Thanks for sharing this information! It was actually reassuring that I'm on the right track! I offered an internship last year and had the intern start out as a third shooter just helping with a few things. She had no real camera experience but so much eagerness to learn and now is a very reliable second shooter.
Fantastic information. I've run into a few road blocks worrying that I would lose work or even the fear of not being able to shoot for some random disaster and not having a backup. I was in a teachable moment today showing others how to do stuff knowing I can't be everywhere and I'm not going to lose my job over it. Just understanding that sharing of knowledge brings work quality up rather than always feeling like you have to compete is such a game changer.
@@HowToFilmWeddings is your hourly rate only applied for when they’re actually shooting? Or do you include an hourly rate for their time traveling as well?
@@tenoheightfilms Yes the hourly rate only applies when they're actually working. If you want them to arrive at 1pm, the hourly rate starts at 1pm. If they have to drive three hours to get there, you're going to be paying them a little over $200 to cover mileage there and back. In order to get someone to agree to that, you're going to need to be paying enough of an hourly or day rate to make it worth it for them to do all that driving.
You're going to have a lot of trouble training 1st shooters if you follow this video's advice and only hire total beginners with no ego. If you want 1st shooters, you have to learn to treat your coworkers as equals and not just look for unthreatening teenagers. (no offense)
I’ve filmed 6 weddings as a second shooter and have nothing to show for it. The lead videographer prohibits me from having any footage. I have to hand my cards over at the end of the night. I can’t even review my footage. I’ve reached out to a couple other wedding filmmakers and they said this is pretty standard, yet all companies ask for a second shooters portfolio, they want sample footage. Moving over from the field of visual design I couldn’t imagine not being able to use my work in a portfolio. Is this really how the wedding film business works? How does a second shooter ever work up to better gigs without access to the footage they shoot?
Not every company works this way. Some allow you to use the footage. Speak to your lead about your concerns. A suggestion is to use a camera with dual card slots so you have a copy for yourself, if your lead allows you to use the footage for your second shooter portfolio.
@@AndresEPerez thanks yeah already asked the lead on 3 different occasions. He ignored my emails about it and when confronted he told me he could send me footage, but he never will. We shoot with two cards and always give both over at the end of the day. I asked if I could copy them to a drive before I hand them over and he said no. I’ve already moved on and will not second or third shoot for anyone that does not allow me to use portfolio footage. At least until I have accumulated enough high quality work to showcase that will allow me to get higher paid gigs. At that point I don’t care. I don’t want to start my own wedding film business and just want to do it on the side.
Sounds like you're skilled enough to provide quality footage! I'd say sod it and start out on your own! I'd offer to do a free wedding (3 max) You get to film the day with minimal stress, couple gets a video, bam, you got a portfolio! If you're good enough to second shoot, you're probably good enough to shoot on your own! :) Have some faith in yourself and your abilities! The wedding film business can work in a way that works for you, there don't have to be any hard rules when it comes to the creative process
John: I'd like some B-Roll of someone second shooting in this video.
Me: Say no more 06:52
Thanks for sharing this information! It was actually reassuring that I'm on the right track! I offered an internship last year and had the intern start out as a third shooter just helping with a few things. She had no real camera experience but so much eagerness to learn and now is a very reliable second shooter.
I literally JUST edited a wedding teaser to this background song. Also- this information is SUPER relevant. Thanks for the video!!
Fantastic information. I've run into a few road blocks worrying that I would lose work or even the fear of not being able to shoot for some random disaster and not having a backup. I was in a teachable moment today showing others how to do stuff knowing I can't be everywhere and I'm not going to lose my job over it. Just understanding that sharing of knowledge brings work quality up rather than always feeling like you have to compete is such a game changer.
It truly is!
Good to hear this information and would like to join but am in Ghana
i like to learn videographer
Yo I have that sweatshirt. So if I move to the Midwest we should just work together since we have such good sense of style.
Sounds like a plan 😂- it’s actually a t-shirt so maybe we aren’t exactly the same
Guys- teeechnically it’s a long sleeve, but at that point we’re just splitting fibers 😅
How do you structure your 2nd shooter
Pay? Let’s say local weddings vs travel weddings (3+ hours away)?
I pay an hourly rate, plus mileage. For something that is in driving distance. So like .50 a mile
@@HowToFilmWeddings is your hourly rate only applied for when they’re actually shooting? Or do you include an hourly rate for their time traveling as well?
@@tenoheightfilms Yes the hourly rate only applies when they're actually working. If you want them to arrive at 1pm, the hourly rate starts at 1pm. If they have to drive three hours to get there, you're going to be paying them a little over $200 to cover mileage there and back. In order to get someone to agree to that, you're going to need to be paying enough of an hourly or day rate to make it worth it for them to do all that driving.
Im in the North GA/ ATL area. GH5 if anyone needs a second shooter !!
If you're having a 3rd shooter or intern, do you need to let the couple know for vendor meals?
Our challenge is growing the company by finding and training 1st shooters.
Yep that’s an entirely different ballgame
You're going to have a lot of trouble training 1st shooters if you follow this video's advice and only hire total beginners with no ego. If you want 1st shooters, you have to learn to treat your coworkers as equals and not just look for unthreatening teenagers. (no offense)
I’ve filmed 6 weddings as a second shooter and have nothing to show for it. The lead videographer prohibits me from having any footage. I have to hand my cards over at the end of the night. I can’t even review my footage. I’ve reached out to a couple other wedding filmmakers and they said this is pretty standard, yet all companies ask for a second shooters portfolio, they want sample footage. Moving over from the field of visual design I couldn’t imagine not being able to use my work in a portfolio. Is this really how the wedding film business works? How does a second shooter ever work up to better gigs without access to the footage they shoot?
Not every company works this way. Some allow you to use the footage. Speak to your lead about your concerns. A suggestion is to use a camera with dual card slots so you have a copy for yourself, if your lead allows you to use the footage for your second shooter portfolio.
@@AndresEPerez thanks yeah already asked the lead on 3 different occasions. He ignored my emails about it and when confronted he told me he could send me footage, but he never will. We shoot with two cards and always give both over at the end of the day. I asked if I could copy them to a drive before I hand them over and he said no. I’ve already moved on and will not second or third shoot for anyone that does not allow me to use portfolio footage. At least until I have accumulated enough high quality work to showcase that will allow me to get higher paid gigs. At that point I don’t care. I don’t want to start my own wedding film business and just want to do it on the side.
@@pizzomedia7261 sorry to hear he won’t budge.
@@AndresEPerez thanks it was a learning experience.
Sounds like you're skilled enough to provide quality footage! I'd say sod it and start out on your own! I'd offer to do a free wedding (3 max)
You get to film the day with minimal stress, couple gets a video, bam, you got a portfolio!
If you're good enough to second shoot, you're probably good enough to shoot on your own! :) Have some faith in yourself and your abilities! The wedding film business can work in a way that works for you, there don't have to be any hard rules when it comes to the creative process