The Taurus 856 vs the S&W 642
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2022
- A comparison of the S&W 642 to the Taurus 856 CH.
Currently I’m still carrying the 856. The sixth round is the deciding factor. Come on S&W and Ruger! If Taurus can make a six shot, small frame revolver why can’t you?
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The 856 has been keeping My wife well armed for a while now . It’s definitely enough gun to defend oneself at close range. Great video as always
My first firearm I bought was a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. Then in the following month I got a Taurus 856 with a Matte Black finish. I'm still very much a new gun owner at only a year and a few months. Watching your videos definitely teaches me great lessons and also gives me another level of appreciation for my 856!. Thank you for the great videos!
Thank you!
Thanks Greg, always enjoy your videos 👍👍
Great presentation as usual Greg.
You answered all question.
Looking forward to your nex blog. ;-)
Thanks Les.
That 6th round,,world of difference.Plus the extra weight of the Taurus helps with recoil which helps with next shot target placement.By the way,after a year of searching I finally found the Taurus 942M revolver chambered in 22 magnum.I think that would make a decent conceal carry option.
Oh buddy I would love a "vintage" Taurus 22wmr
Yep - I say that 22 magnum would be!
That 942 magnum has stirred my interest too. Coupled with the new Federal Punch 22 ammo it could be a viable carry option.
Excellent vid and firearm comparison. Have used J frames many times over the years and do like them very much. Your points about each one makes you think and evaluate. If I carry a stubby, it will be either my Colt Cobra or Detective Special. The very slight size advantage and extra shot works for me. Keep the vids coming. Oh and by the way, great shooting!
Just wanted to thank u for the content u put out It's because of ur videos I went out and bought both Taurus's the 605 and 856. U have a blessed day.
I hope you get years of enjoyment and use out of both guns!
Spot on video Greg. Thanks.
One of my EDC‘s is an 856. I took it apart did some polishing and put a Wilson spring kit in it. Great gun and you can’t beat the price!
Hey Greg, I love my 856. The extra weight makes it a much better shooter for me. I never really got very good with my 642. The sixth rd is the reason I upgraded from my 85 to the 856. Keep up with the great videos!
That sixth round did it for me as well.
The 85 is a hell of a revolver. I owned one for 30 years. Never, ever had a problem with it. The 856 seems like a good gun too but many are reporting problems with it.
@@LA_Commander I agree on the 85. The 85 was rated as Plus P and was a good, solid design. Then when they first came out with the 856 Taurus was ambiguous on whether it was Plus P rated or not. Later they listed it as Plus P, but with the warning not to shoot it all the time. Now timing issues seem to be plaguing the 856. I've seen two videos on UA-cam and at least one on TaurusArmed.net.
@@LA_CommanderYes, that is my concern too. I like the 327 as well but I am a little bit spooked.
Great breakdown of each revolver. It would be hard for me to choose one over the other. I'm sure if I had them they would both be in my carry rotation.
i pocket carry my 642 everyday . I also have the 856 and carry that once in awhile .
The 642 has been a steady standby for several years now for pocket carry when I need deep concealment, or I am just working around the house.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: I was at the range today working with this gun. I hit two shots bullseye at ten yards then all of a sudden the cylinder quit rotating. The cylinder stop (part that engages the cylinder) wouldn't spring back and the cylinder began spinning freely. I've been seeing this same issue pop up in UA-cam videos and on forums. I've got the earlier version of the 856 and have not had this problem. The FFL I bought it from is going to send it back for me. Updates will follow.
Update 1 - I was changing the grips back to the original, so to send it off. New Taurus snubs have a roll pin you have to hammer out with a punch to put the original rubber grips back on. As I was doing this I noticed the cylinder wasn't spinning and was locking up. I put the old grips back on and hammered the roll pin back in. It was cycling fine. I took it outside and shot six rounds through it. It shot great.
So what happened? Was it the gun? My kitchen gunsmithing? Some hot ammo I'd shot several range trips before? I don't know. I'll continue to monitor it. I like this gun. It is as close to a model 10 snub with a round butt as you can get these days.
Greg I purchased a new 856 ultralight version about 2 years ago. Unfortunately it was defective right out of the box. Had the exact same issue that Gun Sam had (see his latest video) with his 856. Sent it back to Taurus and they said the cylinder lock need adjustment and they fired 12 rounds thru it ok. It's still doing the same thing as explained in Gun Sam's latest video. Just a slight amount of pressure on the trigger and the cylinder spins freely. It will function and I put about 50 rounds thru it and then after a close inspection could see that the hammer was putting a groove in the left side of the frame. It looks like when the hammer was made it was formed irregularly and has a small spur in the left side of it. The cylinder also has some front to back movement when closed which causes the cylinder gap to be almost nonexistent, not sure if that can cause a long term problem or not. The transfer bar also has lots of movement, sounds like a rattlesnake when you shake the gun. Don't mean to bash Taurus as I have several other Taurus guns that have been great. Maybe I just got a lemon. I wanted to use this as a EDC in a pocket holster as we have long hot muggy summers where I live. Think I will take it to my local gunsmith and get his take on it before sending back to Taurus again.
