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@fordtechmakuloko I have a 2015 F150 5.0 with 98k miles. I'm having hard starting issues after letting it sit for 2 to 3 hours. It will take around 5 seconds to start and sputter upon startup. However, if I let it sit overnight it'll crank normally. Do you have any idea what could be causing this? It sounds like a fuel issue to me, but I'm not sure. I've also read about camshaft phaser issues that can cause improper engine timing...Any advice is appreciated.
Another awesome video. Thanks Brian. Would it really have killed them to have painted the back side of the module? Something as simple as paint does amazing things in the prevention of galvanic corrosion. Or even better, just make the body material out of plastic.
You are the Man ! Ford should pay you for keeping the general public informed on how to fix their poorly engineered products. You are worth the weight in gold many times over. Thank you Sir.
Mine failed on a 6 hour road trip during rush hour, got the truck on the shoulder and beat the $hit out of the module with a screwdriver and it started enough to get it off the interstate. Ran like crap but luckily a parts store was close by so I managed to pick a module up and just plugged it in and let it rest up on the spare tire until I got home. Would have never known about the module if it wasn't for channels like yours so thank you for all you do!
This happened to a friend's truck...15 min fix...i came home and pulled mine off...you guessed it...was starting to come apart...removed and cleansed...coated the back side with sealer cleaned frame and installed a rubberized backing....six years ago....great content here as always...our ford friend...
I find putting rubberized backing a better fix then standoffs. With standoffs dirt and salt buildup from around here will pack itself in there and cause the same issue in less then a few years. Stand-Offs Fords lazy band-aid problem to make you buy another one in few more years when they could have just properly engineered it or made it out of all plastic to begin with.
Been there done that..was shocked how much better the truck ran when I replaced it wasn’t a cheap part from ford even with a discount still cost $140..enjoy the hell out of this channel the content you deliver is much appreciated
You are the best when it comes to helping us with this fuel pump issue I've had the same problem recently with my 2006 f150 5.4 Triton, at first I thought i had a fuel pump problem which i was going to change but after watching your video I went underneath the bed took the old rust fuel module pump part out, replaced it with a new one and the truck start on the first crank.....Thank God for people like you.
Why is it that most content on this channel is simply fixing bad Ford engineering? They've been building cars for long enough to know how to do it right yet it seems to escape them. The 4.0 SOHC series was quite the eye opener. Great job, Brian! Your content is helping a countless amount of people. Keep it coming!
@@LynxStarAuto I was more getting at the fact that Ford engineers their problems into their cars instead of out. Of course Brian is a Ford specialist. The point was that his content is mostly fixing Ford's bad decisions instead of just normal wear and tear items.
@@CleanSC All manufacturers have good vehicles and bad vehicles, Ford has produced a lot of junk but they've also produced a lot of very reliable vehicles it just depends on which one we were talking about! F150's with there no nonsense V6 (non ecojunk) are extremely reliable and get good fuel economy, the old school 2 valve modular V8 engines we're also extremely reliable and very easy to work on! The problem is that they try and innovate and everybody wants the latest and greatest with the most power and the most complexity and then complain when it breaks!!
@@lustfulvengance Hey I'm with you 100% on everything you say. But there are some things Ford has done that defy any sort of logic. Bolting an aluminum part on a steel axle on the back of the truck is just being cheap. It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that's going to be bathed in salt, dirt, and water. Other manufacturers that decide to do things right, would have placed this module either inside the cabin or in a well-protected space. Why didn't Ford do it? Because it will be a cold day in hell before 8 more feet of thicker gauge copper wire are on the BOM. It's penny pinching. They know it will be good enough thru the warranty period, and to hell with it after that, it's not their problem. It's bean-counting like this that turns me off to certain manufacturer's practices. GM is in the same boat with countless rotten modules in the back of their trucks. They both KNOW how to make it reliable but they CHOOSE not to.
@@CleanSC The sad but true facts that have become the norm among auto makers!! Why ford and GM couldn't just run the stupid pump at 100% like they had been doing for decades and regulate the pressure mechanically is beyond me 😡😡
Wow all hail you as the greatest design engineer in the world. Lol. Probably a fat couch potatoes that never did anything in engineering or design. But hey you probably feel smarter then all the Ford engineers. Congratulations on being a moron.
Someone suggested I look at that device before I went on a huge Yellowstone trip. I had asked if there was anything I should look for before my trip even though I had no problems and sure enough, when I looked at it back in 2011 (I had a 2004 model) it was corroded and popped open/cracked already! Good thing I caught that before I left for the trip. Thanks to the folks on the forum for the suggestion too.
THANKS AGAIN. 2nd video of yours that has saved me. '05 F150 KR, 120k. Truck would die instantly going down the road sporadically. Wait 5 min it would start up fine go maybe quarter mile and drop dead again. Local dealer had my truck for 2 weeks, they ended tightening a battery clamp and calling it good. Sitting in the Iowa cold on side of the road in February I was fed up and looked to this vid. Did some looking and My spare tire winch was busted so I had to grind it free but well worth it. That module was split in half and covered in moisture. Called up napa, got the $98 Dorman special and did the roadside repair. 4 months later, I have not had a recurrence. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
just had to get mine done in my 2004 fx4 last month, all the tow trucks would have cost a fortune being out of town with my truck and trailer but thank God for AMA!
Top notch fix! I like the extra care you take into cleaning up the area and the preparation for the new part. Well done. Thanks for being one of those who takes their job seriously, providing the best service possible! 👍👍
I swear FoMoCo & GM are having a competition to see who can come up with the dumbest electrical engineering that will still make it out of the warranty period. GM one-upped Ford by requiring programming of the new module ... 😡 Great stuff as always, Brian. 👍👍
My truck died on me this weekend and I seen a video about this. Would of never thought to check it out without the video. Cost about $110 and 10 minutes to fix and my truck was back up running better then before.
