@pluto8816 The entire game for me has been: >Go on off angle >Get frozen by luna >unfreeze and shoot for literally 0.2 seconds >Mantis sleep >Wake up after 5 years and immediately be pulled in by winter soldier and have 90% of my hp deleted in a nano second >Get frozen by luna >be bailed out by supports but get stunned for 20 years by strange ult >Survive strange ult cause of OP supports >Get mantis slept >Pulled back in by winter soldier >try to run away but get frozen again >die I then alt-f4d and uninstalled the game
exactly. i think of playing overwatch and the nostalgic feeling of enjoyment but then the reality of how the game is currently floods in n then i recoil in disgust and have 0 intention of touching it
After playing marvels for a week I love overwatch even more . Idk why but my Xbox series x can’t even run the game . Also if u on ps5 or xbox series s u at a disadvantage and do less damage which is horrible
Years of poor balance decisions, broken promises, only good content over the last year has been kingmaker and 6v6, Barbiewatch dress up simulator, hero releases no longer being hype, lore is buried. I could go on. Acti-Blizz killed the bright-eyed optimism the community used to have for this game. We saw it for its potential and they never reached a fraction of what we imagined.
The hitbox changes were the first sign of the end times for me. The SECOND you take the effort required to get elims away the game was cooked. Not to mention the endless buffs to anti-fun characters. Also adding mmr and leave penalties to quickplay. The devs don’t want people to have fun, they want people to be angry.
I lost sleep on that night and woke up hoping it was a fever dream as all the hard work I invested into Mei and perfecting her head shots was pointless
I actually uninstalled today. The ranked system is pure rigged BS, and the devs change things at random without even knowing what they're changing. They are completely clueless. I've been saying it since 2018, I still say it today.
You know something is fucky with the ranked system when the Dev in charge of making it said openly in an interview that he refuses to play comp because "he doesn't need an algorithm to tell him he's good"
I’m just entertained by the whole situation with rivals and Overwatch. Now that there’s actual competition for blizzard, I’m interested to see if they’ll actually TRY to improve ow this instead of just giving the community collabs and scraps constantly. Also interested to see what netease will do with rivals since they have a BUNCH of content to work with in terms of the marvel ip.
easier to make new characters with rivals than overwatch due to marvel being a colossus of an IP, so you already solved the content issue with rivals so theres that.
After 8 years of playing I experienced my final straw with toxic ass teammates. It wasn’t even just about them though, if anything I should thank them because they helped me realize I haven’t actually had fun playing this game in years.
@@AV-xm5ln OW2 has the most toxic playerbase I've ever encountered, you try to defend yourself or your teammate and boom comm banned. It's just not worth playing in my opinion, I'm having so much more fun on Marvel Rivals.
Its simple... they got rid of lootboxes so we cant earn skins for free. Meaning we have no reason to play their game other than to rank up. Well the ranked system is fucked by making it 5v5. It would be like CoD locking all weapon skins behind a pay wall then being confused that a large part of the playerbase quit. Wow, surprise! We want the ability to earn cosmetics through game play. Who could have guessed
TF2 I quit because of burnout after 5k+ hours & I enjoyed 90% of that time spent. CSGO same story. 1,184 hours on my main, Season 5 is when it started, when I couldn't wait to get off the game to play something else after doing challenges or limiting myself to a 2-4 hour cap of comp. It's sickening how quick I started to hate this game.
The thing with casual players is that they tend to slowly become competitive players when they see what a good player can do. The reason this isn't happening often is because easy characters to play keep becoming meta. Why would I try to be the best player if the best player's gameplay is almost the same as mine? I have the opinion of: Easy characters to play SHOULD be bad because even if they are bad, they will be good in low elo. Characters like Mauga, Orisa, and Moira can be bad characters and still dominate low elo. A low rank lobby shouldn't look like a high rank lobby and I think that is a big part of the problem.
i dont know whats wrong with OW. i didnt really have a good time with ranked in OW so i just played in scrim games instead, but even then some of the mechanics in the game just make me feel like im doing so much and getting so little done, especially relative to some other heroes where they push one button and im dead i played rivals for like 30 hours on a single hero, hit grandmaster, and had a blast, especially from hero bans, idk whats else to say. i really love wrecking ball, but the current state of OW just makes me not want to play wrecking ball anymore.. especially when i see what rivals is doing
Overwatch is going to die the same way the Dead or Alive series died (the "fighting" game part of the franchise that is). Never commiting to the casual nor the competitive side, and in the end both sides ended up not caring anymore. Probably Blizzard is going to end up making an Overwatch dating sim once the fps game dies just to keep selling skins.
The game has never been balanced or competitive. 5v5 is trash. Every hero they added has made the came significantly worse. No balance change is going to make people play a boring ass game
- Blizzard stopped expanding the game in it's best moment, then they lied to our faces saying PvE was coming when it wasn't but took the money anyway. - They changed the game to a format no one asked for and took the original game from our accounts and replaced it with the "sequel" (a glorified cash shop update). - Then they fired the cinematics and narrative team so the IP, which was a big draw for a lot of people, stopped being worked on. - Then they further devalued the existing IP by cashing in on stupid colabs from other brands like k-pop band and car manufacturers. - Then they cranked up the skins churning for the anime girls in the game (jeez I wonder why...) and took them to the forefront instead of working on more gameplay experiences that could reach a wider segment of the audience. - While all this was happening their balance endeavors where less than succesful and the new heroes were... let's say controversial (I think Juno's the only exception). - Also, the monetization and progression scheme they chenged to was so stupidly expensive and unrewarding that a lot of people begged for loot boxes to come back. - The game is a toxic cesspool despite their efforts to sanitize it in part by removing the social features like LFG, having the worst of both worlds: no built in community features AND generalized toxic behavior. Blizzard lost the lead and the plot on game making. They went from a beloved, generous, trailblazing game studio to a greedy, moneygrubbing, bloated corpo developer that trend-chaces with more than questionable results. They're getting what was coming to them. They made their bed, now they have to lay in it. I feel for the passionate devs that still flock to the studio with sincere intentions, taking a lower pay than in other studios and still get treated like shit. Money people and corpo drones shouldn't be at the helm of pretty much anything, even lees at the helm of a creative endeavor such as videogames.
u can place the blame squarely on Fortnite. Nearly Everygame even call of duty has been trying to match Fortnites success which preys on popular culture through collaborations
@@lukeGGleeFortnite is just merely a symptom. The core of the growing cancer of the gaming industry is just capitalism, plain and simple. Dehumanized business-heads that don't know any fun in their lives aside from harassing their slaves and counting money try to rule the art and entertainment industry - what is gonna happen?