@@landsurveyor000 Thanks for your input. Cylinder issues have been reported on several forums and UA-cam channels. It has been elusive as to what exactly is causing these problems. As far as the transfer bar rattle, it sits free floating in it's place. It is based on the Ruger design which also has that rattle.
@@LionquestFitness sounds like y’all fellas need to stick with the ole reliable 642 it’s always on point.. not picking at ya just saying to each his own.. God bless America 🇺🇸..😎
I appreciate knowing this as it will save me the time and headaches of dealing with Taurus.
LOVE your videos, Greg! I have both. Sometimes I will belt carry the 856 while pocket carrying the 642. Always have a speed strip in a pocket. Have also had the 856 in my pocket while belt carrying my P365 XL. I never go out without a snubby!
They go with you where others don't.
I’ve been beyond impressed with my 856. I alternate it as my carry piece. Great gun! Highly recommend the Zeta6 speedloaders (did a review of them on my channel too).
Nice intro music! Good tempo.... great video as always!!! I may start putting videos out myself soon.hope there half as good as these.
It's a lot of work, but a lot of fun as well.
That was a really good comparison, you’re good at shooting those little stubby nose revolver
LOL - not as good as when I could afford to practice more - but thank you!
Both really fine shooters, it appears. This is a good video for folks considering the Taurus models.
Yep, people want self defense implements they can afford and are utilitarian. I love beautiful and well designed guns, but they don't always fit in people's budgets. LOL - mine included.
I have a 642 that was gifts to me by my wife. Shot a box of ammo every week for a decade. Finally, a spring that is integrated with the frame broke. Smith would not repair the gun or replace it. Makes a nice paperweight now. I now carry a Ruger sp101. Looking to get an 856.
I can’t remember meeting a revolver I didn’t like. 32 short top breaks even. Now you know I am not over compensating for anything. I have jokes .good videos!! keepem coming cool breeze.
Hey Greg! I do like the 6 shot's over the 5. I also like the Ruger LCR with 6 shot's of 327, my other pocket I carry a phaser on stun. Have a great weekend Greg.
You almost had me on the phaser thinking you were talking about a stun gun.
@@LionquestFitness Star Trek, Greg. 😁
Phaser on stun! Yes! I'm especially a fan of the original Star Trek series.
Great video, Greg. The music makes me think that the late, great Waylon Jennings should be narrating while you shoot. "If ol' Boss Hogg hears that Greg has been shootin' in his backyard again, Sheriff Roscoe's gonna be in hot pursuit." 😝 We need to start a go fund me for Lionquest Fitness. I want to see you shoot the Kimber K6S, a Chiappa Rhino, and an 8-shot S&W or Ruger Redhawk.
great vidio greg love them both nice revolvers think i would go with the 856 thank you enjoy the week
You do the same Les!
As far as a Snubby I do prefer an all steel frame, you are 100% right practice is huge when it comes to smaller firearms in general but more so for a revolver. However with that being said I firmly believe in practicing with whatever you intend to carry as often as possible there are so many benefits to consistent regular practice
Amen my Scottish American brother!
One more thing I enjoy about the Taurus 856 is that it takes model 10 HKS speed loaders
Another wonderful video. I practice weekly with my LCP Max and shoot it well Carry it everyday everywhere
However I still think I shoot Revolvers Better I’m thinking I’m going to try a SP-101
I have to agree with your assessment, spot on. I have had my Smith Airweight for some time. I also have a Ruger SP01. I added Hogue grips to the Ruger and it is a belt holster proposition for me, where the Smith can go in a pocket without yanking my shorts down. The Smith still gets summer duty for me in S. Tx due to the Africa heat. If I had the 856, sure, I would use it too. One more round? Yes please.
Come on Ruger and Smith!
Also I've said before the main reason I carry a semi auto isn't really the capacity more over thaj the actual bulk and density of the weapon more but either revolver or autoloader I'm well practiced and deadly to 25 yards for head or 50 for a body shot well aimed and I'm glad we are all able to be free and carry
I love to pocket carry daily in a DeSantis Superfly pocket holster I was lucky enough few years back to find a Smith & Wesson 342 air light TI titanium cylinder (discontinued) 11oz !!!
I installed full size rubber hogue monogrips on my 342 covers the back strap cushions by hand and gets all my fingers on the gun I could still easily fit it in my right front pocket in the pocket holster I can shoot accurately out to 45-50 ft with it
Great video. Thanks Greg. I kinda wish you had compared the 642 with the 856 Ultra-Lite for a better comparison. I own three Smith J-frames lite weights and two Taurus 856 ultra-lites. Never a problem with any of the five. The holster you have mentioned in a previous video. I bought one and love it for front pocket carry.
I've been watching out for an ultra-light 856. For the past couple of years, I've only heard good reports about them.
Awesome content !!😊😊👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks!
I have a 642 Airweight with the Hogue Monogrip on it and an 856 Ultralite, which has an aluminum frame. Imho the 642 was not fun to shoot with the factory grips on it. The 856 currently has the factory grips on it. I like that the 856 offers one more round in the cylinder and its weight, at just a couple ounces more than the 642.They're both good pistols, I like them both. Try an 856UL, I think you'll like it too.
I've been leery of the Taurus ultralight 856 but I may give one a try the next time I run across one.
I just got a snub nose revolver in the past year. I can’t believe how much I actually like shooting it.
