Years ago friend moved in to a newish apartment complex paying $950 a month. It turned out the Section 8 were allowed and his neighbor paid $300 a month for the same apartment. He also learned the Sect 8 people had kids that liked hanging out in the parking lot at 2 am making noise. He didn't renew his lease.
-My lease terms are month-to-month. Section 8 doesn't like that. -I can fail Section 8 inspections until they go away. I just let them all apply and waste their time. Meanwhile, I've rented the unit to decent people.
How do you rent to decent people if your rentals fail inspections? That is a conflict with reality. So what you are doing is providing substandard housing to those you can abuse instead, right?
@@dustfart466 really? section 8 an the rest are considered the same under the law. Which means you cannot both have a nonsubstandard rental in one inspection and a good one from another unless it was bribed.
Vouchers are not a source of income. I disagree with the ordinance. Landlords should sue. The government isn't going to pay for the damages that the tenant leaves.
@@californiadreamer2580 Actually you are wrong on that part. And more importantly it does have to reported as income in taxes. So you simply failed your business class.
@desen6486 it doesn't matter, it is reporting as income on taxes, whereas taxing them is irrelevant. In fact if you work above a certain level you are taxed
If Section 8 is a source of income, I, as a property manager, would require a copy of the applicant's tax return. Hiding income to avoid taxation is a serious crime (that's what ultimately got Al Capone locked up!), and if this Section 8 "income"was not reported to the IRS as income, I would refuse to rent to them based on criminal activity.
its considered income it basically came aoout in calif because you need to maike 3 times the amount of your rent and there is no way a section 8 person would ever be able to rent a shoebox. so if the tne tenant gets 1000 a month then there portion of rent would be 300 but to qualify instead of having to make 3000 you only need to get 900 a month to qualify.i don't see the issue section 8 is guaranteed money
If KC is going to mandate that we accept their tenants, then I believe that KC should cosign and be on the hook for any damages caused by their tenants. This would get reversed real quick as soon as KC gets the first bill. Tony is right. The way to fix this is with a state preemption law, so that anything passed by local governments (city, county, etc...) are superceded by state statutes that invalidate this government overreach.
I'm sure every rational thinker has had the same idea. I'm sure Tony wouldn't have as much of a problem with section 8 tenants if the cities paid 100% for damages, 100% for rent should something go wrong on the tenants side, took care of the eviction of troublesome individuals etc ... But no, the cities are just looking for someone to pass the buck to.
Yep, that would work. So of course, the Govt won't do it. They're not into really helping people; they're into talking a big show to garner votes and then "come what may... it's not our fault."
That's where you're wrong, thinking that house u're paying rent on is YOURS. It IS NOT, it BELONGS to the BANK. It becomes YOURS, once the final payment is made and proper documents are received. Aaand THEN, the GOVERNMENT has said HOMEOWNER by the balls if said owner EVER decides NOT to pay anymore TAXES..... so, what u say nah?
Except its not the idiots that set these laws that pay. It's the taxpayers. It should be hooked to the politicians PERSONALLY and money taken from their private bank accounts
If you make criteria desperately impact legally protected groups, that is housing discrimination, and many cases have forced landlords to pay a high price for it
@@stevengoldstein114you can actually have thorough screening criteria and STILL be in full compliance. The problem is that most small mom and pop landlords don’t have the background or training to give them these tools. Before I get into my response, I want to let you understand where I’m coming from with this. I have decades of experience working at the large, statewide and national property management organizations (where I’ve managed the 300-600 unit apartment communities) Here, we train our leasing agents and Property Managers proper business practices such as thorough application screening practices, leasing safety measures, etc. For example, when you run the credit report, I teach landlords to go much further beyond just looking at the “credit score” on the credit report. Check any aliases and. Previous addresses listed. Then be sure to contact the city assessor for each of these addresses and validate the owner name. Cross reference the last name of those property owners with any last names of the aliases listed on the credit report, so as to be sure they aren’t giving you their “uncle” for example as a landlord reference. You should also be looking at each individual account on the credit report as well. In other words, don’t just use the “score”. For example, if they have 10 accounts listed in their credit report (visa, Master Card, student loan, auto payment, etc) and they pay 9 of them on time but only one has been sent to collections. Most landlords would see the “good credit score” and accept the applicant. I teach landlords to actually “open up” the credit report and be sure that this ONE account that was sent to collections is not a “landlord or Property Management company”. In this instance, this would be an automatic denial at any of the properties/apartment communities I’ve managed in the past. I come from decades of working at the large, national and statewide Property Management organizations (where I’ve managed the 300 unit/500 unit communities). My classes teach small landlords all the secrets and tips that we train our leasing agents on at that side of the industry.
@@stevengoldstein114 credit score 680+. That alone will weed out all the sec8's who don't actually have some kind of job or (real) income. I've never had to accept a sec8 applicant based on application criteria that anybody with full employment 20 or 30 percent above minimum wage and a decent civil history could qualify for. These days my PM handles this and sorry to say it but more efficiently than I do. I don't know the details and I don't need to. If we ever do see a sec8 applicatnt with a 680 credit score and a job or a real pension, they probably will be a fine tenant. Those are the rare ones from what I have been able to see. Every one of these videos on sec8 I say the same thing. Landlords or anybody else CANNOT BE COMPELLED by law to act against their own interests. They will find loopholes or decline to continue operating, or they will raise their rents until they are commensurate with the risk. If the FEDERALLY OPTIONAL program is not being bought into by enough LL's, the program needs to be improved or the tenants selected as recipients need to be higher quality. I proposed a bunch of ideas to improve the program on the last one of these.
You know best how difficult these tenants can be. I would just sell so that I wouldn't have to deal with the politicians stupidity. Are the politicians going to reimburse you when they wreck your rental property.
