excellent video! Thanks for posting. The ability to quickly and easily load different maps adds so much versatility to the 450 MX bikes Yamaha map switch lets you have 2 very different maps right on the handlebars, That is so cool!!!! hit the button and 2 bikes in one!
Yes such a cool feature that lets you change the character of the engine so easily with a smart phone and Yamaha offers the app for free....wish other OEM's would offer this style of tuning.
I'm not to proud to admit - i was Ex Pro back in my day (90's) but this bike is just more than i can handle. Power comes so strong and fast - sadly i'll have to wait until spring to try it
Pro back in the 90's means you understand how to go fast and most likely still go fast today! And yes the 2023/24 YZ450F engine revs so quickly with 2-stroke like snap - very fun and challenging to ride even when dialed back with an EFI map. I think the 23.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition engine with 60 hp at the rear wheel (according to MXA) is super easy to ride and makes 60hp very rideable...have you ridden a 23/24 KTM 450SXF? Would be curious to hear your thoughts
@@mxengineer1 I haven’t - I try not to ride too many bikes because I always end up buying lol. This bike was giving me fits all year - even in set up or trying to get rid of the nervousness. Are you running sag and forks as per Yamaha suggestion or as per the current “normal” set up. I ended up buying a 250f in the mean time while I fry and get this 450 a little more Ver friendly.
@@superjet94 Which 250F did you get? The all new 2024 YZ250F with the same frame as your 23/24 YZ450F? I moved forks around, ran 103~107mm sag, re-valved the suspension (Brad at RideWorx is amazing) and all helped settle the chassis and give me a little more comfort at speed. However for me the overall character of the new YZ450 is quick response to inputs: both the engine and chassis so hang on!
I bought a new 2023 YZ250f as second bike, enjoying it - it just works and doesn't seem to care about set up....gas and rip. I just had my suspension done on my 450. According to suspension tech I've been going the wrong way chasing stability lol. They lengthened my rear shock and want me to run with lower sag numbers and forks higher in the clamps. Apparently they say the 450 likes a lot of weight on the front.....i only got a short ride on it before weather turned. It did make a big difference. WEIRD. But i agree with you - the character of this bike will never be like the old chassis. I can't blame the bike to much as being a 90'd era 2 stroke guy :-) I need to learn to ride it different....i'm work in progress at best lol. @@mxengineer1
I always have a smoker and thumper around and usually my favorite sizes are 300 2-stroke and 350 4-stroke though this new '23 YZ450F is a unique 450F riding experience and has my attention
Love my 2-strokes, have a YZ250 and a KX250 - tuned for desert trail riding. AWESOME. But, I have a WR450F, cannot beat electric start and fuel injection! I'm now experimenting with calming the beast for desert trails. Presently, barely touch the throttle and - WHAM - full power hit at any rpm. It's a bitch on gnarly, technical trails.
That is just a starting point - you can take it to -10 on all the ignition points and perhaps add (or take away) some fuel and see if that tames the beast! I wonder how the all new '24 YZ450FX will be tuned?
Why not start with the WR 450, which comes tamed from the factory? I have an eye on the WR 450 and I can tune it up as I return to off-road riding and my confidence builds...
That is a logical choice! However the 23 WR450 and 23 YZ450FX do not have the all new engine and chassis from the '23 YZ450F....now the '24 YZ450FX should have these updates and perhaps that will be my next Yamaha 450!
@@jetdr No the latest KTM 450XCF but the engines are identical to the KTM 450SXF which I have a lot of seat time on. The KTM 450XCF has the bigger fuel tank (which holds the fuel lower), 18" rear wheel (little more compliant tire), kick stand, o-ring chain, and more off road focused (softer) suspension valving. For some riders the XCF suspension setting works better even on the moto track.
My bike is a2018 yzf built for desert riding some slow n rough my suspension is revalved a really great bike so fast but a bit fast fir thermally rough stuff but I still ride it there still can't find a good used yz450fx so I love this bike anyway its BA.
Suspension is such a key part of enjoying a dirt bike and Yamaha KYB suspension is very good stock and even better when re-valved to a specific rider and terrain. I want to ride a '24 YZ450FX and see what Yamaha did to make it more off road focused.
