I have Formula suspension on my Forbidden Druid. Can't say enough good things about the Formula suspension. Crazy easy to swap out the valves on both the fork and shock.
All the bikes are best in class, designed for this style of riding and ridden by people with amazing skill and ability. The bike you are most comfortable on and in control of is on balance as good or better than the shiny new featured one. If this is evidence of anything it’s that having the most recently designed bike is not necessary to win?
I recently sold my 21 patrol on coil. Epic bike but 27.5 isn’t for me anymore I know new one is mullet but I’ve just purchased pivot firebird so that makes up for it ha
Must agree. I was lucky enough to find only one suitable bike for me in my country which is my fresh new Mondraker Superfoxy (lol, never thought i would have so expensive bike and so nice bike). I am really enjoying it. Even in that "race" design in white/blue/orange, yet i am not that extrovert (but i've decided to ride again after years and having some proper bike, just colors don't ride :)). Spanish did a great job on that bike design overall!
High pivot has been around a long time in DH. It's not a fad it just needed enduro bikes to go single ring and a couple of boutique companies to push it out there for enduro.
They've been seen before, decent chance they are a bit of a fad like plus size tires. Seems they're great for really high speed stuff like dh, but for your average rider it isn't there. Slow speed stuff can feel kinda weird. So it'll have its specific category that it's good in but it won't take over the industry. That's assuming the average rider wants more of a trail bike that's kind of a jack of all trades.
@@dylan-5287 obviously the right tool for the job. There are all sorts of platforms to suit the type of riding you do but saying high pivot is a fad is the same as saying VPP , single pivot etc are fads. High pivot is here to stay in the enduro market and we will see many versions of it over the next few years
Darn it, I've become a nerd.. The Strive L/XL can easily become 160mm rear by just removing the 5mm spacer in the rear shock, making it a 230x65mm. Moir is actually running his Strive 160mm rear and 180mm front usually, and even ran a 190mm front in La Thuile - both forks with a 15mm spacer. This should maybe point to what a new Strive could look like?
4:32 , anyone knows where to source that nice "lower headset cup spacer under head tube"? (to slacken HA and raise slightly the BB). I know Reverse Components do this type of 'angle spacer' but theirs is an ugly/skinny design because it makes the headtube look like with a gap on top of the fork's crown race. Cheers
I was wondering the same thing and looking at it a lil bit longer, I wonder if you could find something like that at a sanitary installations shop. Basically, it's just some small pipe
@@markowen2293 it's not just a pipe,.. it's the replacement CROWN RACE, just taller, and it should be precisely engineered and machined to fit tight on the steerer tube and this is where the angled lower bearing (most common is 45deg) will sit and take the preload (together with the upper headset) so that there is no play on the steerer tube. Check out Reverse Components' website for more details. Unfortunately their design is skinny and doesn't look good on modern fat headtubes. Functionality wise I think RC's 0.5 deg Angle Spacer is good, I just don't like the looks.
Hi I have been riding trails and jumps on my hardtail for the past 3 years and am looking at getting a used full suspension mtb that’s in tip top condition except my friends are telling me to get a better hardtail instead of a full suspension because they say I’m not ready for one. Should I get a full suspension mtb or a good hardtail? Do you gain more confidence on a full suspension mtb?
I say 3 years of riding a hardtail is enough driving experience for you to get a full suspension bike. The good thing about hardtails is that they teach you to pick good lines with fewer bumps and are excellent to learn on. Once you've learnt to ride on a hardtail, you'll find your limits expanded with a full suspension bike. You'll be able to take gnarlier lines and bigger jumps without worrying too much about the landing or a fall. Some say that they prefer hardtails for the more "analog" and "old-school" riding experience, but I'd rather have a full suspension any day. My joints thank me for that, as there's less vibration and impacts going into your body.
Your friends just don't want you to get a full susp bike, because it makes them staying behind. Get one any time, you will not regret. I started mbt on a full susp, I see no point of having to start on a ht for some special reason. Just buy the best bike you can affort.
@@Jack-mg6ln you will find yourself gaining confidence doing rougher and steeper downhills. The better the bike, the easier it gets to do gnarly stuff. I live in a mountain aerea here in spain, and on a HT I could not do a lot of the stuff we do. Maybe uphill would be easier, but down would be suicidal. I would only have a HT if there were no bigger hills than 250m elevation. B.regards
The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.
What do you guys at gmbn think of this titanium righty fork that uses a rear shock as the damper? Would love to see Doddy react to this. ua-cam.com/video/slG8jz6UXZ0/v-deo.html
Parts of the video are not up-to-date really, the new Orbea Rallon shown in camouflage in the vid has been presented already on Thursday last week.....😂😎
Engineering chases improvements and most of it is done mathematically. A 2% increase or decrease in one specific part of the bike performance is considered a large improvement. We haven’t hit the point where the bike matters more than the skill when comparing only new bikes.
I don t like the look of high pivot bikes at all. That long chain going along the rear end looks ugly. Makes the bike look like machinery. Also more weight.