THANK YOU!!! After watching this video I checked my module and sure enough it was badly corroded and ready to fail. My F-150 is a 2005 with 172K miles lived in Virginia most of it's life relatively free from salt (2005-2015) and now resides in Oklahoma. I'm the original owner. Its always had synthetic oil and I've changed the plugs twice. The only problem has been one coil-over-plug failed. Thanks again, I would have never known of this problem.
When replacing this module make sure you check the ground cable back there, I live in Ottawa Canada 🇨🇦 . I replaced mine and about four years later the problem was back after investigating the ground cable was rusted off, (so double-check the ground cable on the back near the fuel module.)
Good ole salt.... You're more north than I am but I know what you're talking about! People down in the southern us think we're crazy for saying "check the ground, it might be broken!" Haha.
Yep,I'm in (South) Ottawa 🇨🇦 too,when replacing mine noticed that the ground was literally hanging on by a thread. Crimped a new ring onto with lots of dielectric to slow the corrosion.
@@marcnarmer3229 there's a few, but the main one is no more than 6-8" from the actual FPDM. There's also another main ground on the LS rear of the frame where the bumper mounts.
this damn thing got me right at the burger king drive thru.....she just sputtered and died.. people were cool and helped me push into a parking spot.. i plow with it so better than a snowstorm. if you live in rust country just pick one up and keep it handy.
Wow, what a difference salty highways make. Thanks for the video since I just checked this component out on my truck today. However, on my truck there was no rust at all...anywhere, probably because it's spent almost all its entire life in Arizona. I can see keeping this truck another 20 years in this climate. The one problem that I am having though, is all the clips to the connectors on the coils, headlamps,injectors, etc, are all broken or falling apart from the dry heat. I just received an entire pig tail set for the injectors and coils, and replacing the old ones is going to be my next project. This way here, I can get rid of all my zip ties and duct tape holding everything in place. Red Green would be proud of me.😄😄
Thanks for this video. As a possible help to others, I had a no-start issue on my 2010 Expedition on a recent Sunday morning. Starter turned over, but no gas, no spark. Switched the start/run relay with an unused one, and it cranked right up. Lucky 3 minute diagnosis and fix (I hope). The fuse/relay box is on top of the radiator at the front of the engine compartment. The start/run relay is one of 9 identical relays in a row across the back of the box. Vehicle is driven in a seaside town where the salt air can cause or exacerbate corrosion issues, including friable corrosion. Can't say corrosion was at fault here, but it causes me to check connectors and use dielectric grease on connectors where ever I can, including the relay pins. In this case I put in a brand new relay after confirming the fix. For those wondering how I knew the injectors weren't working, there was no raw gas smell at the exhaust after the starter turned the engine over for about 10 seconds each time I turned the key; could have been the pump, or the pump module, but I looked for the simplest solution first.
Thank you Brian. I looked at my fuel pump driver module on my 04 F150 and it's original, it's cracked and corroded (though the truck still runs). I went to my local Ford dealer and got a new one. It was $180.00, not bad I don't think. I live in Missouri and we use salt on the roads down here so after 19 years, yes I think it's time to change the module. I will be doing that this next weekend. Side note: I just changed the fuel filter on it and thanks for that video. Yes the filter was original. For some reason I thought that I had changed it about 10 years ago however, I remembered that was my 95 blaser that I use to have that I changed 15 years ago not 10 (Ooops).
Quick Tip. 2 20 amp fuses across the two sets of terminal....(yes they fit perfect) will alllow truck to start and run if module has died. Get you home or to shop....save a tow fee.
@@Starbreaker666 at 3:41 for connector view...install a 20 atm fuse across the top 2 terminals and a 20 amp fuse across the bottom two terminals. This provides a power and ground to the fuel pump. The pump will run at full pressure but the truck will run to get to shop. I have done this quite a few times when customers call to say their truck won't start and drive back to shop.
Good informative video as always from a fomoco insider. Can’t believe you would get any thumbs down; really. The instructor shows you step by step procedures, with a wire schematic diagram and tells you where to find system voltage and ground on the label circuits not to mention plugging motor-craft products to use.
Make sure you remove the grey rubber gasket when installing! If you do not, you’ll throw a P1233 code! Happened to me. Go out and disconnect and check if you left it on! Awesome job Brian!
Thanks much!! I'm going to check mine today and see how it is. I'll probably go ahead and do the lifting mod of the unit just to be sure. You do great work. :-)
my Ford dealership was back ordered too and I needed the truck,so I got a Dorman one,so far it's working good. And it had spacers to move it away from the steel cross beam.
Been having an issue with no start then wait 10 min and it starts, new fuel pump. Michigan truck with 225k miles, 2006 F150. Didn't even know about this component without your video, thank you.
My truck is on FPDM number 3, the first one died and was replaced before the "revised mounting kit". I think the dealer installed the 1st replacement, they had trouble getting one because they were on back order from Ford, and basically impossible to find after market. When I installed the 2nd replacement (this time with the revised mounting studs) this summer I also Fluid filmed the case.
Might be a good idea if you have one of these truck and the control has not failed yet. Not too hard to make your own offset. Longer bolt and some washers. Then Fluid Film the heck out of it.
Just happened yesterday (7/22/2024) to a friends 2014 Ford E-450 RV (6.8L V10) conversion. Left him stranded in the middle of Ohio during a cross-country trip with his whole family. Some bucking, one intermittent engine check light DTC (which he ignored b/c he was in a hurry to get east at the beginning of his trip), then hard starting, then crank/no-start. All of this progressed over two weeks. Couldn't find any RV places willing to tow/service (claiming they didn't have a lift large enough for his 30 footer RV), so he ended up at a truck dealership for the repair. They started by dropping the tank, said the pump had no power, then traced it forward to the driver module. They're saying both the pump & module are now b/o. $700 in parts and $900 in labor, according to him. Seeing this first could have saved him a chunk.
I had a friend with an expedition that had this fail on him. After replacing the fuel pump and numerous tow charges. They found this to be the problem. He warned me about it on my 07 f150. I bought the new kit right away. When I went to take mine off, one side fell off when I put the wrench on it. The back had corroded straight through. I was so close to being stranded.