Watching you devolve into madness as you talk about overwatch was honestly kind of sad :(. I'm glad you've overcome your addiction to overwatch and are having a great time playing other game. Hell, you've even gotten a wife in the process lol.
When its all said and done, this game is just a horrible way to spend my already limited time. Thats all. I have had an extremely fun time learning and growing on Marvel Rivals.
The idea that Blizzard didn't pick their poison regarding competitive vs casual is completely false, though. Just about every change in the last 2 or so years has been catered toward the casual.
overwatch lost me at season 3 initially, came back for season 5, quit again until late season 7 and now has fully lost me since rivals came out. i can’t even stomach opening the game since season 12 knowing how terrible all the changes have been over the last 2 years
nail in the coffin was marvel rivals, people wanted something to be able to call their "home" and rivals came in and did that, every cc is playing marvel rivals and have BARELY touched overwatch. Sad but It is what it is, people wanted a reason to quit
You are the only OW UA-camr I watch nowadays. Might be because I’m getting older, might be because I can’t play the game bc a traumatic brain injury leaving half my body inoperable. Either way, I’ve successfully gone without playing OW myself for a few years now and let me tell you… It neither feels good nor bad. It simply just is. EDIT: A game designed to please everyone successfully please nobody. You’d think Blizzard’d know that after so many patches with different metas being THE meta. EDIT 2: *smooches back and says goodbye to you so you don’t feel like you’re in a one-sided relationship*
I don’t think it’s the devs fault that the game is bad. It’s the higher ups that tell them what to do. They decide the balance changes and who gets skins based on how popular they are. Same thing is happening with Apex Legends where they aren’t allowed to do what they want and have to listen to the higher ups to keep their job.
if the devs REALLY love the game they can talk back to the higher ups, but no, they are their just for their job and livelihood, no passion for the game at all
@@ccaesersif they talk back they could potentially get fired. If they want to keep their job and make money they will just have to make more Kiri and Mercy skins. Everything about games has become about greed and taking the easy route by laying off a bunch of people and doing bare minimum. If they are financially good they see no reason to do anything.
People think Marvel rivals did it. Bro overwatch killed itself longtime ago. Just because ppl play it dont mean its dead: no one talks in match chat(cus reports), the players look lost and dumb on the field. The players that i used to see in lobbies were left in ow1 or months into ow2. If the game feels hollow in lobby and gameplay? Then its dead
One of Apex’s reason for their downfall that’s being talked about is also not being able to choose whether to cater towards competitive or casual, losing players on both ends with each update
The only time I enjoyed OW2 was that single season where they changed Mei to be more like OW1 Mei and brought back some of the skill expression lost in OW2 Mei. Then instead of adjusting the change to be better, they scrapped the whole thing reverting her M1 back to braindead tf2 Pyro after a single season and now she's back to doing so little DPS on M1 it's essentially useless for everything except freezing people faster in Blizzard. (Mei main bias). I'm sure this feeling is similar for alot of people who played OW1 characters a certain way and they got uprooted (Doom being a big one). The new team 4 have 0 creativity when it comes to balance changes and they seem to do the absolute minimal amount of effort humanely possible for changes instead of actually trying to be creative with things.
@@JCglitchmaster The only fact that you associate Mei with any degree of skill expression tells me enough about your knowledge and understanding of the game. The only thing you could associate with "skill" would be her cd management, that’s about it. Just to confirm what I’m assuming, what’s your rank ? Not trying to be mean but I would bet that your peak rank is maybe diamond at very best.
Similar thing happened to me i started playing OW IN 2017 around then. I quickly became a tank player because we always needed a tank and started to enjoy playing winston i barely touched comp and mostly just played QP casually. Fast foward to OW2 and I slowly started to realize how much less enjoyable tank was i played tank still and eventually got so sick of counter swapping i just decided to hard lock doom worked for a bit. However i realized although i was winning i wasnt having fun the way to get value on tank was honestly just to take cooldowns without dying i was almost always punished for trying to make a play. Towards the last year of OW2 I pretty much only qued support and dps i couldn't stand Tanking. Till rivals came out and i realized i still love playing tank its just OW2 sucked the fun out of tank. In rivals i que nothing but vanguard hulk, strange and thor on rotation and i am having a blast no desire to go back to overwatch whatsoever
Overwatch really just wants to be a skin shop. They killed the social aspect of the game cause it's a political liability, they only care about gameplay insofar as it sells more skins. Like Kiriko has always been broken and she will never be fixed because hot japanese girl sells skins. And people won't buy skins for a hero that's too hard for them. It's just that simple. The devs aren't stupid, they're just developing an interactive skin viewer not a game.
No, you really can't. These groups want two different things that are in opposition to each other. The best you can have is one coexisting with the other.
I dont believe a game *has* to choose between ballancing between casual and competitive player base. I think its all reliant on aspects that make the game fun and flow properly. And good game ballance is a part of that and not so much the deciding factor.
I've been playing the 6v6 playlist non-stop. So long as that is available, I can see myself logging in to play. If you've put in thousands of hours it only makes sense you are going to tire of it eventually.
What do you think is the most casual game ever made? Either it exists or in the hypothesis.Can we think the most casual game in theory or if it exists?