I agree with you and would suggest that you write an open letter to publish in a local newspaper about "Section 8 is a pain in the butt, and if they want landlords to participate, here's what they need to change"
Years ago a Miami landlord couldn't find tenants for his rental home in the open market. He doubled the rent then signed up for Section 8 program and got tenants.
Couldn't a landlord simply fail government inspections on purpose when applying as a section 8 property? After all... If a property isn't qualified for the program, that would give owners a legitimate excuse for not taking vouchers.
It's how the government works. A voluntary program is created. Then, once the program exists, it becomes mandatory. It's similar to taxes. A new tax is created that affects only the richest people, but within 30 years, it'll affect everyone with a job supporting themselves.
The problem with some section 8 tenants is that the place isn't theirs so they don't care about the place. They will leave the place a lot worse than when they first started there. If the government wants section 8 recipients living there let the government pay for any damages that occur.
landlords have a losing record in federal court of Nebraska in the case of Brown v. Omaha Housing Authority, the case was This matter is before the court on defendant's motion for summary judgment. Filing No. 72. This is an action to enforce the provisions of the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. § 3601- 3631. Plaintiff alleges that the Omaha Housing Authority ("the OHA") policy of denying Section 8 housing assistance based on nonviolent, nondrug-related criminal activities that do not threaten the health or safety of other residents is unlawful and discriminatory. THe summary judgment was DENIED
You make many valid points concerning politicians who don’t know business that try to run landlords business. The government needs to stop giving handouts and start creating businesses and jobs to employ people, not breed welfare recipients.
Other states have done this and it has not gone well. To enforce this, advocates call appartments and landlords asking for placing section 8 residents. When they have no units when section 8 is mentioned, but have plenty of units to show to anyone else, they sued the landlords. The result is higher deposits, landlords selling out,, and conversion to short term Air B N B rentals. This results in a total lack of "Affordable Housing" as the landlords pull out of the markets or convert to upper level income property entirely. With tenant protection laws and limits on increases, investors such as myself are investing in other things with less risk and higher returns. Thihnk about the November Election and how it may impact this case. Which candidate would be more for socialism and which would more likely support investors to bring more housing to the market?
@@stevengoldstein114 ALSO what cases SCOTUS found to be constitutional in 1 case can and will find another case to be UN constitutional and that is FACT.
@@Darlene-ox9cz But what case do you have? Again you are not proving anything. The US Supreme Court has rejected landlord cases even as recently as 3 cases on 2024
I’m in Houston so it’s a little different here. Our landlords can decide not to rent to section 8 but our HOA’s cannot discriminate against section 8 renters. It use to be that a lot of HOA’s wouldn’t allow section 8 tenants. Now that is changed a lot of section 8 renters are moving in and it’s making neighborhoods become dysfunctional. Homeowners start moving out and for sale signs go up all over. I noticed that a lot of people buying these homes are from other countries and don’t understand (yet) why a lot of landlords don’t want to rent to section 8 tenants. It just seems unconstitutional that our government can dictate how you rent your property. Every time we turn around something else is restricting our ability to use our property. Our property taxes are ridiculous, homeowners insurance has literally blown up and keeping the property up to date has become ultra expensive. Now the government steps in with a narrative that might be reckless for your property. I don’t know how landlords make it in some cities anymore. Sooner or later landlords have to get together and hire attorneys to figure out their rights as landlords before the government finds more ways to dictate your right as a landlord.
@@stevengoldstein114 these landlords are not be justly compensated when their section 8 tenants damages the property. Thats the whole point. It’s not just about paying rent but who you rent to.
@carolinecutler9080 again, it really is not unconstitutional and the real problem is that landlords have not really understood the legal situation they are in. This is a wake up. That until the homelessness crisis is passed, there will be laws like this.
Somehow, I knew section 8 was a bad idea over 40 years ago the government has no right to force a landlord to accept any and all tenants, instead the government should be looking at why landlords do not want to accept section 8 and see what they can do to help solve the problems that make section 8 undesirable.
No no no silly. Section 8 is a government program yes, but it’s designed to be optional. Let’s keep it that way and not throw the entire thing out. If it makes landlords nervous, they don’t have to do it.
We have a house across the street from us that's section 8. Don't do it. These people live in a 505 home development that's about 28 years old. Our kids grew up together, our neighborhood was clean. The grass was cut. Noise was never a problem. Trash cans were brought back in the same day of pickup. Now: kids out all night; loud music; grass never cut, parties Friday- Sunday; trash on their lawn and driveway. And they live to argue. Makes you angry because these people should be in the projects or the uglier side of town where their chaotic lifestyles are acceptable
@@georgewagner7787 I agree. It’s extremely rude. So go ahead and have your party if you want. I don’t care. Just keep the noise contained. Otherwise, at the very least, someone will write a song about you.
I've often thought that if Landlords HAVE to take Section 8 then they also should have greater control when those who fail to pay when using Government money. Because they are not cheating just the landlord but the Government, which is 'Federal' crime. And then Government has to incur the role of making it whole. From damage to eviction and passed due rent.
They tried to pull this nonsense in Maryland at the state and county level. There's a DC REIA - Real Estate Investment Association. They got together and put a lot of pressure on the legislator to not do it. It never happened. I know people who rent section 8. The people don't care about your property, it's not theirs. In the typical case you're going to have to do a rehab after every renter leaves. Sometimes you have to call in hazmat. There is the drug problem sometimes, then there are people who spray near the bathroom. Yea. That has to be cleaned up, and they were living like that. One of my tenants used to own a business that would clean things like that up. Gas station bathrooms, crime scenes, even houses where the person expired in the house. He used to tell me some stories. Anyhow, that's what I recommend. Set up a REIA in KC and invite all your real estate investors in. Hold classes, educate new ones. Soon you'll have a big business with lots of connections to people who make those decisions.