7:36, R.I.P. headphone users, LOL. Like your videos, I did this to my 08 back about 5 years ago. I used the Dorman part that comes with the rubber spacers, was under the truck this spring and most of those rubber spacers are gone and looks like I might have to replace the module again, getting a little crusty. Probably use the Ford part this time around.
Hi, very nice explanation and information, I had a truck with intermittent cranks don't start, somebody put white grease at the conector of the fuel control model, after I cleaned and remove the grease everything is working fine..blessings
Its also an earlier model ford as well, so less complicated then they are now. Although to play devils advocate, I see where GM is coming from with the whole recalibration thing, esp. actuators (HVAC damper, e-throttle, etc.), for example. The only other option (and how they used to do it) is to include logic in the software to automatically learn the home position and range of the actuator during key on or after X number of starts, which puts a lot of wear and tear on the actuator during the life of the vehicle. Doing the recalibration just once during a service visit saves a lot of stress on the components.
The first problem I noticed with my 2008 F150 was while driving through a heavy rain storm, the truck started running like it was misfiring. The next morning I phoned my mechanic and when I went to start the truck and head to have it looked at it ran normal again. Months later I noticed if I pressure washed my truck and sprayed the under carriage it would run like crap and bang & clang until module would dry out. One time I had a rad. shop flush out my coolant and as I drove away it started to feel like it was misfiring and quit just as I was getting on to the highway. Had someone pick me up, went back a few hours later and started right up. As long as it didn't get soaked with water under there, truck ran fine. When I had it replaced it was super rotted out but still ran fine if it stayed relatively dry.
Great video, I bought the OEM part, installed it but truck wouldn't kick over. Took it back to Ford thinking it was defective but come to find out it needs to be programmed 🤦♂️. I tried looking for videos/ forums on how to do that but haven't found anything
Any sailor will tell you that's not the way to properly treat corrosion. The frames been done well but you're still not gonna completely prevent galvanic corrosion of the module, you still have an electron path. You can greatly improve corrosion protection by also painting the module body. Aluminumgell would also do a good job
Hey Sir great information that really helped me out and I appreciate it. Just watch yourself giving out information about that company's link on that Ford Control unit. They send me a old one which was labeled as a kit. No hardware to mount the new unit. This wasn't the company's first time from what other costumer said. Mines was very bad as your video demonstrated. Thanks Sir
My mercury mariner hybrid 06 has random hesitation when acceleraring and sputters for 2 seconds after shutdown, no codes yet. Gonna check this today, thanks buddy!
I actually had a code P0191 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Range / Performance Bank 1 on my 2008 F-150. My first thought was the fuel rail pressure sensor, but it actually was a bad pump driver module. It came off the truck looking identical to the one in the video.
Brian, I am surprised you hadn't covered this sooner. Had mine let go on my '06 Harley Ed. F150 sometime ago. Fomoco is the only part to use!..but I'm not so sure about your 'mattay' finish I prefer matte!..lol
Even though that this video is 4 years old - I would of coated the back side of the new driver with that guard paint like it was done to the frame - being that the driver is exposed to the elements and Ford didn't provide a shield for that driver modual - Keeping the corrosion down is a key point here.
Question: in that diagram there’s a black yellow wire coming out of the number 3 pin. Does this go to the pump connector? I’ve replaced this FPDM and the fuel pump, but now it seems like I’m not getting any power to the pump. There was a bare wire, with about 1” of black insulation, wrapped in silver tape with the two larger wires going to the pump connector. Trying to figure out what that is for. Thanks!!!
Hi I like to say thank you, For your great video's. They are easy to follow. I'm going to be cleaning the throttle body on my 2009 Ford edge. I just wanted to run the procedure step by you to make sure everything is accurate. 1. Make sure everything is of radio, ac, etc. 2. Remove the battery. 3. Remove & clean the throttle body. 4. Put throttle body back 5. SG12 grease to throttle body electric connector 6. Remove & clean the MAF sensor. SG12 grease to MAF connector. 7. I'm adding K&N air filter. 8. Put battery back only connect positive wire. 9. Alligator jumper wire from positive to negative for 15 minutes. 10. Connect negative start car & let it run for about 20 minutes. 11. Go for 15 to 20 minutes drive. Thank you in advance for your response.
When I replaced mine, I simply applied a generous amount of antseize, to the back plate and frame; but I like the stand off. Maybe I'll take a peek and do this. Thanks for another great video! 😁
Mine got me at a friends house. I came out and it wouldn’t start. Didn’t know what was wrong so I had it towed home. Next morning I researched and bought an fpdm from auto zone. It was a dorman one but it’s lasted me over a year now and it’s a better design as far as spacers that keep it off the frame. Hopefully it doesn’t cause any problems later on.
I am an experienced mechanic but still stumped. I have a 2007 f250 super duty that starts when it wants. Sometimes will start then starts running slow then stops and fuel pressure is zero. I have cycled the key on and seen 70 PSI pressure, starts right up idols fine and as watched the fuel pressure goes from 70 to zero in about 5 seconds and dies. Other times it runs a week with no issues. On the no start condition there is only a few pounds to no fuel pressure. Leave the truck sit a day or an hour sometimes it starts right up. Might drive it everyday for a week and no problems. Might sit for for 5 minutes or next day and no start. Problem is it will not stay in the no start condition so I can diagnose. Replaced the fuel pump module and it started right up so I thought it was fixed. Next day no start even with the new FP Module. Threw a fuel rail switch on too. Still acts up when it wants. Cycle key on and can hear the pump for a second but it sounds week most of the time. Sometimes a key cycle will give a strong fuel pump sound and the truck then starts. Sometimes the key cycle will only boost the pressure a few pounds and will not start. Then it gets a streak where the pump sounds strong again and starts right up. I'm not sure if I should put a fuel pump or the Engine PCM is telling the pump to misbehave. I think fuel pressure is regulated by the ground the module sends to the pump? If I provide a full ground to the pump when it won't start and it starts will it prove anything like the PCM is faulty? I removed , and cleaned grounds to the FP Module and tank. Unplugged and inspected wire plugs I could see. I'm in the rust belt so bad contact is possible but I don't see it. I hope it's the pump but wondering if it is the PCM providing weak ground at times? Thanks for any help.
