I WAS WRONG. TIME ZONE IS BROKEN. (NOT A JOKE)
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#DOTA2 #WAGA #facelessvoid #DOTA7.36 #FACET #fv
WAGA WAGAMAMA DOTA 2 WTF FUNNY NEW PATCH UPDATE CHANGES RANKED 10KMMR IMMORTAL PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT CARRY GUIDE ITEM BUILD MID CROWNFALLMIDDLE POS2 7.35d DOTA META HERO 7.36 UPDATE PATCH FACET 7.36 UPDATE PATCH INNATE faceless void fv time square - Ігри
Time Square is great because it asks the important question: What if void took even longer to come online?
Void not going to 1 team fight till lvl 25
still decent if you have other right click dmg or summons. not as initiator but for supporting role. area attack speed is good. might try jungle + timezone strat
like an anti-mage, but with better team fight
😂
So, is this the skill for offlane void? Like, old school vanguard or Vlads first?
Just for anyone is wondering, that dude went from 281 attack speed to 511 attack speed within Time Square. He has no attack speed item beside threads and he was dishing out that amount of DPS. Time Square attack speed buff is nuts.
Time Square is extremely good when you pair it with allies....either ranged allies, projectile spells, ect
one of the best i believe so far was a Lich ult with Infinite Bounces in Time square...its speed is just way WAY too fast.
Wait, it affects spell projectiles too? I thought it's only attack projectiles.
@@thechosenone3852 Void's innate affects only enemy attack projectiles, but Time Zone affects ALL projectiles.
Didnt even think about those interactions.
I appreciate the optimism, but chrono also combos really well with chain frost, so it’s not really a huge point to make
@@pacowallochenkenrickChrono is more of make sure you get hit combo, but for this skill, enemy can still get out of the way but with infinite bounce DPS, will increases significantly, more than using Chrono
Mars, Void, Ogre queued up to phonk walk in and ruin a high ground push by the enemy team.
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It increases cast speed dramatically, could be extremely good for heroes with slow cast animations. It might even accelerate stuff like how fast the Diabolic edict explosions happen.
damn that would be insane, i was waiting for him to do the sf combo too in this game but i guess they werent aware
@@-grumpygold1155 ahh yea. That would have been awesome
I have seen and done the instant combo with sand king
it's kind of an awesome team-oriented tool
but still need to get used to it, both on void and the rest of the team
I feel like Time Zone is actually better than chrono in the early/mid game because it allows void to deal lots of damage even without many items leading him to be able to actually reliably solokill enemy cores without needing to rely on allies to throw damage into chrono
Yeah till you get stunned and enemy has Euls
@@Juan-ml3um he's talking about early/mid game? and your point being? do you get bkb early/mid game because enemy has euls?? L take lmao
@@Juan-ml3um sorry I forgot that the patch made chrono give you debuff immunity or something so you clearly can't get stunned in it
it's a teamfight skill. it's not for solo kills. it buffs your whole team and debuffs the whole enemy team. chrono gets progressively better, because it's just a fuck you, you die button that scales exponentially with items, while this has a lot more counterplay, and the attack speed increase wont help your agility cores as much or at all as they hit the attack speed cap. so it's better for heroes that hit hard, but dont get a lot of attack speed naturally - tiny, slardar or get it temporarily through abilities or items like armlet and mom - ursa, pa, ck, wk, sven. heroes with multiple units that can benefit like meepo, illusion heroes, zoo heroes. the buffs this gives to void and team means you can have more impact with fewer items, enabling a support playstyle. this thing is also insane for pushing. strongest counter right now is probably centaur.
Now imagine using it on YOUR fountain
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
Damn, buffing the fountain is always the most fun. I never play chen but when I get it I live for the moment I'm about to lose and I can Penitence a confident enemy inside fountain before they realize taking 30 fury swipe stacks per second is a bad idea. Used to be the same with Abaddon but his AS buff got nerfed.
