@@sulemanzafar_ you cannot index off of the forefinger for below center cue ball with a wrist cocked forward. The pendulum arch will shorten up on the back stroke when the transition to forward occurs, then you will swing the hinge outward toward the outside of your shoulder, the butt end will come up and out, your tip will go down and left. Ronnie is indicating on his middle and ring finger, this is still not ideal, but he has it figured out to be efficient, which means he has to take it the butt and back and slightly out, and when he starts the transition forward this is where you really has to make sure the index finger is completely out of the equation because as it stands, he's running out of stroke distance, so there is a mechanical timing that is long as he twists his wrist a few degrees clockwise, then this rests the cube back toward his ring finger and produces a down and slightly in trajectory with the butt end and stabilizes the front end as the stick goes forward and holds the trajectory and pierces the bullseye for that brief moment and that's what the cue ball recognizes, because for just that brief moment, the stick made contact from a three-dimensional angle of attack, cueball gone, and the stick no longer online. Ronnie is very outside-in like most players, because to line up with the bottom of the pendulum and stick down the shot line and bridge "V" is difficult, perhaps steve davis who's most consistently set up in that fashion, that's why he tended to remain dead still with just an arm motion and nothing else, but Ronnie to produce the proper offsets for all the various shots, has a lot of moving parts, and a lot of timing, but this allows him to look at a shot comfortably and just move on in because the eyes lead and then the body follows is not a good recipe for alignment, there must always be something of an offset, and if you are right handed and left eye dominant or vice versa, if you try to truly set up down the line where are your stroke hand pendulum is perfectly down the line of your bridge fee when you swing the stick in conjunction with your eyes level and truly shooting at what you see so if you are lined up perfectly for a straight in, the visual looks straight and your delivery from a 3-point calibration being your elbow and your grip hand and your bridge fee all perfectly down the line, then you could grip that Q anyway you want and you virtually can't miss, this is what's called the Golden alignment. It is extremely elusive. Even a little bit of tension somewhere in your back or shoulder, can throw it off and I remember spending 72 hours once non-stop basically trying to find it and a few times I did but I found it was very momentary because even your perception of how you're viewing the shot can all of a sudden just throw you out of that perfect alignment. Its too difficult, moving offsets are a lot more productive because of the various positions that you will find yourself when playing, that it's easier to be functional if you know how your Gizmo works but there are parameters and that index finger especially for below center is your worst enemy. You can see Ronnie's index little knuckle pointed out and away slightly, Alex Higgins you would often see his index finger is completely off the queue and pointed down to the ground. You also find if you do keep it in the equation that you will be dropping your elbow to be able to continue the forward delivery but when you drop the elbow and the butt end goes down and the tip rises and you'll never be able to just set the tip below center closer to cue ball and take the stick back and deliver it into the bullseye unless you set the tip a few inches behind the cue ball and down on the cloth but now you're changing your pivot points of your elbow grip hand and bridge the height. You will have to set your bridge shoulder higher and be more upright like a billiard player and you will not look like a Snooker player. John Higgins may in fact be indicating more than the average player off of his index but take note how short his backstroke is and I've never seen him power draw a straight in all the way back from the D. If he does, I never seen it, but I bet my life that he changes some of the configuration in that grip hand. Ronnie like Trump is wedge arcing the cue, I don't think he's doing it off with his chin but he is guiding it vertically off his chin and pulling up on his chest because I know dead weight of the cue itself made out of Ash maple is not going to bend like that, so just keep at it and if you want to imitate Ronnie then go ahead but I would say you're better off imitating Trump or better yet, Steve Davis I guess, or just invent your own style but you'll find overtime, there is a parameter of techniques that are allowable within the window of alignment and that's why most players at the top and professional ranks and good club players in general, basically look the same but the ones who are more fluid and longer are the ones who have better alignment and Ronnie is not one of them but I know for a fact that his alignment awareness is extremely high level and if he needs to ever get in the golden alignment, he knows how to because I've seen it, but to be efficient he puts oftentimes a vertical double wave on the stroke where he takes it back and down and up and down again forward, because he is resetting the hinge point in relation to the elbow, also the more over a person is on the stick where it looks more like they are stroking the stick from underneath themselves like that one player they call the Cadillac of stroke, the more straight and low they tend to be able to execute, because of the table configuration being the rail height, and the three key points of delivery and being able to visually see it down the line, makes going low and straight and fluid down the line very difficult, and that Cadillac guy seems to do it better than everybody else and he gets over the cue very nicely and believe it or not most players who are of that girth seem to get in the more I deal alignment oftentimes, so next time when you get down on a shot pretend that you have a bunch of girth around you and therefore you have to hold the stick farther away from you with the grip hand and come into your shot and you'll notice something very interesting when you get down on the cue ball.