Lot of fun isn't it? A side benefit is that it makes shooting a modern striker fired pistol a breeze.
great discussion Greg ! I carry the LCR, and have two, both with less than 500 rds each. My practice gun is an LCR 9mm with 5300 rds through it. It is definately worn out... I have to tighten the crane screw and the trigger guard screw after 50 rds, and the cylinder release screw every 25 rds ( no amount of red or blue Locktite makes any difference.) But it still works as a practice unit for my CCWs...IMHO, if you want to carry a 15oz gun, you need to have a seperate practice unit..
That's making the best of your tools Joe!
I have the 642, but I have gone to mostly LCR 357 and practice with my LCR 22. Lots of times I carry the LCR 22 because I like it and it has 8 shots.
I like the LCR 357 on my hip.
If I do carry in my jeans front pocket, I like my 642 the best.
I've been thinking about a Taurus and Greg, you've just about convinced me to try one out.
The good thing is, they're relatively budget friendly and they can resale quick.
Now darn it Greg! Watching your videos got me to buy the Taurus 605 so I could stop putting so much wear and tear on my S&W snubbies and now your getting me all worked up about the Taurus 856. I'm not made of money! LOL!
On a practical note, as much as I love my older S&W snubs, because of their value, I'm starting to become less inclined to carry them and go more more utilitarian.
@@LionquestFitness Exactly, I plan on giving my S&W snubbies to my sons as soon as they have homes and/or gun safes of their own. They are Seniors in college now so not quite yet.
Now I am questioning whether the RIA M206 or Taurus 856 has more quality/reliability issues.
The interesting thing is that I haven't heard of as many issues with the larger Tauri like the Trackers.
Just started carrying an old S&W Model 60. I added the T-grip to the round butt and it fits my hand well. After some range time, I feel very confident with it.
Good find!
I actually carry a Taurus 85UL a lot and it’s light weight and being stainless makes it a great option for the summer. I do like the SW 642 and it would be my carry if I had it. I truly believe in comfortable carry.
I also have the 856UL, it is an aluminum frame 16oz vs the 856 steel frame 22oz version. That said, I'm assuming many thousands of rounds through the 856UL and you'll be in the same predicament as Greg mentioned with the S&W being worn out. I love my GP & SP Rugers, but they are not CCW carry firearms and I can shoot the 856 as accurate and sometimes more accurate than the larger revolvers I have. I know right when the the trigger will break in double action with the 856. Summer carry is almost always a pocket .380 (Ruger LCP Max or Kahr CW380), but when the weather gets colder and I IWB carry, the 856UL, SIG P365 or Kahr CM9 are my main go to's with the 856UL actually the most comfortable.
Excellent video and shooting as always Greg.
@@boileruphammerdown5455 Hey, thanks for the tips. I have been shooting for 55 years, but the change in the laws now underway In Maryland make CC a new option that I am not well informed about. --Old Guy
Like a drink of cool water… thanks for another fun vid. Easy choice. Sold our 942 and replaced it with a 3” Kimber K6.
Good choice!
I like that the 856 gives you 6 rounds instead of 5 and I also like that the crane arm goes right into the frame,I just think that increases durability a little. Also, I like that the 856 is $200.00+ cheaper, I've seen J frames go for $500.00+ now, that's a little high for a J frame.
I'll pay $500 to $600 for an older Chief Special, but not for the current S&W line-up; although I did buy a used 640 a few years ago.
@@LionquestFitness Yeah. I have and carry a S&W M&P Bodyguard.38. I like that more than J frame, I had J Frames. My Bodyguard .38 was about $340.00 with tax, it was on sale, I got it in 2019.
@@LionquestFitness Greg, it seems 750-1,000+ dollars is what it takes to get the "good stuff" these days.
@@tylermorrison7051Hard for the average person.
Great review and good job bustin them rap scallions up!
On the 856 CH, can you swap out the front site on it?
Thanks and keep up the good work! Long live the 2A!
You can. They've had a lower sight on the Taurus website and I've been waiting for it to appear again.
Finally showing the 856 for pocket carriers against a 642. I was actually torn between the 856 and charter off duty. I own some current production charters and love em. The charter is around 12 ounces and also hammerless. Sometimes I have to wear tighter pockets when I go walking with my fiancee. I want something that won't print and I worry the 856 will.
I like hearing a good report on Charter. I haven't owned one in decades and would like to get one again.
I can't decide between 856 and Charter Police Undercover. Both are 6 shot and about same weight, Taurus looks like it has slightly better finish but Charter is made in US.
Taasch, I own the 2 tone Off Duty. Matte stainless and black aluminum. Put a Hogue grip on it. Great shooter. Super light.
I think the current six shot 856 has more in common with the old Colt's "Detective Special" than the S&W which makes it superior to my way thinking.
Your test confirmed my experience with these two brands. I will say that I collect S & W revolvers from the 1970's, so I have a passion for them (K frame makes my heart thump). I also own several Taurus revolvers and they are as accurate or better than Smith. An extra round, more accurate and a less expensive revolver. I think we have a winner here....
S&W revolvers aren't what they used to be, so like you I collect older models. The current productions cost much more and the QC isn't always consistent. They've also moved away from basic designs and are more into what I'd call "designer" guns.
