The Perfect Home Server 2023 - 48TB, 4x 2.5Gbit LAN, 18W, Quiet & Compact
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
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Motherboard www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesal...
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M.2 to SATA adapter: www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
SATA cables www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:33 Platform (Motherboard & CPU)
04:08 Pros, cons and price
05:05 What about the Erying boards?
06:10 Why ECC is not a big deal
08:35 Memory
09:04 Case
09:46 Power supply
11:40 Hard drives
14:23 SSDs
15:52 Build montage
17:00 Build impressions and tips
17:20 Power efficiency
18:49 Total build cost
19:25 Comparison with Synology
20:24 Total build cost with storage
21:05 Outro
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✅ PARTS LIST:
Motherboard www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-n5105-nas-motherboard.html
NOTE: The version with a green PCB and a PCIe x2 slot comes with a different, more efficient SATA controller that supports ASPM
Example: aliexpress.com/item/1005006412213295.html
Pay attention to the SATA chip, it should say "ASMedia": share.goose.party/api/shares/g5MjM1N/files/b6108f3f-26d5-4e97-be7c-c3270654d8d2?download=false
RAM geni.us/6iSd1 (Amazon)
Case geni.us/YzL4S (Amazon)
PSU geni.us/MzBSV (Amazon)
Hard drives geni.us/BcSW (Amazon)
SSDs geni.us/kQa8pH (Amazon)
Boot SSDs geni.us/DLg36k (Amazon)
M.2 to SATA adapter: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005669800665.html
SATA cables www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001488421222.html
✅ OTHER LINKS:
"Power consumption of Ryzen 5000 Series CPUs" hattedsquirrel.net/2020/12/power-consumption-of-ryzen-5000-series-cpus/
Noctua NF-A20 geni.us/Jss7 (Amazon)
Power button geni.us/wbYoCBu (Amazon)
200mm Fan mod by pixelwave www.printables.com/model/137181-200mm-fan-front-for-fractal-node-304/files
6x SSD Mount by diofantino: www.thingiverse.com/thing:5243073
1:12 Those were the real numbers only.
Hey Wolfgang, could explain more how you fitted the new fan and grill? i got the same grill 3D printed but then realized there is a fair bit if metal to be cut and cables redundant.
@@declankiernan1970 Check out the separate video about this case mod that I've made
@@WolfgangsChannel thanks Wolfgang. I have the angle grinder ready :)
The Corsair RM550x (2021) PCU is scarce in the US. Are there any comps available in the US? I got the new N100 board, but can't find a PCU for it. Great channel Wolfgang!
This is such a thorough and well-researched video... I could tell that a lot of work went to making this video. That motherboard is now on my to-buy list. Thanks
That moment when a youtuber who inspired you on (re)building the home server and use Ansible actually uses the motherboard that you've bought for a new server several weeks ago!
Hello-hello-hello! :-) May I ask something? I have tried to find the MoBo brand Wolfgang mentions at 1:33 but l only was able to find sources like Aliexpress or the likes... Truth be told, I'm a little conflicted about those... Is there no other way to purchase those boards?
Great video! The only thing I'd like to hear more is the C-states problem and ASPM support. How to check it, how to hunt for problematic components, how to set up BIOS, etc. I've watched this one and the previous (23W server) one looking for the answers. It looks like you know more about this than you share in those videos. Maybe you think it's not interesting/boring for us - but it's is an interesting topic! I'd love to see a separate video about it. I know every system is different and it's hard to show something really universal - but something to show us where to start would be awesome!
Make +1 for this.
Not boring and yes definitively interresting !
I agree would be nice if you could make a video on this topic.
I totally agree, struggling with unraid at said topic
Try installing latest microcode for the n5105. It helped me with a similar cstates issue
@@dennis9322 I believe there is a very detailed Unraid guide on their forum about tweaking power consumption. I would also want a video about C state and ASPM, but not limited to Unraid, as a lot of people includng me use Proxmox, or bare Debian/Ubuntu linux for their home server. I was able to figure out C state by unplugging and disabling things in the BIOS, a lot of trial and error, and I came to the conclusion that my SATA controller is causing problem when CPU tries to enter more than C7s, so I set the max-c-state to C7
Awesome video! I just built my first NAS (Unraid) this week out of a free used i3-8100 m-ITX PC after watching a few of your videos. It would be super helpful if you were to make a video about the initial set up of containers, VMs, and cache configs for both beginners and experienced hobbyists.
What mini itx board did you use?
@@RealAndyOriginal Gigabyte B360N WIFI-CF m-ITX. It came with the system I got, but it serves me well enough... you don't need ECC ram anyways.
7 months later, how are you liking unraid? I’m looking into making an unraid server ( nas, plex, game servers )
i have very limited supplies for my homelab, so seeing someone who actually knows what theyre doing run it all on one machine would be super helpful :D
He's running it on one machine. What more do you want?
@@1337kaas to see things actually run on the server? this video does not at any point say that he is running everything on one machine, its just a build video
i commented because i only have one machine available to me, and would like to see someone run an entire homelab from one machine because it would be an interesting option for me
@@gabbieblue Ah like thay. At 5:53 you can see he's running unRAID with all his Docker containers. You could actually do everything with one box, look for proxmox. It's basically a management layer over KVM (+Qemu). I have it running with opnsense as a router as VM on the same board as this (n5105 cpu). You can do pci passthrough to passthrough the network interfaces individually to the proxmox VM. You could run multiple other containers with pihole and such as you like. And maybe add a VM as a docker host. The downside of doing everything on one host is that everything goes down when you have hardware issues or need to reboot for maintenance. If you have more questions, go ahead and ask
@@1337kaas i do know that its possible, i just think an in-depth video showcase would be neat
i am working on all that myself but im using snapraid and mergerfs since i dont have enough of similar sized drives for an actual raid array, and yeah the downside isnt great and i would like a separate machine for at least the router, but ill see what i can get
@@gabbieblue I definitely agree, that would be very nice. However, there are so many solutions for that problem. But an insight in how someone else solved it would be nice for sure 😃
Great video!! I went like 2 month ago with a smilar board...having 1 nvme and slightly cheaper, also with 32Gb ram :). The only thing I modded was cpu cooler, didn't like that one and went with a aluminium coolingblock which I had to modify, but runs now completely passive. from what I've seen is that WD drives generally are better at powerconsumption ...so went with those just the 5400 rpm's red plus. Over the moon with it, it handles everything I throw at it. For PSU Sharkoon Silent Storm 500 , which is also quiet power efficient at low power. Currently with 4 drives and possibilities to expand.