What is interesting is that this brief DID NOT actually establish any cause regarding 4th Amendment, because all the city needs to do is get a warrant for every Section 8 unit for inspections as a practice. Thus this case is DEAD. What you never did learn was only one case successfully won based on no warrants issued. So this is a pointless case. and the fine is NOT a CRIMINAL statute, it is CIVIL meaning that the lawyers are doubly WRONG.
By the way this is a preliminary injunction request, not a temporary restraining order, which is interesting. Because it appears that they would not win a TRO and thus are trying a PI order. Looks like another weakness in the case.
With the housing Market-Section 8 will work for many! Just screen your tenants Throughly & Stop 🛑 put a Target 🎯 on All Section 8 Tenants! I m an excellent tenant I take excellent care of my New Apartment! My last place I stayed for years but moved because my slumlords
Hud sets FMR in Kansas City as $1083 for studio, $1207 for one bed, $1383 for 2 bed $1809 for 3 bed and $2,124 for four bed. However Zumper says a studio in Kansas City is $850, a 1 bed is $1000, a 2 bed is $1250, a 3 bed is $1600 and a four bed is $1800, which means HUD is outpaying the market. Funny huh? Looks like it is much better to work with hud if you get 27% more for a studio, 21% more for a 1 bed, 11% more for a 2 bed, 13% more for a 3 bed, and 18% more for a 4 bed. This is so dumb.
not yet market clearing rate. Sec8 tenants are higher risk. working with government is more time and effort. Pointless inspections with inspectors justifying their jobs with pedantic minor issues. Risk of driving away market tenants. Etc. Etc. Raise the compensaation or reduce the risk.
@madderscience all excuses with no evidence, in any event the court has not ordered the injunction. Meaning the case is dead. I proved again that if the market is paying less than HUD, which I did, you are just wrong.
@@stevengoldstein114 then why do they have to pass laws trying to force LL's to take sec8? Thats pretty strong evidence that the aren't offering enough, or they need to mitigate the risk.
@madderscience wrong again. The numbers do not lie. What it is is pretext housing discrimination. And that is why you need to be overriden with 5th amendment remedy
Just check their credit report and background. Most S8 tenants have bad credit and sketchy backgrounds. Landlord can make a decision on that basis alone
Hud sets FMR in Kansas City as $1083 for studio, $1207 for one bed, $1383 for 2 bed $1809 for 3 bed and $2,124 for four bed. However Zumper says a studio in Kansas City is $850, a 1 bed is $1000, a 2 bed is $1250, a 3 bed is $1600 and a four bed is $1800, which means HUD is outpaying the market. Funny huh? Looks like it is much better to work with hud if you get 27% more for a studio, 21% more for a 1 bed, 11% more for a 2 bed, 13% more for a 3 bed, and 18% more for a 4 bed. This is so dumb.
I'm disabled. Looking for a one bedroom section 8 apartment in Kansas City. I have great credit. A 10 lb dog. Excellent rental history. If you have something becoming available let me know.
I used to clean houses for people who rented, and, people who owned their own homes. Some of them were quite wealthy. Many of them were not tidy, or sanitary. Some of them were ungrateful, mean spirited people. My point is, is that; so many of these comments talk like all people on section 8 are the same; sub- human, even. Those comments are not decent. Sad really.
@@rudybishop9089 that's right. Either a giant wall. Or send them to a new piece of land to give to them. There are colonies elsewhere waiting for people.
You are so wrong regarding courts. You should read this case :In October, the Washington, D.C., attorney general’s office announced the largest civil award in a housing discrimination case in U.S. history. The lawsuit was filed in 2020 against D.C. real estate firms DARO Realty, DARO Management Services, and Infinity Real Estate LLC, which oversaw investing for companies. A judge ruled that DARO would have to pay $10 million to settle a lawsuit brought by holders of Section 8 vouchers, a federally funded payment system that allows low-income people to rent in the private market. What’s more, DARO had to dissolve its property management business and certain members of leadership who were named as defendants were permanently banned from owning property management businesses in D.C. The company’s president, Carissa Barry, was required to forfeit her real estate licenses for 15 years. You need to stop reading skewed information
Not all section 8 tenants are problems. If you are rejecting a particular potential tenant for their history that is ok. But rejecting section 8 tenants as a class when you get fair market rent, when section 8 and the tenants portion is added is ridiculous. I'm going with KC on this one.
I've been blessed to not have to deal with a Section 8 as of yet. But I do know of someone who has, and so far the only house she lost was to a Section 8. One day cops entered one of her properties to arrest a guy, who was living there but wasn't listed on the lease, and found a Walter White style lab. After local code inspected and performed tests, they condemned the house and ordered that she have a contractor, licensed to handle hazardous materials, clean up. When I say clean up, I don't mean mop the floor. I mean they were going to replace the drywall, the ceiling, the flooring, the trim, the insulation, fixtures, etc... and it got better after that. Nearly half of the backyard tested positive for contamination, so even the dirt needed to be hauled away and replaced too. And it wasn't just going to be the clean up crew that needed to be licensed, even the trucker hauling everything to the landfill needed to have a hazmat endorsement. Labor is expensive already, but labor specialized in hazardous materials was crushing. The cost to fix was more than the value of the house. That happened around the time I got my first house and was reconditioning it. Her experience scared me into never accepting a Section 8 tenant, ever. To the best of my knowledge, Section 8 severely limits the landlords ability to evict, charge late fees, and otherwise enforce the lease. Here, they limit how much a landlord can charge a tenant for rent. Section 8 will pay up to a certain amount, and the tenant is responsible for the remainder. Problem is, Section 8 caps the remainder based on the square footage of the bedrooms. Doesn't matter if the house is in a crime-ridden slum, or if it's in the Garden of Eden, to them a square foot is a square foot, and the landlord is prohibited from charging more if it exceeds what they have written in their chart. I was in JP court a while back and there was a landlord that was evicting a tenant. In Texas, the landlord needs to give the tenant 3 days notice to vacate, but Section 8 requires 30 days and they need a copy of the notice. The LL did give 30 days notice to the tenant, but Section 8 didn't receive their notice before the 30 days. I thought the judge would adjourn until a later date if HUD needed more time, but instead the judge dismissed the case, and LL had to start over from scratch with a new case. I would agree with you wholeheartedly if Section 8 was nothing more than supplemental income, but there are a lot of strings attached that makes LL ask, if it even worth it?