I agree totally about the K frames! I had been carrying my mid 70s Joe Friday, (model 10 snubby) but have grown too fond of that gun to risk losing it if I ever had to use it. Switched to the 856 (mostly on Greg's recommendations and experience with it!) And love it. I've enjoyed shooting it, I'm comfortable and confident with it, and I can easily replace it should the need arise.
@@bryanboard65 Hi Bryan!
Hey Greg, excellent video, as always. And, as always, it prompted me to think...and weigh. All the guns I weighed have proper wooden grips. All were weighed unloaded. the first 3 are aluminum framed. The last 3 are steel framed. Charter Arms Undercover 12.9 ounces, Smith and Wesson 442 13.9 ounces, Taurus 856 Ultra-Lite 16.2 ounces, Charter Arms Police Undercover (stainless steel) 20.1 ounces, Rock Island Armory m 206 23.8 ounces, and Smith and Wesson M & P pre-model 10 snub nose 28 ounces. The wood grips on the 442 are a little more comfortable (to me, anyway) than the Charter Arms Undercover, but in every other category, I think the Charter is vastly superior. The 856 UL is at least as good as the 442, and superior in some ways. The Police Undercover and m-206 are both excellent, both superior to the 442, and I like them both equally. I think the Police Undercover seems to be higher quality, but the m 206 is not lacking in any respect. The M&P isn't a in my carry rotation, being too valuable a piece of history, but it is excellent as far as quality. I haven't fired my Police Undercover yet: doctor's orders, as I'm (hopefully) recovering from a fall which broke my neck (a second time). So if you run out of things to pray for, ...
As to 6 rds. vs 5, I don't know that that'd make much difference. The only time I ever needed to display a weapon an entire gang of young tough guys suddenly remembered a previous engagement elsewhere when they saw the .38 revolver in my hand. It was a 6 shot, but as I recall, there were more than 6 of them. judging by how quickly they left, that meeting must've been very important, and they were running very late. This was over 30 years ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were still hurrying to try to get there in time.
I'm one of the guys S & W told to go pound sand when my 442 wore out, so i might be a bit prejudiced.
Sorry to hear about your fall Matthew. When it comes to firearms experience is the best teacher. Taurus and Charter have come a long away in developing performable and utilitarian revolvers that are affordable. The cost of a new Smith revolver can be prohibitive and quality control is not always there.
Good shooting partner. 638 Bodyguard for me.
Good to hear from you!
I carried a 642 for many years in a trouser pocket when the situation didn't allow for anything larger, or as a backup to a larger gun. It was fine, but I also tried an old Colt Cobra with a bobbed hammer in the same role and found that although it was a bit bigger, and slightly heavier, it worked just as well, gave me a better sight picture, and the sixth shot. For a long time there was no really affordable and reliable six shot pocket revolver available unless you wanted to pay Colt collector prices.
I'm happy to see the many variants of the Taurus 856 revolver. I have held off on buying one until now, because I have been waiting to see what kind of reliability record the new revolver would have, but the gun has been out for a while now and people speak highly of it. So I'll probably try one. I think S&W is missing a good bet by not offering a six shot revolver in a compact size similar to the 856.
Greg, I like the fact that you did most of your shooting on what appear to be sheets of 8.5 X 11 inch copier paper. These simple sheets of paper are almost a perfect representation of the anatomical area on a human body that one needs to hit with a handgun to be effective. And seeing the hits after the fact is so much more valuable to me that watching someone shoot at a large steel target where I can't see what they hit. Sometimes, simpler is better. Keep up the good work.
Tom, I appreciate your well thought out comment. I like the idea of that old Colt Cobra. And, as you've noticed, clanging steel can be deceptive. Part of the reason I do these videos is to challenge myself in my own practice, and I want to see where I am hitting the target. As far as the 856 I've two that work fine.
I reported a problem with the cylinder rotating freely with one, but in hindsight I had put square butt grips on the gun, was shooting it with my pinky resting underneath the butt and I was depressing the trigger at the end instead of the curve. I believe this is what crimped the plunger spring and caused the cylinder stop to not engage. So I put it down to operator error.
Thank you again.
Love your videos and also your respect for Taurus which enjoy too. Have you don’t a judge or public defender video? Love to hear your take on it.
No I haven't. I've never shot one. If I ever got my hands on one it would make an interesting video.
Thanks for another enjoyable vid. I have 2 ultralight 856s, slightly different than than the one you used but, for all intents and purposes the same gun. One w/concealed hammer one w/o. I really like, and trust both of them.
Just thought I'd stop by the comments and add a couple of things that you maybe didn't hit upon (hope thats not too offsides of me) for anyone out there that may be thinking of picking up one of these revolvers.
In big picture the S&W is a higher quality revolver and will probably hold up longer but, the Taurus does beat or nearly equal the S&W in a few spots.
One, the UL version of the 856 weighs 15.9oz which isnt too much more than the 642 which clocks in at 14.6oz.
Two, The trigger on the Taurus will get a lot better with use. I just put some snap caps in mine and pulled the trigger while watching TV or whatever for a few hours and they've gotten so much better, they really impress anyone I let try'em. Now a smooth easy pull and also really easy to stage, I think the triggers in mine are now on par with or better than the smith.
And finally, there's 2 places the Taurus beats the S&W w/o argument, it holds one more round and it's about $200 cheaper.