Can you share some details of the cooling block mod? Thinking along those lines myself
Thanks for the suggestion Wolfgang! I was not quite satisfied with the solution regarding the front, so I drew something of my own. Can also be found on printables "Fractal Node 304 better cooling front cover Mod" 🙂
Great video! I had been eyeing off the Topton NAS board and Jonsbo N2 but ended up going with an Asustor AS6704T with 10Gb NIC and TrueNAS SCALE.
Very impressive the low power consumption !
Nice video, a lot of good information, thanks man :)
UPD: A new version of this motherboard based on N100/N305 is now for sale on Aliexpress: de.aliexpress.com/item/1005006308606282.html
Unfortunately, it still uses the JMB585 SATA controller, which doesn't support PCIe ASPM.
Please make a update or follow up video with this new upgraded hardware, If possible 🙏🏻
Is this why in the inventory, there is specified the PCIe to SATA adapter: it provides a better SATA controller than the onboard controller ?
@@stanleyhopcroft868 No, that's purely to get more SATA ports. The internal SATA controller cannot be disabled in the BIOS.
However, there is a version of this motherboard that has a better SATA controller. It has a green PCB and a PCIe slot instead of an M.2 slot.
Pay attention to the chip near the SATA ports, the text on it should say "ASMedia", like here: share.goose.party/api/shares/g5MjM1N/files/b6108f3f-26d5-4e97-be7c-c3270654d8d2?download=false
@@WolfgangsChannel would you recommend getting this N100 board over the N5105 you reviwed? I'm building small storage but want to run promox for pfsense and some docker containers
@@gittin_funkywell the only thing wolfgang's saying is that you'll be having more power draw since the sata controller doesn't have aspm, i guess. so i've you're willing to pay for that you're good to go. Hard to tell whether you'll be ending up with way more power draw then the n5105 board. It all comes down to everything you add to your board.
Wow, amazing project. Thanks a lot for share it
great video. well produced, well filmed, and informative.
This is great. Can you make a video and continue this with the OS/ software/ configuration side of this build? It’d be so helpful to see an end to end, replicable process. You’re a great educator.
Ditto!
would be cool
That would be great, this is my first NAS and i am just replicating as best i can I am just so lost right now.
there are guides for that already, installing proxmox allows you to install whatever you want in virtual machines
I wanted to buy this board but someone said it's not really beginner friendly. I have nothing against a steep learning curve but i am scared this board will not be supported and i can not find a community to talk to when i have problems with it
Would be cool to see video from you, how you do your backups, advices, specifics. And how you verify these as well
Thanks a lot for the video, it got me to start my own DIY server. I'm really keen to see you dive into the tough stuff, especially the indepth bios setup side and how it works as a home server.
Hahaha thanks for including the ECC disclaimer.
Awesome work as always! Love this type of content even if I have a full rack with enterprise gear.
Is ECC not that important anymore?
I might get a MS-01 as a server then.
@WolfgangsChannel. Thank you very much for the video. I've been waiting for a video like this for a long time. I am going to try the build you're suggesting and see how it goes :). I have, however, ran into a roadblock. I can't find the PSU anywhere. Do you have any alternatives that have a similar IDLE load efficiency ? Power consumption is really important to me too
Thanks again for all your work
That motherboard is actually awesome, first I’ve heard if it. I ended up going with a 4130, embedded H81 ITX board with free RAM from work and a H1110 HBA for ~$80 total.
Getting 4x new Intel i226-V 2.5G for that price is insane, what to say about the rest on it.
Thank you so much for making this video!
I am about to build a home server soon and this is a great resource, thanks!
I have a build with the Topton/CWWK N6005 board since around January, (wrote a review on Ali, specced it with HyperX Impact kit, Jonsbo N1 and Open Media Vault.) welcome to the club! I inspired myself around your video talking about power efficiency, looked at J4105 but wanted something beefier and with the newest Intel QSV. This board is magical, much love. ❤
Yep, it's a great board! I initially wanted to make 'the forbidden router' machine out of it, but that kind of fell apart because of the infamous Jasper Lake QEMU bug. Thankfully it got fixed, so now I might revisit the project
@@WolfgangsChannel guys could you both share link to theses boards? I cant find it
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@@WolfgangsChannel Please do! =)
have you updated firmware? I've read that there's no support from the manufacturer. I've recently purchased the n6005 board and am building something similar to what's in the video, I'm just curious abouut support/firmware upgrades. thanks man!
It is so amazing to have power consumption mate. My NAS and multi-purpose Home Lab Server is NUC12 Wall Street Canyon with i5-1240P 12cores 16 threads. 64GB Ram and 1x4TB M.2 SSD + 1x 4TB SATA SSD. It runs ESXi at around 10W avg. Power consumption only. The ESXi runs DSM, 3 Windows Desktops for my Mac remote usage and 2 Ubuntu Test Labs as I am a cybersecurity researcher. And it still has room for an M.2 Key B NGFF for me to expand one more SATA 2.5" SSD. It also comes with 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports which I can use for a 4x M.2 SSD enclosure and another for 10GbE Ethernet in the future. I really love your video :)
Hi, I also want to create something like this for pentesting. Are you still satisfied with your pick or would you pick a different one in the mean time? How much did you spend in total? How many of those VMs you run at the same time?
@@ThaLiquidEdit yes, I still really love my build! I was spending around £700 for the hardware, ram and m.2 ssd back in the day, but I think it will be lot cheaper today since both nuc12, ram and ssd price is cheaper now, since it got 64GB of ram, I really don’t have big limitations on how many vm I could run at the same time.The max I run will be around 12VMs all at once with no noticeable performance wall. If you mostly run Linux vm, you could expect even more.