You’re obviously not a landlord. Decent tenants don’t want to live around section eight tenants. The majority are terrible tenants…not all…but enough to make landlords stay away because you never know until it’s too late.
@@vernondavis561 Actually yes they are since Section 8 vouchers are often given to racial minorities, single mothers, elderly, or disabled. Which means blanket blocks of Section 8 are desperate impact housing discrimination. You really need someone to give you some education.
I dont have a dog in this fight. However refusing housing folks could be considered crimes against humanity.. if there isnt any other options they're gonna do it
@georgewagner7787 I guess it's the matter of perspective.. in my eyes, Hitler was a necessary evil and the those who say they are jews are the synagogue of satan... so there you go... perspective
Again, this is a us constitutional act of Eminent Domain, since you are compensated. Thus, it is fully constitutional and time to just get used to it. Read the Kelo v New London Supreme Court decision.
Tell me you don't understand Emanate (sic) Domain without telling me you don't understand Eminent Domain. If you can't even spell it correctly, I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue how it really works. Then I read the second sentence, which confirms that you don't understand how it works. Eminent domain involves private lands taken for public use, Mr. Stevie.... not forcing private owners who are still the owners to accept vouchers while they are still on the hook for damages and poor tenant behavior in a contractual obligation that doesn't directly benefit the public, but only one private party (maybe). Look on the bright side, though. At least now you know how to correctly spell the concept you don't understand. Maybe take some time to commit that to memory first, then read up on what the laws actually say and what their purpose is.
@sidwhiting665 my phone did an automatic correction, in any event you need to read the Kelo case, it makes it very clear. Too bad you refuse to read it. The US Supreme Court makes it clear the state and cities can use funds Iike Section 8 to establish compensation, which means you are simply wrong.
I find it amazing g that Tony only having 10 rental units claims to have the authority to determine the legal issues. And the lawyers and landlords already know it is a constitutional law. If your rent is paid, then you have no exclusionary power. Under Kelo
@@stevengoldstein114 opinions you don't like don't just vanish because a court rules the other way. Sec8 is still FEDERALLY OPTIONAL PROGRAM. that has not changed. Even the highest court has a record of flip flopping, for better or worse.
Years ago friend moved in to a newish apartment complex paying $950 a month. It turned out the Section 8 were allowed and his neighbor paid $300 a month for the same apartment. He also learned the Sect 8 people had kids that liked hanging out in the parking lot at 2 am making noise. He didn't renew his lease.
Just one more reason to never own rental property in Kansas City, MO.
-My lease terms are month-to-month. Section 8 doesn't like that.
-I can fail Section 8 inspections until they go away.
I just let them all apply and waste their time. Meanwhile, I've rented the unit to decent people.
Many do that.
How do you rent to decent people if your rentals fail inspections? That is a conflict with reality. So what you are doing is providing substandard housing to those you can abuse instead, right?
@stevengoldstein114 I think those inspections are in order for the section 8 people to approve living there. It doesn't apply to regular people.
@@dustfart466 really? section 8 an the rest are considered the same under the law. Which means you cannot both have a nonsubstandard rental in one inspection and a good one from another unless it was bribed.
@@stevengoldstein114 Section 8 may care that older handrail pickets are 5" apart. Most normal tenants don't.
Totally agree with you. The reason they are trying to force it now is because the program is such a mess most landlords won’t do it.
The housing affordability disaster is forcing it, just like during WW2
Vouchers are not a source of income. I disagree with the ordinance. Landlords should sue. The government isn't going to pay for the damages that the tenant leaves.
If it were actually "income", they would be paying an income tax on it.
@@californiadreamer2580 Actually you are wrong on that part. And more importantly it does have to reported as income in taxes. So you simply failed your business class.
@@stevengoldstein114 Turbotax tells me Section 8 is not taxable income. I'll go with them over random internet comments.
@desen6486 it doesn't matter, it is reporting as income on taxes, whereas taxing them is irrelevant. In fact if you work above a certain level you are taxed
Heeee heeeee heeee, all you uppity rich Libs living in your private little hoods, Say hello to my section 8 friends 🥶
Don't rent to Section 8 tenants. You will regret it
If Section 8 is a source of income, I, as a property manager, would require a copy of the applicant's tax return. Hiding income to avoid taxation is a serious crime (that's what ultimately got Al Capone locked up!), and if this Section 8 "income"was not reported to the IRS as income, I would refuse to rent to them based on criminal activity.