And no I don't work for Taurus, I just really like mine. Just thought I'd share for anyone out there on a budget looking for a good carry wheel gun.
Keep up with the great vids!
Thanks for your input Rudy!
rudy. i watched on a video, with a strong trigger pull, pull the hammer all the way back(make sure the gun is UN loaded) and let it sit in the safe or closet for a day or two. supposed to ease the pull some what.
@@davidbreen4727 Theres one from the "now why didn't I think of that before I went through all the trouble" files.
I'm searching for Taurus' new .327 federal magnum, which uses the same design as their 856. When I can finally find one to buy, I think I'll give that a try.
Thanks a lot for the suggestion!
Darn scallawags…great shooting man! Can’t go wrong with either revolver!
I just picked up a 19 carry comb to fight off those nasty hooligans.
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I think both are a great guns and makes a Good carry Guns thanks for the video my friend i enjoyed it
Hi Al - enjoy your Sunday!
What Ammo did you shoot in the 856 I just got one and love how light the gun is with regular 38 cal ammo. I need to get used to the gun but suspect it will be a little snappy
Probably Georgia arms 158 grain, copper coated semi wad-cutter. That's my usual practice and demonstration round.
I have a question regarding the "Simply Rugged Holster" you showed in a earlier video. Is the body side of the holster flat, or is it shaped to the contour of the firearm? I've found that a holster that isn't flat is usually painful to wear. Thanks, Like your video's
It's fitted to the gun, but soft as compared to Azula holsters which require some break in. I was wearing mine today.
I owned both and carried the Taurus as much or more than the 642. I still question the durability of the 642 considering it's aluminum case and it's reporting that the mechanisms internally can snap off. So I don't fire or even dry fire it much. Just ordered another 856 in 3" for concealed carry. I think rotating their use and carry will lessen the burden on the other, so I'm happy to do that.
Sounds like a good plan.
I wonder how well the Scandium frames from S&W hold up compared to the regular aluminum or steel frames. As far as the regular aluminum frames on S&W 642/442, how many rounds is considered the service life?
Those are both good questions I don't know the answer to. Can anyone else chime in?
I held an 856 the other day and it felt really nice. Had custom grips and some other custom work done to it. Kinda cheap looking but not bad for a budget gun.
It is kind of like the mutt dog you get at the pound. They grow on you.
👍 nice shooting. Really like revolvers but mostly carry small semi-auto - works for me. Safe Practice is so important and it’s fun. Any thoughts on dry fire practice for those that don’t have regular access to a range? Have you ever given any OB the laser trainers a try?
Good questions. I've touched on dry fire a time or two. Maybe time to do it again. I used to have the SRT trainers for use with a training simulator (shoot/don't shoot) for my law enforcement classes. I found them finicky and not very durable. I'm sure they're better options available out there though.
Greg! Great video. Do you notice a difference in accuracy between both of these. I want one, but I’d like the more accurate revolver - although only 2 inches of a barrel. I like the price on the 856 UL because 642 is a little higher in price.
Any differences in accuracy. That’s my main concern. Eliminating shooter error. Since you have both, you can be a good judge for me.
For me, because of the extra weight of an all steel revolver, I'm more accurate with the 856.
Does Smith and Wesson make a 6 round, two inch, 22 ounce .38 Special? I'll take that one. Lol. Thanks for the video.
I have pocket carried a J frame 642 since 2010. If my shoulder replacement is successful I hope to carry my model 64 factory hammerless snubby.
Good gun to have, the snub 64.
Have you had trouble with the 856CH frame screw backing out during shooting, Greg? I know that's an issue many people have run into, including me.
This one not yet and I've run some hot ammo through it. My other one yes, and I put loctite on the cylinder screw.
I don’t own either of these, but between the 2 snubbies I own - The S&W 442 and the Ruger SP 101 , I prefer the all steel SP 101
All steel goes a long way for shots on target.
My first pistol was a 642. Still carry it alot. Id recommend getting the trigger kit to lighten it up a bit. Also grab a few different boxes of ammo. Mine likes hornady critical defense the best and Winchester fmj the bulk stuff for practice.
The 642 goes places others can't.
Nice shootin Lefty, extra weight in the Taurus mebee heps with accuracy?
Thanks again for the content, Yes carry compliance
I believe it makes a difference Christopher. Not so much within ten yards, but anything past that.
@@LionquestFitness thank you for your response, thanks for the content and YES PEOPLE MUST HAVE CARRY COMPLIANCE
Great comparison Greg and some really good shooting as always. I've had three 856's in my hand so far this summer and have just not been able to commit to the purchase. I don't know exactly why. I keep going back and forth between the 2 and 3 inch and then there is the .357 argument going on in my head. I just keep carrying the .327 and the GX4 alternately, depending on clothing and activity, and I'll make up my mind eventually. Thanks for another fantastic video!
Thanks Marc!
Marc Taurus makes a model 327, chambered for 327 FM.
@@la_old_salt2241 Yes Sir! I've been watching for one. I do have the older model, but I'd love a newer model especially if I could get one with a 3 inch barrel. Thanks!
I am have the same issue i have been thinging to much about it, heres an idea, get the 605 2in carrythe first 3 rounds in38 and the last 2 in 357.