Hi there. I have had my 2008 5.4L Ford F-150 FX since I bought it and up until 4 years ago, somebody decided one night they would smash the driver side window and throw a mauseltof inside cab while me and family were in house watching a late night movie. We heard a loud bang and seen glowing red coming from front room blinds. Whole interior of the king cab was totally melted and destroyed, but engine, transmission, box and everything below wasn damage, as fire was put out by firefighters before entire truck was lost. My question is bcuz we took the whole front cab, box, front fenders off chassis and swapped with an '04 5.4L Lariet king cab, the truck will not start, no crank, just lights when put in and turned to try and start. When turn off key, dash lights stay on and there's a clicking noise under steering column like something is killing battery and does kill battery. Now...my husband thinks we need to replace motor, but I think it's just a possible reprogramming or replacing of PCM, ECM and TCM. 08 motor was starting to have issues but truck still ran and was our baby. It was starting to sputter and stall if come to a quick stop, vvt solenoids I believe needed to be replaced, but a mechanic told me it was cam phasers and timing belt, but all this ticking in motor usually is from oil pressure sensor, vvt solenoids and camshaft sensors failing no? I don't want to go broke paying for a dealership to tell me more lies.
I isntalled a doorman 4 years ago. The original had failed causing bucking , terrible acceleration transmission feeling problems. 4 years later have had soem issues usually in cold weather where she doesn’t want to start. New battery a year later won’t start at 0 degrees. Started day prior at -10 So finally inspected the FPDM Dorman. And sure enough it is cracked and the rubber stand offs are half gone. So guessing it is this causing problems!! Shoukd have had a new one waiting for this day !
Hello. I have a 2004 Ford expedition 5.4L V8. My truck is burning excessive fuel. I have changed my fuel filter & EGR unit. But I am still going through fuel super quick.
Hi Brian , where is this FPDM located on a 2006 ford 500 ? We have a crank / no start issue., no fuel coming out of the main fuel line . I checked all fuses in and out of the car . Removed and cleaned throttle body too.It will start with starting fluid.Thanks for all the great videos.
I have a question about something and can't find really anything on line at all . 2000 ford e250 4.2 v6 van problem is missing or losing coolant and found out the hoses that go to the pcv valve have coolant in them and so on guessing it's burning it idk but there's coolant in the hoses to it and there is like 3 I think it was that lead up to the back of the intake manifold . What is the problem why is it or has coolant in that thanks anything would help . Also has 300,000 miles on it
I just did this on my 06 Ford Escape. The doorman kit comes with the module painted silver not raw aluminum. It also came with a multi choice fastener kit and rubber stand offs with metal screws going thru them. I got mine for 40$ off eBay. I hate doorman. But this kit was awesome. I also added some silicone glue around where the plastic top meets the module and snaps on. Just extra precaution against salt.
My gas gauge on my 08 F-150 keeps saying I have low fuel and the nettle is very inconsistent. What could this be and could there be an easy fix? I hear it is a common issue.
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great vid wow broke in half!!! you forgot torch spare out.lol.thanks for sharing.
@fordtechmakuloko I have a 2015 F150 5.0 with 98k miles. I'm having hard starting issues after letting it sit for 2 to 3 hours. It will take around 5 seconds to start and sputter upon startup. However, if I let it sit overnight it'll crank normally. Do you have any idea what could be causing this? It sounds like a fuel issue to me, but I'm not sure. I've also read about camshaft phaser issues that can cause improper engine timing...Any advice is appreciated.
Another awesome video. Thanks Brian. Would it really have killed them to have painted the back side of the module? Something as simple as paint does amazing things in the prevention of galvanic corrosion. Or even better, just make the body material out of plastic.
Replaced mine exactly as in the video...old one was cracked, but it still is not getting fuel. Could fuel pump have gone as well?
Can this part cause issues under wide open throttle??
You are the Man ! Ford should pay you for keeping the general public informed on how to fix their poorly engineered products. You are worth the weight in gold many times over. Thank you Sir.
Very generous and kind of you to make these videos. Most people cannot afford mechanics. Yet alone getting screwed over with no fix.
Thank you
Mine failed on a 6 hour road trip during rush hour, got the truck on the shoulder and beat the $hit out of the module with a screwdriver and it started enough to get it off the interstate. Ran like crap but luckily a parts store was close by so I managed to pick a module up and just plugged it in and let it rest up on the spare tire until I got home. Would have never known about the module if it wasn't for channels like yours so thank you for all you do!
This happened to a friend's truck...15 min fix...i came home and pulled mine off...you guessed it...was starting to come apart...removed and cleansed...coated the back side with sealer cleaned frame and installed a rubberized backing....six years ago....great content here as always...our ford friend...
I find putting rubberized backing a better fix then standoffs. With standoffs dirt and salt buildup from around here will pack itself in there and cause the same issue in less then a few years. Stand-Offs Fords lazy band-aid problem to make you buy another one in few more years when they could have just properly engineered it or made it out of all plastic to begin with.
Been there done that..was shocked how much better the truck ran when I replaced it wasn’t a cheap part from ford even with a discount still cost $140..enjoy the hell out of this channel the content you deliver is much appreciated
Wiseguy5150 Ran alit better ?? I’m going to check mine tomorrow My truck seems like it starves for full at full throttle
@@joesmith-fi1sx did you replace it? Notice a difference?
You are the best when it comes to helping us with this fuel pump issue I've had the same problem recently with my 2006 f150 5.4 Triton, at first I thought i had a fuel pump problem which i was going to change but after watching your video I went underneath the bed took the old rust fuel module pump part out, replaced it with a new one and the truck start on the first crank.....Thank God for people like you.
Why is it that most content on this channel is simply fixing bad Ford engineering? They've been building cars for long enough to know how to do it right yet it seems to escape them. The 4.0 SOHC series was quite the eye opener. Great job, Brian! Your content is helping a countless amount of people. Keep it coming!
