lineup much, but I feel you might find it fascinating.

  • @Apfelprofigaming
    @Apfelprofigaming 8 місяців тому +1

    Ich finde es so geil, dass das einfach einer der deutschesten Themen ist. Leute aus den USA so: Power zum günstigsten Preis
    Während wir Deutschen das beste aus allen drei wollen: Power für einen günstigen Preis und günstigem Stromverbrauch. Ich selber hab zwar ne 12 kw/h Solaranlage mit 14 kw/h Speicher, jedoch achte ich auch sehr darauf nicht zu viel zu brauchen

  • @techydude
    @techydude Рік тому +1

    Great video on an important topic, and really interesting to see all the ways that power draw can be inexplicably high, or surprisingly low! But it was the "eat your cake & have it too" reference that brought me here to comment, thank you, Son Of The Unabomber! 😂

  • @FranckEhret
    @FranckEhret Рік тому +1

    I think everybody running an home lab will find parts or the whole information of this video useful, thanks a lot! 😉

  • @ivangutowski
    @ivangutowski 5 місяців тому

    Good, exactly the ethos and type of video I was looking for. I hate wasting power and money, but like the idea of this setup. So really nice option and glad it worked out so well

  • @ap1c
    @ap1c Рік тому +2

    17:01 THIS KILLED ME☠️☠️☠️☠️🗿🤦‍♂️⚰️🗿☠️
    Too relatable

  • @glmchn
    @glmchn 7 місяців тому

    I'm discovering this channel by this video and I'm kinda blown by the quality oh what I just saw. Great covering of this subject, well done.

  • @2u263
    @2u263 5 місяців тому

    Excellent server information video on server power consumption & optimal hardware, thank you.

  • @DATApush3r
    @DATApush3r 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for this! Learned heaps about powertop and c-states!

  • @maxarendorff6521
    @maxarendorff6521 Рік тому +1

    One thing I do for saving power with my NAS is having it turn itself off when I don't need it. I don't use it in the morning and during the night so I have it turn itself off during that time. I used an old 50 Euro office pc I bought on ebay, put a few used WD Red drives in there, put Ubuntu server on it and my power consumption is still under 25 Watts at idle (IIRC). It's not a super fast machine but it's plenty fast for Samba and Jellyfin.

  • @jazzmike_
    @jazzmike_ Рік тому

    Great video. I need a low noise and low heat server due to space and sound limitations and there isn’t a lot of great information online about this. Thanks for making this

  • @jeffrydiamond
    @jeffrydiamond Рік тому

    That's impressive efficiency. Well done!

  • @TenacioussOG
    @TenacioussOG 2 місяці тому

    Extremely useful for off grid use cases, much appreciated!

  • @johannnn
    @johannnn Рік тому

    I’ve been waiting for a video like this for so long, thank you so much!

  • @yaroslavurshu2732
    @yaroslavurshu2732 Рік тому +2

    Hi, in Ukraine before the Russian attack on the energy infrastructure the price for electricity was very low, but now, we must save energy and all your manual staring very actually. So thanks!

  • @lukystreik
    @lukystreik Рік тому +2

    also ich bin sehr beeindruckt, was du alles herausgesucht hast und hier in einem kurzen Video aufbereitet. Hervorragend genau solche Informationen habe ich dringend gesucht. Außerdem ist dein Englisch hervorragend.

  • @trouble_withda_name6558
    @trouble_withda_name6558 Рік тому

    So much valuable information! Thank you very much!

  • @ksdmg9282
    @ksdmg9282 Рік тому

    Very good video, thanks for showcasing powertop! Didn't knew that tool!

  • @woolfy02
    @woolfy02 Рік тому

    Very cool project! Hope to build one like this within the next few months.

  • @adamrobinson1415
    @adamrobinson1415 Рік тому

    This is amazing, I have had to turn off my home server since the electricity boomed, I have gone back to pis, I have now acquired a d3643-h thanks to this, I have some ram and a psu for now, just on the hunt for a cpu, selling the old stuff should help pay for this, thanks for your help!