You know federal law prohibited this? Why keep saying it?
its considered income it basically came aoout in calif because you need to maike 3 times the amount of your rent and there is no way a section 8 person would ever be able to rent a shoebox. so if the tne tenant gets 1000 a month then there portion of rent would be 300 but to qualify instead of having to make 3000 you only need to get 900 a month to qualify.i don't see the issue section 8 is guaranteed money
If KC is going to mandate that we accept their tenants, then I believe that KC should cosign and be on the hook for any damages caused by their tenants. This would get reversed real quick as soon as KC gets the first bill. Tony is right. The way to fix this is with a state preemption law, so that anything passed by local governments (city, county, etc...) are superceded by state statutes that invalidate this government overreach.
I'm sure every rational thinker has had the same idea.
I'm sure Tony wouldn't have as much of a problem with section 8 tenants if the cities paid 100% for damages, 100% for rent should something go wrong on the tenants side, took care of the eviction of troublesome individuals etc ...
But no, the cities are just looking for someone to pass the buck to.
Yep, that would work. So of course, the Govt won't do it. They're not into really helping people; they're into talking a big show to garner votes and then "come what may... it's not our fault."
That's where you're wrong, thinking that house u're paying rent on is YOURS. It IS NOT, it BELONGS to the BANK. It becomes YOURS, once the final payment is made and proper documents are received. Aaand THEN, the GOVERNMENT has said HOMEOWNER by the balls if said owner EVER decides NOT to pay anymore TAXES..... so, what u say nah?
Except its not the idiots that set these laws that pay. It's the taxpayers. It should be hooked to the politicians PERSONALLY and money taken from their private bank accounts
I totally agree with your comment
I’m not a landlord and about all of what you say makes sense.
Best way to fight these laws, dump all the properties in that market.
Why is society bowing down, to nonsense.
My application process and background checks are so thorough that most section 8 applicants will not pass.
If you make criteria desperately impact legally protected groups, that is housing discrimination, and many cases have forced landlords to pay a high price for it
Good for you. Section 8 is a huge problem.
@@stevengoldstein114you can actually have thorough screening criteria and STILL be in full compliance. The problem is that most small mom and pop landlords don’t have the background or training to give them these tools.
Before I get into my response, I want to let you understand where I’m coming from with this. I have decades of experience working at the large, statewide and national property management organizations (where I’ve managed the 300-600 unit apartment communities) Here, we train our leasing agents and Property Managers proper business practices such as thorough application screening practices, leasing safety measures, etc.
For example, when you run the credit report, I teach landlords to go much further beyond just looking at the “credit score” on the credit report. Check any aliases and. Previous addresses listed. Then be sure to contact the city assessor for each of these addresses and validate the owner name. Cross reference the last name of those property owners with any last names of the aliases listed on the credit report, so as to be sure they aren’t giving you their “uncle” for example as a landlord reference. You should also be looking at each individual account on the credit report as well. In other words, don’t just use the “score”. For example, if they have 10 accounts listed in their credit report (visa, Master Card, student loan, auto payment, etc) and they pay 9 of them on time but only one has been sent to collections. Most landlords would see the “good credit score” and accept the applicant. I teach landlords to actually “open up” the credit report and be sure that this ONE account that was sent to collections is not a “landlord or Property Management company”. In this instance, this would be an automatic denial at any of the properties/apartment communities I’ve managed in the past. I come from decades of working at the large, national and statewide Property Management organizations (where I’ve managed the 300 unit/500 unit communities). My classes teach small landlords all the secrets and tips that we train our leasing agents on at that side of the industry.
@@stevengoldstein114 credit score 680+. That alone will weed out all the sec8's who don't actually have some kind of job or (real) income. I've never had to accept a sec8 applicant based on application criteria that anybody with full employment 20 or 30 percent above minimum wage and a decent civil history could qualify for. These days my PM handles this and sorry to say it but more efficiently than I do. I don't know the details and I don't need to.
If we ever do see a sec8 applicatnt with a 680 credit score and a job or a real pension, they probably will be a fine tenant. Those are the rare ones from what I have been able to see.
Every one of these videos on sec8 I say the same thing. Landlords or anybody else CANNOT BE COMPELLED by law to act against their own interests. They will find loopholes or decline to continue operating, or they will raise their rents until they are commensurate with the risk. If the FEDERALLY OPTIONAL program is not being bought into by enough LL's, the program needs to be improved or the tenants selected as recipients need to be higher quality. I proposed a bunch of ideas to improve the program on the last one of these.
Just up the rent beyond what section 8 will pay, simple.
You know best how difficult these tenants can be. I would just sell so that I wouldn't have to deal with the politicians stupidity. Are the politicians going to reimburse you when they wreck your rental property.
KC landlords should get out of the business.
I agree with you and would suggest that you write an open letter to publish in a local newspaper about "Section 8 is a pain in the butt, and if they want landlords to participate, here's what they need to change"
Probably cheaper to pay a fine than to deal with the damage expense bills later.
A guy in my neighborhood built a building 3 stories too tall and paid the fine
Years ago a Miami landlord couldn't find tenants for his rental home in the open market. He doubled the rent then signed up for Section 8 program and got tenants.
Section 8 source of income is the source of MY income being MY taxes.
Couldn't a landlord simply fail government inspections on purpose when applying as a section 8 property?
After all...
If a property isn't qualified for the program, that would give owners a legitimate excuse for not taking vouchers.
My gutters guy couldn't evict some druggies. He said he ripped off the electric panel and called code conpliance anonymously on himself.
The only way to comply is to buy a dump.
LOL
How can cities make a voluntary program mandatory?
It's how the government works. A voluntary program is created. Then, once the program exists, it becomes mandatory. It's similar to taxes. A new tax is created that affects only the richest people, but within 30 years, it'll affect everyone with a job supporting themselves.
The problem with some section 8 tenants is that the place isn't theirs so they don't care about the place. They will leave the place a lot worse than when they first started there. If the government wants section 8 recipients living there let the government pay for any damages that occur.