@@LynxStarAuto I was more getting at the fact that Ford engineers their problems into their cars instead of out. Of course Brian is a Ford specialist. The point was that his content is mostly fixing Ford's bad decisions instead of just normal wear and tear items.
@@CleanSC All manufacturers have good vehicles and bad vehicles, Ford has produced a lot of junk but they've also produced a lot of very reliable vehicles it just depends on which one we were talking about!
F150's with there no nonsense V6 (non ecojunk) are extremely reliable and get good fuel economy, the old school 2 valve modular V8 engines we're also extremely reliable and very easy to work on!
The problem is that they try and innovate and everybody wants the latest and greatest with the most power and the most complexity and then complain when it breaks!!
@@lustfulvengance Hey I'm with you 100% on everything you say. But there are some things Ford has done that defy any sort of logic. Bolting an aluminum part on a steel axle on the back of the truck is just being cheap. It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that's going to be bathed in salt, dirt, and water. Other manufacturers that decide to do things right, would have placed this module either inside the cabin or in a well-protected space. Why didn't Ford do it? Because it will be a cold day in hell before 8 more feet of thicker gauge copper wire are on the BOM. It's penny pinching. They know it will be good enough thru the warranty period, and to hell with it after that, it's not their problem. It's bean-counting like this that turns me off to certain manufacturer's practices. GM is in the same boat with countless rotten modules in the back of their trucks. They both KNOW how to make it reliable but they CHOOSE not to.
@@CleanSC The sad but true facts that have become the norm among auto makers!!
Why ford and GM couldn't just run the stupid pump at 100% like they had been doing for decades and regulate the pressure mechanically is beyond me 😡😡
Wow all hail you as the greatest design engineer in the world. Lol. Probably a fat couch potatoes that never did anything in engineering or design. But hey you probably feel smarter then all the Ford engineers. Congratulations on being a moron.
Someone suggested I look at that device before I went on a huge Yellowstone trip. I had asked if there was anything I should look for before my trip even though I had no problems and sure enough, when I looked at it back in 2011 (I had a 2004 model) it was corroded and popped open/cracked already! Good thing I caught that before I left for the trip. Thanks to the folks on the forum for the suggestion too.
Thank you Brian from all us dads out there just trying to get by. Your hard work and generosity is truly a gift...again Thank you!!!!
THANKS AGAIN. 2nd video of yours that has saved me. '05 F150 KR, 120k. Truck would die instantly going down the road sporadically. Wait 5 min it would start up fine go maybe quarter mile and drop dead again. Local dealer had my truck for 2 weeks, they ended tightening a battery clamp and calling it good. Sitting in the Iowa cold on side of the road in February I was fed up and looked to this vid. Did some looking and My spare tire winch was busted so I had to grind it free but well worth it. That module was split in half and covered in moisture. Called up napa, got the $98 Dorman special and did the roadside repair. 4 months later, I have not had a recurrence. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Very good presentation, FTM. Hard to believe after all this time, the engineers don't think ahead for galvanic corrosion.
just had to get mine done in my 2004 fx4 last month, all the tow trucks would have cost a fortune being out of town with my truck and trailer but thank God for AMA!
Top notch fix! I like the extra care you take into cleaning up the area and the preparation for the new part. Well done. Thanks for being one of those who takes their job seriously, providing the best service possible! 👍👍
I swear FoMoCo & GM are having a competition to see who can come up with the dumbest electrical engineering that will still make it out of the warranty period. GM one-upped Ford by requiring programming of the new module ... 😡
Great stuff as always, Brian. 👍👍
My truck died on me this weekend and I seen a video about this. Would of never thought to check it out without the video. Cost about $110 and 10 minutes to fix and my truck was back up running better then before.
THANK YOU!!! After watching this video I checked my module and sure enough it was badly corroded and ready to fail. My F-150 is a 2005 with 172K miles lived in Virginia most of it's life relatively free from salt (2005-2015) and now resides in Oklahoma. I'm the original owner. Its always had synthetic oil and I've changed the plugs twice. The only problem has been one coil-over-plug failed. Thanks again, I would have never known of this problem.
When replacing this module make sure you check the ground cable back there, I live in Ottawa Canada 🇨🇦 .
I replaced mine and about four years later the problem was back after investigating the ground cable was rusted off, (so double-check the ground cable on the back near the fuel module.)
Good ole salt.... You're more north than I am but I know what you're talking about! People down in the southern us think we're crazy for saying "check the ground, it might be broken!" Haha.
Yep,I'm in (South) Ottawa 🇨🇦 too,when replacing mine noticed that the ground was literally hanging on by a thread. Crimped a new ring onto with lots of dielectric to slow the corrosion.
Where is the ground cable
@@marcnarmer3229 there's a few, but the main one is no more than 6-8" from the actual FPDM. There's also another main ground on the LS rear of the frame where the bumper mounts.
this damn thing got me right at the burger king drive thru.....she just sputtered and died.. people were cool and helped me push into a parking spot.. i plow with it so better than a snowstorm. if you live in rust country just pick one up and keep it handy.
Wow, what a difference salty highways make. Thanks for the video since I just checked this component out on my truck today. However, on my truck there was no rust at all...anywhere, probably because it's spent almost all its entire life in Arizona. I can see keeping this truck another 20 years in this climate. The one problem that I am having though, is all the clips to the connectors on the coils, headlamps,injectors, etc, are all broken or falling apart from the dry heat. I just received an entire pig tail set for the injectors and coils, and replacing the old ones is going to be my next project. This way here, I can get rid of all my zip ties and duct tape holding everything in place. Red Green would be proud of me.😄😄
I am very proud of Ford for finally discovering that aluminum and steel should never touch.
Maybe someday they'll figure out that electronics shouldn't be hung underneath cars.
Welcome Ford to the rest of the world that already knows it.
I was thinking the same thing.
We never have that type of problem in New Mexico - if you think it's that much of a problem - maybe you should move to a better climate...
@@buckhorncortez A better climate is moving to me.