If you don’t need the complete disable from chrono the time zone should be better in every other situation
ok but isn't the complete disable like.. the whole reason chrono is good?
@@iamkrazy1it's also the exact reason chrono is bad and why void is so limited to only playing 1 role and playstyle... Now imagine... Pos 2 or 3 void being a lane bully and teamfight menace paired with supports like ogre and undying
@@iamkrazy1 It is, but it can disable your team as well. So if your comp is primarily melee you have to be very precise to not grief your team. The slow on lvl 3 is 70% and void is going to be bashing a lot so unless enemy team has Dark Seer, Weaver, Lycan or other heroes who can just haste out of it or self saves like OD or Puck, you don't need Chrono to make them basically useless.
@@levisamom5069 useless hero fight every 1 year and take farm from other cores and you're basically another support. it's sub optimal
the only scenario in which this makes sense is just playing him as a regular pos1 void with farm priority but square chrono instead of regular one
I think what most players failed to consider is that this also buffs your allies which makes it valuable if you play FV as non Pos 1 hero (Pos 3 maybe).
Ridiculously hillarious! I hope we get to see it in high-level competitive matches.
In fact this just shows how good classic chrono is tbh, when you gave the buff the alternative sooo much to compete with chrono 😂
You can see as he's beginning to believe throughout the span of the video
Yeah now that it pierces bkb, time square is a legitimate choice, but it requires you to draft around it to get its full potential. Its not going to be like chrono where every time you press it you are always doing something, but the payoff for good usage of time square is absurdly strong.
Also I may be low mmr shitter but offlane i think can still work vs a jump-based lineup. If they commit on your carry and you drop time square on them and your carry you can turn teamfights really hard
it requires you to build nullifier so they cant force staff.
@@Doflaminguard ulti beaten by forcestaff can apply to like half the game
@@jacobski4824 well the OG chrono cant be force staffed.
@@Doflaminguard well your teamates aren’t buffed by OG chrono. This argument is goofy. I can sit and point out all the ways time square is better and worse than chrono and all the outplay and not each has. There is obviously trade off between the two. I just think in some situations its viable to take time square.
@@Doflaminguard Force staff was changed to not work on leashed targets suck as Slark's pounce, Puck's dream coil, and FV's Time Zone. This is a non-issue.
What about harpoon on a NewYork void if you can get it early on to go with Gleipnir and keep them inside the death zone? Does it work with Death Ward?
now that chronosquare pierces bkb on enemies and buffs allies inside, chronosphere is kinda bad imo
its always buff allies lmao
The problem is that people often compare one with the other and always come to the conclusion "this one is shit" when actually it's often depending on situation ;).
Before this patch, I've proved for friends how great time zone was.
Chrono will never be bad, it's still one of the best ultimates in the game, and incredibly strong. Time zone is just different, and more situational
Time zone is great for teamwork and less stupid ass accidental friendly fire
But again
Selfish Void would never pick it
Why would it ever make Chronosphere bad? That literally makes zero sense considering they didnt touch the ability itself. If void was good last patch in a certain situation, then he would be good this patch with that same situation. Chronosquare and Chronosphere are just two different abilities that require two different ways to play it out.
ive been trying to find a pos 4 build with it, its still getting worked on but so far ive had a decent amount of success, rushing drums, mask of madness, boots of bearing, solar crest. just going all in on attack speed, and treating myself like a hoodwink. I dont have the same burst so i try to bait bad enemy fights with time walk or just use time dilation. So far my positioning has been the biggest factor between its success. I gotta hide like a mk, and make sure we can turn, or that my core wants to turn, otherwise im wasting it. I tried a diffusal blade build too like a riki support, the slow was insane for keeping them in the ult, but i still lacked attack speed till late game for solo bursting. Im still working on it, its been matchup dependent so far, no single, this is the greatest thing ever build yet.