@@NoxSayin Wow that's amazing. I'm really considering to buy this now :D Thanks a lot! Have a great weekend.
Hello, if you did need to chose between what you have and what is here in the video explained. What is then for you the best homelab? I'm also looking to build something to run ESXI on with several windows server's 2022 and SQL servers on it as study machine. And then also transfer my homecontrol VM's from synology to the new machine.
@@woutvergauwen8699 I will still go for NUC build, the CPU is way more powerful. I also have a Syno 1621+ NAS but it is just eat up too much power (esp. I live in UK, the energy cost is sooooo high here), so I am now using my NUC as my main multi purpose server, and my "real" Syno NAS only turn on one day per month for cold backup.
Keen on the next upload of this build. That last “what’s on my server” video was a year ago. Keep up the great content thankyou
Perfect timing! I'm just about to start on my new NAS and this is exactly what I want. Please do one more video and focus only on the minuses, not to negate this project, but to fill out what someone owning this build needs to be know about that didn't work.
Catching an incompatible memory stick early on with memtest is really a great suggestion. I learned it a hard way.
Topton is due to release a version with the i3-N305 soon, so if anyone is thinking of buying it might be worth waiting a while.
Any source? (that would be one killer board, may be tempted to upgrade) 🤤
Any link to info?
How to track it down?
BUT WILL IT HAVE A GORGE CONNECTOR?!
@theglowcloud2215 I mean it's still gonna be an Aliexpress special, so probably yeah
Thanks for not lying about the ado. So many youtubers say there will be no more ado and then they do a lot of ado. I can’t figure out why!
this is a great, practical build for home nas thanks!
Node 304: Unfortunately cable management is a nightmare with it. So modular is a must. And my first one had some paint in the tray standoff holes.
Regarding enterprise drives: I'm still a bit uneasy with helium, after leakage stories of the first gens mostly.
Shucked drives may require some modification to work. So beware.
I never understand how people like the Node case so much, its just average. On the other hand, a real good mini NAS enclosure for 8-10 drives still doesn't exists.
@@l33t00rI haven’t seen anything like it.
I went with the Node 804 (much larger). It’s okay, but I would have liked the drives to be dampend a bit more. And the fan filters to be accessable without putting the computer on a table with the front hanging over the edge.
Great video!
I was waiting for a review for this boar, as the N5095 seems really good on paper, and much better than the J series ones used by the big name brands. Also this board has an ATX power connector.
The ecc part was funny, but I was surprised by the recommendation of the M.2 sata adapter, as those are usually hated in the community in favor of used HBA cards with special firmware on them.
My server uses an AM1 board in a Node 304. For the cooling a closed up the side wentsand reversed the airflow, so it's from the back to the front, with a Silverstone magnetic filer at the back.
The node 304 is a really nice ITX case for this usecase. A slightly wider variant with matx support would be nice. Something like the Silverstone CS351, but it's rather expensive unfortunately.
For the PSU I went with a 400W SFX unit, which gives me a bit of extra space.
The PCIe/M.2 SATA cards literally use the same kinds of controllers that you'd see installed on motherboards (ASMedia and JMicron). HBAs on the other hand are a bit more complex and are mostly useful for hardware RAID (which you shouldn't do in this day and age). Because of that, they are way more power hungry compared to more 'simple' SATA controllers.
That being said, avoid cards from Marvell and adapters that use SATA port multiplication. Here's a forum post with recommended controllers: forums.unraid.net/topic/102010-recommended-controllers-for-unraid/
@@WolfgangsChannel Thanks for the info! I've been using one of the recommended Asmedia cards with windows server for the past 3 years without issues. I originally went this route, as I looked at the Raid cards and was put off by the power figures.
Good info I omitted when building a home NAS. You pretty much have golden content here
I absolutely love the custom printed front panel. So clean!
What do you think would be the best replacement for Corsair rm550x (PSU)? These aren't available at all in my region
As somebody who has a trio of those big Dell Poweredge enterprise rack monsters I can definitely testify to the desire for more efficient, quiet, and most important for me, cooler running machines. I'm actually in the process of putting together parts for a new server build. Currently, and don't laugh, i'm running my home services on a second generation i7 laptop. It's running proxmox hosting a Ubuntu server VM with my docker stack as well as a lightweight file server using Cockpit in an LXC container on top of the proxmox host OS. The main reason i'm upgrading from that is to get more space for physical drives without having to rely on USB3 which doesn't offer the IO performance I need plus the laptop's limit of 16gb of ram. upgrading to a system that has 32 or in my case 64gb will give me the flexibility to do VM labs on that device without having to power up the dual xeon 288gb Dell that I normally use for that purpose. Also upgrading to 2.5gbt ethernet will also be a plus.
I wish I had known about this motherboard a few weeks ago. I may have ordered it instead of the Mini ITX X99 motherboard and 14 core xeon i'm going with, lol. Unfortunately this isn't going to be a very energy efficient build due to that. But it will be a VM powerhouse when I need it to be.
Haha, same, I haven't switched on my R420/620/820 trio in ages due to the high electricity costs...
@@magicmulderYep. I LOVE the rackmount enterprise gear. But using it over the years, in combination with contrasting hardware like my aforementioned laptop, have thought me that you don't need a lot of horsepower at all to run most homelab services. My largest bottleneck these days is RAM for ZFS. So if I could find a nice low power unit that supported 128gb id be all over it. lol. But so far 64gb is serving me well enough, but I may upgrade later.
Thanks for the inspiration! I'll try to copy that build and was actually able to grab the exact power supply and case 2nd from Kleinanzeigen. Now just waiting for the board to arrive..
Great video!
Hope you will consider making one (or several) videos abut software setup
Closest equivalent prebuilt is probably TERRAMASTER F4-423 4-Bay NAS which has N5095 CPU, 4GB DDR4 Memory upgradable, 2x 2.5GbE. And allows (unofficial) bring your own OS.
So it's slightly lower spec but cheaper smaller, and lower power too (probably). Lots of youtubers, like Hardware Haven and apalrd have done Videos on this (or similar).