Love seeing these vids. As a guy that came from a yz450 and switch to a 2 stroke for single track, this 23 makes me want another 450. However I really would like to try out a 350. I’d also be interested in a 24 yz250f. I hear the current yz250f has a ton of power, I’d be curious how it stacks up against a 350 and if there is any advantage to it for ppl who are trying to do moto and single track. 250f I would imagine would be geared lower. Maybe that would be something for you to try one day.
I've done a lot of back to back rides with the 20/21/22 YZ250F models on woods loops and for some reason (I think the somewhat abrupt initial throttle response) the YZ250F never won a lap time comparison. Here is a back to back with a YZ250F and KTM 450SXF (read the description for details).... ua-cam.com/video/uI8GT6MKx0c/v-deo.html Here is a Husky FC350 back to back with a YZ250F... ua-cam.com/video/j-QCGp9U5_U/v-deo.html I am hoping the updated chassis (and perhaps an updated engine) will make the '24 YZ250F an even better bike. I still really like the previous generation KTM/Husky 3350's....just did a ride this week on my '21 KR350.... ua-cam.com/video/O8q4qlHMIRc/v-deo.html So many choices!
@@mxengineer1 I have started using the G2 throttle tamer on 250 4 strokes, it removes the initial abruptness and smooths out the response. All the power is still three, just not that jerky abrupt blast right off idle. Very cheap mod that is easy to reverse if you do not like it.
My "350" map is simply retarding the ignition timing (leave fuel injection alone). I do a step down of the ignition timing starting at -10/2000 rpm, -9/5000 rpm, -8/8000 rpm, -7/10000 rpm. So for example go to 2000 rpm and for each of the throttle % positions (20%/40%/60%/80%) put a -10 in for ignition (you end up with a column of -10). Do the same for 5000rpm with -9 ignition timing, 8000 rpm -8, 10,000 rpm -7. You can go to my UA-cam info page and email mr if you want a screen shot. Let me know how the map works for you!
Go to the page where you can see the Fuel Injection and Ignition grid...at the top of this page the FI/IG tab is highlighted....to the right of the FI/IG tab is the TC tab...tap the TC tab and and it will bring up the traction control slide bar with options of Off/Low/High. LC tab is for launch control. Very cool app Yamaha has provided for free!
You know, I listen to you make this video and I don’t hear one complaint while you’re riding it. In the woods. On a 450 mx bike. On what sounds like stock suspension. Some other channels I’m not gonna name would complain how much power a 450 has and he they can’t control the thing, how they can’t do tight woods riding on it etc. Looks like you handle it just fine.
The '23 YZ450F is a BEAST...but so much FUN to ride!! Yes the engine is fast - but can be dialed back a bit with the tuner. The suspension is moto focused so it will be firm off road but opening up the clickers makes it much more rideable - not perfect but rideable. I like my bikes to have what I call offroad bandwidth - ride them on moto (slow Vet moto for me though my son rides them and is very fast) and capable of woods riding too. The YZ450F is a very capable bike...perhaps if the 2024 YZ450FX gets all of these updates that might be a better choice for me and maybe if they come out with that bike this summer I'll switch to that model. For now I will enjoy spinning the clickers and making maps and riding my 23 YZ450F anywhere!
The YZ450F is a bit more of a beast in the woods - even when with the engine response turned down. A 350 still has less engine inertia so "feels" a bit more agile though the 23 YZ450F is surprisingly agile on the trails. I want to try the '24 YZ450FX which should be all new and have the 23 YZ450F updates along with the wide ratio (low 1st gear and taller 4th/5th gears) along with a more off road focused suspension setting...should be a very fun 450F for the woods and light Vet moto!
I have found that retarding the ignition setting can slow the engine RPM build and makes the bike feel a bit smoother. Adding fuel can have a similar result but sometimes makes the engine feel a bit richer and even stumble a bit. I wanted to try doing just an ignition change for this test and it was a noticeable change to throttle response. I will continue to try different settings to dial in a more refined "350" EFI map. The engine does run a bit hotter with the ignition retarded this much and also seemed to have a little less engine braking. So cool Yamaha offers this free tuning app!
It is getting closer to a 350 feel - still has plenty of power but with a slower engine RPM build. I use the myKTM connectivity unit to dial back my KTM 350SXF to feel more like a 250F!