@GREED_EU Why exactly? Why that game is casual and what makes a game(in any genre but shooters to keep it short) casual to 100%. Never played Fortnite mind you
I'm going to wake up early in the morning, start up OW, and play with my friends. Says no one... I'm not huge on MR but I'm damn happy that something can finally be considered a proper competitor to OW.
For years, I've wanted to return to the game to play Junkrat again. What stopped me? I don't want to reward Acti-Blizz by putting my time into their game, lord knows I won't give them my money... Which is a problem if new heroes are locked behind a battlepass (don't know if they still are, don't really care). The amount of backlash I've seen from monetization to PVE to a general inability to balance tells me that this game isn't for me anymore
Basically all Overwatch players were looking for an excuse to jump ship. Game has been dead. Content creators were miserable. Rivals was the outlet they needed. This game likely dies a slow death now over the next 2-3 years.
I think it's a lot more than 25 percent, the few times I can stomach playing this awful bs, I'm running into the same players, cough I mean addicts. Activision ruined this game plain and simple, not devs, not players, not single characters. Overwatch doesn't deserve this as an ip, making your game like fornite/apex/cod isn't what anyone asked for, used to be a moba shooter..
7:57 i think for console it's a little different for player base dropping. Main reason being is marvel rivals is only available on PS5 and series x. So the higher ranked console numbers are dropping but less so in lower ranks because they're are most of the time not on newer gen consoles.
This game would saved if they just fixed rein pins. Why I boop a sleeping/shattered target directly in my crosshairs, while an enemy rein pins me without even touching me even on the killcam is unacceptable. Rein for me is the most fun and unfun thing in this game. Small rant over
Great video. You're completely right about game balance should be for the competitive.. I think blizzard needs to take an approach similar to TCGs games like Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic they have multiple formats that pleases various player bases along side its main game. This allows casual players to play the way they like and the games competitive state not to get affected.
It's losing now... but i've seen this so many many times before, in a few months time once the hype wears down marvel rivals will have the same ammount of players as overwatch has now, i saw it last year with palword, saw it the year before with texas chainsaw and battlebit, calling marvel rivals a overrwatch killer is just... a grifter mindset, rivals is good , but in a few months time its playerbase will shrink
I doubt it because OW continues to piss off its player base while MR keeps getting more praise coming its way. That's the difference. OW's hardcore player base will still support it no matter what. However, the casuals and long time veterans have reached a point where if the other game feels better to play then something is wrong currently. People don't want to be screwed over by messed up balance. They just want to have fun. And unless MR goes against its philosophy, and focuses on competitive over casual then it's going to be hard for Rivals to lose steam.
Palworld is a very disengeous example given that is a single player expereince with a limited ammout of content. I think the issue for overwatch is more so revenue. I have zero clue how profitable overwatch is but I get the impression it's pretty thin margins given how many money making things they added in 2024 (mythic shop, weapon skins, mythic weapons, collabs). Let's be really generous to overwatch and say marvel rivals lasts 6 months before it kinda just bleeds out and 90% of players retrun. 6 months of far less revenue than normal will mean they won't hit financhal targets set out. Guess what, It's layoffs time and Team 4 already feels like it's on a skeleton crew to keep seasons going. And once the layoff's begin so does the death spiral
@@proto245 Execpt casual gamers aren't gonna pick one or the other, since one is a third person shooter and the other a first person shooter most casuals are gonna go "SWEET I HAVE TWO HERO SHOOTERS I CAN PLAY NOW"
@@darkron288no lol the REAL thing they’ll say is “I have 2 shooters to pick from, a fun one or overwatch” they care about what’s fun so they’ll pick the one that’s been the most enjoyable
The original OW devs are all gone. The new devs have made it very clear that they don't even play the game. They patch by spreadsheet analysis. It's a joke.
its literally the worse aspects of the casual and competitive. not the best of both (successfully failed). also unrelate, if the devs want to reduce free value and stuff like that, how would u rework mercy to keep her identity but still fits in a competitive aspect, just curious. (not deleting her ofc)
Speak for yourself. I've been playing overwatch 2 since early October of 2024, and I love it! Very fun, farely casual, completely competitive, but highly unbalanced. It's literally no different from marvel rivals imo. Plus the art style of overwatch is vastly superior to marvel rivals, again imo.
This video is so much yap. Everyone knows why overwatch feels trash to play. Blizzard balanced all of the fun out of the game. Pick any character gone, all hero’s are free gone, any character can kill any character gone,rewarding aggression gone. Nobody wants to sit and battle for high ground against snipers like Ashe, widow, illari for 30 minutes this is a shooter not a moba. This is the same thing rainbow 6 siege did and everyone hated it.
Im kinda tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again, because i doubt the ow devs would even listen. Its sad because even if i DESPISE the people behind the game i still love the game itself and what it meant. But all of the magic has been replaced by skinwatch (not counting balance)
none of my friends enjoy ow anymore. they just play it periodically to fulfill their need to stim tf out on their main heroes. devs just need to bring back ow1s17(mayb sig oris nerfs) for ranked and let qp be wtvr tf ow2 is. or move it to arcade.
if i didn't spend all that time on this shitass game i could have accoplished a lot. oh well, now i dont give a shit about this game and i wanna focus on more important things and it'll probably stay that way even if they somehow manage to unfuck up this game, since i just dont care anymore
A game as old as Overwatch doesnt has casual vs. competetive. Its usually competetive games with different visions on gameplay. You could call it complexity against smplicity. While one side is indeed more casual in their perception of a good game, it doesnt mean they are. Real casual players cant utillize Kiriko, her problem is more that she has a very strong offensive ability and on top of that denying ability. Her general kit is just too strong.
The simple answer is that ow is less fun than rivals for most people because OW is much harder to play, Ow is the better competitive game and Rivals is better from a casual standpoint. That’s the reason why most people who keep saying that rivals is better than Ow are hardstuck gold/plat or even diamond sometimes. While the truth is that they can both co exist because both target different audiences. One is for competitive players and the other for more casual players. That’s it.
