"For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators." - Mendicant Bias
“You ARE forerunner” “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; for the sins of the father, passed down to his son” That’s all I need to know humanity is forerunner
"For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators." - Mendicant Bias
Fr though, I think the subtext was that these structures were made by the Forerunners long before they became a spacefaring race, and were moved to Delta Halo to honor them by their distant descendants. I think that's why they resemble what one considers "ancient human ruins" - because after the Halos were fired Forerunner civilization was literally knocked back to the stone age, meaning they started over from a similar point as to where the forerunner culture emerged. It's in keeping with the cyclical "Ourobouros"-like themes of the Halos CE through to REACH.
Originally the big reveal in the halo series was going to be 'the Humans and Forerunners were the same thing' they were going to open the tomb of some great forerunner and there only be a human skeleton in there. This is why Forerunner tech just works for humans (until it was later recon to only specify humans with certain genes) It was pretty late in Halo 3 development that the Forerunners were made a separate thing (and even then there was a bit of back and forth until halo 4)
A lot can be pieced together and plenty of the time is pretty openly in your face, just go into Halo with the idea that Forerunners were ancient humans instead of whatever crack 343 is smoking
the "halo bible"? dude, it's literally just "the bible" and other christian texts. im not even joking, halo's story takes a vast majority of its inspiration from biblical lore. You know, the flood? the arc? the covenant? and those are the obvious things, not to mention the more obscure things, like master chief's name and number being a reference to John 1:17 in the bible, and the whole story of ODST being a retelling of dante's inferno, etc.
@ariabritton9669 It's the rolling document that Joe Staten initiated after Halo: CE. It gave an overview of the plot originally expected in the sequel and eventually Halo 3, since the story could not fit in Halo 2 (deadlines, rework, hardware limitations). The term "bible" is used in business as a comprehensive overview or guide of a subject, albeit there are several theological allusions in Halo.
@@Carpediem357no they didn’t ? maybe fraud o’conner did but if you’ve ever seen the original screenplays for h2 (which was supposed to be h3 combined) arby finds human skeletons in the forerunner structure
bro doesn't know that forerunners (up until frank o'connor messed up the lore in halo 4) were ancient humans. the sentinels are ancient human-made robots.
@mylawnisdusty-ms2ui @Carpediem357 Wrong, both of you. Forerunners weren't shown to be separate from humanity until halo 4. Meaning it is indeed a ret con (even the terminals that everyone sites in halo 3 don't confirm them to be separate species).
@@dug1115 The only terminals to, "confirm" them being separate species are the ones written by Frank O'Connor, the guy who would retcon them in Halo 4 because he literally never understood anything about Bungie's Halo even when he worked at Bungie.
People seriously forgot that MS and 343 were the ones that wanted to retcon out the humans being forerunners descendants. Bungie (and some of the original authors of the books) made it very clear that the humans were originally the forerunners. From the reaction of the prophets and not wanting the masses of the covenant finding out, to the games LITERALLY SAYING IT multiple times. In the same vein, we're also forgetting that when they retconned it to this crap we have now is when the franchise began to die a swift death. So much so 343 is already dead, and they're looking to reboot the whole thing,
@@Carpediem357 You mean the Halo 2 aniversary terminals? That were added in 2014 by 343? And the 3 terminals made by Frank O'Connor? Those terminals? Cuz let me tell you that only those stupid ass 3 terminals by Frank are the ones that want to say the Forerunner and humans are different Cuz the other terminals, the terminals about mendicant bias tell us the Forerunner and humans are the same And oh yes Let's take the Lore of fucking 3 terminals and ignored the 5 games and 7 books Lore
Dude your video are so freaking goated. I absolutely LOVE this content!! Totally reminds me of the days where I would stay up until like 5 am with my cousins playing halo 1 & 2 and they would be speculating area of lore and where the skulls were located on maps and different areas of the game in relation to the lore. Thank you so much
In simple terms. 343i's Forerunner is alien. Bungie's Forerunner is an ancient human. The most obvious split point is Halo 4. It should be said that Bungie has always hinted to players that Forerunner is human. It's just that 343i hates Bungie so much that he changed the official history to their shape.