Thanks for this video. As a possible help to others, I had a no-start issue on my 2010 Expedition on a recent Sunday morning. Starter turned over, but no gas, no spark. Switched the start/run relay with an unused one, and it cranked right up. Lucky 3 minute diagnosis and fix (I hope). The fuse/relay box is on top of the radiator at the front of the engine compartment. The start/run relay is one of 9 identical relays in a row across the back of the box. Vehicle is driven in a seaside town where the salt air can cause or exacerbate corrosion issues, including friable corrosion. Can't say corrosion was at fault here, but it causes me to check connectors and use dielectric grease on connectors where ever I can, including the relay pins. In this case I put in a brand new relay after confirming the fix. For those wondering how I knew the injectors weren't working, there was no raw gas smell at the exhaust after the starter turned the engine over for about 10 seconds each time I turned the key; could have been the pump, or the pump module, but I looked for the simplest solution first.
This video saved me. Swapped this out while stuck on the side of the street. Thank you
Another great video on how to fix a "not-so-great" idea from Ford. Keep up the good work, Brian.
Great video as always. Needed this a couple of years ago before I took the bed off my crew cab trying to change the fuel pump 😀.
Lol the stock fuel pumps almost never fail 2004 and newer
Thank you Brian. I looked at my fuel pump driver module on my 04 F150 and it's original, it's cracked and corroded (though the truck still runs). I went to my local Ford dealer and got a new one. It was $180.00, not bad I don't think. I live in Missouri and we use salt on the roads down here so after 19 years, yes I think it's time to change the module. I will be doing that this next weekend.
Side note: I just changed the fuel filter on it and thanks for that video. Yes the filter was original. For some reason I thought that I had changed it about 10 years ago however, I remembered that was my 95 blaser that I use to have that I changed 15 years ago not 10 (Ooops).
Sold about one a month when I worked at an auto parts store some years ago. I bet they sell weekly now with a few more salty winters.
Bingo. Fuel pump good verified. Fuse box(fuel pump relay) good rebuilt. Fuel pump driver module disintegrated. Thank you very much. Great video.
It is exactly what happened to my truck, I changed that part and started again. Thanks for this video.
Quick Tip. 2 20 amp fuses across the two sets of terminal....(yes they fit perfect) will alllow truck to start and run if module has died. Get you home or to shop....save a tow fee.
Can you explain that in a little more detail. I am intereted in what ya got to say.
@@Starbreaker666 at 3:41 for connector view...install a 20 atm fuse across the top 2 terminals and a 20 amp fuse across the bottom two terminals. This provides a power and ground to the fuel pump. The pump will run at full pressure but the truck will run to get to shop. I have done this quite a few times when customers call to say their truck won't start and drive back to shop.
Best tip ever thank you very much
Outstanding explanation and video of the location. This actually just happened to me, all the same symptoms you described!
I absolutely love your videos. 2010 F150 owner. Wish I would have seen your page 3-4 years ago. I enjoyed your use of the word "Ma-teh" ...(matte)
Thank you for making these videos, it’s really helpful
Good informative video as always from a fomoco insider. Can’t believe you would get any thumbs down; really. The instructor shows you step by step procedures, with a wire schematic diagram and tells you where to find system voltage and ground on the label circuits not to mention plugging motor-craft products to use.
Make sure you remove the grey rubber gasket when installing! If you do not, you’ll throw a P1233 code! Happened to me. Go out and disconnect and check if you left it on! Awesome job Brian!
What grey gasket are you talking about? Please help
Do not remove any rubber gasket! That’s what keeps water and mud etc out of the connector. Just ensure the plug is fully seated and good to go.
Thank you Brian. Good job. I appreciate your videos. Have a blessed and safe week.
Thanks much!! I'm going to check mine today and see how it is. I'll probably go ahead and do the lifting mod of the unit just to be sure. You do great work. :-)
Brilliant mind👏... Redesign to prevent issue back again....
My Dorman part working great,3 years ago! Was $57.00 eBay! Ford part was on back order and cost $107.00 back then!
my Ford dealership was back ordered too and I needed the truck,so I got a Dorman one,so far it's working good. And it had spacers to move it away from the steel cross beam.
Now these are all double that cosy unless you order the Dorman from Amazon.
My brand new doorman doesnt work. $60 at orileys. Saying i need to get a ford one $220 crazy
@@koreyhair6195 I have a good cheap one new in box shipped $70 had it as a spare. Also other new parts fits 04-08 f150 if interested,
@@koreyhair6195 check for blown fuse top of fuse box right side kick panel , if red light is flashing.
Another great video! How I wish you did Corvettes or another mechanic. I watch and never had a Ford.
Thank you for all your videos you have saved me so much money.
Been having an issue with no start then wait 10 min and it starts, new fuel pump. Michigan truck with 225k miles, 2006 F150.
Didn't even know about this component without your video, thank you.
My truck is on FPDM number 3, the first one died and was replaced before the "revised mounting kit". I think the dealer installed the 1st replacement, they had trouble getting one because they were on back order from Ford, and basically impossible to find after market. When I installed the 2nd replacement (this time with the revised mounting studs) this summer I also Fluid filmed the case.
Might be a good idea if you have one of these truck and the control has not failed yet. Not too hard to make your own offset. Longer bolt and some washers.
Then Fluid Film the heck out of it.
Just did this to my cousin's truck this past weekend.
Just happened yesterday (7/22/2024) to a friends 2014 Ford E-450 RV (6.8L V10) conversion. Left him stranded in the middle of Ohio during a cross-country trip with his whole family. Some bucking, one intermittent engine check light DTC (which he ignored b/c he was in a hurry to get east at the beginning of his trip), then hard starting, then crank/no-start. All of this progressed over two weeks. Couldn't find any RV places willing to tow/service (claiming they didn't have a lift large enough for his 30 footer RV), so he ended up at a truck dealership for the repair. They started by dropping the tank, said the pump had no power, then traced it forward to the driver module. They're saying both the pump & module are now b/o. $700 in parts and $900 in labor, according to him. Seeing this first could have saved him a chunk.