@ Kaplan said it only once 7 years ago, not multiple times. So you’re already either lying or misinformed. Kaplan was talking about the dive meta, he never said that the game was not competitively balanced, that’s you’re second lie. I would also add that we’re talking about ow2 here, and even if it was still ow1, as I stated above you’re completely incorrect as of how many times he stated that and more importantly what he said.
@@squattingdog4551 Not true, and just because you started playing at the beta it doesn’t make you an authority on whats true or not, you’d need proof, your rank could help you maybe (I started ow with season 1 btw). Drop your btag lets see what’s your rank lil budd, I’ll show my whole career you’ll show yours. I’m telling you rn I’m gm on both Tank and dps.
Marvel rivals listen to the Community Mean while Overwatch doesn't listen to the Community For Everyone Doesn't Know 6v6 Come out for Marvel rivals Not for the fans
ngl im just tired of them having juno brig run the lobby every game as the best support duo for the 12th season in a row. when they shake the meta up ill come back cause rivals will never compete with OW for me
Blizzard does not deserve its OW fan base, they deserve everything that’s coming their way now that actual competition has arrived Only, and only if, they make a good product like they did 8 years ago should people start to return to the game. And even then, it’s going to take a lot of right decisions (albeit it’s simply giving the fcking people what they want which Rivals has answered and innovated) and time for them to properly earn the trust of their fans again now that we have access to a not-shit and better hero shooter
I think what Overwatch currently lacks is a soul, like this game has no lore, the lore hasn't progressed since OW1 if there was smthng massive to cover then the community would actually speculate new characters and engage with the game Riight now OW has none of that its worse than call of duty cause even call of duty has much better story than OW right now 🤷♂️, OW is just releasing random characters like hazard is just random he popped outta nowhere we never knew anything abt him he just spawned tf?
I dont think the problem is casuals and comp people its the balance team making dumb changes like having widow maker be broken and moria being a little dumbly over powerd heck even bap they been making the game fustrating cause alot of things just never die if things got reverted back a couple seasons the game would be more funner now every season seems they hardly deal with the problems like widow maker and some of these tanks like hazerd its pretty dumb like the start of the season why did lw get buffs nobody ask for same with moria the devs in the balance team just sed just cause they didnt even give a good reason there just power creaping supports and nerfing the dps none stop as well it makes no sense
Wow it's almost as of the dev team is to blame the balance team and also not taking accountability for there own mistakes and admit they fucked up goodbye overwatch hello rivals
100% agree I’ve not been playing but I think the game will be fine next season they will release competitive new skins that should bring people back but this season has no interesting stuff. The theme not interesting The new hero is not interesting temporary 6v6 is not cutting it
Marvel rivals also sucks btw
i love marvel what made u hate it?
Rare L take my guy
@pluto8816 The entire game for me has been:
>Go on off angle
>Get frozen by luna
>unfreeze and shoot for literally 0.2 seconds
>Mantis sleep
>Wake up after 5 years and immediately be pulled in by winter soldier and have 90% of my hp deleted in a nano second
>Get frozen by luna
>be bailed out by supports but get stunned for 20 years by strange ult
>Survive strange ult cause of OP supports
>Get mantis slept
>Pulled back in by winter soldier
>try to run away but get frozen again
>die
I then alt-f4d and uninstalled the game
This seems like a very obvious troll comment, how are people falling for this?
The only thing i can really agree with here is the busted support ults, but everyone in the game is busted to some extent.
we all wanna play overwatch. we just dont wanna play whatever the hell current overwatch is.
I wanna live in the universe where they just kept updating overwatch 1
exactly. i think of playing overwatch and the nostalgic feeling of enjoyment but then the reality of how the game is currently floods in n then i recoil in disgust and have 0 intention of touching it
After playing marvels for a week I love overwatch even more . Idk why but my Xbox series x can’t even run the game . Also if u on ps5 or xbox series s u at a disadvantage and do less damage which is horrible
@@twizms7362but even with that they were doing bad (with that current balance team) lol
The Overwatch situation is crazy
Guys, we need to talk about the Overwatch situation
The crazy situation is Overwatch.
Overwatch is done.
• png of winston with his eyes covered and the words "It's over." written in red as the thumbnail
The situation situation is a situation
@@hootax8980 overwatch is overwatch situation
Years of poor balance decisions, broken promises, only good content over the last year has been kingmaker and 6v6, Barbiewatch dress up simulator, hero releases no longer being hype, lore is buried. I could go on. Acti-Blizz killed the bright-eyed optimism the community used to have for this game. We saw it for its potential and they never reached a fraction of what we imagined.
It went downhill after Jeff left Blizzard.
The only way Overwatch could come back is making an animated show. Cause god damn the animated shorts is what made Overwatch so hype.
The hitbox changes were the first sign of the end times for me. The SECOND you take the effort required to get elims away the game was cooked. Not to mention the endless buffs to anti-fun characters. Also adding mmr and leave penalties to quickplay. The devs don’t want people to have fun, they want people to be angry.
I lost sleep on that night and woke up hoping it was a fever dream as all the hard work I invested into Mei and perfecting her head shots was pointless
Quick play always had mmr?
I actually uninstalled today. The ranked system is pure rigged BS, and the devs change things at random without even knowing what they're changing. They are completely clueless. I've been saying it since 2018, I still say it today.
You know something is fucky with the ranked system when the Dev in charge of making it said openly in an interview that he refuses to play comp because "he doesn't need an algorithm to tell him he's good"
Wdym ? You talking about ow or rivals ?
@@akpade Me personally, I was talkin OW2 an I think other dude was as well
@@akpade overwatch is rigged dude wake up
@@tylerbacoka4248 Why is that ?
I’m just entertained by the whole situation with rivals and Overwatch. Now that there’s actual competition for blizzard, I’m interested to see if they’ll actually TRY to improve ow this instead of just giving the community collabs and scraps constantly.