@@Carpediem357 You gotta stop spreading deliberate misinformation, just accept that you're wrong. This is like the 6th comment I've seen of you spreading lies about Halo in this comments section before doing any research.
@@sulwhale3171 343 went back and forth and retconned some of their own retcons. In the 343 war, there was a war, then Humans became cavemen, then everyone died.
I wonder if this was early flood defenses before the rings were constructed. If the flood came then they had isolated temples only accessible by the gondolas, which they presumably could turn off if there was an attack. I wonder if there was an escape plan of some sort from the main temple
If you think about it from the story as presented in 1-3 it makes a load of sense that the Forerunners were human. Humans are labeled as "reclaimers" by 343GS, as in they're here to take back what they lost after the galactic reset. How can you reclaim something you didn't once have? That'd make you a successor It would give a lot more reason for the Prophets to cover up that fact also
Humans are forerunner, but its more nuanced in the fact that humans and forerunners were initially different (according to the cut h2 ending atleast), the forerunners started to influence primitive humanity to mimic forerunners in every way, be it genetically or culturally. this structure is plausible to be early forerunner architecture before they became as advanced and was kept and transported as some sort of culturally relevant place. It would also explain why they are similar to early human architecture, since forerunners would have artificially manipulated humanity to follow the same path as them. Its also possible that an experiment similar to humanity happened on the ring, and the ruins are a result of previous "humanities"
6:00. Well the stone and metal synthesis there could've potentially been because once the forerunners found it, if there was any area that was damaged or completely gone, they could have used their more modern technology to reinforce what was there OR it had just taken so absolutely long to build that technology advanced significantly and the construction changed
There's a mexican-american youtuber named Katarn343 who's already covered a full video about those monoliths with human faces I would certainly recommend his channel 👍
@Eizh I've been subscribed to Generalkidd for nearly 6 years, and he never uploaded a 3 hour long video about The fall of Reach and a 2 hour long video of The Battle of Zeta Halo Katarn has already uploaded more than 5 videos about all the Easter eggs and lore facts of Halo He even started making videos before the release of Halo 4
They moved the early primative ruins to Delta Halo to preserve them casing some in metal. Humans are forerunner, thats the similarity in architecture, Mombassa shows this even without the clear cut h2 ending.
“You ARE forerunner” “Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; for the sins of the father, passed down to his son” "a collection of all our lost time, human history is it? hmmm fascinating"
This "mystery" already has been "cracked" by a pretty famous content creator from mexico like a year ago called "Katarn" youre not the first, and probably he isnt neither, but I think the bungie's intention was pretty clear with this one
C3Sabertooth has an AMAZING video called We Were Forerunner that did a phenomenal job of showing how broken 343’s lore is, and how it trampled all over what Bungie established.
1 as everyone is saying, Humans are indeed Forerunners in Bungie’s Halo and that was never a debate. 343 Guilty Spark says in CE that he’s rediscovering “Our lost time” when going through the archives of the Pillar of Autumn. 2, Cortana says in Delta Halo that the Forerunners built the older structures around the stone ones to preserve and protect the old architecture… just like how the high tech and metal New Mombassa is built around the stone downtown Old Mombassa. We’re watching history repeat itself and mankind reclaiming the stars.
So, for all those arguing about humans and forerunners. Bungi intended that humans be forerunner or at least like in the bible created in the image of god, hence the quotes from guilty spark and the gravemind. In the halo 3 terminals, the part about humans being a completely separate race to forerunners was added without any final production checks on them
What I heard was it was supposed to be Forerunners were humans that were taken from Earth by precursors. Also the current Humans were specific supposed to be the descendents of the Forerunners, not the human population that the precursors left on earth.
I mean, during the early development of Halo 2 the Humans were the Forerunners but that was scrapped at the end and for Halo 3 the Forerunners are officially NOT Humans. Even so, the structures can be -officially- Human because Bungie had not yet discarded the original idea, but if we enter deep in the lore we remember that the surviving Monitors and Forerunners maintained Human colonies living in the Halo, such was the case of Chakas who became 343 Guilty Spark. So it could be said as a final verdict that the Structures are made by Humans who populated the Halo for a brief moment, even in Halo Legends Babysitter we see that these dialogues are repeated "the structures of this planet are neither Human nor Covenant, they are older that both species" and we literally see Japanese structures, Buddhas and other similar things, were probably the same colonies of Ancient Humans reinserted by the Forerunners and the Covenant believed all of this were pure Forerunner.