I've had decent luck with time zone; granted its no chronosphere, but as 3 with vanguard -> atos -> aghs you can make a pretty standard amount of space for a 3. the trick for me is to realize it doesn't really help to get it on enemies unless you need the leash; its best to try to put it on midlaner/carry. pairs great with weaver, AA, etc that normally have atk spd issues. can also kill rs/towers really fast
i mean you not mentioning enough that the team can attack aswell in the zone so. + huge teamfight with the buffs
Eul's can allow you to negate all range damage delt inside the zone/shot from outside in, it's an effective ult against a majority range enemy. You self cast right at the last second of the zone ending, so if you're bad at chrono placement, going zone means any missed enemies will struggle to attack you from outside.
SamH was able to do a decent support void TI6 vs OG, why not now when he actually has an ult that can actually support hitter type heroes
faceless void broken ? what a surprise its been like that for more than 2-3 years
I've played so many lower mmr games where void was picked with 2 other melee cores and ruined the fights for our team with his chronos. I'd much prefer he had time zone back then, we'd win those games for sure
I'd like to see what time zone does for my mid brood, with the buffed spiders and 700dmg on brood herself, I can only imagine the DPS output
the ulti is good vs ranged carries the projectile slow make the attacks delay and you can accumulate them and just ghost scepter or euls it off at the end
time zone still has huge cooldown
6:11 rosh bout to be arrested for DA
I think it's meant for a tank void build, regen is very good when projectiles aer slowed, it might be time to whip out time zone void pos 3
The first thing I thought was, "is support FV viable now???" That's my real question.
It'd probably more viable to play him as an offlaner and treat the square as a means to buff your mid/carry... Maybe we'll see the Topson mid FV with this facet in the near future.
its awful because the heroes are not stunned, they can just use ghost septer/euls and avoid it entirely, hell even heaven helberd
Time Square with Lich & Visage/Beast Master is borked. I feel like you can make offlane work with the old vanguard radiance build. Disruptor is also the perfect combo, the timings line up and everything.
stacking flag bearers with tusk wall and use the time zone on enemy highground. see them rampant.
does it work with leoric skeletons or dirges totem or krobelus beauties?
time square is a good ability the problem is it's competing with chrono which is one of the best abilities in the game and the other facet which gives you 1 sec of damage immunity after timewalk
It can also be one of the worst abilities, when your void traps his whole team with his damn chrono. I hate playing a melee core with a void on my team
Let's not give chrono too much credit here... It is simultaneously the best and worst spell in the game... It's a spell with 2 extremes while time square is a more balanced and consistent spell
how to make setting that vision, i need that setting. my view so sucked close cause my monitor 1080x968
It is good when you play vs safe hero like Oracle or OD or any hero that makes Chrono initiation impossibble to do. Also good vs ranged hero like when you need to aim safe hero first but by that, their carry is free hit outside Chrono like Drow and Sniper. Timezone delays attack projectile
Does it work with WD ult?
waga the inventor! rrp was used by saberlight in the weu open quals now lets see time zone in use!
In high rank they play void as support with carry lina or TB then they hit barracks in range placing time square
i can see time zone in a 5stack. i wanna see how cm ult looks like inside time zone
Time square + hard hitting cores is crazy scary man
yeah, like tiny plus ogre supp, heroes will go mental
MK wukongs command
This is really good for offlane void.
I was able to come up with one scenario for RRP to be useful.
It is with ranged dmg dealer who is under attack.
Imagine, your sniper is getting fucked by bara or riki. AND YOU GOING BOOM! STAY AWAY FROM MY RANGED CARRY! NOW, GET THEM, OLD MAN!
"Time Square"
Been trying pos 4 void with time square. ITs literally better than getting chrono as a support as you will help your teamate gain movement speed and attack speed. 17:50
Time square makes support void possible xD
Now windranger can shoot at twice the maximum speed.
fountain dive is back
Ok Mordecai, let's see if this thumbnail can be trusted
Euls, Glimmer and drums are still useable inside. Also, enemies caught in the edge can just take 2 steps back. Not the case with chrono where you're caught anywhere inside. Void is definitely a more interesting hero to play, but they need to lower the cd, or increase duration, or something. Love to have one of my favorite heroes not be one trick ponies.