Also interested to see what netease will do with rivals since they have a BUNCH of content to work with in terms of the marvel ip.
Next season will be a collab with Marvel.
easier to make new characters with rivals than overwatch due to marvel being a colossus of an IP, so you already solved the content issue with rivals so theres that.
When even FLATS has no desire to play overwatch, you know there's something deeply wrong with the game, and deeply right with rivals
Yep, almost all the overwatch glazers jumped ship the moment rivals got popular
Flats is trash
@@giuseppevaccaro7521 yeah he's just a chore to listen to /watch
Almost like hearing flats isn't hungry
Flats becomes the most miserable person and despises his chat anytime he plays overwatch lmfao
dude makes the same video over and over😭
Overwatch it's over, it's done, finally done, finally over part 56
I love it
“If it’s not fun, why bother?”
After 8 years of playing I experienced my final straw with toxic ass teammates. It wasn’t even just about them though, if anything I should thank them because they helped me realize I haven’t actually had fun playing this game in years.
you are the reason why social interactions in ow dont exist no more.
@@AV-xm5ln OW2 has the most toxic playerbase I've ever encountered, you try to defend yourself or your teammate and boom comm banned. It's just not worth playing in my opinion, I'm having so much more fun on Marvel Rivals.
@@AV-xm5ln People will report you for not counter swapping.
@@Ozzy08018 people will report you if you so much as sneeze to loudly into the mic.
Its simple... they got rid of lootboxes so we cant earn skins for free. Meaning we have no reason to play their game other than to rank up. Well the ranked system is fucked by making it 5v5.
It would be like CoD locking all weapon skins behind a pay wall then being confused that a large part of the playerbase quit.
Wow, surprise! We want the ability to earn cosmetics through game play. Who could have guessed
They got rid of lootbox because of Europe legislation, get your facts straight.
You can earn skins for free lmao
@Jdjddn78 stop
@@tgs5725 They stopped loot boxes because of EU legislation, get your facts straight at least.
@akpade what reason did I give? Since you're saying my reasoning was wrong.
TF2 I quit because of burnout after 5k+ hours & I enjoyed 90% of that time spent.
CSGO same story.
1,184 hours on my main, Season 5 is when it started, when I couldn't wait to get off the game to play something else after doing challenges or limiting myself to a 2-4 hour cap of comp.
It's sickening how quick I started to hate this game.
The thing with casual players is that they tend to slowly become competitive players when they see what a good player can do.
The reason this isn't happening often is because easy characters to play keep becoming meta.
Why would I try to be the best player if the best player's gameplay is almost the same as mine?
I have the opinion of:
Easy characters to play SHOULD be bad because even if they are bad, they will be good in low elo.
Characters like Mauga, Orisa, and Moira can be bad characters and still dominate low elo.
A low rank lobby shouldn't look like a high rank lobby and I think that is a big part of the problem.
i dont know whats wrong with OW. i didnt really have a good time with ranked in OW so i just played in scrim games instead, but even then some of the mechanics in the game just make me feel like im doing so much and getting so little done, especially relative to some other heroes where they push one button and im dead
i played rivals for like 30 hours on a single hero, hit grandmaster, and had a blast, especially from hero bans, idk whats else to say. i really love wrecking ball, but the current state of OW just makes me not want to play wrecking ball anymore.. especially when i see what rivals is doing
same for me with Genji. I love playing Genji just not in the state of the game now.
Overwatch is going to die the same way the Dead or Alive series died (the "fighting" game part of the franchise that is). Never commiting to the casual nor the competitive side, and in the end both sides ended up not caring anymore.
Probably Blizzard is going to end up making an Overwatch dating sim once the fps game dies just to keep selling skins.
The game has never been balanced or competitive. 5v5 is trash. Every hero they added has made the came significantly worse. No balance change is going to make people play a boring ass game
- Blizzard stopped expanding the game in it's best moment, then they lied to our faces saying PvE was coming when it wasn't but took the money anyway.
- They changed the game to a format no one asked for and took the original game from our accounts and replaced it with the "sequel" (a glorified cash shop update).
- Then they fired the cinematics and narrative team so the IP, which was a big draw for a lot of people, stopped being worked on.
- Then they further devalued the existing IP by cashing in on stupid colabs from other brands like k-pop band and car manufacturers.
- Then they cranked up the skins churning for the anime girls in the game (jeez I wonder why...) and took them to the forefront instead of working on more gameplay experiences that could reach a wider segment of the audience.
- While all this was happening their balance endeavors where less than succesful and the new heroes were... let's say controversial (I think Juno's the only exception).
- Also, the monetization and progression scheme they chenged to was so stupidly expensive and unrewarding that a lot of people begged for loot boxes to come back.
- The game is a toxic cesspool despite their efforts to sanitize it in part by removing the social features like LFG, having the worst of both worlds: no built in community features AND generalized toxic behavior.
Blizzard lost the lead and the plot on game making. They went from a beloved, generous, trailblazing game studio to a greedy, moneygrubbing, bloated corpo developer that trend-chaces with more than questionable results. They're getting what was coming to them. They made their bed, now they have to lay in it. I feel for the passionate devs that still flock to the studio with sincere intentions, taking a lower pay than in other studios and still get treated like shit. Money people and corpo drones shouldn't be at the helm of pretty much anything, even lees at the helm of a creative endeavor such as videogames.
u can place the blame squarely on Fortnite. Nearly Everygame even call of duty has been trying to match Fortnites success which preys on popular culture through collaborations
Made me laugh saying they traded lore for k pop bands and car manufacturers lol that is accurate
@@lukeGGleeFortnite is just merely a symptom. The core of the growing cancer of the gaming industry is just capitalism, plain and simple.
Dehumanized business-heads that don't know any fun in their lives aside from harassing their slaves and counting money try to rule the art and entertainment industry - what is gonna happen?