You mentioned with the 642 that they can wear out after a lot of use. Have you had any issues with yours and if you had to guess, about how many rounds have you put through the Smith?
Other than the clearcoat finish wearing off I've had no problems. I picked mine up LNIB over four years ago. I've probably shot in excess of 600 rounds through it. Hard to guestimate though since I rotate my snubs around for practice.
When I move the unloaded gun (Taurus 856CH) in my hand (to the sides, forward and backwards etc.), there can a clicking sound be heard from the inside somewhere (sounds like a piece of metal running into a piece of metal). I tried to holt the hammer, the cylinder, the cylinder release etc. ... I also tried pressing the trigger and holding it ... but no change - it definitely moves inside of the gun. Is that normal? I don't have experience with revolvers. I consider sending it back to the factory even though it shoots well ...
It is nothing to be concerned about. Taurus uses a similar transfer bar system as Ruger and it sits loose in the housing. Try a drop or two of oil on the transfer bar and cycle the action a few times.
@@LionquestFitness Thanks, I'll try that! :)
Greg I own both the 856 and the 642. I just got my 642 back from s&w, they fixed the canted barrel. What I really want to bring up the subject of capacity. If you're facing multiple unarmed assailants in most if not all cases none of them are wanting to find who will get shot. If they are armed how does someone defeat 5 or 6 assailants with 15 or more shots, especially if you're not where you should be, behind cover.
Good point.
Great video my friend. I carry a Model 36 everyday as a (bug) i also like the ole 605 for pocket carry 🇺🇸
Can't beat an ole Chief Special.
Pros and cons with both. I will opt for the Smith. Just me. Not talking against the Taurus.
I concur.
The 642 is a better designed gun for the purpose it serves and the quality is excellent if the inspectors are doing their job at S&W and not letting flaws slip through.
thanks for sharing
Another fantastic video, Greg! Unfortunately, gun shops are not permitted to sell Taurus revolvers in The People's Republik of Massachusetts; however, just this past week, I bought my first revolver -- a S&W 351PD (11 ounces, 7-shot, 22 magnum). Today, I placed an order with Mika Pocket Holsters for my first holster (largely based on your good experience using them). Thanks for all your work. I always enjoy the content that you produce!
What's the "reasoning" for not allowing Taurus to be sold in The People's Republic of Mass?
That 351 PD sounds like a good choice for concealed carry!
642 is my gym clothes gun. Easy to carry in appendix using Harry's icon holster.
That back is looking fantastic Josh.
Hey Greg, nice review! I used to own only the 642 and like you say, it is a handy little "Always" gun...Later I owned a Shield 9 and a Ruger SP 101, and still, it was the the 642 that I choose to carry 98% of the time. I consider it the serious-dedicated ccw holders gun...That said, I now own the Ultra light version of the Taurus 856 CH...and that little guy comes in at only 16 oz! Just 1.6oz. more than my 642....I love that it's cheap, expendable, and well made...Good Job Taurus! When you look at new Taurus' compared to old Taurus products...the difference is night and day the quality is consistent and Taurus stands behind their products 100%. I have never had issues with either my 605 (which I used to abuse with 357magnum loads) or this 856. No doubt, this thing comes squared away right out of the box...but I am currently doing some upgrades with parts for it, like some new viridian laser grips and a new front sight night sight from Ameriglo coming in to swap out that plastic front sight...when all that gets done it will be my new Always CCW! I'm just more accurate and faster with it then I ever was with the Smith n Wesson 642...and having the extra bullet is a bonus! just M2C..
Like you, I consider the 642 a gun for the proficient and practiced. Good input that might help someone else.
One other thing. The 856 UL has a greater mass in the hand compared to the 642. Do you think this could make for greater control of the gun?
@@LionquestFitness Good observation. Ya know, I've found that the 1.6 oz difference + the extra 6th round may give a slight advantage towards the Taurus' recoil impulse? But I'm positive that for me...what does give the Taurus an advantage is the slightly longer length of the grip frame with the Wood Grips (those same beautiful Thai grips you have on yours) I installed. One day I took both of these revolvers out to the desert specifically to train and compare the two (here in California ranges suck and city ordinances prevent private shooting at home...sucks!). At any rate, The ergos on the 856 just fit my hand like a glove, and it was like, "Recoil? What recoil?" with my the 856 UL...With my 642? There was definitely more recoil impulse. But where the rubber meets the road: The Speed , Accuracy, and Distance (out to 15 yards even with a little wind!) was better for me with my 856...hands down. I mean every measurable sequence of the draw and shoot drills I was performing was superior with the Taurus: 1. Groupings, 2. Speed of Draw 3. Reloads with the Taurus. So as you can probably guess, my confidence and endorsement of this revolver is way up there...It's to the point where I think I might be storing the little 642 for good man or maybe just put it in a tackle box or something for situational back up...and that's saying something because I ain't terrible with that 642 5 yards and in and I've had IT mostly on me for the past 3 years...[Seriously, for anybody reading this out there who's on the fence about the two revolvers...I'd say advantage Taurus! With that killer warranty they have, aftermarket support for this popular model? You can buy with confidence (in fact at those prices buy two just in case, heaven forbid, one of them ends up in a police evidence locker...save your Colt King Cobra or Kimber K6 for the BBQ's, wear this 856 everyday as a reliable self defense expendable tool). So plopping down $299-$399 bucks for this HIGH VALUE gun I say is money WELL SPENT!]