Where is my minimap reveal?
Time Square baby!!!!
Does time square void have pos 3 potential?
It's actually good if you combo it with summons like warlock golem or zombies.
max warlock void combo is very deadly
0:53 he doesn't know... NotLikeThis
Isn't the use of time zone is to allow other melee heroes to help dish out damages, something that you couldn't do with the normal chrono?
The biggest thing is that ur nit griefing. If u hit allies r something ur still good. It helps even.
Its actually better than old chrono cause your teammates get boosts and enemies become fodder
I have the same sentiment as waga on time zone's scaling, it's actually so bad lvl 1 but starting lvl 2 you can really see it starts to become strong
It's still way better to have Chrono AND a facet vs giving up your other facet AND Chrono just to try to make it to late game for a bunch of bonus attack speed.
Though I am surprised no one thought about the towers being used as traps.. my techies mindset going.. just use it on the pushes with a glyph.. and orge bloodlust for some meme worthy dota.
i think the guy who change the FV like JOJO reference
This for sure is good when void is very bad. Because he buffs his team. But a good void benefits more from the old one.
holy shit the last 2 tower will be a deadly machine gun
I love time square... Because now i get to play void not as a greedy solo carry... I can actually take him mid or offlane and have massive teamfight synergy with the team... Imagine a lineup with a melee carry, melee offlaner, and a melee pos 4 like ogre, brara or even better an undying... Time zone with tombstone is an illigal combo
Oh shit yea the zombies would be stacking the slow debuff crazy fast on people
Sniper in time square as your team mate
time zone + monkey ult
will the army atks faster too?
My assumption is they won't as the clones have fixed attack rate.
unfortunately that doesn't work. /m
no
At least make the walls like kinetic field. What’s the point of being leashed if you can walk out of the leash?
Maybe consider the slow... Hard to walk out of it when u have ur legs chopped off
6 creeps after 5 waves makes me rly wanna cry!
Really don't get the take that this is a bad facet, especially after it got turnrate slow. I played it as offlane with some right clickers like DK mid and TA safelane, you don't have to worry about the perfect opportunity, making sure you catch crystal maiden and farming bkb to not get countered. Unga bunga jump at the enemy, use slow to buy time for allies to arrive as needed. Just find someone and run at them SEA style. If your supports draft a healer and ideally a blinking core, insane value on your pick. Get shard and you can jump really far without blink and fish for better setups on the enemy as they defend without hard comitting into a chrono fight that has to be perfect. Just group up and deathball, it works. Don't fall into the trap of doing position one timezone.
It's usually because they only have an idea of how void has been traditionally played... Despite people hyping up chrono to be one of the best spells in the game it's also one of the worst
For as good as void is at his role it's also way too limited and rail roaded... Time zone is way better for all the time that void is played non traditionally... Like pos 2 or 3 playing more team oriented with team combos never before possible like zoo strat or melee rushdown comps
beautiful... Omniknight approved
watch warlock golem on timezone go brrrr
Timesquare + darkseer vacuum and wall?
Timesquare + elder titan?
Time square + undying tombstone
Time Zone destroyed an enemy Lifestealer in one of my games.
Time Square allows Void to be played in other Positions but Position 1.
Time Square is debatably inferior if used as Position 1 Void. As Chrono is still debatably the Superior Team Fighting Tool as Position 1 Void.
Its just crazy to think that the iconic chronosphere is gone
It's not gone it's just on the other facet /m
@@WagaGaming oh ok
Time square good when all enemy in it, but if there's ranged like sniper outside, bruh..😂😂 eul is a must for void after this update
the sniper attack projectile will slow down when entering the time square area
my problem with Time zone is just.... you can ran away with Disperser or when ur enemy support have boots of bearing
That yes but in that case you might just need to use it defensively.
enemy jumps you put a Time zone on it (or on your Ranged carry)
Suddenly the whole running away doesent realy help unless they also bunch bkbs on everybody or are just fine with sacrificing 1 or 2 heroes.
