Whiplash - Break Up clip
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2014
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Andrew Neiman (Miles Teller), een jonge jazzmuzikant, is vastberaden om koste wat kost de beste drummer van zijn elitaire conservatorium te worden.
De briljante muziekdocent Terence Fletcher (J.K. Simmons), die bekend staat om zijn gevreesde, spartaanse lesmethodes, leidt het beste jazz-ensemble van de school. Hij ontdekt de ambitieuze drummer en zorgt ervoor dat Andrew in zijn band terecht komt.
Onder invloed van de tirannieke Fletcher wordt Andrews streven naar perfectie een onoverkomelijke obsessie. Zijn meedogenloze leraar drijft hem tot het uiterste van zijn muzikale en fysieke kunnen, maar ook bijna tot waanzin.
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You have to admire his brutal straightforwardness.......
its much better than hearing some bs like "im just not ready for a relationship, we should just be friends because i care about you" lol
I certainly don't admire him looking down on everyone else. He was annoying throughout the movie.
Jul Dowry he wasnt, if you are talking about the dinner table scene he only acts that way due to everyone being dismissive of his accomplishments, the only person i saw him look down on was himself since he wasnt performing as great as he knew he could be.
Jaysus777Live I'm sorry but whatever the reason, you can't deny that what he did was look down on them.
He also looked down on Nicole and on his co-drummers too, did he not?
Jul Dowry who is them? give examples
Our economic teacher showed us this clip to demonstrate opportunity-costs and trade-off's lmaO
It's true I've also read it. 😎🙌
Dead
what a legend
Bach had 20 children, and was the most influential and prolific musical artist of all time. This dude just isn't talented enough.
@@guineapig55555 But he's willing to put in that extra hardworking and make those sacrifices to reach the same level.
"What the fuck is wrong with you". The way she said it she sounded almost sad for him less than for herself. She was the last string he had besides his dad that connected him to reality and he just broke them both.
simp mentality
Sounded more like she can’t believe how little he thinks of her that he would come to that conclusion
@@MetalMadness_00
What’s to think of her? She’s got no goals or drive and he’s got goals. That’s not a relationship that works
@@GigaChadh976 I can see why you're Giga Chad
@@GigaChadh976 yes but bro you gotta knows everyone takes and needs time for realize what they wanna do . I men's she looked like she was first year student and in real life lot of people I have heard take courses and THEN purse what they like
This scene perfectly showcases how much Fletcher essentially stripped Neiman of his humanity and how chasing your dreams to the extreme can cause you to lose sight. On one hand, you can understand where Neiman is coming from, because if you’re not gonna be with her most of the time, might as well call it quits. But on the other hand, he isn’t doing this for the reason he’s stating, he’s breaking up with her because he’s desperate, at that point insane and is willing to lose all just to be the best, and in a way, even win the approval of a sorry excuse for a human being in Fletcher. Not helped out that he insulted her, told her that she has no ambition, and that his professional life is more important than his personal life. Man this movie is so good, and yet makes me very very very sad.
It’s sad to that he wouldn’t even give her the time of day. Even when he’s great, he still wouldn’t acknowledge her. Even when passing her on the street. It’s very sad, yet powerful all the same.
Too*
Take the whores out of your life and see the difference.
@@SpecialOne1808 bruh
@@NiknAknO yeah?
she did a great job showing her emotions. great acting
+Dapdoi Ardon did I compare them two? Wtf
So much red pill truth in this movie
Dapdoi Ardon Because the scene is focused on Her?
red pill jesus christ dude get some help
Because that sort of acting role is natural to her 😂
About the most brutally honest break-up scene ever.
Marcus King better than lying about his fears.
It's way more brutal to be vague about it and leave people guessing.
Brutal, but very respectful and brave. This is how people should break up 100% of the time.
@@HiddenWen Nothing about it was respectful, just uptight and egoistic. Maybe honest.
@@JohannesMariaRunge Yes, a bit egoistic. But at least he told it like it is instead of beating around the bush.
What’s sad is she actually was probably the one my thing that stopped him from plummeting to madness. He didn’t let any one else’s opinion shape or influence him, except his music teacher who is of course crazy. His quest for greatness was so obsessive he was willing to lose himself for it. When he got into the car accident and still only cared about making it on time, you knew it was ruining him.
@Steffan Bibbs which path?
Priorities.
You see it as ruin.but that's what made him one among the greats.such heights require sacrifices....even to the extent of sacrificing one's own self
@@benjammin5252 "PAIN" you brake me down you build me a believer..... Remember the song..!
To achieve greatness, it requires sacrifices. If your purpose in life is to be mediocre, great. But it’s not fair to call someone obsessive especially if they want to make something of themselves.
Dude literally eliminated one of his best support lines. This girl would've supported him through everything. She was so sweet.
😅
She would’ve made him for than a shell of a person ngl
...maybe... maybe not..
He doesn't need support, He needs to be focused on his goal and that means to the exclusion of everything and everyone else.
😂
"That's exactly my point." Couldn't help but laugh.
Well.. She asked lol
"What the fuck is wrong with you?"
I couldn't help but go "ERM ... you are bright little girl missy" at that point lol
@Ulf ViKings it's not what he was doing that was fucked up it was how he said it, he should've been more sensitive when telling her this as she clearly was expecting some sort of romantic relationship to develop there, he said it in such a pretentious way
Wdym thats an asshole/dickhole move
1:15 Slow down girl. You're rushing. It's not quite my tempo.
+stinkbandit Shut up.
Savage
+stinkbandit hahahaha! roflmao!
She is a worthless,friendless piece of shit... sabotaging his life and crying in front of him like a 9 year old girl
OMFG LMAO!!
When Neiman said "you're not terribly important to me" I audibly gasped. One of the coldest break up lines in a movie for sure.
You deserve more likes.
When he said "No non i'm in touch with humanity", I really felt that
@@ziarboldHe REALLY needed to return some videotapes.