@@adamrochester1 I just rode my buddy Dave's 22.5 KTM 250SXF Factory Edition with VORTEX ECU and full Yoshimura RS12 Ti exhaust...much more lively response! I still think a 350F is a great overall balance of Power/Weight/Handling in a 4-stroke. I only turn down my KTM 350 for tight woods loops with tricky trails.
@@mxengineer1. Bro I finally found 2 people that have the yz 23 !! Waiting for so long talking to you 2 have come up for sale !!! Riding them in the next day or 2 !! Australia $12500 5 hours on it A dealer ship said they could do a brand new kx 23 450 for $11800 Australia And I found a used kx 450 35 hours new piston new clutch he wants $7400 australia he had the ecu tuned for enduro and a different sprocket .. made it less snappy great for woods ! I asked him to put it back to stock I’m going to ride it the next few days and then compare ! ….. a kx450X has done 5 hours 22 model for $8000 Will let ya know what I chose … I’ll be doing some videos like you also !!!
I focus more on clutch pull effort than hydraulic vs cable. As long as the pull effort is fairly easy I am happy. I do notice that when I ride the 23 YZ450F especially in the woods when I am using the clutch a lot I need to add a few clicks while riding then when it cools down take them back out. I would like to try the hydraulic clutch on the 23 YZ450F but it is not available to buy yet.
Does this yz450 feel more nimble/easier to ride in the woods than your ktm450? Im on the fence between the two at the moment. Currently riding a yz450fx.
I have not done a back to back in the woods on my 23.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition and 23 YZ450F....sounds like a great idea for a ride this week...stay tuned!
If you are looking to soften the throttle response retarding the ignition and adding fuel are (2) ways to accomplish this. Best to try different settings and see what works best for you. I'd start with making the low mid RPM ranges all -3 on ignition and see what you feel. Then go in steps up to the max you can retard the ignition (perhaps -9 on your 2018). See how it works. Then you can do similar climb adding fuel and feel the effects. It will most likely be a combination of retarded ignition and adding a little fuel that will give you a smoother engine response to throttle inputs. If the mid to upper range is OK then just adjust IG/Fuel in the low to mid RPM range.
I don't understand your comment. I never owned a 350, ktm, and only 450 was a 2004. I was making an observation on how good the 450 ran down low without flaming out.
The 23 YZ450F runs surprisingly well at low engine RPM even with the stock map so not cure retarding the ignition effects that much. The comment regarding the 350 is simply dialing back the response and power feel to perhaps be more like a YZ350...if Yamaha made a YZ350 (wish they did!!)
Congratulations on your 2018 YZ450F! That is a STRONG running bike! There are riders that prefer the previous generation YZ450F's chassis and engine. Enjoy your new ride!
You’re the BoB Ross of moto vids … so cool calm and collected…😂
Thanks!
excellent video! Thanks for posting. The ability to quickly and easily load different maps adds so much versatility to the 450 MX bikes Yamaha map switch lets you have 2 very different maps right on the handlebars, That is so cool!!!! hit the button and 2 bikes in one!
Yes such a cool feature that lets you change the character of the engine so easily with a smart phone and Yamaha offers the app for free....wish other OEM's would offer this style of tuning.
I'm not to proud to admit - i was Ex Pro back in my day (90's) but this bike is just more than i can handle. Power comes so strong and fast - sadly i'll have to wait until spring to try it
Pro back in the 90's means you understand how to go fast and most likely still go fast today! And yes the 2023/24 YZ450F engine revs so quickly with 2-stroke like snap - very fun and challenging to ride even when dialed back with an EFI map. I think the 23.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition engine with 60 hp at the rear wheel (according to MXA) is super easy to ride and makes 60hp very rideable...have you ridden a 23/24 KTM 450SXF? Would be curious to hear your thoughts
@@mxengineer1 I haven’t - I try not to ride too many bikes because I always end up buying lol. This bike was giving me fits all year - even in set up or trying to get rid of the nervousness. Are you running sag and forks as per Yamaha suggestion or as per the current “normal” set up. I ended up buying a 250f in the mean time while I fry and get this 450 a little more Ver friendly.