Saying those rocks look like human heads is stretch, but overall I agree that these ruins are definitely Manmade. I really enjoy your videos so far, keep it up!
2:40 Doesn't really look like it to me. The image quality is too poor to make out exactly what it is. Though what it does kind of look like is someone mooning with their arms extended out.
Anything you know of forerunners or any from the books after 343 took over, forget about it. Bungie had a completely different idea what the extended lore was or would be. I see there are some old school smart halo fans in the chat already 😂
I recomend watch katarn343 video on the moai heads of halo 2, it's literally a video explaining the relation and divergence of forerunner and humans and how was back then and now. It's on spanish but got subtitles
I'm surprised everyone in the English speaking community, has been ignoring for more than a DECADE by now, the fact that Halo 3 terminals already made it clear that humans and forerunner were different species yet everyone is complaining about "343 changed it!!!" You guys are nothing but hypocrites
The terminals/Iris campaign that did that were made by Frank O’Conner. Those are a mess of contradictions, and Iris was likely released out of order. The rest of Halo 3 clearly has Forerunners being humans. Truth and Gravemind both allude to it, and Spark outright says “YOU ARE FORERUNNER!”. Theres reversed speech that plays when you activate terminals and it can say “welcome child “ or “linkage confirmed”. Contact Harvest written by Joseph Staten came out after 3 and overwrites Frank O’Conner’s mess by having Mendicant Bias outright tell the Prophets that humans are the children of their gods who are meant to Reclaim(er) their ancestor’s technology/legacy. Plus, numerous Bungie employees came out and said that humans were Forerunners.
@shreksnow1918 It doesn't matter who wrote them. Also Joe clearly had agreed with the Forerunners being a separate species. Spark is unreliable and mistook Chief for a Forerunner by the end of CE he realized he was Human. Truth knew Humanity was to own the Forerunners tech. Also Gravemind is unreliable. Humanity is the Adopted Child of the Forerunners after they were devolved into Primates and stripped of their Technology. Numerous Bungie devs have not said that. Only Marty has, Paul Russell has confirmed they were not Forerunners.
No offence but your theory does inclue lots of stretches, i can see how you think that and yes originally forerunners were meant to be humans. But even then it wouldn't make sense for the stone temples to be able to interact with the metal structures like they do if they were built by the ancient humans who happened to potentially be on the ring. If anything it was made by the forerunners to make sure the humans on the rings (who were the equivalent of cavemen due to the actions of the forerunnrers) could at least comprehend what was going on. I dont wanna discourage you from learning the halo lore though, because although it wasnt what Bungie had intended, 343 has expanded in the lore in interesting ways a lot of the time. In the end these strucutres may never go known for what they are used for as in refernce to cortanas line about how not even she knows, and she was made from forerunner data. But i hope you have fun learnign the halo lore and playing the games! They are lots of fun
Humans and forerunner used to be part of the same species, long ago when precursors made them, and before they became two new species... that's how evolution works It's not supposed to fuel your fantasy of mosern humans being the same as the forerunner 😊😊😊
So many people so confident that Bungie said the Humans are Forerunners 😂😂😂 but no they aren't. The proof is not only in Halo 2 and Halo 3 but the devs tweets. They had zero idea what the Forerunners should be because Halo 2 and Halo 3 were not planned and they winged it. Also they aren't Human. No one knows exactly what they are. One thing we do know is they've been submerged for centuries because Penidant Tangent neglected hia duties
@@Carpediem357 contact harvest novel straight up says that the forerunners are human, the Gravemind and guilty spark straight up says that you’re forerunner and even the prophet of mercy before he died says “and this time none of you will be left behind” implying that humans are forerunners
@RegrettableQueso no it doesn't. The Gravemind again was talking *Metaphorically* not Literally. Spark is a Rampant AI who thought Cheif was a Forerunner. By the end of CE he realizes he's wrong. And Truth???🤣🤣🤣 there's no way that's what you think he said or referring too. He meant the Humans would be killed when he activated the ring and completes the Great Jounrey. Aka *HE FIRES THE RINGS WITH HIMSELF AS THE RULER OF THE NEW WORLD*. I know Bungie Purists were dumb but you're taking the cake
@ Wrong. Spark and Gravemind are unreliable. Spark is rampant and thought Chief to be a forerunner only to learn he's human. Gravemind speaks metaphorically when he says "child of my maker". The Humans are the "Adopted" children of the Forerunners when they had implanted a gene song in them to be able to take their technology. Truths line is so hilarious that's not what he was referring to. Truth wished to fire the rings wipe out everyone and reseed the galaxy as himself as the the sole ruler thus him saying "You will be left behind" is him saying the Great Journey will see Humanity left behind lol. Keep using this and I'll keep disproving it
@Carpediem357 they were absolutely meant to be humans originally, hence why only humans could activate the rings, or why Guilty Spark calls Chief "reclaimer": he's "reclaiming" the relics of his people, since the forerunners WERE humans. The retcon to make them seperate did nothing but turn the already sloppy EU lore into an even more convoluted mess.