@@Cukito4and also he gotta attend the concert "o Africa brave africa" it was laugh riot
@@bobbyfirmansyah8580He also has to go to Orsos with his friend Paul Allen too.
this guy just summed up a whole love interest arc in most dramas in a couple of minutes. This movie is amazing
Nope. Full stop. His love interest was greatness. And he won.
@@plaidmustacheHe's gonna end up dead or depressed on that route he has chosen with no close friends or family to support him. But he'll definitely be famous I guess.
He was outlining his plan to avoid that arc completely in his life.🤣
I guess he rather bang the drums... yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
+Danjoker well played
At least the drums will always be there.
+Danjoker He wants to bang on the the drum all day!
At least the drums wouldn't mind if I hit it.
+Danjoker *joke drum sound effect*
edit: oh, someone beat me to it T_T
Everyone wants to hear the truth... up until they hear it
That’s exactly his point
Yes
We live in a society
Truth is like poetry, and most people fucking hate poetry
he was an arrogant asshole who thought was nothing wrong with him, its not just about ''truth''
I think he has every right to call off a relationship, but the way he went about it was so condescending and felt like he didn’t value her emotions at all, in his mind she was literally just an obstacle
This scene always makes me cringe. Fletcher corrupted his mind and turned him into a completely selfish prick. That’s why he went about this the way he did. He basically said to her: “It’s all about me and I don’t care about you and you’re not important”.
@@SilhouetteJudas She was already getting in the way of his grind, and he saw fit to put an end to it before it got any uglier. He was honest as fuck about it. Nothing wrong with it. Fletcher was evil, maybe even turned him into a machine as shown in the end of Whiplash. But he wanted to be one of the greats, so he set his mind to something and improved.
@@voli6570 She couldve supported him in his career. But she just jumped to conclusions without considering how she felt. He was an ass
@@wlliamson53 I'm not condoning Andrew's behaviour in this scene, but if one truly yearns and aches to be one of the greats, it's not a "career", but an obsession. It has to become an obsession. That's why there would never be an scenario where the girl would've supported his "career" because it never was one. He already assumed she wouldn't motivate his obsession because the word itself has a negative connotation to it. That's why many of the greats at any craft, remain single until they somewhat reached their goals or position. Because while on their pathway to it, it's about him/her and what they desire.
Ofc he valued her emotions, that’s one of the reasons he wanted a clean break- it really was just better for the both of them
“I want to be ‘one’ of the greats” Amazing line.
This part always caught me because, as someone in the music world, it becomes evident that for many folks, chasing those lofty goals of being “one” of the greats is only going to result in trying to find happiness in being constantly compared and scrutinized. Maybe by some miracle you’ll reach that untouchable, godly status of the true “greats” (usually once you’re dead and gone), but odds are you’ll just be one of many talented musicians who are only as valuable as their hands are intact.
Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s been my experience anyhow.
@@oliviagriffith3626 Yeah speak for yourself. I AM going to be one of the greats at the sport I am pursuing. And NOBODY will make that otherwise.
that line had me in tears because i was in the same situation too. of coz i wasn’t in the music industry but it doesn’t matter. if you want to be one of the “greats” there will be sacrifices
@@mdxndy did you cut off your relationship with your family and friends? How come Messi still has a happy family and friends and still be a greatest footballer of all time?
@@dogma308 Exactly. People who need to reject everything to focus on one thing do it because, if we are being honest, they are broken and reject everything else but that one thing to cope (I am one such person, to be honest). Most people that master a field, master it because they love it and have no big problems (physical, mental, financial) stopping them from pursuing it, not because they are incredibly obsessive.
Shaq (legendary basketball player) was literally known for no training much or watching his diet, but he DOMINATED NBA basketball because of how big and strong he was. I.E he played to his strengths and did not have to sacrifice his whole life.
When drum is life
Brad Bailey when music is life
The whole thing I was thinking through this whole thing is "music isn't fun if it's all you're thinking about, 24/7, and it gets in the way of the ones in your life." So, honestly, I felt like this scene was fucked up.
Can relate
@@kai326 thats loser talk
Yep. When drumming is life.
Reed Richards, dumping Supergirl to work for J Jonah Jameson...
Or Commissioner Gordon now
Mrjlee93 Fuck that
He's name is Jonah Jameson
Congratulations. You win the internet.
Dammit i just made that joke i thought no else made it fuck.
You nailed it man
"It's not binary. You can be decent and gifted at the same time." - Steve Wozniak
Steve who?
The only Steve I remember is Steve Jobs.
@ppm120667 LMAO spotted richard hendriks
@ppm120667 what's Nokia?
@@7cmhg840 yeah what is Nokia?
He was absolutely right though. Saved the girl from a terrible relationship.
@@AlaricTheArcanei don't think thats a good way of looking at it
She wasn't quite his tempo.
UltimatePiccolo was she rushing Or dragging?
Ba DUm Tisch
@@rickysmith923 dragging i would say
What is Tempo
Can you explain me please 🙏
@@rickysmith923 wgat is Tempo
Can you explain me please 🙏
part time drummer, full time Savage
What is so savage about that ???
@@siemniak He told her exactly how he felt. No sugar coating or anything. He put it bluntly and straight to the point. Sounds savage to me.
@@grinderthashiner8265 yeah but I think savagery is if you want to hurt someone or show your superiority. He just wanted to protect her in some way and pursue his life dream. Anyway. Who cares it's just a movie.
@@siemniak Despite him wanting to protect her he still hurt her feelings in the process. His wording also sounded like a little too much. His intonation on certain words and how he worded what he said seemed a little disrespectful even if that's not how he meant it.
@@grinderthashiner8265 It’s called keeping it real.
What would really hurt her feelings is if he kept stringing her along for years and exactly what he said ended up happening. This is short term hurt not long term. She rebounded.
Sometimes you have to quickly rip the bandaid off.
I mean, is he so wrong? He WOULD pursue drumming like he said, she WOULD feel neglected like he said, and he WOULD feel resentful for her neglected feelings like he said. It would've been long, drawn out, and painful. Is a clean break NOT a better solution?