@@superjet94 Which 250F did you get? The all new 2024 YZ250F with the same frame as your 23/24 YZ450F? I moved forks around, ran 103~107mm sag, re-valved the suspension (Brad at RideWorx is amazing) and all helped settle the chassis and give me a little more comfort at speed. However for me the overall character of the new YZ450 is quick response to inputs: both the engine and chassis so hang on!
I bought a new 2023 YZ250f as second bike, enjoying it - it just works and doesn't seem to care about set up....gas and rip. I just had my suspension done on my 450. According to suspension tech I've been going the wrong way chasing stability lol. They lengthened my rear shock and want me to run with lower sag numbers and forks higher in the clamps. Apparently they say the 450 likes a lot of weight on the front.....i only got a short ride on it before weather turned. It did make a big difference. WEIRD. But i agree with you - the character of this bike will never be like the old chassis. I can't blame the bike to much as being a 90'd era 2 stroke guy :-) I need to learn to ride it different....i'm work in progress at best lol. @@mxengineer1
You're really making me want to get a new 4 stroke with these yz450 vids. Maybe one day. Got to keep a 2 stroke in the stable though.
I always have a smoker and thumper around and usually my favorite sizes are 300 2-stroke and 350 4-stroke though this new '23 YZ450F is a unique 450F riding experience and has my attention
Love my 2-strokes, have a YZ250 and a KX250 - tuned for desert trail riding. AWESOME. But, I have a WR450F, cannot beat electric start and fuel injection! I'm now experimenting with calming the beast for desert trails. Presently, barely touch the throttle and - WHAM - full power hit at any rpm. It's a bitch on gnarly, technical trails.
Cool map I gona try it tomorow I too really want a mellower beast in the slow rough rocks mtn ruts in Western az thank you fr map 😊
That is just a starting point - you can take it to -10 on all the ignition points and perhaps add (or take away) some fuel and see if that tames the beast! I wonder how the all new '24 YZ450FX will be tuned?
Did you try it yet? I am going to try it also. I have a 22 YX450FX in Western AZ also. LOL Bullhead city.
The mapping makes a big diffrence, it appeared to be very smooth for a 450 mxer.
The Yamaha Tuner app really can change the character of the YZ450F engine - very cool feature that I wish other OEM's would offer.
Why not start with the WR 450, which comes tamed from the factory? I have an eye on the WR 450 and I can tune it up as I return to off-road riding and my confidence builds...
That is a logical choice! However the 23 WR450 and 23 YZ450FX do not have the all new engine and chassis from the '23 YZ450F....now the '24 YZ450FX should have these updates and perhaps that will be my next Yamaha 450!
@@mxengineer1 Thanks for the heads up!
I used to mess with my maps on my 19450 fx but now i just leave it in the most aggressive map full time. More fun this way i find
Nice to be able to try different maps. I find most riders find a map that works and stick with it.
when does Yamaha release the new models for the upcoming year? I am impatiently waiting for the 24 yz450fx
In the past Yamaha would announce the next model year off road bikes around mid June.
@@mxengineer1 good deal, can't wait. have you ever ridden an ktm 450 xcf-w? it's a more trail specific bike, just looks like it might be fun.
@@jetdr No the latest KTM 450XCF but the engines are identical to the KTM 450SXF which I have a lot of seat time on. The KTM 450XCF has the bigger fuel tank (which holds the fuel lower), 18" rear wheel (little more compliant tire), kick stand, o-ring chain, and more off road focused (softer) suspension valving. For some riders the XCF suspension setting works better even on the moto track.
My bike is a2018 yzf built for desert riding some slow n rough my suspension is revalved a really great bike so fast but a bit fast fir thermally rough stuff but I still ride it there still can't find a good used yz450fx so I love this bike anyway its BA.
Suspension is such a key part of enjoying a dirt bike and Yamaha KYB suspension is very good stock and even better when re-valved to a specific rider and terrain. I want to ride a '24 YZ450FX and see what Yamaha did to make it more off road focused.
Love seeing these vids. As a guy that came from a yz450 and switch to a 2 stroke for single track, this 23 makes me want another 450. However I really would like to try out a 350. I’d also be interested in a 24 yz250f. I hear the current yz250f has a ton of power, I’d be curious how it stacks up against a 350 and if there is any advantage to it for ppl who are trying to do moto and single track. 250f I would imagine would be geared lower. Maybe that would be something for you to try one day.