@jackmcmorrow9397 no they weren't. Bungie devs themselves have confirmed there was no choice. The Forerunners chose humanity to relcaim their species relics as a way to attone for their past. Guilty Spark thought Chief was a Forerunner but by the end of CE learned he wasn't Forerunner. The retcon was made by Bungie in Halo 2 and further confirmed in Halo 3 that Forerunners ≠ Human
“You are the child of my makers, inheritor of all they left behind, you are Forerunner but this ring is mine”
- Guilty Spark
"For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators." - Mendicant Bias
“You ARE forerunner”
“Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; for the sins of the father, passed down to his son”
That’s all I need to know humanity is forerunner
"I can see why they left you behind"
where is this from
@@eddieru Halo 3 Dialogue, Guilty Spark and the Gravemind respectively
@ thank you bro. no disrespect taken
Guilty Spark is unreliable he thought the Chief was a Forerunner.
Gravemind confirms they are not Forerunner😂😂😂.
His quote quite literally proves it.
"For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators." - Mendicant Bias
Fr though, I think the subtext was that these structures were made by the Forerunners long before they became a spacefaring race, and were moved to Delta Halo to honor them by their distant descendants.
I think that's why they resemble what one considers "ancient human ruins" - because after the Halos were fired Forerunner civilization was literally knocked back to the stone age, meaning they started over from a similar point as to where the forerunner culture emerged. It's in keeping with the cyclical "Ourobouros"-like themes of the Halos CE through to REACH.
Or the Forerunners are humans
Originally the big reveal in the halo series was going to be 'the Humans and Forerunners were the same thing' they were going to open the tomb of some great forerunner and there only be a human skeleton in there.
This is why Forerunner tech just works for humans (until it was later recon to only specify humans with certain genes)
It was pretty late in Halo 3 development that the Forerunners were made a separate thing (and even then there was a bit of back and forth until halo 4)
so many things about bungies original story for halo we dont know, hope one day we get to see the bungie halo bible
Doubt it since the Bungie we have today don't give a crap about anything except microtransactions.
A lot can be pieced together and plenty of the time is pretty openly in your face, just go into Halo with the idea that Forerunners were ancient humans instead of whatever crack 343 is smoking
@@115spt2the lore behind those must be craaazy though
the "halo bible"? dude, it's literally just "the bible" and other christian texts. im not even joking, halo's story takes a vast majority of its inspiration from biblical lore. You know, the flood? the arc? the covenant? and those are the obvious things, not to mention the more obscure things, like master chief's name and number being a reference to John 1:17 in the bible, and the whole story of ODST being a retelling of dante's inferno, etc.
@ariabritton9669 It's the rolling document that Joe Staten initiated after Halo: CE. It gave an overview of the plot originally expected in the sequel and eventually Halo 3, since the story could not fit in Halo 2 (deadlines, rework, hardware limitations).
The term "bible" is used in business as a comprehensive overview or guide of a subject, albeit there are several theological allusions in Halo.
Humans ARE Forerunner!