A clean break IS the better solution, in my opinion.
@@tasminhopper6537 your opinion is fact
fuck the drama ! say the truth...... best movie 😄 perfect !
She's gonna ask why isnt she?
She has a point tho.
I used to admire Andrew's position in this scene for his dedication to his drumming, but I now realize how much value there was in the relationships he had but alienated himself from. Even if he became one of the greats, he would have ended up all alone with no one who cared about him, except for his dad. If you become one of the greats but everyone despises you and you're all alone, I think that would suck.
think about that when you actually become great, that would be an experience, wouldn't it?
You fail to understand once you become the greatest you have women throwing themselves at you, you would be far from alone, people would respect you to a degree that you can build deeper more meaningful relationships with other people who are in the same mindset as you, Andrews goals here are far different from popcorn girl so it would of had a hard time working out.
@@Bob_Brown exactly! This why the 1% is the 1%
@@Bob_Brown But it's not only the girl, it's ALL of His relationships. He becomes a vacuum body, no soul, just an instrument for becoming "the best drummer ever", and one doesn't even know if he Will really be that. Even the directors stated that Andrew probably got depressed and passed out of a heroin overdose
@@Bob_Brown being famous and having women constantly doesnt make you not alone
People forget the point of the breakup is to show that Fletcher changed Nieman into someone lonely, antisocial, and emotionless. Too much ambition can be self destructive. You see it all over history and in books, too.
Exactly, I swear nobody in these comments learned anything from this movie
Probably the ambitious isn't meant to direct their energy elsewhere other than their ambition...
@@Icerope-km9lu Experience is the best of teachers. To each its own way of getting there, "too obsessive" should be experienced before we can understand. In racing we always say you have to push beyond the limitations to find them, crashing is sometimes the best way to do just that.
@@Icerope-km9lu it's a relief to see sane people in the comments
Yet you still know who Nikola Tesla is and you're still using devices based on his work. He changed the world. Where would we be if he had decided getting his dick wet was more important? Its a bigger picture thing not everyone gets it. True greatness is worth more than a piece of ass or 2.5 kids and a minivan. He was being real.
If only people could be this honest about dumping someone....naw.
But "it's not you, it's me" is a classic breakup line.
@@finnheisenheim8274 lol
Some people don't take it very well, they might actually attack you or humuliate you, etc.
Ppl are human beings not robots
The Tragedy Of Life that's the problem. People are too emotional.
I love the part where he calls her later and she's already with someone else, it's satisfying.
Its also possible she made it up in order to off him.
@@lucaspoon4202 tbf I think that's what happened
She was WAITING for that desperate call and looking forward to it... Cold blooded revenge!
@@mike12547 Revenge is a dish best served cold! Ive been there, I ended things with my last partner because she was gaslighting, trying to manipulate me , treating me badly all over on the psychological spectrum and in the end she made advances to another guy(something that slipped her tongue). I immediately ended things as soon as I pieced together everything and I was sure about her intentions towards me, she began playing the victim, then verbally attacked me and then again played the victim. She has reached out after a few months from the breakup once through her personal account , and got blocked, and a second time through one of her friends accounts and got blocked again. Learn to stand up your ground towards people if you are in the right. Doesnt matter how you feel, if the facts are different , get rid of the garbage as soon as possible.
I wish that part never happened.
It was antithetical to his character arc.
All these comments about how "savage" he was, how blunt he was, etc. Lets not forget later in the movie(when things didn't quite go as planned)he tried to get back with her.....and got shot down.
You're one of the few (if not only) people that actually brought this up.
@@davidsolimene5367 yeah he ultimately obtained his goal by the end of the film tho
@@davidsolimene5367 I guess the point is Andrew may die of a drug overdose in his 30s but he'll be remembered forever as a talented legend of drumming. He'll be remembered by every future soul who has an interest in drumming and wants to explore its history. He'll be remembered by the hundreds, if not thousands of people who were entranced by his recitals and who will remember them till the day they die. He'll be remembered as one of the best drummers of his time, if not the best, and nothing can ever take those achievements away from him.
Meanwhile that girl he just broke up with will probably stay working at the cinema for a few years before she finishes her generic degree and marries her new boyfriend. Then she'll have a hard time getting a new job and having kids but hey, she's a strong girl and pulls off both... she's a great suburban mom and she even becomes among the top 20% earners in her generic firm with her generic career. And even though her husband is slowly becoming a alcoholic loser she pushes through for her kids so they know what its like to have a dad growing up. And even when they divorce and her kids hate her she finds a new man and marries again, while working hard to keep her kids' love. She's become among the top 2% earners in her generic firm of her generic career now, but she starts to notice her hair greying and her body succumbing against the beginning of the end. She wants to start giving back to her community so she becomes a key figure within it, even appearing in a few newspapers. Fast forward a few years and she's 70, her kids grew up and she's had a pretty happy and fulfilled life. But she won't be remembered like Andrew was, and will remain another one of the billions of souls who passed through life without really understanding how to L.I.V.E.
And this is pretty much her BEST case scenario...
The dinner table scene pretty much highlights this.
@Abeede Ahmed Uh no I did not get the impression he would be remembered at all. Do you realize how many musicians like him exist? How many went through school, got a few gigs, played really well, but couldn't make a career out of it, and faded away into obscurity within a few years. With an OD around the corner. And he'll be replaced immediately by the thousands of equally capable drummers waiting to get their shot, as he was.
Andrew gave up everything for nothing. The end of the movie isn't supposed to be triumph and it definitely doesn't convey a semblance of "wow, look at him, a music legend. he'll surely go down in history. this is his big break"
To me it's clear that he's just dependant on validation. He didn't feel important in the relationship, the only place he feels of value or of worth, and talent, and attention, is when he's playing drums, because he's good. But again, so are thousands if not millions of others, and every 6 months that passes a next generation is getting just as good as the last. But he put all his eggs in one basket, and like so many others in real life who do that, it leaves them with nothing when they burn out. This is why his death of an OD in a decade or less is pretty much destined.