Well as a Hard working Renter I won't be coming to Kansas City to rent .
We'll miss you.
landlords have a losing record in federal court of Nebraska in the case of Brown v. Omaha Housing Authority, the case was
This matter is before the court on defendant's motion for summary judgment. Filing No. 72. This is an action to enforce the provisions of the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. § 3601- 3631. Plaintiff alleges that the Omaha Housing Authority ("the OHA") policy of denying Section 8 housing assistance based on nonviolent, nondrug-related criminal activities that do not threaten the health or safety of other residents is unlawful and discriminatory.
THe summary judgment was DENIED
You make many valid points concerning politicians who don’t know business that try to run landlords business. The government needs to stop giving handouts and start creating businesses and jobs to employ people, not breed welfare recipients.
But they vote
Other states have done this and it has not gone well. To enforce this, advocates call appartments and landlords asking for placing section 8 residents. When they have no units when section 8 is mentioned, but have plenty of units to show to anyone else, they sued the landlords.
The result is higher deposits, landlords selling out,, and conversion to short term Air B N B rentals. This results in a total lack of "Affordable Housing" as the landlords pull out of the markets or convert to upper level income property entirely.
With tenant protection laws and limits on increases, investors such as myself are investing in other things with less risk and higher returns.
Thihnk about the November Election and how it may impact this case. Which candidate would be more for socialism and which would more likely support investors to bring more housing to the market?
I have never voted early but this year I will be first in line
Wow Haven't humans practiced resource discrimination since forever. If you can't make it in life, you just don't get to live on the hill.
Welfare is not income
section 8 is just a term for a women with children that needs a discount to raise her children, so if you don't rent to her, YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING!!!
Nebraska has wide discretion and deference under the state law and even more power in the federal courts. This will be dismissed.
I will get rid of my rentrals before I will accept section 8
Unconstitutional. watch landlords sell in droves....To CORPORATIONS
Wrong, read the Kelo v New London US Supreme Court decision.
@@stevengoldstein114 Bwahahaha! just watch, landlords will sell in droves hahaha!!!
@@Darlene-ox9cz no problem. Better business out there
@@stevengoldstein114 ALSO what cases SCOTUS found to be constitutional in 1 case can and will find another case to be UN constitutional and that is FACT.
@@Darlene-ox9cz But what case do you have? Again you are not proving anything. The US Supreme Court has rejected landlord cases even as recently as 3 cases on 2024
I’m in Houston so it’s a little different here. Our landlords can decide not to rent to section 8 but our HOA’s cannot discriminate against section 8 renters. It use to be that a lot of HOA’s wouldn’t allow section 8 tenants. Now that is changed a lot of section 8 renters are moving in and it’s making neighborhoods become dysfunctional. Homeowners start moving out and for sale signs go up all over. I noticed that a lot of people buying these homes are from other countries and don’t understand (yet) why a lot of landlords don’t want to rent to section 8 tenants. It just seems unconstitutional that our government can dictate how you rent your property. Every time we turn around something else is restricting our ability to use our property. Our property taxes are ridiculous, homeowners insurance has literally blown up and keeping the property up to date has become ultra expensive. Now the government steps in with a narrative that might be reckless for your property. I don’t know how landlords make it in some cities anymore. Sooner or later landlords have to get together and hire attorneys to figure out their rights as landlords before the government finds more ways to dictate your right as a landlord.
One guy in the comments told how
@georgewagner7787 the Kelo v New London case in the US Supreme Court says as long as you are compensated the government can force you to do anything.
@@stevengoldstein114 maybe they should pay you to get a job.
@@stevengoldstein114 these landlords are not be justly compensated when their section 8 tenants damages the property. Thats the whole point. It’s not just about paying rent but who you rent to.
@carolinecutler9080 again, it really is not unconstitutional and the real problem is that landlords have not really understood the legal situation they are in. This is a wake up. That until the homelessness crisis is passed, there will be laws like this.
I'm on the Kansas City Kansas side and we don't have this, yet. The moment we do I'm out of the rental business.
Somehow, I knew section 8 was a bad idea over 40 years ago the government has no right to force a landlord to accept any and all tenants, instead the government should be looking at why landlords do not want to accept section 8 and see what they can do to help solve the problems that make section 8 undesirable.
No no no silly. Section 8 is a government program yes, but it’s designed to be optional. Let’s keep it that way and not throw the entire thing out. If it makes landlords nervous, they don’t have to do it.
We have a house across the street from us that's section 8. Don't do it. These people live in a 505 home development that's about 28 years old. Our kids grew up together, our neighborhood was clean. The grass was cut. Noise was never a problem. Trash cans were brought back in the same day of pickup. Now: kids out all night; loud music; grass never cut, parties Friday- Sunday; trash on their lawn and driveway. And they live to argue. Makes you angry because these people should be in the projects or the uglier side of town where their chaotic lifestyles are acceptable
Where does it say in the rules that you can’t have a party without keeping the noise somewhat contained? I’ve been to plenty of those.
Just bc it's not in the law it's still RUDE.
OTHer people have to sleep so they can work
@@georgewagner7787 I agree. It’s extremely rude. So go ahead and have your party if you want. I don’t care. Just keep the noise contained. Otherwise, at the very least, someone will write a song about you.
I've often thought that if Landlords HAVE to take Section 8 then they also should have greater control when those who fail to pay when using Government money. Because they are not cheating just the landlord but the Government, which is 'Federal' crime. And then Government has to incur the role of making it whole. From damage to eviction and passed due rent.
They don't care about crime. Someone stole my credit card and Monday went to the stm. Cops did nothing.
ATM
@georgewagner7787 they cannot use the card without pin code, this is just another story
The best way to foght such a crock law, is to ignore it!