Crazy how 343 Retcon all this with the halo 4 promethean and stuff, love the old halo lore tbh
@@punisher1163Bungie retconned in with Halo 3 and Halo 2 lol
@@Carpediem357 How
Please explain that to me
@@juandorsaa4667 Halo 2 and the Terminals in Halo 3 completely retcon the Forerunners being Human
@@Carpediem357no they didn’t ? maybe fraud o’conner did but if you’ve ever seen the original screenplays for h2 (which was supposed to be h3 combined) arby finds human skeletons in the forerunner structure
"how more clear does it get than this"
*with a pixelated cropped image on the screen*
bro doesn't know that forerunners (up until frank o'connor messed up the lore in halo 4) were ancient humans. the sentinels are ancient human-made robots.
The forerunners killed the ancient humans
So very wrong lol. Bungie were the ones to retcon the Forerunners
@mylawnisdusty-ms2ui @Carpediem357 Wrong, both of you. Forerunners weren't shown to be separate from humanity until halo 4. Meaning it is indeed a ret con (even the terminals that everyone sites in halo 3 don't confirm them to be separate species).
@@dug1115 The only terminals to, "confirm" them being separate species are the ones written by Frank O'Connor, the guy who would retcon them in Halo 4 because he literally never understood anything about Bungie's Halo even when he worked at Bungie.
People seriously forgot that MS and 343 were the ones that wanted to retcon out the humans being forerunners descendants. Bungie (and some of the original authors of the books) made it very clear that the humans were originally the forerunners. From the reaction of the prophets and not wanting the masses of the covenant finding out, to the games LITERALLY SAYING IT multiple times.
In the same vein, we're also forgetting that when they retconned it to this crap we have now is when the franchise began to die a swift death. So much so 343 is already dead, and they're looking to reboot the whole thing,
The Covenant attacking earth was exactly because Truth wanted to hide it under the rug.
Nope Bubgie were the ones who retconned it
@@Carpediem357 when?
Please tell us
@@juandorsaa4667 Halo 2 and Halo 3s terminals
@@Carpediem357 You mean the Halo 2 aniversary terminals?
That were added in 2014 by 343?
And the 3 terminals made by Frank O'Connor?
Those terminals?
Cuz let me tell you that only those stupid ass 3 terminals by Frank are the ones that want to say the Forerunner and humans are different
Cuz the other terminals, the terminals about mendicant bias tell us the Forerunner and humans are the same
And oh yes
Let's take the Lore of fucking 3 terminals and ignored the 5 games and 7 books Lore
Dude your video are so freaking goated. I absolutely LOVE this content!! Totally reminds me of the days where I would stay up until like 5 am with my cousins playing halo 1 & 2 and they would be speculating area of lore and where the skulls were located on maps and different areas of the game in relation to the lore. Thank you so much
Humans have always been forerunners.
Halo 1 and 3 make is super clear.
The weird species un Halo 4-5-6 is just fan-fiction.
In simple terms. 343i's Forerunner is alien. Bungie's Forerunner is an ancient human.
The most obvious split point is Halo 4. It should be said that Bungie has always hinted to players that Forerunner is human. It's just that 343i hates Bungie so much that he changed the official history to their shape.
Bungies Forerunners don't exist because not even they agreed upon if they were Human or Alien
@@Carpediem357 You gotta stop spreading deliberate misinformation, just accept that you're wrong. This is like the 6th comment I've seen of you spreading lies about Halo in this comments section before doing any research.
343 made the Humans vs Forerunner right where Humans were being more powerful and then they went back to the cave timeline by the Forerunner right?
@@sulwhale3171 343 went back and forth and retconned some of their own retcons. In the 343 war, there was a war, then Humans became cavemen, then everyone died.
I wonder if this was early flood defenses before the rings were constructed. If the flood came then they had isolated temples only accessible by the gondolas, which they presumably could turn off if there was an attack. I wonder if there was an escape plan of some sort from the main temple
Good theory!
If you think about it from the story as presented in 1-3 it makes a load of sense that the Forerunners were human. Humans are labeled as "reclaimers" by 343GS, as in they're here to take back what they lost after the galactic reset. How can you reclaim something you didn't once have? That'd make you a successor
It would give a lot more reason for the Prophets to cover up that fact also
Bungie did literally confirm that Forerunners were Human (Halo 3 and Contact Harvest explicitly say, but the rest heavily hint it).