I've done a lot of back to back rides with the 20/21/22 YZ250F models on woods loops and for some reason (I think the somewhat abrupt initial throttle response) the YZ250F never won a lap time comparison. Here is a back to back with a YZ250F and KTM 450SXF (read the description for details).... ua-cam.com/video/uI8GT6MKx0c/v-deo.html
Here is a Husky FC350 back to back with a YZ250F... ua-cam.com/video/j-QCGp9U5_U/v-deo.html
I am hoping the updated chassis (and perhaps an updated engine) will make the '24 YZ250F an even better bike.
I still really like the previous generation KTM/Husky 3350's....just did a ride this week on my '21 KR350.... ua-cam.com/video/O8q4qlHMIRc/v-deo.html
So many choices!
@@mxengineer1 I have started using the G2 throttle tamer on 250 4 strokes, it removes the initial abruptness and smooths out the response. All the power is still three, just not that jerky abrupt blast right off idle. Very cheap mod that is easy to reverse if you do not like it.
@@RobPafford Easy and low cost tuning tool - thank for the tip👍
power tunner no envia el mapa, aparece error al envia , pero si se onecta con la moto , help pls
You need to make sure your phone/app is connected to your bike - then send the map to the bike.
Can you screenshot it? That was a bit (not at all in sight)!
My "350" map is simply retarding the ignition timing (leave fuel injection alone). I do a step down of the ignition timing starting at -10/2000 rpm, -9/5000 rpm, -8/8000 rpm, -7/10000 rpm. So for example go to 2000 rpm and for each of the throttle % positions (20%/40%/60%/80%) put a -10 in for ignition (you end up with a column of -10). Do the same for 5000rpm with -9 ignition timing, 8000 rpm -8, 10,000 rpm -7. You can go to my UA-cam info page and email mr if you want a screen shot. Let me know how the map works for you!
Where in the app can you adjust the traction control? I'm not seeing it.
Go to the page where you can see the Fuel Injection and Ignition grid...at the top of this page the FI/IG tab is highlighted....to the right of the FI/IG tab is the TC tab...tap the TC tab and and it will bring up the traction control slide bar with options of Off/Low/High. LC tab is for launch control. Very cool app Yamaha has provided for free!
@@mxengineer1 Thanks!!
You know, I listen to you make this video and I don’t hear one complaint while you’re riding it. In the woods. On a 450 mx bike. On what sounds like stock suspension. Some other channels I’m not gonna name would complain how much power a 450 has and he they can’t control the thing, how they can’t do tight woods riding on it etc. Looks like you handle it just fine.
The '23 YZ450F is a BEAST...but so much FUN to ride!! Yes the engine is fast - but can be dialed back a bit with the tuner. The suspension is moto focused so it will be firm off road but opening up the clickers makes it much more rideable - not perfect but rideable. I like my bikes to have what I call offroad bandwidth - ride them on moto (slow Vet moto for me though my son rides them and is very fast) and capable of woods riding too. The YZ450F is a very capable bike...perhaps if the 2024 YZ450FX gets all of these updates that might be a better choice for me and maybe if they come out with that bike this summer I'll switch to that model. For now I will enjoy spinning the clickers and making maps and riding my 23 YZ450F anywhere!
Ripper video. 👍
Makes it a hard choice between the YZ and KTM350SXF. 🤔
The YZ450F is a bit more of a beast in the woods - even when with the engine response turned down. A 350 still has less engine inertia so "feels" a bit more agile though the 23 YZ450F is surprisingly agile on the trails. I want to try the '24 YZ450FX which should be all new and have the 23 YZ450F updates along with the wide ratio (low 1st gear and taller 4th/5th gears) along with a more off road focused suspension setting...should be a very fun 450F for the woods and light Vet moto!
The 450fx will be sweet when they do it
You'd go +10 on the fuel settings to make it friendlier wouldn't you ? i.e super rich ?