Andrew was a validation starved young male, which is common, fell victim to abuse of a man he saw as role model worthy, took the abuse for the 15 seconds of fame it afforded him, alienating everyone else he used to care about and everyone who could actually help him and provide healthy loving relationships, and when that 15 seconds runs out, he's fxcked.
He was not at all set up to be the next Mozart lmao. You're delusional if you think that's what the movie was about. This isn't rudy or hoosiers.
Andrew was impressionable and he was manipulated easily. Fletcher used Andrew like a tool, to further HIS career. He's the one who's going to be okay, Andrew is the one who, when the dilutions of grandeur have disappeared, he'll realize he's got nothing left and he was just used as a doormat.
This breakup solidifes him as more emotionally dependant on fletcher than his own girlfriend, and if you think that's commendable or impressive, then you might wanna analyze all your relationships over again. It doesn't even matter if they loved each other, but investing in a relationship, any relationship, is how you truly find out what you want in life. He could've steered in a better direction, and ended up with a girl he loved. But this break up only goes to show that he'll never even get the chance. Unless he does a 180 after the movie ends, but assuming a character will fix all their mistakes they made throughout the movie only AFTER the credits have already rolled, even if for the sake of optimism, js just called fanfiction lol.
As for her, sounds like you're speaking from experience, in an unsolicited gross amount of detail there buddy... Projection isn't very insightful. She's at a point where she could literally do anything in life. She's in college, she's into acting, and she's young and ambitious. She could literally end up anywhere doing anything, so why even speculate? She's not the focus of the movie, she's just a person living her own life, passing through our protagonists life briefly, as a beacon of normalcy and a glimpse of a social life outside of band class, before getting pushed out and left to continue further onto her own journey. She seemed to see through a lot of the obvious emotional baggage Andrew has, so given her displayed level of emotional intelligence, I think we can assume she'll be just alright. Unfortunately the same can't be said for Andrew, as he just barrels deeper and deeper down a dark path.
@@abeedeahmed5626 1). Thats assuming Andrew achieves any success. My reply was about how a majority of the comments on this video are MGTOW/red pill oriented, praising this scene while ignoring Andrew's destructive path to success and forgetting that he tried to get her back after he was kicked out of the school. It almost seems like the people who wrote those comments are just projecting their feelings and didn't watch the whole movie and only this clip.
2). What in King Henry's hairy ass are you going on about? Nicole was a minor character only shown in maybe three short scenes, yet you've got her life story all figured out based on what?
A lot of great scenes in this movie but this one truly felt the most down to earth. Just seeing her eyes process all this information is heart breaking
This immediately came back to bite him later on when he called her again and found out she had a new boyfriend. He sacrificed literally everything in his personal life for music. So he became one of the greats at the cost of literally everything and Fletcher will always feel like he won, cause even though Neiman had the last laugh in a way, Fletcher still found his “Charlie Parker”. Whiplash is one of those “the bad guy wins” movies, and although it might be great cinematically speaking, the morality that it showcases is really bone-chilling.
But he wanted to be one of the greats, he still has time to pursue everything else. It's not like he died doing this, this made his life.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was so immature when he made this decision. I say this because I was in the exact spot and made the same decision in my immature days like him by sacrificing everything. I wish I could go back in time and slap me in the fact that it wasn't worth it. I still have a narrow window of opportunity to rebound back from my current state but I wish I had this realization earlier.
bad guys always win
This doesn’t happen in real life. This is female pork basically if reality he’s swarming with bitches
@Hope Clampitt Lmao you’re a broad you would never understand. You are born, because you are a woman. Men are made
This was VERY well acted. WOW!! The facial expressions OMGOSH!!
"That's exactly my point".
It seems a lot of people miss the point there. She made it all about herself, immediately proving his theory correct.
Why not he basically Admit she’s an obstacle to him reaching success why not respond by repeating what he said in her own words
You definitely thought Tyler Durden was right, didn't you?
I agree and I actually think this is foreshadowed in their first date together. She casually mentions that he has a problem with eye contact, he agrees and says that his father says the same thing--and then she immediately starts making it about herself, talking about how much she and her mother hate each other. So this is a bit of a pattern with her. Whether she's aware she's doing it is another question that the film doesn't get around to addressing.
Oh well, I don't recall her trying to make anything about herself.
“She made it all about herself”, but isn't that exactly what he did? Kept on ranting about himself, his interests, his issues, his trajectory and what he plans to do for a razzling 60 seconds straight.
Now that's something you men don't find as “selfish” but I wonder how you'd react if it was a woman dishing things out this way.
Coming clean about your intentions to your partner before it's too late is forever appreciable but how he did it was outrageously relentless, while she was actually trying to be sweet about it.
@@asmitaghorai5668 Pretty sexist for you to lump all men together.
As horrible as this breakup is, it's so refreshing to get a scene like this in a movie about music.
The relationship always drags on until it hits rock bottom so it's nice to see someone break it off clean.... but holy shit! 😄
No, they could have had a good relationship if he wasn’t consumed with his obsession to the point of madness and self-destruction.
@@TheWelchProductions I think in order to be a great artist you have to experience life, breaking up with a potential love is a bad idea, if you want perfect timing and to hit all the notes just right you can program a computer to do that every time and be boring as hell, give me slight imperfections give me passion and feeling over that any day when it comes to music, don't get me wrong he may not have much time for her and he needs to hone his craft but he also can't lose sight of passion, if he does he may as well be a computer. Like most things in life it is about balance.
@@alanscott4846 andrew isnt really gonna become a great artist, hes walking to the same path that Sean Casey did, and im pretty sure you know what happened to Sean
@@shime8083 he exceeded Sean Casey at the end of the movie. he broke through the bullshit veil Fletcher has been masquerading around with , in a Jungian sense he killed the father and became the hero of his own tale.