They tried to pull this nonsense in Maryland at the state and county level. There's a DC REIA - Real Estate Investment Association. They got together and put a lot of pressure on the legislator to not do it. It never happened. I know people who rent section 8. The people don't care about your property, it's not theirs. In the typical case you're going to have to do a rehab after every renter leaves. Sometimes you have to call in hazmat. There is the drug problem sometimes, then there are people who spray near the bathroom. Yea. That has to be cleaned up, and they were living like that. One of my tenants used to own a business that would clean things like that up. Gas station bathrooms, crime scenes, even houses where the person expired in the house. He used to tell me some stories.
Anyhow, that's what I recommend. Set up a REIA in KC and invite all your real estate investors in. Hold classes, educate new ones. Soon you'll have a big business with lots of connections to people who make those decisions.
We had a neighbor like that. My roommate painted his apartment but wouldn't touch the bathroom. We called nyc and they sent cleaners.
You nailed it on every point.
What is interesting is that this brief DID NOT actually establish any cause regarding 4th Amendment, because all the city needs to do is get a warrant for every Section 8 unit for inspections as a practice. Thus this case is DEAD. What you never did learn was only one case successfully won based on no warrants issued. So this is a pointless case. and the fine is NOT a CRIMINAL statute, it is CIVIL meaning that the lawyers are doubly WRONG.
Interesting bc I didn't know there are federal civil court before the Supreme Court
So far no preliminary injunction ordered yet. Looks like this idea sank in court
By the way this is a preliminary injunction request, not a temporary restraining order, which is interesting. Because it appears that they would not win a TRO and thus are trying a PI order. Looks like another weakness in the case.
But is this gonna hold up?
With the housing Market-Section 8 will work for many! Just screen your tenants Throughly & Stop 🛑 put a Target 🎯 on All Section 8 Tenants! I m an excellent tenant I take excellent care of my New Apartment! My last place I stayed for years but moved because my slumlords
Hud sets FMR in Kansas City as $1083 for studio, $1207 for one bed, $1383 for 2 bed $1809 for 3 bed and $2,124 for four bed. However Zumper says a studio in Kansas City is $850, a 1 bed is $1000, a 2 bed is $1250, a 3 bed is $1600 and a four bed is $1800, which means HUD is outpaying the market. Funny huh? Looks like it is much better to work with hud if you get 27% more for a studio, 21% more for a 1 bed, 11% more for a 2 bed, 13% more for a 3 bed, and 18% more for a 4 bed. This is so dumb.
not yet market clearing rate. Sec8 tenants are higher risk. working with government is more time and effort. Pointless inspections with inspectors justifying their jobs with pedantic minor issues. Risk of driving away market tenants. Etc. Etc. Raise the compensaation or reduce the risk.
@madderscience all excuses with no evidence, in any event the court has not ordered the injunction. Meaning the case is dead. I proved again that if the market is paying less than HUD, which I did, you are just wrong.
@@stevengoldstein114 then why do they have to pass laws trying to force LL's to take sec8? Thats pretty strong evidence that the aren't offering enough, or they need to mitigate the risk.
@madderscience wrong again. The numbers do not lie. What it is is pretext housing discrimination. And that is why you need to be overriden with 5th amendment remedy
Just check their credit report and background. Most S8 tenants have bad credit and sketchy backgrounds. Landlord can make a decision on that basis alone
I’m surprised anyone is a landlord!
In many markets Section 8 is substantially below market, hopefully that is the case with Kansas City.
Hud sets FMR in Kansas City as $1083 for studio, $1207 for one bed, $1383 for 2 bed $1809 for 3 bed and $2,124 for four bed. However Zumper says a studio in Kansas City is $850, a 1 bed is $1000, a 2 bed is $1250, a 3 bed is $1600 and a four bed is $1800, which means HUD is outpaying the market. Funny huh? Looks like it is much better to work with hud if you get 27% more for a studio, 21% more for a 1 bed, 11% more for a 2 bed, 13% more for a 3 bed, and 18% more for a 4 bed. This is so dumb.
I'm disabled. Looking for a one bedroom section 8 apartment in Kansas City. I have great credit. A 10 lb dog. Excellent rental history. If you have something becoming available let me know.
Just reject them for something else.
I used to clean houses for people who rented, and, people who owned their own homes. Some of them were quite wealthy. Many of them were not tidy, or sanitary. Some of them were ungrateful, mean spirited people. My point is, is that; so many of these comments talk like all people on section 8 are the same; sub- human, even. Those comments are not decent. Sad really.
Why does the American black keep acting like the way they do ?
Well, it is possible they're not well suited to a society based on a monetary system.
@@PonkyKong here there’s not much of an option which begs the question?
@@rudybishop9089 that's right. Either a giant wall. Or send them to a new piece of land to give to them. There are colonies elsewhere waiting for people.
They've been lied to. Educated in horrible public schools mostly
Please tell me it is not Kansas.
"I'm not your momma"
Tony is hilarious!
But you are a mom and pop as defined by your arguments.
That a new legal term ?
Kansas or Missouri???
Nebraska Supreme Court retores voting rights. It is so good. More voters to add to tbe system, voters you don't want.🎉
Noncitizens .
Maybe we should just get people to mail in ballot from other countries
@@georgewagner7787 Wrong, these were voters whose rights were restored by Nebraska, but the government tried to block them.
heeee heeeee heeee, all you rich Libs say hello to my little friends,🥶
You are so wrong regarding courts. You should read this case :In October, the Washington, D.C., attorney general’s office announced the largest civil award in a housing discrimination case in U.S. history. The lawsuit was filed in 2020 against D.C. real estate firms DARO Realty, DARO Management Services, and Infinity Real Estate LLC, which oversaw investing for companies. A judge ruled that DARO would have to pay $10 million to settle a lawsuit brought by holders of Section 8 vouchers, a federally funded payment system that allows low-income people to rent in the private market.