  • @timschuh6524
    @timschuh6524 Рік тому

    Component selection is important. 8 years ago I built my 3-node ESXi cluster and DIY SAN with a total consumption of 120W for all four servers *and* my network stack. It can be done! Modern hardware packs even more compute into fewer watts.

  • @RandyHanley
    @RandyHanley Рік тому

    You're such an intelligent and generous person for sharing it!

  • @uskaishiga
    @uskaishiga 9 місяців тому

    From Puerto Rico, I find this very useful! We have crazy expensive electricity that goes out on the daily in many areas, so we have to rely on UPSs, solar and batteries, or a generator. So either we will pay too much or our backup power source runs out quicker. Thanks!

  • @AmrBedair
    @AmrBedair Рік тому

    this is one of the most informative home lab videos I watched ever .. really thank you for this great video

  • @goppinaththurairajah760
    @goppinaththurairajah760 9 місяців тому

    Thanks, @WolfgangsChannel for the detailed background study. As I am looking forward to building my own Home lab NAS server, the information that you have given here is really useful, especially for the people who are living in the EU and I am definitely one of those who got benefited from your valuable information. Viele Grüße aus NRW 😊.

  • @galen__
    @galen__ Рік тому +1

    This is just awesome. I haven’t seen anyone cover this so well outside of non-english language forums 😅

  • @n0madfernan257
    @n0madfernan257 Рік тому +1

    This is informative. Currently have a small homelab using an old laptop with an i3-4000m and a mini pc with i3-4160T.

  • @AaaTeeEyeBee
    @AaaTeeEyeBee Рік тому

    For my homelab I ended up buying a screen-less laptop base which turned out to be an awesome move considering it has a built-in UPS thanks to the battery. All the components worked and I upgraded the hard drive with a beefier NVMe drive and 32gb of RAM. The built-in Ryzen 5 4500U processor's relatively power efficient and won't add too much to my monthly energy bill, which was definitely a consideration of the project.
    If I want to add more storage in the future I can either add external USB SSD drives to the laptop, a direct attach storage system through a USB-C port, or an off-the-shelf NAS box like an Asustor.

  • @basspig
    @basspig 27 днів тому

    The last mechanical hard drives I owned used 14 watts a piece. I had 10 of them in my video editing workstation in 2008 and it pulled a lot of power. I've since switched to all solid state drives which use about a quarter of a watt each so that was my biggest savings and energy my editing workstation uses 62 Watts at idle. Now I also bought a small fanless mini computer for my web server that uses between 10 and 15 watts and that's on 24/7. It also uses two solid state drives.

  • @allogic
    @allogic Рік тому

    Thanks Wolfgang, I now have a Pico ATX using the same hardware & some power saving advice from yours truly & gone from a system idling around 52kw to 17kw!

    • @allogic
      @allogic Рік тому

      Meant watts lol

  • @complot72
    @complot72 Рік тому

    Great video. It answered some lingering questions I've had for a while in the back of my head. Also, LOL. What was that sound @17:02 ? Hilarious!!

  • @fabiobcm
    @fabiobcm Рік тому

    I think is a very helpfull video. Im building my home server here in Brasil, where is hot most of the year and electricity isn't cheap. Thanks!

  • @IanCliveKerrCoelho
    @IanCliveKerrCoelho Рік тому

    Very good video. I have two Dell PE2950G3 with 6 drives spinning all the time. I bought that because was cheap and have raid controller, what I like a lot. But the power consuption are verry big, about 500 kW/h per month. So, now is time to change, and your video giveme some inspiration. Thankyou.

  • @drk_blood
    @drk_blood Рік тому +1

    17:02 I fucking died mate.. your humor is top notch, please never stop making videos 😂
    I died also when you showed that laptop psu in a server psu enclosure 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

  • @majestic2814
    @majestic2814 Рік тому

    Thank you very much for this video, this is exactly what I was looking for some time in the past!

  • @karinchaney101
    @karinchaney101 10 місяців тому

    Wow, that idle power use is killer. Thanks