Women: "why can't men be more honest"
Miles Teller in this scene: say no more....here you go......
mr fantastic and super girl break up Damn
Optimus Prime this made me crack up
Hahahaha great one 😂😂😂🌠🌠🌠🌟🌟 shooting star leaving to the sky like a tiger
DarthChris96 Because of fuckin J Jonah Jameson.
@@darkmyrezs1011 holy shit, same thing happened with me. UA-cam algorithm did its work
For me, the main point of this movie is "Be obsessed or be average."
For me it’s “don’t let your obsession take away your humanity”
@@goku8621 For me it's "Greatness requires sacrifice"
@@animemashups6163 agree
For me the Main point of THIS movie is "DETESTE MEDIOCRITY !!!"
@@animemashups6163 yeah me too
This guy has some balls. He’s breaking up with Supergirl
Supergirl is a left wing feminist so that is no big loss.
@@Gwildor2020 lol
Imagine she pulled homelander on him
He's using that Terrence Fletcher "That's not my tempo, you fucking piece of shit" psychology to get the best out of her so she can reach her potential. By telling her that she's going to stop him being great, that she doesn't know what she wants, that she'll be forgotten, etc, he's spurring her on to do great things. Now she's Supergirl and saving the world.
Nope
Haha. Love it
Hahahahahahah
Lmao 🤣
It's perfectly understandable that you prefer to put your aspirations first and don't feel that you're in the stable place for a relationship but there's always ways to handle it without being callous.
Its best to get it over with like ripping a band aid than string her along and cause more harm in the long run.
"there's always ways to handle it without being callous" Um yeah true, but when you're solely focused on one thing. His thing being drumming, everything else is secondary. Plus it's easy to mistake brutal honesty with being callous. If you're all about be honest or straightforward, I really doubt you would give any fucks about someone's feelings.
Maybe that was his goal to begin with, he wanted her to hate him. Some people will NOT let go if you show even a hint that you still care.
Yeah because if he have chosen nicer words she would have totally taken being dumped ok
Oh fuck you. He was 100% honest, like every woman asks men to be, and you still found a problem with it.
Man this movie was written absolutely brilliant. This scene is a pretty good example for how to write well. This scene is deep while not being edgy and can be interpreted from different persons differently and yet they can still all be right. For One you have the dude. He is being straight forward and honest (which a lot of people can't handle). For him the relationship or a relationship in general is not that important. It is not the most important thing in the world. For him the number one priority is achieving greatness. He wants to be one of the best. That does take a lot of sacrefices. Not everyone is up for that or can even understand that (she is one of those persons). He went ahead and thought about the future and what that will bring them. He knows himself and has thought logically (and almost without emotion) about what is going to happen. He has his goal and wants to get there. For that it will take most of his time and the time he does have and will somewhat spent with her will still have the drums in the back of his mind. For that she will not get the emotional support and the couple lifestyle she wants and deserves. That will reult in stress, conflict and the end hate. It is not that he is emotionless but more that he loves his music and goals way more than her (which some may say as cruel or straight up dumb and a mistake but it really isn't). Therefore he breaks it off and is as straight forward and honest as humanly possible. She on the other hand doesn't share his mindset (which os absolutely fine as well). She doen't strive for greatness. She strives for a fullfilled and happy life. The defintion of that varies from person to person. For him it is greatness. For her it is a stable life with a good job and a loving relationship. She wants to overcome their hurdles together and continue to be by his side. She is a very emotional individual and wants to live her life that way. Therefore however she doesn't see the struggle and the things that are coming towards them. She will not get the emotional support and closeness she needs from him. That is why she will devlop a major dislike for him and it will result in exactly as he explained it to her. She isn't number one and she deserves to be number one. She doesn't understand how someone can want such a alienated goal and put that above love, relationship and closeness. She recents him for being somewhat like a machine and almost sees him like a sociopath. She is right on him treating her like shit and she can't fathom on how he could be to her like that (on which she is absolutely right). In the end both sides are right and wrong at the same time. They do not work well together, both deserve something else and no matter how you see and twist it objectively you can blame both parties as either the victim or the bad guy. Absolutely well written.
A beautifully written and performed scene. Really captures mismanaged ambition. The honesty you can respect to a fault only because it spares the girl pain down the road. But I don’t think his actions are meant to be looked at as admirable. His ambitions have devolved from noble and innocent to vain and self-destructive. And because of that he’s content with erecting walls and cutting himself off from the things and people that ought to matter the most. It’s really a selfish act when you consider he never gave his girlfriend a chance to be supportive. It’s the beginning of tragedy.
My muthafucka.... He's got the balls and the drive to dump a beautiful woman so he can stay dedicated to what he pursues.
#Lifegoals
Yes we fucking get she's super girl
You really don't get the point of the movie, don't you?
SUPER RAD how is pursuing his dream of drumming self destructive?
@@torachan23 because it's not his dream anymore. Fletcher is turning him into a callous asshole who doesn't care about anything or anyone other than drumming. Fletcher has ruined him.
@@ramc157 no you don't!!!
I..
Dude. That scene hit me deep. And it's only a clip.
Jesus...
Dudette Dude scene alone should’ve won an award.
This shit just hits with so much more
Watch the full movie
You will blown away by it 😉
Imma head out and see this masterpiece again
this is basically his way of saying "you don't deserve a person like me who'd always be neglecting and ignoring you, and I don't want to put you through that. *You deserve someone better*"
"WTF is wrong with you?" Is her REEEsponse to it, she didn't care about him, just how he could make her feel about herself.
What he's saying is that when she does see him he treats her like shit because she's just some girl who doesn't know what she wants and he has a path and he's going to be great and she's going to be forgotten, and therefore he won't be able to give her a time of day because he has bigger things to pursue. That's exactly his point.
@@kdr129She loved her and him cutting of her like a dead weight hurt her. There is no right or wrong on both sides
@@kdr129 Uh no? That was in response to how callously he answered her question. It's not just about him dismissing her, she hates how cold/selfish he's become since they first started dating.