High pivot bikes are also bit of a pain in arse. The chain and idler attract so much filth after like a mile. My friend got forbidden nice looking bike but he regrets it 😂
Is it me or does those prototype bikes with the camo look awesome!!!
I love the paint job of the canyons!
Joe Smo: "make it slacker!!!!!!"
Martin Mayes (EWS badass): "Too slack!!"
High pivot and high pivot and more, but winner yeti sb150 and richie rude. 😁
I have Formula suspension on my Forbidden Druid. Can't say enough good things about the Formula suspension. Crazy easy to swap out the valves on both the fork and shock.
Love the Tec videos, when ur in the right mood this is awesome
Great video Neil, EWS is the biggest MTB lab, cheers
love it works great. just the right size
All the bikes are best in class, designed for this style of riding and ridden by people with amazing skill and ability. The bike you are most comfortable on and in control of is on balance as good or better than the shiny new featured one. If this is evidence of anything it’s that having the most recently designed bike is not necessary to win?
Winning is for losers ;)
Just purchased a Transition Patrol. Love it
I rode the v1 patrol quite a bit, before they even put them OnCoil. how do you like the mullet setup?
@@mtvkelby1377 I really like it. Fun, nimble, and slack. But I’m coming from a 26er soo
I recently sold my 21 patrol on coil. Epic bike but 27.5 isn’t for me anymore I know new one is mullet but I’ve just purchased pivot firebird so that makes up for it ha
I like the look of the new Pivot Firebird!
I was educated as a graphic designer years ago. I lived in Madrid for ten years. The Spanish are vastly underrated for their design and aesthetic.
Must agree. I was lucky enough to find only one suitable bike for me in my country which is my fresh new Mondraker Superfoxy (lol, never thought i would have so expensive bike and so nice bike). I am really enjoying it. Even in that "race" design in white/blue/orange, yet i am not that extrovert (but i've decided to ride again after years and having some proper bike, just colors don't ride :)). Spanish did a great job on that bike design overall!
too bad you missed the new PIVOT Firebird. especially considering team Pivot's place in the overall.
Yeah, I scrolled down to the comments to say exactly this!
Orbea heard specialized wasn’t suing anymore
Neil......doooood , you gotta take that band on the road with you .....thanks . Peace
On the high pivot frames with the idle wheel, the chain looks longer than normal? Are the chains specifically made and not standard length
Have to use two chains and join em
Some require 2 chains combined like the Forbidden, some use 1 chain (all 126 links) like the Norco Range, GT, and Canondale
@@mtbmike9866 thanks
Depends on size for the forbidden. Large and up require a few extra links so you have to buy two.
It is not that much longer really
Pivot firebird for me 🔥
Is the orange at 5:02 running a Shimano derailleur with an Sram X01 shifter?
You can do that.
Katy Winton also on the new Giga!
The Nerds paint on that dreadnought is sweet... the reason I dont own one is that the colour scheme is not available at the moment :/
Just love the Forbidden Dreadnaught. I'd buy one but I worry that a high pivot will be seen as a fad in a few years time
High pivot has been around a long time in DH. It's not a fad it just needed enduro bikes to go single ring and a couple of boutique companies to push it out there for enduro.
They've been seen before, decent chance they are a bit of a fad like plus size tires. Seems they're great for really high speed stuff like dh, but for your average rider it isn't there. Slow speed stuff can feel kinda weird. So it'll have its specific category that it's good in but it won't take over the industry. That's assuming the average rider wants more of a trail bike that's kind of a jack of all trades.
@@dylan-5287 obviously the right tool for the job. There are all sorts of platforms to suit the type of riding you do but saying high pivot is a fad is the same as saying VPP , single pivot etc are fads.
High pivot is here to stay in the enduro market and we will see many versions of it over the next few years
Great Bikes 👌👌👌
Don't see my enduro expert! She is a killer bike 💯🔥
Orbea rallon the best!!
Richie Rude is on Yeti that is a few years old as well. But no review? Why? Guess he will console himself with the recent victories.
@Neildonoghue are you going to Sea Otter next month in the US?
We now need Enduro time trial bike... can someone make one!
Great bikes, not sure about those sunnies though bro!😆
7:09 no matter how far high tech goes... you'll always need a tape.
Damn Neil on GMBN tech sheesh
Darn it, I've become a nerd.. The Strive L/XL can easily become 160mm rear by just removing the 5mm spacer in the rear shock, making it a 230x65mm. Moir is actually running his Strive 160mm rear and 180mm front usually, and even ran a 190mm front in La Thuile - both forks with a 15mm spacer. This should maybe point to what a new Strive could look like?
Same thing can be said for the spectral 29. You can also run it with ful 230x65mm setting. I do. Then it has cca 162mm in rear
@@joeblack4026 how has this extra travel performed long-term? Any damage to the frame or notable increase/decrease in performance?