I picked up a LNIB 442 Pro yesterday and went straight to the range. After 100 + rounds of standard pressure & +P I found it the best J Frame I’ve ever shot. My current EDC is a 340PD but the 442 may replace it.
Great report on this snub.
@@LionquestFitness Thx Greg, it’s good to watch another south paw shoot a J Frame size gun. You’re a hell-of-a good shot.
@@oldcop18 Thanks. I'm no Hickock45 but I work at being proficient.
Ive got the airweight SW it is jumpy, love the carry ability
I have an 856 UL and love it, but the problems Gun Sam has had with his 856 are disconcerting. I'm reluctant to trust it for carry.. I recently bought a 1986 Charter Arms 357 magnum. 2.5 inch barrel, beautiful bluing. I put some rosewood altamont grips on it. I've also got a Taurus 692 3 inch that I have yet to fire.
Sam had trouble with his right out of the box. If you're not having problems with yours I wouldn't worry about it.
Hey Greg, What are thoughts on Clint Smith saying "a 5 shot Chief's special is the worst gun in the world to defend your life with"?
I don't know - Clint Smith says a lot of things, but as far as I'm concerned he can say anything he darn well pleases. He's earned it.
38 SPECIAL BUFFALO WADCUTTERS IN MY TAURUS 856. Good SHOOTING GREAT VIDEO 👍👍
@Lionquest Fitneas Greg as far as not holding up, are you referring to all snib noses or just the 642?
The 642 or any other aluminum framed guns S&W makes. They last longer than the originals like the Model 12 made for the Air Force during Vietnam, but they still have a rep for a limited life span.
@@LionquestFitness thank you
Greg, good point about 6 vs. 5 round revolver carry. On my trip around the Mountain West/Northwest took the trusty Colt Detective Special. After doing some shooting at a range while traveling with a S&W PD and Model 60 rentals, decided that maybe the old Colt with 6 rounds & modern .38 Special ammo works better for me than I thought. Taking it to the range this week confirmed that for the intended purpose of basic self defense it is still a very good 3-7 yd option with 10 yds doable and of course works in the "get off me" situation as well. The steel frame helps with accuracy though I still like the flexibility the .357 Ruger LCR provides with stronger loads and lighter weight.
As you often point out, find what works for you and what your intended purpose is when considering your carry or home defense, etc. Also, sometimes you have to travel in states with existing or new mag limit laws, pretty much not an issue for revolvers. Still need to make sure you are compliant in every way when traveling even "just bringing them along" for protection for wherever you go. Yes and there are some places you cannot even bring them when traveling through if I remember right (NY comes to mind). Thanks as always Greg!
Good observations Robert.
@@LionquestFitness Thanks sir. I will try to tone down my rambling posts. Hope all is well for you and your family.
@@redesert_boy8202 Keep writing Robert. People's experiences are valuable learning tools.
I have both of these (though my 642 is not the Airweight) and I prefer the 856. Not hating on the 642, but the 856 is a better carry for me; the extra round does make a difference, and the Taurus just shoots better for me. Both had trigger/spring upgrades, so the S&W still has a better trigger, but the Taurus trigger is good enough. I liked the stock 856 grips over the stock 642 grips, but I upgraded to a set of laser grips for the Taurus, anyway. Good vid.
Thanks Bob.
They are 2 out of my 3 CCW, that's all we are allowed to carry. So nice too carry
I take it you're in the commie state of California.
@@LionquestFitness unfortunately
@@royseleech3524 Many of us in better gun rights states feel for you.
Physics is Physics and I can say that newer shooters/females are considerably better w a 20-22 ounce snub (or 9mm semi) than a lighter jframe that is often wrongly recommended
Very true.
Do you know what it is on the S&W 642 that dont hold up? I guess the internal parts wore out?
I was told decades ago by an FFL that the Smith airweights don't hold up to heavy use. I've had a couple of people recently tell me theirs died about seven years out and S&W refused to repair them.
@@LionquestFitness yes but my question was what exactly got broke. The Frame itself inner parts. Was it reparable?
@@Gieszkanne I don't know,; only that S&W refused to repair them.
local shop has the 56 in a 3 in barrel,need to go look on this one, I have shot my cylinders loose on my Smith 357s
Were you flipping your cylinder shut with the S&W's?
Hey Greg, as always, thanks for a useful video. After the recent Supreme Court decision to actually follow the Bill of Rights, I might be able to CC here in the People's Republic of Maryland. Your videos were always entertaining and now they will affect choices I shall make. Oh, my Mod. 38 Airweight Bodyguard is also pretty light and snappy, like your 642, but it is also very concealable. Anyway, thanks again! --Old Guy
Thanks Ed and good luck.
I carry the Taurus 856. I'm partial to the extra weight and the 6th round.
I carry the smith and Wesson. I paid $350 new. Great video thank you very much.
Good deal on the 642.