I think I actually enjoy Miles Teller's acting just as much as JK Simmons's, despite that being a hell of a difficult act to follow. The way he lays it out to her is quite nervous, and with a bit of a stronger tone, a more rushed delivery than what would feel natural. It perfectly tells the story of a kid who is socially timid but strongly determined, with an obsession and a level of stress that comes with it that he can't quite handle.
It's sad how so many people in the comments don't even understand
Seriously... it only highlights how alienated people have become from reality that they falsely idolize characters in movies who are actually meant to be an example of the detriment of that exact same type of alienation.
TL;DR They all virgins lol.
@@TheWarbeast60 Why is that a laughing matter?
Adam Healy Because he's one. A lot of virgins make fun of virgins to make themselves feel better
@@TheWarbeast60 Not to start a argument but can you please explain why is Virgin a insult people sometimes use these days?
Jago Nexus probably because it’s associated with being “out” into the real world, connecting with people and knowing how it all truly works rather than sitting in your room all day on your phone, not going out and socializing.. therefore, obtaining your “virginity”.
scene is amazing, period.
This thing really happened in my life as I wasn't getting enough time for my practice and all those stuffs and she told me that she wasn't getting enough priority and time for her and she wasn't even trying to understand my dreams and all I had to get rid of her. I didn't do any harm or any sort of that but always kept a distance with her.
Finally the chapter was closed. In life sometimes we have to move on its not because of your fault
Although different circumstances, this is how my ex broke up with me a little over a week ago. I know exactly how this girl feels. I didn't and still don't understand how anyone can be so sure that what he's saying is really going to happen. You can't know the future for sure and predicting that such a thing would happen anyway is on him, not her. She might not know what she wants in her life, but she was sure of him. She probably wanted to be a source of support for him and him saying that she'd be a hindrance instead hurt her more than anything.
What's your ex doing now?
I agree
you just mad
Ofcourse you would feel neglected if he doesn't spend time with you and resent him for it. He might as well break things of as he goes out to pursue his dreams.....
@@questreal5812 for real I want to know
Loved it, honesty may be bitter today, it's sweet after certain time, dishonesty is sweet today but becomes pain in ass for long time
i love that honesty
What if halfway through, he was like “I’m just messing with you.” Lol
He assumed she would be a distraction without even giving her a chance. She might have been understanding and supported him in achieving his dreams. He realizes this later in the movie but by that time it was already too late.
Many comments support his decision. It is interesting how far down this perspective was. There are some ambitious people here; I wonder if they perceive the danger.
@@Alexandersync What danger? Ive been in 2 relationships where the thing dragged and these 2 people proved not to be decent towards me, as I was towards them. I ended up getting hurt and losing my time. Vowed never to get through this again. Better to be alone and successful in what you want ( or at least reach as close as to what you perceive as success) than losing your time with someone who may leave you or be tricking you the whole time.
Ambition is not dangerous being happy comfortable and jolly doesn’t get the human race forward in any way shape or form. It’s extremely fulfilling for people who have those things but we need people who push beyond life’s simple pleasures and be great artists, innovators, scientists , leaders or thought , business tycoons etc. Those people who push humanity forward are generally speaking not happy because it makes you complacent is what I read.
Oh she would've been, he was based and red pilled enough to know the normie games he's seen everyone else play. He like myself, would rather play music than play or be played by people.
I find hilarious that there's a bunch of people applauding him for doing this, yet: 1) they clearly misunderstand not only this scene, but the themes of this movie, as others have pointed out, and; 2) later in the movie he reaches back to her, possibly to try to get back together, but alas, she's moved on.
you do know that you can look at the scene for, wait for it, what it IS outside of the context of the movie, right? For many, this is a good example of a quick and painless breakup scene done by good actors that reflect how they wish their breakups had gone. Not everyone cares about the DeEpEr SuBpLoT of the movie because not everyone has seen the movie.
Wait until they get back together and all that he said becomes a reality.
What happens after marriage everyone knows.
He will be broke as shit and will be divorced soon or will have to hear her nagging whole life.
Honestly, I'm aware of the themes of the movie and the toxic ambition that is presented within Andrew, but I still identify with him. Like, yeah it's not okay, but fuck some people just be wasting their lives. I love this movie but for the opposite reason damien chazelle wants me to
@@raderT90 there are people in the comments that view it outside of the context provided by the plot, but there are also ones that refer to the plot. so you are both right
@@raderT90 its kinda fucked actually, she clearly has insecurties and low self esteem, you can break it off respectfully and clean. Neiman was a total douche bag in this scene. Even outside of the context how is this seen as a good thing?
Just with this thought in mind I searched for this scene. I'm also far away from any relationship since 2018 and the skills that I've worked on is really paying off. But at the end of the day, it really sucks to be alone when you don't got anybody. You feel great for your dedication at one moment and you want to remain alone but then feel depressed for alienating yourself, call it sacrifice, delusional mindset or whatever, it is what it is and I don't have answers, tug of war
It’s good to do early in life. you’ve made the sacrifices necessary to be the person your ambition leads you to be. keep going, as hard as you can. but later in life consider what emotional stability, and support provides as more valuable than fame but when you have the fire in your eye, you go for it.
she took this breakup as motivation and then became the supergirl
Interesting reading the comments. I'd say that if you're in a supportive enriching relationship with somebody, then there isn't a conflict between that and your professional life. Because in the end there are just so many hours you can spend doing anything before you burn out. So taking a chill pill with somebody you enjoy is not only enjoyable, but actually helps you to move forward in your professional life.
This young man has lost his sense of proportion. BUT .. in fairness, if you're having a relationship in which the woman is dragging you down by selfish behaviour then his response is appropriate. Trouble is that the guy is preempting the future by cancelling before anything bad or good can develop.
That's a really long way to just respectfully say that I have too much ambition and you have none.
Too much ambition to the point that he prefers that has no friends, that he looks down on his family, he hates his every competition and that he is showing symptoms of mental disorders. Hmm, I think I don't envy his ambition. If someone like him says that to me, good riddance. I'd rather be with someone who is mentally and emotionally intact - someone who can pursue his goals in a healthy manner.