Yes its more Dependant on what the drafts are but if it works it can just be stronger then chrono (discounting ridicolously perfect situations)
@@LittleDanny9899 what do you mean bunch of BKB? BKB doesn't help you from Time Zone, it pierce through Immunity, I am talking as a Pos 1 Void, when you said put a Time Zone on my Ranged Carry that means I am not a pos 1 Void
Well for time zone like you sayed Boots of Bearing disperser windwaker etc allows you to get out
But if you wanna disengage a whole team it usualy should be possible to trow some other hard cc out (Void is unlikely to be the only one with cc)
Meaning unless pretty much the whole enemy team pops bkbs you should be able to catch out some that cant get away in time that was mostly what i meant
And yhea on a Pos 1 its probably not as good thats why if people talk about using it they often are looking at playing void in a Different position.
i do agree that if you go pos 1 you are very unlikely to want something to boost your team during a Teamfight over something that allows you to just dish your damage out but it was never statet that we are talking about a pos 1
@@LittleDanny9899 bro this whole video is about a pos 1 void with Time Zone... what do you mean , the first time I put that comment down I am talking as pos 1 Void with Time zone because the video is about a Pos 1 Time Zone void
@@jassonsatria7737 True there its my fault did not realise that (Have seen a bunch of videos and most of them are about trying him in different positions so got mixed up on what vid it is)
I dont realy rewatch the videos when someone replies
Doesn't centaur's ult just directly counter this?
lategame this with wd just became 10 times more insane.... IF it effects the attackspeed by the ward. gotta test :D
It would be cooler if the leash debuff actually meant people who were inside it when cast can't leave the area, that alone would make it a better spell imo, you can make the leash not go through BKB if it ends up too OP.
Also can be buffed by giving high debuff reduction in the zone so it can be used more defensively maybe, but then again the spell is pretty good as it is, just a lot different and more team oriented.
I havent played yet when do you chose facet?
during the picking face you can choose it
Until you load into the actual game at that point its locked in
Chrono is better for ranged allies who can attack outside the bubble.
Square is for melee
So void can be support now
time zone sucks because u can disperser or boots of bearing out of it in 1 second also boots of bearing gives speed to all allies so everyone gets out.
Until enemy team got centaur with stampede 😂😂
time zone with SF magic is OP.
I think it's better if enemies inside the square are leashed. It's really easy for some heroes to just use escape items/skills to get out.
Overall, it's still a good ability for support Void. Unlike Magnus' RRP....
if time zone slow down enemy just 10% it will be much easier to use and can compete with normal version imo.
Does time zone work with WR new ulti.
No, because whirlwind is a fixed number of attacks rather than increasing WR's attack speed directly. It would only increase her projectile speed and not much else
Better if the shape is hexagon, because hexagon are the bestagon.
i think if they reduce its cd by like 40% it would be playable
force staff has entered the chat.
Nope
It has good synergy with SF which is meta
Did this hero really need another OP ulti? He is already beyond broken with one well placed ult.
timesquare + helmdom creeps? 🤔
Time Square draft: Faceless Void Time Square / Mars arena / Enigma pos 4 / Chen pos 5 / Primal mid
it's good with zoo strategy.
the snow jungle creep that slows
imagine having a 130 second cooldown, for "Not Chrono", and enemy just has centaur and ults, and they just walk out of it, you go kill pa, she kills you inside the timezone, now you not only need bkb, you also need hp items to survive inside timezone, if you want combo, honestly chrono is better, they can't fucking move!
maybe against witch doctor it can be useful? or rubick that steals wd ult?
it doesn't even root you or keeps you inside the square XD LMFAO they can just walk out!!!
Does it works like Chen’s Penitence & Witch Doctor’s Death Ward combo?
Waiting for the answer, since I uninstall dota long ago
void pos 5 is coming to SEA