Humans are forerunner, but its more nuanced in the fact that humans and forerunners were initially different (according to the cut h2 ending atleast), the forerunners started to influence primitive humanity to mimic forerunners in every way, be it genetically or culturally.
this structure is plausible to be early forerunner architecture before they became as advanced and was kept and transported as some sort of culturally relevant place. It would also explain why they are similar to early human architecture, since forerunners would have artificially manipulated humanity to follow the same path as them.
Its also possible that an experiment similar to humanity happened on the ring, and the ruins are a result of previous "humanities"
Nope. Very much wrong. Forerunners ≠ Human
FINALLY! SOMEONE ELSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THE FORERUNNERS WERE OUR CREATORS AND NOT LITERALLY US!
@@Carpediem357dude People that work for Bungie on Halo have commented that the big reveal at the end was supposed to be Human = Forerunners.
@lostShadowLord and many have also denied it. See the issue?? Bungie was indecisive when it comes to the Forerunners
Halo 2 yall
The reason for the ruins to be on the halo is to preservate them actually, being their way of embeacing their old lineage and history
6:00. Well the stone and metal synthesis there could've potentially been because once the forerunners found it, if there was any area that was damaged or completely gone, they could have used their more modern technology to reinforce what was there
OR it had just taken so absolutely long to build that technology advanced significantly and the construction changed
There's a mexican-american youtuber named Katarn343 who's already covered a full video about those monoliths with human faces
I would certainly recommend his channel 👍
can you link the vid? UA-cam hides links but I can unhide it. I will translate it and watch. I made a vid on just the faces like over a year ago
@Hunterunt ua-cam.com/video/lV4E5qYwOwU/v-deo.htmlsi=kWdTtsFkoSH5R405
But he just stole content from other Halo Content Creators, you can get most of his stuff from other Channels like GeneralKidd
@Eizh I've been subscribed to Generalkidd for nearly 6 years, and he never uploaded a 3 hour long video about The fall of Reach and a 2 hour long video of The Battle of Zeta Halo
Katarn has already uploaded more than 5 videos about all the Easter eggs and lore facts of Halo
He even started making videos before the release of Halo 4
They moved the early primative ruins to Delta Halo to preserve them casing some in metal. Humans are forerunner, thats the similarity in architecture, Mombassa shows this even without the clear cut h2 ending.
Humans being the forerruners was the central plot till 343 take the badge
“You ARE forerunner”
“Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; for the sins of the father, passed down to his son”
"a collection of all our lost time, human history is it? hmmm fascinating"
To be fair! I’ve never known and could have seen in old school graphics that those stones had faces!!! This is awesome though, thanks!
This "mystery" already has been "cracked" by a pretty famous content creator from mexico like a year ago called "Katarn" youre not the first, and probably he isnt neither, but I think the bungie's intention was pretty clear with this one
C3Sabertooth has an AMAZING video called We Were Forerunner that did a phenomenal job of showing how broken 343’s lore is, and how it trampled all over what Bungie established.
that's it, im reinstalling Halo MCC
Overwhelming evidence the Halo 2, Delta Halo and Regret, stone ruins are Human made along or before Forerunner machinery.
This guy is a genius, how have nobody noticed before
im certain this is just because of a lack of sentinel upkeep due to the quarantine zone
1 as everyone is saying, Humans are indeed Forerunners in Bungie’s Halo and that was never a debate. 343 Guilty Spark says in CE that he’s rediscovering “Our lost time” when going through the archives of the Pillar of Autumn. 2, Cortana says in Delta Halo that the Forerunners built the older structures around the stone ones to preserve and protect the old architecture… just like how the high tech and metal New Mombassa is built around the stone downtown Old Mombassa. We’re watching history repeat itself and mankind reclaiming the stars.
So, for all those arguing about humans and forerunners. Bungi intended that humans be forerunner or at least like in the bible created in the image of god, hence the quotes from guilty spark and the gravemind. In the halo 3 terminals, the part about humans being a completely separate race to forerunners was added without any final production checks on them
What I heard was it was supposed to be Forerunners were humans that were taken from Earth by precursors.