Jul Dowry *that he has
Jul Dowry are you a women? Cause if you are than I see your butthurt.
Desert Eagle I dont get it. What is wrong about her comment?
Jul Dowry i know this is old but. no one will remember you if you indulge in every day trivialities and dont give everything to your dream, THAT'S THE POINT. all the people who say "empty shell" yada yada, he never wanted to be full shell, movie literally starts with him and his compact disk of people he got inspired from and drum as his dream and soul. people who say fletcher was abusive and bad are literally retarded, he wanted fletcher to show him the way towards his dream. you think fletcher manipulated him for his sick idea of "greatness" but in reality fletcher just made him become what he always wanted to be, wanted so much that he would sacrifice EVERYTHING for it, which he did.
movie isnt about accurate description of jazz either, people in this comment section loved to critique it like it was the main point. it was about dreams and greatness, it was about something more than living your life in mediocricy, actually pushing to your absolute potential and seeing what you are made of, which is incredible.
She did a great job on this scene. Only a few lines but she hit them. Didn’t need to draw out the scene, awesome use of screen time with facial expressions, great editing too.
Subtle detail I love is how different Nicole looks here compared to when Andrew first met her. She's in business wear, well dressed, nice earrings; like she's clearly grown up quite a bit from the "girl behind the counter who doesn't know what she wants" that we were first introduced to. But that's all Andrew will ever see her as (based on a single sentence where she said she hadn't picked a major yet btw) and he makes that painfully apparent with how he breaks up with her.
He's admitting, to her face, exactly how *little* he thinks of her; it's heartbreaking. Nicole gets her first honest look at the person she is dating and all she can rightfully say is "what the fuck is wrong with you???" And while Fletcher holds his share of blame, the truth is Andrew already was this person longgg before Fletcher got his hands on him (just look at the dinner party scene). Fletcher just enabled and exploited the obsessive and toxic aspects of Andrew that were already there.
Pretty one sided of him never to consider that she might just support his future
He obviously didn't think that it would be likely so meh, why take a chance? Save everyone the hassle, she's obviously not the one he wanted...
Exactly. Most comments are saying how brave and honest he is but they miss your point entirely. MGTOW generation...
Even if she supports his future, that’s not a relationship.
It is pretty selfish of him, and that it was wrong for him to "predict" the future, but as a viewer she was soooooooo low on his priority list that the relationship was bad from the start, if that could be called a relationship
hes tryna be one of the greats. Establish glory and Bang any hoe he wants/ pursues any powerful amibitious woman that he wants to freely pursue. A women will only get in the way of pursuing glory because it demands your all. Only entrepreneurs, atheletes, musicians, actors... ect. Will know this. As the great poet - post malone once said " Aint no time for woman on the come up. Its either pussy or the come up."
For some reason, I get the feeling that the situation he describes here actually played out in the script's first draft...
She proved him right before she even left the diner 😂
Anybody can say "I wana be... great", but to say it with the utmost sincerity - to really mean it, is something that only a few dare to do.
I can understand how it is difficult it is to maintain a relationship when music is your number one important thing on your priority list over someone. I have been a musician and a music teacher for almost two decades and its not easy compromising what you do for someone.
1:37 That was the moment I was like "Yoooooooo, what the hell" 😂
These comments really show who has actually wanted something in their life, and who is merely along for the ride.
Brilliant!
I had this convo with my girl when I first heard wow classic was coming in August
wow a man of focus.... commitment...... lol
Lmfao
To be the best ever one must sacrifice everything
Eric yes
NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO
That's Vegeta's philosophy in a nutshell!
Depends what you want to be the best at
dmonarre dmonarre and its the only philosophy that man should fallow, vageta was a damn OG.
Gotta love it!
fantastic scene
isn't he basically explaining the plot of La La land in this scene? am i wrong??
This movie is incredible, I shipped them too hard! (:
Jade Jenner I love you babe, just 'cause what you wrote
Straight to the point
People who aren't on the purpose or don't have a passion for something in their life, will never understand this scene.
That's my problem i don't have passion for anything even not about family or friends
There's plenty of people with passions and dreams, and who have plenty of drive to achieve their goals that are NOT anywhere near like Neiman. And the difference is, most people know how to balance their passions and their relationships at a healthy level. Neiman does not, and thinks the only way of achieving success is by departing himself from everything that makes him human.
Then I feel sad for you, or maybe you have unironically watched too many sigma male grindset videos.
With this small scene, Melissa Benoist became a very recognizable actress to the point that she is The Girl of Steel. Proves her amazing talent. 🙌🏼
To think this was in between Glee and Supergirl.
oh, i was trying to place her..
Are you sure?:///
Stuff like this is fulfilling when you're young, but you get old it becomes depressing. It really is a lose, lose situation. Either follow your dreams and then wish you had that beautiful wife and kids that love you and those friends that are by your side. Or on the flip-side you betray following your dreams and you spend the rest of your life having a loving family, but you h hate your job and always have that nagging what if.
Yea this is exactly my thoughts 🙏🏼. Butttt.... If you're young you can afford to spend time on your purpose and disregard love. Maybe when you're 28-30yo then you can start to go after the family route if you think that's what you want and you haven't made progress on your goals.
Not everyone wants a family or should.
I think one of the leading causes of cynicism in adults is their abandonment of their dreams.
Exactly
@@hookem3768You are right but family is the answer for most people. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they want out of their life. Most of the famous personalities we idolize today sacrificed their personal lives for their careers and a lot of them were miserable for it. There is no correct answer, everyone should do what's right for them.
@@aryanpareek770 Right, not everyone can be as successful as the people we refer to as 'the greats'.
I don't think i agree with you. Is it accurate to say "...many of the people we see as successful suffer for having chosen their dreams?"
There must be examples of that. However, I think you might be overstating their feelings of remorse.