But personally I'm waiting for the 12th versions (e.g. N100).
This is what I'm eyeing also, but in 2 bay version (F2-423). Perfect for me, because I can fit all my (important) data and docker containers on 2TB. So I can have relatively inexpensive 2TB NVME Raid 1 and supplement this with RAID 1 with 2.5" HDDs in that 2 bays for all other uninportant stuff. I'm currently on ASROCK j3455 and it's plenty of computing power (for my needs). For me RAM is more important - 16GB is ok for now, but just barely, so terramaster + 32GB would be perfect.
@@marcinneuman8283 you can also choose the asustor AS6702T (or AS6704T) with a N5105 CPU. I'm currently running ADM (asustor NAS solution)on it, but it's is a complete mess. This soft is a shame. So I will now install unraid.
I wish there is a same board but with N100. Which has better performance, both CPU and iGPU transcoding than the N5095/5105. Fast alder lake CPU, 6 SATA ports, power efficient, this would be a dream build.
Like the Asrock N100DC-ITX?
@@pinguin3084 N100DC-ITX have only 1x 1gbps NIC, single channel RAM and 2xSata. Indeed if they put the N100 to similar board, it will be no brainier.
@@vojtas_cz Go for the mATX board, throw in a SATA Controller (or even HBA) and a 10G Fibre Card. Done. It's not ideal, yes, but you'll have the N100 solution.
@@diotough for that you need to have 2x PCIE or m2 slot.
@@vojtas_cz The N100m does offer all of that: 1x PCIe 3.0 16x/2x and 1x PCIe 3.0 1x/1x. With an HBA I'd put that in the 16x slot. That'd give you still ~6-7Gbps Ethernet. With a SATA Controller I'd swap that and put a Connex-4 in the 16x slot. PCIe 3.0 2x is fast enough with a raw bandwidth of 1.969 GBps, so ~15.5Gbps after PCIe 128b/130b line code. A 4x SATA Controller is cheap and efficient as well. So the question is: Do we need more than 4 (or max 5) drives? If not than M.2 as cache drive and the last SATA port for a small 250GB SSD as system drive. Throw in a PicoPSU with custom SATA power cables and it's peak efficiency.
i've come back and re-watched this video so many times.....
every time I re-wach it, I understand something new lololol
you did such a great job editing and explaining things.
I would get this board and pair it with a jonsbo case.
put truenas scale in it, and try to virtualize pfsense ,
do you think it's possible?
So glad I came across your videos. Currently working on moving my personal use nas to a node 304 case. Just need to find a power efficient board with a pcie slot as I have sas drives.
In regards of Memory: Please be aware that higher Memory can lead into instability!
I had really to struggle with two N5105 Boards which crashed a lot of times until I went down from 64 GB RAM to 16 GB RAM. And the DIMM Modules weren't the issues! I swapped them completely
You could also try to slightly increase the memory voltage, or decrease the clock speed, if the memory is not stable. The advertised XMP speeds are often not achievable or not stable on some CPUs or motherboards, especially at higher capacities. Recent Intel CPUs are usually better in this regard than AMD ones.
@@szaszm_ it was running at 2866 MHz, so no xmp etc
@@Blond501 You could try XMP voltage with JEDEC clocks for maximum stability. It's typically 1.1V by default (JEDEC), and 1.35V in XMP mode, but some DIMMs are different. I'm pretty sure 1.35V is not enough to damage any DDR4 chips.
One note i would like to make for people new to the game of home built NAS.
Avoid using NAND based SSDs for caching, especially write caching.
While NAND SSDs are fine for most use cases of read caching, write caching will often see even high end SSDs die within a year(ask me how i lost 4 in one year)
If you're just storing a few files here and there thats fine.
But if like me, you record TV worth of video, then transcode that video, and TB worth of security camera footage, well, all of that writing, and re-writing is murder on SSDs.
I reccomend at least avoiding a write cache, and if you do want a write cache, those 120GB Optane drives have really come down in price.
Yes they're small and still expensive at around 4x the price of a 256GB NAND SSD, but i've had a pair working as write cache for close to 4 years now without any signs of wear, impressive seeing as they're close to 1/8th the capacity of my old 950 Pros that died at around 18 months.
If you're getting Optane, another option would be to use a pair of those 120GB drives for 'special metadata' or basically the file directory information.
This can speed up a RAID array of HDDs even more than a read cache in some use cases, but only when the file you're looking for is not on the read cache disks, really in a best case scenario you'd have 2x120GB optane for special metadata, 2x120 for a write cache, and maybe 2x2TB TLC NAND for read cache, but remember, if you're pulling many diverse files off of the server, this can kill a read cache just as quickly as a write cache..
One thing i've done with my server is take 3x16TB HDDs, and 2x2TB 870 EVO(SATA) and used the SATA as a read cache, then used this share for my games install folder, so far it has gone over 2 years without issue, and it feels as fast as a SATA SSD, sometimes faster thanks to the RAM caching, just with the added latency of running through a 10+gbit switch
When you say to use '2x120GB for special metadata', do you mean RAID1 for these disks?
@@fredform basically, i dont think truenas calls it raid1 but yes
@@fredform if you want to be extra safe, you can run 3 of them in raid1/mirror
Thats why you dont use read intensive SSD's for write intensive tasks... Nearly all vendors specify what kind of use case the SSD model has in their datasheets. Write/Read/Mix. Intel Optane SSD's are designed to last under high write operation in datacenters or workstations. If you have constant video streams on to drives, its better for your wallet and drives if you only use HDD. Take more smaller ones then fewer big ones if you need the performance. More disk more performance balanced over all drives.
Build montage sound reminds me of Yosi Horikawa's "Letter". Awesome sound choice!
This is awesome thank you!
You could also take a look at the Asustor Flashstor 6 - similar Hardware (CPU), but SSD centric with 6 / 12 drive bays and very small.
It looks very cool. However it seems to have some issues, like limited read speed to 1000mbs, and for the price you can buy 3 of these boards and some extras. Still very cool, I'd probably buy it if it was a bit cheaper.