@@benfairbrother2458 no damage to frame there is lot of space for full stroke x2 im running. Increase in performance is mainly do to the x2 shock:)
@@joeblack4026 thanks mate, if i can get a hand on a spectral ill be giving it a go
@@benfairbrother2458 try it first with your shock deflated, should be fine
you forgot the grim donut
4:32 , anyone knows where to source that nice "lower headset cup spacer under head tube"? (to slacken HA and raise slightly the BB).
I know Reverse Components do this type of 'angle spacer' but theirs is an ugly/skinny design because it makes the headtube look like with a gap on top of the fork's crown race.
Cheers
I was wondering the same thing and looking at it a lil bit longer, I wonder if you could find something like that at a sanitary installations shop. Basically, it's just some small pipe
@@markowen2293
it's not just a pipe,.. it's the replacement CROWN RACE, just taller, and it should be precisely engineered and machined to fit tight on the steerer tube and this is where the angled lower bearing (most common is 45deg) will sit and take the preload (together with the upper headset) so that there is no play on the steerer tube.
Check out Reverse Components' website for more details. Unfortunately their design is skinny and doesn't look good on modern fat headtubes. Functionality wise I think RC's 0.5 deg Angle Spacer is good, I just don't like the looks.
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Hi I have been riding trails and jumps on my hardtail for the past 3 years and am looking at getting a used full suspension mtb that’s in tip top condition except my friends are telling me to get a better hardtail instead of a full suspension because they say I’m not ready for one. Should I get a full suspension mtb or a good hardtail? Do you gain more confidence on a full suspension mtb?
I say 3 years of riding a hardtail is enough driving experience for you to get a full suspension bike. The good thing about hardtails is that they teach you to pick good lines with fewer bumps and are excellent to learn on. Once you've learnt to ride on a hardtail, you'll find your limits expanded with a full suspension bike. You'll be able to take gnarlier lines and bigger jumps without worrying too much about the landing or a fall.
Some say that they prefer hardtails for the more "analog" and "old-school" riding experience, but I'd rather have a full suspension any day. My joints thank me for that, as there's less vibration and impacts going into your body.
@@wolfrikvonschwarzblut3921 thanks mate 👍
Your friends just don't want you to get a full susp bike, because it makes them staying behind. Get one any time, you will not regret. I started mbt on a full susp, I see no point of having to start on a ht for some special reason. Just buy the best bike you can affort.
@@jeffv.akaonsjeffke9865 will do
@@Jack-mg6ln you will find yourself gaining confidence doing rougher and steeper downhills. The better the bike, the easier it gets to do gnarly stuff. I live in a mountain aerea here in spain, and on a HT I could not do a lot of the stuff we do. Maybe uphill would be easier, but down would be suicidal. I would only have a HT if there were no bigger hills than 250m elevation. B.regards
Okay, what's will all the bells? Interesting!
Cheering and generally making noise to pump up the riders
We are one arrival?
Prices ????????????????????
For me the best designs are commencal and yt.
One word- YETI
forbidden dreatnut 100%
The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.
0:48 that's what she said
i live 10 killometers away of loudenvielle
The weareone
If the orbea doesn't look like a specialized stumpjumper at all. 🙄
I need help with a 2012 felt q220 headset
Pässilä Hamari is the choice,😁🤣
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Why do enduro bikes have all those tools integrated? The mechanics can't fix their bikes during the race?
Yes, racers need to be self sufficient and the stages and liaisons are often far from the pits!
What do you guys at gmbn think of this titanium righty fork that uses a rear shock as the damper? Would love to see Doddy react to this.
ua-cam.com/video/slG8jz6UXZ0/v-deo.html
Everything new is under wrap, here is some older stuff…
If I had the money starling murmur
POLE VOIMA
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And if i had the money: none of them
Parts of the video are not up-to-date really, the new Orbea Rallon shown in camouflage in the vid has been presented already on Thursday last week.....😂😎
Idk how I feel about high pivot bikes, they just have not shown what they claim to be able to do in a race environment.
Engineering chases improvements and most of it is done mathematically. A 2% increase or decrease in one specific part of the bike performance is considered a large improvement. We haven’t hit the point where the bike matters more than the skill when comparing only new bikes.
If you're not racing or in the mtb media then forget it.
Sales gimmick
LOVE Neal, but those glasses dont work lmao. It reminds me of when my dad tries to dance or use cool slang formed into glasses.
Mullets look horrendous. Good riddence when that fad has gone!!
It's stupid how big bikes are being made now.. I seriously can't ride a bike bigger than a size S or else it'll feel too big. I'm 6'1..
These bikes must be extremely expensive...
Nope, cheaper than the average car.
I don t like the look of high pivot bikes at all. That long chain going along the rear end looks ugly. Makes the bike look like machinery. Also more weight.
Ok
High pivot bikes are also bit of a pain in arse. The chain and idler attract so much filth after like a mile. My friend got forbidden nice looking bike but he regrets it 😂
Not to mention the derailleur gets a good pulling on every compression