My main reason for commenting was to push back against the "you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't" feeling. If you are rational you'll likely make choices that lead to a happy ending. Now, add passion and conviction to that rationality. I'd have a hard time believing a rational and passionate person would find themselves in their golden years beating themselves up over a choice made or not made.
Wamen are temporary
Jazz is forever.
Y'all need to go back to the basement y'all belong to ASAP💀
@@asmitaghorai5668 Why are you boo'ing? He's right!
Bro has his priorities set straight man too straight
He traded his relationship with her for a relationship with an instructor who abused the heck out of him.
He broke up with her to pursue a potential career (not promised by any means) and failed.
And while he “succeeded” in the end, he lost everything to get to that point.
And people grounded him like his father, brought him back to reality, sensibility. But in the end, he still chose to pursue the toxic relationship with his instructor and strive to make that connection work.
I find that tragic, not admirable.
The thing he needed was balance. When we are not balanced, we become jaded and narrow. He needed people to ground him. But he pushed them away.
Exhibit A
Zach Quiroz well life is all about sacrifices. You give up one thing, time, money, love etc., to focus on another. I agree with your points, but when you’re in the eye of the hurricane and need to make a decision right away, I think we usually tend to go with emotions more than logic (aka your well thought-out argument)
@@elchucapablas It's true. Life is about choices and sacrifices.
And if you did a cost benefit analysis at the beginning of this movie to the end of the movie, I think the results would be indirectly proportional to each other.
We are all free to choose what we want to pursue in life. Does not mean what we pursue is right, or that we are wise in our pursuits.
And some people (like the main character of this movie) don't see the negative repercussions of what he's doing.
@@Bacontats Negative for you. Ultimately you know that if you made the choices he makes, you would regret it. But here's the thing, there isn't one template for life. Some people are born to sacrifice everything for the single minded pursuit of greatness. Other people, like you, want balance. There is no "right" choice. There is simply the choice YOU make.
Luke Williams there is no “template”. You are correct. But we were built for connection. We were built to have fellowship. Our lives work best when we are in healthy environments.
If you choose to go negative, that’s not someone else’s positive. You can argue that some people can put up with crap more so than others. But we were not created for abuse. It kills you.
We are all free to choose what route we take. I just don’t celebrate or encourage people to go down a self-destructive route.
In our lives we will be passionate about alot of stuff
Alot will touch our heart but not all of it will end up great
So we should be wise choosing the better and logical from the worse
We don't have unlimited lifetime eventually many lost there way while trying
“That’s exactly my point”
Haha holy shit why didn’t this man win an oscar
Breakups are one of the most painful experiences anyway but here it is elevated multiple times by the way he broke off and when he had to face the consequences of his actions.
Amazing
Kinda mad respect. No one has the balls to do this in real life, I love it.
I did something like this. Only difference is I became a wimp and regret it a few days later only to crawl back without any luck :)
@@ZenQuestOfficial thats rough jesus
I do
It's not balls. It's foolishness
@@nomen385 nah not really. Just trying to pursue his path without any distractions.
The irony of this scene is when that boy was booted off the band later on. He tried to reconnect with her on the phone. But she actually forgot who he was at first, and now with a new boyfriend, would not give him the time of day. So the complete opposite has happened. Sure, in the end he proved to be a great drummer. But in the face of whom? His mean bandmates? A toxic tutor? And a crowd of stuffy old people? It wouldn't be so much of a pyrrhic victory had he just tried to commit with this girl, rather than to jump to conclusions and wear that pride on his sleeve all alone when he's back home.
He was just honest with her but deep inside he's suffering more that her. You can notice it by the way he's shaking when she left (even he turns away like he wanna stop her). And when he's almost crying finding out she's already taken. He did it right...even he was rude and stupid kid...but he didn't want to hurt her in some ways in the future. He knew the difficulty of his path and his emotional stenght. Not everybody can handle the good job and have a great love togheter.
Watching this over and over again, so I'll never forget what happened to me. You broke my heart even though you knew how much I loved you. You watched me falling in love with you and didn't think twice before turning your back to me. Hard pill to swallow but I'll take it. I will never ever understand.
I mean, yes he's honest. But the way he says "here's what's gonna happen" bothers me A LOT.
“The worst she can say is ‘no’”. Honestly, the worst she can say is yes if in the future you do something to actually give her good cause to storm off like this.
I want this type of dedication in my life.
The interesting thing I realized as I grow up watching this movie almost once a year is that these types of breakups happen not because of an issue with the relationship or with the other side; rather, there is a deep internal struggle and confusion that someone in Neiman's situation cannot pinpoint and resolve, so they desperately try to "change the environment" hoping to find a solution.
After the breakup, however, the issue is still unresolved. Even worse - if the other side was understanding and non-toxic - the break up strips the confused person from the joy and support they previously received in the relationship.
this guy is officially my new hero ...
Why bother getting girls in the first place when you think they will be a bother to you? I don't understand.
Because I want to be great.
And you're not?
I want to be ONE of the greats.
Who’s gonna tell him that the Jazz Age is over and he’s wasting his time?
superb
i miss her so much
Honesty is the best policy.
I can relate to this scene. When I was a senior in High school, I was the captain of the varsity wrestling team and all the weight was on my shoulders. The team had a good reputation of going far into masters or state and my coach was really tough on us. i had to do everything I could to set a good example and develop leadership skills for my teammates. I was also busy with AP classes and I didn’t have time for a social life. I had to break up with my girlfriend at the time because my mind was filled with stress and ambitions that I had no desire to be with someone or hang out with friends. Didn’t go as far as we wanted to, but still paid off in the end.
Thanks for wrote
Wow it was the same for me, except I played volleyball. I feel like once you become obsessed with something, you don’t want to burden others, or have others burden you. Cause all that matters is your obsession and becoming the best, even if that means sacrificing relationships. It’s a dilemma between choosing to chase after your obsession or having relationships
Well suck it both of you
And thats how you become great. Sacrifice everything, everyone. Including yourself. Its the only way. Thats why so few are truly great.
Smooth move! 🔥