Also the current Humans were specific supposed to be the descendents of the Forerunners, not the human population that the precursors left on earth.
How couldn't i see if before 😮
I mean, during the early development of Halo 2 the Humans were the Forerunners but that was scrapped at the end and for Halo 3 the Forerunners are officially NOT Humans.
Even so, the structures can be -officially- Human because Bungie had not yet discarded the original idea, but if we enter deep in the lore we remember that the surviving Monitors and Forerunners maintained Human colonies living in the Halo, such was the case of Chakas who became 343 Guilty Spark.
So it could be said as a final verdict that the Structures are made by Humans who populated the Halo for a brief moment, even in Halo Legends Babysitter we see that these dialogues are repeated "the structures of this planet are neither Human nor Covenant, they are older that both species" and we literally see Japanese structures, Buddhas and other similar things, were probably the same colonies of Ancient Humans reinserted by the Forerunners and the Covenant believed all of this were pure Forerunner.
Saying those rocks look like human heads is stretch, but overall I agree that these ruins are definitely Manmade. I really enjoy your videos so far, keep it up!
Look up C3 Sabertooth’s doc (I might have that wrong) about the original Halo 2 ending…
That's a cut ending that didn't make it past concept it don't mean jack all
Humans and forerunners were always the same, so yeah, these are human ruins, in a way.
It would make sense, Humans are Forerunner after all.
How did you ever think "primal" was pronounced "primel"
Never noticed the heads on Delta Halo, I can't believe I missed that all these years. Further evidence that in Bungie Halo Humans ARE Forerunner.
They're not.
Frank O'Connor is a hack, and 343 isn't canon. Forerunners will always be Human.
These levels are literally in copy of Italy, of course it is human-built
343 lovers r crying
All 3 of them
@@UNGOC_Engineer3231 One of them in this comment section right now.
2:55 - ASS2ASS!
Yep
2:40 Doesn't really look like it to me. The image quality is too poor to make out exactly what it is.
Though what it does kind of look like is someone mooning with their arms extended out.
Anything you know of forerunners or any from the books after 343 took over, forget about it. Bungie had a completely different idea what the extended lore was or would be.
I see there are some old school smart halo fans in the chat already 😂
I recomend watch katarn343 video on the moai heads of halo 2, it's literally a video explaining the relation and divergence of forerunner and humans and how was back then and now. It's on spanish but got subtitles
halo twOOoOooOoooooo
You’re onto something here
heard that you’re making the H2R Engineers
I think they are making a custom model. I did have all the animations and everything ported up though on mine
@ nice
They are Forerunner ruins....
I'm surprised everyone in the English speaking community, has been ignoring for more than a DECADE by now, the fact that Halo 3 terminals already made it clear that humans and forerunner were different species yet everyone is complaining about "343 changed it!!!" You guys are nothing but hypocrites
Even before that Halo 2 clearly shows the Forerunners were not Human
The terminals/Iris campaign that did that were made by Frank O’Conner. Those are a mess of contradictions, and Iris was likely released out of order. The rest of Halo 3 clearly has Forerunners being humans. Truth and Gravemind both allude to it, and Spark outright says “YOU ARE FORERUNNER!”. Theres reversed speech that plays when you activate terminals and it can say “welcome child “ or “linkage confirmed”. Contact Harvest written by Joseph Staten came out after 3 and overwrites Frank O’Conner’s mess by having Mendicant Bias outright tell the Prophets that humans are the children of their gods who are meant to Reclaim(er) their ancestor’s technology/legacy. Plus, numerous Bungie employees came out and said that humans were Forerunners.
@shreksnow1918 It doesn't matter who wrote them. Also Joe clearly had agreed with the Forerunners being a separate species.
Spark is unreliable and mistook Chief for a Forerunner by the end of CE he realized he was Human.
Truth knew Humanity was to own the Forerunners tech. Also Gravemind is unreliable.
Humanity is the Adopted Child of the Forerunners after they were devolved into Primates and stripped of their Technology.
Numerous Bungie devs have not said that. Only Marty has, Paul Russell has confirmed they were not Forerunners.