I should have known you'd use fluid film to protect the module, good stuff.
I had a friend with an expedition that had this fail on him. After replacing the fuel pump and numerous tow charges. They found this to be the problem. He warned me about it on my 07 f150. I bought the new kit right away. When I went to take mine off, one side fell off when I put the wrench on it. The back had corroded straight through. I was so close to being stranded.
Ford engineers : let's put aluminum against steel, what could go worng.?
Criminal .
7:36, R.I.P. headphone users, LOL. Like your videos, I did this to my 08 back about 5 years ago. I used the Dorman part that comes with the rubber spacers, was under the truck this spring and most of those rubber spacers are gone and looks like I might have to replace the module again, getting a little crusty. Probably use the Ford part this time around.
Great video! I want that Milwaukee ratchet. That thing is AWESOME
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@@FordTechMakuloco hey thank you very much. I'll most defenetly check it out
Good video and simple fix. Still waiting on a video for my 99 Ford F-150 on the frozen 4x4 linkage pin
heat beat repete
Hi, very nice explanation and information, I had a truck with intermittent cranks don't start, somebody put white grease at the conector of the fuel control model, after I cleaned and remove the grease everything is working fine..blessings
Exactly as it should be, straight to the point no excess yapping
At least you did not have to program it like GM makes you do.
Its also an earlier model ford as well, so less complicated then they are now. Although to play devils advocate, I see where GM is coming from with the whole recalibration thing, esp. actuators (HVAC damper, e-throttle, etc.), for example. The only other option (and how they used to do it) is to include logic in the software to automatically learn the home position and range of the actuator during key on or after X number of starts, which puts a lot of wear and tear on the actuator during the life of the vehicle. Doing the recalibration just once during a service visit saves a lot of stress on the components.
The first problem I noticed with my 2008 F150 was while driving through a heavy rain storm, the truck started running like it was misfiring.
The next morning I phoned my mechanic and when I went to start the truck and head to have it looked at it ran normal again.
Months later I noticed if I pressure washed my truck and sprayed the under carriage it would run like crap and bang & clang until module would dry out.
One time I had a rad. shop flush out my coolant and as I drove away it started to feel like it was misfiring and quit just as I was getting on to the highway.
Had someone pick me up, went back a few hours later and started right up. As long as it didn't get soaked with water under there, truck ran fine. When I had it replaced it was super rotted out but still ran fine if it stayed relatively dry.
Great video, I bought the OEM part, installed it but truck wouldn't kick over. Took it back to Ford thinking it was defective but come to find out it needs to be programmed 🤦♂️. I tried looking for videos/ forums on how to do that but haven't found anything
Any sailor will tell you that's not the way to properly treat corrosion. The frames been done well but you're still not gonna completely prevent galvanic corrosion of the module, you still have an electron path. You can greatly improve corrosion protection by also painting the module body. Aluminumgell would also do a good job
I used fluid film.
Hey Sir great information that really helped me out and I appreciate it. Just watch yourself giving out information about that company's link on that Ford Control unit. They send me a old one which was labeled as a kit. No hardware to mount the new unit. This wasn't the company's first time from what other costumer said. Mines was very bad as your video demonstrated. Thanks Sir
My mercury mariner hybrid 06 has random hesitation when acceleraring and sputters for 2 seconds after shutdown, no codes yet. Gonna check this today, thanks buddy!
I actually had a code P0191 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Range / Performance Bank 1 on my 2008 F-150. My first thought was the fuel rail pressure sensor, but it actually was a bad pump driver module. It came off the truck looking identical to the one in the video.
Another Valuable video. Thank you very much!
I removed mine and undercoated the back it spaced it 1/4” away from the frame.
Superb quality content everytime 👍
Brian, I am surprised you hadn't covered this sooner. Had mine let go on my '06 Harley Ed. F150 sometime ago. Fomoco is the only part to use!..but I'm not so sure about your 'mattay' finish I prefer matte!..lol
I was saying it the fancy way! Lol
Oh and I have covered this FPDM issue in a couple different videos in the past but never a dedicated F-150 video.
Haha!
Even though that this video is 4 years old - I would of coated the back side of the new driver with that guard paint like it was done to the frame - being that the driver is exposed to the elements and Ford didn't provide a shield for that driver modual - Keeping the corrosion down is a key point here.
You are also very good in painting Jajaja great thank you for such a great videos
Question: in that diagram there’s a black yellow wire coming out of the number 3 pin. Does this go to the pump connector?
I’ve replaced this FPDM and the fuel pump, but now it seems like I’m not getting any power to the pump. There was a bare wire, with about 1” of black insulation, wrapped in silver tape with the two larger wires going to the pump connector. Trying to figure out what that is for. Thanks!!!
Hi I like to say thank you,
For your great video's. They are easy to follow.
I'm going to be cleaning the throttle body on my 2009 Ford edge. I just wanted to run the procedure step by you to make sure everything is accurate.
1. Make sure everything is of radio, ac, etc.
2. Remove the battery.
3. Remove & clean the throttle body.
4. Put throttle body back
5. SG12 grease to throttle body electric connector
6. Remove & clean the MAF sensor. SG12 grease to MAF connector.
7. I'm adding K&N air filter.
8. Put battery back only connect positive wire.
9. Alligator jumper wire
from positive to negative
for 15 minutes.
10. Connect negative start car & let it run for about 20 minutes.
11. Go for 15 to 20 minutes drive.
Thank you in advance for your response.
Great info, and demonstration!!!
Thanks for the informative video. I'm ordering the part from the link that you have provided.
The engineer that designed that disaster must of had rich parents and bought their degree 😂
I'd like to know where was Ford's head at when they hired the engineer(s) for this gen of f150.
When I replaced mine, I simply applied a generous amount of antseize, to the back plate and frame; but I like the stand off. Maybe I'll take a peek and do this. Thanks for another great video! 😁
Mine got me at a friends house. I came out and it wouldn’t start. Didn’t know what was wrong so I had it towed home. Next morning I researched and bought an fpdm from auto zone. It was a dorman one but it’s lasted me over a year now and it’s a better design as far as spacers that keep it off the frame. Hopefully it doesn’t cause any problems later on.