@@schultecoach155 is he a student of yours? If not, then overthinking is better than not, thats why we practice. If we never touched the stick ever again with the index finger, you know a world beater player could be created easily vs slightly touching, loose and all these ambiguous terminologies. Then when a person does eliminate the index finger from the equation completely and doesn't find success right away or progressively, now what? Obviously there are other factors, a multitude of them. Some im sure he's not aware of. You are expressing something as if everything else is well in order for the anonymous individual. Then all it takes is that one shot where he's really riding the index finger and happens to nail the bullseye and it feels so good, he is going to call both of us idiots and marry that index finger to stick and chase his tail for a eternity. .....or start thinking, maybe now he better start overthinking real hard, because a avalanche of conflicting data is going to be piling up and none of it can be ignored.
Thanks for the slow-mo's - quite a 'scoopy' action, and a long follow-through, hand right up the chestbone! Neither of which you'd necessarily want to emulate, as a beginner?
Ronnie has perfect timing so it kind of makes up for his unorthodox mechanics. Neil Robertson, ding and many other players are much more technically textbook than ronnie but his timing is what makes his stroke so potent
No, I think it's the reflection of the cue give you an illusion the cue is bend. You can't get a nice smooth cueing if you press your cue down to a point that it bend and strike the ball at the same time.
Although Ronnie did state in an interview that he likes the ash of his cue to be quite whippy so perhaps he had the shaft made to be quite flexible because many players do like to whip the ball in with side spin so it would make sense
@@lokyinphotography yeah, i made this mistake in practice thinking i could get more power. but its better to play fairly loose on contacts including the chin and chest (if your style includes them)
Why does his cue seem to move upwards after contact with cure ball? John Higgins cue action, we don't see any such movement... anyone share your thoughts...
@@combat246 the clip ronnie as 14 years old, he doesnt drop his elbow. Is that something hes changed over the years. Im assuming hes changed his cue action many times over the years
Amazing collection!!
Perfect angles. Well done!
What's the position of his index finger, is it on the cue tight, wrapped or just restin on it? I am tryin to mimic his grip.. 😄
@@sulemanzafar_ don't overthink. Just make sure index finger is nice and loose during cue delivery (not to loose).
@@sulemanzafar_ you cannot index off of the forefinger for below center cue ball with a wrist cocked forward. The pendulum arch will shorten up on the back stroke when the transition to forward occurs, then you will swing the hinge outward toward the outside of your shoulder, the butt end will come up and out, your tip will go down and left.
Ronnie is indicating on his middle and ring finger, this is still not ideal, but he has it figured out to be efficient, which means he has to take it the butt and back and slightly out, and when he starts the transition forward this is where you really has to make sure the index finger is completely out of the equation because as it stands, he's running out of stroke distance, so there is a mechanical timing that is long as he twists his wrist a few degrees clockwise, then this rests the cube back toward his ring finger and produces a down and slightly in trajectory with the butt end and stabilizes the front end as the stick goes forward and holds the trajectory and pierces the bullseye for that brief moment and that's what the cue ball recognizes, because for just that brief moment, the stick made contact from a three-dimensional angle of attack, cueball gone, and the stick no longer online.
Ronnie is very outside-in like most players, because to line up with the bottom of the pendulum and stick down the shot line and bridge "V" is difficult, perhaps steve davis who's most consistently set up in that fashion, that's why he tended to remain dead still with just an arm motion and nothing else, but Ronnie to produce the proper offsets for all the various shots, has a lot of moving parts, and a lot of timing, but this allows him to look at a shot comfortably and just move on in because the eyes lead and then the body follows is not a good recipe for alignment, there must always be something of an offset, and if you are right handed and left eye dominant or vice versa, if you try to truly set up down the line where are your stroke hand pendulum is perfectly down the line of your bridge fee when you swing the stick in conjunction with your eyes level and truly shooting at what you see so if you are lined up perfectly for a straight in, the visual looks straight and your delivery from a 3-point calibration being your elbow and your grip hand and your bridge fee all perfectly down the line, then you could grip that Q anyway you want and you virtually can't miss, this is what's called the Golden alignment.
It is extremely elusive.
Even a little bit of tension somewhere in your back or shoulder, can throw it off and I remember spending 72 hours once non-stop basically trying to find it and a few times I did but I found it was very momentary because even your perception of how you're viewing the shot can all of a sudden just throw you out of that perfect alignment.
Its too difficult, moving offsets are a lot more productive because of the various positions that you will find yourself when playing, that it's easier to be functional if you know how your Gizmo works but there are parameters and that index finger especially for below center is your worst enemy.
You can see Ronnie's index little knuckle pointed out and away slightly, Alex Higgins you would often see his index finger is completely off the queue and pointed down to the ground.