I have found that retarding the ignition setting can slow the engine RPM build and makes the bike feel a bit smoother. Adding fuel can have a similar result but sometimes makes the engine feel a bit richer and even stumble a bit. I wanted to try doing just an ignition change for this test and it was a noticeable change to throttle response. I will continue to try different settings to dial in a more refined "350" EFI map. The engine does run a bit hotter with the ignition retarded this much and also seemed to have a little less engine braking. So cool Yamaha offers this free tuning app!
Looks allot tammer to me and more rideable arms are not ripping off
your riding it instead of it riding you
Is this close to the ktm 350 bro ?
It is getting closer to a 350 feel - still has plenty of power but with a slower engine RPM build. I use the myKTM connectivity unit to dial back my KTM 350SXF to feel more like a 250F!
@@mxengineer1 so really you want a 250f that’s got ecu vortex and all the rest to make it go quicker …. With race fuel only ⛽️ So 300 4 stroke haha
@@adamrochester1 I just rode my buddy Dave's 22.5 KTM 250SXF Factory Edition with VORTEX ECU and full Yoshimura RS12 Ti exhaust...much more lively response! I still think a 350F is a great overall balance of Power/Weight/Handling in a 4-stroke. I only turn down my KTM 350 for tight woods loops with tricky trails.
@@mxengineer1. Bro I finally found 2 people that have the yz 23 !! Waiting for so long talking to you
2 have come up for sale !!! Riding them in the next day or 2 !! Australia $12500 5 hours on it
A dealer ship said they could do a brand new kx 23 450 for $11800 Australia
And
I found a used kx 450 35 hours new piston new clutch he wants $7400 australia he had the ecu tuned for enduro and a different sprocket .. made it less snappy great for woods ! I asked him to put it back to stock I’m going to ride it the next few days and then compare ! ….. a kx450X has done 5 hours 22 model for $8000
Will let ya know what I chose … I’ll be doing some videos like you also !!!
@@adamrochester1 Sounds like you will get to experience all the cool bikes first hand - let me know your findings!
Do you like the ktm/husky hydrualic clutch better than the yamaha clutch?
I focus more on clutch pull effort than hydraulic vs cable. As long as the pull effort is fairly easy I am happy. I do notice that when I ride the 23 YZ450F especially in the woods when I am using the clutch a lot I need to add a few clicks while riding then when it cools down take them back out. I would like to try the hydraulic clutch on the 23 YZ450F but it is not available to buy yet.
Can u take a pick of the map to make it a 350 thanks
I show it on the opening page of the video...you can also email me using the Info tab on my UA-cam home page
Does this yz450 feel more nimble/easier to ride in the woods than your ktm450? Im on the fence between the two at the moment. Currently riding a yz450fx.
I have not done a back to back in the woods on my 23.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition and 23 YZ450F....sounds like a great idea for a ride this week...stay tuned!
My 2018 … ignition on goes -9….. any suggestions?
If you are looking to soften the throttle response retarding the ignition and adding fuel are (2) ways to accomplish this. Best to try different settings and see what works best for you. I'd start with making the low mid RPM ranges all -3 on ignition and see what you feel. Then go in steps up to the max you can retard the ignition (perhaps -9 on your 2018). See how it works. Then you can do similar climb adding fuel and feel the effects. It will most likely be a combination of retarded ignition and adding a little fuel that will give you a smoother engine response to throttle inputs. If the mid to upper range is OK then just adjust IG/Fuel in the low to mid RPM range.
@@mxengineer1 well said 😮💨
sounds like retarding the timing really makes it resistant to flame out way down low in a tall gear.
I don't understand your comment. I never owned a 350, ktm, and only 450 was a 2004. I was making an observation on how good the 450 ran down low without flaming out.
The 23 YZ450F runs surprisingly well at low engine RPM even with the stock map so not cure retarding the ignition effects that much. The comment regarding the 350 is simply dialing back the response and power feel to perhaps be more like a YZ350...if Yamaha made a YZ350 (wish they did!!)
@@mxengineer1 10/4 I was replay to someone else.
I just bought a 2018 🦾
Congratulations on your 2018 YZ450F! That is a STRONG running bike! There are riders that prefer the previous generation YZ450F's chassis and engine. Enjoy your new ride!
Get a recluse,!!
Yes Rekluse auto clutch is very helpful and more money than making an EFI map with a free app!