No offence but your theory does inclue lots of stretches, i can see how you think that and yes originally forerunners were meant to be humans. But even then it wouldn't make sense for the stone temples to be able to interact with the metal structures like they do if they were built by the ancient humans who happened to potentially be on the ring. If anything it was made by the forerunners to make sure the humans on the rings (who were the equivalent of cavemen due to the actions of the forerunnrers) could at least comprehend what was going on. I dont wanna discourage you from learning the halo lore though, because although it wasnt what Bungie had intended, 343 has expanded in the lore in interesting ways a lot of the time. In the end these strucutres may never go known for what they are used for as in refernce to cortanas line about how not even she knows, and she was made from forerunner data. But i hope you have fun learnign the halo lore and playing the games! They are lots of fun
I guess the Forerunners liked Human architecture so much that they brought the architecture to their planets and Halo Rings...
Humans and forerunner used to be part of the same species, long ago when precursors made them, and before they became two new species... that's how evolution works
It's not supposed to fuel your fantasy of mosern humans being the same as the forerunner 😊😊😊
They are and always have been separate species even in Bungies games
All ruins in halo are human ruins, humans are forunners, always have been, 3v4 industries can never change the fact that that has always been true.
So confident yet so very wrong
So many people so confident that Bungie said the Humans are Forerunners 😂😂😂 but no they aren't.
The proof is not only in Halo 2 and Halo 3 but the devs tweets. They had zero idea what the Forerunners should be because Halo 2 and Halo 3 were not planned and they winged it.
Also they aren't Human. No one knows exactly what they are. One thing we do know is they've been submerged for centuries because Penidant Tangent neglected hia duties
@@Carpediem357 contact harvest novel straight up says that the forerunners are human, the Gravemind and guilty spark straight up says that you’re forerunner and even the prophet of mercy before he died says “and this time none of you will be left behind” implying that humans are forerunners
@RegrettableQueso no it doesn't.
The Gravemind again was talking *Metaphorically* not Literally.
Spark is a Rampant AI who thought Cheif was a Forerunner. By the end of CE he realizes he's wrong.
And Truth???🤣🤣🤣 there's no way that's what you think he said or referring too. He meant the Humans would be killed when he activated the ring and completes the Great Jounrey. Aka *HE FIRES THE RINGS WITH HIMSELF AS THE RULER OF THE NEW WORLD*.
I know Bungie Purists were dumb but you're taking the cake
@@Carpediem357he said mercy not truth
@ Wrong. Spark and Gravemind are unreliable.
Spark is rampant and thought Chief to be a forerunner only to learn he's human.
Gravemind speaks metaphorically when he says "child of my maker". The Humans are the "Adopted" children of the Forerunners when they had implanted a gene song in them to be able to take their technology.
Truths line is so hilarious that's not what he was referring to. Truth wished to fire the rings wipe out everyone and reseed the galaxy as himself as the the sole ruler thus him saying "You will be left behind" is him saying the Great Journey will see Humanity left behind lol.
Keep using this and I'll keep disproving it
"I cracked an age old mystery that the fanbase has known for 17 years." Dont smoke and make videos, kids.
Neither him or the community cracked anything. Humans ≠ Forerunners
@Carpediem357 bro seriously made a 15 minute video about well known Lore that we've already had for a decade and a half.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 he made a video about something that has never been true.
Forerunners ≠ Human
@Carpediem357 they were absolutely meant to be humans originally, hence why only humans could activate the rings, or why Guilty Spark calls Chief "reclaimer": he's "reclaiming" the relics of his people, since the forerunners WERE humans.
The retcon to make them seperate did nothing but turn the already sloppy EU lore into an even more convoluted mess.
@jackmcmorrow9397 no they weren't. Bungie devs themselves have confirmed there was no choice.
The Forerunners chose humanity to relcaim their species relics as a way to attone for their past.
Guilty Spark thought Chief was a Forerunner but by the end of CE learned he wasn't Forerunner. The retcon was made by Bungie in Halo 2 and further confirmed in Halo 3 that Forerunners ≠ Human
Of course they are Human ruins. We ARE the Forerunners, Bungie made that very clear. 343 isn't canon.