You also find if you do keep it in the equation that you will be dropping your elbow to be able to continue the forward delivery but when you drop the elbow and the butt end goes down and the tip rises and you'll never be able to just set the tip below center closer to cue ball and take the stick back and deliver it into the bullseye unless you set the tip a few inches behind the cue ball and down on the cloth but now you're changing your pivot points of your elbow grip hand and bridge the height.
You will have to set your bridge shoulder higher and be more upright like a billiard player and you will not look like a Snooker player.
John Higgins may in fact be indicating more than the average player off of his index but take note how short his backstroke is and I've never seen him power draw a straight in all the way back from the D.
If he does, I never seen it, but I bet my life that he changes some of the configuration in that grip hand.
Ronnie like Trump is wedge arcing the cue, I don't think he's doing it off with his chin but he is guiding it vertically off his chin and pulling up on his chest because I know dead weight of the cue itself made out of Ash maple is not going to bend like that, so just keep at it and if you want to imitate Ronnie then go ahead but I would say you're better off imitating Trump or better yet, Steve Davis I guess, or just invent your own style but you'll find overtime, there is a parameter of techniques that are allowable within the window of alignment and that's why most players at the top and professional ranks and good club players in general, basically look the same but the ones who are more fluid and longer are the ones who have better alignment and Ronnie is not one of them but I know for a fact that his alignment awareness is extremely high level and if he needs to ever get in the golden alignment, he knows how to because I've seen it, but to be efficient he puts oftentimes a vertical double wave on the stroke where he takes it back and down and up and down again forward, because he is resetting the hinge point in relation to the elbow, also the more over a person is on the stick where it looks more like they are stroking the stick from underneath themselves like that one player they call the Cadillac of stroke, the more straight and low they tend to be able to execute, because of the table configuration being the rail height, and the three key points of delivery and being able to visually see it down the line, makes going low and straight and fluid down the line very difficult, and that Cadillac guy seems to do it better than everybody else and he gets over the cue very nicely and believe it or not most players who are of that girth seem to get in the more I deal alignment oftentimes, so next time when you get down on a shot pretend that you have a bunch of girth around you and therefore you have to hold the stick farther away from you with the grip hand and come into your shot and you'll notice something very interesting when you get down on the cue ball.
@@schultecoach155 is he a student of yours? If not, then overthinking is better than not, thats why we practice.
If we never touched the stick ever again with the index finger, you know a world beater player could be created easily vs slightly touching, loose and all these ambiguous terminologies.
Then when a person does eliminate the index finger from the equation completely and doesn't find success right away or progressively, now what? Obviously there are other factors, a multitude of them. Some im sure he's not aware of.
You are expressing something as if everything else is well in order for the anonymous individual.
Then all it takes is that one shot where he's really riding the index finger and happens to nail the bullseye and it feels so good, he is going to call both of us idiots and marry that index finger to stick and chase his tail for a eternity.
.....or start thinking, maybe now he better start overthinking real hard, because a avalanche of conflicting data is going to be piling up and none of it can be ignored.
Thanks for the slow-mo's - quite a 'scoopy' action, and a long follow-through, hand right up the chestbone! Neither of which you'd necessarily want to emulate, as a beginner?
Ronnie has perfect timing so it kind of makes up for his unorthodox mechanics. Neil Robertson, ding and many other players are much more technically textbook than ronnie but his timing is what makes his stroke so potent
It seems that the snooker cue is pressed to bend during backswing，is it true？
No, I think it's the reflection of the cue give you an illusion the cue is bend.
You can't get a nice smooth cueing if you press your cue down to a point that it bend and strike the ball at the same time.
Although Ronnie did state in an interview that he likes the ash of his cue to be quite whippy so perhaps he had the shaft made to be quite flexible because many players do like to whip the ball in with side spin so it would make sense
@@lokyinphotography yeah, i made this mistake in practice thinking i could get more power. but its better to play fairly loose on contacts including the chin and chest (if your style includes them)
In the slo-mo at 00:15 it's distinctly curved from pressure against chin, and pops up during the forward motion
Interesting, he does not hold with index and thumb as our instructor taught us, looks like middle two fingers are prominent.
each player has their own way. I recon just stick to your own way unless 9 out of 10 people say its wrong.
Almost looks like he a scoops with the cue
Why does his cue seem to move upwards after contact with cure ball?
John Higgins cue action, we don't see any such movement... anyone share your thoughts...
He drops the elbow on the follow through which naturally brings the cue tip upwards. Higgins doesn't drop the elbow.
@@combat246 the clip ronnie as 14 years old, he doesnt drop his elbow. Is that something hes changed over the years. Im assuming hes changed his cue action many times over the years
Natural taper of the cue. It gets thicker so naturally will move up .
very loose grip in 14-year old