Hey man love this video and the contrapoints references are huge green flags ❤ keep it coming!
case looks fab with the custom front panel and fan
love your videos ! been watching for a couple of years now i think
"I think the importance of ECC memory for a home use server is greatly exaggerated".. I wish I had heard more statements like this before building my current home server. It is primarily used for backups, a few containerized apps and Jellyfin. Nothing on it doesn't exist in at least one other location and it does nothing mission critical. Had I left ECC memory off the list of "must haves" my budget would have allowed for greater storage capacity and faster networking.. things of greater use to me.
It's good to see people separating home servers and home labs from corporate and mission critical systems. Up until just a few years ago the only people talking about home use NAS or server systems were pearl clutchers working in IT for 35 years who would immediately bounce you out of a forum if you were found to be using (gasp!!) NON - ECC memory and had the sheer audacity to ask THEM a question.
Its more important for ZFS because of ARC in memory. But yeah for home use NAS with backup ... if price is same as non-ecc go for it, but usually unbuffered ram are even more expensive than buffered so if you are on budget i dont think its worth it.
Im going a different route for a home server and using a lenovo ts440 case, it has 8x 3.5 hot swap bays. My old x79-up4 with a 4960x cpu and 48gb of ram will be used, can add 16gb more of ram for it. Main goal is to set it up to run more than one cnc using linuxcnc using a hypervisor, and have a small san network ran off it. I got a LSI MegaRAID 9361-8i card to run a raid 10 and 8 tested used HUS724030ALS641 3tb drives that are listed as compatible, this should give decent speed on a 10gb iscsi. Still need to decide on a few things before I assemble it, like a video card with low latency and 4 dvi or display port out.
The whole ECC is not cheap is really wrong...
I originally ordered a 6 Bay NAS from China, with the same board Toptop just different CPU (Intel J6412). After installing dual NVME and 3 HDDs, did some testing with unraid (after powercfg optimizing).
The **idle power draw was 23Watt**, with 12GB memory, 3HDD in sleep and no fans (because they ran at max speed). Unhappy with the board, as the bios was slow as hell, it had no temperature fan speed header (except the CPU) = why it ran the fans at full speed, using a 4 way splitter and other issues.
So i replaced the ITX board with a Gigabyte B550 + second hand 4650g PRO (that PRO is the important part) + A GOOD Flex-ATX PSU...
* This gained me 2 NVME slots that ran at 4X, instead of 1X as on that board.
* A full PCIE 3.0 X16 slot, instead of again a PCIE 3 X1 slot on the board. This opens the door for bifurcation with 8X/4X/4X NVME (aka 3 extra NVME slots)
* Full DDR4 and not SODIMM allowing for DDR4 ECC to be installed. And installed 64GB ECC that i had from my older Main PC.
You think, well, that will draw a lot of power? Well, the server with this upgraded hardware AND 4 Fans spinning using the same software/setting/HDDs/NVMEs etc was running at **19W idle**. And i can probably gain a few more watts with removing the useless Wifi and other tweaks.
So not only did i gain ECC, added way more memory, gone from an aminic Atom level J6412 to a 6 Core 4650g Pro (easily 4X performance), added the fans back and it was still running 4 watts less in idle!!!!
No! You do not need to buy a secondhand server for ECC support, that draws like 70W in idle.
Your results:
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The fact that you're using the same number of drives, dual SSD and still running at 18W tells me the issue is the Board. That board is really, REALLY bad at idle draw it seems.
And to be honest, it really was not a lot more expensive. The MB was 150, Second hand Pro CPU was 80 and the FLexATX was 150 Euro. So, 380 Euro, vs 283 Euro that you paid. The extra functionality and expandability in my opinion is worth the 100 Euro difference.
Potential Questions:
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* But that board has 6 SATA, and your board has only 4 SATA. Not a big deal ... Remember those 4X PCIE slots, well, if i want to expand to 6 Slot, i can simply install a 6 SATA / NVME converter into one slot.
* But if you install a 6 SATA/NVME converter, that means you only have 1 NVME slot... Remember that full PCIE3 X16 slot?? That is easily another 3 NVMEs.
So, you can expand to 10 SATA + 4 PCIE3.0 4X NVME, vs the 6 SATA / 2 PCIE3 1X NVME.
Parts used:
1 * SilverStone Technology FX600 Platinum (you can find them for 150 Euro). Ultra quiet unlike most FLexATX and extreme efficient at low power draw.
1 * AMD 4650g Pro. Check ebay, you can get deals as low as 80 Euro for them. And if you want to upgrade, you can find a 5650 Pro or 5750 Pro somewhere in the future. Unlike the Tomtop board where your stuck to replace the entire board. A 4650g/4750g/5650g/5750g are laptop CPU in a desktop socket, but for ECC you need to find the business PRO models!!! And i can confirm you get multibyte ECC support.
1 * Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX
2 * 32GB DDR4 ECC ... forgot the brand, low profile memory i bought long time ago.
1 * Case (Search on AliExpress for "Skyarrow 6-bay NAS aluminum chassis" ). I bought one with the motherboard/fan/PSU but ripped those out see above.. The case is ULTRA QUALITY! Thing is a brick. When i bough it, it was 350 Euro with chipping with all the part that i removed and sold. Remove the ###### ... UA-cam loves deleting posts with links.
I hope this is useful for other people. I advise against buying that topton board and just buy locally available parts! You will get better performance, specs and same or better idle. And yes, Germany also so power efficiency was a big draw. A J6412 board has no right to pull in 18W or higher in idle!!!!
I'm glad you posted this! UA-cam put the comment in "held for review" for some reason, so I had to manually approve it.
I can't confirm the 'slow BIOS' issue, but could definitely see how those boards might've had issues shortly after release. To be fair, most of them are Intel issues, not necessarily manufcaturer's fault.
Your build looks amazing, but again, just like with the Erying board, there's the issue of the extra SATA and 2.5Gbit ports, which you did mention.
The problem is, once you add an extra SATA controller and a quad 2.5Gbit card, 230€ become ~347€. That's more than double of the N5105 board.