I am an experienced mechanic but still stumped.
I have a 2007 f250 super duty that starts when it wants. Sometimes will start then starts running slow then stops and fuel pressure is zero.
I have cycled the key on and seen 70 PSI pressure, starts right up idols fine and as watched the fuel pressure goes from 70 to zero in about 5 seconds and dies.
Other times it runs a week with no issues.
On the no start condition there is only a few pounds to no fuel pressure. Leave the truck sit a day or an hour sometimes it starts right up. Might drive it everyday for a week and no problems. Might sit for for 5 minutes or next day and no start.
Problem is it will not stay in the no start condition so I can diagnose.
Replaced the fuel pump module and it started right up so I thought it was fixed. Next day no start even with the new FP Module. Threw a fuel rail switch on too. Still acts up when it wants.
Cycle key on and can hear the pump for a second but it sounds week most of the time. Sometimes a key cycle will give a strong fuel pump sound and the truck then starts.
Sometimes the key cycle will only boost the pressure a few pounds and will not start. Then it gets a streak where the pump sounds strong again and starts right up.
I'm not sure if I should put a fuel pump or the Engine PCM is telling the pump to misbehave.
I think fuel pressure is regulated by the ground the module sends to the pump? If I provide a full ground to the pump when it won't start and it starts will it prove anything like the PCM is faulty?
I removed , and cleaned grounds to the FP Module and tank. Unplugged and inspected wire plugs I could see. I'm in the rust belt so bad contact is possible but I don't see it.
I hope it's the pump but wondering if it is the PCM providing weak ground at times?
Thanks for any help.
A local dealership quoted me $620 to fix this part. Needless to say I refused and found this video to do it for less than 1/6th the price
Great video. Very informative.
Brian,
Great video (and I dont even have a Ford truck) - thank you!
God bless
Paul
This video was super helpful thank you
Same om my 08 E150 . after a fuel pump , relay and $900. wish i had found this easy fix sooner
I just did this repair in my shop. I always will use a bolt system to make stand-offs so that it cant interact with the differential housing.
Is it necessary to reset the ECU after doing this repair, or does it really not matter?
You want to at least clear codes.
A rubberized backing would eliminate that gap and avoid it filling with dirt and salt from the road.
They need the backing vented as it is a heat sink, you don't want to insulate it with rubber. This new mounting method works perfect.
A rubber backing pressed against a steel cross member won’t stop modern deicer from creeping in
8:50 Happy Little Maite Clouds
another awesome video, thank you.
Hi there. I have had my 2008 5.4L Ford F-150 FX since I bought it and up until 4 years ago, somebody decided one night they would smash the driver side window and throw a mauseltof inside cab while me and family were in house watching a late night movie. We heard a loud bang and seen glowing red coming from front room blinds. Whole interior of the king cab was totally melted and destroyed, but engine, transmission, box and everything below wasn damage, as fire was put out by firefighters before entire truck was lost. My question is bcuz we took the whole front cab, box, front fenders off chassis and swapped with an '04 5.4L Lariet king cab, the truck will not start, no crank, just lights when put in and turned to try and start. When turn off key, dash lights stay on and there's a clicking noise under steering column like something is killing battery and does kill battery. Now...my husband thinks we need to replace motor, but I think it's just a possible reprogramming or replacing of PCM, ECM and TCM. 08 motor was starting to have issues but truck still ran and was our baby. It was starting to sputter and stall if come to a quick stop, vvt solenoids I believe needed to be replaced, but a mechanic told me it was cam phasers and timing belt, but all this ticking in motor usually is from oil pressure sensor, vvt solenoids and camshaft sensors failing no? I don't want to go broke paying for a dealership to tell me more lies.
A coat of paint will greatly limit the amount of go bad and corrosion that occurs. It really needs an insulated mount.
I isntalled a doorman 4 years ago. The original had failed causing bucking , terrible acceleration transmission feeling problems. 4 years later have had soem issues usually in cold weather where she doesn’t want to start. New battery a year later won’t start at 0 degrees. Started day prior at -10 So finally inspected the FPDM Dorman. And sure enough it is cracked and the rubber stand offs are half gone. So guessing it is this causing problems!! Shoukd have had a new one waiting for this day !
Some reports say the Dorman replacement only lasts a couple of years.
Hello. I have a 2004 Ford expedition 5.4L V8. My truck is burning excessive fuel. I have changed my fuel filter & EGR unit. But I am still going through fuel super quick.
Hi Brian , where is this FPDM located on a 2006 ford 500 ? We have a crank / no start issue., no fuel coming out of the main fuel line . I checked all fuses in and out of the car . Removed and cleaned throttle body too.It will start with starting fluid.Thanks for all the great videos.
great video we have 3 f150 good to know
You have very nice video's thanks for shares
just replace this on a 05 F-150. Amazing how many poor designs make it to the assembly line.
Another Not So Bright Idea from fomoco.
Bro you’re are beast thanks a lot 👍🏽
I have a question about something and can't find really anything on line at all . 2000 ford e250 4.2 v6 van problem is missing or losing coolant and found out the hoses that go to the pcv valve have coolant in them and so on guessing it's burning it idk but there's coolant in the hoses to it and there is like 3 I think it was that lead up to the back of the intake manifold . What is the problem why is it or has coolant in that thanks anything would help . Also has 300,000 miles on it
Thanks Brian 👍
I just did this on my 06 Ford Escape. The doorman kit comes with the module painted silver not raw aluminum. It also came with a multi choice fastener kit and rubber stand offs with metal screws going thru them. I got mine for 40$ off eBay. I hate doorman. But this kit was awesome. I also added some silicone glue around where the plastic top meets the module and snaps on. Just extra precaution against salt.
My gas gauge on my 08 F-150 keeps saying I have low fuel and the nettle is very inconsistent. What could this be and could there be an easy fix? I hear it is a common issue.