Great video thanks! I subscribed. I have owned both of the weapons you reviewed. My thoughts are this since I am not a reloader The 38 special ammo prices before and after Covid are ridiculous. I have moved on to other calibers in revolvers. Since you don’t have issues with Taurus can I recommend a hidden gem that I have discovered.. the Taurus m380. 5 shot 380 revolver that weighs in at 14 oz unloaded. The ammo is more reasonable and the recoil to me feels like about 50% of a 642 with standard ammo in it. Check them out seriously, I really like mine and it’s a pocket gun thats enjoyable to shoot.
Thanks Arthur. I'll keep my eye out for one.
@@LionquestFitness Charter Arms has a 6 shot 380 acp revolver also, 3inch barrel.
You should pick up or borrow an SIG P365, and compare it to the 856 (or both that and the Smith) as far as carriability and shootability. That would make for an interesting video
I'll keep that in mind.
Please share some wisdom if possible. I purchased a used Taurus Model 85 CH (concealed hammer) manufactured in 1991. Very nice blueing, trigger is broken in, wood grips. I figured it was good for pocket carry. Happy with how it fits that role. I am getting light primer strikes after the gun is good and warm after 25 rounds while training. Changed the main spring and trigger spring (it is over 30 years old) and no real difference. Went with Galloway Precision springs. Still light primer strikes after 25+ rounds. Obviously not going to get in a 25 round gunfight with a snub nose but not a good feeling on reliability. Ever heard of this or experienced that? I have cleaned and lubed it good, but have not removed the frame mounted firing pin to clean that.
Your best bet would be to take it to a gunsmith who works with revolvers. You've done everything I would have tried to replace. Also, you could search out Taurusarmed.net for anyone with similar issues.
Do you prefer the 856 or the 605? I have a few Taurus revolvers I use in my everyday carry and was curious on what other Taurus owners think.
I prefer the 605. It is thinner and the cylinder is beefier. I can shoot 38 Plus P all day and not have to worry about the lifespan of the gun. However, in the changing world we are living I think six rounds is more assuring than five. If things become as dire as some are predicting, I'll be carrying a Glock 19 or a S&W 915 more often.
@@LionquestFitness I totally agree 👍👍
Boa noite aqui do Brasil, duas armas muito boas, muitos brasileiros menosprezam a taurus ,o que é algo ruim, é muito bom ver um homem americano dizendo como são bons os revólveres taurus e ainda que utilizam no porte diário. Também sou fã de revólveres, agradeço a você pelo trabalho espetacular em seus vídeos, sempre muito honesto. 👏👏👏👏👏👏🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Obrigado!
Senhor, os únicos americanos que estão surpresos com a qualidade e inovação dos Revólveres Taurus são proprietários de seus produtos pela primeira vez... Claro que todos os americanos amam nossos Colts, Kimbers e Smith & Wessons... esteve aqui ultimamente nos Estados Unidos desde que Biden se tornou presidente, produtos Taurus, especialmente seus revólveres. voam das prateleiras porque eles são comprovadamente bem feitos, acessíveis e vêm com aquela fantástica garantia Taurus!....A Taurus fez tudo certo adquirindo os ativos e projetos da Beretta e antes dessa parceria e empréstimo de projetos e técnicas de fabricação da Smith n Wessons, há muito tempo....Conhecemos a história desta empresa de busca intransigente pela excelência.... Portanto, tenha muito orgulho das "Taurus Armas" de seu país, porque nós, americanos, temos orgulho de possuí-las e confiar nossas vidas a elas todos os dias nas ruas de L.A., Kansas City, Baltimore, Houston, Phoenix, St. Louis, e Las Vegas... e nas estradas secundárias e bayous de Lousiana, Alabama, Texas e La Florida... você entendeu?
@@gilbertoesquivel9668 obrigado pela atenção, suas palavras me orgulharam mais ainda, Deus abençoe Brasil e Deus abençoe a América
I own a 642 and a Taurus 3" 856 Defender UltraLite, unless I'm in basketball shorts the Taurus is with me either on my side or in a pocket holster. The Taurus comes with a set of boot grips in the box, almost twins of the 642 and I use them. The Taurus came with a Tritium Night Sight and the trigger feels almost the same between the two. I find the extra inch of barrel helps with balance and accuracy, bullet performance is improved also. So between the two I choose the Taurus with the extra shot and a lifetime warranty. In the last 3 months I have over 800 rounds thru the Taurus so far and even with the alloy frame it still has a tighter lock up than my 642, at full cock there is no perceivable movement in the cylinder. I just love the Taurus and at $200 less than a J Frame Smith it has to be the deal of the century.
I'd go with that!
Pocket carry, five shot aluminum frame. Inside the waistband, six shot all steel. Works for me.
What's the best gun to have on you when you're in a gun fight?.... The one you have on you RIGHT NOW. My always gun has been the 642 for the last 10 years. But as an avid daily runner, I will scale all the way down to my NAA 22 mag mini revolver because of its light weight and extreme deep concealment. What you've got is what you've got... just make dang sure you've GOT something.
Amen
My wife finally took her 642 out done better with it than I did with my g2c we still have the 856all 3 are really good guns my g2c had one hiccup my fault besides that ran great
Good going. Any day I can get my wife out to the range is a good day.
I like the look of the Taurus small frame revolvers more than the smiths. Weird, I know.
Not really. I prefer the shrouded ejector.
How do you know they were scalawags and not miscreants, ne'er do wells, or malefactors?
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