But it looks like you're happy with your build and that's what matters - 4650G is a beast and should last you a long time
@@WolfgangsChannel The one i had, the bios screen was being build up line by line like it was on an old dial tone modem... Never seen that before. lol ...
> extra SATA controller and a quad 2.5Gbit card
I feel that quad 2.5Gbit is such a specific use case that can just as well be solved with a basic 2.5Gbit router. The amount of people that are going to saturate two or more ports at the same time is rare (unless they join them for cheap 10Gbit parellel transfers but again, not typical for most NAS owners).
The extra controller is like 20 Euro and you gain 4 extra ports for whatever SSD you want to cram in your case. *lol* For now it's more of a "you have the ability to expand if needed". With 4 ports and Unraid, you can easily get 60GB+Parity going. The price difference between a 20TB vs 14/16TB is barely 0.2 Euro per TB (geizhals) these days.
> That's more than double of the N5105 board.
But your also overlooking the whole ECC, 4650g, Full NVME speeds, 16x PCIE slot for expandability (and less buggy bios) for the same power draw. ;)
We are also not talking about memory limit of 32GB, Wifi etc. So why you lose 3 2.5Gb ports, you can also go Wifi without losing a nvme slot.
As somebody that has experience file corruption from a long running server without ECC, i learned that lesson very hard. While it may be a bit more expensive, the number of hours you lose rebuilding a server from scratch does not even comes close to the price difference.
> 4650G is a beast
Yea, it turned from a NAS to an actual NAS/code compile server.
> But it looks like you're happy with your build
Yea
Amazing build!. have you tried video encoding?
Naw that is a great build!
but it's said by @Wolfgangs that amd doesn't support ecc officially
What an unexpected crossover with the Contrapoints refs.
So much work went in to building this server, then I'm sure it was at least 5x more work into making this video :) It was super informational and a pleasure to watch, thanks for sharing the build! I've subbed to your channel, great content!
Genau das habe ich gebraucht, danke Wolfgang! :)
It's a shame you went with the Celeron 5105 just as the new intel N95. N100, N200 and N300 released. The N100 has up to a 50% performance uplift over the 5105 depending on the workload while using the same amount of power, DDR5, has AV1 decode support and AVX support (5105 doesn't) while having around the same MSRP. The only advantage the 5105 has is dual channel memory while the N100 is locked to single channel DDR5 only to a current max of a single 32gb DDR5 SODIMM (potentially now a single 48gbs but this configuration needs to be tested). With some tuning some users were able to squeak out another 5% - 15% in performance. Despite being released in Q1 2023, we're only now seeing some OEMs release embedded motherboards, but mini pcs and fanless x86 router PCs are already on market. It's the huge upgrade in lower power x86 computing other than being limited to single channel only which I suspect will be lifted with newer iterations of this design.
That's actually amazing! As @FaceAndSurface mentioned in another comment, Topton is allegedly going to release an N300 version soon, so I'll definitely review that when it comes out
But when and where to find motherboard only with N200/300? Also price - N300 is like 130$ alone.
@@WolfgangsChannelThey released N100 and N305 motherboards already, but a bit more pricey
Well, someone at work bought a couple of these 4-bay Synology NAS thingies without consulting at first, so of course I was pissed off when I wanted to build Proxmox Backup Servers for the main server rigs and found out we had all these hardware sitting unused because of the OS they shipped with. How it went down: I soldered an HDMI connector to the pads on the board, that way you get video out and can actually install an OS. The UEFI program on the thing is crippled, not all settings in the menu map to the correct place in the NVRAM, so first I recommend firing up DSM and making the settings in there, like auto power on etc. As far as I remember from doing this mod, the UEFI has Secure Boot forced and only boots Synology images. I had to set it to “Legacy” first, and that allowed booting up things in BIOS mode. Unfortunately, it can only boot things connected to the internal USB port where the Synology DOM is attached. The Symology DOM is just a 120MB USB 2.0 pen drive with a different connector. So you can boot things using that port, install to drives connected to the NVMe ports, but can only boot again from USB. I got around that by installing Proxmox Backup Server this way, and then backing up their DOM and flashing it with a custom buildroot image I made which boots up a minimal Linux with LVM support that then mounts the NVMe drive where Proxmox is installed and kexecs it (thank God this facility exists). At first, I tried chainloading using a couple of traditional bootloaders, like grub, but none of them worked, none could ‘see’ the NVMe drives at that stage. It was strange, because booting full Linux, as I said, that ‘sees’ the drives and can work with them just fine, so yeah, in the end I boot Linux and from there boot again another Linux basically. Linux (unlike Windows) doesn’t complain if the boot disk is formatted GPT and you boot in BIOS mode, it just works, so the Proxmox main NVMe drives are of course GPT formatted. In the end, the USB DOM acts as a bootloader. To have the hard drives spin up, I soldered resistances across the power supplies ICs on the daughter board, and similarly for the USB ports. These ICs probably allow for fine grained control of the ports from DSM, but for my use case I want them always on. The control is connected to GPIO as far as I remember, so theoretically one could write scripts to power on/off stuff in there, but I did not bother. In the end, you have to desolder the HDMI port in order to fit the thing back in the case. It was a fun project, definitely a hacking vibe. I run 2 of these in production, zero issues, one as a backup located closely to the main server, one off site. I can even do Proxmox updates, as my boot script in buildroot sorts Linux kernel images and always boots the newest one, basically allowing for updates. The hardware is aesthetically pleasant and takes few space and makes low noise, so I think going through the effort was well worth the outcome, if not only for the challenge of figuring out a way around it. But yeah, pretty locked down, as you mentioned in the video.
Before I added HDD's I was getting about 16W idle from my server based around a 5600G, these chips are great.
Hi Wolfgang, just found your channel and immediately subscribed. High quality content in a dense format. Like it.
Concerning your built: Which drives have you connected to the m.2 SATA adapter? As the m2 slot has barely 1MB/s bandwidth, it wouldn’t make much sense to connect multiple SSDs. Thus I'm debating whether it makes more sense to just put a 4 GB NVME in each M.2 slot, ditch the m.2 SATA adapter and add an additional HD instead.