Overwatch is losing, BUT Greed is winning
Watching you devolve into madness as you talk about overwatch was honestly kind of sad :(. I'm glad you've overcome your addiction to overwatch and are having a great time playing other game. Hell, you've even gotten a wife in the process lol.
When its all said and done, this game is just a horrible way to spend my already limited time. Thats all. I have had an extremely fun time learning and growing on Marvel Rivals.
Overwatch already lost. Who knew greed and mismanagement would cause it's downfall? It was only a matter of time
The idea that Blizzard didn't pick their poison regarding competitive vs casual is completely false, though.
Just about every change in the last 2 or so years has been catered toward the casual.
overwatch lost me at season 3 initially, came back for season 5, quit again until late season 7 and now has fully lost me since rivals came out. i can’t even stomach opening the game since season 12 knowing how terrible all the changes have been over the last 2 years
I got stressed just seeing this video, hory what is wrong with this game.
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THANK YOU
We, the casuals, were complaining about moira and the rest of the bad post-Ana support heros, especially the shielded one.
nail in the coffin was marvel rivals, people wanted something to be able to call their "home" and rivals came in and did that, every cc is playing marvel rivals and have BARELY touched overwatch. Sad but It is what it is, people wanted a reason to quit
Overwatch died when they took the creativity out of the game by locking roles.
You are the only OW UA-camr I watch nowadays. Might be because I’m getting older, might be because I can’t play the game bc a traumatic brain injury leaving half my body inoperable. Either way, I’ve successfully gone without playing OW myself for a few years now and let me tell you… It neither feels good nor bad. It simply just is.
EDIT: A game designed to please everyone successfully please nobody. You’d think Blizzard’d know that after so many patches with different metas being THE meta.
EDIT 2: *smooches back and says goodbye to you so you don’t feel like you’re in a one-sided relationship*
Who else is just totally fed up with competitive hero shooters, siege, ow, rivals, valorant, etc
Many people dont realize that competitive balance, is the preferred balance for a PvP videogame like Overwatch.
I don’t think it’s the devs fault that the game is bad. It’s the higher ups that tell them what to do. They decide the balance changes and who gets skins based on how popular they are. Same thing is happening with Apex Legends where they aren’t allowed to do what they want and have to listen to the higher ups to keep their job.
The balance team is not told by big corpo to buff widow. They are just stupid
if the devs REALLY love the game they can talk back to the higher ups, but no, they are their just for their job and livelihood, no passion for the game at all
@@ccaesersif they talk back they could potentially get fired. If they want to keep their job and make money they will just have to make more Kiri and Mercy skins. Everything about games has become about greed and taking the easy route by laying off a bunch of people and doing bare minimum. If they are financially good they see no reason to do anything.
People think Marvel rivals did it. Bro overwatch killed itself longtime ago. Just because ppl play it dont mean its dead: no one talks in match chat(cus reports), the players look lost and dumb on the field. The players that i used to see in lobbies were left in ow1 or months into ow2. If the game feels hollow in lobby and gameplay? Then its dead
Game so boring he gets tired just talking about it lol
One of Apex’s reason for their downfall that’s being talked about is also not being able to choose whether to cater towards competitive or casual, losing players on both ends with each update
Moral of the story: kick valorant players out of the game; overwatch will be saved
going back to try overwatch """2""" after playing tons of marvel rivals competitive this month made me realize just how far gone it really is.
The only time I enjoyed OW2 was that single season where they changed Mei to be more like OW1 Mei and brought back some of the skill expression lost in OW2 Mei. Then instead of adjusting the change to be better, they scrapped the whole thing reverting her M1 back to braindead tf2 Pyro after a single season and now she's back to doing so little DPS on M1 it's essentially useless for everything except freezing people faster in Blizzard. (Mei main bias).
I'm sure this feeling is similar for alot of people who played OW1 characters a certain way and they got uprooted (Doom being a big one). The new team 4 have 0 creativity when it comes to balance changes and they seem to do the absolute minimal amount of effort humanely possible for changes instead of actually trying to be creative with things.
Mhhhh yes, ow1 mei had a lot of skill expression, of course
@@akpadeCongratulations, you have the reading comprehension of the average forum user.
@@JCglitchmaster The only fact that you associate Mei with any degree of skill expression tells me enough about your knowledge and understanding of the game. The only thing you could associate with "skill" would be her cd management, that’s about it. Just to confirm what I’m assuming, what’s your rank ? Not trying to be mean but I would bet that your peak rank is maybe diamond at very best.
What is this marvel rivals strategy you mentioned briefly?
I might make a video on it but Idk if I'd make videos on rivals after that cause it's a lil shitty
Every time i go and try to launch overwatch I just end up opening Rivals instead, odd system error ig
Similar thing happened to me i started playing OW IN 2017 around then. I quickly became a tank player because we always needed a tank and started to enjoy playing winston i barely touched comp and mostly just played QP casually. Fast foward to OW2 and I slowly started to realize how much less enjoyable tank was i played tank still and eventually got so sick of counter swapping i just decided to hard lock doom worked for a bit. However i realized although i was winning i wasnt having fun the way to get value on tank was honestly just to take cooldowns without dying i was almost always punished for trying to make a play. Towards the last year of OW2 I pretty much only qued support and dps i couldn't stand Tanking. Till rivals came out and i realized i still love playing tank its just OW2 sucked the fun out of tank. In rivals i que nothing but vanguard hulk, strange and thor on rotation and i am having a blast no desire to go back to overwatch whatsoever
Overwatch really just wants to be a skin shop. They killed the social aspect of the game cause it's a political liability, they only care about gameplay insofar as it sells more skins. Like Kiriko has always been broken and she will never be fixed because hot japanese girl sells skins. And people won't buy skins for a hero that's too hard for them. It's just that simple. The devs aren't stupid, they're just developing an interactive skin viewer not a game.
nah i think you can balance for bith comp and casual it just lies in changing design not just tweaking numbers.
No, you really can't. These groups want two different things that are in opposition to each other. The best you can have is one coexisting with the other.