What’s more, DARO had to dissolve its property management business and certain members of leadership who were named as defendants were permanently banned from owning property management businesses in D.C. The company’s president, Carissa Barry, was required to forfeit her real estate licenses for 15 years.
You need to stop reading skewed information
Ditch the ads from Kamalaflation!
Not all section 8 tenants are problems. If you are rejecting a particular potential tenant for their history that is ok. But rejecting section 8 tenants as a class when you get fair market rent, when section 8 and the tenants portion is added is ridiculous. I'm going with KC on this one.
Section 8 tenants do not have a security deposit and any damages to the property the landlord has to pay for.
I've been blessed to not have to deal with a Section 8 as of yet. But I do know of someone who has, and so far the only house she lost was to a Section 8. One day cops entered one of her properties to arrest a guy, who was living there but wasn't listed on the lease, and found a Walter White style lab. After local code inspected and performed tests, they condemned the house and ordered that she have a contractor, licensed to handle hazardous materials, clean up. When I say clean up, I don't mean mop the floor. I mean they were going to replace the drywall, the ceiling, the flooring, the trim, the insulation, fixtures, etc... and it got better after that. Nearly half of the backyard tested positive for contamination, so even the dirt needed to be hauled away and replaced too. And it wasn't just going to be the clean up crew that needed to be licensed, even the trucker hauling everything to the landfill needed to have a hazmat endorsement. Labor is expensive already, but labor specialized in hazardous materials was crushing. The cost to fix was more than the value of the house. That happened around the time I got my first house and was reconditioning it. Her experience scared me into never accepting a Section 8 tenant, ever. To the best of my knowledge, Section 8 severely limits the landlords ability to evict, charge late fees, and otherwise enforce the lease. Here, they limit how much a landlord can charge a tenant for rent. Section 8 will pay up to a certain amount, and the tenant is responsible for the remainder. Problem is, Section 8 caps the remainder based on the square footage of the bedrooms. Doesn't matter if the house is in a crime-ridden slum, or if it's in the Garden of Eden, to them a square foot is a square foot, and the landlord is prohibited from charging more if it exceeds what they have written in their chart. I was in JP court a while back and there was a landlord that was evicting a tenant. In Texas, the landlord needs to give the tenant 3 days notice to vacate, but Section 8 requires 30 days and they need a copy of the notice. The LL did give 30 days notice to the tenant, but Section 8 didn't receive their notice before the 30 days. I thought the judge would adjourn until a later date if HUD needed more time, but instead the judge dismissed the case, and LL had to start over from scratch with a new case. I would agree with you wholeheartedly if Section 8 was nothing more than supplemental income, but there are a lot of strings attached that makes LL ask, if it even worth it?
You’re obviously not a landlord. Decent tenants don’t want to live around section eight tenants. The majority are terrible tenants…not all…but enough to make landlords stay away because you never know until it’s too late.
Poor people on welfare is not a protected civil rights category.
@@vernondavis561 Actually yes they are since Section 8 vouchers are often given to racial minorities, single mothers, elderly, or disabled. Which means blanket blocks of Section 8 are desperate impact housing discrimination. You really need someone to give you some education.
I dont have a dog in this fight. However refusing housing folks could be considered crimes against humanity.. if there isnt any other options they're gonna do it
Umm WW2 was a crime against Humanity.
Protecting your property not so much.
@georgewagner7787 I guess it's the matter of perspective.. in my eyes, Hitler was a necessary evil and the those who say they are jews are the synagogue of satan... so there you go... perspective
Again, this is a us constitutional act of Eminent Domain, since you are compensated. Thus, it is fully constitutional and time to just get used to it. Read the Kelo v New London Supreme Court decision.
Tell me you don't understand Emanate (sic) Domain without telling me you don't understand Eminent Domain. If you can't even spell it correctly, I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue how it really works. Then I read the second sentence, which confirms that you don't understand how it works.
Eminent domain involves private lands taken for public use, Mr. Stevie.... not forcing private owners who are still the owners to accept vouchers while they are still on the hook for damages and poor tenant behavior in a contractual obligation that doesn't directly benefit the public, but only one private party (maybe).
Look on the bright side, though. At least now you know how to correctly spell the concept you don't understand. Maybe take some time to commit that to memory first, then read up on what the laws actually say and what their purpose is.
@@sidwhiting665 Don't be so hard on Steve. He's entertaining.
@sidwhiting665 my phone did an automatic correction, in any event you need to read the Kelo case, it makes it very clear. Too bad you refuse to read it. The US Supreme Court makes it clear the state and cities can use funds Iike Section 8 to establish compensation, which means you are simply wrong.
@@stevengoldstein114 is your phone subsidized?
@@madderscience none of your business.
I find it amazing g that Tony only having 10 rental units claims to have the authority to determine the legal issues. And the lawyers and landlords already know it is a constitutional law. If your rent is paid, then you have no exclusionary power. Under Kelo
He's reporting and asking our opinions in the comments. You are the one who seems to really want to be judge, jury, and ex......er
@madderscience nope just pointing out the law and courts especially the US Supreme Court makes all of your opinions not relevant.
@@stevengoldstein114 opinions you don't like don't just vanish because a court rules the other way. Sec8 is still FEDERALLY OPTIONAL PROGRAM. that has not changed. Even the highest court has a record of flip flopping, for better or worse.
This is the same rerun Tony has done in less than a month. The case will fail.
Who is Tony? Tony Rigatoni?
What a laugh 😃