No ECC for my storage is a deal breaker. My literal autism just can't cope with that scenario.
Lmao it’s the opposite for me because my wallet can’t cope with the price of ECC memory
@@Silentguy_ I picked up a 4 UDIMM 32gb ECC 2400MHz DDR4 kit for $64 in May 2022. Deals are out there if you're patient and look.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing
That front panel is badass
How many people running a small personal use server for themselves fall into massive regret over not having ECC memory? Hard agree I really dont think its that common an issue. Been running plex for 15 years with basic #gamer™ RAM recycled from other builds and have never had an issue. If youre running your business and livelihood off the box, sure, but a DIY NAS like this is probably more likely to be a fun hobbyist project for pihole, automating the kitchen lights and streaming some linux isos.
that joke about streaming and seeding linux isos always gets me
Been running the "old build" as a Nas/server for about 20 years now. Never had ECC, never seemed to cause an issue. I've migrated data across about 4 or so different pools of drives now.
Ever since Linus’s channel died, I’ve been getting recommended quality content like yours. Glad to see it and keep up the great work!
about ecc, i have to agree that you are correct. on the other hand my personal workstation is ecc as are all of the servers in my homelab
Very good informative video! Thank you!
Hey! Awesome content! I love this kind of videos!!
One observation: I read online that only sata 1-5 are handled by the culprit (jmb sata controller) I think it would be interesting to see the power consumption if you used the 5x sata expansion over m.2 and only the sata0 port, maybe this way you could enable asmp and use the lower c states. You'd loose one m2 but still have 6 sata total
That was my first idea, but unfortunately, short of unsoldering the controller from the board, there's not much we can do. It can't be disabled in the BIOS
fun to see, i had computer in the same case with Ryzen 5 1600, 16GB ram, WD Gold 6TB and Samsung 980 PRO, Seasonic Core GM-500,
unfortunately the MB was some Asus with just one M2, one gigabit and one pcie16, which also led to selling it,
however the faster processor speed was very useful, power consumption idle was higher, great to see this segment evolving,
wishing many people will try Proxmox! was running Ubuntu server 2 thread (samba), Ubuntu server 8 thread (gcc) and 2 thread pfsense "on a stick" with vlans into 24port switch,
was fun, but i switched to usbc T7 ssds and Jottacloud, due to larger media nature of my work
curious how the file backup management evolves, might do another server in some years
What a coincidence! I built a *very* similar machine a while ago but with a second revision of the other board you mentioned that has the separate PCIe slot. I'm running a 5-port SATA card off of that, combined with the six ports on the mainboard itself (across two SATA controllers) and an NVMe slot for a cache drive I stuffed all of that, a 120mm rear exit fan, a 2TB 3.5" parity drive and ten 2.5" 1TB unused old stock hard drives I had laying around all into a gutted-out HP MicroServer Gen8 case, utilizing the original four caddy bays with three dual 2.5"-to-3.5" caddy adapters and the 3.5" in the fourth slot.
Three of the remaining four 2.5" drives hang off 3D-printed brackets on each of the sides (one on the left, two on the right) and one of them sits in a fake slimline CD drive-to-2.5" drive caddy in place of the original optical drive.
I don't have any issues with power regulation while running Unraid, though that's only because I set all of the CPU power limit levels back to the Intel recommended settings.
CPU power wise, the N5105 is perfectly adequate for running my Unifi controller, a one-way incremental backup, some read-only SMB shares for accessibility to part of the folders and a remote WOL tool. It's not on 24/7; Only when I plan on accessing the data, doing a backup (once weekly) or modifying anything about the Unifi settings do I boot it up so it's more than economical enough to me.
File transfers are more than fine across a single 2.5GbE link to my local network; I frequently get near or just over 2Gbps while transferring large files which of course dumps into the 256GB NVMe cache drive before Unraid moves it into the slower permanent storage.
I replaced the FlexATX proprietary server PSU in the machine with a 250W Seasonic FlexATX unit that dropped right in, runs semi-fanless and it's right in its sweet spot for efficiency while a backup runs.
TL;DR I built a machine quite like this, very low-power, sparsely powered on but I'm in love with how compact it is and it serves (hah) all of the purposes I had for it. 🙂
Great video, I enjoyed seeing how differently a similar machine can be used!
Can you tell me your SATA controller card model? Because I've tried 5 different ones so far and all sucked (failed, errors, etc.)
I built this using the Jonsbo N1 case. The case fan pinout is only 3 pins and the case fan runs at 100% all the time. The BIOS has settings for PWM, but it's confusing since there are only 3 pins on the motherboard. I tried to change the settings, but to no avail: The fan keeps running at 100% and quite loud. Are you able to control the RPM of the case fan?
The videos just keep getting better. Congrats
Thank you! This means a lot.
Bought 6 8TB WD red pro drives 3 weeks ago, still in the resilvering process to replace the old smr drives 😢 if only I knew back then to buy CMR drives.
BUT I didn't loose a single file while the drives are on their way to heaven. Hooray for ZFS!
Looking to get this case myself and was wondering if their is a premade source for that printed front as I don't own a 3d printer. Great video by the way. Thank you.
I loved your video and definitely want to build something like this in the near future, I really need some space to keep my stuff apart from commercial solutions, they're pretty limited and don't really keep up with the amount of footage I take for my Instagram portfolio.
I got this Seasonic PRIME Fanless PX 450 for my media server as it also has low end efficiency, as it will be ideling most of the time, as the case fan pushes air through.
Seagate Exos and the other are loud as the case is in my living room. I got the new Toshiba MG10 20TB drives, as they are much quieter, close to the WD Red Plus.
Also I got a SK Hynix P31 for system drive, as it is one of the most energy efficient as well and it will be on 24/7.
I'll try at get hold of some of those cables.