@lordmew5 nuh uh
I hope all the devs are fired, I don't care if that is ''mean'', them destroying the game was ''mean''.
I dont believe a game *has* to choose between ballancing between casual and competitive player base. I think its all reliant on aspects that make the game fun and flow properly. And good game ballance is a part of that and not so much the deciding factor.
I've been playing the 6v6 playlist non-stop. So long as that is available, I can see myself logging in to play. If you've put in thousands of hours it only makes sense you are going to tire of it eventually.
Casual people dont give a fuck about this but certainly loves to report. 😊
Also they need to add back LFG, was such a simple yet good design. Dont know why they just digging themselves deeper in a hole, they trynna get OW3?
What do you think is the most casual game ever made? Either it exists or in the hypothesis.Can we think the most casual game in theory or if it exists?
Like, casual shooter or just casual game?
@@GREED_EU Both game. But Shooter in this case
@@deadspace4755 Most casual shooter is probably Fortnite
@GREED_EU Why exactly? Why that game is casual and what makes a game(in any genre but shooters to keep it short) casual to 100%.
Never played Fortnite mind you
I'm going to wake up early in the morning, start up OW, and play with my friends.
Says no one...
I'm not huge on MR but I'm damn happy that something can finally be considered a proper competitor to OW.
Bro stop kissing me *blushes*
The less streamers and UA-camrs plays ow the better
I really want to play Overwatch but it's a chore just thinking about it. I wish it was 2016 again.
Tbh overwatch is dead and the shills, the support players, and devs killed it
For years, I've wanted to return to the game to play Junkrat again. What stopped me? I don't want to reward Acti-Blizz by putting my time into their game, lord knows I won't give them my money... Which is a problem if new heroes are locked behind a battlepass (don't know if they still are, don't really care). The amount of backlash I've seen from monetization to PVE to a general inability to balance tells me that this game isn't for me anymore
Loving the ASMR yawning 😂
Old debate, but, TF2 actually outlasted Overwatch. LOL!
Basically all Overwatch players were looking for an excuse to jump ship. Game has been dead. Content creators were miserable. Rivals was the outlet they needed. This game likely dies a slow death now over the next 2-3 years.
I think it's a lot more than 25 percent, the few times I can stomach playing this awful bs, I'm running into the same players, cough I mean addicts. Activision ruined this game plain and simple, not devs, not players, not single characters. Overwatch doesn't deserve this as an ip, making your game like fornite/apex/cod isn't what anyone asked for, used to be a moba shooter..
7:57 i think for console it's a little different for player base dropping. Main reason being is marvel rivals is only available on PS5 and series x. So the higher ranked console numbers are dropping but less so in lower ranks because they're are most of the time not on newer gen consoles.
This game would saved if they just fixed rein pins. Why I boop a sleeping/shattered target directly in my crosshairs, while an enemy rein pins me without even touching me even on the killcam is unacceptable. Rein for me is the most fun and unfun thing in this game. Small rant over
We need more positivity... The game is overcoming it's issues... I didnt use to like the game...
I know Overwatch is losing I want to know if Overwatch has lost?
Another daily dose of Overwatch 2 doompost.
Great video. You're completely right about game balance should be for the competitive.. I think blizzard needs to take an approach similar to TCGs games like Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic they have multiple formats that pleases various player bases along side its main game. This allows casual players to play the way they like and the games competitive state not to get affected.
It's losing now... but i've seen this so many many times before, in a few months time once the hype wears down marvel rivals will have the same ammount of players as overwatch has now, i saw it last year with palword, saw it the year before with texas chainsaw and battlebit, calling marvel rivals a overrwatch killer is just... a grifter mindset, rivals is good , but in a few months time its playerbase will shrink
I doubt it because OW continues to piss off its player base while MR keeps getting more praise coming its way. That's the difference. OW's hardcore player base will still support it no matter what. However, the casuals and long time veterans have reached a point where if the other game feels better to play then something is wrong currently. People don't want to be screwed over by messed up balance. They just want to have fun. And unless MR goes against its philosophy, and focuses on competitive over casual then it's going to be hard for Rivals to lose steam.
Palworld is a very disengeous example given that is a single player expereince with a limited ammout of content.
I think the issue for overwatch is more so revenue. I have zero clue how profitable overwatch is but I get the impression it's pretty thin margins given how many money making things they added in 2024 (mythic shop, weapon skins, mythic weapons, collabs).
Let's be really generous to overwatch and say marvel rivals lasts 6 months before it kinda just bleeds out and 90% of players retrun. 6 months of far less revenue than normal will mean they won't hit financhal targets set out. Guess what, It's layoffs time and Team 4 already feels like it's on a skeleton crew to keep seasons going.
And once the layoff's begin so does the death spiral
@@proto245 Execpt casual gamers aren't gonna pick one or the other, since one is a third person shooter and the other a first person shooter most casuals are gonna go "SWEET I HAVE TWO HERO SHOOTERS I CAN PLAY NOW"
@@darkron288no lol the REAL thing they’ll say is “I have 2 shooters to pick from, a fun one or overwatch” they care about what’s fun so they’ll pick the one that’s been the most enjoyable
The original OW devs are all gone. The new devs have made it very clear that they don't even play the game. They patch by spreadsheet analysis. It's a joke.
Same here, zero motivation for OW2, but I play alot or marvel.
funny you mention dinner at the end there, just finished a lovely chicken with veg and gravy
Sewer slide Jeff the shark is the only play style I know 😎
its literally the worse aspects of the casual and competitive. not the best of both (successfully failed). also unrelate, if the devs want to reduce free value and stuff like that, how would u rework mercy to keep her identity but still fits in a competitive aspect, just curious. (not deleting her ofc)
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correction: you have quit ZERO times, because you STILL PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
I mean. I HAVE quit before. I didn't play for like 6 months in 2023
Speak for yourself. I've been playing overwatch 2 since early October of 2024, and I love it! Very fun, farely casual, completely competitive, but highly unbalanced. It's literally no different from marvel rivals imo. Plus the art style of overwatch is vastly superior to marvel rivals, again imo.