Awesome video! Subscribed to look out for your video on setting up a proxmox nas router and docker server. 😅
@munnalyreth5029 how can you run proxmox and docker server at same ? this is what i'd like to do.
i wanted to build my home server (mostly nas, but with some services like plex and arrs) for a few years. This year i got steam deck.. And repurpose my gaming pc (ryzen 2700x, 1660s, 16gb) to a home server. Planning to rebuild it to be less power hungry, but i'm very happy with result. My serve working for 3 months already :)
That motherboard is a steal. At ~100-150 euros, it's crazy that it has 4x new Intel I226-V 2.5G eth ports, besides having all the other stuff on it. Also, on a side note: love that it's all blacked out. I don't need any of this but at that price and power draw, makes you curious(could replace some things, even just a router).
Great video as always! Really liked the build montage, what's the soundtrack? Last year I gave up on a RM550x for 54 eur, it was a steal, I was stupid for not buying it, now I am stuck with a picoPSU and fire-hazardous splitters.
You haven't mentioned, but I assume you decomissioned the rackmountable old server/NAS?
Insane how some prices have come down while others are skyrocketing. I'll probably get this board for my custom router, with 4 2.5GB ports it literally has everything I'D want and costs less then half of the comparable FritzBox.
6:25 I've had a lot of issues with DDR4 when transferring over large files. I used to not believe in ECC until the day where my Windows partition BSOD'd a lot, and a lot of my games and files turned out to be corrupted.
As it turns out, the data error rate for DDR4 is significantly higher than DDR3. Moreso than IBM's estimated 1 bit flip per GB written per year. Google reported 10 bit flips instead.
This also explained why I was able to get away without ECC on DDR3. Another fun fact is that DDR5 sticks actually have their own "ECC" that's invisible to the system. But it is only to get their error rates down to DDR4 levels which is still bad.
Those sound like bad sticks to me. Whether your memory is ECC or not, you should always run Memtest on your RAM regularly, if you care about your data. ECC might help you catch those errors earlier though, and that’s an advantage
I’d reckon that most people wouldn’t want to use ECC memory on a desktop even if Intel didn’t gatekeep it. ECC memory doesn’t take well to overclocking, e.g. running faster than JEDEC speeds. AMD recommends 3200-3600 MT/s memory for optimal performance, and Intel CPUs also profit from faster memory.
DDR5 does have some form of onboard memory checking but AFAIK, it’s not quite the same as ECC
bit rot is *very much a thing* Wolfgang didn't say it wasn't, he just said that for a home server it's not strictly necessary. Ymmv.
I've been running a Node 304 NAS with 6 HDDs for a few years now using the AsRock E3C226D2I and only now I think it may be worth it to enable HDD sleep.
I need that giant front fan! The stock air intake is terrible, I'll buy one from you 😆
You're good at explaining things. I understood a lot and I really appreciate how you explain why you made each of your choices when comparing to other alternatives.
The entire price breakdown was also really appreciated.
You're wonderful
Thank you very much for this
I see that topton and cwwk have a new router box with a similar mobo but this one can take a riser with an expansion card with 4 additional 2.5 Gb ports or 2 SFP+ ports; only one M.2
I would take a look at the CS351 Case from Silverstone. I bought it for 160€ used in Germany. 5 Hot Swap Bays + 2x 3,5 inch HDD Bays + 6 SATA SSD Bays, Full Size Power Supply, microATX Support and room for many fans.
It looks super cool. I just whish Silverstone wasn't so protective of it. They have 2 cases in the sugo line based on the same frame, but they made sure you can't fit 7 HDDs into them.
Do you have a video on which containers you run in you home lab, and what they do (or what you use them for)? If not, can you please make one?
You build exactly what i was planning to build, great video, could you please share where do you got this Node case mod, how it was done?
Great video. Very good production and detail. Thank you
those PicoPSU are kinda neat and sure their DC to DC conversion is very efficient but you rely on the laptop powerbrick to efficiently convert AC to 12V DC
I’ve been having that board on my aliexpress wishlist basically since it came out but I can’t convince myself to switch from my janky ARM based NanoPi R5S NAS with the same sata chip but through m.2 bc I wanted to make the most power efficient 2.5GBe NAS. Open media vault >>>
Excellent info and production. You have a new subscriber.
Thanks for this video, I've been eyeing this n5105 board since last year but reluctant as there's no ecc support and wondering if it can transcode media decently.. thanks to your video I'm convinced now
A lot of Seagate External HDD of high capacity actually have Exos drives in them as well.
I've just got into home server / data mirroring/ personal cloud so more stuff for complete newbies would be good.
what do you use for reliable storage of your files? just specific file system or some raid5 approach? or do you use a separate NAS?
Waiting for my orange pi 5 plus to use as a home server. 32 GBs of ram, 4tb m2 ssd of storage, wifi 6, 8 cores and only 3.3-7.3 watts consumption 😊
Super tiny and passively cooled 🎉
I just subscribed, finally found a content creator for home server builds that understand and put emphasis on the importance of ECC RAM, thank you!
Please what alternatives you suggest that support it?
I like Skylake and Kaby Lake miniITX boards such as Asrock C236 WSI, Asrock C246 WSI and Gigabyte C246N-WU2. Unfortunately they're pretty rare
Amazing video! Thank you.
While I have a bazillion possible comments and options about the build and all the options, I’m curious about 1 the most.
How reliable is the motherboard hardware and oem bios software support on these Ali espress board? Maybe a video on that?
Thanks for putting this video together! I'm thinking of building a similar system using the newer-gen CPU/motherboard, and I'm not sure if I should pick the N100 or N305 CPU. Also, would the single-slot memory really matter for similar home server use cases?
Great video, clear and straight to the topic.
The part you mentioned those bigg dual xeon standalones actually made me thinking. I have old Z800 station that i was thinking to turn into NAS and, except obvious bhigher power consumption I try to find any pros of that setup. Do you know any points that, again except power consumption, that old workstations are better at?
Dirt cheap ECC RAM, since RDIMM sticks are only supported on HEDT/server platfroms.
Also more RAM in general, since registered ECC sticks usually come in larger capacities.
Lots of cores for use cases where the number of cores is more important than single-core performance
Usually more PCIe lanes, but I think your model is a bit too old for that
I would soooo love asmr pc build videos with ultra chill music in the background, no speech :)