Whatever that knockoff pro overwatch is just came through my timeline about 30 min ago. 360 viewers, no live chat. Lmao. Deserved.
This video is so much yap. Everyone knows why overwatch feels trash to play. Blizzard balanced all of the fun out of the game. Pick any character gone, all hero’s are free gone, any character can kill any character gone,rewarding aggression gone. Nobody wants to sit and battle for high ground against snipers like Ashe, widow, illari for 30 minutes this is a shooter not a moba. This is the same thing rainbow 6 siege did and everyone hated it.
i genuinely think overwatch is great and in an amazing spot rn. because of 6v6.
Greed finally isn’t experiencing the sunk cost fallacy. Also r u gonna post variety of games?
I will. It will not be rivals though because that game is equally dogshit
@@GREED_EU lol
I literally playing Overwatch for 6v6 that leaves im leaving as well.
Cloak and Dagger is like Moira but better designed and she actually requires skill.
She just does not though.. She is piss fucking easy.
Im kinda tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again, because i doubt the ow devs would even listen. Its sad because even if i DESPISE the people behind the game i still love the game itself and what it meant. But all of the magic has been replaced by skinwatch (not counting balance)
At least we tried, RIP.
none of my friends enjoy ow anymore. they just play it periodically to fulfill their need to stim tf out on their main heroes. devs just need to bring back ow1s17(mayb sig oris nerfs) for ranked and let qp be wtvr tf ow2 is. or move it to arcade.
if i didn't spend all that time on this shitass game i could have accoplished a lot. oh well, now i dont give a shit about this game and i wanna focus on more important things and it'll probably stay that way even if they somehow manage to unfuck up this game, since i just dont care anymore
Your Genji gameplay is pretty smooth
A game as old as Overwatch doesnt has casual vs. competetive. Its usually competetive games with different visions on gameplay. You could call it complexity against smplicity. While one side is indeed more casual in their perception of a good game, it doesnt mean they are. Real casual players cant utillize Kiriko, her problem is more that she has a very strong offensive ability and on top of that denying ability. Her general kit is just too strong.
still not nerfing widow btw
Played a few qp games on console. 150+ ping. Same 10-20 people. I PROMISE you console has lost at least 30%
The simple answer is that ow is less fun than rivals for most people because OW is much harder to play, Ow is the better competitive game and Rivals is better from a casual standpoint. That’s the reason why most people who keep saying that rivals is better than Ow are hardstuck gold/plat or even diamond sometimes. While the truth is that they can both co exist because both target different audiences. One is for competitive players and the other for more casual players. That’s it.
overwatch was never competitively balanced. kaplan has said that plenty of times in the past.
@ Kaplan said it only once 7 years ago, not multiple times. So you’re already either lying or misinformed.
Kaplan was talking about the dive meta, he never said that the game was not competitively balanced, that’s you’re second lie.
I would also add that we’re talking about ow2 here, and even if it was still ow1, as I stated above you’re completely incorrect as of how many times he stated that and more importantly what he said.
@@akpade bullshit he has said this every single time balance was brought up. you're the misinformed one.
@@akpade I've played since beta. quit lying. overwatch was balanced toward casuals from the beginning.
@@squattingdog4551 Not true, and just because you started playing at the beta it doesn’t make you an authority on whats true or not, you’d need proof, your rank could help you maybe (I started ow with season 1 btw). Drop your btag lets see what’s your rank lil budd, I’ll show my whole career you’ll show yours. I’m telling you rn I’m gm on both Tank and dps.
Marvel rivals listen to the Community
Mean while Overwatch doesn't listen to the Community
For Everyone Doesn't Know
6v6 Come out for Marvel rivals
Not for the fans
Left this game last year, never felt happier. Hope rivals is better to us.
Mate your points are actually so good.
Bro was sleepy
ngl im just tired of them having juno brig run the lobby every game as the best support duo for the 12th season in a row. when they shake the meta up ill come back cause rivals will never compete with OW for me
Do you yawn in your videos often ?
Only when I talk about OW
@@GREED_EU understable.
Blizzard does not deserve its OW fan base, they deserve everything that’s coming their way now that actual competition has arrived
Only, and only if, they make a good product like they did 8 years ago should people start to return to the game. And even then, it’s going to take a lot of right decisions (albeit it’s simply giving the fcking people what they want which Rivals has answered and innovated) and time for them to properly earn the trust of their fans again now that we have access to a not-shit and better hero shooter
I think what Overwatch currently lacks is a soul, like this game has no lore, the lore hasn't progressed since OW1 if there was smthng massive to cover then the community would actually speculate new characters and engage with the game
Riight now OW has none of that its worse than call of duty cause even call of duty has much better story than OW right now 🤷♂️, OW is just releasing random characters like hazard is just random he popped outta nowhere we never knew anything abt him he just spawned tf?
I dont think the problem is casuals and comp people its the balance team making dumb changes like having widow maker be broken and moria being a little dumbly over powerd heck even bap they been making the game fustrating cause alot of things just never die if things got reverted back a couple seasons the game would be more funner now every season seems they hardly deal with the problems like widow maker and some of these tanks like hazerd its pretty dumb like the start of the season why did lw get buffs nobody ask for same with moria the devs in the balance team just sed just cause they didnt even give a good reason there just power creaping supports and nerfing the dps none stop as well it makes no sense
Wow it's almost as of the dev team is to blame the balance team and also not taking accountability for there own mistakes and admit they fucked up goodbye overwatch hello rivals
I jumped ship after mauga or however you spell his name. I realized my life had more value then wasting it on this dogshit
100% agree I’ve not been playing but I think the game will be fine next season they will release competitive new skins that should bring people back but this season has no interesting stuff. The theme not interesting The new hero is not interesting temporary 6v6 is not cutting it